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Author Topic: Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 - 4/11/12  (Read 391114 times)
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« Reply #220 on: June 06, 2011, 09:59:37 PM »

It is not entirely true that LE owes the public, nothing...LE is responsible for the safety of the community, their only duty it not to keep Kaine and Desiree up to speed. They admitted that they still don't know what they have here and mentioned trafficking again as well as sex offenders in their press release, not in a way that sounds like they have completely ruled out anything at all. In fact I think they mentioned these other scenarios as a way of telling the public, without alarming them, that it is possible there is something here besides a wicked stepmother.

I don't live in Portland, but if I did I would be contacting LE about now with some questions. I would not feel comfortable.

And now I see that the principal of Skyline has been transferred to another school...for what it is worth...(don't have link, but his statement is out there, Ben Keefer I think?)
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« Reply #221 on: June 06, 2011, 10:00:10 PM »

Hello Kitty,
We can't say the name Harry Oaks?

I do not agree with you by us stating Desiree should seek a PI is passive aggressive, that doesn't even make sense. If she doesn't want to then that is her decision, but suggesting it is not putting her down.

I think you really need to rethink what you are getting at because it is rude. To say any of us on this thread are taking pleasure in Kyron not being found or an investigation not having the outcome so many have prayed for is off track at best. I think you are just trying to start trouble like you have tried in the past. So go ahead, have it but you are wrong.


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« Reply #222 on: June 06, 2011, 10:05:03 PM »



I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



HK: His name is Harry Oakes.I'm not afraid to say his name.

I don't know where you are reading, but to defame someones name and call it "fact" from what you read is, IMO, freaking ridiculous. I lived in Oregon City when Ashley went missing. I saw everything, including when HO found their bodies.

Nobody on this forum has posted any "passive aggressive" post' towards Kaine or Desiree. I've had personal contact with Desiree's family. They read here, but you chose to bring that info over here. Has that helped or encouraged Kyron? NO.

IMO, you are way out there and I'm out of here. I'm not going to listen to this BS any longer. If you can't support Kyron and his family on this thread, and just want to throw unsubstantiated chit out there, then that's your prerogative.

Sorry Monkeys. I'm really trying not to be judgmental, but I refuse to listen or partake in this chit.

I'm gone.....
 
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« Reply #223 on: June 06, 2011, 10:20:41 PM »

 

Interesting.  I feel people are being incredibly rude about the parents of a missing child.  Implying that they are what____ (fill in the  blank )because they are not going for Harry Oakes or a PI.

If Desiree's family does read here, then I salute them for pressing on in the most difficult situation of anyone's life.

I respect their decisions and conclusions, whatever they may be.  I am not second guessing them on their decisions which are based on information they have and the intelligence that they possess (their brains).



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« Reply #224 on: June 06, 2011, 11:10:18 PM »

Personally, I would not use HO, but I would at this point, or maybe a little sooner, have hired or obtained my own investigators and specialists, just because in spite of LE's best efforts, Kyron has not been found. I felt that HO behaved very unprofessionally by taking his beef to the web when they did not allow him access. And I do not believe that Kyron is on the Horman property, personally.

It is possible to support LE's efforts and still do what you can to find your child. In most cases, families are forced to hire their owns teams, as they would not usually get a full year of searching and investigating by so many LE agents. Kyron's case was different/special/unusual, so LE did spend lots more than other cases. but they did not, as yet, succeed. I could not wait for the case to be solved, that's for sure. I would have to feel as though I was taking action to make sure everything possible was done by someone who answered only to me, at some point.
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« Reply #225 on: June 06, 2011, 11:25:58 PM »

Personally, I would not use HO, but I would at this point, or maybe a little sooner, have hired or obtained my own investigators and specialists, just because in spite of LE's best efforts, Kyron has not been found. I felt that HO behaved very unprofessionally by taking his beef to the web when they did not allow him access. And I do not believe that Kyron is on the Horman property, personally.

It is possible to support LE's efforts and still do what you can to find your child. In most cases, families are forced to hire their owns teams, as they would not usually get a full year of searching and investigating by so many LE agents. Kyron's case was different/special/unusual, so LE did spend lots more than other cases. but they did not, as yet, succeed. I could not wait for the case to be solved, that's for sure. I would have to feel as though I was taking action to make sure everything possible was done by someone who answered only to me, at some point.


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Yeah, I said I was gone, but I peeked.

I would hire Daffy Duck to find my child. Your overall post was right on. It doesn't matter who finds Kyron, as long as he is brought home.

I would not discount that he is not on the Horman property. I know for a fact that in the beginning, MCSO used inferred, horses, SAR, etc. (that was earlier in the case), but that doesn't mean that Kyron wasn't moved. I don't like to speculate or assume. ANYTHING is possible in this case.

