Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 - 1/01/11

[Kat_Gram]

Intel lawyers know just about as much about divorce and custody issues as what any of us do.  those are corporate lawyers and intellectual property lawyers and other stuff that I probably can't even guess lawyers.

But divorce and custody-not a chance.  They protect Intel and do Intl's issues, whatever they are

I think that Intel and their lawyers would have to sift and sort thru Kaine's laptop and any communication he had that was personal and make that available to LE.  Anything proprietary
( owned ) by Intel would be not available for release to LE. That is why Intel lawyers would be involved. Same as at my shop. I have personal emails and personal documents on their system. I also have work stuff ( policies, program workings, etc ) that cannot be released to anyone. I can't even sent it to myself at home. If need be, our lawyers would do that, sift thru and only release the personal.   
Why he didn't want Intel emplyees to speak to the media suggets another thing he wanted to hide. Things he might have said to them. Things that would not be in his best interest and would taint our opinion of HIM. Whenever anyone at my work had had family issues, beleive me, we all knew.Maybe Kaine had communication with a divorce lawyer via his work email. Terri would not have had his Intel password to his work laptop. When persons, not in my industry are set up to work at home, there is always a security issue. There are encryption keys for the senders and decryption keys for selected individuals who would be the recipients. And firewalls and monitoring for breaches.   

[no rose colored glasses]

Intel lawyers know just about as much about divorce and custody issues as what any of us do.  those are corporate lawyers and intellectual property lawyers and other stuff that I probably can't even guess lawyers.

But divorce and custody-not a chance.  They protect Intel and do Intl's issues, whatever they are

I think that Intel and their lawyers would have to sift and sort thru Kaine's laptop and any communication he had that was personal and make that available to LE.  Anything proprietary
( owned ) by Intel would be not available for release to LE. That is why Intel lawyers would be involved. Same as at my shop. I have personal emails and personal documents on their system. I also have work stuff ( policies, program workings, etc ) that cannot be released to anyone. I can't even sent it to myself at home. If need be, our lawyers would do that, sift thru and only release the personal.   
Why he didn't want Intel emplyees to speak to the media suggets another thing he wanted to hide. Things he might have said to them. Things that would not be in his best interest and would taint our opinion of HIM. Whenever anyone at my work had had family issues, beleive me, we all knew.Maybe Kaine had communication with a divorce lawyer via his work email. Terri would not have had his Intel password to his work laptop. When persons, not in my industry are set up to work at home, there is always a security issue. There are encryption keys for the senders and decryption keys for selected individuals who would be the recipients. And firewalls and monitoring for breaches.   

Very interesting, thank-you. My husband works for a huge company, and when someone has family issues, blah, blah, everybody knows, and sometimes different versions of the stories are circulating all around.

[no rose colored glasses]

I had found it odd that people that worked with Kaine haven't been talking to the press or anything. Maybe Intel has a policy that if they talk about other employers to the public they could get fired?

[Kat_Gram]

I had found it odd that people that worked with Kaine haven't been talking to the press or anything. Maybe Intel has a policy that if they talk about other employers to the public they could get fired?

Could be. Must protect Intel. Persons who work for Interl represent Intel. If Kaine was or was not doing "stuff" that is not so nice, it reflects on Intel. But I have a feeling that a guy like Kaine ( the controlling aspect that I see and some of the things he had said about Terri and her spending his money ) has most likely ruffled a few feathers during his employment.
Nothing can stop these employees from posting on blogs under a different name. However if it was me and my job, I would be following what Intel Legal told them.   

[Tamikosmom]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

Well something happened to KH's brother to make him a child molester. That story is all hush hushed, but it could have a connection to this case. <<<speculation by me, who knows *shrugs

Kristian Korman

Kyron Horman Update: Details emerge about Kyron’s uncle charged in child molestation case
June 23, 2:27 PM

Details about the molestation

.... According to court records, on October 24, 2008, Kristian invited a 15-year-old girl to sleep in his bed. His ex-girlfriend was not home at the time of the molestation.

