Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #38 12/18/10 - 12/24/10

[shy-monkey]

Was the email TH sent saying Kyron was seen, with a male chaperone and two girls, after she left ever even said by anyone other than her?
I always thought that was just another attempt at her *don't blame me* and here's some *unnamed everybody proof* to back up my story.

A couple more things I can't remember are, was it ever decided whether she did or didn't have Kiara with her nin the school that day?

Or if the whole borrowed Kaines truck to pick up the project, later said to be something about her having called the school the same day and told she didn't need to get it that day. Was why she had Kaine's truck that day ever determined. Was it possibly a Kaine's truck=Kaine's responsible plan gone wrong? 

And one more, while trying to find answers to those questions I ran onto a discussion about Tanner's (the schoolmates?) story changing. Did it change? I hadn't heard that and if so was it a potential big trouble for him too if he told the truth, cover up lie? The kind where kids are playing where they have specifically been told to stay away from and while there something bad happens.

[Lazydog1]

Regarding the directions of the school. The soccer field is actually NE of the school. The Parking lot at the opposite end is SW of the school. Which makes the Front aimed kind of West and the back with the covered play area is sort of east. This school does not set square with the map.

I had to race into Beaverton over Cornelius Pass, sadly to rush my daughter to the Dr. She has just lost her 4th baby. On my way back I was thinking about how sad this has made us. Then I thought. My God! We haven't ever met this child, she was 3mths. Kyron was 7yo it made me cut off on Skyline and drive past the school and the Fire Station. There was one vehicle at the Fire Station looking at the Wall of Hope. I drove by. I couldn't stop. Not today. Way too many emotions. Maybe some other time.

I was actually shocked as the school is much smaller in person. The access road to the soccer field is very short. For Dave Stensen to have been on that road with a trailer there couldn't have been another vehicle on that short little road. Amazing how much larger it looks on a computer.

[wildmala]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
The reference to her daughter's doctor visit was not mentioned again in a follow-up e-mail sent later that day.

"I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.

"Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.

"I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them."

So, later that same day (JUNE 5TH), she knew what time the teacher had marked him absent, she had tracked down the receipt, the distance of the FM store, knew what time she'd gotten to the gym, what time she had left, what time she got home, what time Kaine came home.

[Goatwhisperer]

Everyone is in agreement that no one saw K leave the school. Can anyone find the link or any information that says someone  saw T leave the school?  This is interesting if no one actually saw her leave; and with this in mind, go back and read her emails the next morning.  If she was infact telling the truth in her email, wouldn't you think, she would outline how, where, and when she left the school, and who saw her?, but instead she tried to place blame on a male with two children.  Just a thought.  I would be detailing these events, as, I walked down the hall, saw who and who, passed 10 people, got in my truck, saw the vehicle parked by me with so and so also, or this and that. (this is eliminated from her email and also not provided to LE)   Time to think about what she didn't say that morning, and what else she didn't tell LE.  This spells evasion to me.

Her emails in regards to the above ^.   She doesn't seem upset at all!, just me, poor me, they are blaming me.  Why not spell out all the details about yourself, if you are innocent. JMO

[no rose colored glasses]

Regarding the directions of the school. The soccer field is actually NE of the school. The Parking lot at the opposite end is SW of the school. Which makes the Front aimed kind of West and the back with the covered play area is sort of east. This school does not set square with the map.

I had to race into Beaverton over Cornelius Pass, sadly to rush my daughter to the Dr. She has just lost her 4th baby. On my way back I was thinking about how sad this has made us. Then I thought. My God! We haven't ever met this child, she was 3mths. Kyron was 7yo it made me cut off on Skyline and drive past the school and the Fire Station. There was one vehicle at the Fire Station looking at the Wall of Hope. I drove by. I couldn't stop. Not today. Way too many emotions. Maybe some other time.

I was actually shocked as the school is much smaller in person. The access road to the soccer field is very short. For Dave Stensen to have been on that road with a trailer there couldn't have been another vehicle on that short little road. Amazing how much larger it looks on a computer.

My thoughts and prayers, how very sad   

[Goatwhisperer]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
The reference to her daughter's doctor visit was not mentioned again in a follow-up e-mail sent later that day.

"I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.

"Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.

