Caylee Marie Anthony #184 3/07/11 - 3/18/11

[Cappuccino]

ew...this bug analysis could have a real negative impact on the jury. The visuals are nauseating

Last known laying of eggs by coffin flies is estimated to have taken place on July2, 2008, according to the bugs and data pdf link

OK, that seems to indicate to me that by the natural cycle that pins the date to right about 6/16, correct?

[Scatty]

So much for trying to frame someone else for Caylee's murder.    Seems to me the defense was hoping to get one of Casey's "boys" DNA on those items....no go, not shock

They may also have been hoping for some DNA from George since it had been in the A's garage. He lucked out this time. It's possible that there may be some of Cindy's DNA on or in the bag.

[MuffyBee]

So much for trying to frame someone else for Caylee's murder.    Seems to me the defense was hoping to get one of Casey's "boys" DNA on those items....no go, not shock

BBM
o/\o ^5

High five Capp!!

[Bearlyhere]

http://www.wesh.com/casey-anthony-extended-coverage/27151991/detail.html

If Kiomarie has lost credibility for selling her story for $20,000, then so have Baez, Casey and the Anthony's, which we already know.  It's a shame that those woods were not scoured thoroughly before TS Faye moved in, which was an entire month.  There was Kiomaries's statement and just the fact that many children are found near their home when a parent is involved.  If only Kronk had been taken seriously the first time.  * sigh*  If only......so many of them. 

She may be accused of cashing in on what she knew about Casey & felt that is where Caylee might be as a result of it, but what she knew in light of what was discovered 5 months after is what jurors will not be able to dismiss.

She'll be the next suspect, especially because she wanted to adopt Caylee at one time.

 

[Samarie]

ew...this bug analysis could have a real negative impact on the jury. The visuals are nauseating

Last known laying of eggs by coffin flies is estimated to have taken place on July2, 2008, according to the bugs and data pdf link

OK, that seems to indicate to me that by the natural cycle that pins the date to right about 6/16, correct?

I have a strong background in environmental science and while I'm not familiar with this particluar species, I can make some generalizations....Most bugs (I know not a very scientific term) have relatively short life spans, some adult(think fly, not larval or pupal stages) species life span is all of one day, just enough time to lay eggs and perpetuate the next generation. If the last know laying of coffin fly eggs was July 2, and we know this species of fly feeds specifically on decompostion, then I'm likely to conclude that Caylee's remains were void of soft tissue and skeletonized by the end of July. One could easily surmise that the body had been placed approximately 2 weeks prior to the last deposit of coffin fly eggs.

[tupelohoney]

Posted by Muzikman at WS   http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130586&page=2
Just released, going thru it now to see if any redactions need to be made.

The Mark Hawkins report is verrrry interesting!

  Can't wait to read this one!

Thanks Trimm for all the links. You Rock!   

[Samarie]

ew...this bug analysis could have a real negative impact on the jury. The visuals are nauseating

Last known laying of eggs by coffin flies is estimated to have taken place on July2, 2008, according to the bugs and data pdf link

OK, that seems to indicate to me that by the natural cycle that pins the date to right about 6/16, correct?

Capp and other monkeys interested in the coffin fly evidence and the importance of environmentals factors, such as temperature...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaselia_scalaris

[Nut44x4]

ew...this bug analysis could have a real negative impact on the jury. The visuals are nauseating

Last known laying of eggs by coffin flies is estimated to have taken place on July2, 2008, according to the bugs and data pdf link

It's possible the bug analysis could have a negative impact on the jury (eww visuals), but I also think programs like CSI has spurred interest in such things and has let the general public realize how important they can play in a case.  The bugs don't lie. I hope the bugs can help get justice for Caylee.

Indeed Muffy. I've said all along that is what will nail her her coffin shut 

[tupelohoney]

New information in an NCIS document that reporter Bob Kealing will talk more about during the noon news show reveals that a "source" was used to meet with Casey while wearing a wire during the search for Caylee. Take a look at the doc here: www.wesh.com
by Matt Lupoli/Staff at 10:16 AM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161404/detail.html

I just read the part where Casey tells Mark that the worst part of Caylee being missing,    is that SHE is being looked at!!!    

