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« Reply #540 on: March 27, 2011, 10:49:33 PM »

http://www.kgw.com/news/75-volunteers-search-for-Kyron-Horman--118737134.html

Crew of 130 in the search today
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« Reply #541 on: March 27, 2011, 11:26:53 PM »

Some thought-provoking posts from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-69/#comments

39.  Kim from PA says:
March 27, 2011 at 6:36 pm
LE said they completed searching 7 or 8 of the 11 planned search areas in January. They are now back in the same area, I presume, to complete searching the remaining search areas. The body of Javier Trejo-Richarte was found in this same area in between the last search and this weekends search.
Could Javier Trejo-Richarte’s body have been dumped here to throw off the cadaver dogs searching for Kyron?
Whomever decided to put Javier Trejo-Richarte there may know Kyron is in a close by. not-yet-searched area and a 2nd body may confuse cadaver dogs.
Just my own theory and thoughts.

I think the obvious question to locals is this: Do You have a lot of vanishing kids, and dead bodies in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses nearby often?
I mean no disrespect, I am really concerned at the passive way this seems to be occurring.
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40. Puzzled says:
March 27, 2011 at 7:24 pm
@zeus
@Kim from PA and
@Blink
vanishing kids = Kyron, and dead bodies = Javier Trejo-Richartes in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses = DAD
there is so much more to this story than we have been told … imo

50.    CBickel says:
March 27, 2011 at 10:00 pm
@Puzzled….vanishing kids also = Elsy’s children
FWIW…I agree that there is more to this story than we have been told, I’m also afraid “we” will never know what really happened June 4, 2010 or the real reason(s) why.
Thoughts and prayers are with Kyron, his brothers, sister, friends and classmates.



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« Reply #542 on: March 27, 2011, 11:32:14 PM »

I wonder if they choose these 11 spots because they are certain roads that lead off of skyeline. 11 spots to me say it is not an exact search but a general area search. Perhaps they know Terri(/or whoever), took skyline road north and these searches are based on road off of skyeline. Not sure if I explained that right or not.

I seem to recall something about the eleven spots being where there were "gates" (that closed off logging trails).  Anyone else recall that?

Puzzler, the information in the link below about the January search might be helpful.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/01/search_for_kyron_horman_resume.html

Per the above link

Between 40 to 50 search-and-rescue workers, along with up to seven cadaver-detecting dogs, will be combing the dense forested area around turnouts, trailheads, and gated logging roads along a stretch of Northwest Skyline Road, south of Rocky Point Road and a gravel road further north in the Dixie Mountain area.


So I wonder if there are 11 of these such places while driving north on Skyeline? I counted 10-12 on google but you don't always see everything on the map. This has to be the specific area "someone" pinged that morning. I further wonder if there are wells, underground tunnels, bunkers or caves, in any of these area's, some place a person can put a person without the need to bury them. They can also conceal a live person if need be. Isn't there a story of a girl who was kidnapped and was kept in a bunker? She befriended her kidnapper and convinced him to let her use the cell phone which she used to call police. A few shows on tv has also had this as a story line, could give someone an idea. I don't know, just an idea I guess

Traceygirl....the way I'm understanding it after all this time is that it can't be a "specific" spot where a ping happened because the Sauvie Island Cell Tower covers a large area (miles of area) and because of the mountains, the GPS does "not" work in that area.  So, IMO, it's not specific...it's the greater area Terri's phone pinged in. 



Unless, of course, someone came forward and actually talke to LE...if that happened, that person was only sure of a "general" area to look in.

They seem to be going to the roads off Skyeline road, so something/someone must be telling them about that specific road. Whether it be cell phone pings or witness sightings or a person involved, for some reason LE and Desiree are sure Kyron is in that one area of portland. I think they are going to find him, I really do. I don't think anything else is an option.
Puzzler what do you think about the body of the man being found in that area? It has been mentioned a bit on blinks site. I find it interesting. There was also another comment from blink that made me take pause...
Per blinks site...http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-69/#comments

I think the obvious question to locals is this: Do You have a lot of vanishing kids, and dead bodies in a search grid with a Federal fugitives houses nearby often?

