Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #857 3/20/11 - 4/20/11

[klaasend]

resigned Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:59 pm

future hearing -

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

Source: RU

Klaas

Is the above related to yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing?

Janet

NO, that is pertaining to a Motion to Compel evidence that was filed and hearing set prior to the Summary Judgement hearing.

Thanks Klaas.

Considering the May 11th Motion to Compel was not listed on the sheduled hearings that you posted ... I thought maybe it may have been an outcome of the April 14th Summary Judgement hearing.

Nevertheless ... I assumed that reporters would have been waiting outside the courtroom on April 14th competing for the "Breaking News".

Janet

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Janet - the hearing for the Summary Judgement is scheduled for April 11, 2011. 

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

04/11/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion for Summary Judgment

If the judge rules NO on the Summary Judgement then the trial begins on June 13, 2011

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)

Janet - it is likely the judge listened to everything in the hearing and said he would review it all and give his answer at a later date which I expect would be done quickly.  Thus the reporters waiting for info wouldn't have anything to report on yet.

[Kat_Gram]

Pink Thingie, at work, me starts laffing like a loon.
Peeps look at me, I keep laffing.
Ah, the weekend. ! !
We need a pink thingie here at my work, have a great Friday Nite everyone. 
Thank you Angie !  I'm off for home.

[texasmom]

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::

[Tamikosmom]

Thank Klaas.

I know that you and others want this lawsuit to go to trial but ... I am very uneasy.

Other than the Kay Skeeters' portion of the defamation lawsuit ... the court has ruled against every motion that Phil McGraw's attorneys have filed.

Over a four year period the lawsuit has not been thrown out despite the inability or refusal of the plaintiffs to comply with court requests/deadlines.  Why?

Kay Skeeters?  The court may have determined that there was insufficient evidence to implicate her husband in any wrongdoing encompassing the recording but ... in the end Kay/McGraw was left holding the bag in regards to $127,000 in legal costs.

At this point in time I would be satisfied if the court ruled on yesterday's Summary Judgement hearing:

"CASE DISMISSED"!  "HISTORY IMPLIES THAT DEEPAK AND SATISH KALPOE CANNOT BE DEFAMED"!

Janet

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Libel Proof

Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT

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A lawsuit filed in December 2006 by Surinamese brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe maintains they were defamed in a Sept. 15, 2005, "Dr. Phil" show, when it was alleged they gave Holloway a date-rape drug and had non- consensual group sex with her. They also contend the episode implied they helped kill Holloway and dispose of her body.

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges. In addition to defamation, the Kalpoes' suit alleges invasion of privacy, emotional distress, fraud, deceit and civil conspiracy.

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.

<snipped>

The brothers also did not ask for a correction of the "Dr. Phil" broadcast in time and are limited public figures, meaning they have to prove malice by CBS and the other defendants, the defense attorneys argue.

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

Kermit - Scared Monkeys

[Tamikosmom]

Giving the plaintiffs the benefit of the doubt ... it could be that the ongoing so-called Aruban investigation implied that Natalee Holloway case documents could not be released if requested by the defendants in the defamation lawsuit.  However ... considering the court was aware of the plaintiffs' position regarding this issue ... why was the lawsuit not dismissed by the court until compliance was possible?

Janet

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Holloway Case: New Kalpoe Documents
Friday, September 14, 2007

JOHN KELLY, FAMILY'S ATTORNEY: I believe David Koch (ph), one of the attorneys for the Kalpoes actually signed a declaration at the court indicating that even if the court ordered the documents be turned over, they were not going to turn them over, which was sort of, for lack of a better word, arrogant on his part. The court did not necessarily like that.

But I can't see them both using the courts as a sword and then a shield. They can't bring this action, they can't seek damages and not obey the orders of the court and expect their case to go forward.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296798,00.html

STILL SUSPECTS in Holloway case

[Tamikosmom]

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT - ANOTHER CONFESSION

An Above the Ground Tomb?

Klaas
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #832 4/22/10 - 6/2/10
« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2010, 06:38:39 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7363.msg1123137#msg1123137


Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?
April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

<snipped>

Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.

