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« Reply #820 on: May 03, 2011, 09:22:25 PM »

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May 3rd,2011


WILLIAMSON CO., Tenn. – Three dozen Williamson County deputies spent time on Saturday volunteering for the search of a missing west Tennessee student.

The 36 deputies assisted the Decatur and Henderson County Sheriff's Office, as well as the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the search for Holly Bobo who was last seen on April 13.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14566653/williamson-co-deputies-assist-with-holly-bobo-search

Well...it is interesting...that LE is doing the searches now and "not volunteer searchers".



Why?

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« Reply #821 on: May 03, 2011, 09:48:01 PM »

This article was interesting and also scary..Long Article

Some of the big city crimes that have made their way to Decatur and surrounding counties

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Sex offender charged with stalking in Jackson

On April 6 at around 6 p.m., a 19-year-old Jackson woman was reportedly shopping at a local mall when she was approached by a stranger who told her how attractive she was. He followed her in and out of several stores.


Attempted kidnapping in Dickson

On April 7 another young woman reported that a man attempted to abduct her near the intersection of College and North Charlotte streets in downtown Dickson, according to Dickson Police Department Detective Jimmy Lyell.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-big-city-crime-comes-to-small-tight-knit-community-safety-tips

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« Reply #822 on: May 03, 2011, 09:48:23 PM »

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May 3rd,2011


WILLIAMSON CO., Tenn. – Three dozen Williamson County deputies spent time on Saturday volunteering for the search of a missing west Tennessee student.

The 36 deputies assisted the Decatur and Henderson County Sheriff's Office, as well as the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the search for Holly Bobo who was last seen on April 13.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14566653/williamson-co-deputies-assist-with-holly-bobo-search

Well...it is interesting...that LE is doing the searches now and "not volunteer searchers".



Why?



I've been wondering why too...a few thoughts on the subject:

...Since LE has made statements that the abductor is likely a community member, there are fears that the abductor, family or friends were actively involved in the searches and privy to information.

...LE has narrowed the search, based on evidence they already have and in order to avoid compromising the case have limited searching to LE personnel only to build their case.

...A combination of community members, outside volunteers and LE is a hornet's nest for rumors and gossip that may harm an ongoing investigation.
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« Reply #823 on: May 03, 2011, 09:57:52 PM »

This article was interesting and also scary..Long Article

Some of the big city crimes that have made their way to Decatur and surrounding counties

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Sex offender charged with stalking in Jackson

On April 6 at around 6 p.m., a 19-year-old Jackson woman was reportedly shopping at a local mall when she was approached by a stranger who told her how attractive she was. He followed her in and out of several stores.


Attempted kidnapping in Dickson

On April 7 another young woman reported that a man attempted to abduct her near the intersection of College and North Charlotte streets in downtown Dickson, according to Dickson Police Department Detective Jimmy Lyell.

http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-big-city-crime-comes-to-small-tight-knit-community-safety-tips


Thanks NJ. It is a good and informative article. It is a must read, IMO. One of the many things that stuck out were
this:
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The volunteer said that's exactly what he would have expected, too. "I expected to see a little white church with a very high steeple on every corner," he said.

Instead, he said when he took the exit off I-40 at Hwy 69 the first building he observed was a pornography toy and stip club shop - somewhat of a sex emporium in a building that reminded him of a big fireworks warehouse.

He said he saw about 200 cars in the parking lot - this was just before noon on a Saturday morning. A short drive from there was the University of Tennessee Martin Nursing satelite school that Holly Bobo attended.

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According to volunteers searching for Holly Bobo law enforcement located and busted a number of meth labs they found in the woods of Decatur and surrounding counties while searching for Holly.

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« Reply #824 on: May 03, 2011, 10:02:52 PM »

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WILLIAMSON CO., Tenn. – Three dozen Williamson County deputies spent time on Saturday volunteering for the search of a missing west Tennessee student.

The 36 deputies assisted the Decatur and Henderson County Sheriff's Office, as well as the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the search for Holly Bobo who was last seen on April 13.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14566653/williamson-co-deputies-assist-with-holly-bobo-search

Well...it is interesting...that LE is doing the searches now and "not volunteer searchers".



Why?


I would venture that this may very well be drug related. Perhaps LE fears a volunteer could be killed/harmed if they were to come across another meth lab as stated in the article NJ brought over. Would the county or state be liable if a volunteer was harmed while searching? I am not sure what rights that volunteer would have. Does anyone know?

