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« Reply #340 on: May 04, 2011, 11:37:04 PM »

Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.

Hi Sleuth - great to see you!

If this is the same TTownMike looks like he is OK

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« Reply #341 on: May 05, 2011, 12:42:43 AM »

Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.

Good to see you Sleuth    I hope TTownMike's okay too. 
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #342 on: May 05, 2011, 02:42:49 AM »


Justice for Natalee,



and Stephany!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #343 on: May 05, 2011, 12:09:58 PM »

http://www.scienceguide.nl/201105/rector-en-professor-wagenaar-overleden.aspx

Google translation

Rector and Professor Wagenaar deceased

May 4, 2011 - Prof. Dr Willem Albert Wagenaar, the former rector of Leiden University last week at the age of 69 deceased. As a professor of psychology, he became best known for his appearances as an expert witness in the case include Demjanjuk and the Holloway case. Around the latter case, he gave a remarkable interview guide to science.

About Joran van der Sloot confession did back in the undercover car to Patrick van der Eem said Wager Guide to Science: "The statement of the boy he was elicited without the existence of such cautie. So does not. The circumstances under which he has heard, are a subject that a court must have clarity. "

Wagenaar found that aspects such as being under the influence of drugs definitely a role to play in the consideration of a judge. "You would not want that in a case against everything you just said could be used simply to condemn you?"

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« Reply #344 on: May 05, 2011, 03:19:50 PM »

Thanks to everyone for your care and concern and prayers.

For once, I am pretty much speechless. 

  
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« Reply #345 on: May 05, 2011, 07:26:52 PM »

Glad to see that Anna and Magnolia are safe.  Hopefully the others from that area are as well.  Made me think of TTownMike.

Hi Sleuth - great to see you!

If this is the same TTownMike looks like he is OK

http://ttownmike.wordpress.com/author/ttownmike/

Wow! TTownMike! That's a blast from the past, for sure! I do hope he's alright! Sleuth! Great to see you!
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« Reply #346 on: May 06, 2011, 12:54:14 AM »



Justice for Natalee! 

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #347 on: May 06, 2011, 01:13:38 AM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #348 on: May 06, 2011, 01:35:18 AM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
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Nothing filed at the court on this. 
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« Reply #349 on: May 06, 2011, 09:33:58 AM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
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Once again................... I'm disappointed, but not totally surprised. The judge has not weighed any evidence --- only the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoes to sue. If there is a sliver of a chance that they may have a case -- the judge will let them proceed. The only good news is that this will cost Aruba even MORE money!
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« Reply #350 on: May 06, 2011, 09:54:58 AM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::


             

Going to trial is a good, good thing here, folks.  Let's get the brothers on the stand in the U.S., shall we?  Anybody think they won't at the very least perjure themselves?  Oh yes...and what exactly are they claiming as damages?  (Puh-lease.) 

Maybe Clyde Burke will show up to testify for them, since he obviously still hasn't found the courage in himself to come forward with what he knows. 

Raise your hand if you think Deepak is even capable of telling the truth.  Ha!  ::justice2NJ::


Tick-Tock Deepak

Peace & Monkey Love to all - and to Mags & Anna - so glad to hear you made it through the storms!
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« Reply #351 on: May 06, 2011, 11:22:08 AM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::

Once again................... I'm disappointed, but not totally surprised. The judge has not weighed any evidence --- only the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoes to sue. If there is a sliver of a chance that they may have a case -- the judge will let them proceed. The only good news is that this will cost Aruba even MORE money!

Wreck

Is this the Summary Judgement?  The implication is that the judge has determined that  Kalpoes have a foundation in regards to their "defamation" lawsuit.  Do I have that right?

Janet

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Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
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Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges.

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But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.


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http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645
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« Reply #352 on: May 06, 2011, 11:32:51 AM »

I am uneasy about how everything is playing out.

Other than the Kay Skeeters' portion of the defamation lawsuit ... the court has ruled against every motion that Phil McGraw's attorneys have filed.

Over a four year period the lawsuit has not been thrown out despite the inability or refusal of the plaintiffs to comply with court requests/deadlines.  Why?

Kay Skeeters?  The court may have determined that there was insufficient evidence to implicate her husband in any wrongdoing encompassing the recording but ... in the end Kay/McGraw was left holding the bag in regards to $127,000 in legal costs.  Why?

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« Reply #353 on: May 06, 2011, 01:07:49 PM »

Phil McGraw's Attorney - Charles Babcock

Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


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Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

The Aruba Tourism Authority told AOL News that it is "not involved financially or otherwise in this lawsuit."

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http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/
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« Reply #354 on: May 06, 2011, 01:26:07 PM »

HOW COULD I REACH MORE TRAVELLERS?

The Beth Holloway Interview
by Rachel Cohen


What prompted you to write the book “Loving Natalee: A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith”?

The writing of the book actually evolved over a period of time. Shortly after this happened to Natalee, I made a pledge that I would share her story with every high school I could, because I hoped that no other family would have to endure the challenges that we faced during our first few weeks in Aruba. I lived in Aruba for about four months while I was searching for her, and during the fifth month, I thought it was time for me to make good on my pledge as Natalee’s case was now in the hands of John Kelly, attorney at law. I began traveling and, over the course of two years, presented personal safety messages to over 20,000 high school and college students in 22 states. During this time I thought, “How could I reach more travelers?” and I started thinking about writing a book.

