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« Reply #860 on: August 20, 2011, 01:50:29 PM »

Explicit pictures’ of Gardner on Giordano’s camera       
Thursday, 18 August 2011 13:14


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He (Solicitor General Taco Stein) does confirm one person from the FBI, who is normally stationed in Barbados, is on the island. According to the OM, he coordinates the legal aid requests from Aruba to the United States. Stein does not expect more FIB-officers will come to the island. He states there are sufficient ‘extremely capable people’ in the Kingdom who can assist with the investigation. For example, he names a team with tracking dogs from the KLPD (Corps National Police Services) in The Netherlands that is ‘worldwide renown’ and on request could be deployed in tracing the body.

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Never Passed the Ball

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 184: Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow. "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans. Not one tape. Nothing." he says sadly. Depite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball. Not even for one minute


No Invitation Extended

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words


Kyle Kingman:  The Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present).
 
Kyle Kingman:  John definitely believed the Arubans at their every word

Kyle Kingman:  Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it.  At that point, I made the statement to all on board that we do have an interest and that we would recover the cage ourselves.  That is when Mos said they would dive on it but it would take 1 -2 weeks for a forensics team to arrive and that he would let Persistence know.

Kyle Kingman:  The FBI said they needed an invitation. I brought it up to Mos and Richardson and they were talking as if it were a possibility along with a Dutch forensic team. Mos said it would take about 10-14 days to have a Dutch forensic team on site. Never heard another word about it.

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« Reply #861 on: August 20, 2011, 02:53:53 PM »

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2011/08/19/behar.holloway.missing.hln

Beth Holloway on missing Aruba woman
Joy Behar|Added on August 19, 2011

Beth Holloway, Natalee Holloway's mother, speaks out on the latest case of a missing woman in Aruba.

The Joy Behar Show - HLN - CNN.com Blogs
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« Reply #862 on: August 20, 2011, 03:45:15 PM »

JOY BEHAR SHOW
Aired August 18, 2011 - 22:00   ET


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HILL: ... The thing is, so many of these cases, and correct me if I`m wrong, so many of them seem to be revolving around bars and drinking and walking some place by yourself.   

HOLLOWAY: You are exactly right. And it`s late at night. I mean it`s that same mode of operation. That same outcome which is not good. Last seen leaving a establishment, alone, walking at night, 12:30 a.m. or 1:30 a.m. and the outcome is never good.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html


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HILL: ... I know that -- that used to be the case and almost all instances of -- of murder that it was -- you look at the persons who were the closest to that -- to that victim and you usually find the one responsible. But now there seems to be more random crime.

HOLLOWAY: Well, you`re exactly right. There are more random crimes but I still think if you go back to the basics, and when you`re -- when you begin you have to -- you have to have a threshold and -- in a lot of cases, you might have a person of interest that -- who was the last person seen with this individual.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html

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« Reply #863 on: August 20, 2011, 03:53:55 PM »

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HILL: What would you counsel -- if moms and dads are going to get the chance to talk to their kids right now and say, here is what I want to you do. Clearly you can`t hold their hand every place they go. Is it call when you leave some place? You know, always make sure that somebody knows where you are going and who you are with and what the time line is?

HOLLOWAY: They spend a lot of time in planning and texting, where they`re going, who they are going with, what they`re wearing. All I ask them when I speak these kids is put as much time in how you will end your outing. As you do when deciding in where you`re going and who you`re going with. Just have a plan of exit.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/18/joy.01.html



Prevention

Loving Natalee
A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 219/220: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  It gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.  I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them to do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It is not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing  not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.


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« Reply #864 on: August 20, 2011, 04:03:20 PM »

NATIONAL MUSEUM OF CRIME & PUNISHMENT
Natalee Holloway Resource Center


Tips for Robyn Gardner case, call: 407-237-2295

http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC.html
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« Reply #865 on: August 20, 2011, 04:23:27 PM »

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« Reply #866 on: August 20, 2011, 08:53:32 PM »


Could it be the Gary Giordano had been drugging Robyn Gardner since their arrival on the Island three days earlier ... drugging in a quest for "beyond pornographic" images ... images that Robyn would never consent to?

Could the life insurance policy imply that Gary Giordano planned to murder Robyn Gardner to avoid any backlast from the drugging and the unconsented "beyond pornographic" images?

Could it be that Gary Giordano did not anticipate Aruban authorities challenging his snorkling/drowning story?

Could it be that Gary Giodano and/or Aruban authorities did not anticipate the media to become an issue?  Think about it.  If Robert Forester had not contacted the NHRC would Giodano had caught that plane home to the States and ... the disappearance of Robyn Gardner would have been categorized as an accidental drowning.  Case Closed!

