Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #38 12/18/10 - 12/24/10

[no rose colored glasses]

with him. Then my daughter looked up his address on google and saw that he has a kiddie pool in his backyard. We will be calling LE first thing on Monday. You have to inform your children and be as diligent as you can without making them neurotic messes. It is a very hard balancing act.

You are so right, you sure don't want to make neurotic messes out of the kids, but at the same time you have to inform your kids and make them aware of things, that frankly nobody really wants to talk about 

[sebastian]

I have a gut feeling that someone, somewhere is feeling a lot of pressure right now. The blogs are getting super nasty. Especially on facebook. Here is one of many

Brandy Carey I think it's great that Terri has such fine and upstanding people to support her in her time of need.Hopefully when Terri is arrested and this goes to trial,all of the supporters will show up as character witnesses.I mean,wouldn't you just love to have a stripper,bondage queen,someone that admitted to masturbating as a... neighbor's house burned and masturbating at her Pap's funeral,and not to mention the psycho blog writer that has a criminal record for harassment and who knows what,as a supporter?After all, we are known for the company we keep,birds of a feather,yada,yada,yada.Yes ,Terri must be so proud to have such people as friends and supporters

[sebastian]

I have a gut feeling that someone, somewhere is feeling a lot of pressure right now. The blogs are getting super nasty. Especially on facebook. Here is one of many

Brandy Carey I think it's great that Terri has such fine and upstanding people to support her in her time of need.Hopefully when Terri is arrested and this goes to trial,all of the supporters will show up as character witnesses.I mean,wouldn't you just love to have a stripper,bondage queen,someone that admitted to masturbating as a... neighbor's house burned and masturbating at her Pap's funeral,and not to mention the psycho blog writer that has a criminal record for harassment and who knows what,as a supporter?After all, we are known for the company we keep,birds of a feather,yada,yada,yada.Yes ,Terri must be so proud to have such people as friends and supporters

I really am starting to believe that there are those for and against Terri that personally know one another.

[Kat_Gram]

islandmonkey
 am of the opinion if it's an SO perp, than they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity, but have never been caught. IIRC some statistics show an offender will molest ~150-200 times before they are caught

that's what i meant, just didnt say it as concise as you
thanks

LOL~I am rarely consise but good to know someone thinks I am. That has always bothered me since I know too many SO's aren't caught, and then it is incumbent on THEM to register, grrrrr. Of course if they are found, they get a slap on the wrist most of the time, but we have 100,000+ missing SO's already, obviously the system is NOT working IMO

I think this is more then possible. I am not sure if it holds true, but the list of people they put out, could it be they are trying to find evidence on someone in order to request a search order? I would think LE cannot just go to court and ask to search everyones computer or house that was there that day. They  would need a reason other then the person being there that day? Or perhaps that would be the reason? ugh, I am not making sense I think. My thoughts are coming together. 

LE would have to have some sort of probable casue to go any of these persons homes to search. If they have a perv / pedo who says he wasn't there and someone says he was, that could be a reason. By now, they have spoken to the persons on the list and the minor children.

[Tracygirl]

I am not sure if it is illegal or not, but could sebastian put a flyer up on the street corner with the mans pic?

[islandmonkey]

islandmonkey
 am of the opinion if it's an SO perp, than they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity, but have never been caught. IIRC some statistics show an offender will molest ~150-200 times before they are caught

that's what i meant, just didnt say it as concise as you
thanks

LOL~I am rarely consise but good to know someone thinks I am. That has always bothered me since I know too many SO's aren't caught, and then it is incumbent on THEM to register, grrrrr. Of course if they are found, they get a slap on the wrist most of the time, but we have 100,000+ missing SO's already, obviously the system is NOT working IMO

I think this is more then possible. I am not sure if it holds true, but the list of people they put out, could it be they are trying to find evidence on someone in order to request a search order? I would think LE cannot just go to court and ask to search everyones computer or house that was there that day. They  would need a reason other then the person being there that day? Or perhaps that would be the reason? ugh, I am not making sense I think. My thoughts are coming together. 

island i was just about to ask if you meant, friends fam may be suspicious and aren't saying anything
islandmonkey statement
they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity

TG thats a great idea, very well could be,and LE is maybe trying to be coyslick and not alert who?

