Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 - 4/20/11

[Tamikosmom]

The Trap

oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #743 3/14 -
« Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 01:28:45 PM »

I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated.  This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260


jen3560
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #826 11/07/09 -
« Reply #1854 on: December 08, 2009, 07:07:04 PM »

Kyle Kingman posts

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March 18, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
 
This trap was not lowered by crane, or whatever because it wasn't situated in a position that demonstrated "lowering", unless one end was really weighted down? I would think the ropes etc, to the crane would level it?

Lowering by a windlass or winch would not explain the impact depression from one corner of the trap.  If it were leveled, one would assume it would fall level.  This is further supported because the 4-point rigging was still on the trap.

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6268.msg1030568#msg1030568

[Nut44x4]

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated. This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260






COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???

This is very interesting Kermie! Thanks! 

[Tamikosmom]

Herby Merryweather is captain of a boat named "Dorothy".
http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/_dorothy_.html

Kermit

Could it be that unknown to the suspect who made the June 10th  confession ... Natalee Holloway's remains had been moved from the lighthouse/Arashi Beach area ... placed within a fish trap which was transported by boat a short distance out to sea ... transported to a location that ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words aligned with the Arashi Beach and ... then thrown overboard?

-  Is there a Merryweather connection to the cage?
-  Is there a Merryweather connection to the boat?
-  Is there a Merryweather connection to the Arashi Beach area?

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The June 10th Confession

ORANJESTAD, Aruba, June 12, 2005
Aruba Case Appears Stalled

Holloway's family rushed late Friday to an old stone lighthouse beside Arisha beach after Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that one of three young men in custody admitted that "something bad happened" to Holloway and was leading police to the scene of the alleged crime.
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/10/national/main700829.shtml


Higher Powers

Disposed - Patrick Vander Eem

PATRICK: Where the f--- is she Joran?
JORAN: I don’t know precisely.
PATRICK: How is it that you don’t know?
JORAN: Yea—
PATRICK: Higher power?
JORAN: Higher power—powers


Persistence Find - Arashi Beach

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case. He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee’s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective's brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  My opinion on Simian is that he is a detective/cop involved in the case since the beginning. My understanding is that there is only one of the originals remaining. He came to us during the search along with his brother who had a "vision" on where Natalee was disposed. The vision was cryptic and actually contained a latitude which from what he claimed could have been anywhere in the world. The brother thought they were coordinates, but it was just a latitude. Oddly, the latitude was within a half mile from where we found the trap and centered on Arashi beach. Basically, if you stood on land and pointed straight to the trap and were right on the money... this is what the difference amounts to. Based on this latitude we payed a little more attention to the northern portions of the search grid near that Latitude. The trap was found shortly after, within the original search area, but very close to the provided latitude. I would have found the trap without the latitude, but it was very strange.

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

[Kermit]

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January, 2008

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kermit

It would appear the Arubans assumed complete control of not only the content of the trap but the trap itself.  Could it be that Aruba did not want the Americans on board the Persistence asking the hard questions in regards to the orgins of the trap?

Janet

Any questions as to WHO IS BEHIND THE LAWSUIT are now answered.


 

[Kermit]

 
Reply #682 on: March 18, 2008, 09:28:45 AM  OCEANEXPLORER/KYLE
I learned from a source that there is only one place/person(?) on Aruba where a large commercial fish trap would have originated. This should make it a reasonable venture figuring out who's trap we found.  The next logical move would be after finding them, asking them to explain their missing trap.  1) How did they lose it  2) why was it lost where it was 3) what were it's contents when it was "lost" and 3) what boat was used to transport the trap.

Any ideas of who may have possessed such a trap?
Approx. 7.5 x 7.5 x 2.5ft, and 200-300lbs, hundreds of feet of rope complete with 4-point rigging.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366260#msg366260






COMPARISON OF CAGE AT MERRYWEATHER RESIDENCE AND THE CAGE FOUND BY RV PERSISTENCE


COULD THE CAGE/TRAP BE RELATED TO THE MERRYWEATHER'S ZOO TRAPS???