<snipped>

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

[Tamikosmom]

CBB,  I didn't mention that I do agree with you about Beth, but I believe she has accepted it in her heart through God and able to help other you women.  God always has a reason for everything, thought may not understand.  Maybe by Beth doing her lectures, imagine how many other young girls have been saved?!  If that is so, then Natalee is looking down, proud and in peace, knowing how special her mother is.

Joran is literally rotting in jail.  That is SOME justice, if nothing else.  The world is just a little safer.

I agree!  Also ... whenever Beth has a speaking engagement ... those in attendance will be reminded that a corrupt Aruban investigation denied and continues to deny her missing daughter the justice she is entitled to under Dutch law.

Janet

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Everytime She Speaks

NANCY GRACE
Aired February 15, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

JUG TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FAMILY:  Well, I`ll tell you, Holly, one thing, you know, Beth -- and of course it`s heartbreaking for her too, I know. And -- but Beth has a ton of speaking engagements. You know, she travels across the country. And she`ll continue to do that. And I hate it for the Aruban people because they`re going to hear this every time she speaks to the high schools and the colleges in the civic organizations out there. It`s just going to be, you know, over and over again what happened down there.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/15/ng.01.html

[Blonde]

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::

Well if he did this I think it would be easy to see all that died in Aruba in the weeks after Natalee  went missing and who was buried in an above the ground tomb

[Buckeye]

http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979229142

Natalee Holloway: Did Joran Van Der Sloot Bury Her Alive?

April 15, 2011 04:35 PM EDT

Natalee Holloway might have been buried alive in a shallow grave by Joran Van Der Sloot. The 23-year-old Dutchman reportedly confessed to a prison snitch and gave up new details surrounding her death. The question is can you trust anything that Joran says is true?
 ::snipping2::
According to the reports out by the National Enquirer, Sloot confessed to a Peruvian prison informant that he killed Natalee accidentally after she repeatedly rejected his sexual advances.
 ::snipping2::
An investigative 'insider' claims that "Joran revealed to the prison snitch that in emails he told a buddy he became enraged when Natalee refused to have sex with him, and when he ignored her protests and started groping her, she slapped him."
They went on to say that this rejection made Joran angry and he lost control of himself as a result. He both beat and strangled her and only realized what it was that he had done when she was lying there nearly dead.
"At that point he buried her body in a shallow grave in the sand where she eventually died from her injuries."
 ::snipping2::
Joran bragged that he paid off a funeral home worker to get her body inside another man's coffin for burial. He also revealed that the body is in an above the ground tomb and that his father who was an Aruban attorney did, indeed aid him in concealing the body, as so many had suspected.
 ::snipping2::

Link no longer works.

Uhm up until now there hasn't been any more person detained.Maybe that was a news mixup.Today Mr Lejuez (not sure who he is representing)adressed a local radio with some other facts.Or potential facts may I say.
Supposedly Joran van der Sloot was crying in his cell where he is held. And he started talking to Jones(one of the security Guards who is also still held).He said that he thinks that the Kalpoe bro's might be up to something.HE added that it seemed as if they are trying to make it seem like he killed Ms Holloway.So he decided to "confess".He said that the Kalpoe brothers dropped him off FIRST.At the goobyes he exchanged email information with Ms Holloway and then he got out of the car.Came monday , they decided to tell the police that all 3 of them dropped Ms NAtalee , and invented the entire 2 security guard story.
My question: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ? Now you want to "confess" again? And without telling a reason WHY the 3 of you had decided to come up with a story?You're all guilty..this is guilty behavior.
But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)...Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do.
That is how much i know of this 'rumor'.
This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can't even think straight ,so they confess to this.
I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It's utter and completely wrong.
May god rest Natalee's soul..
58. Posted by AuA82 | June 13, 2005 4:44 PM

A little truth...Natalee slapped him...he went crazy and his father is the one that returned with him??