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BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, first of all, Richard made the call to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center on August the 8th, which was a great move on his part. We were able to immediately pull together some photos that Richard had given us.

And the biggest asset of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is that we provide is we send out the media release. And as we al know, media is essential in helping to solicit tips and eyewitnesses. So we got that ball rolling through Richard`s efforts.

PINSKY: And Beth, I must say, it has to bring up all of those old feelings, even just seeing what Richard is going through. Have you been in contact with her family?

HOLLOWAY: I have not been in contact with Robyn`s family. And Richard has been communicating with the staff at the Natalee Holloway Resource Center. So we have just been -- I have just been working with the staff there to coordinate.

PINSKY: Has her family been involved with this?

HOLLOWAY: Her family has -- they have not -- no one at the Natalee Holloway Resource Center has spoken to Robyn`s family. I believe the only two people they have spoken to are the cousin and Richard himself.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/10/ddhln.01.html


Missing in Aruba: Investigators Focus on Insurance Policy
Aug. 17, 2011


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Surveillance video from local businesses place Giordano and Gardner at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of the island before Gardner went missing, a law enforcement source told ABC News. Restaurant staff said that Gardner seemed woozy while the two ate; Giordano later told police they'd been drinking vodka at the Marriott before dining, and that she'd taken sleeping pills earlier in the day, the source said.

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Video:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/missing-aruba-investigators-focus-insurance-policy/story?id=14321496

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« Reply #867 on: August 20, 2011, 08:55:04 PM »

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NANCY GRACE, HOST:  ... Now claims emerging Gardner woozy at that lunch, woozy after being given sleeping pills. Who takes sleeping pills before they snorkel? ...

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« Reply #868 on: August 20, 2011, 09:01:45 PM »


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« Reply #869 on: August 20, 2011, 10:37:29 PM »

The Goal of Education

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway


Page 189:   It's the proverbial, Biblical conflict between good and evil.  It's very, very hard to fight evil because it constantly changes form and you never know who your enemies are.  And evil is always two steps ahead. From the outset we never had a chance.  But we didn't know it.  I'm taking leave of the island, but not from the work yet to be done.

Page 208:  The goal of education is twofold: to bring a message about personal safety to high-school and college students and to educate travellers.

Page 209:  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive.


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« Reply #870 on: August 20, 2011, 10:46:19 PM »






Making a Difference

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm


She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

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Website:
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http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC
http://helpthemissing.org/

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« Reply #871 on: August 21, 2011, 02:13:07 AM »

The prisoners that escaped from KIA.

http://www.awe24.com/20110818/8221/2_detenido_a_huy_for_di_KIA_ta_trata_aki_di_Edmond_Lo-A-Njoe_y_Ulgino_Gonzalez

Papiamentu translation:

2 detenido owing to huy (escape) for of kia is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe y ulgino gonzalez



1 day happen come across, 18 of august 2011 9:27

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe cu 2 detenido owing to huy for of kia, is deal here of edmond lo-a-njoe naci at aruba 27 okt 1987 y also ulgino "gino" gonzales naci at curacao 9 okt 1987. they're being considera dangerous y they can is arm, they're acolyte of santa cruz soldiers. apparently they will owing to let behind one informe cu they will bay likida one police. edmond lo-a-njoe is pelon, much tattoo at his curpa, 1,80m, much dangerous. ulgino gonzalez also is pelon, color bruin cla, 1,75m, eye cla much dangerous.

They caught one of them Saturday evening...

http://www.awe24.com/20110820/8245/Buskeda_grandi_pa_e_fugitivo_tabata_fructifero_y_a_logra_captura_e_fugitivo

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda big for her fugitivo was fructifero y owing to succeed captura the fugitivo edmond lo-a-njoe

7 hora happen come across, 20 of august 2011 18:45

is so cu today, saturday nightfall, for more or less 6 or, the team combina of police, recherche, unidad canino, helicopter of police y team of aresto owing to on account of achieve one tip of gold relaciona cu the fugitivonan. they owing to wordo informa cu probably the fugitivo loe-a-ñoe will is scondi in one cas at first stickhill weg. at the hour menciona the team owing to acerca the cas. algo have to owing to alerta the profugo menciona cu owing to core leave via door behind. in espacio of 15 minut owing to succeed place hand on the these fugitivo menciona. in one buskeda (search) make in the cas (house) menciona owing to come achieve municion of arm of candela, bullet proof vest, cloths camouflage, etc. the team also owing to detene one person more relaciona cu the investigacion cu is wordo sospecha of owing to give yudansa at the fugitivo loe-a-ñoe. so cu have more informacion we will bring this



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« Reply #872 on: August 21, 2011, 03:29:32 AM »


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE,


AND STEPHANY!

