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« Reply #320 on: June 17, 2011, 04:11:25 PM »

The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

Crazy link but .. "Cops woman", reminded me of an ex-LEO or the beauty salon owner Debbie Higbee Benton that was murdered in Clackamas.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=130715624941113100
Could "one cops woman" be Desiree?  That poem is creepy.
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« Reply #321 on: June 17, 2011, 05:26:50 PM »

The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

Crazy link but .. "Cops woman", reminded me of an ex-LEO or the beauty salon owner Debbie Higbee Benton that was murdered in Clackamas.
http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=130715624941113100
Could "one cops woman" be Desiree?  That poem is creepy.

Yep, that's who it is.

I want to break down this poem and try and weigh the meanings. I don't have time right now, but I'll work on it later. I think it's worth looking at.
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« Reply #322 on: June 17, 2011, 05:36:01 PM »

The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.

Unless a cartoon character came to life, no animal wears clothing.

That poem in my opinion is more then just something written by just a random person, I think there are clues there. Do police believe the bones have been in that area or have been placed there? To me the first line sounds as if someone was saying he should be one place and not the other as if the person moved them. "A child's blessing, a mans remorse" Is this referring to Kiara and Kaine? I think obviously the next line is Desiree? The rest sort of confuses me...Anyone have any idea?
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« Reply #323 on: June 17, 2011, 05:37:33 PM »

I can't find the creek on google maps, is it small? Who would know it was there? Where does it flow from?
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« Reply #324 on: June 17, 2011, 05:39:34 PM »

I'm going to look at that TG. Unfortunately, I have things to take care of right now. I agree with your first analysis. BBL
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« Reply #325 on: June 17, 2011, 05:42:48 PM »

The address where the bones were found is 13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas, OR 97015. This is on the corner of SE 124th and SE Sunnyside rd.

WS had a link to a comment made on OL about a poem that was written by a poster there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6695904

The direct link to the OL poster comment is here.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra/4897/comments-2.html

This was originally posted by "The Eskimo (Rich)", and followed up by a poster named "Open Letter" .


To: The Eskimo (Rich) you posted on July 16, 2010 at 7:58 a.m. on OregonLive the following...

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

That is poem (BBM) is creepy in relation to the location of the bones.

The bones were found near
  13243 SE 124th Ave, Clackamas
That place is close to a strip mall and garage boxes.
http://www.flashalert.net/news.html?id=624

Rudy lived 3.7 mi from there at
  9850 SE Amherst St, Clackamas

The car wash fundraiser was 0.3 miles away at
  12002 SE Sunnyside Rd, Clackamas
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/car-wash-fundraiser-planned-aid-kyron-search

If these were animal bones, I guess that CCSO would have figured that out by now.  What animal wears cloths anyway.

Unless a cartoon character came to life, no animal wears clothing.

That poem in my opinion is more then just something written by just a random person, I think there are clues there. Do police believe the bones have been in that area or have been placed there? To me the first line sounds as if someone was saying he should be one place and not the other as if the person moved them. "A child's blessing, a mans remorse" Is this referring to Kiara and Kaine? I think obviously the next line is Desiree? The rest sort of confuses me...Anyone have any idea?

It went poof from the OL site.  The poster "The Eskimo (Rich)" claims to live in the Gresham ZIP code according to
  http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html
  http://connect.ohiohssports.com/user/Athabascan/index.html

Bob Rich sent another poem
  http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=139158702788229
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« Reply #326 on: June 17, 2011, 06:36:33 PM »

Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html
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« Reply #327 on: June 17, 2011, 06:58:55 PM »

Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html

I don't know if The Eskimo and Bob Rich are the same person.  The latter seems to dedicate his time writing poems for i.e. peace4missing.ning.com.  The former seems to concentrate on bashing Kaine and leaving breadcrumbs.