"I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them."So, later that same day (JUNE 5TH), she knew what time the teacher had marked him absent, she had tracked down the receipt, the distance of the FM store, knew what time she'd gotten to the gym, what time she had left, what time she got home, what time Kaine came home.

Why would she need to elaborate on this? bolded above!  Think about this for one moment. Why go over her details of the day?, that information, was irrelevant at the time - what was relevant was when she left, whom she saw when she left.  She should have been describing her exit from the school, and who could have witnessed her leaving.  TMI TMI TMI

[hellokitty]

On the MCSO website, it is listed that Terri is the last person to see Kyron.  I don't know why people keep saying that someone else saw Kyron at 9.  that was said in the beginning but has changed.

 

TH apparently told her mother that she left Kyron in the hall as that is what HER mother reported. 

Then we have the email where TH says she left at 9 AM.

And then do not forget where TH has said herself that Kyron had issues of staring off into space not knowing whee he is. 

But yet, she leaves him in this chaotic environment.

How can the environment be chaotic if she said "goodbye" to him in the hall?

Surely, with the hundreds of people that were there, someone saw her say goodbye to him in the hall right?

Why did she leave that child who is getting confused for no apparent reason in this chaotic environment? 

She does not mention another soul that she saw when she left Kyron in her detailed email.  why not?

I have posted links to articles stating a student saw Kyron near the south entrance at 9, perhaps a search will bring that up. If I have time I will look back and find it for you.

I know about that quote and the 9:00 AM.  But as I said above in this, it has been changed  to TH being the last to see Kyron.  So the 9:00 AM sighting by the door cannot be correct. 

I do not think that LE is lying, because after all, they want people to tell what they have seen.  And if LE keeps insisting that TH was the last one to see Kyron, that would not be productive for LE. 

The 9:00AM sighting was very very early in the case and was subsequently changed by LE.  There have been numerous references that I quoted as well the MSCO site itself that references that TH was the last person to see Kyron.  These were later on in the case when perhaps things that LE believed in the beginning they no longer believe to be true.

[Tracygirl]

Everyone is in agreement that no one saw K leave the school. Can anyone find the link or any information that says someone  saw T leave the school?  This is interesting if no one actually saw her leave; and with this in mind, go back and read her emails the next morning.  If she was infact telling the truth in her email, wouldn't you think, she would outline how, where, and when she left the school, and who saw her?, but instead she tried to place blame on a male with two children.  Just a thought.  I would be detailing these events, as, I walked down the hall, saw who and who, passed 10 people, got in my truck, saw the vehicle parked by me with so and so also, or this and that. (this is eliminated from her email and also not provided to LE)   Time to think about what she didn't say that morning, and what else she didn't tell LE.  This spells evasion to me.

What information would we gather from Terri stating people saw her leave, we can already assume as much and be safe in that as well.
Why is the thought of this male and 2 girls so controversal. I don't understand that. We all know there is nobody talking, so to say we would have heard this from somewhere doesn't stand up to how this case is going.

I was looking at the pics of the side of the school with the soccer fields. there is a door way near the area Kyron would have walked by to get to the electric displays. There is a slight stairway leading up to the hallway and the door is set back in a little cove or sorts. Didn't we read a student say they saw Terri standing near a door? We have LE posting pics of Terri's truck off the path that leads to this area of the school. Janet earlier asked if Terri could have told Kyron to go check out the display and then took him out a door. I guess she could have out this door, down the path to the truck and the way it is set and surrounded by over growth, I don't think it is that far off to think nobody would see them.
See why I am on the fence? I really have no idea what to think.

[fatcatlurker]

Regarding the directions of the school. The soccer field is actually NE of the school. The Parking lot at the opposite end is SW of the school. Which makes the Front aimed kind of West and the back with the covered play area is sort of east. This school does not set square with the map.

I had to race into Beaverton over Cornelius Pass, sadly to rush my daughter to the Dr. She has just lost her 4th baby. On my way back I was thinking about how sad this has made us. Then I thought. My God! We haven't ever met this child, she was 3mths. Kyron was 7yo it made me cut off on Skyline and drive past the school and the Fire Station. There was one vehicle at the Fire Station looking at the Wall of Hope. I drove by. I couldn't stop. Not today. Way too many emotions. Maybe some other time.

