Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Thanks Scatty.  ::MonkeyCool:: I know I can be a scatter brain at times LOL!

Ah! the fresh clean smell of a new cage.

I made it :}

Lets mess it up a bit  ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

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thanks wkys, for the med Q answer from last thread

i dont think it was a script, if she saw doc the day b4 and he gave a script
seems she would have filled it then, maybe she hadnt seen the doc yet,
and was going with otc, for the wkd till she could see the doc

Doe anyone know the time stamp on the Kyron/redtreefroggy school picture please?

We were just discussing the possibility if it was a prescription or not, it probably was over the counter meds.

Miki, I do not see a time stamp on that picture.

Miki monkey TY for the reply to my Qs

Thought it was just me  ::MonkeyEek::

Would the camera record the date and time of the picture even if it didn't time stamp the picture, I'm such a newb with photography please excuse the questions.

Bringing this over from the last thread.  Although I read here that it's been debunked, I thought I'd ask anyway.  Do we know what car the guy who reported this incident was driving?  Could he have been driving a black SUV, thus the reason the person who made that creepy video included what he did about (my paraphrase>>) the Black SUV you saw in your mirror

You're welcome I think you can see how I worry about LE's involvement, I feel if they make a mistake they won't own to it unless they have to and I feel we are running out of time to bring Kyron home.

I believe it was in the CA case, regarding the video taken at the nursing home of Caylee and her great-grandfather, that they were able to go into the camera's memory and pull up the actual date of the video.  They were apparently satisfied that the video was most definitely taken on Father's Day, and not a week before as cindy anthony once claimed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but that's what I remember. :)

I should have finished my thought, sorry.  I think that if LE wanted to know what time/date those photos were taken that they could know for certain.  I could be mistaken though, wouldn't be the first time.  ::rhino::

It's pretty much what I assumed that they could pull the time from the camera, so then LE has much more of the time line than they are willing to release, thought as much.

Thank you  ::CowboySmiley::

 Personally I am very frustrated with LE in this case, I do not know who to blame for the reports being put out as to who has done what and who hasn't.  I am not sticking up for TH in what follows only pointing out the statements from both parties that make NO sense to me what so ever.  Something so much deeper is involved here, like a previous poster said the FBI was on scene in 4 hours, and NO Amber Alert was issued?

 If not for Andrea Leckey coming out and speaking in the KOIN video she would still be pointed to as the "4th" person tied to the cell phones and fake names.  I found her very gracious in the interview and was glad to her from her exactly why she was involved in the case. 
So who else are we being played about?
 
 I like others can not understand DY saying TH was not honest with her and not a friend of hers and lied about how she met Kaine, it was not a friend of TH's that told the story of how Kaine and TH came to be it was Kaine's sister in law.  So for 5 years Kaine never spoke to any mutual friends or family members of his or TH's?
 Like someone mentioned they wouldn't be emailing daily to the mother of her husband's child, I can speak from experience, I raised my step son from the age of 7, and his mother was the bit** from hell, and that is being nice.  I did not call her, I did not text her, I did not email her.  If she called I handed the phone to my husband or gave him a message of what he needed to call her about.  Now of course if something was wrong I would call her, but we were not friends and didn't feel it my duty or my job to inform her of anything.  What I am saying sounds like the 4 of them had a pretty good relationship, TH drags herself to the birthday party of her step son's, step brother so he can celebrate with him? 
 What happened in this home to go from that to MFH plots, kidnapping or worse, we are being played by LE and we are not being told squat, and being sent on wild goose chases and people's lives are being affected, business's are being affected.  I like others am extremely frustrated with all of this.
 And how does any of this help find Kyron?
 The part of DeDe and her leaving work starts out with boss saying she got a phone call and took off at such and such time, then later they add over an hour to that timeline?  The original statement came from the owner's mouth and co-worker as to when DeDe left the farm?

Don't know about the rest of you but I am lost!!

have been thinking about the pic, 3 wks ago a friend uploaded some pics
from his phone while we were at the game, to the teams FB and the time
was time that he did that, i could see ,when we viewed the pg on the phone
wonder if TH has a Internet on her phone

A CSI-trained agent would have internet on their spy cellphone.  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I think she watched Columbo too many times.

Most everyone has internet on their cellphone now. 

I agree with you I think LE rushed to judge and then became determined to pin it on Terri whatever happened, if they had her at any time they lost her with that foolish attempt to entrap her so she immediately gets a lawyer and now we can do nothing, they should have waited. They also have almost no hope of catching anyone else as the trail would be cold by now I think the heavy hand of the law has done it's best to fit a square peg in a round hole and screwed this up. Whoever has done this I hope it's not too late to bring Kyron home.

d in texas, im lost to its like LE was thinking TH did it, this shouldnt be to hard,
just find the evidence, then they couldnt get enough for an arrest, so LE goes
into trickle down mode, take the truck info they were looking for, they put it out
and the GK steps up and leaves the LE with a short time window
ive said b4 only kyron should have been on the missing poster, with the truck on
it, people think no i didnt see that boy in that truck, or i didnt see that truck and
boy

 ::HelloKitty::

1.  I think Dede and Terri's relationship status is very important to know because it would explain why Dede is willing to be so involved in Terri's life.

But if the two of them conspired to do something, I would think that Dede would be laying low and be out of everyone's radar screen instead of being so much in the forefront.   That makes no sense at all.

2.  As far as Kaine and an alternative lifestyle, I read that he was staying with a co-worker and had gotten HER pregnant.  Then I have read of the gay thing.  Whatever.

It seems like in Portland the alternative lifestyle is very accepted.  But as far a Terri and what the person told doubledecker, it could be that a husband would not be too happy.  Maybe he's rich and she would lose everything.

8 a.m. - It's Science Fair Day at Skyline Elementary School. Kyron Horman, 7, and his step-mom arrive at school.

8:45 a.m. - Kyron says goodbye to his step-mom in the hallway and goes toward his classroom. He is last seen near his classroom, near the south entrance to school.

9:00 a.m. - Investigators say this was the last time Kyron was reportedly seen but they do not identify who saw him

last.http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Timeline-Search-for-missing-Kyran-Horman-95787519.html (http://last.http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Timeline-Search-for-missing-Kyran-Horman-95787519.html)


If Kyron was seen @ 9:00 am by a person the police won't name then Terri was at least pulling into the parking lot of FM if not already in the store, her receipt proves she checked out at 9:12. Who do you think saw Kyron and where?

Nothing of what Kain has done or is doing is being reported in the press but then he works for a very big company that has HUGE clout in the area they also have their own team of Lawyers.

CW and Miki thanks for sharing I don't feel like the only one hanging out on this "olive" branch....  Just frustrated have been all weekend, have been really busy getting real life things done this weekend as well, and can not keep Kyron off my mind.
I am so worried about this poor little boy.  I have no doubt that TH was indeed involved in "the plan" but as to what that plan is you got me!!
The timeline with DDS is really bugging me as well the owner and co-worker both stated the following>>
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/investigators_put_pressure_on.html)
I don't recall another case where people have changed timelines of other's like they have in this case, anyone else?
And while it is a "little thing" in the grand scheme of Kyron missing, KH having MC as a friend on his facebook page bothers me, everyone else has their page locked down, yet his friends and connections are open to public scrutiny with MC as one to scrutinize?

I was doing some research when I came across this link, it is a timeline that links to news stories and is actually a handy little link to have handy thought I would share it....
http://www.nwcn.com/home/related/Timeline-Search-for-missing-Kyran-Horman-95787519.html (http://www.nwcn.com/home/related/Timeline-Search-for-missing-Kyran-Horman-95787519.html)

Yes but Terri was 7 miles away at a Fred Myers store @ 9am..so who saw Kyron

That's the big question who saw Kyron and where at that time. If we believe the timeline and Terri was already in the store  ::MonkeyEek::

Well Terri was the one with the receipt and that's the provable part of the time line, Terri left at 8:45, must have left at this time to have got to Fred Myers so I'm gonna say that's probably accurate. I just want to know who they are relying on for the 9am sighting. I don't lose sight for one moment that the school would also like this to be Terri otherwise I see a huge lawsuit in their future.

I have a horrible feeling it's the little boy who said he saw Kyron go off on his own to see the electrical exhibit, the one who got the days mixed up when the temp teacher was there. I just hope it isn't.

The wall of hope and it being moved: 

I understand that parents may be concerned about it beling left up and children concerned about their schoolmate still being missing; I can also understand that a lot of the older schoolmates might be concerned that the wall is taken down and their schoolmate hasn't been found yet.

Okay then I guess I'm alone...whistles to herself...enjoyed the forum thank you to those who responded and those who blogged. Good Night!

Maybe someone saw Kyron in Terri's truck?  In the Fred Meyer parking lot.

I'm wondering if it wasn't a refill of a prescription and that the 1st Freddy's was out of that particular med and she went to another Freddy's to get it filled/refilled.  That happens with me sometimes.

We have had that happen also.

That can be change in the camera you can have it set to anytime or the real time or No time at least it's like that with my sony's

Great point!

 He was by his friend TANNER PUMALA

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Hormans-desk-mate-says-substitute-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx


Interview with Tanner Pumala friend of Kyron Horman
Klaasend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tAZ1FmHtcI

Oh please.  So this is some kind of conspiracy to "get" the wonderful stepmom Terri?  The same person who attempted to hire a hitman to kill Kaine?  The same Terri that was sending naked photos of herself to Michael Cook after Kyron went missing?

My Fuji camera allows the same thing,  Blonde.

Regarding the "possible" altertnative lifestyles of the adults in this case, I personally don't care how these fools get their jollies.  I do care about what they are exposing their children to, in IMO, that lends itself to motive and opportunity in this case.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_chronology_of_eve.html

8:15 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, arrives and sees Kyron with his stepmother in front of his exhibit.

8:45 a.m. Terri Horman leaves after watching Kyron walk toward his classroom after touring the science fair.

9 a.m. Kyron is reportedly seen by a student near the south entrance of the school, according to Sheriff Dan Staton, who says that was the last time the boy was seen. Multnomah County authorities later backtrack on that statement.

10 a.m. Classes begin.

At some point, Kyron's homeroom teacher, Kristina Porter, reports him absent.

Yeah, and a few other things.

Do not forget that just as LE was about to ask for more money for the investigation, they took back their request, and the DA requested money. They found enough to focus on Terri, but they haven't told us what it is.

Hi Miki,  I thought there were two teachers who saw Kyron leave with Terri.  I don't think a time was given for that. 

I also believe it was the boy who stated that. But then as far as I know there isn't any proof who he left with.  Just waiting for more info to come out.

I trust they will get the perp or perps who did this. I just hope they also locate Kyron and he is safe.

Seems they have changed their minds again  ::MonkeyDevil::  I do wish someone would tell them they can't list themselves as a NON PROFIT organization, not even in Facebook  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriSupportDonations.jpg)

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?v=wall&ref=ts)

I couldn't find anything there about non-profit, but I did find this on their Info page:
"This page is in no way, shape or form affiliated with Terri Horman or her family members." So, there must be an affiliation somewhere if they were able to give an address to which to send money.

90% of the posters there are probably Terri anyway. I don't feel like backtracking each of them to check their join dates and other info, and I'm not interested in the site.

You see it when you type in the name in the facebook search field.  Whoever originally set it up simply checked the wrong box and said they were a non-profit.  Of course they aren't and it bugs me it says they are.

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Can someone please post the blog or the pic or whatever with suggesting Kaine gay and using a pink triangle? I am completely lost on that and perhaps others are as well.

You are not alone and I've been here off and on all day, but never saw the blog or picture  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Does anyone know where that email that was written by Terri and then some unidentified source sent it in to the news? I believe in that email she states she left the school at 9:00. This is confusing as I thought earlier in the case she had told people she left at 8:45. I agree with those of you that feel Terri either did something to Kyron or knows what happened...I also feel that Dede is involved. Also I could be wrong...but in one of those emails that were written by Terri I thought she said the baby had a doctors appointment that day. If the baby did have a doctors appointment that day...when did that happen? Also if the baby was really not feeling well...then I don't see why she was wandering around with her all day.

So, I went to the damn FB page and someone there asked an intelligent question. GK was there for 1/2 hour, to mow a soccer field. That does seem rather quick doesn't it ?
How many other peeps go to the school that are not employed by the school to do work that are not employees of the school or the school division ? Maintenance men, electricians, janitors, painter,  ls guys ?

 ::HelloKitty::

Wasn't the lawn mower guy there longer than 1/2 hour?  I thought he came about 7:45?

