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« on: July 19, 2006, 06:27:39 PM »

This is a transcript from a translation done by an internet poster called Arubagirl.  It has been fomatted for easier reading.  This conversation was recorded without the knowlege of the participants as they all three sat in the back seat of a police car on June 24th.
 

Deepak:  How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit.  (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your father.  You know it. That he wasn't arrested.
Joran: How? How? (stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers.  And this is how you pay it back. (now with an angry voice) I should hit you both once [een klap moeten geven].
Deepak: Then try it. You can make it better in one time.
Joran:  About what? You can also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak:  I'm going home.
Joran:  Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak:  I guarantee you.
Joran: Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car?  
[the word 'geraakt' is being used, translated here literally, but you can use the word 'hit' also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], you let me laugh boy, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [choller]?  I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.
Deepak:  And, I also said that.
Joran:  That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish:   I have already told that before.  I have also said that in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That is what the police tells me now.  Police says now to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We don't put you in trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two don't do.  The half of what you two have said isn't the fxxxing truth. It will come forward. Just like they check me, they check you two also.
Satish:  With us, with us, can they get evidence, but with you not. [ a bit unclear: It's: bij ons, bij ons. Kunnen zij bewijzen krijgen, maar bij jou nief] With lies, you don't get evidence,
Joran:  All that shit of "Karen," all of you two don't know of no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak:  You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran:  We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran:  I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see
Satish:  I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak:  I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran:  I have said nothing about burying.  The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right?   Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right.  And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran:  Who has said that?
Satish:  You said that.
Joran:  I have never said that friend.  I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran:  We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran:  The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak:  Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran:  What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father
Satish:  We didn't declare anything.
Joran:  Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran:  You are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body], there is no case or I don't what.  All shit. That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is, if there is no body [lichaam = body], then there isn't a case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran:  That's not true.
Deepak:  I also said in my statement, that it wasn't meant like that.
Joran:  Didn't read it in your statement. They use that now against my father.
Deepak:  We suffered a lot because of you.
Joran:  That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It doesn't make a fxxxing difference to me. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers:  Me too.  Me too.
Joran:  And you Satish, they're telling me that you asshole, see ghosts in the [jail]cell. They told me that you saw the girl in your cell and that you were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two other boys were seeing ghosts.  You also believe the people who are here in jail. That has nothing to do with ghosts and that is just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you.  And also the two security guards, they have guaranteed me that they will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran:  Who has declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? because I don't want to put anyone in trouble who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You admitted that.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran:  You two paid him off, right.
Brothers:   ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran:  You said then via the telephone like, that I have the jackpot. You said now [?] through the phone , I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget that the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak:  Shut your trap [hou je bek]
Joran:  You forget that, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it". Good for you [meaning your own fault]. because of you he is also in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers)Man, what can you go do? [illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]  
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no.
Brothers: Fxxx you, we don't talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak:  Shut your trap.  Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran:  If my father doesn't leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth before I hit it shut.
Deepak: Do it then, you're already in jail.
Joran:  Doesn't matter to me. They can even put me in the fxxxing solitary [cashot]. It doesn't matter to me.
Deepak:  They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Joran:  For what? for what?
Deepak:  That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who?  By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn't lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran:  I should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Won't be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge of instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran:  Then they are also allowed to hit me. Do you think that it makes a difference to me. One slap will be enough.
Satish:  You think, you think.
Joran:  What do you think, that you are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish:  Look, the police already went to my house and already investigated [searched] the house. Did they find a gun? What will she get?  ["Wat zal zij krijgen." The word 'zij' is for the word 'she' or for 'they', but they use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why is that shit not true?  Witnesses saw you.
Satish:  In the end we will see, who gets out and who stays.  You tell the truth, we shall see.
Joran:  I know that I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 04:13:26 AM »

OF asked me to post this in this thread, so I am. The Bold is the transcript, and the other type is my opinion. Wink  At least it's my opinion today.  Laughing



Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Daddy's arrest was foremost on Joran's mind
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened.
Now, there's a warning to Deepak to keep his mouth shut about what happened.(then angrily) So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested? here it is, right next to Daddy. Joran is alarmed that Freddy has come up around this case.
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth. Why would Deepak want Freddy to tell the truth. Obviously he thinks it would help himself and his brother.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth. Joran is suspicious of the conversation being recorded. I think he's talking to the mike here.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your father. You know it. That he wasn't arrested.
Joran said that it was Paulus's first time in the casino. Maybe it was his first time picking out a girl? Maybe, Joran was bringing Paulus in on a good thing?
Joran: How? How? (stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers. And this is how you pay it back. (now with an angry voice) I should hit you both once [een klap moeten geven].
Deepak: Then try it. You can make it better in one time.
Joran: About what? You can also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days
Deepak seems much more comfortable with "the truth" in this case than Joran is. and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Joran is threatening them here, Interestingly, Joran says, "tell stuff" without indicating whether the stuff is true or not. It's a contrast to Deepak's remarks to Joran.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car?
AHAH! I think this is important! "a girlĒ, not "the" girl. I wonder if Joran reaches to an old truth to make good on his threat about them not going home? So far, IMO, this conversation is far more implicating to Joran and Freddy and more subvertly to Paulus, than anyone else.
[the word 'geraakt' is being used, translated here literally, but you can use the word 'hit' also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], you let me laugh boy, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran always tries to cause strife between the brothers? Satishís and Deepakís reaction to Joranís threat doesnít seem to be overly alarmed. Joran hasnít found the leverage  heís looking for yet, and continues next, by calling on loyaltyÖ..
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [choller]? I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend. THE ChoHer/choler. I think weíre back to Nataleeís case here.
Deepak: And, I also said that.
Joran: That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish: I have already told that before. I have also said that in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That is what the police tells me now. Police says now to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
This is clearly an intentional attempt to manipulate the interrogations according to what they reveal. Joran seems to threaten them if they tell the truth, IMO. ***The previous 6 exchanges verify that ďThe cholerĒ refers to Natís case.***
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We don't put you in trouble. We just tell the truth. Another reference to the K2s more comfortability with the truth than Joranís.
Joran: That you two don't do. The half of what you two have said isn't the fxxxing truth. It will come forward. Just like they check me, they check you two also.
Satish: With us, with us, can they get evidence, but with you not. [ a bit unclear: It's: bij ons, bij ons. Kunnen zij bewijzen krijgen, maar bij jou nief] With lies, you don't get evidence,
At this point in the conversation, the Kalpoes don't appear afraid of the truth, but Joran sure does! IMO  Satish seems to make the point that truth is easier to back up with evidence than lies.
Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all of you two don't know of no shit. Fxxx you two. IMO, Joran is making a point in reply to Satishís comment. Joran indicates that at least when it comes to Karen, the K2s do know something about her.
 
