Hailey Dunn #5 1/28/11 - 2/05/11

[Tamikosmom]

According to both Clint and Naomi ... Hailey was not seen by either on December 27th.  Billie claimed otherwise in yesterday's press conference.

Reading over the transcript of Billie's press conferences convinces me that she is subtly attempting to cast suspicion on Clint and/or Naomi.

Janet

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Naomi Stewart

Hailey Dunn's brother no longer staying at home in Colorado City
By Celinda Emison
Updated Wednesday, January 19, 2011

<snipped>

Clint Dunn and his girlfriend, Naomi Stewart, told the Reporter-News that Hailey had spent Christmas night at Clint Dunn's home.

"She took off those earrings and dropped them by the couch and asked me to put them up for her," Stewart said. "She asked me to pick them up for her, and I only found one of them."

Stewart and Clint Dunn said Hailey walked to the Dollar Store and Alco department store Sunday, not Monday, as Burroughs told police.

"She never came over at all Monday," Stewart said.

"Police have told us surveillance tapes at both stores put Hailey there on Sunday," Clint Dunn said.

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http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/19/official-rumor-untrue-missing-colorado-city-teen-h/


Clint Dunn

NANCY GRACE
Texas Police Search for Missing 13-Year-Old Cheerleader
Aired January 4, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET

<snipped>

GRACE:  So Mr. Dunn, tell me your recollection of what happened the day she goes missing.

CLINT DUNN: She just disappeared.

GRACE: OK. Let`s back it up a little bit. Did you see her at all that day?

CLINT DUNN: I didn`t see her at all that day.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/04/ng.01.html


Billie Dunn

Billie Dunn - January 31th Press Conference

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I then told him to walk over to Clint’s to check with him – Clint’s phone was broke. So he walked over there and called me back. Told me that Naomi said Hailey had been over there for a minute on Monday but didn’t stay the night.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6082165&postcount=74

Belimom - WS

[Shell]

OT...where is the Julianni thread, I just heard on TV his body was found

[Tamikosmom]

OT...where is the Julianni thread, I just heard on TV his body was found

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9320.new;boardseen#new

[Shell]

OT...where is the Julianni thread, I just heard on TV his body was found

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9320.new;boardseen#new

Thanks Janet 

[Kat_Gram]

Whether a person believes in LDT or not, there are some serious other problems with Shawn / Billie.
He lied to the POLICE, not in a jaywalking case, but a missing child, one that he had access to. He left for work really quite early on the Monday ??
Then they both go to work on Tuesday.
She gave the wrong time on the initilal police report as to when Hailey was last seen, based on the assumption that Shawn was home at lunch time on Monday.
She holds a Presser / BS Session and tosses in some new details and tries to throw out some sightings that LE has been unable to confirm. She takes a slam at Clint. Is this her way of what ? She is not a POI, her boyfriend is.
He left the police station the evening on January 5th and went to his Granny's when they wanted to go into another phase of the LDT based on what he said ( deception ) . She didn't ask him to leave, he bolted.
Then there are the drugs and the Y-tubes, his odd hobby, the pix of him in COVERALLS aka the Halloween movies. The 911 call in Feb. persons saying that the home life was volatile, Hailey went to a different school not that long ago because that house was not a home.
..
Oh and all the helpful peeps on the blogs, who blew holes in what Billie was saying, so, they printed it all out and got themselves a newer version of what the truth is.
..
Last time I felt as if the bloggers got hooped so bad it was the Van Der Sloot ever shifting story, based on : Well, they know this, let's come up with some fairly plausible counter story.
After a while, Natalee had been everywhere, seen by everyone.
..
She hooped everyone into this.