(http://www.examiner.com/missing-persons-in-national/holly-bobo-big-city-crime-comes-to-small-tight-knit-community-safety-tips )
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« Reply #825 on: May 03, 2011, 10:03:45 PM »

 
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found an interesting link for the sleuths out there that I do not think had previously been posted. It is a property records search that allows you to search by last name and it shows property lines.
http://www.assessment.state.tn.us/SelectCounty.asp?map=true&SelectCounty=001

cartfly TY, seems this new info of properties,makes things a little
more complicated, or not,depends on if the owners of the property that
surrounds, the bobo home allows hunting, on his/her property, and if
he/she, does or does not allow hunting,would clint know that info
for the locals here,is it common practice,to allow hunting on your property
and  do people hunt with or with out owner permission, and do people
normally just walk on others property,like as a shortcut,ect.
and in the jpg of bobo house,im wondering if holly was led across the drive
between those 2 big trees, or farther down the drive is where clint seen holly

bobo-TN GIS property assessment/map
http://tnmap.state.tn.us/assessment/map.aspx?GISLink=020041++++00400

overhead video shots of bobo home
http://www.woodtv.com/dpps/news/national/south/missing-tenn-woman-may-have-been-abducted-nt11-jgr_3773903
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« Reply #826 on: May 03, 2011, 10:03:54 PM »

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May 3rd,2011


WILLIAMSON CO., Tenn. – Three dozen Williamson County deputies spent time on Saturday volunteering for the search of a missing west Tennessee student.

The 36 deputies assisted the Decatur and Henderson County Sheriff's Office, as well as the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the search for Holly Bobo who was last seen on April 13.

http://www.wkrn.com/story/14566653/williamson-co-deputies-assist-with-holly-bobo-search

Well...it is interesting...that LE is doing the searches now and "not volunteer searchers".



Why?



I've been wondering why too...a few thoughts on the subject:

...Since LE has made statements that the abductor is likely a community member, there are fears that the abductor, family or friends were actively involved in the searches and privy to information.

...LE has narrowed the search, based on evidence they already have and in order to avoid compromising the case have limited searching to LE personnel only to build their case.

...A combination of community members, outside volunteers and LE is a hornet's nest for rumors and gossip that may harm an ongoing investigation.

Thank you Samarie.

I tend to agree with #2.  Could it be that investigators may be zeroing in on specific evidence gleaned from a potential suspect in the Holly Bobo case.

The outcome will be what the outcome will be.

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« Reply #827 on: May 03, 2011, 10:06:20 PM »

Sorry, I meant JerseyGirl not NJ's link above to the examiner article.
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« Reply #828 on: May 03, 2011, 10:16:22 PM »

Hi CW618! Did you see that you can also just put in the street name and every owner comes up along that road? I browsed around but didn't have allot of time to research all of it.
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« Reply #829 on: May 03, 2011, 10:26:04 PM »

Hi CW618! Did you see that you can also just put in the street name and every owner comes up along that road? I browsed around but didn't have allot of time to research all of it.

yes and thanks for that link
i didnt want to post their names though,i just noticed there looks like a trail in the back of the bobo property
and thats a lot of land that surrounds the bobo home,wonder if it has been searched

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« Reply #830 on: May 03, 2011, 10:50:35 PM »

You're welcome CW. I agree, the names do not need to be posted at this point. It does look like some sort of trail or perhaps a ravine of sorts? I agree that this is allot of land to search. I can imagine this search has been quite daunting for LE and volunteers considering how rural this area is. Thanks for bringing the maps over also.
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« Reply #831 on: May 03, 2011, 10:58:40 PM »

Hi CW618! Did you see that you can also just put in the street name and every owner comes up along that road? I browsed around but didn't have allot of time to research all of it.

yes and thanks for that link
i didnt want to post their names though,i just noticed there looks like a trail in the back of the bobo property
and thats a lot of land that surrounds the bobo home,wonder if it has been searched


According to Sheriff Wyatts on the day that Holly Bobo went missing ... a "five mile square radius" was immediately searched.

Janet

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Authorities: 20-Year-Old Woman May Have Been Abducted
Posted: Apr 13, 2011 9:38 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 13, 2011 7:33 PM PDT


DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. - A massive search is underway for a missing Decatur County woman. Investigators believe 20-year-old Holly Bobo was abducted from her home on Wednesday morning.

Investigators said it happened on Swan Johnson Road in Darden around 7:30 a.m. Her brother told police that a man wearing camouflage grabbed the young woman, dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods.

