Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #40 1/01/11 - 1/18/11

[Tracygirl]

The allegations that Kaine made about Terri wanting to harm Kiara. Does anyone know where those allegations came from? Did he have any exhibits attached to backup that allegation?

Do you mean from that article? The reporter said something like she wanted to kill Kiara or something like that. There were other things as well. Was any of that on the documents we read? I don't recall that, but maybe we didn't see all of them?

[Shell]

bye...will be back later when hopefully this is figured out, although I do not know why it is so pertinent at this time.

It isn't...just not anything else going on, but I should have learned from answering the other question tonight not to tread again LOL......I just thought facts should be stated as facts and opinion as such. Have we heard about any new searches, anywhere....I am getting incredibly discouraged.

I am just trying to figure all of this out the best way I know and that is to try to learn if my opinion holds up to what the facts and/or law is. sorry if I have upset anyone or made any monkeys yawn, lol. 

I have not read about other searches...

Aw Traceygirl, I never yawn at you...it was just too deep for this old brain and sometimes I have to step back.

[Tracygirl]

I do commend LE in this case, they have certainly not told anything to the public to jeopardize their case. I personally think they are sitting on a heap of evidence...and they are missing a body. I hate saying that. 

They have kept everything quiet. I hate to say it as well, but I don't think Kyron is alive either. I pray to God I am wrong and one day we will see him running into his mama's arms, please let that happen.

[Shell]

The allegations that Kaine made about Terri wanting to harm Kiara. Does anyone know where those allegations came from? Did he have any exhibits attached to backup that allegation?

Do you mean from that article? The reporter said something like she wanted to kill Kiara or something like that. There were other things as well. Was any of that on the documents we read? I don't recall that, but maybe we didn't see all of them?

That would be an interesting article to read for sure...saying she she wanted to harm Kiara

[sebastian]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

[Tracygirl]

bye...will be back later when hopefully this is figured out, although I do not know why it is so pertinent at this time.

It isn't...just not anything else going on, but I should have learned from answering the other question tonight not to tread again LOL......I just thought facts should be stated as facts and opinion as such. Have we heard about any new searches, anywhere....I am getting incredibly discouraged.

I am just trying to figure all of this out the best way I know and that is to try to learn if my opinion holds up to what the facts and/or law is. sorry if I have upset anyone or made any monkeys yawn, lol. 

I have not read about other searches...

Aw Traceygirl, I never yawn at you...it was just too deep for this old brain and sometimes I have to step back.

Oh good Shell thank you

[monchichi]

Something is wrong with the thought processes of Oregon lawmakers, IMO 

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/01/oregon_supreme_court_rules_that_simply_viewing_child_pornography_on_the_internet_isnt_illegal.html

"The Oregon Supreme Court ruled today that it’s not a crime to look at child pornography while surfing the Internet if none of the images are purposefully downloaded, printed out or paid for."

Ugh.  Really???? 

Oh wait, it says "Purposefully downloaded" so to me that means, if I search for something innocent enough and child porn pops up on my screen, then I am not commiting a crime. because I did not purposefully search for it.  Did I get that right?

The "purposefully downloaded" part is ridiculous IMO.  Seems like all any of them would have to is claim it was found accidentally, or any other excuse really, and they're free and clear.  If they're looking at child porn, I doubt that kind of fib would be difficult for them.  How's a court to prove otherwise.  Crazy stuff coming out of the court systems these days.

I wasn't really defending this new law, just trying to understand it.  Maybe I am being too sensitive but I feel like some of you jumped all over me for my interpretation of this law.  I really think lawmakers were not trying to give an out to pedophiles, I am sure they could tell if someone visited a site multiple times or different sites of the same nature. Anyway, it does seem to be off topic and I am done with that topic.

[mamacrazy30]

I hope that she can't get a thing if she is convicted.  Wouldn't that be the ultimate in a cosmic slap in the face for Kaine and Kyron.

Speaking of cosmic and karma and et all. What if Terri is guilty of the MFH plot but not guilty of taking Kyron? The MFH plot put her on LE's radar but some other perp swooped in on Kyron? I know, not likely. I still think Terri is guilty of something to do with Kyron's disappearance. I also think that she should have done everything to cooperate with LE if for no other reason to convince them of her innocence so that LE would leave her alone and go after the real perp. After all, she was Kyron's step-mom since he was very little and wouldn't her biggest concern be to find the real perp? She wouldn't want LE to spend all of their time and resources suspecting her if she knew it was in fact someone else would she? Shouldn't this have always been about what is good for Kyron and the search there of?

i have wondered that as well (BBM).  i have wondered what if/maybe the reason she won't talk (as far as where she was when Kyron went missing) was because at that time she was with somebody plotting/planning the MFH.  but like i said, its just my thought.

[Tracygirl]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

Shortly after Kyron vanished, Kaine served Terri with divorce papers and a restraining order. In the documents, he alleged that Terri tried to hire a hit man to kill him, that she was plotting to kill their toddler daughter, that she was having an inappropriate relationship with another man, and that she knew what happened to Kyron.