Deepak: You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]  I think this refers to Karen, not Natalee. I think Deepak was saying to Joran, ďYou think the girl has nothing on you and goes on to suggest that Karen may very well f**k Joran instead of vice versa in the end.
Joran: We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you. I think that Joran begins right here to talk to the mike and his fatherís advice to be wary of being alone with Deepak and Satish is ringing in his ears. I think Deepakís point has caused Joran to be careful.
Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see Joran continues his speech to the mike
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Deepak isnít playing Joranís listening game. He goes back to their situation and the info heís gotten from the interrogations.
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
IMO, they had discussed a possible story involving these folks and a flat tire. Maybe they had a comrade there that they hoped would back up the story. Joran falters here a bit in his speech pattern, "the only thing I can think of and "you know"....
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
 Joran denies implicating Satish, but they all seem familiar with the flat tire story.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit. Joran goes from saying he would laugh if they find her alive to saying, That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit. It could also mean that evidence is buried with her.
What will "they" see? Obviously all 3 KNOW what will be seen.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Deepakís referring to Paulus and seems to think Joranís actions have implicated Paulus.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.  Finally! Truth from Joran! Iím sure heís finally been put in a position that heís listening to his parents.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father
Joran blames Paulusí arrest on the declaration instead of what CAUSED the situation. This statement screams knowledge and guilt, IMO.
Satish: We didn't declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body], there is no case or I don't what. All shit. That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is, if there is no body [lichaam = body], then there isn't a case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: I also said in my statement, that it wasn't meant like that.
Deepak seems to explain that even though he revealed that Paulus said that, he didnít implicate or reveal to the police that Paulus got rid of the body.
Joran: Didn't read it in your statement. They use that now against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot because of you.
Deepak doesnít say, ďWe suffered a lot because of what happened, but says ďbecause of youĒ
Joran: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It doesn't make a fxxxing difference to me. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.
Joran: And you Satish, they're telling me that you asshole, see ghosts in the [jail]cell. They told me that you saw the girl in your cell and that you were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two other boys were seeing ghosts. You also believe the people who are here in jail. That has nothing to do with ghosts and that is just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you. And also the two security guards, they have guaranteed me that they will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran: Who has declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? because I don't want to put anyone in trouble who has nothing to do with the case.
Joran is beginning to allude to Steve Croes, IMO.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you. This response was knee-jerk enough to spill forth from both of them simultaneously, and at high decibels. This response is truth, IMO.
Joran: You admitted that.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
I believe that Deepak did secure Croes as a corroboration to the Security Guard story, and he or Satish asserts here that it was done for Joranís benefit.
Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said then via the telephone like, that I have the jackpot. You said now [?] through the phone , I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget that the phone is tapped, right?
The ďjackpotĒ statement is referring to Croes, IMO. It is evident from this statement that the legalities and the cautionary tactics have been well discussed. Paulusí contributions, Iím sure. This brings the e-mails that were constructed to my mind as well.
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [hou je bek]
Joran: You forget that, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it". Good for you [meaning your own fault]. because of you he is also in jail.
 The ďheĒ here is Croes.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers)Man, what can you go do? [illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no.
Brothers: Fxxx you, we don't talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: Shut your trap. Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran: If my father doesn't leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth before I hit it shut.
Deepak: Do it then, you're already in jail.
Joran: Doesn't matter to me. They can even put me in the fxxxing solitary [cashot]. It doesn't matter to me.
Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
The Bombshell that says they all know what happened. Thatís clear, IMO. Itís less clear to me that they all have equal involvement.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn't lie.
Boy, thatís revealing, IMO. It would seem that K2s have lied  for Joran, and Joran just turned it on them. Their reaction supports that he hits a markÖ
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Won't be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge of instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
 K2s seem to believe that there is evidence to be found that implicates Joran.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 01:24:08 PM »

'Shut your trap about what?? This is all so OBVIOUS, has been obvious since day one and NO ONE on Aruba sees it.....WELL...wait, they all see it and still to this day COVER IT! Cover for what ever reason. These kids are going DOWN!! Time will tell all. I hate the wait along with you all here, but I feel the truth is near.
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2006, 05:07:01 PM »

Joran: That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
- Reading statements....huummm...sounds like Joran is getting inside information.  Why is that?  Three guesses, boys and girls.  Can you spell P-A-U-L-U-S?


Joran: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok.  
- Joran must be guilty of something...he would never offer to take the blame for anything if he were inncocent.  I don't know why, but I find this statement really disturbing.


Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
 - This probably refers to a homicide committed by a minor.

NET - I'm sure Paulus told Joran not to talk in the police car...probably told him he would be recorded.  Joran's daddy being arrested is definitely a hot button for Joran.

- Sol
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2006, 05:13:07 PM »

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Joran: That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
- Reading statements....huummm...sounds like Joran is getting inside information.  Why is that?  Three guesses, boys and girls.  Can you spell P-A-U-L-U-S?