Authorities said Holly Bobo was on her way to school. She is a student at the UT Martin campus.

Authorities are now searching the area. The sheriff said they've been searching a five mile square radius on the ground and by air, but have yet to come up with anything.

Hundreds of people from the community have come out to help in the effort. 

Volunteers have been out on horseback, on four wheelers, even on foot doing all they can to find this young woman.

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http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14438754/authorities-20-year-old-woman-may-have-been-abducted?clienttype=printable


JS Video: Sheriff Wyatt - Kidnapping

Sheriff Wyatt talks about the search for Holly Bobo on April 13, 2011. Bobo was kidnapped from her home as she left for school that morning.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/VideoNetwork/903287890001/JS-Video-Sheriff-Wyatt-Kidnapping
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« Reply #832 on: May 03, 2011, 11:13:29 PM »

not sure if this has been posted

Holly Bobo's Family Wants Property Searches
Family Pleading For People To Search Their Own Land

POSTED: 1:28 pm CDT May 3, 2011
UPDATED: 2:19 pm CDT May 3, 2011
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- The family of a missing nursing student who police believe was abducted by a man dressed in camouflage is pleading with people to search their property in an effort to find her.
The family released the plea in a statement sent to the media Tuesday, nearly three weeks after Holly Bobo's April 13 disappearance.
"Please continue to pray for Holly's safe return," the statement said. "Keep your eyes and ears open, and search your own property."
more
http://www.wsmv.com/news/27761698/detail.html
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« Reply #833 on: May 03, 2011, 11:38:34 PM »

now it is full hunting camouflage attire, what does that mean full camouflage attire
is that more that a coat and pants

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The TBI has said that Bobo's 25-year-old brother, Clint Bobo, told authorities that he saw his sister being led away into the woods outside the family home by a man dressed in full hunting camouflage attire. The brother, according to police, initially thought the man with his sister was her boyfriend.
The brother called 911 after going outside and seeing a small amount of blood.
http://www.wsmv.com/news/27761698/detail.html
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« Reply #834 on: May 03, 2011, 11:53:24 PM »

Hi CW618! Did you see that you can also just put in the street name and every owner comes up along that road? I browsed around but didn't have allot of time to research all of it.

yes and thanks for that link
i didnt want to post their names though,i just noticed there looks like a trail in the back of the bobo property
and thats a lot of land that surrounds the bobo home,wonder if it has been searched


According to Sheriff Wyatts on the day that Holly Bobo went missing ... a "five mile square radius" was immediately searched.

Janet

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Authorities: 20-Year-Old Woman May Have Been Abducted
Posted: Apr 13, 2011 9:38 AM PDT
Updated: Apr 13, 2011 7:33 PM PDT


DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. - A massive search is underway for a missing Decatur County woman. Investigators believe 20-year-old Holly Bobo was abducted from her home on Wednesday morning.

Investigators said it happened on Swan Johnson Road in Darden around 7:30 a.m. Her brother told police that a man wearing camouflage grabbed the young woman, dragged her across her carport and pulled her into some nearby woods.

Authorities said Holly Bobo was on her way to school. She is a student at the UT Martin campus.

Authorities are now searching the area. The sheriff said they've been searching a five mile square radius on the ground and by air, but have yet to come up with anything.

Hundreds of people from the community have come out to help in the effort. 

Volunteers have been out on horseback, on four wheelers, even on foot doing all they can to find this young woman.

<snipped>

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/14438754/authorities-20-year-old-woman-may-have-been-abducted?clienttype=printable


JS Video: Sheriff Wyatt - Kidnapping

Sheriff Wyatt talks about the search for Holly Bobo on April 13, 2011. Bobo was kidnapped from her home as she left for school that morning.

http://www.jacksonsun.com/VideoNetwork/903287890001/JS-Video-Sheriff-Wyatt-Kidnapping

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« Reply #835 on: May 04, 2011, 12:23:47 AM »

I am in touch with several insiders to this case, and that would include family.

Clint and Drew are absolutely never going to be POI in this case, and while I appreciate folks thinking outside of the box, and it is important to evaluate all angles, so is evaluating where the evidence leads even if it conflicts with an early theory.

Again respectfully, wouldn't one have to actually speak publicly twice to determine if in fact any statements changed?

Anything else would be subjective opinions based on someone else's interpretation

Puzzler

Both Blink and Capp have taken a firm position that implies Drew and Clint are not involved in wrongdoing encompassing the disappearance of Holly and ... the implication is that they are in the know.

