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« Reply #380 on: March 01, 2011, 03:38:26 PM »

All of the snow and rain of the past week is causing mudslides in the area.  I don't think conditions will be right for searching for a while.  But if there is evidence out there, maybe it will be uncovered.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Blizzard-for-Cascades-strong-wind-and-rain-in-Portland-Monday-117020328.html
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« Reply #381 on: March 01, 2011, 08:24:36 PM »

Bringing over two interesting posts from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-41/#comments


1.   Lea Conner says:
February 26, 2011 at 1:54 am
Part 1
mosaic says: February 24, 2011 at 4:55 pm
“I found this exchange very interesting:
“Commissioner Smith: ‘…I wanted to ask you that my assumptions are correct that we are on the right track.’
“Deputy District Attorney Underhill: ‘When you ask “right track,” I want to make sure I’m understanding what right track means.
“Commissioner: ‘By continuing to go forward with this investigation.’
“DA: ‘Absolutely, we are on the right track. Absolutely.’
http://www.kgw.com/news/Sheriff-to-update-latest-on-Kyron-Horman-investigation-116491183.html
“With his hesitation at the words “right track”, could the DDA be suggesting that the investigation has been following a dead end? It seems to reinforce that niggling feeling that the answer is not where we think it is.”
puzzled says: February 25, 2011 at 10:50 am
“These two statements represent the status of this case …
“…’It’s an extraordinary complicated investigation on a number of levels. That’s the bottom line,’ said Capt. Jason Gates with the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office.
“and Staton said …’It’s not an easy case and you know if it was an easy case we would have solved it months ago, that’s just it’
Blink says:
“‘on a number of levels’= more than one suspect B”
Add to this Capt. Jason Gate’s comment that suggests this investigation may become a cold case:
“One of Staton’s top aides, Capt. Jason Gates, told reporters Thursday that investigators hope to bring things to an end ‘either by solving the case or coming to a semi-conclusion by having done all that we can do.’”
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014319232_apusmissingoregonboy.html
The six agents who are joining the investigation are stationed in Portland, Ore. They are not from the Behavioral Analysis Unit in Quantico, Virginia.
The six Portland-based agents who are joining in the investigation will be working with the Kyron Horman Task Force. The task force has been working with FBI profilers since Kyron went missing.
Here’s where it gets interesting: Profilers from the Behavioral Analysis Unit made two trips to Oregon to assist in the Kyron Horman investigation: “They have twice been in Oregon to help with the case, once right after Kyron was reported missing and again late last month for several days, said Beth Anne Steele, a bureau spokeswoman.”
http://hosted2.ap.org/txdam/54828a5e8d9d48b7ba8b94ba38a9ef22/Article_2011-02-24-Missing%20Oregon%20Boy/id-ff6997a748ae464d9a625b315b189335
The most Oregon visit by FBI profilers late January 2011 as part of the Kyron Horman investigation coincides with the multi-agency manhunt for David Anthony Durham.
Law enforcement has never connected the two cases, even though the are around David Durham’s home was searched as part of the Kyron Horman investigation.
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2.   Lea Conner says:
February 26, 2011 at 1:56 am
Part 2
David Durham is accused of shooting a police officer on the Oregon Coast just before midnight on Sunday January 23, 2011. Monday night (January 24, 2011), “more than a dozen police cars, even an ambulance, raced down Sauvie Island Road and police set up a roadblock to Durham’s house.”
http://www.katu.com/news/114534899.html.
Prior to the shooting, David Durham told people that the FBI was “out to get him.”
http://www.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/cityregion/25842189-41/durham-police-fbi-lincoln-affidavit.csp
http://www.policeone.com/Fugitive/articles/3257196-Friends-Ore-officer-shooting-suspect-is-paranoid/
According to the criminal complaint filed in federal court, David Durham had been “selling off all his personal belongings, telling persons that he was going to travel to the Caribbean and live on an island there” in the three weeks prior to allegedly shooting a police officer in Lincoln County, Oregon. The Lincoln County Major Crimes Team recovered David Durham’s U.S. Passport, which indicated he had “traveled in the past to Thailand.”
“Neighbor Nancy Meyer told KGW-TV she heard him discuss delusions about aliens and Armageddon. One of his delusions focused on law enforcement. ‘He’s convinced the police are going to come and get him,’ Meyer told the TV station. ‘He’s packed his bags, and he’s ready to go in case Armageddon happens.’
“‘He had some bizarre behavior,’ co-worker Shauna Hendgen told the Oregon newspaper. ‘He thought people were out to get him.’ Her 17-year-old daughter, Hannah, said Durham was deeply upset by the end of a relationship with his girlfriend. She added that Durham thought the police and the FBI were out to get him.”
http://www.policeone.com/Fugitive/articles/3257196-Friends-Ore-officer-shooting-suspect-is-paranoid/
The following text previously appeared on America’s Most Wanted (since removed):
“…through the course of their investigation, investigators learned Durham may not be traveling alone.”
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=76367
Previously referenced in post here:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-17/#comment-1663734
Either this is one big coincidence, or the searches on Dixie Mountain at the end of January 2011 had something to do with the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit’s concerns in relation to David Anthony Durham.
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« Reply #382 on: March 01, 2011, 08:34:30 PM »