I was reading & catching up from the last thread. I know in that discussion DD was talking about LE questioning someone in Regards to having a lesbian relationship to terri..
I found an interesting connection to dede from someone she tweeted in 08 that knows Jean Ann Van krevelen in the pic Jean was at a blogher party (that Im still learning about< blogher see pics) (I posted these links so you could see how I got to where I got...re nakedjen) I dont know too much about her yet so while Im learning I thought I would put it out there and see if anyone from Oregon knows her or about the county fair behind the scenes in the woods..there is a couple of rivers near there one is the Williamette. I know DD (doubledecker) was asking about photo of the river..so thought I would at that...one is called

Long Tom River west of Veneta.

ok heres how I linked all of this...

http://www.flickr.com/people/28572032@N06/contacts/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennyonthespot/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennyonthespot/sets/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28572032@N06/sets/72157621851279676/
 

the 2nd person in this pic is jean ann van krevelen of 3Giraffes whom dede tweeted in 08 09  <Jean is DeDes Friend.its the link below
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28572032@N06/3760994120/in/set-72157621851279676/
(I cannot copy the pic of Jean so you have to look on the link above)

They attend a Blog Her Party 08 09 10 (every year)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennyonthespot/3784667657/in/set-72157621933157218/

another person from blogher 09 whom is connected to these people..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jenandtonic/sets/72157621937100576/


Is connected to NakedJen
http://www.flickr.com/people/jenandtonic/


Keep In mind DeDe tweets 3 Giraffes IN 08-09 & 3Giraffes has a pic of JeanAnnVK that did gardening work with dede in 2010 who KNows the owner of Westwind.

DEDE TWEETS>>>>>>
@3giraffes I am SO right there with ya! Can not stay awake. Falling asleep at my desk. Zzzzzz...
12:11 PM Jan 16th, 2009 via web in reply to 3giraffes
.@3giraffes how about "due to" or "caused by" or "arose from" or "precipitated by"????
1:35 PM Jan 13th, 2009 via web in reply to 3giraffes
2:40 PM Dec 16th, 2008 via web .@3giraffes 4 cups in a quart.
2:32 PM Dec 14th, 2008 via txt in reply to 3giraffes
 
 Oregon County Fair pic of Naked Jen (the pics dont show her naked in this link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rogerrix/sets/72157624497814862/with/4795686516/
Naked Jen
http://www.nakedjen.com/  < her blog
(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx164/Happy2PhotoU/flicker%20friends%20of%20dede/nakedjen.jpg)
 
her quotes under this pic on her blog..
 (http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx164/Happy2PhotoU/flicker%20friends%20of%20dede/jen.jpg)

(http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx164/Happy2PhotoU/flicker%20friends%20of%20dede/untitled.jpg)

* Boys like breasts. It's just how it goes.




News Artical RE what goes on at the oregon county fair
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/oregon_country_fair_celebrates.html


another link to naked jen to 3giraffes< dede friendthis is a connection with 3 giraffes and the nakedjen
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isabel_kallman/
 
the comment under this is the connection
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isabel_kallman/3213182501/in/set-72157612758675679/
 
http://www.flickr.com/people/jenandtonic/  < link to pic with nakedjen

Good question, I'll bet a lot of comings and goings of different maintenance people.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100663409.html

Stensen told a reporter earlier in the week that he cut the grass on the soccer field between 7:45 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. and never saw the truck on the road.

Stensen told investigators that he left Skyline School as late as 8:45 a.m. or 9 a.m., which means he could have missed seeing the Horman truck being in the two spots investigators are interested in, especially since he spent his time and attention at the school mowing the soccer field

Don't forget, he uses a riding mower so it would go faster.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/GroundskeeperT2.jpg)

Ah-ha! Thanks for the clarification.
 ::monkeywine2::

 HI Tracygirl

sorry here is the link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=1208361;topic=8373.40;num_replies=58;sesc=47941d0390b75a4fa211d6ad17a1d70a

Snipped.....
Media control by Kaine Horman
I was previously posting on oregon live - the tiny news outlet in Portland, Oregon that has become a tabloid instead of a news organization.  oregon live has made it clear they are Kaine Horman's "team players" and will not allow posts on their comment section that even mentions Kaine Horman's boyfriend let alone theories that Kaine Horman was responsible for disappearing his son.  At the same time they allow all sorts of theories and speculation about Terri Horman.  They also allow the Pink Triangle Mob to harass those who do not go along with the mob  "Terri did it, lets lynch her" mentality of so many others.

Here is how Kaine Horman has manipulated and controlled the media:

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/07/01/kyron-hormans-family-boots-ww-and-the-oregonian/

End Snip......

I so DO NOT like that group of people!!  The other day they were saying that KH was taking money directly to himself on his new website and that was a BOLD FACE LIE!!  If you take the time to press the paypal button or donation button it takes you directly to the Multnomah Sherriff Department and they are taking donations.
So instead of saying we are wrong NO they delete the ugly comments (they are good at that!) and someone states the truth, next thing you know some mystery woman wants to send money they come up with a PO Box out of the thin air, now they back track on that and say the above.

School groundskeeper never saw Hormans’ white truck
Story Published: Aug 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 12, 2010 at 7:14 PM PDT
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html


School groundskeeper clarifies timeline to investigators
Story Published: Aug 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 13, 2010 at 6:26 PM PDT
http://www.katu.com/news/100663409.html
 

Kyron Horman Update: School Groundskeeper Never Saw Stepmom's Truck on Day Ore. Boy VanishedAugust 13, 2010 10:49 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20013563-504083.html

me too, ive been lookin havent found it yet, i do remember seeing what i thought
was a pink ribbon one time, not sure, it was a pic i think, and she didnt have the
find kyron shirt on, the ribbon looking thing kinda blended in

That ScaredMonkeys link isn't working and if the blog where this comes from is Nancy aka 42ndState many have accused her of being either Terri or DeDe and I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt

The question is where did the Kaine is gay and Pink Triangle reference happen?  I don't see it above.

Wasn't it that they thought they left together, not that they seen the 2 leaving together. I recall asking what made them think they left together, did they see them walking towards a door, did they wave goodbye and say see ya? Did they hear Terri say, come on lets go to the appointment or hurry we will be late for that appointment?

I have never understood why Tanners statement was disregarded. Was it because he called an adult a sub when it was a chaperon and because of that he lost credibility? Was it because they found the child to be lying? Did they investigate why he would lie? Seems like he was just a little kid with a story of his day. It didn't match with what has been determined to maybe, perhaps be the time line so did they disregard it?

I have to say that black SUV being called a Kyron is a bit freaky. Not sure if it is related to the comment on the video, but what a strange coinkidink.

Gay people are just that, people. Oregon is a pretty progressive state, I can't imagine being Gay to be a social downfall, unless of course you are someone who speaks out against being gay, then you got some problems! I always find that funny when that happens. There is someone in politicall power fighting against Gay rights and then they are found with a man in a hotel...lol, that one gets me everytime.

Are Terri and Dede gay lovers? I honestly do not believe they are but if Terri was having an affair with a woman, that does not make her a child killer, nor does it mean that Terri and Dede plotted to have Kyron disappear, nor does it mean they are perverted sex addicts that want to do children. HOWEVER, IF(!!!!) Terri or Kaine for that matter is running in some circle of people who are into a swingers lifestyle or they are having 3somes around the kids who are asked to watch or around to bring more pleasure to the whole thing as I believe Kristian Horman did, or Terri is off during the day doing everyone and their brother and/or sister or IF(!!!!) Kaine was doing that, well then that could potentially bring problems for them. Doubledecker had mentioned something about a 3some possibly being brought up. I wonder who the other 2 were? Terri and some woman and then ????

Janet - you back home already?  Did you have a wonderful time?  Did you go to Portland?

Thanks Lucky, I will say the county fair sounds interesting  ::MonkeyEek:: and like no county fair I've ever attended.

Hi Peeps,  I just got back from my lovely drive up to Skyline Rd.  Oh, it is such a beautiful day here, even tho it is hotter than a pistol out there.  When I turned right off Cornelius Pass Rd onto Skyline it was like I was at the highest point on that mountain.  And to drive down that high ridge to be almost as close to the sky as one could be, I was awestruck at it's beauty.

When I drove up there before I missed the school but today I drove right to it.  As I rounded the corner and saw the school on my left I felt my throat tighten and the tears, yes they started to come.  I had to compose myself so pulled into the church parking lot and parked my car so as to see everything I could.  I said a little prayer for Kyron to be found soon and looked up to see the Wall of Hope directly ahead, bright and colorful with ribbons waving in the warm breeze.  Off to my left I saw a large hanging plant of little purple flowers hanging at the church's door and I just knew then there was good Karma abounding for Kyron and he would be found.

At the front of the school parking lot, right at Skyline was a KOIN truck sitting right at the corner.  I thought of speaking with him be it looked like he was dozing so didn't do that.  A couple in their 40's had just got out of their car and were walking to the Wall.  They stared at me, probably cause I was driving a white Ford 250.  lol 

The school seemed smaller to me than I expected from looking at the photos.  I wanted to drive up the access road and follow it to the back of the soccer field but couldn't as it was blocked off with the chain.  If the maintenance man was way back there at 8:45, I don't think he would have been able to see anything out near the access rd.  Allot of high growing folliage there. 

I then drove down Brooks Rd a bit to see what it was like.  I saw several expensive homes with their outbuildings but only one small turnaround spot off the road to pull over without going into someone's driveway.  I thought if Terri did drive down that road she must have known where she was going to have some seclusion, and knew they wouldn't be home.

Back on the road again and turning right onto Skyline by the church I now saw 4 cars in the parking lot, all looking at what was on the Wall.  The one couple turned and waved to me goodbye and I headed towards Newberry Rd. and was there sooner than I expected.
 
*  First, I saw no police cars anywhere.
*  Second, there was no mailbox for a 13926 address.  In fact between the address of 14000 down to 13700, there was not a mailbox in sight.  14000 was a lavish home up on a hill off to the right on the Forest Park side of the road.  Right after that the road straightened out for a bit till the 13700 address appeared.  Bare land probably with an address but not built on yet is what I thought.
*  I did not see the house that was in the video with the tree out front with the red circle on it.

I'm glad I went up there today.  My ride back was cool, dropping down fast off the mountain to suddenly see the Columbia River with all it's brightly colored big and little boats laid out like a painting below me.  I took a right on Hwy #30, reviewing what I'd seen in my trip when lo and behold I saw a familiar face smiling down at me from the side of the road.  Kyron, yes, his face on that huge billboard going towards Portland. 

If little Kyron is gone from us his spirit is still there I think.  He couldn't be in a more beautiful place.  I just hope he is found soon and brought back home.

Sorry got lost here for a minute where is DD posting all of this stuff?

Oh Lucy 7<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<meant to add some way WIERD AS* People ?????????? WOW............

Terri Horman e-mails: 'They are blaming me'
Story Published: Aug 9, 2010 at 11:14 PM PDT
Story Updated: Aug 10, 2010 at 1:09 PM PDT
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html


E-Mails Shed Light On Day Of Horman Split
POSTED: 12:28 pm PDT August 10, 2010
UPDATED: 7:55 pm PDT August 10, 2010
http://www.kptv.com/news/24581546/detail.html


New Terri Moulton Horman e-mails detail day of Kyron Horman's disappearance
Published:
Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 3:00 PM
Updated: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 12:39 PM
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/katu_terri_moulton_horman_emai.html

Thank-you Scandi, sounds like a very lovely area, thanks for reporting back to us  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Scandi!

they are all wierd.. Ive never seen a clan quite like it.

Did you mean where is DD posting on her site? if so she hasnt yet..
 I get confused with the DD's   haha

  Scandi Thank you.. thats great info..

 do you know anything about the oregon county fair at all?

 

lol, me neither!

  i wonder why DeDe deleted her Blog and not her twitter?

Thanks, Scandi. That is a great report on your adventure into Kyron territory.

The blog has all those photos of her condo and planters on her deck.  Maybe that's why?  Plus she may want to stay in touch with people on twitter.

Hi Klaas

It was a given before we left that Portland would not happen.  Considering Portland was further south on #5 from Mt. St. Helen's exit ... hubby felt that we should just go along to the criteria put together youngest son's inlaws who had invited us to join them on the road trip.

Kinda hot (95 degrees F) but we had a wonderful time nevertheless!  Beautiful scenery!  Great company!  For the most part ... nature has reclaimed the mountain from the devastation that resulted from that horrific eruption.  It would have been nice to have spent tomorrow in Seattle but the couple we went with received a call from son who was overseeing their dairy farm.  Apparently there were some issues that required immediate attention.

It is good to be home.  Nothing like your own bed.

Janet

I've never been to the Mt. St. Helen area but would love to go sometime.  The entire northwest is so beautiful.  Glad you're back and had a nice time.

Scandi thanks for going and looking around, if you get out that way again, could
you check out the farm on nw old germantown road, ive looked at that addy on bing
birds eye, you would think i could see at least the pools of water, near the gardens
that they show on the web site, just weird, some how i think its 2 did places
thanks again for looking around

And that is also a children't event?  OKAY if they say so???