This is very interesting Kermie! Thanks! 

No credit to me. ALL CREDIT to my cohort FBI guy. FBI= Fuzzy Bear Investigator .

[Tamikosmom]

Any questions as to WHO IS BEHIND THE LAWSUIT are now answered.


 

Kermit

No questions in regards to the Aruban financial backers who are behind the defamation lawsuit filed against Phil McGraw.  Attorney Charles Babcock has no doubt.

However ... I do question in regards to what foundation did the Aruban financial backers derive from which convinced them that they had even a remote chance of winning.  It was a given that there was no way Phil McGraw would settle if he had not "manipulated" the recording that his viewing audience was privy to.  The truth contained within Skeeters' hard drive was on his side.

Janet

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Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM

McGraw and two Surinamese brothers in the Natalee Holloway case may be up in the air at the moment. However, the TV star's attorney is in a take-no-prisoners mood responding to recent media articles that suggest his side is losing.

"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News.

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Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

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http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/

[texasmom]

PHILIP'S ANIMAL GARDEN, Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Xyc8gZXz8

[klaasend]

PHILIP'S ANIMAL GARDEN, Aruba

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Xyc8gZXz8

That was just uploaded a couple weeks ago.

[Buckeye]

The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 

[texasmom]

If I understand that correctly, Liliana Mathew has been allowed to go to her mother's in the U. S.

http://www.diario.aw/wp-content/themes/diario/images/fb.jpg
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http://www.diario.aw/2011/04/famoso-abogado-hulandes-awe-lo-defende-matthew-den-corte/

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One Response to 'Famoso abogado Hulandes awe lo defende Matthew den Corte'

April 1, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Frequent flyer
wow … now where would this guy get the money to pay Uncle Bram to come all the way to Aruba to represent him?

http://www.amigoenieuws.com/PDF%20amigoearu/01-04-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz in Aruba

ORANGE CITY - Lawyer Bram Moszkowicz is the courthouse where the pro forma session today in the Foxy Lady case took place. Left, right Prosecutor Lars Stempher inside. Moszkowicz represents four to five months since Alex Mathew, owner of strip club
Foxy Lady in San Nicolas. On December 17, 2010 there was also a pro forma hearing held in this case. Then Mathew represented by attorney John Zara. After the previous hearing was told on April 1, 2011 dealing with the case would occur, but this was again a pro forma session.
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Mathew is accused of trafficking, exploitation, threats, assault, rape, abuse and several other serious crimes.
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[Buckeye]

The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71621081@N00/59425084

[wreck]

The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 

Also a good catch!!!  Ithink Kermit is on to something!!!! 

[klaasend]

Part of Deepak's depostion:

[klaasend]

The Merryweather boat is called Dorothy???......? Daury???

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71621081@N00/59425084

There is a Dorothy Fishing Charter in Aruba but not registered to Merryweather:

http://www.worldwidefishing.com/aruba/b3161/index.html?page_type=salt&state_page=aruba&company=Dorothy+Fishing+Charters+Aruba

DOROTHY FISHING/ROBERTO B. TROMP
 
Business address    DRIEMASTERSTRAAT 9, ORANJESTAD WEST
Legal form    SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company    DOROTHY FISHING/ROBERTO B. TROMP
Date of commencement    1 JANUARY 1996
     
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS
TROMP, ROBERTO BENANCIO;
   
Born in    ARUBA on 1 APRIL 1949
Nationality    DUTCH
Position    OWNER
Effective    2 FEBRUARY 1996
Authority    FULL
 
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

[klaasend]

http://www.caribbeanedge.com/aruba/activities/fishing/dorothy_charters.html

Aruba Fishing

Dorothy Charters

Dorothy is a 34 ft. fishing boat manned by Captain Herby Merryweather. For a great fishing trip that is sure to reel in a big smile if not a big fish, contact one of the telephone numbers below.

Half day: US $320 Included soda.
Full day: US $600 Included: soda and food.