[Tamikosmom]

Whether a person believes in LDT or not, there are some serious other problems with Shawn / Billie.
He lied to the POLICE, not in a jaywalking case, but a missing child, one that he had access to. He left for work really quite early on the Monday ??
Then they both go to work on Tuesday.
She gave the wrong time on the initilal police report as to when Hailey was last seen, based on the assumption that Shawn was home at lunch time on Monday.
She holds a Presser / BS Session and tosses in some new details and tries to throw out some sightings that LE has been unable to confirm. She takes a slam at Clint. Is this her way of what ? She is not a POI, her boyfriend is.
He left the police station the evening on January 5th and went to his Granny's when they wanted to go into another phase of the LDT based on what he said ( deception ) . She didn't ask him to leave, he bolted.
Then there are the drugs and the Y-tubes, his odd hobby, the pix of him in COVERALLS aka the Halloween movies. The 911 call in Feb. persons saying that the home life was volatile, Hailey went to a different school not that long ago because that house was not a home.
..
Oh and all the helpful peeps on the blogs, who blew holes in what Billie was saying, so, they printed it all out and got themselves a newer version of what the truth is.
..
Last time I felt as if the bloggers got hooped so bad it was the Van Der Sloot ever shifting story, based on : Well, they know this, let's come up with some fairly plausible counter story.
After a while, Natalee had been everywhere, seen by everyone.
..
She hooped everyone into this.

I'm thinking.  I'm thinking.

Food for Thought.

Thanks Kat

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

OT...where is the Julianni thread, I just heard on TV his body was found

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9320.new;boardseen#new

Thanks Janet 

You are welcome Shell.

Dave Holloway's words when he learned that Natalee did not catch the scheduled plane home from Aruba ... "I fear the worse but hoped for the best".

 

Janet

[Shell]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/


This is great ! I follow it daily.
Amazing how he tears apart
the staements, daily.

Billie Dunn has been consistently deceptive, and failed her polygraph for good reason.    AND THAT, I have adamantly agreed with all along.

Ditto here ......the entire time I have said she was deceptive. I wanted to chalk it up to Billie-speak, but the fact she goes out of her way to deflect the suspicions wrt Shawn and seemingly toss them now on CLint, Naomi, Mary Beth and as she called Naomi's son the "dark boy" -(sorry but that was IMO a very deragatory term).....but these deflections seem to be put together from her friend reading the forums and sites and noticing the holes in her info she had previsously stated on NG and other local news, and filling those in. I am very frustrated with her and do think she is hiding something, JMOO

I have a real problem that "a friend" is assisting her in trying to get herself out of a hole she's dug for herself.   As I see it, if Billie was totally honest from the beginning a) that psycho would have been handed his walking papers long ago b) the confusion in this case would be cut drastically c) Shawn wouldnt have a mouthpiece unless he spoke for himself.

Additionally, I have two other major issues with Billie.   Grant it she is as ignorant as a tree, but that gives her NO excuse under God's green earth to make a derogatory statement regarding someone's race, religion or social status.   Using the term "dark boy" in today's society is shameful, period.   Also, when I heard this, Susan Smith & Casey Anthony came immediately to mind.

Secondly, she has pointed fingers at Clint & Naomi as well as Mary Beth & her mother while making direct irrelevant slams toward Clint.   I find that behavior reprehensible & just indicates what her true character is...for someone so heckbent on coming off the victim of their character being attacked she sure indicated to the public that she has no sensitivity to the same behavior, she is not justified & she doesnt get a pass due to her circumstances on this issue. 

well said

[cookie]

the more I read and hear the more confusing this whole case gets

Prayers for Hailey...

[Puzzler]

Could it be that David and Billie on the evening of December 26th were the last known persons to have observed Hailey alive?  Could it be that Hailey was deceased prior to the rising of the sun on December 27th?
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In other words ... could it be that all those who alleged "Hailey sightings" on December 27th are either mistaken or attempting to insert themselves into the investigation for motives unknown.

