Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #40 1/01/11 - 1/18/11

[Tracygirl]

I still can't wrap my head around how TH could be so stupid to sext with a friend of KH when her computer and phones would be of interest to LE to find out what happened to Kyron.

Or to complain about Kyron and Kaine right before Kyron goes missing! Even if Terri is innocent, (which I highly doubt), the sexting sort of fits in with her personality. It is all about her and her needs. If she was really sick and tired of Kyron, his going missing may not have rocked her world. Therefore, the texting would not be a big deal for her. She wanted to nab Kitty out of daycare, so why not sexually manipulate Michael Cook to help her? What would be really ironic, is if Terri is not guilty of this and her horrible behavior and indifference to her step-son being missing is what lands her in jail. She certainly has not acted like a grieving parent of ANY kind. Maybe she just does not have it in her.

Yep, yep...can't wrap my head around the sexting to MC, nor emails of hatred against Kyron, NOR why any other person would assist her in a kidnapping (or worse) of a little boy.  Jail time!  Why? would someone help someone else do that?

Because they love her?

Could it be they didn't know at the time they were helping Terri cover up a crime but thought they were helping their friend who they believed was being wrongly accused? could they have offered up "something" to the friend to prove her whereabouts so the heat would be taken off?

What I was talking about was if Kyron didn't leave the school with Terri - then Kyron left with someone else - that person - why would that person help take Kyron away?

That is a different senario, I think my thinking fits with the receipt to allow for an alibi.

The answer I have ever been able to come upw with for your question is, if terri got someone to help her I would think that person would somehow personally gain from taking Kyron such as a pedo or a person who sells children on the blackmarket or believed they were helping him in some way such as a marter type of situation. Or I suppose they didn't know they were actually kidnapping Kyron. 

Is it true that Dede asked for immunity? If true, does that mean she has a hand in something, somehow and doesn't want to go to jail for it? 

[sebastian]

I still can't wrap my head around how TH could be so stupid to sext with a friend of KH when her computer and phones would be of interest to LE to find out what happened to Kyron.

Or to complain about Kyron and Kaine right before Kyron goes missing! Even if Terri is innocent, (which I highly doubt), the sexting sort of fits in with her personality. It is all about her and her needs. If she was really sick and tired of Kyron, his going missing may not have rocked her world. Therefore, the texting would not be a big deal for her. She wanted to nab Kitty out of daycare, so why not sexually manipulate Michael Cook to help her? What would be really ironic, is if Terri is not guilty of this and her horrible behavior and indifference to her step-son being missing is what lands her in jail. She certainly has not acted like a grieving parent of ANY kind. Maybe she just does not have it in her.

One thing about the texts is clear to me, Terri sounded so desperate for this man to like her. I mean she pulled out all of the stops to get to him. I wrote I felt almost embarrassed for her obvious lack of self worth. MC is no prize, no offense but he isn't. She knew it was Kaines friend so was she trying to get back at Kaine by going after his friend. Did she know that Kaine would learn of the sexts and that was a goal of hers? I would bet she was pretty pissed off at Kaine for taking the baby, by "causing" all of this trouble for her, was she trying to get back at him.

She wasn't thinking, which is what bothers me. I wonder if she is on and off some sort of medication? If she is so ingenius that she found a way to kidnap her step-son and get away with it so far, how come she was not smart enough to figure out that sexting to her husbands high school friend is not a good idea so shortly after her step-son disappeared?

[Tracygirl]

I still can't wrap my head around how TH could be so stupid to sext with a friend of KH when her computer and phones would be of interest to LE to find out what happened to Kyron.

Or to complain about Kyron and Kaine right before Kyron goes missing! Even if Terri is innocent, (which I highly doubt), the sexting sort of fits in with her personality. It is all about her and her needs. If she was really sick and tired of Kyron, his going missing may not have rocked her world. Therefore, the texting would not be a big deal for her. She wanted to nab Kitty out of daycare, so why not sexually manipulate Michael Cook to help her? What would be really ironic, is if Terri is not guilty of this and her horrible behavior and indifference to her step-son being missing is what lands her in jail. She certainly has not acted like a grieving parent of ANY kind. Maybe she just does not have it in her.