Sorry - had forgotten he was just the Captain 

[klaasend]

http://www.arubapearl.com/Activities-Water-Beaches-Snorkeling-Aruba.shtml

"Driftwood" (Deluxe)
Capt. Herby Merryweather
Length: 35 ft.
Tel (297) 587-7473 / (297) 583-2515

[klaasend]

May have already been posted:

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_search.afp

HERBERT MERRYWEATHER
 
Business address    ALTO VISTA 116, NOORD
Legal form    SOLE OWNERSHIP
Name of the company    HERBERT MERRYWEATHER
Date of commencement    4 FEBRUARY 2005
     
NOT IN POSSESION OF A BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENT LICENCE
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS
MERRYWEATHER, HERBERT SYDNEY;
   
Born in    CANADA, MONTREAL on 6 DECEMBER 1954
Nationality    DUTCH
Position    OWNER
Effective    4 FEBRUARY 2005
Authority    FULL

[klaasend]

Hmmmmm very interesting.  A horse connection 

http://www.americanpasofinos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=269

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Old 12-10-2005, 05:54 PM
Brigitte Brigitte is offline
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Reymidas De Monte Verde. He was owned by Herby Merryweather and he was here for a year or more, I'm not sure. My friend has a filly by him, very fast, but very lazy and VERY short. There are two more Reymidas offspring here. One that came from Curacao is looking very promissing. And contrary to my friend's mare is TALL and has brio. I'll post some pics later of them

[klaasend]

http://www.suscaballos.net/foros/index.php?topic=13003.0;wap2

Thru translator, Spanish to English:

** MAXIMUM ASDESILLA CHAMPION AND DEFEAT IN STAINED GLASS ROSE **

(1 / 1)

4 Times:
Many congratulations to my friend Herby Merryweather of Aruba and the kennel owner Alto Vista for this very good win.

The horse returned Alto Vista Maximo handling of her shawl Adolfo Montoya who put him back in his spot and beat the very good horse also Vitral La Rosa on two occasions, the cetagoria and the championship. Not only that, also defeated Independiente which is one of Colombia's current promises.

The horse for me was the best presentation in his career and if I say so is to give a good fight among the best. Already confirmed for the Classic in R.D. so a lot of quality but to give this competition.

Once again congratulations!

Rey Rodriguez

[klaasend]

http://www.elbuenpixel.com/forwards/tera_news/page/3





http://www.24ora.com/deporte-mainmenu-7/21965-ta-anticipa-un-mainbout-entre-maximo-y-melao-of-ritmico-y-escandalo-durante-interpaso-2010.html

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E guera grandi di fin di siman tin su enfoke riba e competencia di paso fino, caminda den macho cabaynan di taya mundial ta bin topa otro riba suela Arubiano. Den macho tin un mainbout silencioso formando entre cabaynan cu ya tin un trayectoria grandi di campeonato nan tras. E ciruhano Dr. Alvaro Arana di Cali a tuma e riesgo di bin competi cu su cabay “Melao de Caña”, sabiendo cu e lo enfrenta, cu tambe riba e mesun vuelo, e cabay di hopi campeonato “Maximo de Alto Vista” de Herby Merryweather.

“Melao” ta yiu di e famoso Dulce Sueño den Berenjena, cu ta un di e miho padrotenan di Colombia y ta bin cu un record di a gana varios gran campeonato. “Maximo”, siendo yiu di Capuchino, e padrot di mas renombra di tur tempo no ta baha cabes den rasa y sigur no cu un mama manera Carioca. E cabay a bira entre otro Gran Campeon di e feria di Medellin na 2007 y Gran Campeon Reservado di e Feria Metropolitano. Aña pasa el a bira prome den e Clasico del Paso Fino de las Americas celebra na Republica Dominicana.

Si esey no ta suficiente tin dos otro contendor serio cu tambe ta aspirando un posicion den e mainbout. “Ritmico” di Alex Mansur ta wardando trankil na Aruba pa enfrenta loke ta biniendo. Aki nos por menciona e cabay “Escandalo” procedente di Medellin cu despues di un bon actuacion na Merca y biaha pa Colombia y awor ta yegando Aruba for di Colombia.