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Author Topic: Caylee Marie Anthony - MURDER TRIAL - DAY 1 - 5/24/2011  (Read 499335 times)
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« Reply #2740 on: May 24, 2011, 06:29:58 PM »

I think it wld have been a more believable story if Casey had said that caylee drowned later in the day and she panicked.  Why put George there?  They are trying to explain everything and they simply can't without making it sound as ridiculous as it does.

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« Reply #2741 on: May 24, 2011, 06:35:27 PM »

Will the state get to mention the deal she turned down that would have acknowledged it was an accident?
NO -- plea bargains can NEVER be mentioned at trial.
Okay if plea bargains can't be brought in, can they talk about when Yuri brought up if it was an accident??? TIA JSM 
I'm not sure I am following you, but the Prosecution CAN bring up anything Casey told them during questioning as long as she was read her rights first.
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« Reply #2742 on: May 24, 2011, 06:36:10 PM »

Premeditation: Casey knew she had to get rid of Caylee because Caylee would eventually talk more coherently and bust her lies, so she looked up possible methods to kill her, and possibly kill her selfish parents (who wouldn't just go away and let her have the house and their money).
Motive: Also included above. However, things got sped up a little when Cindy got on her case about stealing money from her grandparents on June 15th. Might as well do it now. This way, she can also make Cindy feel guilty and sorry for daring to question her. "What has been given, can be taken away."
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« Reply #2743 on: May 24, 2011, 06:36:11 PM »

You know someone else mentioned this to and I'm sorry I don't remember who but it is obnoxious to think about the defense is now saying caylee drowned when early on they told everyone they were looking for a live caylee.  It is so obvious they are going along with Casey lies and just like the states opening, when Casey is painted in a corner her lies get bigger.

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« Reply #2744 on: May 24, 2011, 06:37:10 PM »

I think after Bozo's blockbuster.. he self destructed. He is a hot mess 
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« Reply #2745 on: May 24, 2011, 06:38:28 PM »

I think it wld have been a more believable story if Casey had said that caylee drowned later in the day and she panicked.  Why put George there?  They are trying to explain everything and they simply can't without making it sound as ridiculous as it does.

Agreed!


I think the defense put George there to address the problem of why KC went 31 days telling a variety of lies about Caylee's whereabouts. Bozo made the case that George's sexual abuse caused KC to be nuts and a liar, etc. so why not further villanize George in the cover up of Caylee's death hoping that one villanous act by George bolsters the other.

The problem is that neither incident is true! The whole thing is ridiculous, IMO.
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« Reply #2746 on: May 24, 2011, 06:41:53 PM »

I'm starting to think that the defense should have stuck with the zany the nanny story.  It is more believable to me than a meter reader kept a dead Childs body in hopes of making money off it. 
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« Reply #2747 on: May 24, 2011, 06:42:05 PM »

KC wouldn't take a plea, probably because it involved her giving up the location of the body. An intact body and soft tissue would have evidence determing a COD...then there could be no "accident" defense...Plain and simple KC killed Caylee!


Didn't they already have the body?
IIRC the plea deal was offered when KC was arrested (the 2nd time) and charged with murder in Oct 2008, 4 months after Caylee went "missing," and 2 months before her body was discovered on Suburban.
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« Reply #2748 on: May 24, 2011, 06:42:40 PM »

Just for fun...I wonder, where is Joy Wray?  (Someone mentioned being Baker Acted, and she immediately sprang to mind>)
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« Reply #2749 on: May 24, 2011, 06:42:50 PM »

In order to consider the theory that Caylee drowned in the pool- she had to be:

Be unattended.

Be far enough away where sounds couldn't reach an alert adult.

Be able to get out of the house and into the yard.

Be able to get into the pool (ladder).

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« Reply #2750 on: May 24, 2011, 06:42:59 PM »

Where does this latest "bombshell" leave Cindy's belief that Caylee is still alive and that she and Casey and Caylee will live happily ever after when the truth comes out?
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« Reply #2751 on: May 24, 2011, 06:44:22 PM »

KC wouldn't take a plea, probably because it involved her giving up the location of the body. An intact body and soft tissue would have evidence determing a COD...then there could be no "accident" defense...Plain and simple KC killed Caylee!


Didn't they already have the body?
IIRC the plea deal was offered when KC was arrested (the 2nd time) and charged with murder in Oct 2008, 4 months after Caylee went "missing," and 2 months before her body was discovered on Suburban.

Interesting, the longer they all waited, the less real evidence would be found.  I think Casey is truly demonic...
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« Reply #2752 on: May 24, 2011, 06:44:51 PM »

I'm starting to think that the defense should have stuck with the zany the nanny story.  It is more believable to me than a meter reader kept a dead Childs body in hopes of making money off it. 