One thing about the texts is clear to me, Terri sounded so desperate for this man to like her. I mean she pulled out all of the stops to get to him. I wrote I felt almost embarrassed for her obvious lack of self worth. MC is no prize, no offense but he isn't. She knew it was Kaines friend so was she trying to get back at Kaine by going after his friend. Did she know that Kaine would learn of the sexts and that was a goal of hers? I would bet she was pretty pissed off at Kaine for taking the baby, by "causing" all of this trouble for her, was she trying to get back at him.

I remember reading posts that Terri had on her Facebook:  all I want for my birthday is a kiss from my husband. (I thought that sounded sad when I first read it.)

Yea I suppose if you read it that way it can show a lonely person, that is sad. When a marriage is falling apart it can really send people in all kinds of directions mentally. I really do think there is a back story that will come out that will not give a reason as to why Terri may have done this (if she is guilty) because there is no reason, but perhaps an explanation of sorts of events that lead to it. I just feel that is the case.

[Tracygirl]

I still can't wrap my head around how TH could be so stupid to sext with a friend of KH when her computer and phones would be of interest to LE to find out what happened to Kyron.

Or to complain about Kyron and Kaine right before Kyron goes missing! Even if Terri is innocent, (which I highly doubt), the sexting sort of fits in with her personality. It is all about her and her needs. If she was really sick and tired of Kyron, his going missing may not have rocked her world. Therefore, the texting would not be a big deal for her. She wanted to nab Kitty out of daycare, so why not sexually manipulate Michael Cook to help her? What would be really ironic, is if Terri is not guilty of this and her horrible behavior and indifference to her step-son being missing is what lands her in jail. She certainly has not acted like a grieving parent of ANY kind. Maybe she just does not have it in her.

One thing about the texts is clear to me, Terri sounded so desperate for this man to like her. I mean she pulled out all of the stops to get to him. I wrote I felt almost embarrassed for her obvious lack of self worth. MC is no prize, no offense but he isn't. She knew it was Kaines friend so was she trying to get back at Kaine by going after his friend. Did she know that Kaine would learn of the sexts and that was a goal of hers? I would bet she was pretty pissed off at Kaine for taking the baby, by "causing" all of this trouble for her, was she trying to get back at him.

She wasn't thinking, which is what bothers me. I wonder if she is on and off some sort of medication? If she is so ingenius that she found a way to kidnap her step-son and get away with it so far, how come she was not smart enough to figure out that sexting to her husbands high school friend is not a good idea so shortly after her step-son disappeared?

She had said something about Dede just brought her a drink, maybe she was drunk...I will say though, they are going to have to prove the texts were written by Terri. I would gather from the pics, lol, they could prove parts of her where there, lol. OMG sorry but those texts were crazy! I think I am blushing right now!

[sebastian]

Don't throw nanners at me but I am starting to buy into the whole DeDe has the hots for Terri scenario. I was re-reading JW's letter last night and he stated that Dede said that if it did not work out for them he would be the last MAN that she would date. Maybe JW took that as a huge compliment not realizing that she would just go back to girls. Anyways, I think that there was much more to the Terri and DeDe friendship. DeDe planned her last birthday event and DeDe stayed with her after Kaine left.

[sebastian]

Tracygirl,
Did they put the sexts online?

[Shell]

Tracygirl,
Did they put the sexts online?

I saw some texts, got the link somewhere here on SM...but I did not see any photos  and I am not sure I saw all the sexts.

[sebastian]

Does anyone know why that Krause woman on the Anti Terri page is copyrighting everything that she posts from Tom Jones? Is she planning on writing a book? For profit? He isn't Ghandi for crying out loud!

[sebastian]

Are you online Island Monkey? Isn't the Krause woman the person who owns a huge horse farm with some guy from M-E-X-I-C-O?

