Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland OR #42 2/07/11 - 5/23/11

[Scandi]

This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21° Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?

[Scandi]

Edit above post:  BTW, his name was brought up early on in the case.

[Puzzler]

Edit above post:  BTW, his name was brought up early on in the case.

Scandi - interesting

[Puzzler]

One other thing. Why are 3 of her kids named Villarreal, and 2 named Holm? Was Cat the father, or was she messing around on him? Is that why the kids have so much anger?

Sass..TY for the information - I know this person has been on your "radar" for some time.

Q: Do we know how long she's had a drinking "problem"  -  a long time - or only the past year?

[hellokitty]

 

I don't know who knows about Kim's drinking history, but I don't think that she could have such a serious problem in a short space of time.  And one where her children are so antagonistic.

[Gypsy DD]

I don't know who knows about Kim's drinking history, but I don't think that she could have such a serious problem in a short space of time.  And one where her children are so antagonistic.

I am guessing that Terri and Kim were drinking buddies.

I think Kim knows  more then she is saying about this whole scene.   I have always thought that way..especially since her young son spent time with Kyron and the Horman family.

 I have a feeling she may know who Terri's lovers were.  And could Kim be the person that Terri confided to her hatred for Kyron.  Seems Kim's kids have alot of hatred for her also.  Maybe she and Terri were both just plain mean drunks..and fed off each other.

Just typing as I think outloud. 

[Gypsy DD]

This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21° Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?

Sassi could you atleast give initials  as a hint to this man.

I wonder if this is how DeDe fits in this case.  DeDe of the learning to farm and organic growing.  She could have been the access for Terri to the growing and farming community.  DeDe may have introduced these two.

[klaasend]

Probably not a good idea to post the initials if this is all a guess.  We don't want to drag innocent people into it unless we have some kind of proof besides forensic astrology.

[sassifrass]

This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21° Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?

Sassi could you atleast give initials  as a hint to this man.

I wonder if this is how DeDe fits in this case.  DeDe of the learning to farm and organic growing.  She could have been the access for Terri to the growing and farming community.  DeDe may have introduced these two.

Hey Gypsy!

I think you meant Scandi. 

I agree with Klaas. Although I admire Tuba for her work, and it may be accurate or may be inaccurate, it's not science that is provable.

I know who Scandi was talking about and I believe there is NOTHING hinky about him. He's a hard working man that seems to love his life and the work he does. JMO. 

[Gypsy DD]

Probably not a good idea to post the initials if this is all a guess.  We don't want to drag innocent people into it unless we have some kind of proof besides forensic astrology.

Thanks Klaas..you are right.

[Gypsy DD]

This was posted by Tuba at WS. Thank you Tuba!:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125354&page=7

Judging the Farewell to Kyron chart and the Last Seen by Others chart, Websleuths noted that his stepmother had someone tucked away in House 12 as a secret lover. There was just no getting round that.

In the Last Seen by Others, we had left the halls of the school and were outside in the parking lot. The II Sun on the same degree of the node is intercepted and represents not one but, in II, two vehicles in a private happening away from public view.

The Pisces Moon that morning was contraparallel Saturn and was therefore scheming, emphasised by her rulership of House 12. She and the Sun were square, taking pains to get this right and making an effort. Mars, ruling the child, was disposited by the Sun of two vehicles and the Sun in turn, was disposited by Mercury critical (21° Taurus). I believe Kyron was put into this man's vehicle, the second or other truck. After all, Mercury is disposited by Venus in House 12, the hidden love interest. That's who the driver was.

We also know that the critical degree of Mercury has the force of tightening the orb of his T-square to the betrayal Mars-Neptune opposition, implicating this man in the whole affair or event.

The Pisces Moon parallel to Saturn does provide the scheming element to Kyron's disappearance but also ages the parties involved in this sophmoric scheme. The other driver should be slimmer than TMH, taller and may own land that he tills.

Hi Sassifrass,  My heart just skipped a beat when I thought of someone on SI who tills his fields and does have a connection to Skyline school.  He runs a big family business there.  I don't want to put his name out here but he is well known and does own one of the major farms on the island.  Could they know each other?

Sassi could you atleast give initials  as a hint to this man.

I wonder if this is how DeDe fits in this case.  DeDe of the learning to farm and organic growing.  She could have been the access for Terri to the growing and farming community.  DeDe may have introduced these two.

Hey Gypsy!

I think you meant Scandi. 

I agree with Klaas. Although I admire Tuba for her work, and it may be accurate or may be inaccurate, it's not science that is provable.

I know who Scandi was talking about and I believe there is NOTHING hinky about him. He's a hard working man that seems to love his life and the work he does. JMO. 

Well then..I would not think that would be the type of guy to do anything in regards to Terri or Kyron. 

Thank you for your response.

[Puzzler]

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)

[MuffyBee]

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)

Just a quick note:  Article is dated February 24, 2011, and refers to six additional FBI agents that were added to assist in Kyron's case.  I believe it was posted here at SM previously (so it's not additional  FBI agents added after the announcement of the addition of the six a few weeks ago), but what's really interesting is the portion of the article Puzzler has noted Is the references to the chat rooms.  Good catch, Puzzler. 

