Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11

[Tamikosmom]

DR. DREW
Aired July 14, 2011 - 21:00   ET

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PINSKY: ... What do we, as a public, do with this story that we`ve been so taken by?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I mean, when you think about it, I mean, every tragic event brings about the need for education and change. And it`s unfortunate that a mother could go 31 days without letting anyone know that her daughter was missing. But I mean, it happens time and time again. A horrific event brings about the need for education or change, and that is exactly what is coming out of Caylee`s murder.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1107/14/ddhln.01.html

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."
Beth Holloway - May, 2010


The Caylee Anthony Case

New York lawmakers preparing to introduce 'Caylee's Law'
7/18/2011

ALBANY, N.Y., July 18 (Reuters) - Citing the recent acquittal of Casey Anthony, some New York state lawmakers want to make it a felony to fail to report a missing or dead child, but many legal experts say the proposal is unnecessary and could compound family court proceedings.

The proposal, dubbed "Caylee's Law" after Anthony's 2-year-old daughter, who was found dead in 2008 after Anthony failed to report her missing for 31 days, would make it a class E felony to go more than 72 hours without notifying authorities of a missing child and 24 hours without reporting a death. Similar proposals have been announced in at least two dozen other states.

The bill has not yet been formally introduced in New York, but lawmakers who have announced their intention to propose the measure said it would give prosecutors an additional tool in exceptional cases.

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http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuters.com/Legal/News/2011/07_-_July/New_York_lawmakers_preparing_to_introduce__Caylee_s_Law_/


The Natalee Holloway Case

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 200:  My child.  My beautiful daughter.  I can't save her.  It's too late.  Natalee is gone. And second to the great tragedy of losing her is if we fail to learn from what has happened.

I could be any parent in the world.  And no parent should ever go through this experience.  Natalee could be anyone's daughter.  And in these thoughts a new path is made clear.  There is something I can do.  Many people reached out to us, and I can now reach back to them.  It might be too late to save Natalee, but it's not too late to save others.  And it's time now to make good on my pledge to stand before high-school and college students, law enforcement professinals, victims' rights groups, travelers of all ages, and anyone interested in personal safety to share Natalee's story and our hard lessons, so that others might learn from them.

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Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
 
Mayday 360
http://www.mayday360.com/default.aspx

[texasmom]

http://www.nu.nl/internet/2566412/politie-vroeg-hyvesberichten-joran-van-sloot.html

Google translation:

"Police asked to Facebook messages Joran van der Sloot"

Last update: July 17, 2011 7:25 p.m. Info

AMSTERDAM - Dutch police have private messages on Facebook from Joran van der Sloot requested.

Photo: ANP

That co-founder Raymond writes in his book Spanjar From 3 to 10,000,000 friends .

The book does Spanjar some revelations about the rise and sales of the social network.
Spanjar writes inter alia, that shortly after the murder of Natalee Holloway while the suspect Joran van der Sloot Joran Hyves profile is taken offline.

Private Messages
Normally profiles removed only by request, for example from parents or the person himself. In this case, Facebook was not a request, but the page still removed because of threats and abusive comments to Joran.

After the profile was taken offline, the Dutch police asked Facebook to private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Whether the messages relevant information was not known. Facebook has given up because the messages do so in such a situation is required.
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[texasmom]

I'm bringing the original and translation of this article over because I think they may actually be referring to Joran's "Hyves" account.  Facebook is also referenced later in the article but only in reference to it and Myspace's competition to Hyves.

Hope that makes sense.   

http://digitallife.nl/internet/25248-hyves-speelde-priveberichten-joran-van-der-sloot-door-aan-politie.html

Hyves speelde privéberichten Joran van der Sloot door aan politie
Door: Elmar Rekers | 18 juli 2011

De Nederlandse politie heeft bij Hyves aangeklopt voor de privéberichten van Joran van der Sloot. Medeoprichter Raymond Spanjar doet de onthulling in zijn boek 'Van 3 naar 10.000.000 vrienden'.

Spanjar laat weten dat Hyves op eigen initiatief het profiel van Joran van der Sloot had verwijderd. Dit omdat er vlak na de verdwijning van Nathalee Holloway, in mei 2005, bedreigingen richting de toen al verdachte Van der Sloot werden geuit.

Het duurde vervolgens niet lang voordat de politie bij Spanjar aanklopte voor inzage in de privéberichten van Joran. De medeoprichter van het sociale netwerk laat weten dat deze zijn afgestaan maar zegt niet of er ook belangrijke informatie in de berichten stond.

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Google translation:

Hyves played private message to Joran by police

By: Elmar Rekers | July 18, 2011

The Dutch police have knocked on Facebook for private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Founder Raymond Spanjar makes the revelation in his book "From 3 to 10,000,000 friends.

Spanjar Facebook has announced that on its own initiative, the profile of Joran van der Sloot had been removed. This is because just after the disappearance of Holloway Nathalee in May 2005, threats to the already suspicious van der Sloot were made.