TY bebe for that post.

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« Reply #226 on: June 07, 2011, 12:29:49 AM »



I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



I'll name him, HARRY OAKS.  I don't personally care for his style but I've never seen any proof that he is a fraud.  Seems to me you came here to pick a fight?
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« Reply #227 on: June 07, 2011, 12:42:16 AM »

Bringing over this post from BOC.  Looks like the principal of Skyline School has reassigned to another school:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/

WPG says:
June 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm
neighbor says:
June 6, 2011 at 4:54 pm
http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/Blink replies:
“Heh?
B”

Oh, my, my.

This is just me, but what will some of the parents of the “other school” think now that the man coming to be in charge of their children, is the one who basically, was with whom the “bucked stopped” in terms of

* the auto-call-parent system – - – system was in the school prior to June 4, it just hadn’t been hooked up yet
* rules of sign-in/out, visitor i.d., etc. were not enforced on June 4
* tech-records which were obviously potential evidence, were neither secured right away or at ANY point following Kyron’s KIDNAPPING.

With much respect, I have to ask, do these folks have a spokesperson? A seven year old child was abducted from this school, and he has not been found, and no arrests have been made, and the task force is to be disbanded in a month.

This is an appropriate public statement? I mean this sincerely and with empathy- what the hell is in the water?

sigh.
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« Reply #228 on: June 07, 2011, 01:36:58 AM »

Personally, I would not use HO, but I would at this point, or maybe a little sooner, have hired or obtained my own investigators and specialists, just because in spite of LE's best efforts, Kyron has not been found. I felt that HO behaved very unprofessionally by taking his beef to the web when they did not allow him access. And I do not believe that Kyron is on the Horman property, personally.

It is possible to support LE's efforts and still do what you can to find your child. In most cases, families are forced to hire their owns teams, as they would not usually get a full year of searching and investigating by so many LE agents. Kyron's case was different/special/unusual, so LE did spend lots more than other cases. but they did not, as yet, succeed. I could not wait for the case to be solved, that's for sure. I would have to feel as though I was taking action to make sure everything possible was done by someone who answered only to me, at some point.


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Yeah, I said I was gone, but I peeked.

I would hire Daffy Duck to find my child. Your overall post was right on. It doesn't matter who finds Kyron, as long as he is brought home.

I would not discount that he is not on the Horman property. I know for a fact that in the beginning, MCSO used inferred, horses, SAR, etc. (that was earlier in the case), but that doesn't mean that Kyron wasn't moved. I don't like to speculate or assume. ANYTHING is possible in this case.

TY bebe for that post.



Sass take a deep breath. See you and I agree on one important point, it doesn't matter who looks, just as long as the child is found. I am not sure I would seek out HO, but if he asked to do it for free I would say yes because who knows. If he found nothing, great, but what if he found something? I think forever I would be asking myself, what if. That is what I want every family to avoid asking themselves, what if....
There are other sars teams out there. In the Amber's case Carry hired a dog team I think a year later and they hit pretty close to where Amber was found. Perhaps Carry can give the name of the team they used? If help is needed with that I can try to find out the name and get that information to whoever.
Anyway, I am going to sleep now. Goodnight everyone. Sass I expect to see you here again, don't leave.
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« Reply #229 on: June 07, 2011, 08:46:32 AM »



I am not putting reference to the "SAR" because on this site, many months ago, it was asked not to talk about him.

I notice that no one is willing to name him, so I certainly am not taking the plunge here. 

There are people that are taking some weird pleasure in this tragedy.  They claim to know things, for instance, when they really do not.  They take pictures off of the google site and pretend they have been there.

As I have said numerous times.  We are nobody.  Kyron's parents have suffered a tragic situation and to second guess them and say things about them to me is passive aggressive.

LE owes no one any info. except what they tell the parents.  The rest of us are nobody and are owed nothing.



I'll name him, HARRY OAKS.  I don't personally care for his style but I've never seen any proof that he is a fraud.  Seems to me you came here to pick a fight?


Thank you Klaas! Go back and look at HK's posts...they all seem to try to get under the skin of the person posting next to her.  None of us mind differing opinions and welcome them. Her posts borderline on rude everytime and I don't get it.  Maybe she's just new to a forum but to say to my fellow Monkey, (my own words) about HO, 'nope, go look it up on the internet' is almost rude. 
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« Reply #230 on: June 07, 2011, 10:34:23 AM »

 

I don't have time now, but I promise that I will find the information about Harry if it hasn't gone poof.

I have to say that I am very upset about people saying things about the parents of a missing child.  I feel they have enough pain without people implying that the parents are not doing enough.  They have family and friends that give them advice, I am sure.

