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Author Topic: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 - 5/23/11  (Read 245765 times)
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« Reply #360 on: February 26, 2011, 11:58:22 PM »

TY puzzler

54 LOCATED VEHICLES AT LOCATION

i thought this note worthy too,thats 54 checked and 90+ to go
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wait I think I misread what you are saying. Are you agreeing that there are not enough cars for the people stated?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9317.msg1305559#msg1305559

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« Reply #361 on: February 27, 2011, 12:56:47 AM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???
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« Reply #362 on: February 27, 2011, 01:59:15 AM »

I keep thinking about Desiree giving out that specific info of LE now searching 11 miles east of Skyline school.  Since the last searches we know about were not east but NW of the school, I wonder if they gave a different direction to avoid lots of lucky lou's showing up in the vicinity.  But somehow I think the 11 miles away from the school could be true.

Has anyone taken a map and drawn a circle equal to 22 miles with the school being the center point?  I don't know how to do that but it would be most interesting to see if the line would go thru the area of the last 2 searches or places where they've searched on SI.

The other thing is has anyone tried to place Terri's route that day, street to street, from where we have learned she was at certain times.  That might be interesting to put together with an area 11 miles away from the school.

The only 2 times I recall are the truck being seen at 10:30am at Skyline and Germantown Rd {from a LE preser} and then the possible 911 call made from a person who witnessed the Horman truck {supposedly} sliding off the road into a ditch at 11am on SI after racing with another vehicle.
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« Reply #363 on: February 27, 2011, 11:58:59 AM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.
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« Reply #364 on: February 27, 2011, 12:07:35 PM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.



(snip)   The team of investigators assigned to the case includes an expert in information technology and a communications technology expert hired out of California to look over cell phone and cell tower data. There is also a behavioral psychologist helping in the case, Staton said.   (snip)

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/25/kyron-horman-investigation-gets-boost-fbi/


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« Reply #365 on: February 27, 2011, 12:47:50 PM »

Puzzler, thanks for the links you've provided recently. 

I just feel LE knows where they're going (at least I hope so) and just need to nail it down with solid evidence. imo.

Prayers for Kyron and his loved ones.   an angelic monkey
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« Reply #366 on: February 27, 2011, 03:11:45 PM »

 

my fear is that she had someone drive a cell phone over there and she did something totally different,  But hopefully, the driver would tell if that was the case.
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« Reply #367 on: February 27, 2011, 04:09:23 PM »



my fear is that she had someone drive a cell phone over there and she did something totally different,  But hopefully, the driver would tell if that was the case.

 
is it possible she might have "accidentally on purpose" left her cell phone in
another's car without telling him/her?
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« Reply #368 on: February 27, 2011, 04:52:14 PM »



my fear is that she had someone drive a cell phone over there and she did something totally different,  But hopefully, the driver would tell if that was the case.

 
is it possible she might have "accidentally on purpose" left her cell phone in
another's car without telling him/her?

Surely, anyone finding a cell phone that's not their would call the owner and let them know...if not, when all this came up about Kyron, I would hope that any person with any information at all would immediately have come forward - especially with all the information out in the news about Terris answers and the pings not matching up.  LE doesn't have to tell the truth and they could have told Terri her answers and the pings weren't matching up during a certain time period because they wanted to engage her in more conversation during that time.  I hope that's not the case.

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« Reply #369 on: February 27, 2011, 04:55:02 PM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

including bat phones or clean phones ... as they're called ... even cloned phones, if one was used ... FBI technology has the capability, like no other, to break into and track all the lines of communication ...
 
am wondering if ... a unidentifiable line to a suspect popped out and LE ... no locals anywhere ... didn't have the skill to "crack" and trace the line ...
 
FBI is looking at every single line of communication for every person identified that day ... betcha ... or ... they've identified certain individuals ... more likely ... and want to see where it leads and to whom ....
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« Reply #370 on: February 27, 2011, 04:58:48 PM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

Thanks Puzzler, You're a peach   

One thing I got out from Staton in that conference was I think everything they are doing is to:  "533 Short answer is yes, long answer is our obligation both as law enforcement investigators and district attorneys is to create a case that is provable in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt.

I think they believe this is doable and has as much to do with other/s involved as the initiator of the crime.  Detail exactly the electronics involved and prove the accomplice thru psychological profiling.

I read somewhere part of this could be about those throw-away phones.  They might tell the tale, eh?

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« Reply #371 on: February 27, 2011, 05:02:47 PM »

I think one thing that will be difficult for LE to determine is if it was Terri who had the phone. By her saying she was not where LE had said she was then to me it seems she is disputting it.
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« Reply #372 on: February 27, 2011, 05:05:45 PM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

including bat phones or clean phones ... as they're called ... even cloned phones, if one was used ... FBI technology has the capability, like no other, to break into and track all the lines of communication ...
 
am wondering if ... a unidentifiable line to a suspect popped out and LE ... no locals anywhere ... didn't have the skill to "crack" and trace the line ...
 
FBI is looking at every single line of communication for every person identified that day ... betcha ... or ... they've identified certain individuals ... more likely ... and want to see where it leads and to whom ....


Do you remember how many of these phones there were and did we learn who got them?  I think DS had one.
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« Reply #373 on: February 27, 2011, 05:16:16 PM »

I found this from the Hinky Meter:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/08/09/kyron-horman-case-did-dede-spichers-info-renew-ground-search/

" . . It has been reported that at least one of these friends testified that pre-paid cell phones were purchased by two or three of the friends for Terri and themselves to use so that their conversations would not be monitored. It is reported that false names were used to purchase at least three of the phones. MCSO has stated they can, indeed, track pre-paid phones, it will just take them a bit longer."
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« Reply #374 on: February 27, 2011, 05:18:21 PM »

Scandi, as I understand it, the experts are in addition to the FBI agents.