Not necessarily but that is a good thought too, I just know pedos come in every variety, those that look like a pedo, bankers, lawyers etc., heck the one that tried living here was a wealthy oil executive with patents everywhere, so it's possible it could be someone they know, but don't know is an SO, just an SO that hasn't been caught....or pedos are always trying to insert themselves into any position that allows them to be around kids, so I could see how it could be someone at the school, contracted thru PPS to work there and so on.

[islandmonkey]

I am not sure if it is illegal or not, but could sebastian put a flyer up on the street corner with the mans pic?

I am unsure about law in CA, but in FL the DA told me I could put the flyer ANYWHERE as this creep also was into 18-20yr old girls who are vunerable and he was drugging them with rufies, so I told my daughter who worked at a restaurant and the DA told me to post the flyer at the restaurant, and low and behold he came in (course I had already showed my daughter the flyer), and she started quizzing him Nothing overt, but more like "hey, you look familiar-do you live on the Island......really, WHERE (obviously she knew since we had been by his house) and then she'd say, NO that's not it, but you look so familiar for some reason". He also never went back to Waffle House and my daughter warned everyone.

The only thing the DA told me I couldn't do was alter the flyer......I knew about the child porn adn so did the school as soon as I found it, but I couldn't attach that to the flyer. But the group of parents surely knew and when they put his flyer on mailboxes and knocked on doors daily, they'd tell anyone that they hadn't personally spoke to about the charge he had now, so technically there was nothing illegal, the flyer was NOT altered, but word of mouth can be just as intimidating. So I suggest she check with the DA like I did, and they will give you direction on what you can and can't do.

[cw618]

OMG Sebastian that is scary!

Why do they allow these freaks in the same area's our children are in! Put them on an island and let them fend for themselves!

i dont think there is an uninhabited island big enough

[Tracygirl]

islandmonkey
 am of the opinion if it's an SO perp, than they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity, but have never been caught. IIRC some statistics show an offender will molest ~150-200 times before they are caught

that's what i meant, just didnt say it as concise as you
thanks

LOL~I am rarely consise but good to know someone thinks I am. That has always bothered me since I know too many SO's aren't caught, and then it is incumbent on THEM to register, grrrrr. Of course if they are found, they get a slap on the wrist most of the time, but we have 100,000+ missing SO's already, obviously the system is NOT working IMO

I think this is more then possible. I am not sure if it holds true, but the list of people they put out, could it be they are trying to find evidence on someone in order to request a search order? I would think LE cannot just go to court and ask to search everyones computer or house that was there that day. They  would need a reason other then the person being there that day? Or perhaps that would be the reason? ugh, I am not making sense I think. My thoughts are coming together. 

island i was just about to ask if you meant, friends fam may be suspicious and aren't saying anything
islandmonkey statement
they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity

TG thats a great idea, very well could be,and LE is maybe trying to be coyslick and not alert who?

I wasn't sure if anyone could make sense out of my post!

[cw618]

I am not sure if it is illegal or not, but could sebastian put a flyer up on the street corner with the mans pic?

i would think you could on your property, there was a hooker that was turning tricks in the alley behind my house
i took the plate #s down and posted a sign with them asking if it was theirs and that i turned it in to LE, low and
behold, the trick traffic stopped in like 2wks of posting the sign, and LE couldnt do anything about the sign

[Tracygirl]

OMG Sebastian that is scary!

Why do they allow these freaks in the same area's our children are in! Put them on an island and let them fend for themselves!

i dont think there is an uninhabited island big enough

Fine then just through them into the ocean with a 1/2 blown floaty! I don't think there is a group of people I hate more on the face of this planet then a pedophile.

[cw618]

OMG Sebastian that is scary!

Why do they allow these freaks in the same area's our children are in! Put them on an island and let them fend for themselves!

i dont think there is an uninhabited island big enough

Fine then just through them into the ocean with a 1/2 blown floaty! I don't think there is a group of people I hate more on the face of this planet then a pedophile.

shark food works for me 

[islandmonkey]

OMG Sebastian that is scary!