[akmom]

So according to the report Mark Hawkins must be the only male in Orlando Casey didn't have a sexual relationship with....LOL

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CW was debriefed by SA Steve MACKLEY from FBI Orlando Sex Assault Task Force.  The recording was retained by the FBI.
 ::snipping2::

This is from page six of the Mark Hawkins evidence.  Why was the Orlando Sex Assault Task Force involved??  Any smart monkey know??????

[akmom]

On page nine of the emails between Lazarro and Yuri there is a picture.  It looks like a book/notebook with bricks on it.  This is not the notebook that Casey wrote in that was shown before.  I believe this may be a book that really bothered me back when the evidence from Casey's room was first shown, long ago.  There was a book entitled "Bringing Down the House".  Because it was shown in so many different evidence pictures it really stuck in my mind and I tried everywhere to find a book that looked like that but I had no luck.  This must be important......

[Cappuccino]

Wait until you read all the notes that is listed letter from Ann Pham...keep scrolling there a number of them


I dont know how J Lyons has the gall to sit in the court room all cocky, someone is a good bit of hot water!

[Samarie]

On page nine of the emails between Lazarro and Yuri there is a picture.  It looks like a book/notebook with bricks on it.  This is not the notebook that Casey wrote in that was shown before.  I believe this may be a book that really bothered me back when the evidence from Casey's room was first shown, long ago.  There was a book entitled "Bringing Down the House".  Because it was shown in so many different evidence pictures it really stuck in my mind and I tried everywhere to find a book that looked like that but I had no luck.  This must be important......

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Historical inaccuraciesThe following events described in Bringing Down the House did not occur:

Concealing funds within devices. In the book, Kevin is quoted as saying that there exist other methods of concealing funds: fake umbrellas, laptop computers, casts, and crutches to carry their cash. However, Ma had never heard of any of these techniques before reading the book, nor is it mentioned they tried those methods in the book.[1]
Underground Chinatown Casino. The underground casino used for Kevin's final test (pp. 55–59) is entirely imaginary, according to Mike Aponte and Dave Irvine.[6]
Use of Strippers to Cash Out Chips. Also according to Aponte and Irvine,[6] strippers were never recruited to cash out the team's chips, as described on pp. 149–153.
Shadowy Investors. The "shadowy investors" first referenced on p. 3 are a major source of intrigue for Mezrich's story, but did not exist, according to Aponte and Irvine.[6] The investors in the team included the players, one of Kaplan's college roommates, a few of Kaplan's Harvard Business School section mates, and Kaplan's friends and family members.
Physical Assault. The scene in which Fisher is beaten up (pp. 221–225) is imaginary. "No one was ever beaten up,"[6] according to Aponte and Irvine. Moreover, Jeff Ma claims they have never been roughed up by the casinos they played in. Still there were times when casino employees had tried to intimidate the members of the team. Now, as the mentality of the 1990s has changed, the casinos treat well the card counters even when asking not to play.[8]
Player Forced to Swallow Chip. In a scene on pp. 215–218, Micky Rosa recounts a story in which Vincent Cole—a private investigator for Plymouth Investigations—forces a member of a count team to swallow a purple casino chip while detaining the player in a back room. Sources in the Globe described the story as "implausible," and none recalled having heard it.[1]
Theft of $75,000. One MIT player, Kyle Schaffer, did lose $20,000 when it was stolen from a desk drawer.[1] Mezrich inflates the amount of the theft by 375% and turns the desk drawer into a safe pried dramatically from a wall. Moreover, the robbery scene (pp. 240–244) creates the impression that a team member or Vincent Cole was the likely culprit. Schaffer says the theft was likely unrelated to blackjack, noting that $100,000 or more in casino chips also inside the drawer was left untouched ("strongly suggesting that the thieves had no idea of their worth"[1]).
Forcible Entry to Kevin Lewis's Apartment. Kevin hurries from the scene of the robbery to his own apartment (pp. 244–245) to make sure all is well. Nothing has been stolen, but Kevin finds "a single purple casino chip sitting on his kitchen table." The implication is that the chip is a calling card left by Vincent Cole as a warning to Kevin. This scene again asks readers to accept that the chip-swallowing story is factual (or at least was actually in circulation among MIT counters as a myth).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_Down_the_House_(book)

