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« Reply #220 on: October 23, 2012, 07:06:11 PM »

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DeDe Spicher's former boyfriend describes Terri Moulton Horman's friend as a "high-energy, dynamic" person who changed dramatically
Published: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 4:30 PM
Updated: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:15 PM


An ex-boyfriend of DeDe Spicher said he was stunned when he learned that investigators were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on the day Kyron Horman, 7, disappeared from Skyline School.

Jason Name Redacted, who has volunteered as a child's advocate in Multnomah County for more than a decade, said he dated Spicher for about 10 months, and they had even talked of marriage, but their relationship fell apart in early August 2009.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/dede_spichers_former_boyfriend.html
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« Reply #221 on: October 23, 2012, 07:14:11 PM »

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Police Bump Up Search for Kyron Horman
Harris Faulkner 9:48 am on August 9, 2010


Just got off the phone with Multnomah Sheriff’s Department and they confirmed a “tip” led them to bump up the search again for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Kinda knew that but, wanted to see if they would comment about reports that the “tip” came from family friend, DeDe Spicher. They wouldn’t tell me if that’s true. But, Spicher told a Grand Jury on Friday that she, another girlfriend and Kyron’s stepmom, Terri Horman, each bought an untraceable cell phone the day the little boy vanished. The cops wouldn’t tell me if they’re looking for those phones in the big renewed search. This case is intense. Where is that child?!

http://www.foxnewsinsider.com/2010/08/09/police-bump-up-search-for-kyron-horman/
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« Reply #222 on: October 23, 2012, 07:18:26 PM »


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Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM
Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM


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Spicher was a visible presence at the Horman house after Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, moved out and filed for divorce and a restraining order against Terri Horman in late June. She also was seen driving Terri Horman to and from her attorney's office in downtown Portland.

Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4. She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable. Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html
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« Reply #223 on: October 23, 2012, 07:23:33 PM »

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Subpoena Issued To Another Friend Of Terri Horman
POSTED: 12:37 pm PDT August 3, 2010
UPDATED: 5:06 pm PDT August 3, 2010


PORTLAND, Ore. -- Another friend of Terri Horman has been subpoenaed to testify before a grand jury this week as the investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance reached its 61st day.

Chelsea Aleshire, who identified herself as a close friend to Terri Horman, said she will appear in court Thursday. Aleshire spoke to Terri Horman on the day Kyron disappeared from Skyline School, but at the time they spoke, Aleshire was not aware that Kyron was missing, she said.

She has not spoken to Terri Horman since then, she said.

Aleshire is at least the second of Terri Horman's friends to have been subpoenaed. Eight days ago, DeDe Spicher appeared before the grand jury. Sources have said Spicher did not answer any questions. Kyron's birth parents, Kaine Horman and Desiree Young, have suggested she's not cooperating with the investigators.

The Oregonian newspaper reported this week that investigators have focused on Terri Horman's close circle of friends after learning one of them obtained new cell phones for her so she could avoid investigators' scrutiny.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24499150/detail.html
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« Reply #224 on: October 23, 2012, 08:12:49 PM »

I found it.  I'm on page 10 of 20.  Dear Lord.  The questions are telling... about what Desiree believes happened with her baby and about the flawed investigation.  LE did not subpoena or even ask for Dede's telephone or computer records even though she had unaccounted time that day.   

 

I know! How idiotic is that? WTH were they thinking, or rather not thinking of? This case has been screwed up from the very beginning. Shame on them.

Just to clarify- DeDe has no way of knowing, unless it was shared with her and verifiable proof was presented, what records were or were not subpoened or gained by LE.  She responded to the question asked of her, which was if she had ever given LE permission to access, or if she turned them over, etc.

I do not believe for 10 seconds that LE does not have her cell records, and I believe they duped her hard drives on any electronics if they were included in the subpoena to search her residence.  Her online account access would also be transparent to LE review if LE had a subpoena for it as well.

I am on record to say that this was a botched investigation unfortunately, but facts are facts..

Yes, good point.  She did answer the question asked of her.  I do think she would know if LE had subpoenaed her computer though, wouldn't she?  Not that this is what was asked.