Why do they allow these freaks in the same area's our children are in! Put them on an island and let them fend for themselves!

i dont think there is an uninhabited island big enough

Fine then just through them into the ocean with a 1/2 blown floaty! I don't think there is a group of people I hate more on the face of this planet then a pedophile.

Toss some chum on them too before the let them go....I am totally good with that

[islandmonkey]

Question to anyone not as drain bamaged as I am at this point, did the profile posted from BOC come from Blink or FBI?

TIA

[Tracygirl]

OMG Sebastian that is scary!

Why do they allow these freaks in the same area's our children are in! Put them on an island and let them fend for themselves!

i dont think there is an uninhabited island big enough

Fine then just through them into the ocean with a 1/2 blown floaty! I don't think there is a group of people I hate more on the face of this planet then a pedophile.

Toss some chum on them too before the let them go....I am totally good with that

If we only ran the world....How many children are going to be hurt or killed before the powers that be decide to keep them away from children? Certain cases will always stay with me such as beautiful little Sandra Cantu who was skipping down a street just minutes before she was taken. She was the picture of childhood innocence. Why does Sandra lay in a casket as her murderer is being protected for the next 50 years? It makes me want to vomit and scream so loudly. I hate it, I just hate it it is beyond logical and beyond fair. Will we someday be saying the same about this sweet little boy with the humongous blue eyes and great big smile? It is just such a horrible world sometimes. 

[neighbor]

wow. what a world we live in.  In my community we celebrate volunteers for all kinds of endeavors.  We have to.  There is not enough money to pay people to do the things that need to be done.

Are taxpayers going to pony up the money to do the things that need to be done in schools?  All the free labor that was given that day to skyline school?

We might as well live as in the former Soviet Union with armed guards everywhere and concertina wire around everything and suspicion of every person that exists. 

That does not mean that I don't think we should be careful and prudent, but what kind of world is that where we can't even invite volunteers to help with things in the community without people thinking that it is code words . 

Hi HelloKitty,
I personally think that if the volunteers were coming to the school AFTER school, that was not a huge problem. If the volunteers were coming DURING school hours, with children present, that is a HUGE problem. I am very very lucky. My daughters middle school is completely locked. In order to get on school grounds you have to go through the office and then try to get passed the diligent ladies who work there. You cannot take your child off campus without signing your child out, in said office. In the mornings and afternoons there is a teacher or two who stand outside and watch the comings and goings of children being picked up and dropped off. I could NEVER EVER imagine that my daughters school would allow UNKNOWN volunteers to wander around campus while my child was there. Again, I am VERY lucky. I would have a fit if was any other way.

I think volunteers are fine if they have been screened and are NEVER allowed to be alone with a child. 

Was the work day at Skyline on a school day or a weekend?  I wouldn't think you could get many people on a work day.

Unfortunately, unless the person is you yourself, there is no way on earth to know who is an OK person or not.  All the background checks in the world won't catch a perv the first time. 

Do you never allow your children to go to someone else's home to play with a friend?  Too much Mom will make your kids rebel and do things on the sly.  It's an ugly world out there,

I always laugh when people say that there children would never whatever.  Keep too tight of a rein on them and they will go wild on you.  I have seen it with parents who think they have control

It's a hard world after all.

Maybe it is time for a reality check .. even as today, Skyline K8 allows people to volunteer without b/g checks.  This includes normal school hours for as as long as they are not alone with children.  On the other hand all events where all parents are invited to the school are canceled.

[Tracygirl]

Question to anyone not as drain bamaged as I am at this point, did the profile posted from BOC come from Blink or FBI?

TIA

hmmm I believe a combination of both? Do you mind bringing it over here?

I

[Tracygirl]

wow. what a world we live in.  In my community we celebrate volunteers for all kinds of endeavors.  We have to.  There is not enough money to pay people to do the things that need to be done.

Are taxpayers going to pony up the money to do the things that need to be done in schools?  All the free labor that was given that day to skyline school?

We might as well live as in the former Soviet Union with armed guards everywhere and concertina wire around everything and suspicion of every person that exists. 