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http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/the-beth-holloway-interview

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LOVING NATALEE
A MOTHER'S TESTAMENT OF HOPE AND FAITH
By Beth Holloway

ISBN: 9780061452277
ISBN10: 0061452270
Imprint: HarperOne
On Sale: 10/2/2007

Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
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« Reply #355 on: May 06, 2011, 01:32:26 PM »

Natalee Holloway: 'Justice For Natalee' to Air on Lifetime Movie Channel Premieres Monday, May 9 at 8 pm et/pt

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/05/01/natalee-holloway-justice-for-natalee-to-air-on-lifetime-movie-channel-premieres-monday-may-9-at-8-pm-etpt/

Efforts by Beth Holloway continue to get “JUSTICE FOR NATALEE” …

Just when Aruba thought it was safe to go back in the water … the story of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba and the continued lawless and indicted murderous ways of Joran Van der Sloot is brought to light. You go Beth, do not let anyone forget the travesty of justice that was perpetrated on a family of an Aruba tourist that became a victim and was brushed under the rug of Aruban incompetence, cronyism and corruption.



Exerpts

Beth Holloway – September, 2010

‘If he thinks I’ve been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn’t seen anything yet.’

‘There is more to come … there is more to come.’


http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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« Reply #356 on: May 06, 2011, 02:11:07 PM »

Natalee Holloway Family Photos

Get an exclusive peek into the lives of the Holloway family before Natalee’s disappearance. Look at family pictures provided by Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway.

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-family-photos#id=1


Natalee Holloway: Photos of the True Story

The Lifetime Movie Network Original movie “Natalee Holloway” told the story of Natalee's mom's enduring love for her daughter at each step of the investigation. The sequel, "Justice for Natalee Holloway," continues the saga of Beth Holloway's search for answers about her daughter's disappearance. For more on the real Natalee Holloway case, view the true story album.

http://www.mylifetime.com/movies/natalee-holloway/natalee-holloway-photos-of-the-true-story#id=1
 

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« Reply #357 on: May 06, 2011, 03:02:34 PM »

I'M TAKING LEAVE OF THE ISLAND BUT ...

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    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.
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« Reply #358 on: May 06, 2011, 04:01:01 PM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2011/may/05/judge-oks-trial-against-dr-phil-in-holloway-suit/

Judge Oks trial against Dr. Phil in Holloway suit

BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

THURSDAY, MAY 5, 2011 AT 8:35 P.M.

LOS ANGELES — Two brothers who were among the last people to see Natalee Holloway before her disappearance in Aruba can move forward with their defamation lawsuit against talk show host Phil McGraw.

City News Service reports Thursday that a Los Angeles Superior Court judge ruled that brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe can take their lawsuit to trial and set a trial date for Oct. 12.
 ::snipping2::

Once again................... I'm disappointed, but not totally surprised. The judge has not weighed any evidence --- only the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoes to sue. If there is a sliver of a chance that they may have a case -- the judge will let them proceed. The only good news is that this will cost Aruba even MORE money!

Wreck

Is this the Summary Judgement?  The implication is that the judge has determined that  Kalpoes have a foundation in regards to their "defamation" lawsuit.  Do I have that right?

Janet

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Surinamese brothers sue Dr. Phil for defamation
Daily News Wire
Article Last Updated: 06/13/2008 08:52:49 AM PDT


LOS ANGELES - Two brothers who filed an $800 million defamation suit against Dr. Phil McGraw and CBS over a broadcast concerning the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are already too tarnished to claim libel, according to attorneys for the defendants.

<snipped>

The "Dr. Phil" segment included statements by Deepak Kalpoe that were "significantly manipulated and altered," the suit alleges.

<snipped>

But in court papers filed Wednesday, attorneys for CBS, McGraw and Kay Skeeters -- widow of Jeremy Skeeters, a private investigator hired by McGraw to interview Deepak Kalpoe -- maintain the brothers are "libel-proof."

They say the brothers' reputations were irreparably stained by prior published accounts of the Holloway case, meaning they cannot claim to have been damaged by the "Dr. Phil" broadcast.


<snipped>

http://origin.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9575645

The judge did not make a "Summary Judgement" -- he merely continued the case to trial. A "Summary Judgement" means he has decided for one side or the other -- he has not done so.
No, the judge has not made any determination of the Kalpoe's case "foundation" -- NO evidence has been considered yet (and won't before the trial). Like I have been trying to explain again and again -- the judge is only ruling on the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoe's to bring suit (i.e. are they actual "public figures" or not, etc.). In most cases a judge is going to be hard pressed to throw a case out before a trial with a "Summary Judgement" when a the Plaintiff is so adamantly saying they have a case (whether the judge thinks they do or not). If they don't prevail, they are stuck for damages.
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« Reply #359 on: May 06, 2011, 04:08:01 PM »

The judge did not make a "Summary Judgement" -- he merely continued the case to trial. A "Summary Judgement" means he has decided for one side or the other -- he has not done so.
No, the judge has not made any determination of the Kalpoe's case "foundation" -- NO evidence has been considered yet (and won't before the trial). Like I have been trying to explain again and again -- the judge is only ruling on the "eligibilty" of the Kalpoe's to bring suit (i.e. are they actual "public figures" or not, etc.). In most cases a judge is going to be hard pressed to throw a case out before a trial with a "Summary Judgement" when a the Plaintiff is so adamantly saying they have a case (whether the judge thinks they do or not). If they don't prevail, they are stuck for damages.

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This is what I am talking about.  Considering the case is going to trial ... can it be assumed that the Kalpoe's "eligibility" to "bring suit" has been established.  Otherwise ... would the lawsuit not have been thrown out in the Summary Judgement hearing?

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