No DeDe where is she posting all of this that you are talking about it....

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100735809.html
(http://media.katu.com/images/100815_bracelets.jpg)

Kyron bracelets are local mom's way of helping out

by Meghan Kalkstein KATU News and KATU.com Staff

Originally printed at http://www.katu.com/news/local/100735809.html

TIP LINE: (503) 261-2847

PORTLAND, Ore. - A Skyline Elementary parent is doing what she can to help bring Kyron Horman, the local 7-year-old who has been missing for two and a half months, home.

Piper McFarland is selling 'Bring Home Kyron' bracelets outside the Hillsboro Fred Meyer store near Imbrie Drive and Cornelius Pass.

The bracelets, which cost $2, are blue and yellow to represent the school's colors. All proceeds will help offset the cost of the investigation, which is running into the hundreds of thousands of dollars.

"I think any little bit helps, money wise, and just keeping Kyron's face and name out there," said McFarland.

    * View family photos of Kyron Horman

One of the coordinators of the effort said they sold about 300 of the bracelets on Sunday and took in almost $1,000 from the sales and other donations.

The Fred Meyer store where McFarland set up shop is one of two that investigators believe Terri Horman visited after attending Kyron's science fair the day he disappeared.

It appears that Kiara was with Terri Fred Myers.  This is the first mention of anybody confirming that Kiara was with Terri on the morning that Kyron went missing.

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Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
Last Update: 10:48 am (August 14, 2010)

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

Ditto here thank you truly enjoyed your post, thank you very much....

Thanks Klaas.

Our sixteen year old gold retriever really missed us.  She was prancing around us us like a puppy.  Niece and hubby stayed at our home and ... claimed they gave her lots of attention but ... she moped all weekend nevertheless.

Janet

it was from her twitter posts from 08 09 to 3giraffes... is that what you mean? hahaa Im sorry if I confused you.. Im confused.. 

I am wiped.  I will unpack tomorrow morning when it is cooler.

Good Night All.

Janet
7:05 PM PT

Your Welcome,  I went up there for all of us, and hopefully wanted to give you a little glimpse of what I saw that is involved in the case.  A feeling for the land and what is happening there today.  ;}

About the fair Lucky, I need to read back to see what f\air you mean.  The Multnomah County Fair was held over Memorial day weekend in May down at Oaks Park, on the river here in Portland.

The Oregon State Fair is a biggie and starts Aug 27th in Salem, our state capitol.  It is traditional with all the prizewinning animals, hogs to cows and bulls, chickens to sheep.  And the cooking, sewing, wine and 4H competitions, all of great interest.  Rides and curly fries and always a big pull concert ~ this year ZZ Top I think.

finally caught up from way back on the previous thread...

one thing on the old thread I noticed and want to clear up is....

someone, forget who, misunderstood me and thought I had said that it was DEDE who was told by LE that if she did not tell them everything the person knew they would tell kaine she was having a lesbian affair with terri and kaine and kaine would tell about it and it would RUIN her. 


this was NOT dede supposedly did this to... it was another person the LE questioned... (this is what I AM TOLD)

I just want to make sure everyone knows it was suppose to be some other person le told this, not dede... also this person was not having any relationship with terri other than they were friends.  I have no idea why LE would try to do this to that person,but I know LE does do stuff like that. 

still catching up...

scandi....

you posted

*  Second, there was no mailbox for a 13926 address.  In fact between the address of 14000 down to 13700, there was not a mailbox in sight.  14000 was a lavish home up on a hill off to the right on the Forest Park side of the road.  Right after that the road straightened out for a bit till the 13700 address appeared.  Bare land probably with an address but not built on yet is what I thought.

________________

so FOREST park is right by there? how close to that piece of land where the address is suppose to be, would that be to FOREST park... is it right by it?

and one other thing scandi... you just post what kind of vehicle you drive.. I don't know about you, but you might not want to do that, especially, being you are out there driving and snooping... then posting... if there are people out there who are watching, they will see you when you are out there... just be cautious... perhaps you might not want to post what vehicle you are driving around out there to snoop in...  ::MonkeyCool::

You know what I don't get? When I first came here to SM I brought in the info on DDS's tweets. All of you pretty much ostracized me because there are 2 sides of the tweets. I didn't realize this because I don't tweet. Then Lucky7 comes in and everyone seems to be on board.

IMO you guys are being hypocrites. Rosemont Farms has NOTHING to do with this! It was explained in her post. I just don't get you guys. It's 'no way' when I post it, but it's 'you could have something there' when Lucky7 posts it?

I'm not trying to belittle anyone here, nor am I trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I just don't get the inconsistencies in opinions.

As a side note........ I have the utmost respect for ALL of the monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Cw,  You bet, I'll go up next weekend and know just where Old Germantown Road breaks off.  Let me know more about the property and the name of the farm with exactly what you want to know and I'll just drive up in there as a tourist.   ::piggy::  { lol }

Whats this Klaas? If your not with us your against us. It is not proven she hired a hitman had there been any conclusive proof she would have been arrested, no one said she was wonderful in any shape or form but your derisive tone for anything other than utter condemnation is unwarranted and biased.  Sending naked photos does not a killer make. MHO

I think its odd that terri was SHY never held a conversation with Andrea at the gym- calls to her at the store... makes it a point to show the pick of Kyron with a sick baby in her arms..


  and can anyone ask or find out about this..
Was DeDe was SEEN  at the school that day early around 8-830?  to my understanding from news video.. a reporter was showing the side rd at the school .. she mentions DeDe was CONFIRMED Identified as the person seen that morning. < after the recap on the presser.   
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye_MsDrlAUU&feature=related  < its about the 3 min mark on the video by reporter ANNA CANZANO with KATU she prob knows Anita Kissee

 ::HelloKitty::

Scandi that was a beautiful post!

Sassifrass - honestly I don't remember from one day to the next who brings what to the forum.  I can't then intelligently respond to your accusation that people here are hippocites. Then you turn around and say how much you respect us?  HUH? 

I, personally, have never ignored the tweets, I noticed them right off as well... I just never had the time to put them all together as well as lucky has... it does take putting them together and tracking them back and forth to see who is tweeting to whom and what all is being said...

until someone really does that and lays it all out in an understanding platform it is very hard for others to see... its taken a long long long time to try to do that... I never had time to do it to explain it to anyone, but lucky has taken the time to do it... probably no one would be interested in her saying it, if she had not pieced them together the way she has... without piecing them all together you don't really notice what is going on...

there is still a LOT of things we see that has not been layed out where others can understand... I'm not sure how long that will take... but until it is done, I don't think anyone will understand what all was going on.

it's not a personal thing whether it is YOU or LUCKY or WHO it is, it is a matter of getting it all together where it is easy to see.. .without doing that, no one sees it... it's nothing personal.

Info on the Oregon County Fair which used to be known as the Oregon Renaissance Fair not your normal County Fair. Not even close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Country_Fair

hmm I totally missed that... interesting, I'll have to go watch that... I wonder if they said that as a boo boo or if someone really did see dede there that morning?

HI Sassifrass..

I think before when SM was talking about the tweets it was not researched in depth the way it is now..  its alot of work to break them down, connect them to people ect ect..

there so much in my head from researching its crazy and its too much to post here.
  there are ALOT of connections to DeDe and the farm.. some are shady people.
 I want to make a BIG NOTE here.. I never said rosemont was involved. I will not pretend to know rosemont because I dont, only what I read. the tweets between them have never been discused on tv. if it was me I would get it cleared up if I didnt like it and be specific. LE has revisited things in every case they have. they have to go back allll the time. i know..
   I never said anything bad about rosemont only posted Facts about times and what they wrote.
  I totally respect everyones feelings , views ect.. I hope everyone can respect  mine as well.
 :)

thank you DD I have asked about this several times and no one seems to know.

She deleted all the posts that I find interesting, significant, might have something to do with something? <<<I can no longer be sure of anything or anyone in this case...LOL

the ones with Pea...but kind of late they are snipped and posted around the world.....lol

Actually the video says "they AREN'T confirming the person as DeDe Spicher, but..."

Thanks Janet! I have just heard different times as to what time she actually left the school. She clearly states in that email she left at 9:00 A.M. which who knows if that is the truth???

thank you for the info. and thanks scandi.. its interesting to know. the Oregon fair is a little odd..
 

Shoot! In the box. Sorry! I'm really good at horning in, I guess! :D

Ok Scatty ... I listend to it again.. they said arent confirming..she said arent so quick, sorry everyone... but she says they DO know the white truck was parked there that morning on the gravel rd..
 

Hi DD,  Yes, Newberry Rd does go thru a part of Forest Park not very far after it starts.  Newberry Rd is not a very long road really, a quick hop off of the top ridge of the mountain down to the sea level elevation of Hwy #30 and the Columbia River.  The higher address numbers are at Skyline, 14000 about half way down to Hwy #30.  Most of the properties are on the left side of the road but there are some stunning homes I had missed before on the right, the side of the road closest to Forest Park.

The address shows about half way down Newberry Rd.  The 14000 address is right where the road starts to straighten out, which shows on the map I'll post here.  The land across the street on the left was not notable for any rise in elevation where that house we saw in the video would be, and I saw no improvements to the land in what would be the 13900 block. I think the people that own 14000 Newberry Rd have a nice acreage that goes with it.  That house could be sitting in Palm Springs it is so lovely.  I used their address as the 13926 address would be right past it going downhill towards Hwy #30.  You will see the green area as Forest Park
:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=13926+newberry+rd+portland+or+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=13926+NW+Newberry+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&gl=us&ei=o6JoTMK-BpCosQPmjqzZDQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=13926+newberry+rd+portland+or+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=13926+NW+Newberry+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&gl=us&ei=o6JoTMK-BpCosQPmjqzZDQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA)


Thanks for the precaution warning.  The couple that waved goodbye to me, they first saw me when I was sitting by the church wiping my eyes.  I think they then realized I was there to contemplate Kyron and it wasn't the same white truck.  All in all I take your concern to heart.  xox

Oh good grief-That entire page is unbelievable on so many levels, starting with the fact there is a 7 year old missing and she starts a support and be concerned about me page. She is about as smart as a box of rocks <<<insert mad monkey kicking red haired box of rocks>>>

I wish they'd remove that page from facebook entirely-every non-her suggestion about what may have happened to Kyron, gets her giving praise and kudos to how smart that person is, how she wishes the police were as wise, every comment pointing at her is removed. For being as self proclaimed intelligent as she claims I would think that she would realize normal comments from a concerned person really wanting something or someone found are comments like "we've looked there"..."we've tried that" or putting an extreme rush on things suggested that haven't been tried yet. Not her this page is about supporting me-crap

Very good point to Scandi and all of our other local monkey buddies......
I don't know about everyone but I have a REALLY bad feeling about exactly who is involved with Kyron being taken.  JMO but I think it is pretty clear that TH is most likely not the one that took Kyron from the school.  She is so "sly" and thought whatever she did would not point to her but it does in some way...JMO again.

Oh my mom just got back from vacation yesterday and was asking me for updates, was telling her my frustration and mentioned the FBI on the scene in 4 hours and no Amber Alert, she hadn't realized that and asked if the FBI was still on the scene, not active in the case but actually on the scene.
Anyway know the answer to that?  I don't think they are, but can't be positive...

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=14000+newberry+rd+portland+or+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=13926+NW+Newberry+Rd,+Portland,+OR+97231&gl=us&ei=o6JoTMK-BpCosQPmjqzZDQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCEQ8gEwAA

For some reason it won't post 14000, but if you put that address into Google it does come up on the map.  Crazzzzy  !!!

Klaas: When I came here the 1st time I had a post about DDS's tweets. OS was the one that said, along with others, that there are 2 sides of the tweets. The end result was that the tweets didn't mean anything.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8300.msg1191467#msg1191467 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8300.msg1191467#msg1191467)



Look at the post here. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8304.60 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8304.60)

I wouldn't be here if I didn't respect the people that are here. I'm just frustrated with the back and forth of information. I highly respect you Klaas, and I'm pretty sure from day one, that you didn't care for me. However, I'm here for Kyron. I'm not here to make friends and frankly I don't give a hoot who likes me or doesn't like me.

I was trying to make a point that the tweets were already visited. OS pointed out the lack of importance regarding these tweets.

hmmm well if they have not CONFIRMED it, I wonder if they THINK it...or is this another point at someone and let people THINK it was her? 

Sorry but after the "Andrea Leckey" nonsense and the "PRESS" I am not taking anything as "confirmed" from any of them unless it comes from LE or the person accused themselves utters the words or it is in writing.....just not doing it anymore...
JMO but between all the things said by the "press" and others they have muddied the waters!!
Example the grounds keeper why did LE not already know and either take that into account with the press conference or say something about it?

well that screw up of mine made me think of this...

