Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 - 1/01/11

[klaasend]

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Kaine, Desiree and Tony are anything other than VICTIMS in this case.  At SM we do not bash the victims. 

LE is clearly targeting Terri for good reason.  She may have had assistance and may not have intended to harm Kyron but she is obviously the focus of LE and the grand jury. 

[sassifrass]

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Kaine, Desiree and Tony are anything other than VICTIMS in this case.  At SM we do not bash the victims. 

LE is clearly targeting Terri for good reason.  She may have had assistance and may not have intended to harm Kyron but she is obviously the focus of LE and the grand jury. 

ITA! Thanks Klaas. 

[Tracygirl]

Dogonnit!  SM used to be a place where you could speak/post your mind about any person related to the subject you were on.  If there is a child missing or anyone for that matter then I feel anyone connected to that person is fair game!  If they are innocent then there isn't anything to worry about.  Nothing wrong with throwing out a theory no matter how unpopular or if it appears to be taking a side as long as we are obeying the Monkey rules!  Before any facts came out it was okay to speculate so why not now?  No Monkey should get upset if someone wants to hypothesize about the possibility of KH being involved in Kyrons disappearance.  It's just conversation between people gathered at a wonderful spot wishing more than anything this child had never gone through this.  We all have the common goal of bringing Ky home and if one wants to look at a parent then they should be able to do so without hurting a friends feelings.  It's never meant to.  Just simple discussion.  I do believe no stone should go unturned where there is a missing child. 

I totally agree with you. My post was more sarcastic because to be honest, the whole thing is getting tiring. Same comments made by the same people over the same things. Things stated as fact when the only fact known is we don't have facts. People are taking things personally about people they don't know and that is on both sides. I don't know Terri, I have no idea what she is capable of or not. I don't know Kaine, have no idea what he is capable or not. I think that can be said to each person posting on this thread.

[Tracygirl]

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Kaine, Desiree and Tony are anything other than VICTIMS in this case.  At SM we do not bash the victims. 

LE is clearly targeting Terri for good reason.  She may have had assistance and may not have intended to harm Kyron but she is obviously the focus of LE and the grand jury. 

Just to clarify, as a member of this forum I need to feel someone is a victim if I don't feel they are a victim because others have determined them to be a victim? 

[sassifrass]

This Monkey is moving on down the road.  I'm a bonafide lurker.

[Tracygirl]

I also thought it odd there were no kid toys in the yard, sandbox, swing set, whatever. But I grew up without that in the yard, and didn't seem to mind. I had to look up feng shui because I never heard of that. My style of decorating is what I like to call schizophrenic/eclectic, and I really like it, but I suppose some might think some weird thoughts about it all. I just throw stuff together and make it work. I don't think that I've ever discussed this topic when following a case. I might have thought, the house and yard look like pigs live there, or the house and yard look well kept, but that was it.

lol that was cute.

[Monkey King]

Ha-ha, Sassi, swing by and get me!

[Monkey King]

Has RS's family showed up at all or are they still missing?

[Tracygirl]

I kept going over Kyron's case in my head last night as I was trying to get to sleep. I kept wondering why Terri has not been arrested if LE is so sure that she committed this crime. Then I realized that there is not a body. It could be really really tricky trying to convict Terri without a body. Houze would have a field day with that. I keep going back to Terri stating that Kyron was having "mini seizures", spacing out, etc. I wonder if Kyron was slowly being poisoned?

I think they need a body with DNA evidence or a confession to charge anyone at this point because it seems there are no witnesses to what happened to Kryon.
If John Gardner hadn't confessed we would have never found Amber but if we found her by chance, was there anything to gather DNA from at the stage she was in when found? That is what scares me the most in this case. IF he is no longer alive will he ever be found and if so, would they be able to link someone to it?

[Tracygirl]

Has RS's family showed up at all or are they still missing?

To be honest I am not sure if he was linked directly to the woman and kids that are missing. Blink has a lot posted on it I think. Does anyone know if a direct link had been found and the missing woman and children are in fact RS's?

[Puzzler]

Interesting comments from Blinks. I can't keep up over there so I appreciate the update on the latest and greatest.

HK I do recall that article. He said he was making small talk because Terri was working around the yard at the time. Not sure if that is what prompted the conversation or not.

I can't imagine having to keep up with that yard My last house was on 1/2 acre and we had 3 big oak trees, and I couldn't keep up with it.......prolly the reason I have sand as a yard now, absolutely ZERO maintenance. I appreciate BOC too, and the thoughtful and respectful way the posters treat each other.

And....Terri had Kiara...an infant to watch out for at the same time.

[Lazydog1]

IIRC, there was a picture on TH's FB page showing like, I want to say 3 blueberry(?) bushes, I believe she stated something to the effect that this area was cleared out and they kept these 3 bushes. If someone has access to this, would you please post it? TIA.
If the yard was showing improvement- as in ongoing clearing, unless KH was stupid, how would he imagine major land clearing was getting done?
By TH alone? Kaine keeps pulling the "I didn't know", "I wasn't aware", "I didn't see" disassociation game.
For some reason, RS's wife took the kids and left. It's possible KH set this up. Get TH in a bad spot with RS (or MC for that matter) and pay him and his wife to get Kyron out of the area. The MFH scenario led to a great distraction. Kaine's all about money. He doesn't want to pay Terri. If you were a guy and wanted to keep your kids, house and not pay any money to your soon to be ex, how would you go about protecting your interests?