I mean no disrespect, I am really concerned at the passive way this seems to be occurring.
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« Reply #543 on: March 27, 2011, 11:35:03 PM »

Puzzler we just posted the same blink comment, lol. Sorry about that! It really makes you stop and think for second.

You also included the next couple of posts, the one about Elsy and her kids, where are they and is their missing person case somehow mixed with Kyrons?
So many coincidences in this case. It is odd to me.
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« Reply #544 on: March 27, 2011, 11:43:37 PM »

Puzzler we just posted the same blink comment, lol. Sorry about that! It really makes you stop and think for second.

You also included the next couple of posts, the one about Elsy and her kids, where are they and is their missing person case somehow mixed with Kyrons?
So many coincidences in this case. It is odd to me.

Traceygirl - this is just me thinking through my fingers - but - the SI Cell Tower pings cover a large area - because of the mountains, there is no GPS available in that area - so the ping "that covers a larg area" is all they have (speaking of pings only).  It seems to me that most all of the first searchs (last summer and fall) covered Sauvie Island itself and now the searches are covering a vast area on the other side of the river (across from SI)....and "all" of this area is in the area where the SI Cell Tower "ping" would cover.

It would make sense that when the FBI profilers went through the LE binders last November, that they would suggest the rest of the area covered by that "one" SI Cell Tower ping would cover.  It would fit in with Staton saying that the profilers had suggested other areas to look and other things to look for. 

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« Reply #545 on: March 27, 2011, 11:46:31 PM »

Puzzler we just posted the same blink comment, lol. Sorry about that! It really makes you stop and think for second.

You also included the next couple of posts, the one about Elsy and her kids, where are they and is their missing person case somehow mixed with Kyrons?
So many coincidences in this case. It is odd to me.

Traceygirl - this is just me thinking through my fingers - but - the SI Cell Tower pings cover a large area - because of the mountains, there is no GPS available in that area - so the ping "that covers a larg area" is all they have (speaking of pings only).  It seems to me that most all of the first searchs (last summer and fall) covered Sauvie Island itself and now the searches are covering a vast area on the other side of the river (across from SI)....and "all" of this area is in the area where the SI Cell Tower "ping" would cover.

It would make sense that when the FBI profilers went through the LE binders last November, that they would suggest the rest of the area covered by that "one" SI Cell Tower ping would cover.  It would fit in with Staton saying that the profilers had suggested other areas to look and other things to look for. 


Good points Puzzler. Yep could be!
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« Reply #546 on: March 28, 2011, 10:25:39 AM »

Could this be as simple as a stepmother really hating Kyron and doing away with him and covering all her bases in the disposal                     
   

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is this as big and wide with some type of human trafficking/child porn trade, drug cartel, maybe repaying a debt TH owed or a big sign to TH that we are coming for you or one of your blood born children?  How far and wide could this be and how threatened could people be to not even want to give a clue as to what happened to Kyron anonymously?  I just don't effin get it!  Is it that simple or is it that big given all the feds and others brought into and still working on his case.  One more thing I must add regarding the trafficking/kiddie porn/pedo area, I keep going back to the videos posted by that nutty woman on youtube that were made about Kyron.  What if she is just crazy enough to really know something?  Why back then even connect Ky's case to someone named Dr. Death who like little kids for evil reasons and then snuffs the life out of them.  Is she telling LE in some way to look at all the missing little kids in that area?  I know we all dismissed all of her work as just another 15 min famer but she never really did come out and say anything?  Just my rambling thoughts this morn trying to fool myself into thinking I don't have to get up and go to work!  Y'all have a wonderful day!
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« Reply #547 on: March 28, 2011, 12:05:13 PM »

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

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Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?