I have documented (over and over again) that Clint's changing stories revealed by TBI investigators causes me to speculate that the abduction of Holly never happened.  In other words ... the possibility of Drew's involvement is a non-issue.

However ... for now ... I am giving Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt that inside information they claim to possess directs suspicion away from Holly's brother and boyfriend.

Janet



Janet,

I've always given both Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt and was appreciative of Capp answering my question (see Reply 781 - last sentence) and informing us that she has gotten off-the record official word that Holly's brother and boyfriend are not and will not be under LE's radar.

We know Blink and Capp....it's just every now and then you want a little more "solid" confirmation (after being told so many times that they can't tell us x,y,z).  I understand confidentiality issues.

I understand when someone says they can't give further details. 

I also understand that one doesn't have to disclose details and too much information, while at the same time telling something definate: i.e., Capp - said "yes", she got official information off-the-record.  That's all I need to know...I don't need to know further details and certainly don't want Capp to get into any trouble.

Again...thank you, Capp, for giving us something "solid" to accept.

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Puzzler

I respectfully disagree my friend.

If LE can share with those outside the investigation that Clint and Drew continue to be ruled out as persons of interest in the Holly Bobo case and ... the focus of suspicion is directed elsewhere ... then LE can call a press conference and share this revelation rather than outright lying to the public.

It is all so unprofessional.

IMO

Janet

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Someone read this post & suggested that I come read it after wanting to relax with my screaming aching back.   Law Enforcement is not "lying" to the public per se, they are just not sharing everything regarding the investigation to the masses.  It is not uncommon that certain individuals for reasons that should be obvious are privy to a bit more, but not always- nor everything   Now, if "Penelope Poster" with no credentials or inside information puts something out that cannot nor will be confirmed at a later date, that's different.  There are reasons a few individuals get information by inside sources & judging by what we witness every day the public wouldn't know half of what is going on in the world without it.  Would individuals rather not get any information other than what is printed?    There is so much more to a case than what is made in a statement or printed in an article, so much more, all of it done strategically.  Yea, some of it can actually legally be misleading or flat out untrue, again a tactical decision for specific reasons if and when that transpires.   In fact, as discussed previously on this forum there are tactical reasons why some things are actually stated which the public may never know why.  The public has no right to know all the details during an active criminal investigation, it is what it is.  It is NOT unprofessional by any stretch of the imagination, it happens every dang day in thousands, no make that millions of cases.  The first and foremost goal is to find a missing person and/or catch a criminal.  Trust me, I've joined all of you on certain cases waiting, feeling anxious & looking forward to answers, the future holds a combination of both.  There have been a few occasions where we've all witnessed very shoddy police work but this case is not one of them.  I cannot even begin to tell you how many investigations I've observed, court cases I heard gavel to gavel, hearings I sat in on as an advocate, it exists occasionally & if I felt that was evident here knowing me I'd express that opinion.  I wish you all could have seen it firsthand in action, but I left Decatur County impressed & grateful.   

Here you all have the advantage of two individuals in particular that most of you've known for years sharing what they can.   Each of us concur that Holly's brother and boyfriend will not become suspects in this case.  I'll speak for myself, ethically I've shared what I could but by no means was it anticipated that it would turn into criticism of this multi-leveled LE investigation.   As far as I continue to see, most cases should be half as fortunate to have the team assembled working diligently in this case.

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« Reply #836 on: May 04, 2011, 01:17:40 AM »

I am in touch with several insiders to this case, and that would include family.

Clint and Drew are absolutely never going to be POI in this case, and while I appreciate folks thinking outside of the box, and it is important to evaluate all angles, so is evaluating where the evidence leads even if it conflicts with an early theory.

Again respectfully, wouldn't one have to actually speak publicly twice to determine if in fact any statements changed?

Anything else would be subjective opinions based on someone else's interpretation

Puzzler

Both Blink and Capp have taken a firm position that implies Drew and Clint are not involved in wrongdoing encompassing the disappearance of Holly and ... the implication is that they are in the know.

I have documented (over and over again) that Clint's changing stories revealed by TBI investigators causes me to speculate that the abduction of Holly never happened.  In other words ... the possibility of Drew's involvement is a non-issue.

However ... for now ... I am giving Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt that inside information they claim to possess directs suspicion away from Holly's brother and boyfriend.

Janet



Janet,

I've always given both Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt and was appreciative of Capp answering my question (see Reply 781 - last sentence) and informing us that she has gotten off-the record official word that Holly's brother and boyfriend are not and will not be under LE's radar.