[Buckeye]

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6341:start-meldpunt-en-campagne-mensenhandel&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

Google translation:

Start hotline and trafficking campaign

Wednesday, 15 April 2011 5:26 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - "Open your eyes," the company information and awareness campaign launched by the government to better address trafficking. Moreover, the reporting number 592-3231 open 24 hours a day where people suspected trafficking cases to report. In the coming weeks, the government also hang up posters and distributing leaflets to inform people better. For many this is still unknown and the government knows at this time how big the problem in Aruba.

But that trafficking occurs here is reality, says Jeanette Richardson, national coordinator Trafficking and smuggling. With the ongoing case Foxy Lady Aruba has its second ever human trafficking case. A conviction for trafficking has never occurred since the 2006 act is punishable here, says Richardson. At this time will be mapped out what risk there, so for example the sex, escort services, the construction industry and supermarkets. But to truly know the extent of human trafficking, according to Richardson, this is more research. It is not easy because trafficking victims are often afraid and therefore do not report. The campaign, the government therefore calls on the community to report suspicious activities. Richardson gives the example maid almost never free, and looks bad. Whether the so-called 'animeermeisjes in San Nicolas or construction workers who spend long hours running. "We see them, but we see them really," the national coordinator.
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The same reason there are no murders, no child molestings and no problems, on the happy island.  No one is prosecuted much less convicted and the victims are revictimized or know better than to talk.

[texasmom]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,

AND STEPHANY!

 

[Tamikosmom]

In the Range Rover "confession" of January, 2008 ... Joran tells Patrick Vander Eem that his father had no involvement in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005.  However ... since his father's death ... two "confessions" (extortion/crypt) have now emerged where Joran does implicate Paulus and ... another "confession" (human trafficking) implies that Paulus had knowledge.

Janet

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A Smidgen of Truth

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #830 2/25/10 -
« Reply #494 on: February 27, 2010, 08:30:43 PM »

I haven't seen anyone here at SM that believes 100% of what Joran says whether it be the Range Rover story or the most recent falling off balcony story.  I do believe many feel as though with every lie is a smidgen of truth. 

It's clear to me that Joran is simply throwing stuff out there hoping it sticks and in the process making some $$.  He knows that he's already paid the consequence of unlawful disposal of a corpse.  Could be that the stories not involving K2 are in hopes of K2 getting a large settlement from Dr. Phil and sharing with Joran.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7126.msg1083973#msg1083973


The Story Changed

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 21
updated 3/22/2006 11:28:13 AM ET
 
<snipped>

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.

<snipped>
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11959619/


Face to Face with Paulus

Loving Natalee – Beth Holloway

Page 151:  Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots.  First I tie one on Anita’s arm, then ask  Paulus if he would like one.  He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson’s disease, and tries very hard to hold it up.  What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think – a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front yard in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home.  I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yarn.

“Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse.  It’s Ecclesiastes 4:12.  “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.  A cord of three stands is not quickly broken.””  I finish the tying and gently pat the knot.  “There you go.”

And right then the bracelet looks different to me.  I see the three cords as the suspects, and the knot as the end holding them together as Paulus.  It’s not just clear – it’s crystal clear.   There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee.  We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.

[Buckeye]

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)
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 04/14/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Submitted


04/12/2011 Notice of Lodging
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 

I have no idea what this all means.  I'm hoping the Motion to Compel is making the Kalpoes reveal who is backing them so Dr. Phil can take them to the cleaners.   

[Tamikosmom]

If Joran's latest alleged confession to a "Peruvian prison informant" is a reality ... the confession that implicates Paulus in the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... I can only assume that a retraction will be forthcoming.

Janet

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CONFESSIONS - RETRACTIONS

Paulus' Involvement - The Extortion "Confession"

Holloway attorney details van der Sloot sting
updated 6/11/2010 12:58:39 PM ET

<snipped>

Van der Sloot himself told Kelly in an e-mail he apparently sent from Peru a week after the meeting that he had lied.

“He indicated it was all a hoax, which is sort of his M.O. with everybody — get the money, then say it’s a hoax and avoid criminal prosecution,” Kelly said.   