Janet

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Missing teen Hailey Dunn's mother rips investigation, media reports
By Greg Kendall-Ball
Updated Monday, January 31, 2011

<snipped>

Kampfer said that police are aware of the witnesses' accounts but that law enforcement has not been able to corroborate them. Regarding the naming of other people of interest, Kampfer said officials are following several leads, including two leads involving people. But, Kampfer said, identifying the other people whom investigators are looking into might result in those people fleeing or tampering with evidence.

<snipped>

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

Sadly I think it is.....remember all the sightings of Caylee and HaLeigh I don't think she ever left the house alive and I tend to believe that was murdered late into the night of the 26th , and that is why Shawn left work so abruptly.

If she died in that house, cadaver dogs would hit on a scent in the house or in a vehicle.  I haven't heard of cadaver dogs going through the house.  I know I sound like a broken record on this, but WHY NOT??  Cadaver dogs were taken to the Anthony's house, cadaver dogs were taken to the Horman's house.  Why not to Billie's house?

[Puzzler]

Could it be that David and Billie on the evening of December 26th were the last known persons to have observed Hailey alive?  Could it be that Hailey was deceased prior to the rising of the sun on December 27th?
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In other words ... could it be that all those who alleged "Hailey sightings" on December 27th are either mistaken or attempting to insert themselves into the investigation for motives unknown.

Janet

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Missing teen Hailey Dunn's mother rips investigation, media reports
By Greg Kendall-Ball
Updated Monday, January 31, 2011

<snipped>

Kampfer said that police are aware of the witnesses' accounts but that law enforcement has not been able to corroborate them. Regarding the naming of other people of interest, Kampfer said officials are following several leads, including two leads involving people. But, Kampfer said, identifying the other people whom investigators are looking into might result in those people fleeing or tampering with evidence.

<snipped>

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

Sadly I think it is.....remember all the sightings of Caylee and HaLeigh I don't think she ever left the house alive and I tend to believe that was murdered late into the night of the 26th , and that is why Shawn left work so abruptly.

ITA, and I dont believe Billie knew Shawn was thinking of quitting his job prior to Christmas as she stated in the presser.  Its also an extremely odd time right after Christmas to quit your job...shoot most people are trying to recup from spending a small fortune for the holidays.  Shawn's boss never said he quit, right?   I think all I saw was that the conflict was that Shawn was not fired.

And anyways, I caught another major contradiction...if she knew that Shawn was thinking of quitting his job there would have been no reason for Shawn to lie to Billie that he didnt yet or he left the house Tues the 28th as if he went to work WITH BILLIE.   They drove together Tues morning.

With all the people out of work these days and no end of it in sight, anyone with a job should hang on to it for dear life...talking about quitting...pfffttt!!!

[Shell]

I have been scouring thru info and found these two questions that set off my "WTF mode" big time......
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So the day that Hailey was reported missing, and Billie returned home from the police station around 3:00, no one had informed Shawn, yet that Hailey was missing.
As far as Shawn was concerned, Billie was still at work, correct?
Why on earth did Billie say that Shawn called her on her cell phone, around 3:00, and DD took the call and informed him what what was going on.
Why would Shawn not call her at work, as far as he knew that is where she was supposed to be, he knew she left the cell phone there for the kids.
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And on this same line of thinking, why did Billie call her sister-in-law to come pick her up from work to take her home so she could report Hailey missing, instead of calling SA who she thought was still working at his job in the same town she worked in? Why did she not call HIM to come pick her up?

Maybe she did call him and he didn't answer?

[islandmonkey]

Could it be that David and Billie on the evening of December 26th were the last known persons to have observed Hailey alive?  Could it be that Hailey was deceased prior to the rising of the sun on December 27th?
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In other words ... could it be that all those who alleged "Hailey sightings" on December 27th are either mistaken or attempting to insert themselves into the investigation for motives unknown.