I was actually shocked as the school is much smaller in person. The access road to the soccer field is very short. For Dave Stensen to have been on that road with a trailer there couldn't have been another vehicle on that short little road. Amazing how much larger it looks on a computer.

So sorry to hear that.  It's hard when you want something so bad that others get so easily, I know.  Hugs.  Thank you for giving your description of the school it is hard to visualize scale from pictures.

[Tracygirl]

On the MCSO website, it is listed that Terri is the last person to see Kyron.  I don't know why people keep saying that someone else saw Kyron at 9.  that was said in the beginning but has changed.

 

TH apparently told her mother that she left Kyron in the hall as that is what HER mother reported. 

Then we have the email where TH says she left at 9 AM.

And then do not forget where TH has said herself that Kyron had issues of staring off into space not knowing whee he is. 

But yet, she leaves him in this chaotic environment.

How can the environment be chaotic if she said "goodbye" to him in the hall?

Surely, with the hundreds of people that were there, someone saw her say goodbye to him in the hall right?

Why did she leave that child who is getting confused for no apparent reason in this chaotic environment? 

She does not mention another soul that she saw when she left Kyron in her detailed email.  why not?

I have posted links to articles stating a student saw Kyron near the south entrance at 9, perhaps a search will bring that up. If I have time I will look back and find it for you.

I know about that quote and the 9:00 AM.  But as I said above in this, it has been changed  to TH being the last to see Kyron.  So the 9:00 AM sighting by the door cannot be correct. 

I do not think that LE is lying, because after all, they want people to tell what they have seen.  And if LE keeps insisting that TH was the last one to see Kyron, that would not be productive for LE. 

The 9:00AM sighting was very very early in the case and was subsequently changed by LE.  There have been numerous references that I quoted as well the MSCO site itself that references that TH was the last person to see Kyron.  These were later on in the case when perhaps things that LE believed in the beginning they no longer believe to be true.

HK I have been going over this with you for days now. Think what you want about whatever you feel is correct. To be honest, whether or not Kyron was seen by the stairs does not break the case of Terri's guilt or innocense. Tanners story does not make or break Terri's story. Kyron being seen at 9 doesn't make or break the story. All of these things can be used to set a time line and that is all.

[Goatwhisperer]

Everyone is in agreement that no one saw K leave the school. Can anyone find the link or any information that says someone  saw T leave the school?  This is interesting if no one actually saw her leave; and with this in mind, go back and read her emails the next morning.  If she was infact telling the truth in her email, wouldn't you think, she would outline how, where, and when she left the school, and who saw her?, but instead she tried to place blame on a male with two children.  Just a thought.  I would be detailing these events, as, I walked down the hall, saw who and who, passed 10 people, got in my truck, saw the vehicle parked by me with so and so also, or this and that. (this is eliminated from her email and also not provided to LE)   Time to think about what she didn't say that morning, and what else she didn't tell LE.  This spells evasion to me.

What information would we gather from Terri stating people saw her leave, we can already assume as much and be safe in that as well.
Why is the thought of this male and 2 girls so controversal. I don't understand that. We all know there is nobody talking, so to say we would have heard this from somewhere doesn't stand up to how this case is going.

I was looking at the pics of the side of the school with the soccer fields. there is a door way near the area Kyron would have walked by to get to the electric displays. There is a slight stairway leading up to the hallway and the door is set back in a little cove or sorts. Didn't we read a student say they saw Terri standing near a door? We have LE posting pics of Terri's truck off the path that leads to this area of the school. Janet earlier asked if Terri could have told Kyron to go check out the display and then took him out a door. I guess she could have out this door, down the path to the truck and the way it is set and surrounded by over growth, I don't think it is that far off to think nobody would see them.
See why I am on the fence? I really have no idea what to think.

Above bolded - to verify her accounts of when she left.  Above Italics - we have only heard this from T. 

[Tracygirl]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
The reference to her daughter's doctor visit was not mentioned again in a follow-up e-mail sent later that day.

"I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.

"Kids saw him after I left. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened.

"I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them."

So, later that same day (JUNE 5TH), she knew what time the teacher had marked him absent, she had tracked down the receipt, the distance of the FM store, knew what time she'd gotten to the gym, what time she had left, what time she got home, what time Kaine came home.