[Cappuccino]

New information in an NCIS document that reporter Bob Kealing will talk more about during the noon news show reveals that a "source" was used to meet with Casey while wearing a wire during the search for Caylee. Take a look at the doc here: www.wesh.com
by Matt Lupoli/Staff at 10:16 AM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161404/detail.html

I just read the part where Casey tells Mark that the worst part of Caylee being missing,    is that SHE is being looked at!!!    

She fully intended to run off and have Mark put her up for a bit...no doubt in my mind.   She was on to the next person she was going to use.   This document has some rather interesting things in it.

[akmom]

On page nine of the emails between Lazarro and Yuri there is a picture.  It looks like a book/notebook with bricks on it.  This is not the notebook that Casey wrote in that was shown before.  I believe this may be a book that really bothered me back when the evidence from Casey's room was first shown, long ago.  There was a book entitled "Bringing Down the House".  Because it was shown in so many different evidence pictures it really stuck in my mind and I tried everywhere to find a book that looked like that but I had no luck.  This must be important......

 ::snipping2::
Historical inaccuraciesThe following events described in Bringing Down the House did not occur:

Concealing funds within devices. In the book, Kevin is quoted as saying that there exist other methods of concealing funds: fake umbrellas, laptop computers, casts, and crutches to carry their cash. However, Ma had never heard of any of these techniques before reading the book, nor is it mentioned they tried those methods in the book.[1]
Underground Chinatown Casino. The underground casino used for Kevin's final test (pp. 55–59) is entirely imaginary, according to Mike Aponte and Dave Irvine.[6]
Use of Strippers to Cash Out Chips. Also according to Aponte and Irvine,[6] strippers were never recruited to cash out the team's chips, as described on pp. 149–153.
Shadowy Investors. The "shadowy investors" first referenced on p. 3 are a major source of intrigue for Mezrich's story, but did not exist, according to Aponte and Irvine.[6] The investors in the team included the players, one of Kaplan's college roommates, a few of Kaplan's Harvard Business School section mates, and Kaplan's friends and family members.
Physical Assault. The scene in which Fisher is beaten up (pp. 221–225) is imaginary. "No one was ever beaten up,"[6] according to Aponte and Irvine. Moreover, Jeff Ma claims they have never been roughed up by the casinos they played in. Still there were times when casino employees had tried to intimidate the members of the team. Now, as the mentality of the 1990s has changed, the casinos treat well the card counters even when asking not to play.[8]
Player Forced to Swallow Chip. In a scene on pp. 215–218, Micky Rosa recounts a story in which Vincent Cole—a private investigator for Plymouth Investigations—forces a member of a count team to swallow a purple casino chip while detaining the player in a back room. Sources in the Globe described the story as "implausible," and none recalled having heard it.[1]
Theft of $75,000. One MIT player, Kyle Schaffer, did lose $20,000 when it was stolen from a desk drawer.[1] Mezrich inflates the amount of the theft by 375% and turns the desk drawer into a safe pried dramatically from a wall. Moreover, the robbery scene (pp. 240–244) creates the impression that a team member or Vincent Cole was the likely culprit. Schaffer says the theft was likely unrelated to blackjack, noting that $100,000 or more in casino chips also inside the drawer was left untouched ("strongly suggesting that the thieves had no idea of their worth"[1]).
Forcible Entry to Kevin Lewis's Apartment. Kevin hurries from the scene of the robbery to his own apartment (pp. 244–245) to make sure all is well. Nothing has been stolen, but Kevin finds "a single purple casino chip sitting on his kitchen table." The implication is that the chip is a calling card left by Vincent Cole as a warning to Kevin. This scene again asks readers to accept that the chip-swallowing story is factual (or at least was actually in circulation among MIT counters as a myth).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bringing_Down_the_House_(book)

I know that book was discussed at the time.  What I never could do though, was match that cover up to that book.  Has anyone else been able to?