Actually, they did ask her a question about knowledge of a search warrant though. If you look on page 11 of the PDF file, page 43 of the deposition, question # 9, the question was asked: " Q. Did the police give you any kind of a property receipt for any items they took from your home pursuant to a search warrant?

A. I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right."




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« Reply #225 on: October 23, 2012, 11:09:32 PM »

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Attorney: Spicher shared Terri Horman emails, texts with cops
Posted on July 26, 2010 at 11:09 AM
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However Spicher's attorney Chad Stavley said DeDe was gardening on the day Kyron disappeared and never left the area.
 
"She's getting asked questions, she's getting treated frankly, like she's a suspect, when she's not," he said.

Stavley also told NBC Dateline Monday that Spicher had been, and planned to keep, cooperating with investigators. He said that she had already shared text messages and emails sent to and from Terri with detectives.

"I would be, frankly, surprised if Terri Horman did not eventually face charges in this case," Stavley said. "I'd be surprised if the indictment didn't come down."

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http://www.kgw.com/news/local/DeDe-Spicher-testifies-before-grand-jury-99252004-kyron-horman-missing-portland.html

So, did Dede's attorney mis-speak or did Dede lie under oath during her deposition?
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« Reply #226 on: October 24, 2012, 09:56:18 AM »

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html


Investigators put pressure on Terri Moulton Horman's friends, including DeDe Spicher
Published: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:50 PM     
Updated: Friday, July 23, 2010, 11:52 AM
By Maxine Bernstein,


The Oregonian Detectives learned that Spicher, who shares Terri Horman's passion for fitness and gardening, was doing gardening work for a Northwest Portland homeowner on June 4.

She abruptly left the house about 11:30 a.m. and didn't return until an hour to 90 minutes later.

Another person working at the home called Spicher to come in for lunch, and the homeowner called Spicher on her cell phone but she wasn't reachable.

Detectives have questioned both the homeowner and the other person who was working at the home that day.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html
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« Reply #227 on: October 25, 2012, 10:02:51 AM »

Motion to Compel Testimony From DeDe Spicher 53 pages long


http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf
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« Reply #228 on: October 26, 2012, 06:30:01 PM »

Motion to Compel Testimony From DeDe Spicher 53 pages long


http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Spicer+Horman+5th.pdf

Just so that you know, this is a response to DeDe's 5th Amendment response to the deposition from Rosenthal to the courts so that she may be forced to respond to the questions asked by the plaintiff, Desiree Young.
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« Reply #229 on: October 28, 2012, 07:01:18 AM »

Others have suggested this case may be related to Terri Horman supplying steroids to members of LE.  Relatively shortly after Kyron disappeared some officers were accused of using steroids and were either arrested or lost their jobs. 

I have to reconsider the possibility.  Wouldn't it be horrendous if a member or members of LE were responsible for the disappearance of this little boy?

Sassi, remind me who the retired police officer is that we've all wondered about?  The owner of a houseboat, I believe.  Do you know?

Steve Harmon.
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Hi Sassi and Dear Monkeys,

Thanks for your continued efforts on Kyron's behalf.

I've been wondering for some time... do we have any pictures of Steve Harmon?

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« Reply #230 on: October 28, 2012, 02:44:59 PM »

Others have suggested this case may be related to Terri Horman supplying steroids to members of LE.  Relatively shortly after Kyron disappeared some officers were accused of using steroids and were either arrested or lost their jobs. 

I have to reconsider the possibility.  Wouldn't it be horrendous if a member or members of LE were responsible for the disappearance of this little boy?

Sassi, remind me who the retired police officer is that we've all wondered about?  The owner of a houseboat, I believe.  Do you know?

Steve Harmon.
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Hi Sassi and Dear Monkeys,

Thanks for your continued efforts on Kyron's behalf.

I've been wondering for some time... do we have any pictures of Steve Harmon?

Regards,
 
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Hey Koko!

Here is a pic of Steve Harmon:




His FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/ssteven.harmon
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« Reply #231 on: October 31, 2012, 06:12:04 PM »

Kyron's last known Halloween costume. The NINJA!  an angelic monkey Happy Halloween Kyron! We miss you!