Joran: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok.  
- Joran must be guilty of something...he would never offer to take the blame for anything if he were inncocent.  I don't know why, but I find this statement really disturbing.


Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
 - This probably refers to a homicide committed by a minor.

NET - I'm sure Paulus told Joran not to talk in the police car...probably told him he would be recorded.  Joran's daddy being arrested is definitely a hot button for Joran.

- Sol


I agree with all of this except the one in bold.  One would assume that it's common practice to have suspects read other supects statements in order to catch them in inaccuracies (or outright lies).  Not really sure it'd be because of any inside info that that would occur...

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2006, 01:25:49 PM »

You might be right, but I thought it was a bit early in the investigation for the ALE to share actual statements between the boys.

Even the village idiot would have to agree that, after reading this transcript, it's pretty apparent that the boys have more to tell.

Corruption vs. law enforcement (round 1)...looks like corruption won this battle.  Will it win the war?

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2006, 12:20:37 PM »

Translation of the Natalee Holloway Case police report
Kalpoe brothers and Joran van der Sloot accuse each other
DIARIO Aruba
4/20/2006

ORANJESTAD (AAN)

D says to J: How do you feel Joran?
J says to D (in an upset tone): You had them arrest my father, my friend
D says to J (very calmly): Thatís what Iím telling you, how do you feel?
J says to D: You know very well my fatherís not involved
J says to D: I read your declaration, my friend.
D says to J: Thatís bullshit.
J says to D: You lied, shit.
J says to D (very calmly): You know what happened to the girl, if you donít know, then nothing happened to her.
J says to D: Then f*** you.
J says to D: What did you say that Freddy has to be detained?
D says to J: That Freddy has to say the truth.
J says to D: You know very well that Freddy told the truth.
S says to J: Youíll see, youíll see.
D says to J: From the beginning, you could have avoided the matter of your dad.
D says to J: You know.
J says to D: What, where, how?
D says to J: That he wouldnít have been detained.
J says to D: Hoe, hoeooooooo.
J says to D: You declared shit against him.
J says to D: My friend, the only thing my father wanted to do was to help you.
J says to D: My father only wanted to help you. My father even arranged a lawyer for you.
J says to D: And this is how you pay him back.
J says to D (angry): I have to give you both a klap/wanta [punch in the face?]
D says to J: Try numa [?]
D says to J: You can straighten everything out in one shot, you know
J says to D: Why?
J says to D: You can straighten things out too
J says to D: Straighten things out how?
D says to J: You have to tell the truth.
D says to J: Tomorrow Iím getting my last 8 days and then Iím going home.
J says to D: Thatís what you think.
D says to J: Iím going home.
J says to D: Wait until I start saying things about you.
J says to D: Then I want to see if youíre going home.
D says to J: I guarantee you.
J says to D: You donít think the police are interested to know that Satish hit a girl with the car?
S says to D (should be to J): He he, you make me laugh, my friend, simply laugh.
D says to J: You know very well, youíre always trying to come between us.
J says to D: Then youíre going to start talking shit about the choller (drug addict).
J says to D: My friend, it was me that helped you with that shit / the matter of the choller.
D says to J: I said that too.
J says to D: I didnít read that, I also read the declaration.
S says to J: The thing about the choller was from me.
D or S says to J: Thatís what I just said.
D or S says to J: I also said that in my first declaration. I did that for myself.
S says to J: I said that in my interest.
J answers back: Thatís what police are telling me now.
J says to S or D: Police told me about you now, if you go against me then thatís when I will go against you.
Brothers laugh: Heheheheheh
S says to J: We didnít put you in this problem.
S says to J: We simply told the truth.
J says to the brothers: You didnít do that.
J says to the brothers: Half of what you said isnít the f***ing truth.
J says to the brothers: Thatís going to show in time.
J says to the brothers: Same as they control me, they control you too.
S says to J: About us, about us. They can find proof, but not about you.
S says to J: With lies there is no proof.
J says to the brothers: Everything is shit from Karen, you donít know shit.
J says to the brothers: f*** you.
D says to J: You think the girl doesnít have anything on, youíre going to see who, who f***/coy (the last part could not be heard well).
J says to D: We will see.
J says to D: You know when Iím going to laugh; when I give you a wanta [punch?] in the face.
J says to D: And Iíll laugh if they find the girl alive, f*** you.
J says to the brothers: I know very well that youíre scared.
J says to the brothers: If you did something bad to the girl, then we will see.
S says to J: Iím not scared.
S says to J: What do I have to be scared about?
D says to J: I want them to find the girl.
D says to J: Youíre going to say shit about me in regards to the girl, that I buried the girl at the Fishermanís Hut.
J says to D: Who said anything about a burial, I didnít say anything about a burial.
D says to J: You declared that.
D says to J: Stop with the bullshit.
J says to D: I didnít say anything about a burial.
J says to D: The only thing I can think of is that you know people, who are people of Automotive Enterprises.
S says to J (apparently in a sarcastic tone): Hahahaha, after Iíll get a flat tire he.