Janet

++++++

Missing teen Hailey Dunn's mother rips investigation, media reports
By Greg Kendall-Ball
Updated Monday, January 31, 2011

<snipped>

Kampfer said that police are aware of the witnesses' accounts but that law enforcement has not been able to corroborate them. Regarding the naming of other people of interest, Kampfer said officials are following several leads, including two leads involving people. But, Kampfer said, identifying the other people whom investigators are looking into might result in those people fleeing or tampering with evidence.

<snipped>

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

Sadly I think it is.....remember all the sightings of Caylee and HaLeigh I don't think she ever left the house alive and I tend to believe that was murdered late into the night of the 26th , and that is why Shawn left work so abruptly.

ITA, and I dont believe Billie knew Shawn was thinking of quitting his job prior to Christmas as she stated in the presser.  Its also an extremely odd time right after Christmas to quit your job...shoot most people are trying to recup from spending a small fortune for the holidays.  Shawn's boss never said he quit, right?   I think all I saw was that the conflict was that Shawn was not fired.

And anyways, I caught another major contradiction...if she knew that Shawn was thinking of quitting his job there would have been no reason for Shawn to lie to Billie that he didnt yet or he left the house Tues the 28th as if he went to work WITH BILLIE.   They drove together Tues morning.

I know after Christmas I am    myself out of a hole every yr......extremely odd timing and she knew about this on the 29th of December yet still gave NG the wrong info on Jan 3rd, but WHY??? There are so many contradictions that it's easier to post what is known as fact~Hailey is missing If I hear her complain anymore about Shawn being a suspect I am going to hurl

[Shell]

What a shame that with Clint being out of work, that he wasn't over at the "house" painting and making repairs with all that down time.

Honestly, would you be with a psycho boyfriend there equally not doing a dang thing to help Billie in a home she was handed over?   Especially after death threats?  Me, maybe not.   That being said, I've never claimed that Clint was father of the year albeit he appears to be very close to Hailey & his non biological son, David.   BUT I adamantly disagree that he should be a focus of this investigation.

Here here!  SA's the one with the job, and you know he wasn't paying rent.  He was the one who decided to quit his job and, assumably, live off of Billy when she had kids already to feed/clothe.  God knows he's younger - he could put down the pipe and pick up a brush.

But there are just some people, country OR city, who as long as the house is standing around them will let it just be unpainted.  The windows/doors, a lot of people in those types of small towns (highway or not) don't lock their doors.  They're just in a different state of mind, probably think a lot less about crime than we do here on the board.  That being said, I still think that move-in-boyfriend should have picked up and done some things around the house - other than Billie.

LOL, you make some good points. Question...Shawn did not quit his job the morning of the 27th, so his boss says. Did he ever actually quit the job or did he just walk out that morning after being there for 10 minutes? Is he working now? If anybody knows, I would appreciate that info. Thanks!

[islandmonkey]

I have been scouring thru info and found these two questions that set off my "WTF mode" big time......
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So the day that Hailey was reported missing, and Billie returned home from the police station around 3:00, no one had informed Shawn, yet that Hailey was missing.
As far as Shawn was concerned, Billie was still at work, correct?
Why on earth did Billie say that Shawn called her on her cell phone, around 3:00, and DD took the call and informed him what what was going on.
Why would Shawn not call her at work, as far as he knew that is where she was supposed to be, he knew she left the cell phone there for the kids.
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And on this same line of thinking, why did Billie call her sister-in-law to come pick her up from work to take her home so she could report Hailey missing, instead of calling SA who she thought was still working at his job in the same town she worked in? Why did she not call HIM to come pick her up?

Maybe she did call him and he didn't answer?