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« Reply #232 on: November 02, 2012, 05:42:09 PM »

http://mobile.oregonlive.com/advorg/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=1cs0A1jO&full=true#display


Terri Horman's friend DeDe Spicher declines to answer any questions about Terri Horman in deposition
Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
Posted:  10/23/2012 10:00 AM



Desiree Young's lawyer has filed a motion asking a judge to compel DeDe Spicher, a friend of Terri Moulton Horman, to answer his questions after she refused to answer 142 questions during a deposition he took earlier this month stemming from Young's civil lawsuit against Horman.

Multnomah County sheriff's investigators looking into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, a second-grader who went missing from Skyline School on June 4, 2010, were interested in the whereabouts of Spicher on that day.

Spicher refused to answer any questions posed by Young's lawyers on Oct. 5 that involved Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmom, or Kyron -- each time asserting her Fifth Amendment constitutional right not to incriminate herself.

Spicher also refused to answer questions about where she was on June 4, 2010.

"Are you aware that Kyron Horman has disappeared?" asked Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal.

"I'm asserting my Fifth Amendment right," Spicher replied,  according to a transcript filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court.


Spicher even declined to identify a photo of Terri Horman, or whether she knew Terri Horman's husband, Kaine Horman , Young, or had ever met Kyron.

Young's lawyer, Elden Rosenthal, asked Spicher about her relationship with Terri Horman, including when she met her, if they ever worked out at the same gym together, if she moved into the Horman home after Kyron disappeared, and whether Terri Horman ever spoke to her about her relationship with Terri's husband or sons, Kyron and James Moulton.

In his motion filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court Monday, Rosenthal asks the court to compel Spicher to answer his questions. Rosenthal argued that the Fifth Amendment provides that "no person...shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself..."

"Plaintiff believes that Ms. Spicher has inappropriately sought the protection of the privilege against self-incrimination," Rosenthal wrote. "The privilege is personal; it cannot be used to protect another person...Otherwise, the privilege could be used as a shield to protect a witness' friends, and to deny a civil litigant probative evidence."

Young's civil lawsuit accuses Terri Horman of kidnapping Kyron and asks a judge to compel her to bring him back, or divulge where his body was taken. The suit seeks $10 million in damages, with the option to seek additional punitive damages, and was filed three days before the two-year anniversary of Kyron's disappearance.

Two years ago, Multnomah County investigators searched Spicher's Tualatin condo, the garden property on Northwest Old Germantown Road where Spicher was working that day and her aunt's address as they sought to determine Spicher's movements.

In 2010, investigators also put out a flier with Spicher's photos on it, asking if anyone noticed her or Terri Horman between 9:45 a.m. and 1 p.m. on June 4, 2010.

On June 4, 2010, Spicher was doing gardening work for a homeowner in the Northwest section of Portland, and abruptly left about 11:30 a.m., when the homeowner and another person working at the home were ready to sit down for lunch. The homeowner tried calling Spicher on her cell phone, but got no answer, and Spicher returned to the house about an hour to 90 minutes later, detectives were told.

Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right when asked in the deposition about her actions that day.

No one has been charged in Kyron's disappearance and he has not been located.

Spicher did tell Young's lawyers during her deposition that she moved to her parent's house in Klamath Falls in September 2010 after losing a job. She said she now works for Skylakes Klamath Medical Clinic, helping coordinate patients' referrals to specialists.

Also in her deposition, Spicher said she had been doing a gardening internship for a woman in Northwest Portland in 2010. She identified the man she last was in a relationship with, and even gave her changing weight from the time she ran a marathon in 2008 to her current weight.

 
But Spicher declined to say whether or not she was paid for the work she did on June 4, 2010 at the garden property on Northwest Old Germantown Road home. She did say that she was receiving unemployment benefits at the time.

Rosenthal pointed out that Spicher, who gave an interview to People Magazine for a story that ran Aug. 17, 2010, also wouldn't answer any questions regarding direct quotations from the People interview, or whether she got paid for the interview.