S says to J: Hahahaha, after went to get you and after I went back to the beach for the girl.
J says to S: Who said that.
S says to J: Thatís what you said.
J says to S: My friend, I didnít say that.
J says to S: My friend, I never said that you went back (apparently referring to the beach).
J says to the brothers: Thatís your problem.
J says to the brothers: If they find the girl, then they will see the shit.
D says to J: 8 more days and Iím going home, I guarantee you this 1000 per cent.
J says to D: We will see.
D says to J: You donít give a shit about your family members.
J says to D: The only thing I can think about is my family, I am doing what my family told me to do.
J says to the brothers: He, +++++.
D says to J: Youíre like your father, incredible.
J says to D: What about my father, itís your fault he was detained. I didnít declare anything against my father, it was you who spoke against my father.
S says to J: I didnít declare anything.
J says to the brothers: Of course you did.
S says to J: What did I say / against your father?
J says to the brothers: You said that he (Joranís father) said that if thereís no corpse thereís no case, or I donít know what more sorts of shit.
J says to the brothers: Thatís not true, the only thing he (Joranís father) said that if thereís no body there donít have a case.
D says to J: Thatís true.
J says to D: Nothing of that is true.
D says to J: I also said in my declaration that he wasnít kiermen [?] like that.
J says to D: 20 (whatís is 20? Should be the word Ďeseyí) I didnít read that in your declaration.
J says to the brothers: Thatís what theyíre using against my father.
D says to J: We have suffered a lot because of you.
J says to the brothers: Thatís the price that youíve let my father pay. That youíre suffering so: f*** you. If you let me suffer, I say OK. I donít have cunes [?] I can sit calmly 160 days here, for me it doesnít make a difference. Iím ok here.
Brothers say to J: Me too, me too.
J says to S: And you Satish, they told me that you son of a bitchÖsee spirits in your cell.
J says to S: They told me that you see the girl in your cell and you get very scared.
S says to J: I saw a spirits? Two other guys saw spirits.
S says to J: You also believe people who are in this prison.
S says to J: What you say has nothing to do with spirits and is cheap shit.
J says to S: They speak well of me, but not of you.
J says to the brothers: And also the two guards (the two security guards who were detained the first time?_ guaranteed me that they will kill you when you get out of prison.
D says to J: Oh, yeah?
J says to the brothers: Who made the declaration about the guards; it was you and not me. Why? Because I didnít want to bring anyone into the problem who has nothing to do with this case.
D or S yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: It was you who admitted that.
D or S again yells to J: The lie was for you.
J says to the brothers: You paid (with money) him (referring to a male person) however.
Brothers laugh: Hahahahaha.
J says to the brothers: You called by telephone saying that ĎIí (the ĎIí here is referring to one of the Kalpoe brothers) hit the jackpot. You said by telephone: ďI hit the f***ing jackpot.Ē You forgot that the telephone was tapped.
S or D says to J: Shut your face.
J says to the brothers: You forgot that, +++++!
J says to the brothers: And when you got home and said that you fixed everything. You told me ďI fixed ití.
J says to D: Good for you. Because of you Iím also in prison.
D says to J: Ayiaaaiaaai.
J says to the brothers: Juffle [?] man, what can you do?
D says to J: What can you do?
J says to the brothers: Make me shut my face, no.
Brothers say to J: f*** you, weíre not talking to you anymore.
D says to J: Talk until you get tired.
S says to D: You have clothes
D says to J: What are you going to do with that. Iím getting out of here in 5 days.
J says to O (apparently D): Thatís what you think.
D says to J: Shut your face.
D says to J again: Shut your face, you bitch.
J says to D: What can you do.
J (should be D) says to J: f*** your father.
J says to D: If my father doesnít get out tomorrow, then youíll see.
J says to D: My friend, shut your face before I hit it shut.
D says to J: Do it if you can. Youíre already in prison.
J says to D: It doesnít make a difference, they can put me in the f***ing Cachot [?] I donít have cunes [?]
D says to J: Theyíre going to give you 15 years if they find the girl.
J says to D: Why? Why?
D says to J: That scholarship of yours. Gooooooodbye, you can forget about it.
J says to D: Yes, because of who, because of you, +++++.
J says to D: You know very well that you did something bad, otherwise you wouldnít lie.
Brothers say: Aaiaiaiaiaiaiai.
J says to the brothers : I should kill you, +++++.
J says to the brothers: Shut your cancer face.
D says to J: Wonít it be nice if tomorrow youíre standing in front of the RC (judge).
D says to J: How not? Too much proof.
J says to D: Then they can hit me too.
J says to D: You think that to me that makes a difference? One strike will be enough.
S says to J: You think, you think.
J says to S: You think that you can go home to get your gun.
S says to J: That I have a gun?
J says to S: Satish, you go get a gun from home, I shoot you dead [?]
S says to J: Look, police went to my house, they searched the house and they found a gun?
S says to J: What did they find?
D says to J: Itís been hours youíre talking bullshit.
J says to D: How is this shit not true, witnesses saw you.
S says to J: In the end, weíll see who gets out and who stays.
S says to J: You tell the truth, we will see.
J says to the brothers: I know that Iím getting out.
Brothers say: We will see hahahahaha.
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2006, 12:22:31 PM »