That does not mean that I don't think we should be careful and prudent, but what kind of world is that where we can't even invite volunteers to help with things in the community without people thinking that it is code words . 

Hi HelloKitty,
I personally think that if the volunteers were coming to the school AFTER school, that was not a huge problem. If the volunteers were coming DURING school hours, with children present, that is a HUGE problem. I am very very lucky. My daughters middle school is completely locked. In order to get on school grounds you have to go through the office and then try to get passed the diligent ladies who work there. You cannot take your child off campus without signing your child out, in said office. In the mornings and afternoons there is a teacher or two who stand outside and watch the comings and goings of children being picked up and dropped off. I could NEVER EVER imagine that my daughters school would allow UNKNOWN volunteers to wander around campus while my child was there. Again, I am VERY lucky. I would have a fit if was any other way.

I think volunteers are fine if they have been screened and are NEVER allowed to be alone with a child. 

Was the work day at Skyline on a school day or a weekend?  I wouldn't think you could get many people on a work day.

Unfortunately, unless the person is you yourself, there is no way on earth to know who is an OK person or not.  All the background checks in the world won't catch a perv the first time. 

Do you never allow your children to go to someone else's home to play with a friend?  Too much Mom will make your kids rebel and do things on the sly.  It's an ugly world out there,

I always laugh when people say that there children would never whatever.  Keep too tight of a rein on them and they will go wild on you.  I have seen it with parents who think they have control

It's a hard world after all.

Maybe it is time for a reality check .. even as today, Skyline K8 allows people to volunteer without b/g checks.  This includes normal school hours for as as long as they are not alone with children.  On the other hand all events where all parents are invited to the school are canceled.

This is the thought of a lot of school but what they don't consider is they are allowing for a person with dangerous intentions access to the child. They are turning what would be a stranger, into a person they know. This was one of the points I had with my school district. It is now changed to include all volunteers who enter a classroom or work at the school.

[sebastian]

wow. what a world we live in.  In my community we celebrate volunteers for all kinds of endeavors.  We have to.  There is not enough money to pay people to do the things that need to be done.

Are taxpayers going to pony up the money to do the things that need to be done in schools?  All the free labor that was given that day to skyline school?

We might as well live as in the former Soviet Union with armed guards everywhere and concertina wire around everything and suspicion of every person that exists. 

That does not mean that I don't think we should be careful and prudent, but what kind of world is that where we can't even invite volunteers to help with things in the community without people thinking that it is code words . 

Hi HelloKitty,
I personally think that if the volunteers were coming to the school AFTER school, that was not a huge problem. If the volunteers were coming DURING school hours, with children present, that is a HUGE problem. I am very very lucky. My daughters middle school is completely locked. In order to get on school grounds you have to go through the office and then try to get passed the diligent ladies who work there. You cannot take your child off campus without signing your child out, in said office. In the mornings and afternoons there is a teacher or two who stand outside and watch the comings and goings of children being picked up and dropped off. I could NEVER EVER imagine that my daughters school would allow UNKNOWN volunteers to wander around campus while my child was there. Again, I am VERY lucky. I would have a fit if was any other way.

I think volunteers are fine if they have been screened and are NEVER allowed to be alone with a child. 

Was the work day at Skyline on a school day or a weekend?  I wouldn't think you could get many people on a work day.

Unfortunately, unless the person is you yourself, there is no way on earth to know who is an OK person or not.  All the background checks in the world won't catch a perv the first time. 

Do you never allow your children to go to someone else's home to play with a friend?  Too much Mom will make your kids rebel and do things on the sly.  It's an ugly world out there,

I always laugh when people say that there children would never whatever.  Keep too tight of a rein on them and they will go wild on you.  I have seen it with parents who think they have control

It's a hard world after all.

Maybe it is time for a reality check .. even as today, Skyline K8 allows people to volunteer without b/g checks.  This includes normal school hours for as as long as they are not alone with children.  On the other hand all events where all parents are invited to the school are canceled.

Are you serious Neighbor? Unreal!

[Tracygirl]

Wait Neighbor hold the phone! You are in that area right? The school has canceled all events that parents attend? what is the reason for that? hmm interesting.