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/37635627


Paulus' Involvment - The Human Trafficking "Confession"

Fallout From Joran van der Sloot's 'On the Record' Interview
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Coming up: You heard Joran van der Sloot in an interview done in Thailand say he sold Natalee, but eight hours later, before we had even gotten out of Thailand, an e-mail flashed across my BlackBerry.  Joran said he lied to us.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Paulus' Non-Involvement - The Range Rover "Confession"

Report: Van Der Sloot Says He Lied About Holloway
February 1, 2008

But in a new development, van der Sloot now says that he was lying when he privately told an acquaintance that he was involved in Holloway's disappearance.

"It is true I told someone. Everybody will see it Sunday," Van der Sloot said on the Dutch television show "Pauw & Witteman," according to The Associated Press.

"That is what he wanted to hear, so I told him what he wanted to hear," Van der Sloot said, adding that he never fully trusted the man to whom he'd confessed.

"It is so stupid, it is so stupid, it is really stupid," Van der Sloot said, his voice cracking, the AP reported.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4235362&page=1

[Tamikosmom]

MOTION TO COMPEL

What motion to compel means?
In: Civil Process, Civil Cases
 
A Motion to Compel is filed by a party seeking information from another party or non-party to a pending lawsuit. The motion essentially asks a judge to require the other party to provide information or documents to the party who filed the motion.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_motion_to_compel_means
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_motion_to_compel_means#ixzz1JXF08cnA

Is disclosure of those financially backing plaintiffs a legal right in a civil lawsuit?

Anyways ... the Motion to Compel may be a non-issue if the court's ruling of Summary Judgment motion implies that the Defamation Lawsuit is dismissed.

Janet

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Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM

<snipped>

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

<snipped>

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/

[texasmom]

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/27/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel

06/06/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference (T/D 6-13-2011)

06/13/2011 at 08:32 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (J/T 35 DAY EST.)
-------------

 04/14/2011 at 08:32 am in Department 69, Ramona G. See, Presiding
Motion for Summary Judgment - Submitted


04/12/2011 Notice of Lodging
Filed by Attorney for Defendant/Respondent

https://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/onlineServices/civilIndex/

 

I have no idea what this all means.  I'm hoping the Motion to Compel is making the Kalpoes reveal who is backing them so Dr. Phil can take them to the cleaners.   

Not sure if this applies here, but I was wondering what the "Notice of Lodging" meant so I looked around a little...

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_notice_of_lodging_order

What is notice of lodging order?
In: Civil Lawsuits, Court Procedure, Contract Law [Edit categories]


To answer your question simply, it's the filing of the final documents to the court in regards to your case. Like the saying goes "lodging a complaint" you are "lodging your documents" with the court. The opposing party than has a certain time to respond usually 10 days otherwise within about 4 weeks the order becomes official and signed by judge.
Note: There are comments associated with this question. See the discussion page to add to the conversation.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_notice_of_lodging_order#ixzz1JiKP9X8Z

[klaasend]

The current National Enquirer dated 4/25/2011:

[crazybabyborg]

Thanks for posting the article, Klaas. I read it in line at the grocery store a few days ago, but it's nice to be able to take my time! 

[texasmom]

Thanks Klaas!   

[grace-land]

Thanks, Klaas.

The "...almost a diary of his crimes," statement in the article in the National Enquirer of 4-25-2011 reminded me of an article by profiler, John Douglas.

http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/articles/030213.php

Why Killers Take Trophies
Reliving the Crime Extends the Fantasy

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Follow press coverage closely

They'll follow the case very closely and keep newspaper clips of their crimes. This is helpful to the investigator -- something you want to look for when you initiate a search warrant.

Assassins are notorious for keeping news clips. Assassin-type personalities will also keep diaries. The disorganized type of criminal -- that's the asocial type, the loners, the weird -- will keep diaries because they have trouble communicating with others so they feel much more comfortable writing out their thoughts, plans, goals or fantasies. Sirhan Sirhan, who gunned down Sen. Robert F. Kennedy, and Arthur Bremer, the would-be assassin who shot and paralyzed Alabama's then-Gov. George Wallace, kept diaries describing the fantasies they wanted to act out.

It's like in the Wild West, where they used to cut notches in a gun. The whole thing seems like it's relived. It's fantasy, but it never ends. It doesn't even end when you incarcerate the killers.