Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 - 8/28/11

[Tamikosmom]

Not once did Taco Stein, Solicitor General of Aruba publicly express the same outrage  about Joran van der Sloot.  Joran had a history.  Why the double standard?

Could it be that Gary Giordano is not the son of a Dutch elite?  Could it be that there is not an agenda within the investigation to protect Gary Giordano from accountability in regards to his participation in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner ... an agenda that impliea justice will not prevail?

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DR. DREW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 21:00   ET

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MATT LAUER, "THE TODAY SHOW": According to "People" magazine, Mr. Stein, you describe Mr. Giordano in this way -- and they have you quoted here -- "He is a mean bastard." And then the next quote, "The way he treats women, it`s all geared toward himself."

Do you think that that quote coming from you in some ways might be problematic at this stage of the case?

STEIN: Well, I don`t know. I can have an opinion myself about a person. I`m not dealing with the case myself. So my colleagues who will take the case to court will not be biased.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/ddhln.01.html

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[Tamikosmom]

The blood of Stephany Flores is on the hands of those within the Aruban/Dutch administration who protected Joran van der Sloot from accountability time and time again.

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Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot

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 12. On at least three occasions prior to May 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of “date rape” perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices

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http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html

[Tamikosmom]

Why did owners and authorities turn a blind eye towards an underage Joran's involvement in the Aruban gambling and nightclub establishments?

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Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.

[Tamikosmom]

Why did casino/club owners as well as Aruban authorities turn a blind eye towards underage Joran illegal activities?

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Beth Holloway - LOVING NATALEE

Page 39:  Following our brief conversation, we all walk immediately to the fron desk to ask about someone named Joran who is staying in the hotel and plays in the casino here.  The Holiday Inn night manager, Brenda, knows him by name.  "Oh! yes ... yes ... Joran.  He gambles in the Excelsior Casino here.  He likes to prey on young female tourists.  Especially the blonds.


Joran van der Sloot -Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Jossy Mansur - DANA PRETZER - July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino.  I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks.   I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was “whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

[texasmom]

Wonder if the tourists know about this... 

 

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/81260-personeel-gevangenis-kia-geschorst

Google translation:

KIA prison personnel suspended

FRIDAY, AUGUST 19 2011 10:01




Authorities investigating the escape of two heavy criminals from prison KIA.

ORANGE CITY - A number of prison staff KIA has been suspended pending the investigation into the escape of two dangerous criminals yesterday. "There are disciplinary measures against some employees," said Garrick Lacle, spokesman for Justice Minister Arthur Dower (AVP).

by our reporter

Alex Lacle

On the night of Wednesday to Thursday, around a quarter to two, escaped Jory Edmond Lo-A and Njoe Ulgino Reynaldo Gonzales, from prison. They knew from their cell to break down and tied together with bed sheets over the fences and walls of the jail. All this happened without the guards sounded the alarm, but the escape was well recorded on security cameras. Hours later, when all was light, was only beaten alarm. When asked if these guards deliberately looked the other way and they forsook their duty by not paying attention, the spokesman could not answer. "That should the investigation establish. I can not tell you yet. "The investigation into the escape, according to the spokesperson in the hands of the Land Investigation and other" competent bodies ".


The criminals were this morning still on the run. "The search is in progress," said police spokesman John Larmonie. The police does everything for the two escapees back behind bars. Both uniformed police investigators working on the case. The Arrest Team (AT) and the Mobile Unit (ME) to help with the search. Furthermore, the military readiness, as confirmed Lacle request. "We have soldiers in the barracks asked, should the need arise, to assist." He says they are not used, but it is a option. The escaped criminals are known to be dangerous and extremely violent. Both were convicted of serious crimes, as did Justice Minister Arthur Dower (AVP) today know. Citizens are summoned by the police again to look at these criminals, and they will not themselves be approached. "Call the police at telephone 100 with any information whatsoever," says Larmonie. "For your own safety they should not be approached. We must assume that they may be armed and desperate. "For anonymous tips on these criminals can be dialed number 11141.

Threat

Persistent rumors of death threats from the criminals escaped to the address of specific agents, according to police spokesman Larmonie not based on truth. Does give Larmonie that these wannabe gangsters "themselves often talk tough about the" agents of harm, but that the investigation so far has yielded no evidence that this is a serious threat.

[klaasend]

If I remember correctly, in Aruba, if prisoners escape and are found, they do not get in trouble.  The guards get in trouble for not doing their job but they expect the prisoners to want out and they don't get extra time for trying to get out.   

[wreck]

If I remember correctly, in Aruba, if prisoners escape and are found, they do not get in trouble.  The guards get in trouble for not doing their job but they expect the prisoners to want out and they don't get extra time for trying to get out.   

So........................... if they kill a guard trying to escape, then it is probably "justifiable homicide"!!!!!! 

The place is UNBELIEVABLE!!! 

[Kermit]

If I remember correctly, in Aruba, if prisoners escape and are found, they do not get in trouble.  The guards get in trouble for not doing their job but they expect the prisoners to want out and they don't get extra time for trying to get out.   

