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« Reply #940 on: June 11, 2011, 08:21:37 PM »

A MEASURE OF JUSTICE

A Midnight Express Prison

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


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BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454527,00.html


Where He Belongs

Medical mystery tour brings Holloway to Okoboji
Saturday, June 11, 2011


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Beth Holloway provides travel and safety education to medical professionals gathered Friday for the 7th Annual Lakes Health Conference in Okoboji. Her daughter, Natalee, disappeared in Aruba 6 years ago during a graduation trip.

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Natalee has never been found, but theories about Van der Sloot's role in her disappearance gained traction after he was arrested for the May 2010 murder of Stephany Flores, a Peruvian woman he met. He also faces federal extortion and wire fraud charges in the United States for trying to extort money from Beth Holloway in exchange for information that would lead to the recovery of Natalee's body.

"For me, I have a perpetrator in prison, so I can't ask for anything more right now," Beth Holloway said. "That's where he belongs and now I'm able to focus and move onward in the help that I can do for others who have missing loved ones -- maybe they don't have recovery of their loved one's remains or they don't have a perpetrator in prison, so my hope is to shed enough light and to help them."
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http://www.spencerdailyreporter.com/story/1735599.html


A Midnight Express Prison

Natalee Holloway's Mom: Aruba Investigators 'Not Following Up on Any Leads'
Wednesday, November 19, 2008


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BETH HOLLOWAY: And Greta, I was just wanting to say that, you know, like I said, it's been a long time, but it's never too late for justice. And I'd be good with a "Midnight Express" prison anywhere for Joran.

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« Reply #941 on: June 11, 2011, 11:08:29 PM »

TM - your post from December 12 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/25254-un-taxista-carga-cu-droga-den-su-boto-a-keda-deteni-.html

Papiamentu translation:

one taxista carga cu drugs in his boat owing to stay deteni

thursday, 09 december 2010 22:34

one golpi much strong the departamento across from drugs of cuerpo policial conoci because; seccion crimen organiza owing to strike low world. is talk of algo less cu 100 kilo of cocaina clean. the sospechoso principal in the caso here is robert geerman of tx-35 that owing to being grab cu more cu 50 kilo in his boat end chasers. ultimo time seems cu roberto was work some cu his taxi y was constant on lama. seems cu his trabao of piscamento owing to become buscamento y pasamento of drugs. the have one super good amistad cu esnan of kustwacht. they self never owing to live think cu they good amigo today is meti hoof claw in drugs. till even esnan of kustwacht is haci usage of the boat of robert geerman for leave pisca on lama. robert geerman self never owing to believe cu the will wordo grab but his number owing to play good play. for some time end they're behind the movecion of roberto. seccion crimen organisa was keep the instant oportuno for place hand on dje. owing to lage leave y diahuebs morning hour cu the was on lama biniendo ground owing to go pe. of marduga past owing to leave go pisca supuestamente. finalmente past owing to achieve the boat of kustwacht on dje y bingo owing to achieve the cantidad of more cu 50 kilo of cocaina on the boat. after of his detencion owing to go over also at follow cu listramento of cuater cas. provided that overall owing to haci seven detencion of cual roberto geerman y some colombiano cu venezolano. the confianza cu everybody was have in the piscador here owing to go perdi cu thing past owing to comete. this do not first trip cu the will owing to comete the acto here. at the casnan cu owing to wordo listra owing to achieve also more drugs. is talk of one cantidad of algo less cu 100 kilo. one felicitacion at seccion crimen organiza. this once more is the maneho cu alto comisario dolfi richardson y also minister of husticia is implementando for combatimento of drugs. the taxista here for colmo is pal of one member of parliament of mep cu also owing to stay all babuca cu the news here. the taxi color blanco tx-35 owing to stay confisca.


http://www.einformante.com/Policial/guarda-costa-ta-gara-robert-geeramn-cu-mas-di-50-kilo-di-cocaina-ri-e-boto-fin-chaser/