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« Reply #383 on: March 01, 2011, 08:37:19 PM »

I keep going back to the Sherriffs comment that they found out things they wished they hadn't...that we'd be surprised.

Terri and her friends must have made some associations that were very deplorable..and somehow I believe that intertwines into this crime.  If Terri was sadistic ..which I believe she was..that means she may have set up a scenario where Kyron was going to be used by someone to teach him a lesson.  Rather it was sexual or torture or the two combined IDK. 

She invited the vampire in..and she infact knew Kyron would pay the price. Who her cohorts are....that remains to be seen.  But she felt comfortable enough with her friendship with at least one individual to let them know she hated Kaine and Kyron and would like to see Kyron hurt in, as Desiree says, the worst possible way.  Those are not feelings most people would confess to a friend in an email, letter or even over the phone.  Terri must have felt very comfortable with those feelings and her friendship to disclose that to someone.

Did she hand him over to a pedo who murdered him or was that the plan all along?  I think that is part and parcel of what LE is trying to get at..they need all the peprs in this crime tried..and they need physical evidence.

Hi GypsyDD,  I've often had the same thoughts as you about TH 'letting the vampire in'.  It could be a reason Kyron didn't want to go back to Portland  It could explain so many things, the seemingly 'Rock Star' lifestyle enjoyed in the Horman household {as we have read}.  That comes from early comments following articles on the case, so not confirmable.  It just seems to fit what we have learned about TH.  With Kaine he has always been a victim so it is inappropriate to look at him with a closer eye at this point IMO. 





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« Reply #384 on: March 02, 2011, 01:37:21 AM »

Hello Monkeys,

Portland has been having such crazy weather . .  .perhaps  the mud slides, fallen trees and floods will only bring more people out to remote areas that might otherwise go unnoticed.

 snipped from KGW

"Debris tumbled onto Germantown Road and crews closed a stretch of the roadway Tuesday as a precaution. Elsewhere, mudslides were also causing closures on SW Tichner Drive and SW College Street. Downed trees were causing yet even more closures on NW Cornelius Pass Road, NW Skyline Blvd. and Larch Mountain Rd.
Cornelius Pass, Germantown and Larch Mountains roads as well as Skyline Boulevard were all reopened mid-afternoon Tuesday.
Edit to add link.  MB  http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Blizzard-for-Cascades-strong-wind-and-rain-in-Portland-Monday-117020328.html
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« Reply #385 on: March 02, 2011, 08:53:11 AM »

Good morning and welcome to Scared Monkeys Dancing Butterfly!

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« Reply #386 on: March 02, 2011, 01:31:14 PM »

 
Good Morning! I will be sure to post the link next time!
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« Reply #387 on: March 02, 2011, 01:32:33 PM »

Dancing Butterfly:  Welcome aboard!