The experts are:

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

The local costs include experts hired for cell tower and cell phone expertise, a private behavioral specialist and an information technology specialist, he said.


Thanks Puzzler,  Reading that do you think the cell phone man and the IT specialist  are with the FBI?  It only specifies one of these people are private.  Also, what is an information technology specialist and what would they be concentrating on.  I have no idea ???

I believe I read that the cell phone and cell tower expert from CA was hired by the county; information technology specialist would concentrate on anything electronic computers, smartphones any electronic communication emails, texting, tweeting, etc.

including bat phones or clean phones ... as they're called ... even cloned phones, if one was used ... FBI technology has the capability, like no other, to break into and track all the lines of communication ...
 
am wondering if ... a unidentifiable line to a suspect popped out and LE ... no locals anywhere ... didn't have the skill to "crack" and trace the line ...
 
FBI is looking at every single line of communication for every person identified that day ... betcha ... or ... they've identified certain individuals ... more likely ... and want to see where it leads and to whom ....


Do you remember how many of these phones there were and did we learn who got them?  I think DS had one.

What I recall off the top of my head is that Houze's investigator advised Terri to get a clean phone so that she could talk with Houze.  Her girlfriends around her at the time had different carrier services and couldn't use their phones in Terri's rural area.
So the girlfriends got clean phones, too, and that was DeDe and the three other girlfriends that testified before the Grand Jury.
I'm sorry, but I can't remember their names.  If there were any others who obtained clean phones, I'm not aware of them. 

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« Reply #375 on: February 27, 2011, 05:54:03 PM »

This is what frustrates me more then anything in this case. We have threads and threads of cases of family involvement in the disappearance of children. It takes usually about a week, sometime a bit less, sometimes a bit more to figure out who is responsable. Just off the top of my head there are the Hailey Dunn and Zahra cases. In this case though, we have a long stream of agencies such as the FBI profilers and the FBI behavioral unit. What the hell is going on in this case? We have all of these small players, Terri, DeDe, a landscaper...Are these small people so darn smart to outwit all of these investigators?
I agree with puzzler, this is bigger then just Terri the portland housewife. I think she has a hand but they are not after the small fish but the big shark.

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« Reply #376 on: February 28, 2011, 11:57:13 AM »

I keep going back to the Sherriffs comment that they found out things they wished they hadn't...that we'd be surprised.

Terri and her friends must have made some associations that were very deplorable..and somehow I believe that intertwines into this crime.  If Terri was sadistic ..which I believe she was..that means she may have set up a scenario where Kyron was going to be used by someone to teach him a lesson.  Rather it was sexual or torture or the two combined IDK. 

She invited the vampire in..and she infact knew Kyron would pay the price. Who her cohorts are....that remains to be seen.  But she felt comfortable enough with her friendship with at least one individual to let them know she hated Kaine and Kyron and would like to see Kyron hurt in, as Desiree says, the worst possible way.  Those are not feelings most people would confess to a friend in an email, letter or even over the phone.  Terri must have felt very comfortable with those feelings and her friendship to disclose that to someone.

Did she hand him over to a pedo who murdered him or was that the plan all along?  I think that is part and parcel of what LE is trying to get at..they need all the peprs in this crime tried..and they need physical evidence.
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« Reply #377 on: February 28, 2011, 02:14:24 PM »

 

I think that it's a total rumor that Houze said to get a clean phone.

I imagine what happens is that TH calls and makes an appt to see him.  He is not some fly by night shyster.

I doubt if he plays games.  There is no need for a clean phone.  None.  There is no way he would be talking private stuff over the airwaves that can be picked up. 

I do wonder who she told that she hated Kyron
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« Reply #378 on: February 28, 2011, 05:33:56 PM »



I think that it's a total rumor that Houze said to get a clean phone.

I imagine what happens is that TH calls and makes an appt to see him.  He is not some fly by night shyster.

I doubt if he plays games.  There is no need for a clean phone.  None.  There is no way he would be talking private stuff over the airwaves that can be picked up. 

I do wonder who she told that she hated Kyron

I totally agree.  I believe (and I could be wrong!) that this bit about Houze telling her to get a clean phone originated with Dede or Flymonkey.  I don't believe she would be conveying important, incriminating, info to Houze over the phone.  If she was just calling him to make appts. or meet up with him somewhere, she would not need a "clean" phone.
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« Reply #379 on: March 01, 2011, 11:33:50 AM »

I keep going back to the Sherriffs comment that they found out things they wished they hadn't...that we'd be surprised.

Terri and her friends must have made some associations that were very deplorable..and somehow I believe that intertwines into this crime.  If Terri was sadistic ..which I believe she was..that means she may have set up a scenario where Kyron was going to be used by someone to teach him a lesson.  Rather it was sexual or torture or the two combined IDK. 

She invited the vampire in..and she infact knew Kyron would pay the price. Who her cohorts are....that remains to be seen.  But she felt comfortable enough with her friendship with at least one individual to let them know she hated Kaine and Kyron and would like to see Kyron hurt in, as Desiree says, the worst possible way.  Those are not feelings most people would confess to a friend in an email, letter or even over the phone.  Terri must have felt very comfortable with those feelings and her friendship to disclose that to someone.

Did she hand him over to a pedo who murdered him or was that the plan all along?  I think that is part and parcel of what LE is trying to get at..they need all the peprs in this crime tried..and they need physical evidence.
I keep thinking this as well.  That she gave him to someone knowing what he'd have to endure and with the promise that he'd never be found.  I think LE found out just what a monster she is.  Terry has always reminded me of Melissa Huckaby.  I can't explain why.  She just always has.
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