[tupelohoney]

OSCO investigates complaints about misrepresentation of private investigators:
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161837/detail.html

OCSO interview with Julie Davis: www.wesh.com
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 10
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161880/detail.html

Reading at the top link posted by Trimm....

OMG! I don't know why I'm surprised, but for Jeremy Lyons to state he was from the States Attorney's Office....and he still sits in the courtroom??!     I'm so disgusted.....

[tupelohoney]

New information in an NCIS document that reporter Bob Kealing will talk more about during the noon news show reveals that a "source" was used to meet with Casey while wearing a wire during the search for Caylee. Take a look at the doc here: www.wesh.com
by Matt Lupoli/Staff at 10:16 AM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161404/detail.html

I just read the part where Casey tells Mark that the worst part of Caylee being missing,    is that SHE is being looked at!!!    

What do you make of her having something to tell him and Cindy and Lee already know.....it was something that happened a long time ago.  I try to find similarities in Casey's stories.  Could it have been about George abusing her?  Was she trying to set up George from the beginning? Or, as we figure, just a ploy to get out to CA. and vanish? 

She fully intended to run off and have Mark put her up for a bit...no doubt in my mind.   She was on to the next person she was going to use.   This document has some rather interesting things in it.

[tupelohoney]

New information in an NCIS document that reporter Bob Kealing will talk more about during the noon news show reveals that a "source" was used to meet with Casey while wearing a wire during the search for Caylee. Take a look at the doc here: www.wesh.com
by Matt Lupoli/Staff at 10:16 AM
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161404/detail.html

I just read the part where Casey tells Mark that the worst part of Caylee being missing,    is that SHE is being looked at!!!    

What do you make of her having something to tell him and Cindy and Lee already know.....it was something that happened a long time ago.  I try to find similarities in Casey's stories.  Could it have been about George abusing her?  Was she trying to set up George from the beginning? Or, as we figure, just a ploy to get out to CA. and vanish? 

She fully intended to run off and have Mark put her up for a bit...no doubt in my mind.   She was on to the next person she was going to use.   This document has some rather interesting things in it.

Self edit

Sorry about that!


What do you make of her having something to tell him and Cindy and Lee already know.....it was something that happened a long time ago.  I try to find similarities in Casey's stories.  Could it have been about George abusing her?  Was she trying to set up George from the beginning? Or, as we figure, just a ploy to get out to CA. and vanish? 

[Cappuccino]

ew...this bug analysis could have a real negative impact on the jury. The visuals are nauseating

Last known laying of eggs by coffin flies is estimated to have taken place on July2, 2008, according to the bugs and data pdf link

OK, that seems to indicate to me that by the natural cycle that pins the date to right about 6/16, correct?

I have a strong background in environmental science and while I'm not familiar with this particluar species, I can make some generalizations....Most bugs (I know not a very scientific term) have relatively short life spans, some adult(think fly, not larval or pupal stages) species life span is all of one day, just enough time to lay eggs and perpetuate the next generation. If the last know laying of coffin fly eggs was July 2, and we know this species of fly feeds specifically on decompostion, then I'm likely to conclude that Caylee's remains were void of soft tissue and skeletonized by the end of July. One could easily surmise that the body had been placed approximately 2 weeks prior to the last deposit of coffin fly eggs.

Well then that is spot on - 2 weeks prior to the last deposit of coffin fly eggs would have indeed been mid June precisely.

[Cappuccino]

OSCO investigates complaints about misrepresentation of private investigators:
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161837/detail.html

OCSO interview with Julie Davis: www.wesh.com
by Gabe Travers/WESH.com at 10
http://www.wesh.com/pdf/27161880/detail.html

Reading at the top link posted by Trimm....

OMG! I don't know why I'm surprised, but for Jeremy Lyons to state he was from the States Attorney's Office....and he still sits in the courtroom??!     I'm so disgusted.....

^5  look above on this page