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« Reply #388 on: March 02, 2011, 02:29:20 PM »

 
Good Morning! I will be sure to post the link next time!
Thanks for the welcome.

 

Hope to see you again soon!
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« Reply #389 on: March 03, 2011, 09:16:00 PM »

I don't post here very often, but did not want to risk having an entire day go by without anyone posting for Kyron. The thought of him, and his mom, keep me up at night...
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« Reply #390 on: March 04, 2011, 01:56:44 AM »

I don't post here very often, but did not want to risk having an entire day go by without anyone posting for Kyron. The thought of him, and his mom, keep me up at night...

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« Reply #391 on: March 04, 2011, 08:07:57 AM »

Prayers for Kyron and his family.
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« Reply #392 on: March 04, 2011, 12:00:49 PM »

Good Morning Monkeys!  an angelic monkey

Below are some snippets of information about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Behavioral Science Unit, and how it would play a roll in Kyron's case. I for one, am very happy they are on board.


 http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx

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In 1974, the FBI formed its Behavioral Science Unit to investigate serial rape and homicide cases. From 1976 to 1979, several FBI agents--most famously John Douglas and Robert Ressler--interviewed 36 serial murderers to develop theories and categories of different types of offenders.

Most notably, they developed the idea of the "organized/disorganized dichotomy": Organized crimes are premeditated and carefully planned, so little evidence is found at the scene. Organized criminals, according to the classification scheme, are antisocial but know right from wrong, are not insane and show no remorse. Disorganized crimes, in contrast, are not planned, and criminals leave such evidence as fingerprints and blood. Disorganized criminals may be young, under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or mentally ill.

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:



      Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?


      Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?


      Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?


      Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?


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Organized behaviors--like positioning or concealing a victim's body--are the "core variables" that tend to show up most frequently and co-occur with other variables most often, he found. The differences between murderers, the researchers say, instead lie in the types of disorganized behaviors they exhibit. The study suggests that serial murderers can be divided into categories based on the way they interact with their victims: through sexual control, mutilation, execution or plunder.


http://myportfolio.usc.edu/lamar/2009/09/criminal_profiling_the_validity_of_behavior_assessment.html


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Canter brought to light two essential aspects of profiling: modus operandi and signature. The reliability and validity of criminal psychology is best exhibited in these two terms. Modus operandi is the organized aspects of a crime, which are similar between many different offenders (reliability). While the signature is the actions that occur outside the primary crime itself and are specific of just one offender, which he repeats for every offense, such as stealing from the victim or mutilating the body (validity). Work like Canter's is exactly what the field needs. This type of research will be what leads to the acceptance of this method and the realization of the psychological community and the public as a whole that criminal profiling is a useful tool.
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« Reply #393 on: March 04, 2011, 03:06:38 PM »

Good Morning Monkeys!  an angelic monkey

Below are some snippets of information about the Federal Bureau of Investigation's Behavioral Science Unit, and how it would play a roll in Kyron's case. I for one, am very happy they are on board.


 http://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug04/criminal.aspx

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In 1974, the FBI formed its Behavioral Science Unit to investigate serial rape and homicide cases. From 1976 to 1979, several FBI agents--most famously John Douglas and Robert Ressler--interviewed 36 serial murderers to develop theories and categories of different types of offenders.

Most notably, they developed the idea of the "organized/disorganized dichotomy": Organized crimes are premeditated and carefully planned, so little evidence is found at the scene. Organized criminals, according to the classification scheme, are antisocial but know right from wrong, are not insane and show no remorse. Disorganized crimes, in contrast, are not planned, and criminals leave such evidence as fingerprints and blood. Disorganized criminals may be young, under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or mentally ill.

Over the past quarter-century, the Behavioral Science Unit has further developed the FBI's profiling process--including refining the organized/disorganized dichotomy into a continuum and developing other classification schemes.

"The basic premise is that behavior reflects personality," explains retired FBI agent Gregg McCrary. In a homicide case, for example, FBI agents glean insight into personality through questions about the murderer's behavior at four crime phases:



      Antecedent: What fantasy or plan, or both, did the murderer have in place before the act? What triggered the murderer to act some days and not others?