Editorial: Nataleeís case and the Aruban people
DIARIO Aruba
4/21/2006

I have said on many occasions that in Aruba, the people many times are not taken duly into account by their authorities and things that affect them directly - their well-being, the solidity of their economy, their good name as a hospitable people - have all been pushed into a corner and buried in such a manner that itís not able to be discovered. This is not done for their defense, but to abide by rules that are good for nothing because they maintain the ignorance as to whatís going on.

At DIARIO, many years back, we took the decision not to hide anything from the people, not keep them in a box to then throw them in a well of forgetfulness. All we find out, we pass it on directly to the people, so that they are aware of everything thatís going on in their island. Nataleeís case is no exception, but a confirmation that we are not going to keep anything secret and whatever falls into our hands, we pass it on in turn to the people, so that they too have the latest news, so that they can judge what has happened in the case.

Yesterday, we published the transcript of a conversation that police recorded in a police car that was bringing the three suspects (Joran, Deepak and Satish) from KIA to the Court Building, in Dutch and in Papiamento. The document is very revealing of three suspectsí character, their way of speaking, their way of formulating sentences and their violence.

From the transcript, we know from Joranís mouth that his father is the one who arranged for lawyers for the Kalpoes; from Deepak we heard that he warned Joran that if they find the girlís body or any of her remains, Joran is going to be locked up 15 years; from Joran we heard that he threatened that if the Kalpoe brothers spoke with the police, he would tell the latter that Satish hit a girl with a car; all in all, accusations and counter-accusations, but all based on a categorical knowledge that all three had of what happened with Natalee. Of this, there is no doubt. This came out clearly in the audio-tape recording transcript.