OL just posted an article on a MCSO cold case where DNA evidence was analyzed by the fed. crime lab.  It is unclear if this is intended as a background article.  Interesting timing to say the least.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html
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« Reply #328 on: June 17, 2011, 08:09:56 PM »

That poem has been posted by both people so I would think it is the same person, just a guess though.
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« Reply #329 on: June 17, 2011, 08:40:01 PM »

Just an observation, looking from a different angle, also trying to be thorough... If Tanner's recollection of Kyron leaving to go downstairs to see a "cool electric project" is correct, and considering that it was a Science Fair day in a school that gets help from outside Sci sponsors, I wonder if any of the below companies had representatives at the school on June 4, 2010. (Note the small print paragraph. I wonder if such a "kiosk" was set up & available during last year's Science Fair.)

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/northwest_portland_skyline_sch.html?mobRedir=false

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Northwest Portland: Skyline School installs wind turbine
Published: Monday, March 28, 2011, 12:00 PM
By Molly Hottle, The Oregonian

On Monday, Skyline School in Northwest Portland will be the first school in Portland Public Schools to install a wind turbine, which will be used to power about 3 percent of the school's energy. 
Students will watch workers install the 90-foot-tall tower at 1 p.m., at the school, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd. The turbine is expected to be operating at 2:45 p.m. You can view the installation progress on the Solar 4R Schools website.

Inside the school, an interactive kiosk will show how the turbine is working and what it is doing.
Supporting the project are Bonneville Environmental Foundation's Solar4R Schools Program, Xzeres Wind of Wilsonville, Andersen Electric, Northwest Environmental Defense Council, the Energy Trust of Oregon and Oregon Department of Energy's Business Energy Tax Credit.
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« Reply #330 on: June 17, 2011, 08:42:02 PM »

Sorry, it didn't show up as small print. My last comment was referring to the last paragraph. I wonder if these company's employees have been checked out...if any of them were at the Sci Fair.
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« Reply #331 on: June 18, 2011, 12:44:15 AM »

I can't find the creek on google maps, is it small? Who would know it was there? Where does it flow from?

You can see the creek here:

http://portlandmaps.com/detail.cfm?action=Natural&propertyid=C205574&state_id=22E02BC02600&address_id=768471&intersection_id=&dynamic_point=0&x=7679309.627&y=648260.319&place=13263%20SE%20124TH%20AVE&city=CLACKAMAS%20COUNTY&neighborhood=&seg_id=304529


It looks pretty flat, so probably a modest creek.  Combining above map with Gmaps topo elevation map, gives me the idea that it starts a bit East, and flows West towards the Willamette.

http://portlandmaps.com/detail.cfm?action=Elevation&propertyid=C205574&state_id=22E02BC02600&address_id=768471&intersection_id=&dynamic_point=0&x=7679309.627&y=648260.319&place=13263%20SE%20124TH%20AVE&city=CLACKAMAS%20COUNTY&neighborhood=&seg_id=304529


FYI my post on BOC:
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OregonLive reports “Oregon Attorney General John Kroger says that one of his top investigators has resigned as chief counsel for the criminal division of the state Justice Department after he deleted a number of government emails. … Sean Riddell has been a dedicated public servant as a Multnomah County prosecutor …”
http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/06/oregon_department_of_justice_a_1.html

It makes me wonder what is brewing. Resigned because he deleted emails? Millions of people do this everyday because leading email systems/smartphones can’t handle a large inbox. Sounds more like something about very specific emails.

No email backup? Email not archived in transit? Maybe it is time the AG hires some IT people.
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« Reply #332 on: June 18, 2011, 01:50:29 AM »

That poem was written by someone who is trying to clear their conscience !
Anyone know how seriously LE took this ?
I would be curious to hear FBI interpretation
of this poem. It is quite chilling.
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« Reply #333 on: June 18, 2011, 02:31:20 AM »

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    I'm wondering if you can offer any insight into TH's treatment of Kyron?  Did you have occasion to witness them together or know anyone who did? 
    How did she talk to Kyron when in public? 
Many thanks...

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Sorry I can't.  I only remember seeing his family the day before.  I knew Kyron's face from crossing paths in the hallway. Wish I knew him better.  He seems like a good kid.


Thanks, Neighbor!   
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« Reply #334 on: June 18, 2011, 02:56:06 AM »

*** Sorry *** my last post was OT!
I'm waaay behind in my reading....

Thanks for posting the poems/info, etc.  from "Eskimo".   Does anyone know the date/time that the creepy poem was written?

Thanks!