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« Reply #548 on: March 28, 2011, 12:51:58 PM »

I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist
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« Reply #549 on: March 28, 2011, 12:53:50 PM »

I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

This link will work, but you'll need to input the name. The link I provided previously creates an error.
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« Reply #550 on: March 28, 2011, 02:03:03 PM »

I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

This link will work, but you'll need to input the name. The link I provided previously creates an error.

TY nicu!

I looked it up and it was a traffic infraction. So TH was about 4 months pregnant with Kiara when that happened. Who does she know in Clark County?
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« Reply #551 on: March 28, 2011, 03:37:07 PM »

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

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Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Good catch, Sassifrass!  I wonder if they are just covering bases because TMH may have had links to Vancouver and the surrounding area?  Also, were Kaine's brother and his ex living in WA?  I seem to recall something about Vancouver wrt Kristian...

Finally, I also remember a possible Ky sighting early on at  a McDonald's along I-5 in WA.  But I'm sure that was probably discounted.
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« Reply #552 on: March 28, 2011, 03:45:20 PM »

Okay, I should have read Sassifrass' article about the search more carefully.  Staff from Clark County Sheriff's Office were volunteering to aid in the search for Kyron, in the same area previously searched.  I know a lot of people would volunteer from ALL over the country, if they had the opportunity.  I think they are just good hearted people trying to help.
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« Reply #553 on: March 28, 2011, 03:48:21 PM »

I have no idea. However, it is right across the river and Terri has been there at least once:

Name    Court    Case Number    Judgment Record    Court Information
1   Horman, Terri Lm
Defendant    Clark County Dist   5614254   06-09-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

I imagine Terri's been to Vancouver more than once.  There is a lot of crossover between Portland/Vancouver.
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« Reply #554 on: March 28, 2011, 03:48:45 PM »

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff
from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

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Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Sassi - I noted BBM above that part of the volunteers were paid.  Earlier I had noticed that 130 people were a lot of volunteers - they usually have more like 75...so, maybe the paid volunteers came from Clark County.

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« Reply #555 on: March 28, 2011, 04:12:03 PM »

Okay, I should have read Sassifrass' article about the search more carefully.  Staff from Clark County Sheriff's Office were volunteering to aid in the search for Kyron, in the same area previously searched.  I know a lot of people would volunteer from ALL over the country, if they had the opportunity.  I think they are just good hearted people trying to help.

monchichi: Actually, that's not correct. They didn't stipulate who was paid and whom wasn't. Most of the volunteers, stated at an earlier update, were SAR people. 
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« Reply #556 on: March 28, 2011, 04:15:47 PM »

http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=1276&alert=1

UPDATE: Searchers Continue Efforts for Kyron Horman - 03/27/11
Search operations were conducted today in the same general geographic area as yesterday. The base of operations moved to NW Dixie Mountain Road near the Multnomah-Washington County border to help facilitate today's efforts.

This weekend's operations are part of the continuing investigation in to find Kyron Horman. Because of the confidential nature of the investigation, it is inappropriate at this time to discuss the timing or scheduling of future search operations. Investigators meet frequently to evaluate the investigative tips in the case as well as other factors like weather conditions to determine where and when ground searches will occur.

Searchers await the next mission call and remain resolute and determined to bring any effort to bear to locate Kyron.

Today's efforts brought together both paid and volunteer staff
from the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office, the Washington County Sheriff's Office, the Clark County (Washington) Sheriff's Office, and the the independent volunteer search and rescue groups Mountain Wave Emergency Communications, North Oregon K9 Search and Rescue, Pacific Northwest Search and Rescue, Portland Mountain Rescue, and Search One K9 Detection.

Approximately seventy personnel in total were involved today, bringing the weekend searcher and overhead staff numbers to 130 for the weekend. While some paid staff were represented in these numbers, the greater majority are trained and certified citizen volunteers serving their communities through search and rescue services.