Monkey King this surprises me that you posted this without stating this is your opinion. To state what you did that was BBM as if it is fact without a link. I haven't seen a fact based statement anywhere that RS's wife took the kids and left. Also where does it state that Kaine kept custody of Kyron so he wouldn't have to pay child support and that is why he wants to have custody of Kiara. From what I have seen in the pictures of Kyron he is an awesome child who would be a joy to live with. Why can't that be the reason that Kaine wanted to keep custody of him. It is possible his Father wanted to have his son with him as much as possible.
Kiara looks like a total little sweetheart and again that is his little girl. She has to have a special place in his heart.

I enjoy reading what you write. You are very intelligent and unlike me able to not be emotionally involved but this was said as a clear statement of fact. JMO

[Lazydog1]

This Monkey is moving on down the road.  I'm a bonafide lurker.

Sassifrass I really enjoy reading your posts. You don't really take sides but research things before posting about them. We need your expertise on this forum. I will miss your posts if you decide to become a lurker.

[Lazydog1]

Seriously the blackberry clearing is what I did this summer and fall. Yes they are vicious plants that like to scratch and attack us. I am alot older than TH and I was out there chopping and pulling and spraying to get rid of them. Yes I am a woman. It can be done by a woman. The advantage is you don't have to do it all in one day. She has one advantage over me she has plenty of room to pile them up and light them on fire. I have to load them up and haul them away. Some people actually burn them where they stand if they can do it safely. It is hard work but I am proof it can be done. Still have another area to attack and kill them. The problem is if your neighbors don't clear them then the birds will eat the berries and spread the seeds. Then they grow back like crazy everywhere.

[Lazydog1]

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that Kaine, Desiree and Tony are anything other than VICTIMS in this case.  At SM we do not bash the victims. 

LE is clearly targeting Terri for good reason.  She may have had assistance and may not have intended to harm Kyron but she is obviously the focus of LE and the grand jury. 

Glad to have you back. I hope you had a wonderful visit with your beautiful Grand daughter and an awesome Christmas.

[Tracygirl]

Seriously the blackberry clearing is what I did this summer and fall. Yes they are vicious plants that like to scratch and attack us. I am alot older than TH and I was out there chopping and pulling and spraying to get rid of them. Yes I am a woman. It can be done by a woman. The advantage is you don't have to do it all in one day. She has one advantage over me she has plenty of room to pile them up and light them on fire. I have to load them up and haul them away. Some people actually burn them where they stand if they can do it safely. It is hard work but I am proof it can be done. Still have another area to attack and kill them. The problem is if your neighbors don't clear them then the birds will eat the berries and spread the seeds. Then they grow back like crazy everywhere.

I think I have lost track of why this is being discussed. Is it being speculated that perhaps this is where she met RS from?

[Puzzler]

I also thought it odd there were no kid toys in the yard, sandbox, swing set, whatever. But I grew up without that in the yard, and didn't seem to mind. I had to look up feng shui because I never heard of that. My style of decorating is what I like to call schizophrenic/eclectic, and I really like it, but I suppose some might think some weird thoughts about it all. I just throw stuff together and make it work. I don't think that I've ever discussed this topic when following a case. I might have thought, the house and yard look like pigs live there, or the house and yard look well kept, but that was it.

"Most" people are not good at home decorating.  Not in a "design" fashion.  Most people decorate their house to please themselves and don't go to design school or have a natural talent for it.

But are we saying that Terri did it because she's a bad decorator - that because she's not balanced in design that she's not balanced in life? 

[Puzzler]

What do you all think about having two separate threads for the 2 differing opinions. One thread is about Terri did it, the other is an alternate theory thread. I think that is the only way each side can freely discuss without being insulting to the other.

TG: There is an alternate theory thread, and I think it's a fabulous idea!    Maybe post those in that thread? Of course it would be up to Klaas and the moderators. Maybe use this thread for conversations on newly released pressers and sleuthing facts, and the other for the speculations? Just thinking. I don't want posters to leave. Kyron needs them.

Are you saying that "this" thread is the "Terri did it" thread?  Wow, just wow!?!

If  you're wanting a pressers/facts thread...why not set up a thread for that.  Of course, then you couldn't say Terri did it - because at this point that would be "speculation".  It's not "fact" that Terri did it - the "fact" is that LE is not ready to make an arrest or an indictment.  Stanton told us that.  He also said they might not be ready come February and that this might take many more months of investigation.

IMO, Staton is giving us a clue that there are other people that are being looked at and developing leads on. 

[Puzzler]

What do you all think about having two separate threads for the 2 differing opinions. One thread is about Terri did it, the other is an alternate theory thread. I think that is the only way each side can freely discuss without being insulting to the other.

NO - we already have other threads that can be used for that.  From my vantage point the Terri may not be responsible team are in full swing and slinging insults as readily as the other side.  No separate threads.  Both sides should be able to discuss without insulting in one thread.    

Klaas - TY

[Monkey King]

LD- I'm not stating anything as fact except this- there has been one distraction after another when it came to looking at TH. We had the failed poluygraph, the MFH plot, the failed sting, the juicy sexting with MC, the alcoholic allegations, we even heard of TH being in a porno, TH and DS getting it on, KH and TH being swingers and the alleged affair between TH and RS. Discussing ANY of these issues are permissable- why? What about the sexts coming and going from the phone number given by Kaine as his contact number- yet Terri was sexting MC to that number? At some point someone has to say enough is enough, where is Kyron?