Kristian "massaged her back" and then began "rubbing her crotch."

The girl knew what Kristian was doing was wrong, left the bed, and called her mother.

Kristian apologized at the time. He first told police he was asleep and couldn’t remember what happened, but finally confessed. Court records indicate he was trying to arouse and initiate relations with the 15-year-old.

Cases related?

According to Snohomish County Prosecutor Hal Hupp, the cases are not related and Kristian’s recent jail sentence had nothing to do with Kyron.

“The child molestation case occurred two years ago and the uncle was just found guilty and jailed on June 16,” Hupp said. “Kyron was not the molested child in that case.”

When asked if Kristian Horman’s child molestation conviction in Seattle, Wash., was part of the investigation in Kyron’s case in Portland, Multnomah County Sheriff’s office spokeswoman, Lt. Mary Lindstand, said, “Yes, I can say that it is part of the investigation.

http://www.examiner.com/x-34328-Seattle-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d23-Kyron-Horman-Update-Details-emerge-about-Kyrons-uncle-charged-in-child-molestation-case


The Step-Mom, the Truck and the Uncle: The Latest on Kyron Horman
4:23 PM June 18th, 2010 by James Pitkin

At the press conference, Lt. Jason Gates of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office said, “We aren’t in a position to talk about suspects.” .....

In a bizarre but unrelated development, Gates also confirmed online reports that a man recently convicted in the Seattle area for child molestation is Kyron’s uncle.

On Wednesday, Kristian Horman was convicted of third-degree child molestation in connection with a 2008 case and was booked into jail on a three-month sentence. Authorities in Snohomish County, Wash., have confirmed the victim in that case was a female relative.

Gates said investigators are working with authorities there to establish where Kristian Horman was on the day Kyron vanished.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/18/the-step-mom-the-truck-and-the-uncle-the-latest-on-kyron-horman/


Troubled Family
What records show about Kyron Horman’s stepmom, dad and other relatives
BY JAMES PITKIN | jpitkin at wweek dot com
[June 23rd, 2010]

That same year, Kaine Horman’s brother, Kristian Horman, was arrested for child molestation.

Snohomish County Superior Court records say Kristian Horman, 32, was living with his girlfriend, her mother and his 1-year-old son in Bothell, Wash. On Oct. 24, 2008, the daughter of Kristian Horman’s ex-wife stayed at his house while his girlfriend was out of town. The records say Kristian Horman invited the girl, who was 15, to sleep in his bed. He massaged her back, then began rubbing her crotch. The girl left the bed and called her mother, and Kristian Horman apologized.

When police interviewed him, Kristian Horman at first said he was asleep and couldn’t remember what had happened. Finally he confessed, according to court records, saying he was trying to “arouse and initiate relations” with the girl.

Police asked Kristian Horman what he was thinking about after the girl pulled away. He then revealed there was a history of abuse in the Horman family, court records show, and said his grandfather had abused him.

“He indicated that he was thinking about all the stuff his grandfather had done to him,” the court records say, “and remembering how he felt during the time.” Kristian Horman was sentenced June 16 to six months in jail.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/

[Tamikosmom]

Could it be that Kaine has inside connections within LE and ... within Intel assisting him in controlling the media to prevent skeltons of his own making within his marriage to Terri from being revealed?

Janet

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Controlling the Media

Kyron Horman’s Family Boots WW and The Oregonian from Bizarre News Event
1:04 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family.

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive.

<snipped>

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/


More Notes from the Strange Press Conference with Kyron Horman’s Family
4:14 PM July 1st, 2010
by James Pitkin

As we’ve already reported, WW was kicked out of this morning’s news conference by the family of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman.

But our reporter friends have continued to fill us in on what we missed. After mother Desiree Young gave a tearful statement, she answered some questions submitted by the media.

Here are one reporter’s notes from the question-and-answer session:

<snipped>

The family is helping with the case everyday by working with investigators and the media to make sure his face stays out there. They’re handing out fliers, getting t-shirts out there. Desiree said it is her goal for everyone any where in the world to know what Kyron looks like.

