Kyron Horman, 7 years old, Portland, OR #43 5/23/11 - 4/11/12

[akmom]

Sassi, I always find your posts interesting and informative.  To be honest, that message creeps me right out.  I hope that you are being careful.  I am not a good sleuther at all.  Just wondering if maybe Kyron is in a tree.  Probably being way too literal.......

[neighbor]

Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

I thought it might be the previous owners, but these Robert and Joanne are now listed at Wakefield St with a last sale at 7/1/1982.  Veromi and PeopleSmart doesn't know about them.  What people search engine did you use?

[Kokos Cat]

Sassi it seems as if someone was trying to figure out who you are. Possibly someone who reads here? The topic of discussion in thread 41 includes you taking pics at a specific location.

Yeah, I assumed that right away. They can't find that out because of my smart tech hubby and my brother, who actually teaches internet safety and is an MIT graduate. I have more isp locations then the lights on a Christmas tree. So I'm not worried about anyone tracking me down. 

I'm more concerned about the body of the text. The message.

By July 1st, we're going to be down to ONE detective on this case. What a damn friggin shame. So as of right now, anything goes. Put everything out there no matter how trivial it may seem. You never know. Something could grow from it.

Dear Sassi,
I sooo appreciate getting your email.  I'm sorry I haven't had time to write!  However,
I have been a little concerned about you since you mentioned the availability of your email.  Sounds like you've got it covered, though...


Cheers,
Kokos

Koko: I don't understand what you mean by that. I never sent you an email.

And, I do have it covered. 

Dear Sassi Cat,
  Sorry my post was not clear!  I should have said I was relieved/happy to have ACCESS to your email ADDRESS, not that I was glad to have received your email!  (Hope this makes sense.)  Anyway, I appreciate your bravery in posting your email ADDRESS in your signature line!  I don't really know how to protect my identity well enough to feel safe doing this.... (that's why I was worried about YOU doing it... but as I said, looks like you've got some high tech help on board!    and it shouldn't be a problem.
   Anyway, I haven't written you an email yet.  I hope to bee in touch ASAP!
   
Thoughts about the strange email you did receive:   Hmmm.... seems like it was written by a landscaper or groundskeeper or someone posing as one.  Very strange.  It smacks of metaphor, as well.   As if, they are saying one thing, but mean another.  Although, maybe I'm reading too much into this.  All these landscaping/groundskeeping venues have me a little jumpy.

Please let us know if you figure it out.

Hope you are well~!

Kokos Cat


   

[cw618]

Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

sassi,not sure but way back in maybe fall 2010,it seems i ran across that name on S.island,seems it was something
about the truck and car sighting,i was looking into, i could be wrong maybe the name was, macken and not mucken,
 ill see if i still have that file, if i do ill post it

[yuknomenot]

Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

If these are indeed the former owners, could they be listed because they self-financed (the proper term is stuck on the end of my tongue) or possibly hold a 2nd mortgage.

[Amys Sister]

Since we were talking about cryptic messages, I wanted to share an email I received on May 9th. Keep in mind that I only use this email at SM.

The subject line in the email was this: kyron horman, 7 years old, portland, or #41 1/18/11 - 2/07/11

NOTE: The first thing I noticed was that this was typed in because they used lower case letters. SM uses upper case letters. Also, at that time we were clear in thread # 42 on SM.

In the body of the text, this was the message:

Hi. Do you offer tree removal?  And or transplanting another tree to a different location?  It's not large.

Thanks

_______________________________________

FYI, Klaas and Blink have already been told about this email. It's been bugging the heck out of me. Any ideas fellow monkeys?

 

Were you able to respond or track the sender?

Thread #41 was entirely about David Durham.

It seems to be directing you toward landscapers and their services which is interesting because that's what Terri did in her attempts at the MFH prior to Kyron's disappearance.

According to Urban Dictionary 'trees' is a term for marijuana.  Could be someone wants pot, a child, or a spouse moved/removed.  (it's not large might indicate a child or a small amount of marijuana)

Did the Mexican orphanage which JW's father was affiliated with have a name or stated mission that referred to trees or branches?  It's late so I cannot look into it now, but IIRC it did.
 