Papiamentu translation:

guarda costa is grab robert geerman cu more of 50 kilo of cocaina on the boat end chaser

oranjestad- diahuebs morning gaurda costa is intercepta the boat end chaser cu more of 50 kilo of cocaina caminda at is detene robert geerman because; sospechoso principal. robert geerman is taxista y is core taxi 35. the caso here is in pleno investagacion, all the time the drugs together cu the boat y also the taxi cu the is donjo owing to stay confisca.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82158.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Coast Guard found 66 kilos of drugs in fishing

December 10, 2010, 24:56 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Coast Guard on Thursday morning at sea 67 kilos of drugs found on board fishing Fin Chasers. During the following four raids by the Organised Crime Section, an additional one kilo of drugs found in a hotel room. Justice made six arrests, including the Aruban owner of the boat, which also is a taxi driver.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) speaks of raids in the 'broadest sense. Because the search of the boat and hotel room are also there. Besides the detained fisherman / taxi driver is also a woman (Aruba), two men from Colombia and arrested two men from Curaçao.

The arrest of the fisherman, RG, for the Coast Guard will itself be a blow. The man had good connections with the coast guard and watched as he and his boat exports forward to possible drug boats. He also lent his boat where the drugs were found, also regularly to the Coast Guard so they could leave with it. Recently, he was more at sea than riding in his taxi seen. The Organized Crime Section was G. and six others for some time in the holes and waited for the right moment to strike. That happened Thursday morning after G. That night was again set sail. The Coast Guard came on board and found the drugs. The prosecution is currently investigating whether it is cocaine. The arrested persons are now brought before the judge. Justice does not rule out that more arrests to follow.

This drug bust, the Organized Crime Section of a major battle beaten. Yet does not the OM of the biggest drug bust this year. For several years justice has been the fight against drug trafficking priority. Last year, the police have a record number of drug couriers, otherwise mostly drug smugglers. Last year, police arrested more people, 155 total, for drug offenses of which 137 were detained.


Hmmm...interesting! 

Thanks Klaas!   
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« Reply #942 on: June 11, 2011, 11:38:54 PM »

Looks like a different Geerman but also a drug deal?
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« Reply #943 on: June 12, 2011, 12:11:00 AM »

Looks like a different Geerman but also a drug deal?

Yes, in scanning the articles... the boat "Fin Chasers" was busted with 67 kilos of cocaine, and another kilo found in a hotel room on Thurday Dec 9th....Robert Geerman among others arrested.  There were four raids that day.

Friday, Dec 10th Edwin Geerman travels to NC and is busted with 10 kilos.

No idea if it was also cocaine, but the timing alone makes me wonder if they're not connected.

If I understand correctly Robert Geerman had been spending more time in his boat than in his taxi so I think he was making regular drug runs.

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« Reply #944 on: June 12, 2011, 12:56:23 AM »



Justice for Natalee,



and Stephany!

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« Reply #945 on: June 12, 2011, 11:33:05 AM »

http://www.amigoe.com/PDF%20amigoearu/11-06-2011a.pdf

Google translation:

Joran face with father Flores

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - Joran van der Sloot was last Wednesday in courtroom for the first time in front of the Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered Peruvian student Stephany. Joran had to appear in court in a pro forma session to prepare for trial which he is suspected the robbery on this student.

"It was a difficult moment," he told Flores to father The American news channel CNN know. "I thought I would see a lean man, but no, he was even thicker prison than when he entered. "The pro forma session however, was delayed because the suspect is still no new lawyer. His previous counsel, Maximo Altez traveled last month give up trying. He would can not find defense strategy his client and would there that Joran legal costs can not wear. The Dutch AD also writes newspaper Joran that a friend would have. The newspaper relies to statements of the father who says that regular Flores Joran a woman in prison visits. It would to an employee of the casino where Joran and Stephany met. The Joran woman would help everyday and administrative chores, Flores said, according the AD. Stephany Flores was early June last year found dead in hotel room Joran. The suspect was all the land but could short Later in the adjacent Chile held.  He was over the border and arrested by Peruvian authorities. He confessed to the murder but withdrew this confession again quickly. About this confession is still a job that his previous lawyer had brought. Joran wants that the confession declared inadmissible. The Dutchman is still prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in 2005 in Aruba. In this case He was arrested several times but never formally charged.
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« Reply #946 on: June 12, 2011, 08:04:54 PM »