No kidding even my hubby who hasn't followed this before today said Baez wasn't make sense! So how people are praising him, I don't know.
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« Reply #2753 on: May 24, 2011, 06:45:02 PM »

I'm starting to think that the defense should have stuck with the zany the nanny story.  It is more believable to me than a meter reader kept a dead Childs body in hopes of making money off it. 

What is the alleged connection between Kronk and George (or Casey) Anthony prior to recieving Caylee for disposal?
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« Reply #2754 on: May 24, 2011, 06:46:09 PM »

I heard, read that Kronk is not on the witness list. JVM, last Friday night...  Wientruab said it was a huge mistake by the State. Kronk's son is in the listing, his lawyer D. Evans is, but not Kronk. So, Baez can say what he wants and toss the dirt at Kronk, 'cause he can't refute it.
I have a headache from this story. There is a litte bit of the truth mixed in with Baez's version of events about the ANTS. This jury hasn't followed the case like we have, else they would have been sent home, who knows what they think.   
And the ANTS did act like they knew Caylee was dead long before she was found.
Accomplices in a cover up is my guess. Looking to solve their financial woes. Shilling for cash to find Caylee when they knew she was dead.   

I agree: they don't know all we monkeys do. But after seeing Baez questioning George, I feel better-unless he can pull it out of his a$$, err, hat...Caylee will gave justice.
After this today, please don't hunt me down and do away with me, I think she just might walk on this one. Oh, I don't believe that George did any such thing with Caylee's body, but
all the defense has to do is to create reasonable doubt. This is a low down and dirty trial.
Why isn't Kronk on anyone's witness lsiting ? The State didn't want Baez to be given a shot at him in the witness box, why ? 
I can change my mind after Baez guts Cindy open on the stand. Maybe.

I don't know where you're getting the info that Roy Kronk is not on the witness list.
He absolutely is a witness as he found Caylee's remains.


It was on JVM on Friday. Big discussion as to what a mistake it was on the State's part.
I don't have the current witness list handy, but it was discussed as if it was true and it was close to the trial. It will come up again and then I will have a link.


Oh no, never believe the JVM show!  She and NG are right up there with their bombshell junk that is absolutely untrue!
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« Reply #2755 on: May 24, 2011, 06:46:29 PM »

Will the state get to mention the deal she turned down that would have acknowledged it was an accident?
NO -- plea bargains can NEVER be mentioned at trial.
Okay if plea bargains can't be brought in, can they talk about when Yuri brought up if it was an accident??? TIA JSM 
I'm not sure I am following you, but the Prosecution CAN bring up anything Casey told them during questioning as long as she was read her rights first.
I think Yuri told her if it was an accident, they would understand. Just paraphrasing, as it was at the very begining when he was interviewing her. Sorry if I am not making sense. I do tend to ask questions that don't make much sense. 
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« Reply #2756 on: May 24, 2011, 06:46:39 PM »

Maybe today explains the defenses concern about the victim impact statements after Casey is convicted.  I'm thinking George may be more inclined to give one than I did before
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« Reply #2757 on: May 24, 2011, 06:47:03 PM »

In order to consider the theory that Caylee drowned in the pool- she had to be:

Be unattended.

Be far enough away where sounds couldn't reach an alert adult.

Be able to get out of the house and into the yard.

Be able to get into the pool (ladder).


I always thought the emphasis on "child-proof everything" in the house was, if you'll pardon the expression, overkill.  MOTY's generally do not leave their children unattended, but as I said earlier, if Jo Jo is brushing Caylee's teeth, taking her to the "facility," and giving her her breakfast, Casey wasn't doing her job.
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« Reply #2758 on: May 24, 2011, 06:47:20 PM »

I think it wld have been a more believable story if Casey had said that caylee drowned later in the day and she panicked.  Why put George there?  They are trying to explain everything and they simply can't without making it sound as ridiculous as it does.

Agreed!


I think the defense put George there to address the problem of why KC went 31 days telling a variety of lies about Caylee's whereabouts. Bozo made the case that George's sexual abuse caused KC to be nuts and a liar, etc. so why not further villanize George in the cover up of Caylee's death hoping that one villanous act by George bolsters the other.

The problem is that neither incident is true! The whole thing is ridiculous, IMO.

I still can't wrap my head around the incongruity of the argument that George was such a villain that he was willing to set up Casey for Caylee's murder, yet he helped her dispose of the body. Why help her at all? Why would he care if Cindy never spoke to Casey again? He talked her out of calling 911 and hid the body just so that he could see her get the death penalty? GMAB!
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« Reply #2759 on: May 24, 2011, 06:47:23 PM »

In order to consider the theory that Caylee drowned in the pool- she had to be:

Be unattended.

Be far enough away where sounds couldn't reach an alert adult.

Be able to get out of the house and into the yard.

Be able to get into the pool (ladder).


Which begs the question why you have to lie about it. The world would never have to know about the "seedy relationship" --only that a tragic accident happened. Unattended children drown in home pools every year (... and sadly, it is not uncommon at all)
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