Joranís attorney is flapping his gums in the U.S. as if he were a great messiah who knows all; one of his colleagues accused me of leaking the document, despite the fact that it was the day before yesterday that we found it in our mailbox, after all American channels already had it and were even passing it on the air piece by piece; Tacopina paints Joran as an angel with wings of purity; that heís a good student; that he has a scholarship; finally, all that heís missing to fly up to heaven are wings of snow. However, evidence compiled by DIARIO paints Joran in a completely different light; a violent youth; abusive with younger kids at his school (and in his home!); an out of control youth who inappropriately involves himself with othersí money; a youth with no manners in his manner of speaking; a criminal instinct that he exhibited in the transcripts when in moments of rage he wanted to break faces and even went as far as threatening to kill the Kalpoe brothers; in the end, a completely different portrait than that Tacopina speaks of.

That I revealed Geoffreyís name? Yes, because this is nothing rare. At no time did I accuse the kid of committing any infraction against the law; what our reporters did was to look for his identity for us to know who we are talking about. Many people asked me of my opinion of him, if he could be involved in the case. My answer was negative, because I do not believe that he is directly involved in Nataleeís disappearance. What I do believe is that he could have told police or the prosecutor that he saw such and such a thing, or heard such and such a thing, or has a video taken on the days of Natalee's disappearance which could have revealing images on it. This I could believe could be possible, but not that he is a participant in the disappearance itself. I could be completely mistaken, but this is what I think.

I am not taking my eyes off the three suspects, Joran, Deepak and Satish, because they demonstrated in the recording that they are completely aware of what happened to the girl.

Furthermore, one accused the other (between Joran and the Kalpoe brothers) of a 15 year penalty (Deepak against Joran) if the girl is found, and hitting a girl with a car (Joran against Satish).

Our duty as a media outlet is to stay on top of all the developments surrounding the case and to pass on any information that we find to the people, because in our criteria, they have a right to all information of what happened on their island. That the police or the prosecutor do not want to give out any information, that is their right, but this does not count to DIARIO!
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 03:14:47 PM »

The Kalpoes DO NOT KNOW as much as y'all think.    Joran, to play innocent and to intimidate points out that there was an opportunity for the Kalpoes to kill Natalie.    The Kalpoes KNOW they didnt.    Joran states:  "That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit."  (IMO date rape drugs they all know about)

Kalpoe statemet "your own father, unbelievable" indicates to me that the Kalpoes "know" with a high degree of probability that Natalie is dead, and they "know" with a high degree of probability that date-rape drugs are involved.   
What they are shocked to consider is the possibility that Paulus might be involved with the rape or that Joran would involve his father in the cover-up.   Kalpoes were just reading the papers like everyone else

The Kalpoes are in deep up to their eyballs, not because of the Holloway case, but because of previous baggage.   IMO they might have just once participated in a group rape of an unconcious drugged girl, (touched the girl with the car) and joran is holding that over them.  Joran knows he is beign recorded so he doesnt say "rape", just "touched".   He wants to hold it over the Kalpoes, and they know what he is talking about.   

Joran is scared, not because his father was arrested, but because if the kalpoes could get Paulus arrested by a simple innuendo, then Freddy could be arrested by any innuendos spoken by the Kalpoes.    Joran:  "So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?"

Freddy helped!
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2008, 11:35:07 AM »

Does anyone know who the girl with the car is??  It does seem she was "touched" (raped) by one of the Kalpoes.  Her version of events concerning her experience would be interesting to read.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2008, 02:10:03 AM »

Kippy,... In the context of the conversation it seems that maybe Joran is threatening to frame Deepak if police find NH's body by claiming that Deepak ran over Natalie with the car, either by accident or on purpose.   One way or other Joran is threatening Deepak.
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