Lively Case Discussion #590 3/16 - 3/19/2007

[Tibrogargan]

I agree Sharon, the early statements that were made or inadvertently blurted out before they all tried to get their stories straight were closer to the truth than anything we have heard since.

We need to go back to those and look at them, trying to forget all the misinformation that has been scattered everywhere in order to mislead everyone.

The coverup was patchy at first but soon gathered momentum and was in full swing by the time Joran was released from prison.  Anita saw to that.  

[robots]

smoke, MIRRORS

slight of hand..DIRTY HAND  

[crazybabyborg]

Cat: are you still here?

Don't eat the Easter decor! It's E-A-S-T-E-R, not E-A-T-E-R!  

[Patti]

My 2 pennies on

JORAN'S BIG STINKY GUN BOATS



1. A ruse to sucker a Kalpoe into going
    back to be the last one at the scene.

2. Diggin tools &  grave markers in the sand.

3. Also, no shoes... no unique shoe imprint. Just an untrackable
    foot print in the sand. You can distort your feet anyway you
   wanna, to leave whatever distorted footprints you so desire
   to leave behind.

Maybe all of the above.

The very first time we heard about the 'sneaker' it was reported that a 'single' sneaker was found in Joran's closet. With blood on it. And the blood was not Joran's. And they were looking for the 'mate' to the size 14 single sneaker found in Joran's closet.

I don't know how the whole story morphed into 2 sneakers. Or the size confusion. I know we've been through this so many times, klaas

All part of the orchestrated misinformation campaign.

So -- WHO started the lies and 'bloomers'? Or WHICH is the lie or bloomer? Is ANY of it true? Is there even a missing sneaker?

I still believe the single sneaker with blood story. So many of the very early comments we heard turned out to be true. Until the coverup and lies began.

To the gulty and those that help and support them -- like grains of sand in the hourglass of time, your grains of sand are almost gone. Your time is almost up. Justice for Natalee Holloway will prevail.

What is a "bloomer"?

I don't want to be responsible for spreading rumors or lies, that's why I
ask... is this true or is it just more lies out of Aruba?

I've never heard the story that you just mentioned about the single
sneeker being found in Joran's closet.  Is there a news article or anything
to support this story?  

Maybe the witness only took one shoe?  

I tend to believe people that run to the police with stories about
witnessing a rape... and given Aruba's track record, maybe a
witness that is scoffed at and treated the way this witness has
been, with threats of deportation, should be looked at as a
possible link in getting to the truth.

I, for one, am starting out with the presumption that EVERYTHING is a lie.
I figure, that's a safe place to start.  

[Cat]

opps CBB,I was hungry,so get a new bunny.You want to sail with us.John is welcome,also.I think we know 98% of the truth,but the other 2% is the problem.i leave Tenn-Tom,at Mobile on 6/1.I will stop along the East coast to pick Monkeys.Who is good with limes,for the G&T to prevent scurvey.CAT

[San]

Morning monkeys! Given the things we do know about this case, I will take a stab at this one:  (you know I can't resist)

Evening Monkeys. Can't resist the Shango Tango....

The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.  Natalee will never be found.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception. Joran and Paulus are not the main people involved in the real crimes on Aruba.  They are just the lowly minions that have gotten caught and are causing more trouble than they are worth.

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word. This would be the person in charge of everything...Oduber, maybe??  Or Rudy Croes?

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.  You just don't understand out system.  That was the continuous complaint.  We can't do anything on Aruba about this, the Dutch are in control and we have to follow the rule of Dutch law.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.  This was written when the MEP elections were pending, so I tend to see this as the fact that Oduber (he is the one I think is the King, I think I have that right) has his hand on all the underworld and criminal element and has control of this.  He and his party were corrupt.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.If the locals do not stand up for what is right, they will forever remain ruled by some higher authority not of their own choosing.  The Dutch or Chavez.  Take your pick.

Okay, how did I do?

I am way behind.  Wanted to say good job Lala's but the only thing I disagree with is the first line "The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made". I take this to mean that you will not find Natalee unless you make noise, a racket, a fuss.  If this is true this means Natalee is findable.

[Patti]

opps CBB,I was hungry,so get a new bunny.You want to sail with us.John is welcome,also.I think we know 98% of the truth,but the other 2% is the problem.i leave Tenn-Tom,at Mobile on 6/1.I will stop along the East coast to pick Monkeys.Who is good with limes,for the G&T to prevent scurvey.CAT

So, please, tell me... what is 98% of the truth?

[klaasend]

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[carpe noctem]

hi klass,


Any input on why my last post was removed?

I just wanted to know so I don't repost the offending

information.

[klaasend]

hi klass,


Any input on why my last post was removed?

I just wanted to know so I don't repost the offending

information.

I didn't remove any posts?  Are you talking the front page or forum?

[klaasend]

hi klass,


Any input on why my last post was removed?

I just wanted to know so I don't repost the offending

information.

I didn't remove any posts?  Are you talking the front page or forum?

I did notice you started a new thread called Edwin though  

[carpe noctem]

ROFL


Somewhere deep down I knew it was my own dumba$$ fault.  


I meant to post that here in the LCD!

Thanks for showing me my error.

[klaasend]

ROFL


Somewhere deep down I knew it was my own dumba$$ fault.  


I meant to post that here in the LCD!

Thanks for showing me my error.

I'll move it over to the new thread for you.  I'm going to lock this one a little early.  Need to run to the store.

[klaasend]

GET READY

GOING TO LOCK THIS THREAD A LITTLE EARLY

[klaasend]

Please move to LCD# 591

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=963

Sorry about the early move.  Need to run out for a bit.