We know Blink and Capp....it's just every now and then you want a little more "solid" confirmation (after being told so many times that they can't tell us x,y,z).  I understand confidentiality issues.

I understand when someone says they can't give further details. 

I also understand that one doesn't have to disclose details and too much information, while at the same time telling something definate: i.e., Capp - said "yes", she got official information off-the-record.  That's all I need to know...I don't need to know further details and certainly don't want Capp to get into any trouble.

Again...thank you, Capp, for giving us something "solid" to accept.

Puzzler


Puzzler

I respectfully disagree my friend.

If LE can share with those outside the investigation that Clint and Drew continue to be ruled out as persons of interest in the Holly Bobo case and ... the focus of suspicion is directed elsewhere ... then LE can call a press conference and share this revelation rather than outright lying to the public.

It is all so unprofessional.

IMO

Janet

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Someone read this post & suggested that I come read it after wanting to relax with my screaming aching back.   Law Enforcement is not "lying" to the public per se, they are just not sharing everything regarding the investigation to the masses.  It is not uncommon that certain individuals for reasons that should be obvious are privy to a bit more, but not always- nor everything   Now, if "Penelope Poster" with no credentials or inside information puts something out that cannot nor will be confirmed at a later date, that's different.  There are reasons a few individuals get information by inside sources & judging by what we witness every day the public wouldn't know half of what is going on in the world without it.  Would individuals rather not get any information other than what is printed?    There is so much more to a case than what is made in a statement or printed in an article, so much more, all of it done strategically.  Yea, some of it can actually legally be misleading or flat out untrue, again a tactical decision for specific reasons if and when that transpires.   In fact, as discussed previously on this forum there are tactical reasons why some things are actually stated which the public may never know why.  The public has no right to know all the details during an active criminal investigation, it is what it is.  It is NOT unprofessional by any stretch of the imagination, it happens every dang day in thousands, no make that millions of cases.  The first and foremost goal is to find a missing person and/or catch a criminal.  Trust me, I've joined all of you on certain cases waiting, feeling anxious & looking forward to answers, the future holds a combination of both.  There have been a few occasions where we've all witnessed very shoddy police work but this case is not one of them.  I cannot even begin to tell you how many investigations I've observed, court cases I heard gavel to gavel, hearings I sat in on as an advocate, it exists occasionally & if I felt that was evident here knowing me I'd express that opinion.  I wish you all could have seen it firsthand in action, but I left Decatur County impressed & grateful.   

Here you all have the advantage of two individuals in particular that most of you've known for years sharing what they can.   Each of us concur that Holly's brother and boyfriend will not become suspects in this case.  I'll speak for myself, ethically I've shared what I could but by no means was it anticipated that it would turn into criticism of this multi-leveled LE investigation.   As far as I continue to see, most cases should be half as fortunate to have the team assembled working diligently in this case.

Good night

Capp,

I guess what is curious to me, is that LE specifically RETRACTED their statement that persons had been clear.  Now, I think they have known from the beginning who the guilty party is....and their statement was most likely strategic.....

That said, do your sources know that you are coming on message forums and strongly insisting that some people have been cleared? 

I have been involved with high profile cases in the past, both personally and professionally, and never would I consider posting tid bits of this or that on a community forum.

If we are to discuss the case based on what is in the public forum, that naturally it will not be in sync with what is known by those involved with the investigation, but it seems the professional thing to do is not contradict what LE has put out there.

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« Reply #837 on: May 04, 2011, 01:35:48 AM »

I am in touch with several insiders to this case, and that would include family.

Clint and Drew are absolutely never going to be POI in this case, and while I appreciate folks thinking outside of the box, and it is important to evaluate all angles, so is evaluating where the evidence leads even if it conflicts with an early theory.

Again respectfully, wouldn't one have to actually speak publicly twice to determine if in fact any statements changed?

Anything else would be subjective opinions based on someone else's interpretation

Puzzler

Both Blink and Capp have taken a firm position that implies Drew and Clint are not involved in wrongdoing encompassing the disappearance of Holly and ... the implication is that they are in the know.

I have documented (over and over again) that Clint's changing stories revealed by TBI investigators causes me to speculate that the abduction of Holly never happened.  In other words ... the possibility of Drew's involvement is a non-issue.

However ... for now ... I am giving Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt that inside information they claim to possess directs suspicion away from Holly's brother and boyfriend.

Janet



Janet,

I've always given both Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt and was appreciative of Capp answering my question (see Reply 781 - last sentence) and informing us that she has gotten off-the record official word that Holly's brother and boyfriend are not and will not be under LE's radar.