It then took not long before the police knocked Spanjar for access to the private messages of Joran. The co-founder of the social network has announced that they have been abandoned but does not say whether there was important information in the messages.

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[texasmom]

This is the book that is referenced in the article...

http://www.boekenwarenhuis.nl/boek/hyves-r-spanjar

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[texasmom]

Some of this is in Dutch, but the comments from the authors of the book are in English...chilling imo.

Poor Stephany!   

Why they had John van den Heuval there also...I don't know...he's had plenty of air time for his book that came out in October of last year!  But he even seemed to get the last word.

 

Joran Van Der Sloot in EenVandaag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooaCIvUntyE

Google translation:

Uploaded by TheJoranvdsloot on July 18, 2011

Joran van der Sloot has Stephany Flores deliberately killed her and would probably have been tortured.

This American journalists writing Pulitzer Lisa Thompson and Cole in their recently published book, Portrait of a Monster.

Both reporters spent weeks by the Peruvian police and famlie Flores.

After hours of self-questioning by the police if they see they say all the documents in this notorious case.

The result is a book with dozens of new details. Tonight in the broadcast interview with two journalists.

Callan is the Peruvian chief investigator of the homicide. He has a 400 pages thick file with all the facts and findings on the murder of Stephany.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ooaCIvUntyE?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ooaCIvUntyE?version=3&amp;amp;hl=en_US&amp;amp;rel=0</a>

[texasmom]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Portraitofamonster#p/u

There are four videos here, two from Cole Thompson's and Lisa Pulitzer's research trip to Peru...one of the Atlantic City Casino and surrounding area and another of the Hotel Tac and surrounding area; the other two are recent interviews they've done for Fox and MSNBC promoting the book.

[Kermit]

http://www.nu.nl/internet/2566412/politie-vroeg-hyvesberichten-joran-van-sloot.html

Google translation:

"Police asked to Facebook messages Joran van der Sloot"

Last update: July 17, 2011 7:25 p.m. Info

AMSTERDAM - Dutch police have private messages on Facebook from Joran van der Sloot requested.

Photo: ANP

That co-founder Raymond writes in his book Spanjar From 3 to 10,000,000 friends .

The book does Spanjar some revelations about the rise and sales of the social network.
Spanjar writes inter alia, that shortly after the murder of Natalee Holloway while the suspect Joran van der Sloot Joran Hyves profile is taken offline.

Private Messages
Normally profiles removed only by request, for example from parents or the person himself. In this case, Facebook was not a request, but the page still removed because of threats and abusive comments to Joran.

After the profile was taken offline, the Dutch police asked Facebook to private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Whether the messages relevant information was not known. Facebook has given up because the messages do so in such a situation is required.
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The Policia weren't very astute it seems. Freebirds were in Joran's facebook with him.


JORANS FACEBOOK MAY 29/31

[grace-land]

   Texasmom, I enjoyed your comments after you translated the articles above.  Here's some information about Hyves from 2009--

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2009/tc2009017_093945.htm

Facebook, Meet the Locals
U.S. social networking sites are eager to expand overseas, but they'll have to contend with homegrown competitors in key markets
Raymond Spanjar co-founded Hyves, the dominant social networking site of the Netherlands
By Douglas MacMillan

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Hyves (its name being a play on the English word "beehives") says it has signed up 7 million Dutch residents, or almost half of the country's population of 16 million, since launching in 2004. On the site, users post photos and videos, customize their personal profiles, and connect with neighbors in nearby provinces. One of the most popular users is Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who boasts about 150,000 friends and sometimes invites people he meets on the site for a visit to his presidential office.

"The local tone of voice of our Web site is very important," says Hyves co-founder Raymond Spanjar. "Both MySpace and Facebook have been translated into Dutch, but as is usually the case, the translation is rather clinical and doesn't really compare." For example, Facebook's "Wall" feature, a personal guestbook where friends can leave comments, in Dutch is called a "prikboard," the literal translation for bulletin board. By contrast, Hyves created an original name, the "krabbel," for its comparable feature. "It is now a very popular word, and might even be added to the Dutch dictionary," Spanjar says.

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[texasmom]

 

[Nut44x4]

awwwwwwwwwwww.........my fav!

[grace-land]

Video in English

http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloot-monster

Joran van der Sloot: "The Monster"
Published on : 19 July 2011 - 1:49pm

New revelations have emerged about a murder in Peru last year, allegedly committed by Dutchman Joran van der Sloot. He reportedly killed Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. According to a new book, "Portrait of a Monster", van der Sloot also allegedly severely tortured Stephany Flores.

Two New York crime reporters spent months in Peru investigating the murder of Ms Flores. They also had unprecedented access to van der Sloot's police file. They write that he didn't kill her in the heat of passion but over several hours. Their conclusion is clear: Joran van der Sloot is a monster.

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[grace-land]

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

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Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

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[texasmom]

Thanks grace-land!   