[melisb]

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)

That sentence about chat rooms lends itself to child trafficking in a way, well, to me it does.  Child porn freaks and traffickers are usually very computer literate.  In a way I want so much for him to be alive but then again the horrible things that would have been done to him by now just make me want to hurl!  I hate to keep saying this or bringing it up but sometimes the videos by (I'm gonna get the name wrong) 'musicnewsworldtoday' that made all the youtube vids about TH and Kyron, I keep going back to this guy she calls Dr. Death who sadisticly loves little children.  I believe she said tortured, and murdered?  Is there any possibe way that this nut could be right and there is such a guy that exists and somehow met TH and agreed to carry out her wishes of making Kyron disappear forever?  How awful but right now, as I see it, we are left with two things, 1. TH did away with him herself and we just haven't discovered this baby yet, or, 2.  She allowed him to be taken off from the school and was given to a monster.  We have been led to believe that TH did not walk out of the school with Ky and possibly someone saw Ky being led out, or by a truck or, or, or...Please Kyron baby, if you can, give us some kind of sign soe we can get to you.

[no rose colored glasses]

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)

Thanks Puzzler    Not real familiar about this, but only think I can think of is child porn or trafficking    Melisb I hear what you are saying about those bizarre videos, sometimes there is a bit of truth mixed in with the craziness, who knows, but I sure didn't forget about those videos.

[Puzzler]

http://www.examiner.com/criminal-profiles-in-national/fbi-beefing-up-bau-agents-on-kyron-horman-case-now-did-profilers-help-before

FBI sends more BAU agents for Kyron Horman case - Did profilers help before?


(snip)  The FBI is seeking to gain congressional support to aid them in their capabilities in combating crime on the Internet.

That effort, announced recently and referred to as combating "dark spots", which refers to criminals "going dark" online in encrypted chat rooms and such, could very well play a role in the Kyron Horman case   (snip)

Thanks Puzzler    Not real familiar about this, but only think I can think of is child porn or trafficking    Melisb I hear what you are saying about those bizarre videos, sometimes there is a bit of truth mixed in with the craziness, who knows, but I sure didn't forget about those videos.

I'm just so happy that LE has hired the 3 experts and FBI is using 6 agents on Kyron's case.  LE wants to follow the electronics trail and obviously they should.  The local and state LEs do not have access to all the electronic records that the FBI does.  I believe this electronic search (FBI can obtain records a year old and can trace Terri's trail way back) is going to give LE the proof they need  to arrest Terri; if they get to the end of the trail and there's no evidence, then it will clear Terri.   

What if it's not Terri? They will also be looking at every single cell phone activity within the area of Skyline School for a certain period of time.  In other words, if the perp used electronics, the FBI will find out.

What if the perp didn't use electronics?  Those people are hard to find, but, again, the FBI  would have a better chance at finding that type person than local LE....afterall, whoever did this horrible thing has eluded local LE for 9 months.

So, like I said, I'm really glad the experts and FBI are on the case now.  It gives me hope.   

[Puzzler]

Just reading at BOC and they're following this about the FBI agents, too.  A good little post by beejay to remind us that these FBI agents are "investigative agents" (that's what I thought, because the profilers had already been there; Staton said the profilers told them where to look and what to check out, etc.)

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

beejay says:
March 14, 2011 at 9:30 am
Just want to clarify that the “up to six” FBI agents now assisting on Ky’s case are NOT BAU agents. They don’t have that training. They are FBI special agents, already based in Portland, who are investigative personnel.

I keep reading that the “up to six” are BAU and that might be confusing people who’re wondering why BAU is needed now. BAU profiled Ky originally; came back here in late Jan to review the case.

[sassifrass]

Puzzler: I think there is confusion because a few media outlets are stating different info.

There was this link that was posted.

http://www.kmtr.com/news/local/story/Kyron-Horman-investigation-continues-with-F-B-I/6NQmsg9WrkCCyKU1O1ohtw.cspx

Then there was this link.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/02/fbi_will_dedicate_up_to_six_ag.html

So, it's not difficult to get confused when you have different news outlets stating something different, IMO.

[Tracygirl]

I have often wondered if Kyron was used in a drug trafficking ring.

[Puzzler]

A comparison of the man arrested yesterday, March 14, (referred to with a link in the BOC post below) to the man who was found dead recently on the road close to the searches on Dixie Mountain, is interesting and I’ve provided a link with a picture of that man, as well.  They almost look like they belong to a “group” or “gang”.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-58/#comments

1.   Kimberly says:
March 14, 2011 at 5:13 pm
Well, Found some interesting “coincedences” while sleuthing today.
MCSO is currently housing a man , whose picture I’ve seen before on their website and noticed then, as well as today some striking similarities to faces we “know” in this case.
Initials of the person are FJB, Take a look as see what ya think.

http://pdxmugshots.com/mug/francisco-javier-barajas

veromi lists the last name of Barajas with a connection to
the Barajas/Estrada’s in Woodburn, and more specifically to Jaime.
FJB fully spelled out on Veromi, lists connections as well, but, also shows what I had suspected since sleuthing all of these names, ties to Klamath falls, Or. IMO
While this is all my suspicion and MOO, I’m seeing and have been seeing alot of familiar first names and the thousands (exagerated, lol) of last names not only in PDX, but, appears to have migrated from Klamath falls.
We all know who has ties there, and, IIRC, Blink herself stated that she believed DDS definately knew the landscaper involved in this.

Link to man found dead – Javier:

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Dead-man-found-in-NW-Portland-area-117489748.html