We know Blink and Capp....it's just every now and then you want a little more "solid" confirmation (after being told so many times that they can't tell us x,y,z).  I understand confidentiality issues.

I understand when someone says they can't give further details.  

I also understand that one doesn't have to disclose details and too much information, while at the same time telling something definate: i.e., Capp - said "yes", she got official information off-the-record.  That's all I need to know...I don't need to know further details and certainly don't want Capp to get into any trouble.

Again...thank you, Capp, for giving us something "solid" to accept.

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I respectfully disagree my friend.

If LE can share with those outside the investigation that Clint and Drew continue to be ruled out as persons of interest in the Holly Bobo case and ... the focus of suspicion is directed elsewhere ... then LE can call a press conference and share this revelation rather than outright lying to the public.

It is all so unprofessional.

IMO

Janet

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Someone read this post & suggested that I come read it after wanting to relax with my screaming aching back.   Law Enforcement is not "lying" to the public per se, they are just not sharing everything regarding the investigation to the masses.  It is not uncommon that certain individuals for reasons that should be obvious are privy to a bit more, but not always- nor everything   Now, if "Penelope Poster" with no credentials or inside information puts something out that cannot nor will be confirmed at a later date, that's different.  There are reasons a few individuals get information by inside sources & judging by what we witness every day the public wouldn't know half of what is going on in the world without it.  Would individuals rather not get any information other than what is printed?    There is so much more to a case than what is made in a statement or printed in an article, so much more, all of it done strategically.  Yea, some of it can actually legally be misleading or flat out untrue, again a tactical decision for specific reasons if and when that transpires.   In fact, as discussed previously on this forum there are tactical reasons why some things are actually stated which the public may never know why.  The public has no right to know all the details during an active criminal investigation, it is what it is.  It is NOT unprofessional by any stretch of the imagination, it happens every dang day in thousands, no make that millions of cases.  The first and foremost goal is to find a missing person and/or catch a criminal.  Trust me, I've joined all of you on certain cases waiting, feeling anxious & looking forward to answers, the future holds a combination of both.  There have been a few occasions where we've all witnessed very shoddy police work but this case is not one of them.  I cannot even begin to tell you how many investigations I've observed, court cases I heard gavel to gavel, hearings I sat in on as an advocate, it exists occasionally & if I felt that was evident here knowing me I'd express that opinion.  I wish you all could have seen it firsthand in action, but I left Decatur County impressed & grateful.  

Here you all have the advantage of two individuals in particular that most of you've known for years sharing what they can.   Each of us concur that Holly's brother and boyfriend will not become suspects in this case.  I'll speak for myself, ethically I've shared what I could but by no means was it anticipated that it would turn into criticism of this multi-leveled LE investigation.   As far as I continue to see, most cases should be half as fortunate to have the team assembled working diligently in this case.

Good night

Someone told you....must be another LE secret.

"lying" I didn't see in the quote stack where any monkey accused LE or anyone else of lying.

Ya know, I'm sure there are many that read and post here that have served as crime advocates, have LE experience, have been involved in the  judicial system or are crime victims themselves and simply have an interest and a desire to help others by sharing their expertise and experiences.
In other words....you're not the only one who's opinion counts. And the only criticisms I see on a regular basis are ones in your posts. It seems as though if a poster isn't in full agreement with you, well, you unleash into some tirade....I think you have a lot of nerve referring to anyone "tone" on this board, given your own. Half the time I read your posts and they could easily be summed up as "nah, nah, nah, nah...I know something you don't know."

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« Reply #838 on: May 04, 2011, 01:48:05 AM »

I am in touch with several insiders to this case, and that would include family.

Clint and Drew are absolutely never going to be POI in this case, and while I appreciate folks thinking outside of the box, and it is important to evaluate all angles, so is evaluating where the evidence leads even if it conflicts with an early theory.

Again respectfully, wouldn't one have to actually speak publicly twice to determine if in fact any statements changed?

Anything else would be subjective opinions based on someone else's interpretation

Puzzler

Both Blink and Capp have taken a firm position that implies Drew and Clint are not involved in wrongdoing encompassing the disappearance of Holly and ... the implication is that they are in the know.

I have documented (over and over again) that Clint's changing stories revealed by TBI investigators causes me to speculate that the abduction of Holly never happened.  In other words ... the possibility of Drew's involvement is a non-issue.

However ... for now ... I am giving Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt that inside information they claim to possess directs suspicion away from Holly's brother and boyfriend.