I would assume that LE had gone over what times everyone had done what that day. This to me doesn't say Terri is hiding anything or was acting in away to cover. To me she sounds frustrated. I recall this same sort of frustrations by other parents when being asked again and again. Tori's mom often spoke of how frustrating it was to be questioned over and over again, she just wanted them to go and find her daughter. We don't know and can't possibly say what Terri's was thinking or feeling by these emails. 

[Tracygirl]

Everyone is in agreement that no one saw K leave the school. Can anyone find the link or any information that says someone  saw T leave the school?  This is interesting if no one actually saw her leave; and with this in mind, go back and read her emails the next morning.  If she was infact telling the truth in her email, wouldn't you think, she would outline how, where, and when she left the school, and who saw her?, but instead she tried to place blame on a male with two children.  Just a thought.  I would be detailing these events, as, I walked down the hall, saw who and who, passed 10 people, got in my truck, saw the vehicle parked by me with so and so also, or this and that. (this is eliminated from her email and also not provided to LE)   Time to think about what she didn't say that morning, and what else she didn't tell LE.  This spells evasion to me.

What information would we gather from Terri stating people saw her leave, we can already assume as much and be safe in that as well.
Why is the thought of this male and 2 girls so controversal. I don't understand that. We all know there is nobody talking, so to say we would have heard this from somewhere doesn't stand up to how this case is going.

I was looking at the pics of the side of the school with the soccer fields. there is a door way near the area Kyron would have walked by to get to the electric displays. There is a slight stairway leading up to the hallway and the door is set back in a little cove or sorts. Didn't we read a student say they saw Terri standing near a door? We have LE posting pics of Terri's truck off the path that leads to this area of the school. Janet earlier asked if Terri could have told Kyron to go check out the display and then took him out a door. I guess she could have out this door, down the path to the truck and the way it is set and surrounded by over growth, I don't think it is that far off to think nobody would see them.
See why I am on the fence? I really have no idea what to think.

Above bolded - to verify her accounts of when she left.  Above Italics - we have only heard this from T. 

Nobody else is really talking or saying anything, this to me doesn't prove it is a lie or a cover. It may not be true, the point is, just because nobody has said anything about it doesn't make it not true.
I get the feeling you are of the opinion Terri did this alone. I can't see that myself, but I trust you have taken much time to consider how she did this. Would you please post your summery of events as you believe them to have happened on June 4th.

[Goatwhisperer]

Let's consider who might have had a motive.

[Tamikosmom]

Everyone is in agreement that no one saw K leave the school. Can anyone find the link or any information that says someone  saw T leave the school?  This is interesting if no one actually saw her leave; and with this in mind, go back and read her emails the next morning.  If she was infact telling the truth in her email, wouldn't you think, she would outline how, where, and when she left the school, and who saw her?, but instead she tried to place blame on a male with two children.  Just a thought.  I would be detailing these events, as, I walked down the hall, saw who and who, passed 10 people, got in my truck, saw the vehicle parked by me with so and so also, or this and that. (this is eliminated from her email and also not provided to LE)   Time to think about what she didn't say that morning, and what else she didn't tell LE.  This spells evasion to me.

It appears that Terri Horman has a receipt from FM which is time stamped 9:12 AM and ... it appears that Kyron was observed at the school between 8:45 AM and 9:00 AM.

The implication is that Kyron DID NOT leave the school with Terri.  However ... this does not indicate that Terri does not have a connection with the person who did leave the school with Kyron but without investigators determining who this person is ... the suspicion encompassing Terri is all for naught.

It is my sincere hope that behind the scenes the dots are being connected.

Janet

+++++

DEDE SPICHER

Kyron's family calls on friend of Terri's to tell what she knows

The family of Kyron Horman released this statement
Thursday evening, July 22, 2010

Good Evening,

We have been briefed by law enforcement on the most recent developments in Kyron's case.

We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher. She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.

Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance, not to cooperate as well.

We implore DeDe Spicher to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son. We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter.

We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron's smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home. Please remember what this is about, it's about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.

Desiree, Kaine and Tony

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyrons-family-calls-on-friend-of-Terris-to-tell-what-she-knows-99076714.html


 

[Tracygirl]

Let's consider who might have had a motive.

