Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #40 1/01/11 - 1/18/11

[Puzzler]

Every time we talk about "finding Kyron", I remember (with much sadness) Stanton's comments in the 12/4/10 interview:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html

"That six-hour window -- a lot was lost," Staton said. "That's still frustrating to me because I think that's one of the things that really hurt. That six hours ... I wish we could regain those six hours."

[Tracygirl]

Off to bed and no not with Dede's father as I am not Dedes mother, lol, sorry but that is just too funny. "see" you all later.

[nurseratchett]

I read and post almost everywhere, yes on FB since the beginning. I do NOT personally know any of the players. I have not even met any of the FB posters yet, but several people have met each other, and several people in that group and others from FB are instrumental in many of the "pro Kyron" activities such as The Wall of Hope, The Ribbons, the origami birds, the fund raisers, Ebay, and the Foundation. As these efforts have taken more and more of their time, some only post rarely now, but they have pretty much been the same group of supporters that started in the beginning on FB.

As far as Tom, he's the real deal, incredibly saddened at Kyrons and his families circumstances, and incredibly hurt and dissapointed to know what he knows. His life, for being as young as he is, has been beset with many trials and tribulations. He is a lot smarter than many think by reading his posts.

Chanas info posted on the FB Anti TH site is accurate, and not made up.

[sebastian]

Thanks for the response Puzzler and it makes sense. I guess for me it just bugs the heck out of me that Terri flunked the poly ALLEGEDLY and DeDe refused one ALLEGEDLY. Neither party has been out looking for the cute innocent little 7 year old boy named Kyron THAT WE KNOW OF. Where I get boggled up is that Terri is not a genius and either is DeDe. Terri should have been smart enough not to be sexting to her husbands high school friend right after her step-son went missing. DeDe has had friends posting all over the net on her behalf. Again, not smart at all. DeDe should have come out of the Grand Jury looking shaken and sullen but no, she is a smug bug and it made her look guilty of something. Again, STUPID STUPID STUPID. I truly think that Terri is a spoiled rotten self-centered person. That boggles this up for me too. She could be innocent and is so self-involved that sexting to her after her step-son disappears is a non-issue. After all, she has needs and wants and it is ALL ABOUT HER. I would just like to think that Kaine and Desiree and all of the 40+ law enforecement agencies on this case have not had tunnel vision. Why aren't the parents asking for the perp to return their child? Pleading in the media? Because they believe that there is only one perp, Terri. I don't know. There are so many variables and these players are beyond the norm. I guess anything is possible. I just feel it was Terri and DeDe, at least right now.

[sebastian]

Off to bed and no not with Dede's father as I am not Dedes mother, lol, sorry but that is just too funny. "see" you all later.

Tracy girl

[Tracygirl]

Every time we talk about "finding Kyron", I remember (with much sadness) Stanton's comments in the 12/4/10 interview:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html

"That six-hour window -- a lot was lost," Staton said. "That's still frustrating to me because I think that's one of the things that really hurt. That six hours ... I wish we could regain those six hours."

In six hours he could have traveled very far. That is a scary thought....

[Puzzler]

Thanks for the response Puzzler and it makes sense. I guess for me it just bugs the heck out of me that Terri flunked the poly ALLEGEDLY and DeDe refused one ALLEGEDLY. Neither party has been out looking for the cute innocent little 7 year old boy named Kyron THAT WE KNOW OF. Where I get boggled up is that Terri is not a genius and either is DeDe. Terri should have been smart enough not to be sexting to her husbands high school friend right after her step-son went missing. DeDe has had friends posting all over the net on her behalf. Again, not smart at all. DeDe should have come out of the Grand Jury looking shaken and sullen but no, she is a smug bug and it made her look guilty of something. Again, STUPID STUPID STUPID. I truly think that Terri is a spoiled rotten self-centered person. That boggles this up for me too. She could be innocent and is so self-involved that sexting to her after her step-son disappears is a non-issue. After all, she has needs and wants and it is ALL ABOUT HER. I would just like to think that Kaine and Desiree and all of the 40+ law enforecement agencies on this case have not had tunnel vision. Why aren't the parents asking for the perp to return their child? Pleading in the media? Because they believe that there is only one perp, Terri. I don't know. There are so many variables and these players are beyond the norm. I guess anything is possible. I just feel it was Terri and DeDe, at least right now.

Good word to use:  allegedly....don't see that being used lately.

[Puzzler]

Off to bed and no not with Dede's father as I am not Dedes mother, lol, sorry but that is just too funny. "see" you all later.

Goodnight, TG

[sebastian]

I read and post almost everywhere, yes on FB since the beginning. I do NOT personally know any of the players. I have not even met any of the FB posters yet, but several people have met each other, and several people in that group and others from FB are instrumental in many of the "pro Kyron" activities such as The Wall of Hope, The Ribbons, the origami birds, the fund raisers, Ebay, and the Foundation. As these efforts have taken more and more of their time, some only post rarely now, but they have pretty much been the same group of supporters that started in the beginning on FB.