They have been fully briefed by police and they are optimistic. They are fully confident in the investigation and investigators who are doing everything they can to find Kyron.

Next week they will meet with media at 10am on Tuesday since Monday is a holiday. On Thursday they will do interviews starting at 4pm but nothing live. Everything taped as has to be held for air until Friday because Kyron went missing on a Friday.

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/more-notes-from-the-strange-press-conference-with-kyron-hormans-family/
 

Missing Child - Kyron Horman, 7
Posted on Jun 07, 2010
 
Below is an email from Kyron's father.

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,

If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:

The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:

1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him

2.     Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):

He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:

(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:

The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect
Intel Corporation

http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

BUMPED

[no rose colored glasses]

I had found it odd that people that worked with Kaine haven't been talking to the press or anything. Maybe Intel has a policy that if they talk about other employers to the public they could get fired?

Could be. Must protect Intel. Persons who work for Interl represent Intel. If Kaine was or was not doing "stuff" that is not so nice, it reflects on Intel. But I have a feeling that a guy like Kaine ( the controlling aspect that I see and some of the things he had said about Terri and her spending his money ) has most likely ruffled a few feathers during his employment.
Nothing can stop these employees from posting on blogs under a different name. However if it was me and my job, I would be following what Intel Legal told them.   

That is what I would do also, I would not want to jeopardize my job at all.

[Tamikosmom]

June 18, 2010 4:51 PM
Kyron Horman Update: Cops Ask Public for Information about Stepmother, Believed to Have Last Seen Boy

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by tmittelstaed June 19, 2010 12:38 AM EDT

The only thing we know (and I live in OR so have read quite a lot about this case) is that the family immediately went into seclusion the first week of Kyron's disappearance, and -everyone- (and I mean everyone) remotely conected to the family has been absolutely close-lipped with regards to the families situation. There has been nothing in the way of family members or relatives talking to reporters and doing anything other than echoing the party line. Kyron's family has information about it's internal workings locked down so tight that it would put the CIA to shame, and they have managed the press to say what they want better than a lot of professional companies who manage politicians press interfaces have done.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20008192-504083.html

[hellokitty]

 

How many employees does Intel have there ?  It's something like 15,000 I think?

Kaine is a nobody.  Sorry, but it's true.  He doesn't come from a wealthy, powerful family.  He isn't a CEO. To think that he is so powerful to control media and Intel is ludicrous.  Sorry. 

Even wealthy powerful people find it difficult to control the media.

So he works for INTEL.  He's a dot on their spread sheets.

[Kat_Gram]

I must disagree. Intel has plenty of employess, any of them been in the news lately ?
Kaine Horman, it always comes up that he works for Intel. He's a dot, a big NEON DOT. or a big NEON BLIGHT on INTEL.
What if some of the chit we have read is true ? Like the steriod connection for Intel employees. That look good for INTEL, to have persons who engage in illegal activites with other employees? Or that he has a brother who is in jaill for molestation ?

[chiquita]

How many employees does Intel have there ?  It's something like 15,000 I think?

Kaine is a nobody.  Sorry, but it's true.  He doesn't come from a wealthy, powerful family.  He isn't a CEO. To think that he is so powerful to control media and Intel is ludicrous.  Sorry. 

Even wealthy powerful people find it difficult to control the media.

So he works for INTEL.  He's a dot on their spread sheets.

about the Williamette and Oregonian being excluded from the ONE presser...

they were excluded because they already had information on the MFH Plot...they were asked by LE as in LAW ENFORCEMENT and the FAMILY OF KYRON to NOT break the story so that they could do their investigation THEIR WAY...you know their JOB? and those 2 outlets REFUSED TO MAKE THAT AGREEMENT...they were turned away for "not being team players" because their scoop was more important to them than Kyron... the Oregonian withheld the story and went back and apologized and were included in EVERY OTHER presser after that...the Williamette went forward and posted their scoop...which forced LE's hand putting them in a now or never situation with the sting that they werent ready to pull off...just to beat the press...for one I believe that they wanted some time to pass so that TH could get more comfortable before they did it...so that they would have a chance at it...but no, thats not how it happened and we all saw how that DIDNT work out...