If I had been doing what I could in a situation, be it whatever it is, and people on the internet feel that they have to second guess me, I would be upset.  We don't know what the parents know.  We don't know why they make the decisions that they do.  But i trust that they will do what they can to find their child.  The criticism of them really really really bothers me. 
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« Reply #231 on: June 07, 2011, 12:07:16 PM »


Harry Oakes - Search Dogs
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8432.msg1217245#msg1217245
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« Reply #232 on: June 07, 2011, 01:43:43 PM »



I don't have time now, but I promise that I will find the information about Harry if it hasn't gone poof.

I have to say that I am very upset about people saying things about the parents of a missing child.  I feel they have enough pain without people implying that the parents are not doing enough.  They have family and friends that give them advice, I am sure.

If I had been doing what I could in a situation, be it whatever it is, and people on the internet feel that they have to second guess me, I would be upset.  We don't know what the parents know.  We don't know why they make the decisions that they do.  But i trust that they will do what they can to find their child.  The criticism of them really really really bothers me. 

No body is being critical of anything. I suppose there are different type of supporter. Those who sit and hold the hand of people in trouble or hurting and then there are others who want to offer options used in other similar situations learned through experience. Both help, both are fine, both are supportive. 
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« Reply #233 on: June 07, 2011, 08:04:47 PM »

 

this is info from his blog/my space that does not exist anymore.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51216&page=6
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« Reply #234 on: June 07, 2011, 08:12:58 PM »

 

Looking at the experience of Yuri M (the detective in the Casey Anthony case) who wrote about nothing related to Casey, I can see why Harry Oakes cannot be used.

Yuri was spanked for writing on Websleuths.
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« Reply #235 on: June 07, 2011, 08:17:01 PM »



this is info from his blog/my space that does not exist anymore.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51216&page=6

HK: I'm familiar with that. HO was looking for someone with a boat that he could search SI. Remember, he was using his own money for this.

You have proven nothing, and the fact that you are trying to discredit a man that searches for missing people; mostly at his expense, is quite frankly sinful. You seem to be on this vendetta to discredit him and it offends me.

I personally think you need to rethink your purpose here. Are you here to support Kyron or are you here to pick people apart. I think you're here to troll. JMO.
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« Reply #236 on: June 07, 2011, 08:20:05 PM »



Looking at the experience of Yuri M (the detective in the Casey Anthony case) who wrote about nothing related to Casey, I can see why Harry Oakes cannot be used.

Yuri was spanked for writing on Websleuths.

You are an embarrassment. You make assumptions without looking at the facts. You come in here and try to blame the Monkeys for not supporting the families decisions. Wtf are you doing?

Sorry again Monkeys, but I'm freaking fed up with this poster. 
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« Reply #237 on: June 07, 2011, 08:43:11 PM »



Looking at the experience of Yuri M (the detective in the Casey Anthony case) who wrote about nothing related to Casey, I can see why Harry Oakes cannot be used.

Yuri was spanked for writing on Websleuths.

One more thing. HO NEVER posted on SM. I gave him some Q & A's through email, and posted them on SM.

Maybe you should use your talent for discrediting people/ Monkeys to searching for Kyron. That would be more useful.
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« Reply #238 on: June 07, 2011, 09:48:50 PM »

sassifrass-thank you for your continued advocacy for finding kyron.  i haven't been in this thread for awhile but I just read through all of the posts and it is posters like you that help make scared monkeys a wonderful place. 

it makes me so sad that it has been a year since kyron disappeared and i feel like all we have now is a pending divorce case Sad  It's so upsetting to think that the police really must not have much evidence.  i hope something breaks sometime soon.

prayers for kyron, desiree, kaine, tony, kiera, and all loved ones of kyron who must continue to ask why? and wonder where their beautiful boy is.  this is just heartbreaking
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« Reply #239 on: June 07, 2011, 11:14:59 PM »

It is upsetting to me that nothing has changed in an entire year. I can't think of too many cases involving a child with so little info from LE during the space of a year, even if they are not able to make an arrest. Sometimes the public has to know more, in order to be able to provide information. It may be too late now, for people to recall things they may have known 11 months ago or so.

I do think Desiree's husband being LE has held her back from taking any personal action as far as hiring outside investigators. Maybe she will want to try that now, whether or not it will do any good, who can say. But sometimes I felt as though she was going thru the motions when she kept saying she had faith in LE; the frustration came thru at times...Kaine, on the other hand, I have no idea what is going on in his head. I could never be that patient and sure could not talk in terms of "years", not when Kyron hasn't even been found. I know LE would not like me, by this point, not at all...

I wish I felt that the divorce case would help in finding out what happened to Kyron, but I don't believe that. If TH did this, she can't talk, not now, now ever. It is way too late for her to make any deals, in my opinion, especially if he is not alive. I doubt we will ever her voice.
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