As far as Tom, he's the real deal, incredibly saddened at Kyrons and his families circumstances, and incredibly hurt and dissapointed to know what he knows. His life, for being as young as he is, has been beset with many trials and tribulations. He is a lot smarter than many think by reading his posts.

Chanas info posted on the FB Anti TH site is accurate, and not made up.

Thanks Nurse,
I am going to try and put this delicately. Do you believe everything that Tom has posted? I don't want to come out and say it. So, I will put it this way. Have you read all of his posts on facebook and do you believe all of it? It was something that he said about Terri and DeDe and a third person that made sense to me and that is what made me get off of the fence about Terri.

[Puzzler]

Thanks for the response Puzzler and it makes sense. I guess for me it just bugs the heck out of me that Terri flunked the poly ALLEGEDLY and DeDe refused one ALLEGEDLY. Neither party has been out looking for the cute innocent little 7 year old boy named Kyron THAT WE KNOW OF. Where I get boggled up is that Terri is not a genius and either is DeDe. Terri should have been smart enough not to be sexting to her husbands high school friend right after her step-son went missing. DeDe has had friends posting all over the net on her behalf. Again, not smart at all. DeDe should have come out of the Grand Jury looking shaken and sullen but no, she is a smug bug and it made her look guilty of something. Again, STUPID STUPID STUPID. I truly think that Terri is a spoiled rotten self-centered person. That boggles this up for me too. She could be innocent and is so self-involved that sexting to her after her step-son disappears is a non-issue. After all, she has needs and wants and it is ALL ABOUT HER. I would just like to think that Kaine and Desiree and all of the 40+ law enforecement agencies on this case have not had tunnel vision. Why aren't the parents asking for the perp to return their child? Pleading in the media? Because they believe that there is only one perp, Terri. I don't know. There are so many variables and these players are beyond the norm. I guess anything is possible. I just feel it was Terri and DeDe, at least right now.

There's a "reason" this case is so well-known and has so many followers:  because it's a total mess and every question has multiple answers.  Pardon my French - but it's all screwed up.  You know the kind of cases: Caylee Anthony, Natalee Holloway.

[Puzzler]

Sebastian -
What did Tom say about TH, DD and a 3rd person that made you get off the fence about Terri?

[nurseratchett]

I have read EVERYTHING Tom has written. At GLP, FB and one other board. I am curious too, like Puzzler, as to what changed your mind?  I believe Tom believes everything he has written, and that his info comes from sources better than mine.

[sebastian]

I have read EVERYTHING Tom has written. At GLP, FB and one other board. I am curious too, like Puzzler, as to what changed your mind?  I believe Tom believes everything he has written, and that his info comes from sources better than mine.

I don't want to upset Klaas which is why I am trying to tiptoe around this. So, there are three parties. One party tires of the other two because they have gained weight. The other two are feeling rejected and one is feeling especially put upon because that party has to take care of one of the parties children. The two rejected parties plot and plan revenge. Their anger towards said party manifests itself into rediculous proportions. They feed off of each other. One party is not particularly fond of men to begin with and the other has always used them to get what she wants. The rejection is overwhelming. What would be the perfect way to really hurt that third party? It just all sort of fell into place for me after reading this. It would also make sense that there was this bond formed between the two parties. They would protect this bond at all costs. Does any of this make sense? Klaas you can remove this if you want. I am trying to be tactful, but this is truly the reason that I think Terri and DeDe did this.

[Puzzler]

I have read EVERYTHING Tom has written. At GLP, FB and one other board. I am curious too, like Puzzler, as to what changed your mind?  I believe Tom believes everything he has written, and that his info comes from sources better than mine.

Nurse,

First, I admit that all this with CBS is still a little confusing to me.

What I'm getting out of it so far is that Chana has outted CBS for her lies about being in contact with LE.

Tom says he and Chana have had many contacts with CBS and that all that information is going to be outted in the next few days.

I get the feeling that it's to let us all know how DD and TH have acted according to CBS and that the goal is to show us all how bad these women have acted about this case.

What I don't get is:  if CBS has been outted for lying about LE,  "why" would you believe anything else she has to say, including "her interputation" of how DD and TH have acted?  TIA

[Tamikosmom]

I haven't seen any emails where Terri expresses hatred for Kyron.
I read the one where her perception was way off IMO where she complains about the 30K she once had and how she did everything.
What would tip me over is : Her mental health issues in the past, if anything was ever diagnosed and if any meds were ever taken for it. The divorce lawyer has asked for those records as part of the assessment for visitaiton / custody and I wonder if when and if those records are ever provided, they would become public ?

He says.  She says.