 If DeDe was there in the AM with Terri at the school... then Terri goes to Fred Meyer around 9-?  then witness's say they saw the truck again Near DeDe's jobsite off Germantown 10-10:30.< why were they meeting there? if dede had kyron, maybe to let terri have an alibi? terri went to the store then meet dede there at that time after she went to the store 10-10:30. then the worker said DeDe left Abruptly at 11:15. would not answer phone. so to me dede was trying to make an Alibi... met terri so she could take kyron while she went to make people SEE she was at the Job at 11:15 left Abruptly. thats why they see her truck there at the jobsite near Germantown?

so maybe they were trying to give time for Eachother to have an Alibi... then 90 mins to do what ever they did.. we know dede went back to the job and terri went home to post the pic.

 ::HelloKitty::

wouldn't all of the even numbers be on the same side of the road?  So that number must be close to 14000. 

If you can figure out about how far apart the house numbers are (feet or block wise), it might give you a pretty close idea of where that 13926  number might be.

I wonder if there was a house there at one time and it decayed or something like that?

D- dummy ol me heard it wrong.. thanks to Scatty pointing it out they said arent confirming.
 duh huh hahhaaaa I made a boo boo.. and I agree they make mistakes..

I read through quickly and I saw some people that agreed that they were very odd tweets.  Then I saw several people welcome you.  Then it was at page 50 and we went to the new thread.  I don't think anyone was dismissing your post in any way. 

I'll tell you what really bothers me.  That interview with Andrea Leckey where one video she says Terri had Kiara in her arms but in the other video she doesn't.  THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME.  It was the origin site KOIN that didn't say Kiara was in her arms.  Now, did she say it then realize it was wrong?  Did they edit it out by mistake?  Did LE contact KOIN and ask them to edit it out?  I'd like to know because it is an important piece of information.

I think that LE interviewed the groundskeeper right away.

I think that LE is looking at things through a new lens because of info from either the bat phones, GJ testimony, or Dede info.

I think LE knew where Terri had parked because she told them where she parked and people confirmed it.

But now all of a sudden, they have NEW info that places the truck on the access road, is my guess.

So LE has to figure out how that happened and if it's true.  That's my guess, but I could be wrong.

No way did they no interview the grounds guy.  They just need different info now.

Not pointed at you Lucky 7 you know that...lol
But what witness's said they saw the truck by where DeDe worked I only know of one witness saying the truck was seen twice at Sauvie Island....oh man I am confused????  sorry really not trying to bug here but I must need to go reread the entire thing eveybody at LE or ever is releasing all this keeps changing things up.

so it looks like that address is in the park area... could that be why we are not finding that address because it is part of the park?  could that person have been directing us to FOREST PARK, just like the CL post directed us to FOREST GROVE?

we need to find out if there are any private houses inside that park... some parks do have leases where they can have private houses on gov property.. I don't know if this park has that or not.. they are usually 99 year leases etc... I wonder if there is a house inside that park... or maybe the person is just pointing at the park, but why then not just say in the park... interesting..

cedar street also runs into the park.. that is a TREE name... I'll go check out all this stuff and see what I can find... and then post about whatever I find.

Hey sassifras>>>
I have always thought the tweets between DD and Pea are very interesting and to the point I obsessed about them, ask several in the cage right now.  Others thought I was reading too much into it, and that is their right and the reason the cage works so well.
If I got offended everytime Klass (as example) or others didn't agree with me I would be offended and hurt a lot.
Things got a little tense on the Casey Anthony case as well in the cage, it is called frustration, when you are dealing wth a child being missing and the adults involved don't seem to give a rat's ass..... Sometimes stronger personalities come through in the poster.....
What I am saying is please don't think you aren't heard or important in the cage because we all are!!

Sassifrass you were on to something with those tweets back then when you posted them. I agreed from Day 1 that they were fishy... esp. the 2 that you posted.
  I know Klaas is so busy with the board theres no time for research. I have spent hours on end trying to put this together, but what you posted was a start. 
  dont be upset.. Im a good listener and I just dont blow off people. so If you point somethin out Im listening. I think alot of people read and dont comment. they prob care too.
  I care and I look at everything till there is an end to it on every angle. I also respect other opinions and know not everyone will agree with me.
 
 

 

I have seen house numbers go absolutely haywire, especially, if you are out in the boonies...and depending on the acreage of each plot they will jump far apart, or if someone subdivides the land the numbers get messed up... what we really need is a plot map... I wonder if multnomah county has theirs online, some counties do

ooop plat map not plot map LOL

DD do you have the 4 address's that LE searched? if not I have them some where. there were 4 farm owners. 4 address's

Doesn't it that is the one that to me is so blatent!!  And like you said which is it? in her arms not in her arms, why was it edited out? then back in?, you know news papers and news stations do it all the time they explain the reason...edited to correct apple a was actually sitting in the crate?...example

Well if they did and didn't come out and say look folks we are aware of what the lawn dude said but we have reason to believe etc.  They are going to really turn people off of paying attention to anything they have to say, and not trust if what they do say will be told correctly or used as "news". JMO

dd - I've had this link saved - for looking up addresses in multnomah county - I believe your looking in the NW Newberry Rd area eh? lol (if not tell me .... and I'll keep lookin' as well  ::MonkeyTongue:: )

This is my take on he media right now. There is nothing to report and that is frustrating them. I am not sure if the media is the best place to get information right now, or at least if something comes out, it needs to be researched.

DD if you google 13844 NW Newberry Rd there is a house there accross from the red car on the map. its on private property Big house.. you have to zoom in but then you can see it good.

no I don't have them but I would like to have them to research about them and who is connected etc... if you could send them to me when you find them, I'll start digging... there for a few days I got so behind trying to reorganize info that I missed some things.  grrrr... but sometimes I have to clean up stuff and reorganize or we can't find it, and then I miss things.

Just so you know it is not just the tweets, many things at first are said to be not true or debunked by some. That is just what happens in a place with so many differing opinions and that is ok. You and D in Texas helped to get these tweets in the discussion and Lucky helped to bring them all together. I think that is a great team effort so thank you all for your hard work.

oh boy! haha I need to go get the link.  the police I thought said on the last presser.. witness's have come forward and identified those areas those times? am I wrong? I think the way I took it is they called in the tip and they want to hear more from the tipsters.

And here is an example of what I am talking about, and on many parts of the writer I have the same sentiment....and that makes me so sad!!!
http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/08/15/this-very-well-may-be-the-last-waltz-for-the-kyron-horman-investigation.php (http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/08/15/this-very-well-may-be-the-last-waltz-for-the-kyron-horman-investigation.php)

well not sure what I did to that post but nothing on it LOL

zippity doo... yes we are looking on newberry... trying to figure out where that address is that was on the video... it seems it is not valid, so wondering what address are in there, could they be part of the forest park... or is there a house inside the forest park... or is there some acreage there with no house for that address... there might be an address there but not showing up on anything because it is undeveloped land where no one has ever used the address for anything to show up on.

if we have a plat map it will show the owners and how much land etc...cali has some online I don't know about multnomah county oregon

ok ... yah cali has them online - doesn't appear 'so far' that multnomah county does.. I agree ...
BUT.... I did some searching about 4-5am this mornin' and I did find a few "property owners" on NW Newberry Rd (I posted link about same time I found the info btw, but I've prolly saved it as well)  and I take it from the video on youtube ... that its the GENERAL AREA of NW Newberry Rd he/she's pointing at, also I think the address on said video was random/undeveloped land .... after watching for the umpteenth time  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ... IF you want the addresses I have the info of ownership on - holler - I'm not really sure I'm comfy with posting here tho?  if you know what I mean?   I am still looking at other gov sites/etc for more info also

Good Evening Monkeys and guest!

Scandi..thank you so much for checking out what I asked about. You confirmed what I was thinking. Thanks again!

I really do believe she was not the one that walked out with Kyron. I do believe however that she watched as the person that did take him drove off and the plan was in motion. I do believe there was a plan that day and not a spur of the moment thing. I do not think Terri drove Kyron anywhere or DeDe disposed of him. These are the main players in this and I don't think they would take the risk.

DD, I asked what you thought of the Dr. D video on the last thread and you may have answered me then.  I'm too lazy to go find out what you said.  Obv I can tell from your posts now that you are on it.  Anything ringing true to you in it?

Scandi thank you for posting about your trip today. Funny about the ford F250, that made me chuckle.

My thanks, too, Scandi!

Sort of OT:  Here is a link to a video about Harry Oakes and his dogs.  I thought it was interesting and you would enjoy seeing it, especially you dog lovers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J41Y6_YQBI

DD down the street from that address I posted.. is on that video.. do you think what the video poster is pointing out in that video on that address is significant? I can go back and get the other address..
  its the part on the video with the car, person, house.. red sqaures pointing to stuff on that property..

Klaas

It bothers me too.  From what I comprehend from readng another site (Justice Quest? In-Sessions?) ... it appears that that segment of the video regarding Kiara being in Terri's arms was was edited out of the interview but ... the next day the related article was updated.

What is going on?

It appears that the local media is beholding to either Kaine Horman or ... LE.  Either way ... there seems to be some external controling entity  IMO

Janet

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Original KOIN Article

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
Last Update: 5:49 pm (August 13, 2010)

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"She just made it a point to show me his photo."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx


Updated KOIN Article

Grand jury witness shares her encounter with Terri Horman
Last Update: 10:48 am (August 14, 2010)

On June 4, between 9:30-10 a.m., Andrea Leckey ran into Horman at the Fred Meyer along Walker Road in Beaverton, sharing an encounter that was the longest they had ever had.

During the conversation, Leckey said Terri mentioned just coming from the science fair at Skyline School, even showing her the now well-known picture of her step-son, Kyron.

"The only thing that I think was significant about that time is that she showed me a picture of Kyron next to his project," said Leckey.

"I think the thing that seems odd about it perhaps is that we were just passing each other by and in a few seconds, with her daughter being sick in her arms, made a point to show me the picture."

Leckey formerly worked as a manager at Horman's gym where they spoke to each other frequently, but always briefly, too.

At the time of their Fred Meyer encounter, Leckey said she was being polite and making chit-chat because she knew Horman's daughter was not feeling well.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx

DD one of the address's on the video is 13804 NW newberry rd.. when you click on the red house you can see the car and person that was on the video too..

::HelloKitty::

Which video?  The strange one?

I know some people are thinking that Terri and Dede had nothing to do with this.

I ask then , of all of the people interviewed and questioned, why do only 2 of them have attorneys?

I ,also have to say that LE owes the public nothing in terms of their investigation.  Who are we in the scope of things?

They have access to information that we can't even dream of, such as the "sexting".

Just because we don't know things doesn't mean that LE doesn't have a whole pile of info.

Well I think LE should be invited to visit the cage and submit to a Q & A where some real questions are actually answered in 1st person, not just left to assume that "we" have a witness at Germantown Road, and assume "we" have a witness that saw the truck jump over the moon with the cow driving the White F-250!!

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LOL, d in texas!!!

sorry if Im reposting this I just saw this.. has it been posted? from the person who posted the video said...
Snip.....
musicworldnewstoday1
16 hours ago Discovery of pornographic evidence of Terri Moulton were found in 2001 being sold on Sprague Ave Spokane Wa under Private Video Collections. Investagators looking for missing person came across the discovery of minor girls being filmed along with films of Terri. Portland FBI already has this information.

I have ran into several people connected to buying dvds and selling them on dedes friends but I didnt see that they were porn or anything like that....

well I am still looking.. there are a few things in the wording that sound a bit familiar to me, which is strange... some things popping up that i have heard in other cases, which is weird... maybe nothing though, not sure... I'm after that location to see what is out there right there...

I just got on topo maps... there are roads out there that park area out there and some easement service roads for power lines...  now when I pull that address up on a topo map it takes me to what appears might be some kind of farm, I'll get a pic of it up here in a bit, working on it... I'm wondering if the vid person is pointing us to the park area... forest park..as the cl post pointed us to forest grove... I also wonder if "hanging in the tree" might be the name LYNCH... there are a few lynch names connected to people in this case.. one with michael cook and one is a tweeter with dede friends circles.  I'm curious if one is living out there on that road somewhere?  still looking at this stuff will post when I figure out more things.

Let me be the first to say I 100% believe TH is the "one" that put all this in motion that she planned it and carried it out, as to DD I think she is right with TH, I think their contact is in the NE area and came into town to do what ever they did, that is where I am blank and ask "what happened to Kyron"?  I think some very bad people are involved, while not disagreeing with anyone, we all have our thoughts and no one is wrong because we don't know what happened.
With that said I think that is where TH and DDS involvement ends, someone drove off with Kyron, not DD and not TH and the reason one key questions in the LD test TH passed>>once again "if" the poster was indeed TH or related to TH in the chat room that said she answered those key questions honestly and passed them.
Why all this was done is beyond me, but JMO again TH didn't have time to harm Kyron as say CA, she had Caylee in her trunk for 2 to 3 days while she thought about "how" to finish what she had done.
TH and whomever planned and executed this to the final detail....

