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« on: March 21, 2007, 05:31:08 PM »

There are supposedly 12+million illegal aliens in this country doing jobs that
americans 'won't do'.

Wonder how many americans are on welfare because thay won't do jobs that
illegal aliens do do?

Maybe we should keep the illegal aliens and ship the welfare folks back to Mexico.
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2007, 08:49:43 PM »

carnut I agree in principle with your concern, the issue is that I know from experience post the tech collapse that individuals I knew who became desperate for a job - any job - were not hired for average positions because they were 'overqualified'. I mean positions like at Best Buy or Home Depot too, in sales? I do think that impacts this and it might be a chicken and egg problem to some degree but certainly not all?

Just like Aruba, many of our illegal immigrants work in the service industry like fast food and restaurants too.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2007, 09:24:59 PM »

Nonesy,

In 1980 I worked in downtown Los Angeles for the Census Bureau for four months. I was a quality control specialist. The person in charge of the whole LA Bureau was Theodore Crane, Professor Emeritus of history at UCLA.

In years past, the US supported the Shah of Iran. When the Shah was deposed, every important person who supported him at UCLA was fired.  Ted could not even get a job at MacDonalds because he was overqualified.

After the census was completed, I used to visit him and his wife occasionally. His wife had a good job so they didn't lack money. But Ted was destroyed. He was a brilliant man with nowhere to go. He wandered around the Farmer's market and I saw him once on TV.  PBS's Huelle Howser interviewed him about current events. That was the last I saw of him.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2007, 10:37:00 PM »

Next, I want to say that even if my life depended on it, I could not work as a maid, a car washer, or a nanny. I could not clean bathrooms nor wash cars. I'm not a gardener. I could not work in a fast food store or a 7/11. I don't wanna be a garbage collector. I spent 16 years working for corporations whose double-talk I could not reconcile. That almost made me crazy. I worked for many corporations as the assistant to the chief. I quit my last job in 1998. Fortunately my mother left me her financial portfolio. It enabled me to tell the boss "I don't need this job, I have my own money. I don't like you anymore." I never sued anyone for wrongful termination, although I had plenty of ammunition and records that I kept for this exact purpose ... because I knew I never quite fit the mold. I was always overly qualified for the jobs I got. I never wanted to sue any entity even though I kept meticulous records because I thought the whole thing was too negative and I should not engage in negativity.

Let me say that through my daughter and the riches her SO provides, I have seen all kinds of workers. She pays them very well and offers health insurance if they are legal. A housekeeper comes every other day. Once when I dropped crumbs on the floor and attempted to pick them up, she said "Don't do that. Sofia will clean that up." It was almost as if she were heartless.

About half of the people my daughter hired were here illegally. She didn't check. The gardner was legal but his workers were not. The first housekeeper was legal but the second one was not. The guys who dug a ditch around the property in order to build a high wall were illegal. The contractor who constructed a dog run along the side of the house hired illegals to lay the cement and build a wall between her house and the neighbor's.

Ok, that's it. My point is that in CA, "A Day Without a Mexican" would cause the state to shut down.
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2007, 10:40:45 PM »

Louise,

I agree it's very sad and it's happened to many beginning with the downsizing that started in the 70's in corporate america too. Now all the outsourcing is deepening this and it does concern me, as does how professionals age 50 and over are viewed. Companies would rather hire for less money than for real competence and experience. If a person is willing to humble themselves like Ted and others to earn for support for  themselves and their family, it seems so unfair they aren't respected for it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2007, 10:45:41 PM »

It's just a different world now and most can't sue and win against employers for it's currently an employer's market. I watched entire legal firms eliminate or shift employee supporting practices to only supporting employers in 2000.

I suspect you are right that CA might shut down and here in the south there might be no harvests if not for the many illegal immigrant migrant workers too. A chicken processing plant was recently cited for their illegal immigrants here and shut down for a week or two. It's a pervasive situation and one I just think there may be too much water under the bridge now to rectify. perhaps I'm wrong.........I just don't know.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2007, 11:46:21 PM »

My take on it.  In my experience, they are some of the hardest and most dedicated workers I have yet to experience in the labor/service industries.