 

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« Reply #873 on: August 21, 2011, 11:12:38 AM »

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Robyn-Gardner-latest-New-witness-delayed-search/ySXn08_AXEm_iLWUjq9CkQ.cspx

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A man who was fishing on the beach says Gardner and her companion Gary Giordano left the beach without going in the water.  The witness says the two drove off and didn't return to the beach.

Giordano claims he and Gardner were snorkeling and she disappeared in the water.   Giordano is being held as a suspect in her disappearance. 

Among the reasons he is being held is an insurance policy he purchased on Gardner, that he tried to collect on after her disappearance.   Giordano, who purchased the accidental policy shortly before travelling to the Dutch Caribbean island with the 35-year-old, tried to begin redeeming the American Express policy, which he took out just days before their trip and unusually only covered the trip to Aruba.
According to a police source, Giordano purchased a more expensive one-year policy instead of a more commonly purchased five year policy.

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« Reply #874 on: August 21, 2011, 12:18:35 PM »

Missing in Aruba … Case Just Got More Bizarre, Gary Giordano Took Out $1.5 million Policy out on Robyn Gardner before Trip to Aruba & Pornographic Pics

Posted August 19, 2011 by Scared Monkeys

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/08/19/missing-in-aruba-case-just-got-more-bizzare-gary-giordano-took-out-1-5-million-policy-out-on-robyn-gardner-before-trip-to-aruba-pornagraphic-pics/#comments

12.  A Texas Grandfather on August 20th, 2011 5:00 pm
 
This case is beginning to look like a planned way to collect the insurance proceeds. The suspect hires a woman that is more than likley a high class prostitute who will travel with a client.

He takes her to Aruba where he figures he can get away with a murder without prosecution. He buys an insuranc policy for travel on her life, enjoys a few days of her services and then either sells her or kills her and hides the body. ...


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Robyn Gardner missing: FBI searches Gaithersburg house of Gary Giordano
August 12, 2011 - 02:13 pm


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Giordano and Gardner, who is from Frederick, Maryland, arrived in Aruba on July 31 and stayed in the same room at a Marriott hotel.

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http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/08/robyn-gardner-missing-aruba-authorities-believe-gardner-dead-65060_page2.html

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« Reply #875 on: August 21, 2011, 12:22:10 PM »


Could it be that Gary Giordano did not anticipate Aruban authorities challenging his snorkling/drowning story?

Could it be that Gary Giodano and/or Aruban authorities did not anticipate the media to become an issue?

Think about it.  If Richard Forester had not contacted the NHRC would Gary Giodano had caught that plane home to the States and ... the disappearance of Robyn Gardner would have been categorized as an accidental drowning.  Case Closed!

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BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: Well, first of all, Richard made the call to the Natalee Holloway Resource Center on August the 8th, which was a great move on his part. We were able to immediately pull together some photos that Richard had given us.

And the biggest asset of the Natalee Holloway Resource Center is that we provide is we send out the media release. And as we al know, media is essential in helping to solicit tips and eyewitnesses. So we got that ball rolling through Richard`s efforts.

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« Reply #877 on: August 21, 2011, 01:25:08 PM »


Natalee

Thank you, Kermit.  I don't remember seeing this picture before.
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« Reply #878 on: August 21, 2011, 01:50:39 PM »

 
Police Reveal 'Bloody Handprint' Evidence In Aruba Mystery Disappearance Doesn't Exist
Posted on Aug 21, 2011 @ 06:00AM


A purported key piece evidence in the mysterious disappearance of missing American woman Robyn Gardner doesn't exist, police have revealed.

Blood was reportedly found on a rock near the restaurant not far from where Gardner and her traveling companion Gary Giordano were last seen together.

PHOTOS: Richard Forester And Robyn Gardner

But Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said in an interview Saturday night: "The detail about the hand print and blood is not true."

"That is not something that we have found," the Solicitor General said, adding: "Let me put that to rest as that only hinders the investigation."


Speaking to Judge Jeanine Pirro on Fox News' Justice with Judge Jeanine, Stein also shed new light on the graphic photographs that authorities found on Giordano's camera, showing the missing Maryland woman in various sexual positions.

"I'm told there is no sign of duress at all (in the images)," General Stein told Judge Pirro.

One law enforcement source had described the images as "beyond pornographic," though General Stein stopped short of that description.

He said, "Those photos were explicit. That's all I have said and that is all I am going to say. I have not seen the pictures myself."

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« Reply #879 on: August 21, 2011, 01:51:08 PM »


Natalee

Ribbit!
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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