Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 - 1/01/11

[sebastian]

If my son was missing and I thought he was being stashed away or held by someone, I would make a direct "plea to the person" holding my son to let him go. 

We've never heard such a plea from anyone in this case - not even either of the bio parents.

That seems unnatural to me.  IMO it would be natural to plead with whoever had my child to let him come home.  I would be so upset I would want to scream those words.

But I've never heard those words stated on behalf of Kyron.

What did it mean when Kaine stated he knows Kyron could hear him or when he said into the camera home is safe, it is just him and Kiara, just come home? Does he think  someone is holding Kyron because Kyron wanted to run away? Does he think Kyron is in the area and that is why he can hear him?

It is very odd. If he means that it is safe for Kyron to come home because Terri is no longer there, than where does he think that Kyron is, if Terri did not harm him? Does he think that Kyron is sitting by a television?

[Tracygirl]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

[Puzzler]

Okay...I found this which tells us everything "except" the "date of the marriage":

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8399.240


 Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #23
« Reply #247 on: August 22, 2010, 05:36:16 AM » 

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Quote from: Bearlyhere on August 22, 2010, 04:49:34 AM
Quote from: Puzzler on August 22, 2010, 04:30:11 AM
Another oddity IMO that I read in Friday's post (and I was so far behind in reading that I didn't post about it at the time) was that we found out that "after" Desiree filed for divorce (not at the time of filing) and "after" Kyron was born, Desiree filed a restraining order against Kaine and that she was concerned that Kaine would take away her two boys.  Why would Desiree be afraid Kaine would take away the boys...including her older son by another father.


I thought she was afraid Kaine was going to take Kyron away.


This is a post by Wyks in the previous thread.  In this post it talks about "both boys".
Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #22 8/19/10 -
« Reply #822 on: August 21, 2010, 11:43:28 AM » 

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July 27, 2010 at 1:32 PM

MEDFORD, Ore. -- An in-depth interview with NBC’s Dateline, Kyron Horman’s mother blamed Terri Horman for the breakup of her marriage with Kyron’s father back in 2002.

Desiree said she was eight months pregnant with Kyron when she learned that Kaine was having an affair with Terri and it tore her apart.

"I cried solid for two months and didn't leave the bedroom because I didn't understand why she somehow equated to something that was better than me and my son,” Desiree said.

However, Kaine told Dateline that he and Desiree’s marriage had already crumbled when his relationship with Terri began. Kaine said that he and Desiree had decided to live separate lives under the same roof until Kyron was born.

They later divorced and Desiree moved into a home nearby. She had full custody of Kyron and Kaine visited with him often.

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http://www.kgw.com/news/Kyrons-mom--99345859.html

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New Monkey July 15, 2010, 02:55:21 PM
Desiree's name in the legal records during her divorce with Kaine is listed as Desiree McCullough Horman.  It looks like a temporary restraining order was issued on 9/26/2002.  It looks like the dissolution order was issued on 2/19/03.  The case number for the divorce is: C022918DRC.

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Added by New Monkey

To be more clear:

The dissolution of marriage petition was file on 8/23/02
The temporary R/O was issued on 9/23/02 - entered in file on 9/25/02
The dissolution of marriage judgment was issued on 2/13/03

I don't think I can link to it because it's a pay-for service

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Troubled Family
June 23rd, 2010

Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/?SOURCE=RSS

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I call attention to the "a month AFTER" part above, because others have said that a restraining order often goes along with divorce proceedings in Oregon.  Am just pointing out that THIS restraining order was filed a month after she filed for divorce.  Completely seperate IMO. 

[Tracygirl]

If my son was missing and I thought he was being stashed away or held by someone, I would make a direct "plea to the person" holding my son to let him go. 

We've never heard such a plea from anyone in this case - not even either of the bio parents.

That seems unnatural to me.  IMO it would be natural to plead with whoever had my child to let him come home.  I would be so upset I would want to scream those words.

But I've never heard those words stated on behalf of Kyron.

What did it mean when Kaine stated he knows Kyron could hear him or when he said into the camera home is safe, it is just him and Kiara, just come home? Does he think  someone is holding Kyron because Kyron wanted to run away? Does he think Kyron is in the area and that is why he can hear him?

IDK - that was eerie, though.  Why not just ask the person holding Kyron to let him go?

I wish I knew more about criminal profiling, is there a type of abductor that is empowered by pleas made to them by the family? Anyone know? 

[Puzzler]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

[Tracygirl]

If my son was missing and I thought he was being stashed away or held by someone, I would make a direct "plea to the person" holding my son to let him go. 

We've never heard such a plea from anyone in this case - not even either of the bio parents.

That seems unnatural to me.  IMO it would be natural to plead with whoever had my child to let him come home.  I would be so upset I would want to scream those words.

But I've never heard those words stated on behalf of Kyron.

What did it mean when Kaine stated he knows Kyron could hear him or when he said into the camera home is safe, it is just him and Kiara, just come home? Does he think  someone is holding Kyron because Kyron wanted to run away? Does he think Kyron is in the area and that is why he can hear him?