I can think of about 80 or so known pedo's in the area on that day. Not saying Terri didn't do this, but there is always the sexual motivation of a pedophile. Then there is persons we may not know of, there is the landscaper, there is perhaps a scorn lover of either Kaine or Terri. There are a lot of motives in my opinion. 

[starwynn]

Male chaperone:  Since the first time I read about the male chaperone and that "there was no male chaperone", it's made me wonder.  If there were no male chaperone's for the SF, then who was the guy?

I just wonder if the guy even exists, or is this a convenient lie because we're all going to think "pedo" when we hear this.  Who knows?  I hope LE knoww, though!  No one else has mentioned male chaperones.  There is a mention of the female who noticed the headcount didn't include Kyron.  IF there was a male, there's still the question of Kyron being seen (alone) at the south entrance.  Did ChaperoneMan split with him (when people were around) and ask him to meet him there so he could show him what the others were talking about in the flower garden?

So many questions.

[Tracygirl]

Everyone is in agreement that no one saw K leave the school. Can anyone find the link or any information that says someone  saw T leave the school?  This is interesting if no one actually saw her leave; and with this in mind, go back and read her emails the next morning.  If she was infact telling the truth in her email, wouldn't you think, she would outline how, where, and when she left the school, and who saw her?, but instead she tried to place blame on a male with two children.  Just a thought.  I would be detailing these events, as, I walked down the hall, saw who and who, passed 10 people, got in my truck, saw the vehicle parked by me with so and so also, or this and that. (this is eliminated from her email and also not provided to LE)   Time to think about what she didn't say that morning, and what else she didn't tell LE.  This spells evasion to me.

It appears that Terri Horman has a receipt from FM which is time stamped 9:12 AM and ... it appears that Kyron was observed at the school between 8:45 AM and 9:00 AM.

The implication is that Kyron DID NOT leave the school with Terri.  However ... this does not indicate that Terri does not have a connection with the person who did leave the school with Kyron but without investigators determining who this person is ... the suspicion encompassing Terri is all for naught.It is my sincere hope that behind the scenes the dots are being connected.

Janet

+++++

DEDE SPICHER

Kyron's family calls on friend of Terri's to tell what she knows

The family of Kyron Horman released this statement
Thursday evening, July 22, 2010

Good Evening,

We have been briefed by law enforcement on the most recent developments in Kyron's case.

We have been informed that they have identified a person that has been in close communication with Terri Moulton Horman since Kyron went missing and her name is DeDe Spicher. She has not only been in close communication with Terri but has been providing Terri with support and advice that is not in the best interests of our son.

Additional information provided shows that she is refusing to cooperate with law enforcement, she is also going as far as to suggest to others that may have information regarding Kyron's disappearance, not to cooperate as well.

We implore DeDe Spicher to come forward and cooperate with the investigators in any way that they need in order to assist us in finding our son. We will state further that if we find out through the investigation that she caused a delay in us finding our son due to her lack of cooperation, we will pursue civil remedies in this matter.

We as a family cannot understand how anyone can look at Kyron's smiling face, having information and choose not to help bring him home. Please remember what this is about, it's about bringing a wonderful little boy back to his family.

Desiree, Kaine and Tony

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyrons-family-calls-on-friend-of-Terris-to-tell-what-she-knows-99076714.html


 

[Tracygirl]

Male chaperone:  Since the first time I read about the male chaperone and that "there was no male chaperone", it's made me wonder.  If there were no male chaperone's for the SF, then who was the guy?

I just wonder if the guy even exists, or is this a convenient lie because we're all going to think "pedo" when we hear this.  Who knows?  I hope LE knoww, though!  No one else has mentioned male chaperones.  There is a mention of the female who noticed the headcount didn't include Kyron.  IF there was a male, there's still the question of Kyron being seen (alone) at the south entrance.  Did ChaperoneMan split with him (when people were around) and ask him to meet him there so he could show him what the others were talking about in the flower garden?

So many questions.

Perhaps LE is still trying to figure out who this man is? I would think LE would be under an obligation to investigate any report and not just assume it is a lie.

[Tamikosmom]

Tracygirl ... thank so much for that info regarding the layout of the school.

Fanny Mae ... thank you for clarifying that the front entrance to the school is on the south side.