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/34352-alarma-falso-na-cas-di-nel-oduber.html

Papiamentu translation:

alarma false at home of nel oduber

tuesday, 19 july 2011 14:01

at central of ambulance owing to enter one call alrededor of 1or of afternoon in cual is ask asistencia urgente for cas of ex first minister nel oduber situa in nayostraat at ponton. the call owing to relata cu have one action serious andando in the cas y cu have 3 person injury. owing to send 2 ambulance y patrol of police for her sitio, but at arrival owing to constata cu was one alarma false!

bisiñanan owing to spanta hour cu ambulance owing to arrive the cas under sirena, same is patrol of police. pio still hour cu battalion of acolyte of prensa owing to aglomera fast residencia of we ex first mandatario, buscando informacion on kico will can is pasando eyden. for of neighbour we owing to compronde cu they not owing to hear nothing odd y cu all cos is normal. child of the actual leader of mep owing to leave pafo y owing to splica autoridad present abroad of they residencia cu all cos is below ; control inside y cu not have nothing tumando luga. police owing to disculpa for her inconvenencia y owing to follow they patrol.

mature is cu this is one "joke" of very bad taste because tanto ambulance because; police owing to arrive cu maximo urgencia at home of one ex mandatario, precisamente in the trafico pisa of afternoon, treciendo trafico at danger, siendo cu not had nothing sosodiendo at the cas. bale la pena investiga now is that owing to calling y cu what intencion is haci one jest so!

[texasmom]

 

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/34346-homber-a-bebe-clorox.html

Papiamentu translation:

man owing to drink clorox

tuesday, 19 july 2011 11:42

monday night alrededor of 11or polisnan owing to bay atende cu one man at weg kust batterij cu had intencion of comete suicidio, by of drink clorox. at instant cu past owing to notice arrival of police y personal of ambulance, he owing to become aggressive y onbeschoft. owing to deal at transport’e for hospital for ricibi tratamento medico, but past owing to deny of all form. because; cu past owing to become fresco contra all present, owing to opta for detene y transport’e for keep of police at san nicolaas for her can calma his self.

[nonesuche]

Video in English

http://www.rnw.nl/english/video/joran-van-der-sloot-monster

Joran van der Sloot: "The Monster"
Published on : 19 July 2011 - 1:49pm

New revelations have emerged about a murder in Peru last year, allegedly committed by Dutchman Joran van der Sloot. He reportedly killed Stephany Flores in his hotel room in Lima. According to a new book, "Portrait of a Monster", van der Sloot also allegedly severely tortured Stephany Flores.

Two New York crime reporters spent months in Peru investigating the murder of Ms Flores. They also had unprecedented access to van der Sloot's police file. They write that he didn't kill her in the heat of passion but over several hours. Their conclusion is clear: Joran van der Sloot is a monster.

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so he tortured her for hours - very typical of a psychopath who started his reign of terror by torturing animals. Anita deserves the same treatment IMO

[nonesuche]

http://www.nu.nl/internet/2566412/politie-vroeg-hyvesberichten-joran-van-sloot.html

Google translation:

"Police asked to Facebook messages Joran van der Sloot"

Last update: July 17, 2011 7:25 p.m. Info

AMSTERDAM - Dutch police have private messages on Facebook from Joran van der Sloot requested.

Photo: ANP

That co-founder Raymond writes in his book Spanjar From 3 to 10,000,000 friends .

The book does Spanjar some revelations about the rise and sales of the social network.
Spanjar writes inter alia, that shortly after the murder of Natalee Holloway while the suspect Joran van der Sloot Joran Hyves profile is taken offline.

Private Messages
Normally profiles removed only by request, for example from parents or the person himself. In this case, Facebook was not a request, but the page still removed because of threats and abusive comments to Joran.

After the profile was taken offline, the Dutch police asked Facebook to private messages of Joran van der Sloot. Whether the messages relevant information was not known. Facebook has given up because the messages do so in such a situation is required.
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The Policia weren't very astute it seems. Freebirds were in Joran's facebook with him.


JORANS FACEBOOK MAY 29/31

well said - shame they didn't bother to just track Renho's FB activities along with the motley aruba crew - what was the name of that awful guy, wasn't it Tito? Subpoena all of it.........

[klaasend]

Click on the link below NOW!


http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u

[texasmom]

I bet Dana's show was good, hate I missed it...I'll have to listen to the podcast!

 

[texasmom]

http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/people/article/48041-authors-on-the-air-july-19-2011-daniel-silva-cole-thomson-adam-ross.html

Authors on the Air July 19, 2011: Daniel Silva, Cole Thomson, Adam Ross
Jul 19, 2011

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Cole Thomson, author of Portrait of a Monster: Joran van der Sloot, a Murder in Peru, and the Natalee Holloway Mystery (St. Martin's Press, 978-0312359218), will appear on Joy Behar.

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I've been watching...no Cole Thompson yet...Nancy Grace talking about the Casey Anthony, Jesse Grund and now a couple talking about "praying the gay away".  I'm about to give up!