Kaine does NOT have the power everyone wants to pretend that they think he does...and there are reasons that arent always so clear (even if they should be) for some things and they arent trite...


To set the record straight on the situation with Kaine and the media in this one situation.

[Tamikosmom]

I am not implying that Kaine has any direct involvement in the disappearance of his son but he seems to believe that his personal skeletons are above reproach.

Kaine begins an actual affair with Terri while married to Desiree ... one month prior to Kyron's birth.  However ... he has has placed himself on a pedestal and somehow convinced himself that Terri's virtual affair with Michael Cook is a far  greater sin.  What underlying support system give Kaine this sense of entitlement?

Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye..

Janet

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Kaine Horman calls his estranged wife 'severely emotionally disturbed,' releases more texts between Terri Horman and Michael Cook
Published: Monday, October 25, 2010, 5:00 PM
Updated: Tuesday, October 26, 2010, 6:02 PM

Kaine Horman argued in court files today that his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman, is an "emotionally disturbed individual focused on her own needs rather than the needs of Kiara or my missing Kyron."

More:http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/kaine_horman_calls_his_estrang.html

[Kat_Gram]

There are a couple of persons on this board who are making excuses for and giving reasons why things are happening the way they are. WHY ? Got some inside info ? If so, tell, if not quit with the excuse making. I have to log off and I am really tried of this tennis match. Anyone who disgaress with some party line here being posted is given a reason why. I have no inside scoop, I know none of these persons and if I did know them, I would run as fast as I could. Janet has been posting what the media has said, I have read most of OR Live. I am formin g my opionion from that, not the lame excuses made for Kaine here.   

[hellokitty]

I must disagree. Intel has plenty of employess, any of them been in the news lately ?
Kaine Horman, it always comes up that he works for Intel. He's a dot, a big NEON DOT. or a big NEON BLIGHT on INTEL.
What if some of the chit we have read is true ? Like the steriod connection for Intel employees. That look good for INTEL, to have persons who engage in illegal activites with other employees? Or that he has a brother who is in jaill for molestation ?

 

What impact would it have?  would people not want to work for Intel anymore?  Would people quit buying from Intel?

[hellokitty]

There are a couple of persons on this board who are making excuses for and giving reasons why things are happening the way they are. WHY ? Got some inside info ? If so, tell, if not quit with the excuse making. I have to log off and I am really tried of this tennis match. Anyone who disgaress with some party line here being posted is given a reason why. I have no inside scoop, I know none of these persons and if I did know them, I would run as fast as I could. Janet has been posting what the media has said, I have read most of OR Live. I am formin g my opionion from that, not the lame excuses made for Kaine here.   

 

Do you mean the facts that were written about what happened with the media and the MFH?  Those facts don't count? 

I wonder why posters on here have to lash out at people calling names when they can't get their own way on here?

[sassifrass]

Welcome to the cage chiquita! 

[sassifrass]

Everyone should just breathe in and then breathe out. I can honestly say, all of the posters on here, are here for the same reason. We all want Kyron home. 

[Tamikosmom]

Everyone should just breathe in and then breathe out. I can honestly say, all of the posters on here, are here for the same reason. We all want Kyron home. 

I did exactly what you suggested sassifrass and ... I saw spots floating before my eyes.  My New Year's resolution ... A DAILY EXCERCISE ROUTINE!

Have a good day all!

Janet
9:35 AM PT

[akmom]

Every day I come here, yet I feel I don't have any better handle on what happened to our little frog boy than I did the day he went missing....

Where is Kyron????

[sassifrass]

Everyone should just breathe in and then breathe out. I can honestly say, all of the posters on here, are here for the same reason. We all want Kyron home. 

I did exactly what you suggested sassifrass and ... I saw spots floating before my eyes.  My New Year's resolution ... A DAILY EXCERCISE ROUTINE!

Have a good day all!

Janet
9:35 AM PT

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