It is very odd. If he means that it is safe for Kyron to come home because Terri is no longer there, than where does he think that Kyron is, if Terri did not harm him? Does he think that Kyron is sitting by a television?

I know it is strange, right? I have only heard that said about children that unfortunately have died. Perhaps there is a theory that someone is holding Kyron to save him from Terri and has him held up in a house somewhere. I don't know.

[Tracygirl]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

Why does Kaine need to add more fuel to the fire? Why is public opinion important now? In the beginning he wanted the public to know nothing about his life, now it is important for us to know how awful Terri is. Perhaps she is, but what happend to the privacy he wanted wayy in the beginning, no talking to the press, snubbing them when they ask what they can do? If this is all because of the divorce and custody, the judge is not going to consider public opinion when deciding custody, it will be based on facts.


I have a question of something I am not clear on, what happens if Terri talks, if she comes out and says none of it is true, I didn't take Kyron, last time I saw him he was safely at school. Does something change for Terri?   

[Tracygirl]

Oh my it is almost 1AM I need to go to bed. I have a very long day set for tomorrow that starts very early. See you all later!

[Puzzler]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

Why does Kaine need to add more fuel to the fire? Why is public opinion important now? In the beginning he wanted the public to know nothing about his life, now it is important for us to know how awful Terri is. Perhaps she is, but what happend to the privacy he wanted wayy in the beginning, no talking to the press, snubbing them when they ask what they can do? If this is all because of the divorce and custody, the judge is not going to consider public opinion when deciding custody, it will be based on facts.


I have a question of something I am not clear on, what happens if Terri talks, if she comes out and says none of it is true, I didn't take Kyron, last time I saw him he was safely at school. Does something change for Terri?   

Terri's already said that in essence - in an email - something like:  I didn't just drop him off. I spent time with him and waved goodbye to him walking down the hall toward his room.  I thought he was safe in school.  IMO, Terri's already said that.  Nothing she would say at this point would change anything...no one would believe her if she said anything; those same people chastize her for not speaking up (although she talked for weeks to LE before she obtained a lawyer).

Why add fuel to the fire?  Every read my "big paddle effect" story?  Kaine has a big paddle and smacks in down on a pile of "Terri is guilty statement" and it splatters out all over Terri...everyone is so busy looking at Terri and Terri's so busy cleaning off the splatter that NO ONE looks at Kaine (remember, he doesn't want the press looking at him).  IMO.

[Shell]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

A jab at Terri is how I saw it.

[Shell]

It was a bit strange Puzzler. He was speaking as if Kyron was a runaway hiding at a friends home. Out of all of the possible things I consider that one very far from being reality. I wish that was the case but then how does Terri fit into it all? did he say that to add more "hate Terri" fuel?

I think it was said to add more fuel to the fire....but...what about a relative's house?  We've heard nothing about LE checking out Kaine's relatives...which live close by in Washington.

Well something happened to KH's brother to make him a child molester. That story is all hush hushed, but it could have a connection to this case. <<<speculation by me, who knows *shrugs

[Kokos Cat]

How many days after K's disappearance did they go to the Gym.. here I am thinking that Kaine has some inside info from LE to keep his life normal, and accompany T to the gym, and what ever to gather or gain some insight into what she might say or disclose that they may not have heard yet.  JMO..

Okay now..to me this whole pic of them out side the gym in the first week has been over stated..and then understated.  You see, the gym they were at was also the gym that was a headquarters of sorts for the dropping off of food and supplies for the searchers.

So it makes perfect sense they would have been there to cooridinate that and then worked out..it was a gym and they needed to show that connection to them for the public and other members.

I don't care if they worked out or not, they snubbed reporters, they were asked questions and didn't respond or look at them. They put things in their trunk, got into the car and drove away. Who does that?

I recently watched that video...several times...obvious snub...not one word...not even "we can't talke right now"...nothing.

Yep snubbed them, why and who does that?

Yep, the video is ugly.  It's like a visual version of "no comment".  It's almost as if they had both been accused of something.  But you can clearly hear the reporter in the background, clearly sympathetic, asking if there is anything that they can do... 

My feeling was that KH had given the order: no media.  And, TH was following that directive. 

Why would they act this way if they were innocent?   

[Kokos Cat]

What did Stanton mean when he said: What we once suspected, we no longer suspect?

Thoughts?

Puzzler:

Question: When was this?  Was this way back when Staton said something about the final outcome would be shocking?  Or, this a new statement that I may have missed? 

When was the last time LE spoke about Kyron?  I'm a little out of the loop, lately,

Many TIA,

Great work, Monkeys! 

 

[Kokos Cat]

July 1, 2010:
Oregon's two largest newspapers banned from Horman "press conference".  Not very good use of what could have been one of the best tools/resources at hand.  Especially since the criteria was not met to issue an amber alert. 

 

BBM

This is from Willamette Week:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

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The saga of missing 7-year-old Kyron Horman got a little more bizarre today at a news conference held this morning by the boy’s family....

The event at Brooks Hill Historic Church was arranged on Wednesday by Kyron’s father Kaine Horman, biological mother Desiree Young and her husband, Medford Police Detective Tony Young.