LE will be in the cage tomorrow to ask Scandi about her White F-250. ::MonkeyDevil::

Seriously now...Thank you Scandi for taking that drive and your descriptions for us out-of-towners.

I think anything is worth looking at... i don't know if the vid maker is some kook or wanting attention or what they are doing, but it would be a shame that it is the way they choose to tell something they know and no one is paying attention... so I'm going to look at everything that might have to do with that vid and see if anything pops up that matches anything we know about. so anything anyone finds I would like to know about please

cool I'll make a note of that addres and research.. I'm going to start a work thread for this and gather up the info and work on it.

Jason Name Redacted - DeDe Splicher's Ex Boyfriend
 
Jason Name Redacted professes to be an advocate for children at risk and ... is involved with various children's ministries.
 
Jason Name Redacted is connected to the landscaping industry through his own contracting business and ... he has a connection to DeDe Spicher.
 
Jason Name Redacted shared in a July 30, 2010 interview with KGW Portland ... letters, cards and photos accumulated throughout a romantic relationship with DeDe Spicher ... a romantic relationship that ended over a year ago.  Could the saved momentos imply that Jason Name Redacted still has feelings for DeDe and ... could he have been manipulated into believing that Kyron was a child at risk?

On August 12, 2010 ... the Today Show revealed a short clip of the July 31, 2010 KGW Portland interview with Jason Name Redacted.  However ... the interview in its entirety is no longer available on the KGW Portland site.  Why?  What did Jason Name Redacted reveal in that interview?

In the name of justice ... in the process of elimination ... has Jason Name Redacted been questioned by investigators in regards to his possible involvement in the disappearance of Kyron Horman?  Has Jason Name Redacted's whereabouts on the morning of June 4, 2010 been established?
 
Could Jason Name Redacted be the weakest link in the chain of events to finding Kyron Horman in a safe environment?

Janet

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http://www.today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38673392
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/38673392#38673392

I guess I am just sick too death of the media, PERIOD! They have gone from reporters to gossip mongers. It is sickening. How sad is it that you cannot trust anything that they say anymore? Why do you think that people are no longer buying newspapers? I also find it incredible that there have been so many allegations planted without any proof. So, Terri hired a possible illegal hispanic landscaper to murder her husband? Ok, what exactly did she say to said landscaper? What was the exact converation that took place? Did the landscaper take a lie detector test regarding this? Did he pass? See, these are the sort of things that you expect answers about. If LE and the media want to put things out there, then how about also putting out the proof? Otherwise it makes me think that LE and the media think that we are just going to believe it because they said so and we don't have to have proof. Nonsense! Even more aggrevating? All of the inconsistent timelines. They are putting one thing after another out there. Why? Maybe I read too much into this, but they have given three different timelines for DeDe's day and made this public. Why? So they can eventually get it right? If so, why put it out there at all? It makes them appear to be less than credible and it also makes them appear to be right back to square one. I also find it hard to believe that the Landscaper at the school was just now talked to about whether or not he saw the white truck that day. If LE spoke to him in the beginning and he said he did not see said truck, why would they be releasing this now? It just goes on and on and on.

I do know Blink sent it to LE but it's good to see this person saying it as well.

Wow, DD, good thinking!

At least they did a little research. E Sprague Ave in Spokane is lined with...ahem...adult entertainment.

http://maps.google.com/maps?near=E+Sprague+Ave,+Spokane,+WA&geocode=CQEmmfTik5lRFW8w1wIdS4oD-Snn9t5XZSCeVDGO1Lqgjcfaqw&q=adult+entertinment&f=l&hl=en&sll=47.657071,-117.208501&sspn=0.258537,0.617294&ie=UTF8&hq=adult+entertinment&hnear=&ll=47.687117,-117.239914&spn=0.246834,0.617294&t=h&z=11

Why do you think all these strange to me almost cult like or satanic, haven't quite put my finger on what I am sensing...why are they tied to this case?  I know could just be some one with a sick sense of humor and too much on his hands, but I haven't seen anything like this is in some time....then you add the colorful backgrounds of some tied to ms. DDS and TH, and it didn't just happen it has been happening from day one with all the KH and TH postings, did they escalate to get the someone to hear them?

the video poster said terri strangled KH on brooks rd.. that rd is right accross the dirt rd where the pic of the truck was.. good view of a playground.. if you google map 11542 nw skyline blvd. you get a Good view of that rd brooks (a church on the corner Brook Hill Historic Church) accross is the school. you can see a complete view its at the back of the school.

Thanks Klaas. Im glad Blink sent that info.

IF this is true, that could be one explanation why LE and the FBI honed in on Terri so fast. I kept wondering what the posters on her "support" page were referring to when they kept saying things like "Terri may have skeletons in her closet, but who doesn't", or "Terri is not perfect, but that does not mean she would harm Kyron". I also wonder why when the media asked Kaine how he met Terri, he said he did not want to get into it.

Scandi, thank you so much for taking the time to make the drive and the time to describe to us in such detail what you saw.  It's appreciated.

Can't you just see a defense attorney chew them up and spit them out in a trial? 
"Well exactly when did you find out DDS was missing the first time you said it or the third time you said it officer."

I am so with you, and okay a child is missing, the supposed main "suspect" but we aren't going to use that word in LE only the parents can say that outload, has performed a MFH plot, with a landscaper, WHY IS HER REAREND not sitting in the COUNTY JAIL, and see how she likes that?

It is all beyond me, thank God Cindy Anthony isn't her mother@@

Klaas I wish I was good with copying the pics from google maps.. If you scroll around that address 11542 nw skyline blvd you get a good shot of the back of the school the play ground and the dirt rd.

I took it upon myself to send a copy of my last post to the Portland FBI.  Considering Jason Name Redacted brought attention to himself ... in the process of elimination ... I believe very strongly that Jason Name Redacted should be questioned in regards to his whereabouts on the morning of June 4, 2010.

Janet

Being my whole families receipt keeper, a receipt time stamp means only that someone in my family was paying at that place and that time, so just curious if fred meyer's has register camera's and if so did they ask for the one used at that time?
Just wondering if LE backed up her receipt with her actually being the one who paid at that time-I'm still not caught up, so the whole Dede addition and her details are new.

I got it I want the prize!@!!  She worked at a topless night club and that is where he met her......
 I don't know that but would make sense, have friends who did the same and made a lot of money, and they were addicted to the money and lifestyle.

I think thats Great Janet!

  I thought it was wierd how he came forward with those pics.. I really think he may have not been her boyfriend.. maybe he was. sometimes when people come forward the LE is looking so many other places until they connect the dots. Ive seen it so many times people will come forward and not want to be questioned or searched, so they come accross that way.  then they do later after LE puts the pieces together. < it was planned so maybe he was part of the plan.

 ::HelloKitty::

I wouldn't be surprised that terri might have done some porno films.  She certainly wasn't shy with the LS or MC, was she?

dd - check your yahoo mail - I went to your site on your profile here and used that email addy
compiled a list w/links of property owners I've found as of yet  ::MonkeyConfused:: still looking for more (just not sure I should post some info in here?) tell me if I'm wrong  ::MonkeyDevil:: (i just don't want some kinda "secret society" (looks out windows) comin to my door  ::MonkeyEek::

that does make sense... maybe those are some of the pics she sent to Mike cook.

 ::HelloKitty::

If she worked at a topless place or as a stripper, I bet she had connections to lots of shady and criminal people.

I see this stuff a LOT, but then I research a lot of cases like this... these cases have patterns... and when they start popping up people who are extremists about this stuff will get online and post... and a lot of times they post really weird stuff.. I think some of it is they want to tell things but they are afraid to come right out and say anything... but I also think they communicate this way to let people know they see it... I am not sure why they do this but they do... I have had people contact me and do this stuff for a long time...one thing I think is they know no one will believe them so they won't step out front and say it...they do it this way. 
and sometimes I wonder if it is not the perp themself who sends out info this way... I am not sayinig this person is a perp doing this, but I do believe they do it...

I don't know why people choose to do things but they do... and I pay attention to them... I know I sound nutso, but I've seen too much of this stuff to ignore it.

In the name of justice for Kyron Horman ... I feel that the connecting dots imply that ... in the process of elimination ... Jason Name Redacted should be questioned.  Something akin to all the others who have been questioned and eliminated as persons of interest in the investigation.  If I comprehend correctly ... all those are testifying before the grand jury have been question by investigators.  Why not Jason Name Redacted?

Does anybody know what type and color of vehicle that Name Redacted drives?

Janet

thanks, I will go through it and see what I can find... and if anything pops up I'll post it so you don't have to... that way they will be after me not you... ugh...

Hey Klass was over visiting our favorite sight and I guess they heard you, the not for profit, non profit seems to be gone!!  Double check I wasn't looking at the wrong thing...

Goodnight all I am out of here have to get up early have a job on site all week, not my favorite thing, like working on my own behind the scenes but money is important!!

So if some of my tweet friends will private message me if something important happens would so appreciate it, don't think they would understand if I had my tweet deck opened, I get the private ones on my cell phone...lol

Good night all!!

Thanks Scandi

Janet

 ::MonkeyDevil:: tanks .... my puppies say tanks too  ::puppy:: ::puppy::  (they almost as paranoid as I am  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ) having said that ... the ONLY thing that comes up for my email addy on Google is a Riviera car repair forum  ::MonkeyHaHa:: - last time i looked anyways  ::MonkeyEek:: I'm on it !!

Goodnight D  If anything comes up I will DM you. :)

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The white truck...meaning Kaine/Terri's truck...to a fact it was the correct license plate and all?

LOL, it's still there, it's when you search for it.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/TerriFBnonprof.jpg)

Janet...as far as I know LE has not told who has been questioned. I think if the news was interviewing Jason, then he probably has already been questioned and checked into. JMO.

Hi Hellokitty,  There could have been 2 mailboxes there but only one had an address so I thought it would be to that huge house.  I didn't see a house across the road.  I think only about half, if that, of the mailboxes on that road have numbers.  But you are right about even on one side, odd on the other.   I think all the mailboxes are on the right side of the street, probably for the ease of the mailman.

Hi Zippiddy,  Are they on Newberry Rd?

Hi DinTexas!
A DUI with her child in the car, and a past stripper could definately explain why she has not been hired to teach, lol!

Hi Scandi,
Thank you so much for your detailed trip! I know it had to be sad to see Kyrons face on that billboard and the school! Hugs!

You're Welcome Janet, and back at 'cha for sending in Jason's name to the FBI  xox

thanks Klaas, at the very bottom of the last pic is nw newberry it faces the back of the school where the playground is. thats the street the video poster said terri was as well. not saying she was .. but im glad to get a better visual on that dirt rd in the back of the school.

yes Scandi all on NW Newberry Rd - one is an 'underground garden'  ::MonkeyEek:: lol - not implying anything by any means :)

Ta Sebastian,  You know, after concentrating on Kyron like I was at the school, down Brooks and then Newberry Rd's, to see his face like that leaving the area it was really reassuring to me.  That allot of people got together to get those boards up to help find Kyron,  and people are still working to that resolution.  Pretty nice I think that so many people care about this little guy.

Now seeing the school and the soccer field, that was intense.  I actually spotted the church first and that was a breath taker.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Neat,  I'm anxious to look at the plat maps on that street.  I would have done it tonight but it has to be over 100 degrees in this house.  Gadfries, it is now just starting to cool down a bit.  BTW, DD's site is da bomb for research like that.  xox

DD this is the address's

Westwind Farm Studio: 13000 N.W. Old Germantown Road
Schmidt Family Farms: 4495 N.W. Saltzman Road
Olson garden: 13740 N.W. Burton St.
Lamb garden: 1070 N.W. 91st Ave.
Skyline Crest: 805 N.W. Skyline Crest Road


http://blog.oregonlive.com/kympokorny/2010/06/tour_of_beauty_a_pietro_bellus.html

this was an artical on June 3rd the day before Kyron goes missing...

http://www.gardendesign.com/living-green/portland-garden-made-dream-team-eco-friendly-designers

DeDe tweets..
@yogacowgirls hooray! we're in Garden Design! http://tinyurl.com/2bgqfrf
6:18 PM May 11th via web ..RT

Night ya'll! 

Do we know for sure that the FBI showed up 4 hours after Kyron went missing? I don't remember where I read that. I keep wondering about a ransom and if so, if that may be the reason that the FBI showed up so soon?