[Tracygirl]

Tracygirl,
Did they put the sexts online?

I saw some texts, got the link somewhere here on SM...but I did not see any photos  and I am not sure I saw all the sexts.

Yes there were on line. I can send you them if you want. No pics although plenty of talk of the pics that were taken...Wow that was one woman who was looking for attention from the man she was texting! Yikes! I can't understand why MC if not to upset Kaine.

[sebastian]

Tracygirl,
Did they put the sexts online?

I saw some texts, got the link somewhere here on SM...but I did not see any photos  and I am not sure I saw all the sexts.

Yes there were on line. I can send you them if you want. No pics although plenty of talk of the pics that were taken...Wow that was one woman who was looking for attention from the man she was texting! Yikes! I can't understand why MC if not to upset Kaine.

Can you give us the jist without going all porno on us, lol!

[islandmonkey]

Are you online Island Monkey? Isn't the Krause woman the person who owns a huge horse farm with some guy from M-E-X-I-C-O?

I could never figure that out....... but found a Janice E Krause that had a company in Virginia Equestrian area http://janalleather.com/About_Us.htm, I wonder if it's the same and think it is due to some connections, but again it was late and unvetted..... It was so late it and my mind was to boggled to vet much more and I was on the beach today, also she is copywritng Klaas post within those of TJ'er....



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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 -
« Reply #748 on: December 30, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on December 30, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
I will not allow it to continue here. If you want to investigate Kaine then do it someplace else.
And if that means there is no discussion until the time of either an arrest or the divorce hearing next week that is fine with me too.


tomjones
the real TJ
Dec 31, 2010 at 12:04pm
Maybe Klass was seeing how silly it was for her great site to be bashing the bio parents. All the other good places that have the power players talking about how messed up her site was looking for condoning such behaviour might have woke her up.
Dd told me her mother and her mothers best buddy and dd her self post there.
Dd said she posts there, but would only make a random comment or two.
BS! I'm sure once she started posting she kept on posting. Fly hangs her hat there too.
Now with those four women posting there I wonder how it got swayed into a Kaine hate fest???
Can you say diversion? Look over here and not at the truth!!!
They have been playing around in this from the start.
Come on! You have to know that dds parents are going to talk, they are as invisible as all the other posters that are using a fake avatar name.
It's all they can do to help their side and cause. Steer the conversation away from the two main POI and toward the people who accused them to the public.
The parents of T&D are most likely the ring leaders or at least very close to them.
It would be Fly like to deny it.

"Copyright Dec 31, 2010 by Janice Cerin Krause"

[Tracygirl]

I am blushing. Well she talked about a golfball a few times, lol, she took some pics, gave some details, yep that is all you get from me. lol.

[cw618]

sassifrass good eye
i see it, the man couldnt walk through, and the desks that you can
see in curtis pic, are back to back  see jpg, unless someone moved the desks
b4 the man came, which is doubtful, i think the pic was taken the day b4 too

sassifrass post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9159.msg1283208#msg1283208

pic #2 jpg source
http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/kyron-horman/23806039/detail.html
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klaas post
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9159.msg1283218#msg1283218

when uploading pics, the program for the device, cam,disk,Mcard
will always put the last pic you took, first in the folder, and most people
click the first pic in folder, then the next ect, to upload, maybe thats what
TH did, but without a time stamp, we cant know, but i bet LE does

[islandmonkey]

Are you online Island Monkey? Isn't the Krause woman the person who owns a huge horse farm with some guy from M-E-X-I-C-O?

I could never figure that out....... but found a Janice E Krause that had a company in Virginia Equestrian area http://janalleather.com/About_Us.htm, I wonder if it's the same and don't think it is due to some connections, but again it was late and unvetted..... It was so late it and my mind was to boggled to vet much more and I was on the beach today, also she is copywritng Klaas post within those of TJ'er....