That is possible~but why not try anyway. Her and SA's timeline put together by her friend certainly did try to plug all the holes we see in her other interviews from NG and local news. IMO what sticks out like a huge red flag is that her pings were not released for Monday (the entire day) and neither her nor Shawns were released for Tuesday .....also another hinky thing to me is that she drove to the police station vs calling them as she did last February when she thought SA was going to try and get his shirt, and she was at her workplace so she obviously had no issues wrt calling 911 about anything, so why not call them ASAP if she was that worried especially considering she had to know that LE would come to her home and they did indeed do that after her report, and she also didn't call MB to tell Hailey to come home. I wonder if she didn't want the 911 call to be analyzed and I feel she had DD call MB's house in an attempt to try and distance herself from the situation. I used to think she was possibly just clueless, now I think she is covering for SA....I just don't get her and never have, I have always thought something was odd with her stmts.

[Shell]

What a shame that with Clint being out of work, that he wasn't over at the "house" painting and making repairs with all that down time.

Honestly, would you be with a psycho boyfriend there equally not doing a dang thing to help Billie in a home she was handed over?   Especially after death threats?  Me, maybe not.   That being said, I've never claimed that Clint was father of the year albeit he appears to be very close to Hailey & his non biological son, David.   BUT I adamantly disagree that he should be a focus of this investigation.

Who is saying Clint should be a focus of this investigation?   

My focus is Shawn but ... I also believe that in the process of elimination in the investigation ... Clint and Naomi should not be disregarded as persons of interest in the disappearance of Hailey.

Has either Clint or Naomi yet to take a polygraph to eliminate themselves from suspicion?

Janet

Janet, we agree Shawn is the focus, however we disagree about Clint, which is fine.   Personally, I strongly disagree that Clint should be a POI in the disappearance of Hailey.   It is not known for certain if Clint and Naomi took a polygraph, regardless there is nothing whatsoever to point to why Clint would even think to harm his daughter in any manner, shoot Hailey expressed that she rather live with him apparently.   We know little to nothing about Naomi but likewise I see no reason why Naomi should be a POI, and that is not a blindsided comment but one that comes from seeing everything that is in front of us & previous experience.

I don't see that Clint or Naomi should be POI's, but why hasn't LE taken a poly on Clint and Naomi? (LE took polys on Desiree and Tony and they live hours away....Clint and Naomi live across the field.)  Also, from what we've heard (and we have no "proof" out of "any" of the mouths in this group)...but, from what we've heard, Naomi first said Hailey was over that day, then Naomi said no she wasnt.  That raises my curiosity.  Hailey, being over at Naomi's that day, goes in step with the lady who cuts hair saying she saw Hailey walking with a young boy that day. 

All I'm saying is - why isn't that something we should be interested in knowing more about?

Have I missed something?  Did the lady who cuts hair (doesn't cut hair on Sundays - so she said it was NOT Sunday that she saw Hailey)....did we hear more about that woman's story that I've overlooked?

As I recall...sorry no link..but I think there was a security video... of Hailey visiting the dollar store and one other store on Sunday, not Monday...Correct me it I am wrong

[islandmonkey]

Could it be that David and Billie on the evening of December 26th were the last known persons to have observed Hailey alive?  Could it be that Hailey was deceased prior to the rising of the sun on December 27th?
|
In other words ... could it be that all those who alleged "Hailey sightings" on December 27th are either mistaken or attempting to insert themselves into the investigation for motives unknown.

Janet

++++++

Missing teen Hailey Dunn's mother rips investigation, media reports
By Greg Kendall-Ball
Updated Monday, January 31, 2011

<snipped>

Kampfer said that police are aware of the witnesses' accounts but that law enforcement has not been able to corroborate them. Regarding the naming of other people of interest, Kampfer said officials are following several leads, including two leads involving people. But, Kampfer said, identifying the other people whom investigators are looking into might result in those people fleeing or tampering with evidence.

<snipped>

http://m.reporternews.com/news/2011/jan/31/mother-missing-colorado-city-teen-provides-copy-ti/

Sadly I think it is.....remember all the sightings of Caylee and HaLeigh I don't think she ever left the house alive and I tend to believe that was murdered late into the night of the 26th , and that is why Shawn left work so abruptly.