Hi Lucky,  Don't you mean Brooks Rd?  It takes off Skyline right at the church and is opposite the childrens playground that is out in front of the school, close to Skyline.  They have big purple and yellow plastic tubes and such for the kids to play on.  Boy, thanks for that x'lnt photo of the dirt road that runs around the soccer field. 

The school grounds look different now because of the time of year.  Lots of greenery and high grass.  These photos were taken either after the fields were plowed or before they were planted it looks like.  Now they are deep with wheat looking grass.  xox

Sorry for all the posts, but does anyone know the difference in the case with Rosemont and Westwind Farms?  Ta

Thank you! yes I mean Brooks..

Westwind was the farm dede worked on for months before Kyron went missing. she was called an intern there but she knew some people connected to that farm long before this.

  Rosemont is another farm in the loop of friends dede tweeted with ~ when dede did the cooking thing with ONCE rosemont brought something to encole JJ Gonson that worked JUN 8-11 still dont know the location they worked at as it was never posted. wonder why..

 rosemont says she never ever met dede. I posted the tweets betweent them before and the day Kyron went missing. Im not saying heather owner of rosemont is involved but those tweets need to be questioned. especially the ones on JUN 4 around 7:25.

I think it's probably just because Kaine's been cleared from the beginning as a suspect in Kyron's disappearance. What he does (or did) is pretty much a non issue when it comes to being useful in finding Kyron. From what I've read most people think TH holds the key to solving the where's Kyron mystery, so the focus stays on her. Most likely her past, her every move now and in the future will continue to be someones focus, in hopes the connection will be found that solves this case. TH's past could easily be irrelevant too, but as long as there's people throwing out scenarios like K possibly being sold to an undercover child porn ring, her past will continue being looked in to, as people will think it may hold the key to solving this case.

 :smt006 Hi All 
( I started writing this hours ago/ had three phone calls since - so if my post seems to be misplaced sorry)
Time Lines - Terri's accounts written in her emails. Granted I do not believe that these are her entire emails - but snips of her emails - Sent to Who?.  My words in Green.
Email sent by Terri June 5th, 2010 - according to media source
http://www.katu.com/news/local/100323934.html
"I didn't just drop him off, I spent time with him, took pictures and he was in safe hands " With Who? " I thought as I watched him walk down the hall.
“Kids saw him after I left Which kids? or was it the kids within the school/broad statement ?. Teacher put him as absent at 10am. Someplace between 9-10 is when we think it happened. Who is WE? “I have a receipt showing I was checking out at Fred Meyer 7 miles away at 9:12am. I went to another FM looking for meds for Kitty they didn't have at the first FM. Then I was trying to get Kitty to sleep in the truck for a few minutes, but no go, so off to the gym at 11:20. Out at 12:20. Home at 12:45. Kaine home at 2. Bus at 3:30. That was my day - they keep asking me. Now on my 5th interview with them ..." 5 interviews with who? within 24 hours of Kyron being missing
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Looking at this email and considering Time as an essence of alibi ( Day of June 4th, 2010)
First WHO would know exactly what time they were going to and leaving from (FM) - right to the minutes? The only thing that makes sense to me is that " One" who would recall what time they were to go and leave/go again to another place ( drive time) is that they had an appointment or a place they had to be at by a certain time. (where some responsibility involved a destination planned to meet with another) Therefore you would be able to " have in memory" exactly where you were within the times stated respectively.
Because someone was waiting on you, that it was your intent to be able to make that meeting on time. That you could be a day later, so specific in "memory" of the events from the day before. 
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vid of Andrea Leckey 3:33 in video - A.L. expresses she had to have seen TH between 9:30 and 10 am @ Fred Meyers ..because she was on her way to Border's Book Store, that she arrived at Borders before 10 am. ( Was this the 2nd FM Store that Terri went to, that she met up with by happenstance Andrea?, I am thinking it was the 2nd FM Store)
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Grand-jury-witness-shares-her-encounter-with/ZRn4GrYpt0a0BAxulU8rEA.cspx
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*9:12 am I have a receipt from the first Fred Meyers store ( I made a purchase)
Left and drove to the next FM store ( No purchase/no meds/2nd store???) No time frame mentioned. Yet she did land at the Gym at 11:20. Hmm. * Drove around for a few minutes, trying to get Kiara to go to sleep - NO Go - so I took her to the GYM...... (((( Notice she does not state if she was able to obtain meds for Kiara/that Kiara felt better after /its a dropped open ended statement within the email))). Andrea states that Kiara was sick and that Terri had her at the FM Store and chatted up with her, Andrea noting that Kiara didn't feel well / Terri though does not continue within her statement of account that she purchase meds. She does go on to say that she drove around for a few minutes ( what fingers crossed that sick Kiara would fall asleep?) so since it didn't do the trick.. she felt the best thing was to go to the gym. Dump Kiara at the gym daycare and work out from 11:20-12:20. * Any Mom of a 17 mo old in pain/feeling ill would do that.. ????  She states she was Home at 12:45.

Her proof of journey starts at Skyline. Her claimed proof of receipt is 9:12 am at the first FM Store. If it took say 15 mins, driving to the next FM store and she walked in, did not purchase anything, yet chatted briefly with AL. Say she left the 2nd FM store at 9:45/10 am *Missing time to her next land at 11:20*. She would not have been in the store very long. Her next recall of time is 11:20. ( with a few minutes to drive Kiara around to get her to go to sleep).  To land at the gym at 11:20 ?  Thinking of this, Monkeys .. she left the house to take Kyron to School. She drove him to School so he would make attendance. At or around 8:45 Kyron was to be at school. Kiara dragged along for the ride ( since it is said that Andrea L witnessed Kiara with Terri at FM) I am guessing the family woke up at least an hour prior - for Kyron to make attendance at 8:45. (With the statements on TH's facebook that Kiara had been teething and not sleeping/ her words)- ( My question: could her teething been the cause for the speculated earache / ear tugging?) Within her email that she states she dropped off Kyron at school, she continued her day without returning home. With Kiara in tow speculative. If you have a miserable Kiara with you, her day starting at 7:30 am ?. Would you continue to drag her around and then dump her with *daycare workers for an hour/Gym at 11:20 am out by 12:20? Would it really be worth it?  To then finally land at home .. at 12:45. From 7:30 am - to 1pm would one keep a sick Kiara away from home ?. When was Kiara given her breakfast? her lunch? Her comfort? Was it even a thought? irregardless if she had an earache or not. That's a long time for a little one to be dragged around, and more than likely out of Kiara's normal routine .. I would think.  I would be extremely fussy if I were Kiara being strapped into a car seat and hauled around from 8:30-1:00 ..with or without an earache.
 
A.L's accounts that Terri was not very social, she was not one to converse with anyone at the gym ..other than ppl she knew.  Common sense just tells me that she Terri was very aware of her surroundings/the people within the gym. More so a Watcher/TH and not so much social type personality. Quiet and reserved. A blend in, I go in and leave. Me wondering who or how many recall her being at the gym that day? being that she is said to be a regular.  The time frame missing after the receipt 9:12, after the meeting up with Andrea *possibly the 2nd FM store - is wide open. Her statement that she hit the gym with Kiara at 11:20 
( there is a slice of time that is unaccounted for, you might say) ... I would love to know who said what to Terri, to make her write such an email on June 5th. Kryon officially declared missing June 4th?  On June 5th, she needed some sort of vindication. That she felt " Everyone was against her" so she scribed and sent this email off .. for what reason and why? If she was interrogated by LE or who? 5 times as she states .. I would think I would be out of breath. This was less than 24 hours since Kyron was reported missing, that this email was written. With the seriousness of the situation if you were innocent (a outside friend may be needed to vent to). Wouldn't you though ask them to pray for you, pray for Kyron and not profess to them a detail orientation of " every move you made or didn't make " on June 4th ?   :scratch:

Frog Power Kyron   ::FlyingFrog::

oh yes, I remember these, had forgotten about them...

I'll get them somewhere where I don't forget them... maybe tomorrow I can look at those addresses and see if anything connected to anyone

I cannot stay awake... I'll get all those addresses looked up tomorrow... see who all is around there. 

I have to go to sleep ugh.. .nite.

Deenie .. as for this part:

I can only speculate as to "my" feelings .... guilty concious ? 'least it SURE appears that way... unless theres some really well hidden/covered up info nobody is aware of - and somebody "high up" needed a scapegoat in one hecka hurry ....  IMO 'til somebody informs us otherwise - speculation is pretty much all we have to go on eh?

nite dd tc  ::HelloKitty::

Goodnite DD. I like your things to remember thread haha thats a good idea.
  if you need help looking up anything or want me to just send me an email.

Thanks Lucky,  I think I saw that Rosemont lady interviewed on the News.

There are some excellent photos at this site of the school and all around the school, the church and the road right beside the church, the soccer fields that is level with the access road and you get a real clear picture of what the groundskeeper could see (more from the soccer field looking down the access road than you can see from where the access road begins at the main road and up to the soccer field...tall weeds mostly from that angle).

http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=151.0

and here:

http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Skyline%20School/
http://s780.photobucket.com/albums/yy81/gwenabob/Sauvie%20Island/

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t166/ubrmel/KYRON/

The youtube video that was in discussion -  :smt107
That Klaas made a thread for. I did go earlier and chase with Google " street view" maps -
NW Newberry Road.  I found many of the " clips/snips" shown within the video are viable with Google street view. 

I found the cars parked on the side of the road, I found the man on his bicycle, I found the house that is shown, I did as well find the " area of the man standing offside with a car parked within a private entry way". 

The one thing though that stood out to me, while chasing the photography within this yt vid. Was the roads. The roads were imperfect shown in the YT vid. Meaning they had scarring and or some work done to them. They have visible score marks or some sort of distinct mark showing.  Within my chase of NW Newberry Road the road itself - it is impeccable. From a point.
If you start from NW St. Helens Road and pick up NW Newberry -  the roads are not perfect, they have markings all over them, matching just as the video shows. 
Bike Boy can be found 12958 NW Newberry - if you head up to 12938 approx - you will see a blurb of something ( on the road possibly a leaf) that is in the video .. mentioning something awful. 
I am not sure what to think of the video on YT .. but again I am not sure what to think of the message written on Kyron's memo boards within his wall of hope. 
One message to Kaine, One message to Terri ........ very perplexing. And I might add quite ballzy.. for whoever has made these " statements" for all to see  ::MonkeyShocked::

I got behind and am trying to catch up but here is a good link I find to info about that road.  Property owners, addresses etc. 4 pages. quite a few in the 13700 and above range but not the one you are looking for. Strange but there must be a map of it somewhere.. In the meantime, hope this helps.

(Edit to add forgotten link-per 4getUnot: http://multcoproptax.com/searchResults.asp?selecttype=1&search=Newberry&Submit=Search+Property&f=1 MuffyBee)

Sorry I forgot to post the link
http://multcoproptax.com/searchResults.asp?selecttype=1&search=Newberry&Submit=Search+Property&f=1

I had thought that some of the pics she sent to Mike Cook were pics of her as a body builder.  The info out there was they were pics of her in various states of undress (they did not say naked but various states of undress) and those body builder pics are certainly a state of undress and very suggestive.

Isn't the FBI involved "automatically" in a kidnapping case?

The house shown in the YT video - you can use Google Map and Street view

plug in the approx address of 13844 NW Newberry Portland Oregon

Zippi
You keep changing your Avatar ..   ::MonkeyCool:: you will find one that you like soon enough.
Sebastian's (fingers in ear's) makes me smile ..  ::MonkeyRoll::

Scandi, THANKS for your beautiful description of your ride!  I enjoyed reading it.

Zippiddy BBM above gave me chills.  It seems to fit a line from that video > "a haunting cry comes from the ground while participants ignore the sound".  IMO if someone doesn't know something sounds like they know the area pretty good.

4Get - yah its quite creepy that YouTube video ... and I sure hope all the info entailed is getting looked at  ::MonkeyNoNo:: least IMO I think its worth a good go-over by FBI and LE

Deenie - yah I've got lotsa monkies  ::MonkeyHaHa:: BUT the animated gif ones gotta be small - so I try to find smaller versions

Zippi  ::MonkeyWink::
Monkey haven for photo's
http://www.corbisimages.com/Search#p=23&s=25&sort=0&q=chimpanzees

I listened several times and I could swear the reporter is saying LE aren't confirming it was DeDe in the truck that morning at the school.

LE does not have to tell us a thing. They do not owe internet posters any information.

The reason LE focused on Terri is because she lied to them about her whereabouts on June 4th. People who are innocent of the crime being investigated do not lie to police about it. She was focused on herself instead of Kyron,and had the behavior of a guilty person. I'm sure Tony agrees with MCSO, and the FBI. Terri is involved.
Kaine did not start out thinking Terri was guilty. He came to that conclusion during that first week. Her behavior is the reason she is the suspect. She has only herself to blame for her actions.