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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 -
« Reply #748 on: December 30, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on December 30, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
I will not allow it to continue here. If you want to investigate Kaine then do it someplace else.
And if that means there is no discussion until the time of either an arrest or the divorce hearing next week that is fine with me too.


tomjones
the real TJ
Dec 31, 2010 at 12:04pm
Maybe Klass was seeing how silly it was for her great site to be bashing the bio parents. All the other good places that have the power players talking about how messed up her site was looking for condoning such behaviour might have woke her up.
Dd told me her mother and her mothers best buddy and dd her self post there.
Dd said she posts there, but would only make a random comment or two.
BS! I'm sure once she started posting she kept on posting. Fly hangs her hat there too.
Now with those four women posting there I wonder how it got swayed into a Kaine hate fest???
Can you say diversion? Look over here and not at the truth!!!
They have been playing around in this from the start.
Come on! You have to know that dds parents are going to talk, they are as invisible as all the other posters that are using a fake avatar name.
It's all they can do to help their side and cause. Steer the conversation away from the two main POI and toward the people who accused them to the public.
The parents of T&D are most likely the ring leaders or at least very close to them.
It would be Fly like to deny it.

"Copyright Dec 31, 2010 by Janice Cerin Krause"

I SOOOOOO need an edit button, think she in not due to connections....I need another nap LOL

[sebastian]

Are you online Island Monkey? Isn't the Krause woman the person who owns a huge horse farm with some guy from M-E-X-I-C-O?

I could never figure that out....... but found a Janice E Krause that had a company in Virginia Equestrian area http://janalleather.com/About_Us.htm, I wonder if it's the same and think it is due to some connections, but again it was late and unvetted..... It was so late it and my mind was to boggled to vet much more and I was on the beach today, also she is copywritng Klaas post within those of TJ'er....



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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 -
« Reply #748 on: December 30, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on December 30, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
I will not allow it to continue here. If you want to investigate Kaine then do it someplace else.
And if that means there is no discussion until the time of either an arrest or the divorce hearing next week that is fine with me too.


tomjones
the real TJ
Dec 31, 2010 at 12:04pm
Maybe Klass was seeing how silly it was for her great site to be bashing the bio parents. All the other good places that have the power players talking about how messed up her site was looking for condoning such behaviour might have woke her up.
Dd told me her mother and her mothers best buddy and dd her self post there.
Dd said she posts there, but would only make a random comment or two.
BS! I'm sure once she started posting she kept on posting. Fly hangs her hat there too.
Now with those four women posting there I wonder how it got swayed into a Kaine hate fest???
Can you say diversion? Look over here and not at the truth!!!
They have been playing around in this from the start.
Come on! You have to know that dds parents are going to talk, they are as invisible as all the other posters that are using a fake avatar name.
It's all they can do to help their side and cause. Steer the conversation away from the two main POI and toward the people who accused them to the public.
The parents of T&D are most likely the ring leaders or at least very close to them.
It would be Fly like to deny it.

"Copyright Dec 31, 2010 by Janice Cerin Krause"

I highly doubt that Klaas gave Ms. Janice permission to copyright her post!

[sebastian]

I am blushing. Well she talked about a golfball a few times, lol, she took some pics, gave some details, yep that is all you get from me. lol.

I knew you would blush Tracy, that is why I was joking with you about going porno on us, lol! I kept wondering what the golf ball references were all over facebook, lol!

[Tracygirl]

Are you online Island Monkey? Isn't the Krause woman the person who owns a huge horse farm with some guy from M-E-X-I-C-O?

I could never figure that out....... but found a Janice E Krause that had a company in Virginia Equestrian area http://janalleather.com/About_Us.htm, I wonder if it's the same and think it is due to some connections, but again it was late and unvetted..... It was so late it and my mind was to boggled to vet much more and I was on the beach today, also she is copywritng Klaas post within those of TJ'er....