Sassi, what do you think the email meant? 

[Kokos Cat]

Anyone know WHO or What this could be? Just noticed it. They have the same address and phone #. It wasn't there before. I'll see if I can figure it out.

KAINE   Middle Name   A
Last Name   HORMAN   Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD
City   PORTLAND   State   OR
ZIP Code   97231   Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx


First Name   R & J   Last Name   MUCKEN
Primary Address   15725 NW SHELTERED NOOK RD   City   PORTLAND
State   OR   ZIP Code   97231
Phone Number   (503) xxx-xxxx

sassi,not sure but way back in maybe fall 2010,it seems i ran across that name on S.island,seems it was something
about the truck and car sighting,i was looking into, i could be wrong maybe the name was, macken and not mucken,
 ill see if i still have that file, if i do ill post it

Sassi, CW & Monks,

Robert G Mucken

  18910 NW Sauvie Island Rd Portland, OR Age: 65+
Associated people: Joanne F Mucken

http://www.411.com/dir/portland-or/mucken/robert

Thanks to erose on BOC!

 



http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-155/#comment-1705238

erose says:
June 22, 2011 at 2:47 pm
Neighbor & Sassi,

Per your SM posts…

I found the Mucken’s on Sauvie Island.

http://www.411.com/dir/portland-or/mucken/robert

[sassifrass]

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710

sassifrass says:
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June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

[neighbor]

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710

sassifrass says:
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June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

[sassifrass]

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

[neighbor]

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

Interesting.

I mentioned the restaurant, because Araceli shares an address at 117th Ave, Vancouver, WA according to 411.com.

Looking at some relations to the restaurant pointed me to Sunnyside, WA.  Maybe I am starting to see ghosts.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20070805/muchas-momentum-chain-vancouver-mexican/ai_n51349025/

Did you see all the businesses (incl landscaping)? 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=n&mn=&ln=Gonzalez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=burlingame&state=CA&age=52&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=38&y=5

Speaking about ghosts, I just realized that there was a major drugs bust in my 'hood in 2009
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html

[sassifrass]

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

Interesting.

I mentioned the restaurant, because Araceli shares an address at 117th Ave, Vancouver, WA according to 411.com.

Looking at some relations to the restaurant pointed me to Sunnyside, WA.  Maybe I am starting to see ghosts.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20070805/muchas-momentum-chain-vancouver-mexican/ai_n51349025/

Did you see all the businesses (incl landscaping)? 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=n&mn=&ln=Gonzalez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=burlingame&state=CA&age=52&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=38&y=5

Speaking about ghosts, I just realized that there was a major drugs bust in my 'hood in 2009
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html

Egads! Wth is going on? Maybe this is why Kaine said up to 4 years.

[sassifrass]

neighbor: could you please email me at the addy on my sig line. Thanks

Sorry for the OT.

[Lake Erie Princess]

Out of curiosity:
                      Does anyone know what happened regarding the Horman's little girl ? Does she remain with Kaine, & did Terri ever get granted supervised or ANY visitation with her child ?

[Kokos Cat]

Out of curiosity:
                      Does anyone know what happened regarding the Horman's little girl ? Does she remain with Kaine, & did Terri ever get granted supervised or ANY visitation with her child ?

Princess,

As far as I know Kitty is with Kaine.  I don't believe Terri has been granted any visitation at all. I could be wrong, though.  Hope this helps...

Kokos

[Kokos Cat]

Sassi,

 
When you have time could you please clarify how the people listed at the same address as KH came into play? 

Are they CURRENTLY living there?
Was the phone number listed the same as KH's?
Where did this info come from?
Any idea when they resided on SI?

Also... regarding the info you just recently posted (from BOC)... I have no idea what's going on there! Could you please explain this to me?  I don't know how this company is related to Kyron's case. 

I know you're bizzy, but I feel it must be important, or you wouldn't have mentioned it...

Thanks!
 

Kokos


Below, please find the  posts that are confusing me...   