My husband runs jobs at an industrial roofing company and though he gets frustrated because he can barely understand a word they say, they are his hardest, most dedicated workers he has working for him.  They always show up and they are in no way slackers like the rest of the crews.

Where I work, we have a full service cafeteria ran by a vendor,  where they had Mexicans who could barely speak english working the grill, etc....  I would go in to order breakfast most mornings.  They would see alot of us walk in and always remember what we usually ordered, and would start it before we even spoke a word.  Best service I get anywhere else and great grill cooks!  Sometimes we would laugh, because I would order something different and throw them off.  One day I walked in and 5 of my favorite were gone.  I was really upset.  I found out the vendor decided on doing a more thorough check,  found out they were illegally here and fired them.  They have since been replaced with ungrateful, unfriendly people, who mess up my order, even after telling them specifically what I want.   They act like there face will break to crack a smile.

Sad to say,  they are here out of there own necessity, but appreciate there jobs more than those who can enjoy the freedoms here as a citizen.

So, if I owned my own labor/service company and I was looking for good, dedicated workers that I can trust to do the job right AND appreciate it, and even save money, (if I chose to pay them less)?  Well what would YOU prefer?
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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 11:48:55 PM »

On another note.  I do acknowledge those illegals who take advantage of our system as well and also commit crimes.  So I wish I could say I can think of a solution, but I can't.  Guess that's why I'm not president  Laughing
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2007, 09:44:41 PM »

Mexican workers have an innate strong work ethic. And they serve you with a big smile. And they are happy to have a job. They are warm and gracious.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2007, 11:12:57 PM »

My take is quite different... I have worked as a maid. In the late eighties, early ninties I worked one summer to pay for college not only as a waitress but a maid.  It was hard work but in my opinion it wasn't demeaning, it was honest hard work.

I have known other people who worked at jobs like that before... some even were married to attorneys and they just liked cleaning..( Rolling Eyes )
I am one that does not consider any honest work beneath me... just me though....

I don't buy that only illegals will do the jobs that supposedly Americans don't want.... I guess there are those that won't ... but I was taught that any honest paying job was not anything to ever be ashamed of...
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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2007, 11:45:09 PM »

Mrs.Red,

Do you suppose there are opportunities for Mexicans to get work as maids, ditch diggers, gardening, nannying, etc., in Mexico? Their only chance to rise above their poverty is to cross the border. They risk their lives every day to get here.
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2007, 11:48:08 PM »

Just because illegal aliens risk their lives to get here, dosen't mean that it's still not 'ILLEGAL' to do so.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2007, 12:28:37 AM »

Carnut,

Life is not as black and white as you paint it. Have a heart, George. Please consider the importance of the emotional aspect.
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2007, 01:15:18 AM »

I was always taught that the person gives dignity to the job, not the other way around.  I certainly have known many people who did just that and presented with a greater dignity in a menial job than others of high positions and no integral class of their own.

I don't think laws should be about emotions and should be black and white.  No country can survive without control of its borders.  There is just no way that can happen indefinitely.  Borders are pretty much what defines a country.  Take those away and whatever you have, it is not a legitimate country.  

And I think it well worth any economic inconvenience to take whatever actions necessary to get control of our borders.  Failure to do so can only result in disaster and given the times in which we live, we may not get a second chance to do this.  It's not too much to ask illegals coming from Mexico to come here legally as others have done since the beginnings of this country.  They are no different than other groups who have come here in large numbers and certainly are not above the law as some of them seem to think.

It took approximately eight years to obtain legal residence for my children's father but we waited our turn and even had two children before that turn arrived.  But we did it and others can just do the same.  I resent tremendously that some are afforded all kinds of special status and bypass our laws in the way that they are apparently being encouraged to do.  It wasn't easy and we did suffer financial hardship of not being able to have a medical license in many states, etc. until he was legal but as I said, we did things legally and I really resent those who just bypass it all.  It's not fair to those who abide by the law for others to be allowed to flaunt it .