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/joran-van-der-sloot-voor-peruaanse-rechter/

Google translation:

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« Reply #947 on: June 12, 2011, 08:06:18 PM »

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/nieuws/rechter-stelt-eerste-zitting-van-der-sloot-uit/

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« Reply #948 on: June 12, 2011, 08:35:32 PM »

 

http://m.elcomercio.pe/lima/778699/noticia-madre-stephany-flores-su-muerte-fue-balazo-cabeza-mi

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« Reply #950 on: June 12, 2011, 09:03:02 PM »

http://m.elcomercio.pe/lima/778699/noticia-madre-stephany-flores-su-muerte-fue-balazo-cabeza-mi

From the video:





 
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« Reply #951 on: June 12, 2011, 09:09:47 PM »

This is a really interesting article.  Thanks for posting and getting it into English, texasmom.   It appears there is someone that could give testimony against Joran.  That's what I interpret the interpretation as.  Maybe the other person isn't "involved in the murder", (translation thing) but more of someone with insight or knowledge.  Maybe this person can say Joran lost money and was desperate, which would give the motive for robbery.  This could be important because it could give Joran more time in prison.  I think Joran was desperate, but I also haven't forgotten the date Stephany was murdered, which I don't believe was a coincidence, and he robbed her while he was at it.  Whatever adds to his time for the crime is fine with me.   JMHO


http://m.elcomercio.pe/lima/778699/noticia-madre-stephany-flores-su-muerte-fue-balazo-cabeza-mi

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"Flores also revealed that there is a thread pending the investigation and noted that there would be another person involved in the murder of his daughter.  This guy would have given information on how Van der Sloot bet and earned the young student at the University of Lima."
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« Reply #952 on: June 12, 2011, 09:22:31 PM »

This is a really interesting article.  Thanks for posting and getting it into English, texasmom.   It appears there is someone that could give testimony against Joran.  That's what I interpret the interpretation as.  Maybe the other person isn't "involved in the murder", (translation thing) but more of someone with insight or knowledge.  Maybe this person can say Joran lost money and was desperate, which would give the motive for robbery.  This could be important because it could give Joran more time in prison.  I think Joran was desperate, but I also haven't forgotten the date Stephany was murdered, which I don't believe was a coincidence, and he robbed her while he was at it.  Whatever adds to his time for the crime is fine with me.   JMHO


http://m.elcomercio.pe/lima/778699/noticia-madre-stephany-flores-su-muerte-fue-balazo-cabeza-mi

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"Flores also revealed that there is a thread pending the investigation and noted that there would be another person involved in the murder of his daughter.  This guy would have given information on how Van der Sloot bet and earned the young student at the University of Lima."

I agree MuffyBee, whatever adds to his time for the crime is fine with me as well!

I don't know if the other person involved is in reference to the contacts Joran made with Stan Pluijmen before and after the murder or not...or if there is someone else possibly with information of how Joran came in contact with Stephany and/or targeted her.  From what I've read of the comments Stan Pluijmen made, he believes Joran targeted her for her winnings because he was desperate.  It was stated in prior articles that have been posted that the communications between Joran and Stan were given to the Flores family's attorney.  It will be interesting to see what is revealed about all of this in the coming months.

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« Reply #953 on: June 12, 2011, 09:57:05 PM »

This is a really interesting article.  Thanks for posting and getting it into English, texasmom.   It appears there is someone that could give testimony against Joran.  That's what I interpret the interpretation as.  Maybe the other person isn't "involved in the murder", (translation thing) but more of someone with insight or knowledge.  Maybe this person can say Joran lost money and was desperate, which would give the motive for robbery.  This could be important because it could give Joran more time in prison.  I think Joran was desperate, but I also haven't forgotten the date Stephany was murdered, which I don't believe was a coincidence, and he robbed her while he was at it.  Whatever adds to his time for the crime is fine with me.   JMHO


http://m.elcomercio.pe/lima/778699/noticia-madre-stephany-flores-su-muerte-fue-balazo-cabeza-mi

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"Flores also revealed that there is a thread pending the investigation and noted that there would be another person involved in the murder of his daughter.  This guy would have given information on how Van der Sloot bet and earned the young student at the University of Lima."