I posted this over at BOC. Just in case Blink is busy, I'm posting it over here also.

http://blinkoncrime.com/2011/01/30/fugitive-cop-shooter-david-durhams-house-located-in-new-kyron-horman-search-grid/comment-page-156/#comment-1705710

sassifrass says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23, 2011 at 10:12 am

@jan & Blinksters: I’m going to need more time on this whole UCC thing. What I’m finding is just not making sense to me. In the meantime, could you research ties to Araceli Enterprises, Inc (Don’t limit it to Washington) & Florinda Luna. There is more, but it’s a start.
It’s just getting weird and not making sense. Who the heck knows, I could be going down the wrong path.

Muchas Gracias?  I am lost, but looking forward to what you find.

It's not about Muchas Gracias. It's about Araceli Enterprises, Inc.

According to Washington Corporations,  Florinda Luna is the president of the company and registered agent of Araceli Enterprises, Inc.,.

http://wa.14thstory.com/araceli-enterprises-inc.html

But, this company, Araceli Enterprises, Inc, was already incorporated in San Diego, Ca by Araceli Martinez-Rose in 2002, an investigative reporter for KDTV in San Francisco.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/araceli-martinez-rose/21/701/660

According to Wiki Corporation the company was started by Sal Gonzalez .

http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Burlingame/araceli-enterprises-inc/43771939.aspx

So what I'm getting at is how can a company be incorporated by 3 different people? And, wth do they do under that corporation.

This is giving me a headache. I couldn't specifically find "the truck" lien, but I did find other liens. Typically if there is one lien, you'll find others.

Interesting.

I mentioned the restaurant, because Araceli shares an address at 117th Ave, Vancouver, WA according to 411.com.

Looking at some relations to the restaurant pointed me to Sunnyside, WA.  Maybe I am starting to see ghosts.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/columbian-vancouver-wash/mi_8100/is_20070805/muchas-momentum-chain-vancouver-mexican/ai_n51349025/

Did you see all the businesses (incl landscaping)? 
http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?fn=n&mn=&ln=Gonzalez&dobmm=&dobdd=&doby=&city=burlingame&state=CA&age=52&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=38&y=5

Speaking about ghosts, I just realized that there was a major drugs bust in my 'hood in 2009
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/oregon_busts_huge_drug_cartel.html

Egads! Wth is going on? Maybe this is why Kaine said up to 4 years.

[sassifrass]

Out of curiosity:
                      Does anyone know what happened regarding the Horman's little girl ? Does she remain with Kaine, & did Terri ever get granted supervised or ANY visitation with her child ?

Princess,

As far as I know Kitty is with Kaine.  I don't believe Terri has been granted any visitation at all. I could be wrong, though.  Hope this helps...

Kokos

I believe the divorce proceedings were suppose to continue this month, but there is only one week left, so most likely the MSM is not covering that right now. The RO, IIRC is about to run out, so who knows what's going to happen. Something has to shake.

Did you hear that? No? That's because EVRYONE is friggin silent while a little boy goes missing.

[sassifrass]

Sassi,

 
When you have time could you please clarify how the people listed at the same address as KH came into play? 

Are they CURRENTLY living there?
Was the phone number listed the same as KH's?
Where did this info come from?
Any idea when they resided on SI?

Also... regarding the info you just recently posted (from BOC)... I have no idea what's going on there! Could you please explain this to me?  I don't know how this company is related to Kyron's case. 

I know you're bizzy, but I feel it must be important, or you wouldn't have mentioned it...

Thanks!
 

Kokos


Below, please find the  posts that are confusing me...   


Koko: Rudy Sanchez (the LS who allegedly was a part of the sting in the MFH plot with Terri) had a UCC Lien in the state of Washington. In order to nail down RS and his associates, I needed to find out who and what he was associated with. So the easiest way for me to explain it is that there are hinky companies set up with him and known associates.

It has to do with Kyron because when he went "poof", someone was very smart in covering their tracks. Not just any "Joe Shmoe" from the street.

Does that make sense?

[sassifrass]

Oops! I got in your box!  Sorry about that. 

[Kokos Cat]

Aha!  Now I understand.  Thanks Sassi!