I believe we are a nation of laws and not men just as the country was founded to be.  I further believe in equal justice under the law and not special privileges for some and not for others.  I also do not believe it should be legal to try to jail political opponents as we are seeing in this country now, either.  That is the end result of granting favoritism to some and not to others and is something this country has never before tolerated but we are already seeing it go straight to the attacks on those of other political persuasions.  Didn't take long at all, in fact.  

The law must be applied equally to all.  Otherwise, it's not really the law but just an idea or suggestion.  Can't be both, used to jail some and grant others special considerations.  That is insanity.

But that's just what I think.  It's what I know, too, lol.   Wink

JMO.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2007, 09:53:36 AM »

All important point Anna, you lived the immigration process with  your family and yes, there does appear to be two sets of rules now and it undermines the entire system as a result.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2007, 05:25:07 PM »

The only jobs in America that Americans won't do are the jobs that don't pay enough for Americans to want to do them.
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2007, 09:50:58 PM »

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The only jobs in America that Americans won't do are the jobs that don't pay enough for Americans to want to do them.



I have tried to pay $7.00 an hour to somebody to feed and water and care for my dogs and no one will do it.  I guess that is not enough but I am just breaking even on them as it is and can't really afford more.  There are times I would like to go out of town but I can't because there is no one who will do this work.

And I don't know what the pay scale is but I saw hundreds, acres, maybe thousands of some of the highest quality watermelons rot in the field twice bacause of no one to harvest them.  Now that is some hard work!  But still, you'd think something could be done other than just leaving them to rot like that.  Red ones, little round dark ones and yellow ones, all just left.  At least we in the neighborhood had all we could eat for free.

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« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2007, 09:01:02 AM »

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There are supposedly 12+million illegal aliens in this country doing jobs that
americans 'won't do'.

Wonder how many americans are on welfare because thay won't do jobs that
illegal aliens do do?

Maybe we should keep the illegal aliens and ship the welfare folks back to Mexico.


While I suspect that was a "tongue in cheek" comment, it is still pretty harsh.  We create a standard of living over decades for families and yet we don't pay them enough to get above the poverty line.  Yes, illegal's take the jobs, but they also are responsible for legitamate citizens having to pay higher taxes because of the burden on the public service budgets.  

I began working with illegals way back in the dark ages while still in college.  I know they are looking for a better life and there should be a way to achieve that.  However, we have a responsibility to our own citizens to make transportation, day care and several other areas affordable so that many can work.

Illegals manage this by living several families to one residence.  This type of extanded family living is not uncommon in American History.  When I grew up there we several families I knew of who had grandparents, aunts, uncles, in-laws and sometime cousins, all staying in the same residence.  We moved past that way of life as each pursued the "American Drean".  Now is is difficult for us to take that step backwards and in many communities it is against ordinances.  

Since illegals are just that, they have no problem breaking ordinances or laws to stay in this country.  Yet we are expected to ignore this and give them a pass?  Rhetorical I know, but something to think about.

When in Rome do as the Romans do.  It is time for companies to pay a living wage to all.  It is my firm belief that there would not be so many people on public support progams if companies would stop there practices of building their profits on the backs of the common worker.  

The trend today is to limit hours so that it keeps employees without benefits.  A prime example of this is "Walmart" who as a matter of practice will counsel there employees as to what forms of public assistance are available.  They do this rather than pay a livable wage or to allow the majority to qualify for benefits.

I have, as a part of my profession, tried to help others find jobs which will allow them to be independent.  I know from my own experience that those jobs have gradually disappeared over the past decades.  As employers cut hours, they not only build their own profit margin, but increase the taxes for other citizens.

This cycle must stop.
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« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2007, 08:54:54 PM »

Anna wrote: I have tried to pay $7.00 an hour to somebody to feed and water and care for my dogs and no one will do it. I guess that is not enough but I am just breaking even on them as it is and can't really afford more. There are times I would like to go out of town but I can't because there is no one who will do this work.
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For $25 per visit, Adele feeds and waters the cats, brushes them, cleans the litter box, and plays with them for an hour. She also takes in the mail, and checks the apartment to make sure there are no sinks overflowing, etc. She has the phone number of the landlady. I trust her completely. She is the only other person than my daughter who has all my keys.
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