Janet



Janet,

I've always given both Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt and was appreciative of Capp answering my question (see Reply 781 - last sentence) and informing us that she has gotten off-the record official word that Holly's brother and boyfriend are not and will not be under LE's radar.

We know Blink and Capp....it's just every now and then you want a little more "solid" confirmation (after being told so many times that they can't tell us x,y,z).  I understand confidentiality issues.

I understand when someone says they can't give further details. 

I also understand that one doesn't have to disclose details and too much information, while at the same time telling something definate: i.e., Capp - said "yes", she got official information off-the-record.  That's all I need to know...I don't need to know further details and certainly don't want Capp to get into any trouble.

Again...thank you, Capp, for giving us something "solid" to accept.

Puzzler


Puzzler

I respectfully disagree my friend.

If LE can share with those outside the investigation that Clint and Drew continue to be ruled out as persons of interest in the Holly Bobo case and ... the focus of suspicion is directed elsewhere ... then LE can call a press conference and share this revelation rather than outright lying to the public.

It is all so unprofessional.

IMO

Janet

++++++


Someone read this post & suggested that I come read it after wanting to relax with my screaming aching back.   Law Enforcement is not "lying" to the public per se, they are just not sharing everything regarding the investigation to the masses.  It is not uncommon that certain individuals for reasons that should be obvious are privy to a bit more, but not always- nor everything   Now, if "Penelope Poster" with no credentials or inside information puts something out that cannot nor will be confirmed at a later date, that's different.  There are reasons a few individuals get information by inside sources & judging by what we witness every day the public wouldn't know half of what is going on in the world without it.  Would individuals rather not get any information other than what is printed?    There is so much more to a case than what is made in a statement or printed in an article, so much more, all of it done strategically.  Yea, some of it can actually legally be misleading or flat out untrue, again a tactical decision for specific reasons if and when that transpires.   In fact, as discussed previously on this forum there are tactical reasons why some things are actually stated which the public may never know why.  The public has no right to know all the details during an active criminal investigation, it is what it is.  It is NOT unprofessional by any stretch of the imagination, it happens every dang day in thousands, no make that millions of cases.  The first and foremost goal is to find a missing person and/or catch a criminal.  Trust me, I've joined all of you on certain cases waiting, feeling anxious & looking forward to answers, the future holds a combination of both.  There have been a few occasions where we've all witnessed very shoddy police work but this case is not one of them.  I cannot even begin to tell you how many investigations I've observed, court cases I heard gavel to gavel, hearings I sat in on as an advocate, it exists occasionally & if I felt that was evident here knowing me I'd express that opinion.  I wish you all could have seen it firsthand in action, but I left Decatur County impressed & grateful.   

Here you all have the advantage of two individuals in particular that most of you've known for years sharing what they can.   Each of us concur that Holly's brother and boyfriend will not become suspects in this case.  I'll speak for myself, ethically I've shared what I could but by no means was it anticipated that it would turn into criticism of this multi-leveled LE investigation.   As far as I continue to see, most cases should be half as fortunate to have the team assembled working diligently in this case.

Good night

Someone told you....must be another LE secret.

"lying" I didn't see in the quote stack where any monkey accused LE or anyone else of lying.

Ya know, I'm sure there are many that read and post here that have served as crime advocates, have LE experience, have been involved in the  judicial system or are crime victims themselves and simply have an interest and a desire to help others by sharing their expertise and experiences.
In other words....you're not the only one who's opinion counts. And the only criticisms I see on a regular basis are ones in your posts. It seems as though if a poster isn't in full agreement with you, well, you unleash into some tirade....I think you have a lot of nerve referring to anyone "tone" on this board, given your own. Half the time I read your posts and they could easily be summed up as "nah, nah, nah, nah...I know something you don't know."

So here's a thought...take all your furbabies, your screaming back and pain meds into your tornado shelter, might want to grab those expensive fabulous black sequin heels...in case you get hungry, respectfully..of course.

Just sign me......
"Penelope Poster"


I am in touch with several insiders to this case, and that would include family.

Clint and Drew are absolutely never going to be POI in this case, and while I appreciate folks thinking outside of the box, and it is important to evaluate all angles, so is evaluating where the evidence leads even if it conflicts with an early theory.

Again respectfully, wouldn't one have to actually speak publicly twice to determine if in fact any statements changed?

Anything else would be subjective opinions based on someone else's interpretation

Puzzler

Both Blink and Capp have taken a firm position that implies Drew and Clint are not involved in wrongdoing encompassing the disappearance of Holly and ... the implication is that they are in the know.