Ok, so lets check this out? I think the docs are here someplace. I don't recall it saying that about Kiara but maybe I somehow missed it.

[Shell]

Like I think I said before, when a guy you played with and grew up with goes and blows his parents brains all over the walls, then it opens ones mind to believing a lot of bad things are possible and attributed to seemingly nice/normal people.

[Joni97103]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

I saw something about this elsewhere - the Examiner isn't exactly the Oregonian, or even WW.  It has been surmised that the reporter meant to say "kidnap her daughter", from the day she visited the gym asking when Kaine would be in, and whomever proofread the story didn't catch it.  To my knowledge there has been no indication that she ever meant any harm to her daughter.

[sebastian]

Like I think I said before, when a guy you played with and grew up with goes and blows his parents brains all over the walls, then it opens ones mind to believing a lot of bad things are possible and attributed to seemingly nice/normal people.

I am so sorry Shell! What an awful thing!

[monchichi]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

Shortly after Kyron vanished, Kaine served Terri with divorce papers and a restraining order. In the documents, he alleged that Terri tried to hire a hit man to kill him, that she was plotting to kill their toddler daughter, that she was having an inappropriate relationship with another man, and that she knew what happened to Kyron.

Ok, so lets check this out? I think the docs are here someplace. I don't recall it saying that about Kiara but maybe I somehow missed it.

The articles written by people for that website are riddled with inaccuracies.  I would not be surprised if that is also incorrect.  I have never seen that stated in any other news article.  I think that would not have slipped by unnoticed by everyone.  I don't even bother reading there anymore, it usually just rehashes previously published articles.  MOO.

[sebastian]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

I saw something about this elsewhere - the Examiner isn't exactly the Oregonian, or even WW.  It has been surmised that the reporter meant to say "kidnap her daughter", from the day she visited the gym asking when Kaine would be in, and whomever proofread the story didn't catch it.  To my knowledge there has been no indication that she ever meant any harm to her daughter.

I have not been able to find anything else, so maybe you are correct and it is just more bad reporting.

[klaasend]

I do commend LE in this case, they have certainly not told anything to the public to jeopardize their case. I personally think they are sitting on a heap of evidence...and they are missing a body. I hate saying that. 

I do too Shell

[Shell]

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/kyron-horman-news-divorce-hearing-postponed-for-missing-boy-s-dad

According to this article "SHE WAS PLOTTING TO KILL HER DAUGHTER".

I saw something about this elsewhere - the Examiner isn't exactly the Oregonian, or even WW.  It has been surmised that the reporter meant to say "kidnap her daughter", from the day she visited the gym asking when Kaine would be in, and whomever proofread the story didn't catch it.  To my knowledge there has been no indication that she ever meant any harm to her daughter.

Kidnap and Kill are poles apart. Not just this instance, but many others, these proofreaders need to be fired.

[bebecat]

I'm sure we didn't ALL miss that little tidbit about wanting to kill the baby; that is the least reliable site that pretends to be a news site out there ,or one of them.

I am feeling very down about Kyron and justice, etc...I have thought about this case every day since June 5 and every night, when I go to sleep in my big comfortable bed, with my big comfortable cat, I think of Desiree and almost feel guilty for my own comfort. And then my brain goes back to what we've heard about that school on June 4th and won't stop, trying to think what could have happened. I think I've fallen asleep thinking about Kyron every night since.It is all just so mystifying and frustrating and can't imagine how the families and LE feel.

[Tracygirl]

Is the RO sealed?

Shell I know what you mean. I have my fair share of surprises with people. You just never know what someone is capable of. How many times do we read a person who knows a criminal say, "I had no idea they could do that" or "he/she is not that type of person". I sometimes think crazy people are the best actors on the planet.
I am sorry you had to go through that with your friend.

[starwynn]

(snipped with <3)

The latest story of the men who have been raping severely handicapped women is sickening. Someone found the images and reported to authorities.

OT:  Isn't that horrifying?  Ironically, I read that article last night.  Then I went in for jury duty today (gratefully, having been reading about poor Jonathan down here - I was all sorts of ready to sit on a jury), and the case that we were being chosen/not chosen for was another case like that.  Aggravated sexual assault on a mentally disabled person, apparently in a home, by a guy with teardrop tattoos, and other gang-association tattoos on his face and hands.  Ohhh brother.  Needless to say, I was not chosen to sit the jury when I expressed reluctance to give probation and no jail time if the suspect was found guilty of first-degree felonious aggravated sexual assault of a mentally handicapped person!

Now I see how people are getting out all the time on these charges. 

/rant over

[Shell]

 

I'm sure we didn't ALL miss that little tidbit about wanting to kill the baby; that is the least reliable site that pretends to be a news site out there ,or one of them.

I am feeling very down about Kyron and justice, etc...I have thought about this case every day since June 5 and every night, when I go to sleep in my big comfortable bed, with my big comfortable cat, I think of Desiree and almost feel guilty for my own comfort. And then my brain goes back to what we've heard about that school on June 4th and won't stop, trying to think what could have happened. I think I've fallen asleep thinking about Kyron every night since.It is all just so mystifying and frustrating and can't imagine how the families and LE feel.