I ran that snipping through the Babelfish translator and I thought the result was interesting...

Flowers also revealed that there is a pending thread in the investigation and indicated that there would be another person involved in the murder of his daughter. This subject would have given information him to Van der Sloot exceeds how much the young student of the University of Lima bet and won.





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« Reply #954 on: June 12, 2011, 10:34:26 PM »

Two witnesses have said that Joran knew that Stephany had won $2,500 gambling on blackjack.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001066/Joran-van-der-Sloot-broke-planned-prostitute-weeks-jailed-murder.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Joran van der Sloot was so broke he planned on becoming a prostitute weeks before he was jailed for murder
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Last updated at 7:15 PM on 8th June 2011

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The source also told the Enquirer: 'Police have found a casino employee who admits that after Joran met Stephany, he was tipped off that she had just won $2,500 gambling on blackjack..

'Another witness, one of Stephany's girlfriends, has told police that Joran was aware she hadn't had time to bank her winnings but was keeping them in the glove compartment of her car.

'It clearly reinforces that Joran planned the murder to steal Stephany's cash.'
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« Reply #955 on: June 13, 2011, 12:58:35 AM »




Justice for Natalee,



and Stephany!

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« Reply #956 on: June 13, 2011, 03:57:53 PM »

Joran van der Sloot has a girlfriend and criminal candy business

VIDEO courtesy Univision) A series of privileges in the Miguel Castro Castro maintains Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch citizen who murdered the young Stephany Flores in Lima and the U.S. years ago Ann Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

A report by the Univision Network, reveals that the alien has a candy business inside the prison compound that gives certain income, which is responsible for his girlfriend.

The lawyer for the family of Flores, Edward Alvarez, told the reporter Heidi Grossman that the Peruvian justice must end with these privileges.

"Van der Sloot has a girlfriend is Peruvian and confectionery business in the Castro Castro prison," said the defender.

According to Dutch media, the girlfriend of the alleged murderer of Stephany, is a woman who works in the same casino frequented by the victim and who now visit frequently. Unofficial even talk of a pregnancy.  

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http://www.periodismoenlinea.org/actualidad/3/10093-joran-van-der-sloot-tiene-novia-y-negocio-de-golosinas-en-penal
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« Reply #957 on: June 13, 2011, 04:02:32 PM »

Video: Joran van der Sloot is business - Eye Journal
 June 13, 2011 ... Joran van der Sloot, the Dutch citizen who murdered the young Stephany Flores in Lima and the U.S. years ago Natalee Ann ...

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As recalled, Van der Sloot refused to testify as part of the trial proceedings against him because he had no defense argued, however, refused to get a lawyer.

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http://ojo.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=51&txtNota_id=608154
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« Reply #958 on: June 13, 2011, 05:02:24 PM »

Judge van der Sloot again
 Joran van der Sloot, the court again Tuesday to appear in Peru. What is discussed during the closed session, will not mean justice.


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http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2011/06_juni/13/binnenland/van-der-sloot-opnieuw-voor-rechter.xml
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« Reply #959 on: June 13, 2011, 05:07:33 PM »

new session Tuesday Joran van der Sloot


 LIMA (Reuters) - Joran van der Sloot is Tuesday, June 14 once again face to face with the father of Stephany Flores. The session is a continuation of last week. It was among other things by Stephany Flores Van der Sloot's arrest in Chile with him identified.
 A Justice spokeswoman said Monday that the meeting scheduled at 13:00 Peruvian time. The meeting takes place in the Castro Castro prison, where Van der Sloot trapped. The spokeswoman declined to say what these new - not public - hearing is discussed.


http://www.limburger.nl/article/20110613/ANPNIEUWS01/306139496/1011
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