I have documented (over and over again) that Clint's changing stories revealed by TBI investigators causes me to speculate that the abduction of Holly never happened.  In other words ... the possibility of Drew's involvement is a non-issue.

However ... for now ... I am giving Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt that inside information they claim to possess directs suspicion away from Holly's brother and boyfriend.

Janet



Janet,

I've always given both Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt and was appreciative of Capp answering my question (see Reply 781 - last sentence) and informing us that she has gotten off-the record official word that Holly's brother and boyfriend are not and will not be under LE's radar.

We know Blink and Capp....it's just every now and then you want a little more "solid" confirmation (after being told so many times that they can't tell us x,y,z).  I understand confidentiality issues.

I understand when someone says they can't give further details. 

I also understand that one doesn't have to disclose details and too much information, while at the same time telling something definate: i.e., Capp - said "yes", she got official information off-the-record.  That's all I need to know...I don't need to know further details and certainly don't want Capp to get into any trouble.

Again...thank you, Capp, for giving us something "solid" to accept.

Puzzler


Puzzler

I respectfully disagree my friend.

If LE can share with those outside the investigation that Clint and Drew continue to be ruled out as persons of interest in the Holly Bobo case and ... the focus of suspicion is directed elsewhere ... then LE can call a press conference and share this revelation rather than outright lying to the public.

It is all so unprofessional.

IMO

Janet

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« Reply #839 on: May 04, 2011, 01:49:46 AM »

I am in touch with several insiders to this case, and that would include family.

Clint and Drew are absolutely never going to be POI in this case, and while I appreciate folks thinking outside of the box, and it is important to evaluate all angles, so is evaluating where the evidence leads even if it conflicts with an early theory.

Again respectfully, wouldn't one have to actually speak publicly twice to determine if in fact any statements changed?

Anything else would be subjective opinions based on someone else's interpretation

Puzzler

Both Blink and Capp have taken a firm position that implies Drew and Clint are not involved in wrongdoing encompassing the disappearance of Holly and ... the implication is that they are in the know.

I have documented (over and over again) that Clint's changing stories revealed by TBI investigators causes me to speculate that the abduction of Holly never happened.  In other words ... the possibility of Drew's involvement is a non-issue.

However ... for now ... I am giving Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt that inside information they claim to possess directs suspicion away from Holly's brother and boyfriend.

Janet



Janet,

I've always given both Blink and Capp the benefit of the doubt and was appreciative of Capp answering my question (see Reply 781 - last sentence) and informing us that she has gotten off-the record official word that Holly's brother and boyfriend are not and will not be under LE's radar.

We know Blink and Capp....it's just every now and then you want a little more "solid" confirmation (after being told so many times that they can't tell us x,y,z).  I understand confidentiality issues.

I understand when someone says they can't give further details. 

I also understand that one doesn't have to disclose details and too much information, while at the same time telling something definate: i.e., Capp - said "yes", she got official information off-the-record.  That's all I need to know...I don't need to know further details and certainly don't want Capp to get into any trouble.

Again...thank you, Capp, for giving us something "solid" to accept.

Puzzler


Puzzler

I respectfully disagree my friend.

If LE can share with those outside the investigation that Clint and Drew continue to be ruled out as persons of interest in the Holly Bobo case and ... the focus of suspicion is directed elsewhere ... then LE can call a press conference and share this revelation rather than outright lying to the public.

It is all so unprofessional.

IMO

Janet

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TBI Director Mark Gwyn

Official: No one cleared in woman’s abduction
Posted: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 9:05 pm
SHEILA BURKE
Associated Press


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Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Director Mark Gwyn asked the public for help Monday, urging them to think about any strange behavior from people they know since Bobo disappeared on Wednesday.

Law enforcement officials said last week that Bobo’s brother and boyfriend were not suspects but Gwyn told The Associated Press that the TBI hasn’t cleared anyone, “no matter what their relationship” is to the victim.

Bobo’s brother told police that he saw his sister being led into the woods by a man dressed in camouflage. He called police after seeing blood outside the family home near Parsons.

http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=55103

http://www.wtva.com/mostpopular/story/Official-No-one-cleared-in-TN-womans-abduction/cvl-3cGqqEu2Rc3bFGzm8w.cspx



Janet,

I hear you. 

I accept that Capp has been told information by LE off the record.

That LE would do that, tell information off the record that they won't share with the public is a "different thing" IMO.
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