So........................... if they kill a guard trying to escape, then it is probably "justifiable homicide"!!!!!! 

The place is UNBELIEVABLE!!! 

It would serve em all right if they all just started killing each other.

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/35634-alex-mathew-polis-ta-gana.html

Papiamentu translation:

alex mathew: police is lie!

thursday, 18 august 2011 18:14

for demostra cu in kia celular, blackberry y even laptop is enter, behold here one "post" haci today afternoon by of the preso (prisoner) alex mathew. the preso is critica the mature cu polisnan owing to let know cu the two fugitivonan of husticia will owing to let one carta of menasa behind. the is sospecha cu police is tell this immidiately for they achieve autorisacion for "shoot to kill" on the two fugitivonan. more far the is acusa we sistema hudicial of is corupto. all this on his facebook....pues in kia the presonan have acceso at facebook, obviamente!



Some of the comments are interesting imo.   

[texasmom]

Another murder in Aruba...   

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/35418-homber-staca-den-pecho.html

Papiamentu translation:

asesinato at tarabana: man surname camara of 33 year hinca y beat owing to die at hospital

sunday, 14 august 2011 19:03

diadomingo nightfall first cu bahada of sun bisiñanan of pindastraat cu fiyostraat owing to hear gritonan of two man is fight abroad of they cura of cas. according one witness hour the la leave abroad for see kico is pasando owing to come encontra one cabayero throw near of the passenger of one car y one another is huy in forest. the bisiñanan is sospecha of one action for asunto of throw of drugs cual is some comun in the area. police owing to confisca one nisan ex saloon color cora burn. recherche owing to present at the sitio for inicia the investigacion. ambulance owing to transporta the victima cu maximo urgencia for dr horacio oduber hospital. at hospital dokternna owing to work cune but owing to golpinan y hinca at his curpa was demasiado for her can owing to sobrevivi. informacion cu have is tell cu he calling marco camara of 33 year owing to fayece at dr horacio oduber hospital. cuerpo tecnico y recherché is investigando the caso. is buscando testigonan in the caso here.

They've made an arrest in this murder.

http://www.awe24.com/20110819/8229/Hues_comisario_a_prolonga_detencion_di_ali_kai_thielman_relaciona_cu_e

judge comisario owing to prolonga detencion of ali kai thielman relaciona cu the asesinato at tarabana

12 hora happen come across, 19 of august 2011 11:59

diabierna morning owing to present fast of judge comisario the sospechoso ali kai thielman, after of owing to revisa the documentonan of the investigacion, not owing to stay nothing another for prolonga the detencion of ali kai because; sospechoso of the asesinato at tarabana week happen.



From an older case, no date on the article...

http://www.einformante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=142:bringamento-dilanti-corte-relaciona-cu-caso-tiramento-di-gang-di-dakota&catid=8:corte&Itemid=7

 ::snipping2::

in sitting-room of corte all the sospechosonan envolvi in one or another as in the casonan of tiramento (shooting) at havanna, eagle beach y bouwmaatschappij (construction company) y also sospecha of is form part of one organizacion cu intension of comete crimen was present. the sospechosonan ta: derrick dania, herman cabrera, alfred williams, nigel williams, ali kai thielman. come across.

 ::snipping2::

[texasmom]

Popular party site...

http://www.awe24.com/20110818/8225/Alarma_pa_mucha_muher_cu_lo_a_overdose_riba_Tanki_di_Alto_Vista

Papiamentu translation:

alarma for child muher cu will owing to overdose on tanki of alto vista

1 day happen come across, 18 of august 2011 12:07

diahuebs afternoon owing to enter informe of cu on the hill of the tanki of alto vista will have one child muher cu will owing to overdose, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol y ambulance they owing to compronde cu already end the child muher owing to being take away cu car particular.

[texasmom]

The prisoners that escaped from KIA.

http://www.awe24.com/20110818/8221/2_detenido_a_huy_for_di_KIA_ta_trata_aki_di_Edmond_Lo-A-Njoe_y_Ulgino_Gonzalez

Papiamentu translation:

2 detenido owing to huy (escape) for of kia is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe y ulgino gonzalez



1 day happen come across, 18 of august 2011 9:27

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe cu 2 detenido owing to huy for of kia, is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe naci at aruba 27 okt 1987 y also ulgino "gino" gonzales naci at curacao 9 okt 1987. they're being considera dangerous y they can is arm, they're acolyte of santa cruz soldiers. apparently they will owing to let behind one informe cu they will bay likida one police. edmond lo-a-njoe is pelon, much tattoo at his curpa, 1,80m, much dangerous. ulgino gonzalez also is pelon, color bruin cla, 1,75m, eye cla much dangerous.

[texasmom]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Carla-Baron/130633511328?sk=wal

[texasmom]

[Tamikosmom]

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET

HILL: ... But Beth -- first, what went through your gut when you heard about this case?

