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Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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May 26, 2005
I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 14-15: On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.
While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.
In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.
"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.
She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.
The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again.
I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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May 30, 2005
THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL
Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway
Page 23: Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her. I take the backseat. We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon. Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures. Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these. Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi. Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.
It's a young girl. "Mrs. Twitty? My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you." It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent. She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba. They are in Birmingham. It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.
"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.
She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."
And instantly I know. It's more than a mother's intuition. It's certainty. Something terrible has happened.
I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive. The one we fear from the moment our children are born. The one that changes a parent's life forever
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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Six years ago today...
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20147942,00.html
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Natalee's Candles
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s
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Joran and his attorney admit it, but she still won't.
Drunk again....so transparent.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: MuffyBee on May 29, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Natalee's Candles
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: texasmom on May 29, 2011, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: MuffyBee on May 29, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Natalee's Candles
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s
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http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/van-der-Sloot-broke-and-desperate-when-he-met/iRvIZFLM0ESRECHhQp3ERA.cspx
Van der Sloot broke and desperate when he met Flores
Story Published: 1:16 pm Updated: 1:27 pm
Birmingham, Ala (WIAT) Joran Van der Sloot was broke and desperate hours in a hotel room he couldn’t pay for. His luck had run out at a nearby casino. And then he met a young woman who had just cashed in.
Van der Sloot spent almost an hour on the phone with a Dutch friend on May 28, 2010….two days before he met and killed Stephany Flores.
Van der Sloot told his friend he was broke and couldn’t pay his hotel tab at Lima’s TAC hotel where he had been for five days playing in a poker tournament. The call to
Stan Pluijmen
was later listened to by Dutch police.
During the forty four minutes the two talked about business plans that apparently involved $25,000 van der Sloot got from the Holloway family in exchange for information about Natalee’s fate. It had been just days shy of five years since Natalee disappeared on a graduation trip to Aruba. The Mountain Brook teen was last seen leaving an Oranjestad bar with van der Sloot.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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http://elcomercio.pe/lima/764530/noticia-caso-van-der-sloot-antes-despues-crimen-stephany-flores
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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6 YEARS TODAY
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Quote from: MuffyBee on May 29, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
Natalee's Candles
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s
Thanks Muffy!
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Quote from: klaasend on May 29, 2011, 04:00:52 PM
6 YEARS TODAY
So sad. Nat's family is still waiting.
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texasmom -
and thank you for your devotion and research.
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Quote from: can on May 29, 2011, 04:11:48 PM
texasmom -
and thank you for your devotion and research.
Hi can!
You're welcome!
Justice for Natalee!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2527484/joran-doodde-peruaanse-mogelijk-geld.html
Joran killed Peruvian possible to make money
Published: May 29, 2011 9:09 p.m.
Last updated: May 29, 2011 9:09 p.m.
AMSTERDAM - Joran van der Sloot, the Peruvian Stephany Flores possibly killed because she refused to give him money. Joran was broke and had no money to pay his hotel room and could barely buy a meal.
That's in a conversation he had with a friend, shows a representation of the session that is held by a correspondent for Reuters News.
"If they throw me out of the hotel again, I might do crazy things," said Van der Sloot last year at a poker friend Limburg, two days before the death of Flores.
Van der Sloot said that if necessary he would "prostitute" if anyone would help him with his money problems. He complains in the chat that his family refuses to give him money.
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Monday is exactly one year ago that the 21-year-old Peruvian was killed. It is expected that the trial against Van der Sloot will start within two months.
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I just read about Grave Wax (Adipocere) over in the Caylee Anthony case. It says
that the process of forming Grave Wax can last for many years in the right enviorment.
I wonder if it could be found in the trap/cage since it was determined by Aruba
that there was a body there.
I remember Kyle saying something about the impression where the organs would
have been and the impression left on the cage floor.
I do not know if Salt Water would have a different effect on the substance.
The transformation of fats into adipocere(Grave Wax) occurs best in the absence of oxygen in a cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[3] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.
Corpses of women, infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation because they contain more body fat.[1] In forensic science, the utility of adipocere formation to estimate the postmortem interval is limited because the speed of the process is temperature-dependent. It is accelerated by warmth, but temperature extremes impede it.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere
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Quote from: Magnolia on May 29, 2011, 05:00:05 PM
I just read about Grave Wax (Adipocere) over in the Caylee Anthony case. It says
that the process of forming Grave Wax can last for many years in the right enviorment.
I wonder if it could be found in the trap/cage since it was determined by Aruba
that there was a body there.
I remember Kyle saying something about the impression where the organs would
have been and the impression left on the cage floor.
I do not know if Salt Water would have a different effect on the substance.
The transformation of fats into adipocere(Grave Wax) occurs best in the absence of oxygen in a cold and humid environment, such as in wet ground or mud at the bottom of a lake or a sealed casket, and it can occur with both embalmed and untreated bodies. Adipocere formation begins within a month of death, and in the absence of air it can persist for centuries.[3] An exposed, infested body or a body in a warm environment is unlikely to form deposits of adipocere.
Corpses of women, infants and overweight persons are particularly prone to adipocere transformation because they contain more body fat.[1] In forensic science, the utility of adipocere formation to estimate the postmortem interval is limited because the speed of the process is temperature-dependent. It is accelerated by warmth, but temperature extremes impede it.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipocere
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1556-4029.2006.00362.x/abstract
Waxing Grave About Adipocere: Soft Tissue Change in an Aquatic Context†
Tyler G. O'Brien Ph.D., Amy C. Kuehner B.A.
Article first published online: 31 JAN 2007
ABSTRACT: When postmortem environmental conditions are “just right,” according to the “Goldilocks Phenomenon,” soft tissues (and associated fatty acids) are converted into and preserved as adipocere. To better understand this conversion process and the development of adipocere three human cadavers were immersed in outside, water-filled pits for over 3 months to observe adipocere formation in an underwater context simulating actual field conditions. Recordings of environmental conditions showed that temperatures were between 21°C and 45°C, a range sufficient for the growth of Clostridium perfringens. Chemical analysis of liquid and tissue samples revealed an increase in palmitic acid and decrease in oleic acid. This study tracked the remarkable gross morphological changes that can occur in human bodies subjected to an aquatic postmortem environment. The results support the “Goldilocks Phenomenon” and substantiate previous findings that the presence of bacteria and water is crucial for adipocere to form.
http://writersforensicsblog.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/dead-folks-and-decay/
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The third method of alteration is by adipocere formation, which is the result of a chemical process called saponification. Basically soap making. Adipocere is caused by a reaction between certain bacteria and the body’s adipose (fatty) tissues. Bacteria such as Clostridia perfringens, the bacterium that causes gas gangrene, convert body fat into oleic, stearic, and palmitic acids, the primary constitutes of adipocere. The result is a whitish-gray or brownish, greasy or waxy substance, which can cast the body in a doll-like fashion. On first glance the corpse might appear to be a manikin or as if it had been carved from a large bar of soap.
This most often occurs in bodies found in water or warm, damp areas and usually takes several months to form so that adipocere formation is a broad indicator of time of death.
Bodies do not always decompose uniformly or in the same way. A corpse might be partially skeletonized, partially mummified, and partially converted to adipocere. Adipocere looks like this:
(picture at link)
This photo is of two child victims in the famous Hoptoun Quarry Murders Case investigated by Sir Sydney Alfred Smith. Read the full story HERE.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
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===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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