Absent was Terri Moulton Horman, the stepmom investigators say was the last person known to have seen Kyron before his June 4 disappearance. Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against her earlier this week. And she’s since hired star criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.

Today, Kaine Horman and the Youngs sat at the head of a table in a room filled with more than two dozen national and local reporters for print, TV and radio. As the meeting began at 10 a.m., Kaine Horman started out by explaining “the agenda.” This wasn’t going to be a typical press conference.

Horman said the family’s goal was to make “the story” about Kyron. With news of the divorce and investigators homing in on the stepmom, media coverage (including in WW) has increasingly focused on Kyron’s troubled family.

First came Horman’s “ground rules,” as he described them. No cameras. No recordings. Everything was off the record and couldn’t be reported, unless agreed otherwise. Horman made everyone in the room agree to these rules before proceeding. And so this roomful of reporters consented, in essence, not to be reporters.

Horman then laid out how the meeting would go. They would take questions, make some phone calls (presumably to investigators, to find out what they could say in their answers), then return and make an on-the-record statement. But first, Horman wanted all the reporters he didn’t know to introduce themselves.

KEX radio, KATU, The Portland Tribune and “Inside Edition” all got the nod from Horman. But then came Shane Kavanaugh and Bryan Denson of The Oregonian.

Horman said the family didn’t like The Oregonian’s coverage and wanted them to leave. Horman said the daily had failed to be a “team player.”

“This is a team, and if we’re not going to play as a team, there’s no point in being here,” Horman said. “This is about Kyron.”

Denson objected, saying he’s new to the story and after 28 years in journalism he’s “a pretty good reporter.” But there was no arguing. The family wanted The O gone, and a woman who said she’s a manager at the church escorted them out. The biggest newspaper in the state had been eighty-sixed.

I introduced myself and said I’m with Willamette Week. Horman said the family has the same problem with WW. I agreed to leave. And so the paper with the second-biggest circulation in Oregon was also kicked out.

As far as I was concerned, after getting kicked out all deals were off. I wasn’t going to keep the meeting off the record.

According to a reporter who stayed, the family went on to lay out more “ground rules” for the future. They said they’d hold these “news conferences” (if you can call them that) twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays, as time allows. They would make prepared statements, answer some questions submitted in writing and may also do occasional interviews.

“They want us to cover Kyron, and they’re not going to get neck-deep in gossip and rumors,” the reporter said.

ABC News convinced the family to make an on-the-record statement in front of one camera, with the tape available as pool footage for other reporters. After more than an hour inside the church, the reporters were sent outside while the family stayed in to prepare a statement.

The reporter at the scene said The Oregonian had somehow gotten back on the family’s good side and was among those waiting outside to hear the prepared statement.

At shortly after 12:30, the family emerged from the church and Desiree Young gave a brief statement in which she implored Terri Moulton Horman to cooperate with investigators. She also said the family believes Kyron is still alive. Check out the video with KATU’s coverage here.

 

[Kokos Cat]

Email memo from KH to his colleagues:

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2.       Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

I suspect he went to the Intel legal department to get details on divorce and custody, JMO. 

And again, two days after Kyron's disappearance he is banishing the media. 
 

[Puzzler]

What did Stanton mean when he said: What we once suspected, we no longer suspect?

Thoughts?

Puzzler:

Question: When was this?  Was this way back when Staton said something about the final outcome would be shocking?  Or, this a new statement that I may have missed? 

When was the last time LE spoke about Kyron?  I'm a little out of the loop, lately,

Many TIA,

Great work, Monkeys! 

 

Kokos:

LE last spoke about Kyron - first part of December - Stanton said they're not ready to arrest or indict and may not be even in February...maybe be ready to name a suspect.

The time I'm talking about, though, I believe was Sept. 16 - what we once suspected, we no longer suspect; we need concrete evidence; we have found out about things we wish we hadn't found; we know things we wish we didn't know about; in the end I think you'll be surprised (words to that effect).

[Puzzler]

Email memo from KH to his colleagues:

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below).  While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching.  Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1.       Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2.       Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details.  He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am.  We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found.  The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school.  It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted.  Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return.  I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon.  At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.

I suspect he went to the Intel legal department to get details on divorce and custody, JMO. 

And again, two days after Kyron's disappearance he is banishing the media. 
 

Kokos:

At the time Kaine wrote the email to Intel employees and told them not to talk to the press was early Sunday morning after the Friday Kyron went missing.  This had nothing to do about the divorce or custody, as that didn't come up until a month later.

[hellokitty]

 

Intel lawyers know just about as much about divorce and custody issues as what any of us do.  those are corporate lawyers and intellectual property lawyers and other stuff that I probably can't even guess lawyers.

But divorce and custody-not a chance.  They protect Intel and do Intl's issues, whatever they are

[hellokitty]

 

where does it say that Kaine didn't know that Kyron was going to Desiree's that weekend?

[klaasend]

Starting a new thread for this....

Amber Alert issued for boy taken from Port Townsend home

http://www.katu.com/news/local/112546744.html