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Re: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #39 12/24/10 -
« Reply #748 on: December 30, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »
Quote from: klaasend on December 30, 2010, 09:49:05 PM
I will not allow it to continue here. If you want to investigate Kaine then do it someplace else.
And if that means there is no discussion until the time of either an arrest or the divorce hearing next week that is fine with me too.


tomjones
the real TJ
Dec 31, 2010 at 12:04pm
Maybe Klass was seeing how silly it was for her great site to be bashing the bio parents. All the other good places that have the power players talking about how messed up her site was looking for condoning such behaviour might have woke her up.
Dd told me her mother and her mothers best buddy and dd her self post there.
Dd said she posts there, but would only make a random comment or two.
BS! I'm sure once she started posting she kept on posting. Fly hangs her hat there too.
Now with those four women posting there I wonder how it got swayed into a Kaine hate fest???
Can you say diversion? Look over here and not at the truth!!!
They have been playing around in this from the start.
Come on! You have to know that dds parents are going to talk, they are as invisible as all the other posters that are using a fake avatar name.
It's all they can do to help their side and cause. Steer the conversation away from the two main POI and toward the people who accused them to the public.
The parents of T&D are most likely the ring leaders or at least very close to them.
It would be Fly like to deny it.

"Copyright Dec 31, 2010 by Janice Cerin Krause"

So he is saying 4 of us are Dede, her mother, her mothers friend and whoever Fly was are all related to this? The 4 poster are not posting against Terri and questioning other things so must be Dede, her mom, her mom's friends. I would think he is pointing to maybe Puzzler, Maybe myself, maybe Sebastian, maybe monkey king and maybe Island Monkey?

Who are these "main players" he is talking about that was coming down on Klaas for "allowing" posters to have a different opinion and who are bringing down the site? Is that true Klaas? If you can't answer I understand, I am just curious is all.

[Puzzler]

It's sort of funny that Tom Jones thinks that DeDe and DeDe's Mom and the Mom's best friend are all posting here all the time.  He accuses posters GLP and SoCal's site, too, as being what he "thinks" they are based on an posting or two that puts his immagination into motion.  He's has to apologize, too, for making wrong assumptions. 

Klaas has told us several times that there are over a 1000 (believe I have that right) people wanting to get on SM and she doesn't have time to check them all out...and for DeDe and Mom and Friend to all be posting on here, they would have basically had to be posters long before the Kyron case came to be. 

I think it's just Tom's imagination running away with him.

[shy-monkey]

I still can't wrap my head around how TH could be so stupid to sext with a friend of KH when her computer and phones would be of interest to LE to find out what happened to Kyron.

Or to complain about Kyron and Kaine right before Kyron goes missing! Even if Terri is innocent, (which I highly doubt), the sexting sort of fits in with her personality. It is all about her and her needs. If she was really sick and tired of Kyron, his going missing may not have rocked her world. Therefore, the texting would not be a big deal for her. She wanted to nab Kitty out of daycare, so why not sexually manipulate Michael Cook to help her? What would be really ironic, is if Terri is not guilty of this and her horrible behavior and indifference to her step-son being missing is what lands her in jail. She certainly has not acted like a grieving parent of ANY kind. Maybe she just does not have it in her.

Yep, yep...can't wrap my head around the sexting to MC, nor emails of hatred against Kyron, NOR why any other person would assist her in a kidnapping (or worse) of a little boy.  Jail time!  Why? would someone help someone else do that?

I was trying to figure this out earlier and the best guesses I could come up with was

1. She somehow included the friend that helped in the story of why it happened in the first place . Like for instance say person A and B decided to plant a bunch of pot plants on land person B was an employee of. Person A's rage, resulting in death has nothing to do with that illegal activity but it's A's story so B is told the child found out and was planning on telling, which could potentially send us to prison forever, followed by a what should *we* do, I was just protecting *us* and claiming she was trying to scare not kill him.

2. Simply pick a name from the dumb and gullable friend catagory, call them up and feed them a bogus story like the accident happened when the child was again caught molesting a baby sibling. Then convince them to help out a friend. Some of TH's friends are under the impression that the definition of a proven fact = "because Terri told me", so finding a friend to help may have been easy.


I know those are pretty far out there but that's the best I could come up with after days of trying to figure out what kind of person would allow themselves put in a story like this.