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"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. ......"  <snip, snip>>
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« Reply #335 on: June 18, 2011, 11:44:03 AM »

To try and decipher this, I split up the wording where this person placed commas in their poem. I made comments after each sentence of what I thought may be the possible meaning.

Poems, are used as messages and expressions of pain, happiness, life's experiences, and our own personal knowledge. Killers, also use poetry to give clues to LE.

Please feel free to add your own interpretations.


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The poem by The Eskimo:

"The sunny side, where you should be, not in the woods or near a tree. A childs blessing a mans remorse, one cops woman so stay the course. Intent was there, luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed, a course, a path, watery grave. Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire, so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue, idea and then the end that we all knew, would come, sad and happy to see it gone, our lives will go on but one will not, we shed a tear for little him, but not for them."

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The sunny side, where you should be: Although it may be a coincedense, that the SE 124th address intersects with Sunnyside rd., my first impression was the "sunny side" as opposed to the "dark side". By this I mean, Kyron was forced into the "dark side" of life by someone else.

not in the woods or near a tree: This tells me that, possibly, Kyron is not in those forested search areas.

A childs blessing a mans remorse: A feeling of guilt?

one cops woman so stay the course: I believe this refers to Desiree's determination to find her son.

Intent was there: This was intentional. The plan was set in motion.

luck prevailed humanity blushed and evil sailed: This one, I think, is the most powerful. It tells me that the plan did not go down as it was suppose to. Someone took matters in their own hands.

a course, a path, watery grave: Kyrons destiny.

Not the K or T we know but others hands in the fire: Another interesting line. This to me is saying that Kaine and Terri are not to blame, but possibly someone(s) associated with them. Someone(s) who knows both of them. Perhaps an activity they shared with Kaine and Terri. The word "fire" to me, describes an event that is questionable.

so, look elsewhere, you will find a clue: This says to me, basing it on the above line, that Kaine and Terri probably trusted this person, and may still trust them.

idea and then the end that we all knew, would come: It started off as an idea, a plan, but the intention was not to harm Kyron. They made an error.

sad and happy to see it gone: Happy that they are rid of the problem, but feeling sad that it ended this way.

our lives will go on but one will not: Kyron's demise.

we shed a tear for little him, but not for them: Feeling pain for Kyron and extreme anger towards the person(s) who did this to him.
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« Reply #336 on: June 18, 2011, 11:50:06 AM »

Bob Rich doesn't care for Kaine and Desiree very much or he didn't when he wrote the posts. That maybe important when trying to figure out the poem
http://connect-uat.nola.com/user/Athabascan/index.html

I don't know if The Eskimo and Bob Rich are the same person.  The latter seems to dedicate his time writing poems for i.e. peace4missing.ning.com.  The former seems to concentrate on bashing Kaine and leaving breadcrumbs.

OL just posted an article on a MCSO cold case where DNA evidence was analyzed by the fed. crime lab.  It is unclear if this is intended as a background article.  Interesting timing to say the least.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/post_96.html

Neighbor: Don't you think their writing styles seem different? The OL one seems more cryptic and the one MKH is more descriptive.
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« Reply #337 on: June 18, 2011, 12:58:53 PM »

I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA

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« Reply #338 on: June 18, 2011, 02:19:48 PM »

I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA

The "Sunny Side" is either coincidental or very intentional.  It is very easy to trace down the sender for a site like OL.  They have done it before when TMH was posting there.  It will reveal the sender's location and computer setup or possibly point to a Tor.  The latter will be interesting in its own way.
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« Reply #339 on: June 18, 2011, 03:30:16 PM »

I've been engrossed in the Caylee Anthony trial, but still trying to touch base in on Kyron's thread.

I wonder if someone would be kind enough to explain why we would give so much thought to this poem?  TIA

The "Sunny Side" is either coincidental or very intentional.  It is very easy to trace down the sender for a site like OL.  They have done it before when TMH was posting there.  It will reveal the sender's location and computer setup or possibly point to a Tor.  The latter will be interesting in its own way.

Hi Puzzler,

What got my attention was the reference to "Sunny side".  Sunnyside Road is very near to where the bones were found in Clackamas. 

Hi Neighbor,

What is a TOR?  Thanks!   (BBM)

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