If she died in that house, cadaver dogs would hit on a scent in the house or in a vehicle.  I haven't heard of cadaver dogs going through the house.  I know I sound like a broken record on this, but WHY NOT??  Cadaver dogs were taken to the Anthony's house, cadaver dogs were taken to the Horman's house.  Why not to Billie's house?

I need to go back thru all the info but I thought they did bring cadaver dogs to the house, maybe they were just bloodhounds and not cadaver dogs....I need to go back and check to be sure. I do think there is a time frame after death when there is no scent and have always wondered why they wanted to "dig" under her house and why they paid so much attn to the shed ???

[shy-monkey]

Just a random thought, why was Shawn taking ativan when he had Klonopin......they are in the same class of drugs (benzos) so odd to me he would have both, unless he took Billie's script and had his own Klonopin script..

From what I've read they seem to be taking whatever drugs they could get a hold of. I thought it sounded like a lot, if not all, of what they were taking, neither had an RX for, was it determined they did have one?

If they were prescribed whatever they were on and are now blaming for failing the LDT's, I would think they would have made it a point to take their RX bottles with them to the LDT's, making sure that info was on record, just in case they did fail.

Don't the people giving that type of test ask any what have you used and when, type questions before hand?

[islandmonkey]

What a shame that with Clint being out of work, that he wasn't over at the "house" painting and making repairs with all that down time.

Honestly, would you be with a psycho boyfriend there equally not doing a dang thing to help Billie in a home she was handed over?   Especially after death threats?  Me, maybe not.   That being said, I've never claimed that Clint was father of the year albeit he appears to be very close to Hailey & his non biological son, David.   BUT I adamantly disagree that he should be a focus of this investigation.

Who is saying Clint should be a focus of this investigation?   

My focus is Shawn but ... I also believe that in the process of elimination in the investigation ... Clint and Naomi should not be disregarded as persons of interest in the disappearance of Hailey.

Has either Clint or Naomi yet to take a polygraph to eliminate themselves from suspicion?

Janet

Janet, we agree Shawn is the focus, however we disagree about Clint, which is fine.   Personally, I strongly disagree that Clint should be a POI in the disappearance of Hailey.   It is not known for certain if Clint and Naomi took a polygraph, regardless there is nothing whatsoever to point to why Clint would even think to harm his daughter in any manner, shoot Hailey expressed that she rather live with him apparently.   We know little to nothing about Naomi but likewise I see no reason why Naomi should be a POI, and that is not a blindsided comment but one that comes from seeing everything that is in front of us & previous experience.

I don't see that Clint or Naomi should be POI's, but why hasn't LE taken a poly on Clint and Naomi? (LE took polys on Desiree and Tony and they live hours away....Clint and Naomi live across the field.)  Also, from what we've heard (and we have no "proof" out of "any" of the mouths in this group)...but, from what we've heard, Naomi first said Hailey was over that day, then Naomi said no she wasnt.  That raises my curiosity.  Hailey, being over at Naomi's that day, goes in step with the lady who cuts hair saying she saw Hailey walking with a young boy that day. 

All I'm saying is - why isn't that something we should be interested in knowing more about?

Have I missed something?  Did the lady who cuts hair (doesn't cut hair on Sundays - so she said it was NOT Sunday that she saw Hailey)....did we hear more about that woman's story that I've overlooked?

As I recall...sorry no link..but I think there was a security video... of Hailey visiting the dollar store and one other store on Sunday, not Monday...Correct me it I am wrong

That is my recollection as well, she was seen at the Dollar store and Alco on Sunday, IIRC LE showed Clint the security vid's

[Shell]

Quick question. If Billie did not have a computer in the home and copied the pages she had re: murders, serial killers etc. from work???(was that a fact)? then what computer was available to Shawn? Did he request certain cases...if so he had access to a computer, but which one?