      Method and manner: What type of victim or victims did the murderer select? What was the method and manner of murder: shooting, stabbing, strangulation or something else?


      Body disposal: Did the murder and body disposal take place all at one scene, or multiple scenes?


      Postoffense behavior: Is the murderer trying to inject himself into the investigation by reacting to media reports or contacting investigators?


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Organized behaviors--like positioning or concealing a victim's body--are the "core variables" that tend to show up most frequently and co-occur with other variables most often, he found. The differences between murderers, the researchers say, instead lie in the types of disorganized behaviors they exhibit. The study suggests that serial murderers can be divided into categories based on the way they interact with their victims: through sexual control, mutilation, execution or plunder.


http://myportfolio.usc.edu/lamar/2009/09/criminal_profiling_the_validity_of_behavior_assessment.html


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Canter brought to light two essential aspects of profiling: modus operandi and signature. The reliability and validity of criminal psychology is best exhibited in these two terms. Modus operandi is the organized aspects of a crime, which are similar between many different offenders (reliability). While the signature is the actions that occur outside the primary crime itself and are specific of just one offender, which he repeats for every offense, such as stealing from the victim or mutilating the body (validity). Work like Canter's is exactly what the field needs. This type of research will be what leads to the acceptance of this method and the realization of the psychological community and the public as a whole that criminal profiling is a useful tool.

Great article..TY Sassi
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« Reply #394 on: March 04, 2011, 05:08:13 PM »

It is a good article, but when FBI profilers first started doing this, they were examining crimes they already knew about. I am not sure how much they can determine in a crime without finding the victim, as the victim tells them so much about who might have killed them, what they were thinking, why they put them where they did, etc...very hard to figure out anything when Kyron has not been found.

I'm baffled as to what profilers would be doing at this stage in this case; I would think they would have profiled TH many months ago.
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« Reply #395 on: March 04, 2011, 05:51:51 PM »

Sassi - TY for such a good post.

Organized crime - very little evidence....that sounds a lot like what we're seeing in the Kyron case.

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« Reply #396 on: March 04, 2011, 09:40:34 PM »

Has anyone heard that Desiree is holding a vigil outside TMH's home NOW?
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« Reply #397 on: March 04, 2011, 11:29:06 PM »

I did read on FB that there was a gathering, but that Desiree was only there "in spirit." At least according to the posters on the FB page. I think it was on the anti-TH page, not sure.
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« Reply #398 on: March 05, 2011, 10:47:36 AM »

It is a good article, but when FBI profilers first started doing this, they were examining crimes they already knew about. I am not sure how much they can determine in a crime without finding the victim, as the victim tells them so much about who might have killed them, what they were thinking, why they put them where they did, etc...very hard to figure out anything when Kyron has not been found.

I'm baffled as to what profilers would be doing at this stage in this case; I would think they would have profiled TH many months ago.

bebecat: I think you are possibly misunderstanding the role of the FBI BAU. Their purpose is to analyze the crime itself and establish a profile of the person(s) responsible for it. The fact that LE hasn't found Kyron yet is part of the equation, along with finding little to no physical evidence. This is interpreted to being an "organized" crime.

In this case, a crime against a child, there are patterns developed within cases. The BAU analyzes those patterns and compare them to other similar cases, creating a profile of the POI. When they create a profile of the POI, they also look at the personal dynamics around them. They look at WHY they chose that day, HOW the body was disposed of (in this case we don't know yet, but it is a core variable), WHAT their personal reactions towards the media, friends, LE, etc..

What I'm trying to say here is that the BAU are not looking for a body. They are looking for the CRIMINAL based on the facts of this case and similar historic cases. They look closely at what occurred BEFORE and AFTER the crime, with regard to the POI profile.
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« Reply #399 on: March 05, 2011, 10:49:40 AM »

Sassi - TY for such a good post.

Organized crime - very little evidence....that sounds a lot like what we're seeing in the Kyron case.



YW puzzler, and ITA with you. It IS "organized".
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