____________________________________________________

BBM

Why is the Clark County Sheriffs office in Washington, involved in the search for Kyron in Oregon?




Sassi - I noted BBM above that part of the volunteers were paid.  Earlier I had noticed that 130 people were a lot of volunteers - they usually have more like 75...so, maybe the paid volunteers came from Clark County.



TY Puzzler!

Do we have a list of the of the task force team? I know it was stated, but I just want to check.
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« Reply #557 on: March 28, 2011, 04:29:12 PM »

Post from BOC:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

Lea Conner says:
March 28, 2011 at 3:13 am
At the risk of championing the painfully obvious, this is what I see:

1. On June 4, 2010, Kyron disappeared from his school (Skyline Elementary), which is only few miles from where Javier Trejo-Richarte’s body was found several months later, on March 5, 2011.

2. Sauvie Island resident David Anthony Durham began having severe emotional problems around the time Kyron went missing. These issues resulted in Durham leaving the Sauvie Island Fire Department.

3. The area around NW Reeder Road, near David Anthony Durham’s home on NW Sauvie Island Road, was searched in June 2010, following Kyron’s disappearance, and multiple times thereafter.

4. Just before midnight on January 23, 2011, a heavily-armed Durham opened fire on Lincoln County Police Officer Steven Dodds. Less than 24 hours later, an ambulance and several law enforcement vehicles raced up Sauvie Island Rd to Durham’s residence.

5. In late January 2011, the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit returned to Portland, for the first time since Kyron’s disappearance. No word on whether the visit was before or after Durham shot Dodd. However, prior to the shooting, Durham claimed the FBI was out to get him.

6. On January 31, 2011, following the shooting in Lincoln City, searchers combed a remote, rural area on Dixie Mountain for any sign of Kyron.

7. A few weeks later, on March 5, 2011, the body of Javier Trejo-Richart is found on NW Skyline Blvd, between Johnson and Moreland roads, a short distance from the search area. Trejo-Richarte’s body had been at that location up to a week.

8. Trejo-Richarte worked for a recycling firm located in the 3900 block of NW Yeon Avenue, just a few blocks from the printing firm where David Anthony Durham worked, in the 3400 block of NW Yeon Ave.

All of this may be one big coincidence, but considering that we are talking about a rural, sparsely populated area, what are the odds?

To put it another way, had the same facts played out in a small section of downtown, nobody would think anything of it. However, given the rural nature of the area where Kyron went missing, it would highly unusual to later have an unrelated dead body turn up in the same general area.

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« Reply #558 on: March 28, 2011, 04:35:06 PM »

Okay, I should have read Sassifrass' article about the search more carefully.  Staff from Clark County Sheriff's Office were volunteering to aid in the search for Kyron, in the same area previously searched.  I know a lot of people would volunteer from ALL over the country, if they had the opportunity.  I think they are just good hearted people trying to help.

monchichi: Actually, that's not correct. They didn't stipulate who was paid and whom wasn't. Most of the volunteers, stated at an earlier update, were SAR people. 

Oops, you are right.  It doesn't say one way or the other.  I don't find it hinky though, whether they were paid or not, they may be bringing in all of the experts they can.
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« Reply #559 on: March 28, 2011, 05:21:29 PM »

    Every day I read at Blinks.  In order to read Kyron's thread, I have to scroll by DAD's picture.  I cannot shake the feeling I get when I look at him.  If you put a ball cap, sunglasses, and pulled hair back, DD, DAD and TH all could pass for another, at least from a distance.  Especially if you did not know them well.  I have to wonder if there was a series of hand-offs, or if these people placed themselves at spots where they purposely might be mistaken for another.  Throw in the searches near DAD's house, not to mention the night that ambulances, etc descended on it, after the shooting of the police officer.  I can't think these are coincidences.  Where is DAD and why have we not heard anything more????  I keep thinking something will break soon.  It HAS to.....right???
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