They can be involved immediately now.

"WHEN are the teams deployed? Soon after an abduction has been reported to a local FBI field office, to FBI Headquarters, or to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, or in other cases when the FBI determines an investigation is warranted."

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm)

Kaine has been cleared as a suspect in Kyron's disappearance. There is NO REASON to drag a grieving father through hell anymore than he's already going through. He should not be the focus of anyone's nosiness at this point. He's not the story here. And why would you think Intel would cover for him in any way? If he was guilty of anything having to do with Kyron's situation, they'd toss him to the wolves, and distance themselves. Kaine and Desiree and Tony are victims, and should be treated that way.

Maybe sending naked photos does not make one a murderer in every case....but it's a very callous and self-absorbed occupation when a step-child has gone missing. And when the sender of those naked photos has raised that child, she should be too grief stricken to even think about it. She was the LAST person seen with Kyron, and she has been acting in a very suspicious manner. That's why she's under such scrutiny. Her behavior is not that of a person who is concerned about Kyron, and who can't stop wondering where he is. She doesn't have to wonder, because more than likely she knows, so she has the mental space available for sexting games with her husband's old high school buddy.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: Wake up everyone! It's a bright new day. My wonderful alarm clock went off at 4am and today it is back to work.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am hoping that today they will find and bring our little guy home to his parents. 

Guess I need to get off my duff, make a drive up to the school and leave something at the wall before they move it. I know someone who lives up on Newberry Rd so I think I will ask if they have heard anything from their neighbors up there. I will share if I learn anything at all.

I will also keep my ears open at work. I haven't shared this before but, everyday it seems there are multiple helicopters flying around over the area. This isn't normal. It really upsets me to see them flying up and down the Columbia and over the hills toward Skyline.  I have a direct view of Hwy 30 all day long and from the back of the building I watch the copters flying over the river area.  Its very upsetting on the days when they are extremely active. I just keep praying he will come home safe.

To all you monkeys out there I'm hoping you will be able to move on to a new case soon. This one just hit too close to home for me. 

Good morning monkeys!

Scandi - thanks for describing your trip.  Be careful while you are sleuthing.
            Kyron's wall has an impact in pictures...I can understand how it
            touched you.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Where is that sweet little boy, Kyron!?   ::MonkeyAngel::

I totally agree with you pdh3. But then again that's no surprise, I usually do. ::MonkeyWink::

This is a good way to start the day:  (hat tip Deenie)


Frog Power Kyron   ::FlyingFrog::

I hope today is the day Kyron will be found.

Do you think there may be a possiblity that this guys video, although he claims TH is evil and all, could be a ploy to distract from the truth? I mean by bringing up all the human trafficking stuff and satanic stuff, making it seem so outlandish that people will start to think Terri is being maligned? Leading away from more logical reasons why TH would want Kyron out of the way, like revenge or jealousy and most likely stashing him or killing him.

pdh3 - I agree. 
I also think LE is entitled to run their own investigation, as they see fit.
Hopefully, they are on the right track.

ditto Muffybee ditto!

Good morning Lazydog.  Let's home this bright new day will be Kyron's day.  The day he will be brought home.

Thanks for the news about the copters.

Look forward to any information you can bring from the local perspective.

I will share anything I learn.  All this has been so disturbing. When this is solved I'm going back to my bubble with my wonderful furkids.  What great therapy they are.

Here's a pic of one of my girls making a young lady very very happy on her bday.  Notice the bday hat.

Klaasend if this isn't okay feel free to remove. Just thought everyone could use a smile.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y87/shortpig/ArielsBdayphoto.jpg)

Again not a Red Mustang but one horse power isn't so bad.

I would have never known that was what "The Pink Triangle "ment I would have thought it was a private part on a womans body sighhhhhhhhh

Success ... it made me smile   ::MonkeyHaHa::

And I would just like the link to where DeDe said this  ::MonkeyCool::

I've got you beat, I just thought it was a triangle that was pink  ::MonkeyEek::  Lazydog1 thank-you for the helicopter info.  So now am I reading this right, according to the maker of that video there was videos found of Terri and underaged girls?  ::MonkeyEek::

Me too  ::MonkeyEek::

What worries me, is what we've seen of Terri's indescretions -  pretty kinky - gives the potential of her being connected to some pretty kinky - scary people. I'm thinking in particular of the pics sent to Michael Cook. Not just a few - they said hundreds, right? And very graphic. What does that say about her, and what kind of people might she connect with.

 Remember that picture we found what was that all about?

Blonde - are you referring to that photo of someone dressed in drag on a German website that sort of resembled Kaine.  The one that Marinadave posted on his blog then retracted once it was found to be FOS?

Lucky7,

Are you still looking for DDS vehicle?  If WS growl press your ignore button.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5437931&postcount=602

Horman Case

Sleuths light up talk radio in Kyron Horman Case

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Armchair-Detectives-Hit-Portland-Radio-in-Kyron-Horman-Case-100663254.html

The comment section Kyron's BD is Sept 9 (supposely) that'd news to me.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Unless investigators had been made aware of any red flags prior to Jason's June 30th KGW interview ... why would DeDe's former boyfriend have been questioned?

However ... I suspect that some red flags were raised in regards to what Jason Name Redacted may have unintentionally revealed in that KGW interview.

Think about it.  A video of the interview is not available on the KGW website?  If it had not been for the short clip on the NBC video ... many would not even be aware that the interview took place.

I have emailed KGW Portland requesting an explanation to why a video of the interview for Jason Wisert has not been posted on the KGW website.  No response!

Janet

Janet

 ::HelloKitty::  I am quotig puzzler here'-" I had thought that some of the pics she sent to Mike Cook were pics of her as a body builder.  The info out there was they were pics of her in various states of undress (they did not say naked but various states of undress) and those body builder pics are certainly a state of undress and very suggestive."

I don't think "graphic sexual activity" is pictures of her as a body builder.

"Graphic sexual activity"  sounds-well, very GRAPHIC.

You and me both, Blonde.

Too much misinformation is turning me off.  It is 'Adults Behaving Badly.'

Not from Kyron or finding him, my passion for finding him remains.  God bless you, Sweetheart!

 ::HelloKitty::

I think the pink triangle is excellent information.  We only hear certain things about the Nazi's, so to learn that gay men had to  wear a pink triangle is something that should be known to everyone.  A great point of education and food for thought.

If we don't learn from history, we repeat it.  Seems a lot of people in society would be happy to see gay people wearing the pink triangle just as they did in Nazi times.  Except for the ones who scream against the gays and talk about morals and family values, and then they are caught with young boys somewhere.

I always say, "Beware of men who protest too much".

Lucky7, I have posted the location of enlocale's One Night Culinary Event (ONCE) twice prior to today. The location of the Portland (PDX) dinner was not a secret as you imply. Sleuthing the tweets is understandable, but misleading other posters into believing this was some sort of secret dinner with a secret location is not necessary IMO. Here are all the links showing that this was a publicized event and the address to North (the company in which the studio is located):

http://www.north.com/html/index.php/latest/once-one-night-culinary-event-at-north/
http://www.facebook.com/pages/NORTH/100472340148
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/one-night-culinary-events/
http://www.enlocale.com/wp002/2010/05/30/once-pdx-june-12th-2010-portland-or/
http://pastrypea.blogspot.com/2010/06/pdx.html

From North's facebook page:

NORTH
ONCE – One Night Culinary Event at North : NORTH : brand engagement for the digital and natural worl
www.north.com
We were very pleased to have been able to offer up the North studio to the good people of ONCE who prepared a 10 course meal for 62 people last night. Social media played its role, as I saw a post from ...
June 13 at 4:44pm · Share · Report

NORTH
1515 NW 19th Ave.
Portland, OR 97209

 ::HelloKitty::

1.  I wonder when there is no more "tabloid" info, how soon Kyron will fade into the woodwork like so many missing children?

2.  I wonder if the helicopters flying overhead have anything to do with them looking for pot growing operations, or do they just let that grow in Oregon?

I know in the state where I live, they do fly overhead to look for those big grwoing operations, and now would be the time that is getting close to harvest.

 ::HelloKitty::

I am a child of the 60's.  I was never into the drugs, etc, but one couldn't help but see what was going on.  For all of the peace and love and good tings of the 60's, there was a very dark side.

Methinks that the 50's was not quite so wonderful as everything thinks.  There were so many kids from seemingly "normal" middle class families that ran away from home and got into drugs, prostitution, and abuse of all kinds.

My hubby lived in Haight Ashbury off and on, and it was not all sweetness and light.

I know people in intentional communities.  My own daughter gets veggies from a CSA farm.  I grow enough in my own gardens , that there is no need for me to join any farm activities.

But I wonder if these farm things and intentional communities might not draw some people who are disenfranchised and looking for something  much like the seemingly normal children of the 60's got drawn into some sad and horrifying  situations?

 ::HelloKitty::  Hellokitty,

Thank-you for your little insight's. The 1960's were brutal years.   :smt109

I'm sure hellicopters could detect a full crop,too, wouldn't that be something, if true?
 

I was a teen in the 60s.  I didn't do drugs either.  I never even smoked "you know what" until I was over 40.  When I realized how harmless it was, I started questioning everything.  Then I realized what a sham it was to lock some poor kid up for a roach.

I would love to live off the grid, have rainwater collection, grow my own food, etc.    I envy people who are able to afford to do that.

I agree with you about the 50s.  They were just good at pretending everything was okay.  Unfortunately many of our politicians still have a 50s mindset.

Just think how much government funding could go to finding missing children, if our government would cease this idiotic drug war.  Can you imagine how many people they could find or the crimes they could solve if those resources were put to good use?

 ::HelloKitty:: Beary,

I don't pay attention SM saucy tart talk, until it is proven true. 

I really am more curious about how the Truck was obsure to by the path of the side-door.

Did SM bring cupcakes or cookies to school June 4?  Would she have had a big container with her to put Kyron in it?

I wouldn't question if she arrived with a vat and left the same way.  How else could Kyron be smuggled out?

::MonkeyCool::

I had an image of something like this when I was first thinking about Kyron, seahorse.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/2244-2-large.jpg)

I was born in the 60's but have older siblings who survived the peace love and what ever age. I'm not a big hippy fan myself. I've met a few that were harmless, older of course, and I guess well meaning types. (Blad and chubby too.) Of course when they find out that NO, Native American Indians did NOT smoke marijuana in them thar peacem pipes it really changes their perspectives much. That and how them people that truly were smiles a lots were most usually cast into the healing circle, well that really messes em up, royally.

...Just sayin.

There are a lot of those types that try to align themselves with traditional Native American Indian culture and often times attempt to claim they are "part" Indian with no real verifiable ties. Some even create what they believe are Indian sounding names for themselves. One of my pet peeves are the ones who create/concoct tinctures and try to sell them along with their fake ceremonies as authentic Native American.
I haven't seen that influence with what I have read about these folks yet, but, I got my eyes wide open for it, ...just in case.

Then Wyks found a photo of a large blue recycling container on the Horman's porch.  I don't think we have ever found out if the container is still on the porch.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.msg1181688#msg1181688

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/container.jpg)

The photo of the blue recycling container is on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8203.40

Oops, Klaas!  You can remove my link.  LOL!

Hi everyone....just showing off my avatar for Kyron. I hope he is found soon. Thanks Monkeys for all the info! Back to reading.

Hi Allie!  Perfect avatar!  :)

Thanks. I googled treefrog avatars and found it. I love it!

That is so cool  ::MonkeyCool::

I think so too. Very cool.

Klaas, where do I find your email?

It's very cool and very Kyron!  I love it!

smklaas@hotmail.com

I'm doing a bunch of stuff right now at home though so if I don't get back to you right away that's why  ::MonkeyCool::

Absolutely aweome! ::MonkeyCheer4::

I did post the links.. do I need to again? I dont mind diggin for them again.

Nana29, I like your avatar, too!  :)

Thank you!   ::MonkeyCool::

Oh By the way, GOOD Morning~ Afternoon Everyone! God Bless Little Kyron!
I pray everyday he comes home safe! ::MonkeyHeart::

and I love the frog power ! ::FlyingFrog::

 

Thank-you, Claycat,

I am going to sniff around if treats were bought to school on June 4, Science Fair Exhibit Day.  ::MonkeyEek::

Did SM send DDS to the side door to pick up a container?   ::MonkeyNoNo::   SM would not get her hands dirty.

The majority of us who live in Oregon have some sort of container for recycling pop cans, etc.
5 cents apiece. The grand sons who live with us help out(much like cutie Kitty in this photo) for "allowance"= reason to give them $ store money=reason to spoil them(as if we need a reason? ::MonkeyHaHa::

Thank you!  ::piggy::  I thought it was cute

No, I'll search your posts but I don't remember seeing a link where DeDe is talking about the pink triangle in reference to Kaine.  In fact, I don't remember DeDe ever posting anything in reference to Kaine.