Janet

+++++

E-mail: Terri accuses Kaine of being overbearing
Story Published: Nov 15, 2010 at 11:47 PM PST
Story Updated: Nov 16, 2010 at 12:55 PM PST

PORTLAND, Ore. - Two months before Kyron Horman disappeared from his elementary school, his stepmother, Terri Horman, told a friend in at least one e-mail that her husband, Kaine Horman, was overbearing.

In the April 6 e-mail obtained by KATU News, Terri writes the following about Kaine: “I have to ask him before I go out to meet anyone. I have no money because I stayed home with Kyron at birth since his natural mom wouldn't - spent all of my 30k to do so. …

“I am The one who was able to get him glasses (I noticed at 6 months when I was working with him but Kaine wouldn't go in to a doc until he was 2 years - yeah - he's farsighted 750)). He's on me about being fat. Wants me to do another show. Makes me pay $1000 a month to him for bills although it's my child support and unemployment. I do all the yard work, house work, mowing the lawn, cleaning the gutters.”

http://www.katu.com/news/local/108352154.html


Terri Moulton Horman: Kyron Horman's stepmother is a profile in contradictions
Published: Thursday, August 19, 2010, 10:30 PM
Updated: Monday, October 04, 2010, 7:38 AM

[Puzzler]

I have read EVERYTHING Tom has written. At GLP, FB and one other board. I am curious too, like Puzzler, as to what changed your mind?  I believe Tom believes everything he has written, and that his info comes from sources better than mine.

I don't want to upset Klaas which is why I am trying to tiptoe around this. So, there are three parties. One party tires of the other two because they have gained weight. The other two are feeling rejected and one is feeling especially put upon because that party has to take care of one of the parties children. The two rejected parties plot and plan revenge. Their anger towards said party manifests itself into rediculous proportions. They feed off of each other. One party is not particularly fond of men to begin with and the other has always used them to get what she wants. The rejection is overwhelming. What would be the perfect way to really hurt that third party? It just all sort of fell into place for me after reading this. It would also make sense that there was this bond formed between the two parties. They would protect this bond at all costs. Does any of this make sense? Klaas you can remove this if you want. I am trying to be tactful, but this is truly the reason that I think Terri and DeDe did this.

No, it's ridiculous.  One of Tom's postings while he's upset and on a roll IMO.  I don't think Tom is a liar.  I do think he's blessed with a very active imagination and that imagination comes flowing out of his fingertips.

[Puzzler]

No misunderstandings - not Sebastian is ridiculous....Tom's posting is.

[Tamikosmom]

(continued)

At the gym, Terri complained to friends that Kaine didn't pay much attention to her and criticized her weight gain after having Kiara. Kaine denies ever complaining about her weight, saying she was the one who brought it up.

"She was always being critical of herself and I got tired of listening to it," he said. "She would complain about it and I would tell her, 'You know that I don't care what you look like. It's who you are that's important. Your weight doesn't have any bearing on how I feel about you.'"

Terri also told friends that Kaine tried to control her spending.

"Controlling with my money — yeah," Kaine said, "because she was spending all of it. She was going out and spending it like water and not checking with me where we should be spending our money."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

[sebastian]

I have read EVERYTHING Tom has written. At GLP, FB and one other board. I am curious too, like Puzzler, as to what changed your mind?  I believe Tom believes everything he has written, and that his info comes from sources better than mine.

I don't want to upset Klaas which is why I am trying to tiptoe around this. So, there are three parties. One party tires of the other two because they have gained weight. The other two are feeling rejected and one is feeling especially put upon because that party has to take care of one of the parties children. The two rejected parties plot and plan revenge. Their anger towards said party manifests itself into rediculous proportions. They feed off of each other. One party is not particularly fond of men to begin with and the other has always used them to get what she wants. The rejection is overwhelming. What would be the perfect way to really hurt that third party? It just all sort of fell into place for me after reading this. It would also make sense that there was this bond formed between the two parties. They would protect this bond at all costs. Does any of this make sense? Klaas you can remove this if you want. I am trying to be tactful, but this is truly the reason that I think Terri and DeDe did this.

No, it's ridiculous.  One of Tom's postings while he's upset and on a roll IMO.  I don't think Tom is a liar.  I do think he's blessed with a very active imagination and that imagination comes flowing out of his fingertips.

Follow the dots. There was a statement made that "I will not be held hostage by this event", etc etc. Then there were the ALLEGED emails that Terri sent to ??? complaining about Kyron. What else was she complaining about? Was she complaining about something else that was news to Desiree? Something that made Desiree turn? It seems to me that the emails must have alluded to something else besides Terri hating Kyron. Desiree was not happy at all.

[Puzzler]

Clearify:  Tom's posting is what he "thinks".  He has no proof.  The way I read his posts is that he posts his suspicions as if they're truth.  They're not.  If you think about it, he has no proof of any of this.  Rank speculation.