Some of Rosenthal's questions were more probing and personal. He asked Spicher whether or not Terri Horman used steroids, whether or not Terri Horman ever had sex with Kaine Horman's friend Michael Cook who spent time at the Horman house after Kyron disappeared, and if Spicher is bisexual.

Each time, Spicher asserted her Fifth Amendment right, declining to answer..


On June 4, 2010, Terri Horman had driven Kyron to school for a science fair. She told authorities that she last saw him walking down the hall toward his classroom about 8:45 a.m. Kyron never made it there, but he wasn't reported missing until the afternoon, after his father, Kaine Horman, and Terri Horman discovered he wasn't aboard the school bus returning home.

Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's attorney, has characterized the goal of Young's lawsuit as an "end run" by Young and police to obtain information they couldn't get through the criminal inquiry into Kyron's disappearance.

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« Reply #233 on: November 02, 2012, 06:14:41 PM »

YVW Puzzler!  

In case anyone is interested, what I've finally been waiting for, Terri's FB page has been set to the Timeline phase. With FB, when you are forced into timeline, resets some security options.

You'll see new photo's (old but one's we haven't seen before that were not public) and comments that are not in the SM Terri's FB page. Some comments are via email.

For those that don't have FB, I can easily screen capture them.

Apparently, per the comment, she was having problems with her pregnancy with Kiara.
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« Reply #234 on: November 02, 2012, 06:15:40 PM »

I can't see DeDe doing anything but asserting her 5th amendment write to any questions asked wrt Desiree's civil suit; afterall, I remember when Desiree/Kain first talked publicly about DeDe and they said then they would sue her if she didn't tell them what they wanted to know. 

"Perhaps" DeDe can't tell them what they want to know because she, herself, doesn't know. 

I would think with the first comments by Desiree/Kaine and now DeDe being deposed wrt to Desiree's civil suit that DeDe would be concerned that anything she says will be spun.

Just saying....there's more than one way to look at this.

Will be interesting to see what the Motion to Compel brings...
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« Reply #235 on: November 02, 2012, 06:16:02 PM »

Oops, forgot the link:

https://www.facebook.com/terri.horman
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« Reply #236 on: November 02, 2012, 06:19:34 PM »

I can't see DeDe doing anything but asserting her 5th amendment write to any questions asked wrt Desiree's civil suit; afterall, I remember when Desiree/Kain first talked publicly about DeDe and they said then they would sue her if she didn't tell them what they wanted to know. 

"Perhaps" DeDe can't tell them what they want to know because she, herself, doesn't know. 

I would think with the first comments by Desiree/Kaine and now DeDe being deposed wrt to Desiree's civil suit that DeDe would be concerned that anything she says will be spun.

Just saying....there's more than one way to look at this.

Will be interesting to see what the Motion to Compel brings...

I agree in a sense, but if you look at the motion to compel, Rosenthal clearly states that she (DeDe) can't use the 5th Amendment when it's in response to her knowledge of another person. That person being Terri.
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« Reply #237 on: November 02, 2012, 06:22:12 PM »

The hearing motion is set for 12/14/2012.

Young Desiree/Horman Terri    MCR   12/14/12   3:00P   THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR    120606956   Hearing Motion

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx
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« Reply #238 on: November 03, 2012, 07:15:37 AM »

The hearing motion is set for 12/14/2012.

Young Desiree/Horman Terri    MCR   12/14/12   3:00P   THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR    120606956   Hearing Motion

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx

Sassy - thanks.   In between now and the hearing above, isn't there a date set for divorce court ... in November sometime?
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« Reply #239 on: November 03, 2012, 10:06:21 AM »

The hearing motion is set for 12/14/2012.

Young Desiree/Horman Terri    MCR   12/14/12   3:00P   THXK 544 JUDGE KANTOR    120606956   Hearing Motion

http://courts.oregon.gov/OJD/pages/courtcalsearch.aspx

Sassy - thanks.   In between now and the hearing above, isn't there a date set for divorce court ... in November sometime?

There was suppose to be a hearing in November. I did a search on both Horman and his attorney, Rackner. Nothing is scheduled as far as the court calendar docket. 
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