BETH HOLLOWAY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: First of all, I know the challenges that the family will face navigating foreign law. In Aruba in particular, I mean it was very difficult for me to communicate with them, to get information and have them act in an expeditious manner in handling the case with professionalism. So I was concerned.

HILL: Should a family -- I mean as soon as something like this happens, would you counsel a family, get down there immediately --

HOLLOWAY: I don`t really encourage them -- I really that is a move that I would personally want to make. But some just aren`t able to do that. And so the main thing I think I can guide them is getting them connected immediately to the right resources and getting those resources to work for them. That is what is key.

HILL: And that is what the Natalee Holloway Resource Center does is help families find those resources.

HOLLOWAY: Yes, absolutely.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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HILL: The Aruban authorities continue investigating.

Beth, when you look at the steps that had been taken. They`ve stopped him. I mean he went passed the Aruban -- sort of arm of law and they were able to bring him back in. Do you get a sense that perhaps they`re doing a better job?

HOLLOWAY: I do. I`m still guarded though and I do hope they prove me wrong and show me what Dutch law can really do with a perpetrator on their island. I am very encouraged so far. So I just want to -- just see how this proceeds.

HILL: And I think that a lot of us as we watched the tragedy that you went through unfold, a lot of us kind of had a lesson. We were watching as -- you were frustrated in attempts to get things done. And it`s just not the way things normally happen here. Is it wise for families to try to get their own perhaps investigators or experts to a location?

HOLLOWAY: I think the key is getting someone who can represent the family. A liaison, a victim`s liaison, someone whether it`s the law enforcement, an attorney that can communicate with the foreign law enforcement. Because they don`t want to confide and speak with -- you know, speak everything with the family. And I understand that, especially with the mother or the father. But you know, you are in a very emotional state.

HILL: Is it best if it`s a person from that particular country?

HOLLOWAY: No, I think it`s good for someone from the victim`s homeland to be able to communicate with the foreign official and then update the family. I think it just -- because when communication breaks down or shuts down and you are already dealing with a language barrier that leads you to be just more frustrated and more frightened and less feeling that something is really being done --

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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HILL: ... I`d like to -- to have you sort of fill us in on one of the cases that the resource center is focused on as well. And it`s this -- Don Nicholas, a Charlotte man who went missing while he was out surfing in Fiji. What happened there?

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Beth, how does -- how does your resource center help people like that? The families of folks who are missing.

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY RESOURCE CENTER: Well, twofold. The resource center, it`s -- we want to focus on crime prevention. I mean that`s our primary goal but should tragedy strike, our biggest asset in helping these families is -- is the press releases and getting the media engagement for the families. Because that`s so important in getting soliciting the eyewitness accounts, tips that are coming in. And with this family, like I said, they are just really looking to raise awareness of Don`s disappearance in hopes that someone may have seen something.

HILL: How difficult is it when you`re dealing with a foreign country? You know it`s not -- it didn`t happen in the States. It`s a completely different judicial system, police system, investigative system. How do you deal with that?

HOLLOWAY: It is. And the nature of the beast is -- when -- when these calls come in from the families who have a love one go missing in a foreign country -- it`s -- there are three questions? What can the embassy provide to me and what can they not provide. And the second is police information, government contacts and even getting their own U.S. information, their own U.S. resources and then getting those resources to work for your missing loved one.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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HOLLOWAY: What I`ll recommend to the families when you have a loved one suddenly go missing, have a command center. Whether it`s a church, whether it`s a community center, someone`s home; so you can kind of have some continuity and a good flow and channel of information for law enforcement to come to, for searchers to come to and for tips to be funneled from. So, you know, I think that --

HILL: So setting up these Web sites is a good idea.

HOLLOWAY: Absolutely it is. Absolutely.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET

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HILL: ... The thing is, so many of these cases, and correct me if I`m wrong, so many of them seem to be revolving around bars and drinking and walking some place by yourself.   

HOLLOWAY: You are exactly right. And it`s late at night. I mean it`s that same mode of operation. That same outcome which is not good. Last seen leaving a establishment, alone, walking at night, 12:30 a.m. or 1:30 a.m. and the outcome is never good.

HILL: What would you counsel -- if moms and dads are going to get the chance to talk to their kids right now and say, here is what I want to you do. Clearly you can`t hold their hand every place they go. Is it call when you leave some place? You know, always make sure that somebody knows where you are going and who you are with and what the time line is?

HOLLOWAY: They spend a lot of time in planning and texting, where they`re going, who they are going with, what they`re wearing. All I ask them when I speak these kids is put as much time in how you will end your outing. As you do when deciding in where you`re going and who you`re going with. Just have a plan of exit.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html

[Tamikosmom]

TRAGEDY CREATES AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE

The Goal of Education

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway

Page 189:    It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Website:
Natalee Holloway Resouce Center
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

Facebook:
Natalee Holloway Resource Center
http://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing

Help Find Robyn Colson - Gardner : Missing in Aruba
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552?sk=wall

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