Thank-you. It would be interesting to see if Cupcakes or muffins were bought to school by SM.

I will scout around to find someone who attended the Science Fair.  IDK anyone but maybe SF photos somewhere are available.

The big 7 on many of the cans?  What type of beverage?  Why is the brand name?

Thanks

Janet

big 7 s/b big K

Janet

Lucky7 - in this post of yours you are linking to that person nancy/42state that some have suggested is either Terri or DeDe but we have no way of knowing.  Where here are they mentioning anything about a PINK TRIANGLE?  What am I missing?  OOPS, I SEE IT NOW.

I don't know that this person Nancy/42ndState is DeDe or Terri or what their agenda is but they definately have one.

ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING but it doesn't make it true.

I understand. I have been waiting to get the confirmation from theinnsider, she is the one who said it was confirmed to be dede. d in tx pointed this out to me, and I guess I should not have posted it. 
  for some reason the innsider has not been on twitter or email in the last 2 weeks. I think she is prob traveling. I will not post anything anymore without the confirmation. I know she got it from the posts on articals that were traced.. it is possible.. can I say I believe her? I do.. but I am sorry I understand everyone does not know all the info I have behind the post.. Klaas before I post anything I will get confirmation. if I cant and know it is true I wont post it. sorry I made a mistake.

That would hold a very large amount of goodies,  ::MonkeyEek::, also if SM were to be carrying a container that large, I would think it would draw a lot of unwanted attention to her...

I wonder if she could have bought something like this at the first Fred Meyer. Although she said she didn't get her meds for Kitty at the first FM, she did claim to have gotten a recipt there at 9:15. What did she buy?

I was wondering why we hadn't heard much from DY's family members other than from her Brother.
Here in this report that aired on Dateline is apparently DY's Sister
Kelly Ramirez.

Dateline: Little Boy Lost aired July 26, 2010
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38420266...crime_reports/

I've been wondering that myself, Scatty! 

Th BigK brand(soda pop in this case) is sold in Fred Meyer, Kroger stores. Their brand .

Thanks Nana

Janet

Another puzzling thing: if Terrri got a receipt stamped 9:15 at the first FM, and Andrea Leckey said she saw Terri at an FM with Kitty between 9:30 and 10, this must have been the 2nd FM right? How long would it take to get from FM #1 to FM #2? And where in heck does Albertson's fit in this scenario?

 ::MonkeyKiss::
You're Welcome, Tamikosmom ::MonkeyWink::

Mandy(to my friends, whom I feel I have several new ones here) ::CowboySmiley::

Thanks for spelling it all out.. I had the site of JJ gonson with no address .. her facebooks do not have it.. (i guess in all fairness you would have to see my posts for the side of the info I was viewing)
  Im sorry if I missed your posts.. I did skip over alot of posts a couple of times to catch up.I was workign day and night to help DD with her threads on true crimes.. something I want to do to get an understanding to all of this as well as alot of people..
I want to point out that I am not blaming anyone, I think some are getting the wrong idea of where Im coming from... I am trying to bring to life the people and events that was surround by dede during the time Kyron goes missing and close to those dates as well as her connections ... what was said.. whether dede used these people or not it should all be looked at.
  I appreciate you posting the address and all the info. I will be careful to what I post here from now on..:)

Have a good day Mandy

Janet

Is this why she needed to truck and not take the mustang? Mustangs are not small cars, they have a trunk space and back seat right?

I posted this upthread, in a reply to Tracygirl.  It includes info you are now asking about:

~~~

I dunno for sure why the 2nd FM store, TG!  The info certainly creates more questions than answers.  Like you've said, the 1st FM store gave her an alibi.

If the meds for Kiara were OTC, I'm with you TG, why not just pop into the nearest store like Walgreens or something?  Why go 11 minutes down the road, unless it was for a prescription the 1st FM didn't have in stock?

Maybe the 2nd FM store was to cement in an alibi?  I guess it can be seen either way that Terri 'may or may not have' gone out of her way to chat it up with Andrea at the 2nd FM store?

Am guessing that Terri then went to Albertsons after the 2nd FM store? It's just a few minutes away.  Where/how else does Terri being at Albertsons fit into her timeline that morning?

"According to multiple sources, Terri Moulton Horman claims she left Skyline School at 8:45 in the morning without Kyron the day he disappeared and that between 8:45 a.m. and 10:10 a.m. she ran errands at local grocery stores and can prove it.

As KATU news first reported, at least two stores, the Albertsons on Hillsdale Highway and the Sunset Fred Meyer, are cooperating with investigators. The Albertsons confirmed it turned over surveillance tape to investigators in the case."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html)

The 1st FM store is in Hillsboro (Terri says she has receipt for 9.12a), the 2nd FM store (the Sunset Fred Meyer store referred to above) is 11 minutes down the road in Beaverton.  Terri had to have driven from the 1st FM store straight to the 2nd, in order to be there between the time Andrea said they briefly chatted. (somewhere between 9.30 - 10a).

It seems Terri supposedly was on the road driving around with Kiara and her earache by 10.15a.

Did she stop at Albertsons first?  It's just a few minutes from the 2nd FM store, and in Beaverton as well:
Albertsons - 5415 Southwest Beaverton Hillsdale Highway

The following from the timeline on klaas's screenshot

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg1207213#msg1207213 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8369.msg1207213#msg1207213)

"-- Around 10a at the Fred Meyer store at 15995 SW Walker Road.  Beaverton, OR

-- Between 10.15 and 11.30a on Skyline Road between Springville and Newberry Roads, or along Germantown or Old Germantown Roads. "

Kind of weird to me why Terri would go to Beaverton, then drive Kiara around on those roads, then BACK to Beaverton to the gym by at 11.39a.

"At 11:39 a.m., Terri checked in at a 24-hour Fitness in Beaverton on Waterhouse Avenue and worked out for about an hour until 12:40 p.m."

http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html (http://www.katu.com/news/local/99151549.html)

Nana ::HelloKitty::

Muffins would fill that vat up in no time, LOL.     :smt102  Perhaps she threw a coffee urn in too!

I need to find out if Coffee & Muffins were available for the parents.

oops that darn enter button!

She says she needed to truck to bring the exhibit however there was enough room to put that exhibit in in my opinion. I have a small car and I would be able to get that in my car and would not need to borrow my husbands truck. I got a huge mission project in my car along with 3 big boys, 3 back packs and my gigantic purse. So perhaps Terri needed to the truck because she was carrying around this container.

I just visted that alternate theories blog (my eyes! my eyes!) anyway whomever posts there sure is ripping into C.W. Jensen. I also saw some dirt thrown towards ret. McCain also somewhere along my random morning interwub route.
If everything being said is true then maybe MCSO needs to up the appearances of their own official talking heads.
OUCH!

http://alternate-theories.blogspot.com/

One thing for sure, Terri sure knows how to go shopping fast, with a baby in tow  ::MonkeyEek:: And if the baby was having ear problems, wouldn't going to the gym and putting her in a nursery there seem rather dumb? And if kids are sick usually places like that, don't want you to bring a sick kid in there, so other kids don't get sick.

Ok so it says they allow the pink triangle mob to harass those who do not go along with the mob....

So doesn't that mean they allow the anti gay people people to harass those who don't believe Terri is guilty? Or does this mean the gay people are harassing those who don't believe Terri did it. In other words is a pink traingle mob pro or anti gay?

I just went over there now with your link, who does this blog? For some reason I don't see a name.

Beats me.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm not sure No Rose. At the very bottom of the page there is a name but I think it is the name of the person who created the format of the page? I'm not sure.

Thank-you

This is that same person, the one going by the nickname of 42ndState/Nancy, the one some people thought was either Terri or DeDe.  THEY HAVE AN AGENDA.

LOL Seahorse! Coffee Urn!  ::MonkeyHaHa::  I was viewing form my perspective of someone who bakes weekly to share with work and customers...I think it would take me a month to bake enough to fill that container! Maybe I should rethink portions?
Either way, I think she(or whoever) would have need of a more reasonable explanation for bringing in such  large bin... :idea:
"Oh, just prepared to take home the science project"  :roll:

At this point, if all the allegations are true, I wouldn't be surprised if the current MCSO administration doesn't decide to hammer down on it. It sure looks terrible on them, even though it is "not" them.
And if the allegations are not true then the blogger might be facing some serious lawsuits then?

I would think that the MCSO would do whatever necessary to quell that nonsense either way.

I didn't know that, couldn't find a name on there, thank-you.

Klaas where do we find that bloggers name?

Well if she had places to go and no one to watch the baby then she would have no choice then to take the baby with her. That part really does not bother me. The fact she went to 2 different stores stands out to me, but perhaps she was looking for a specific type or brand of meds she can only find at FM so that doesn't bother me. Her saying hello to that woman doesn't bother me neither does her showing the pics of Kyron. All of that can be explained with simple explanations. Her going to the gym doesn't say anything to me other then she likes to work out and it is her release, ok fine she had a teething baby she may have been frustrated after spending 1 1/2 hours getting her to calm down. Nothing in Terri's behavior that day rings to me of her involvement, to be honest with you. I believe she is most likely involved but so far I don't think there is anything that we know of anyway, that will convict her. That is what leads me to believe someone else had the responsibility to disappear Kyron that day and he was not with her or left with her. Could be she meet up with whoever rather then taking that drive to sooth Kiara?

So what if there was someone at the truck waiting and Terri sent Kyron out to get something. Maybe she asked for him to grab the babies bottle or whatever so he did. Then someone grabs him, either drugs him or god forbid kills him and places him into the container that is in the bed of the truck? She then drives around with him, goes to the store(s) for an alibi then off for her ride to dump kyron or leave him where someone else takes him? Or I suppose someone could have taken Kyron away from the school and met Terri some place for that person to give Terri Kyron?  OR that person takes Kyron and hands him off to someone or dumps him.
Wow if they killed him like that, what a cold hearted thing to do, my goodness people actually do stuff like that? *Shudder*

The only part about the drive being an alibi is it also sets her up to dump a body so her alibi leaves her with an opportunity to kill and dump kryon. I tend to think that drive is covering for something else she did that day. She could have done anything during that time frame, gone anywhere, seen anyone...Everyone is saying she is stupid I don't think she is stupid I think she is smart and this plan was thought about and put together for a long time. I think dry runs occured and also perhaps the plan was foiled prior to the 4th such as the 3rd when she had the truck. so far with all of this she has not been arrested for one thing, that to me says if she is responsible, it was a good plan 

Does anyone know if C.W. Jensen is also retired? I know that McCain is.

If so it does make me wonder who it was that yanked their chain?
Media?

Her excuse for having it in the back of the truck would be simply she was going to take cans for recycling.

Quote from: klaasend on August 16, 2010, 01:42:07 PM


This is that same person, the one going by the nickname of 42ndState/Nancy, the one some people thought was either Terri or DeDe.  THEY HAVE AN AGENDA.

I so absolutely agree!

"Hey on a side note, the news channels all just announced you've got Stephen Houze! That's awesome (it's in the news so I figured I can text it),'' Cook reportedly texted to Terri Horman, according to Rackner's Exhibit A filed in court.

"Yep, guess how much he costs?" Terri wrote back.

 "Zillions?" Cook asked.

"350K," Terri Horman replied later.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html

Tracy

Kaine appears to agree with Terri's reasoning in regards to the truck.  I cannot locate the quote but Kaine told the Oregonian that Terri used the truck the day for transporting the project to the school for set up.

Janet

++++++++

Kaine Horman answers KATU's questions
Story Published: Jul 16, 2010 at 10:53 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 17, 2010 at 10:06 AM PDT

KATU: Kaine, why did you and Terri switch cars the day Kyron disappeared? Did you typically drive the white truck, and Terri the red mustang? Did she request to have the truck that day?

Kaine: I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron’s science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car, although she did not stay for the duration of the science fair - per her statements that the media has reported.

http://www.katu.com/news/98654424.html

http://connect.oregonlive.com/user/42ndState/index.html

Just adding up a little more.

Kaine Horman's lawyer has filed court papers objecting to his estranged wife's request to delay divorce proceedings, saying it would be detrimental to the welfare of the involved children and violate his due process right to the swift administration of justice.

Further, Kaine Horman's lawyer, Laura Rackner, said Terri Moulton Horman's request to delay the divorce while the criminal investigation into stepson Kyron's disappearance proceeds could occur "indefinitely."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html

I have no idea what their real life name is, only their OregonLive name (42ndState) and the name they are using on their blog (Nancy)

I guess I meant if she were to take it into the school, if it were left in the back of the pick up, it would not be an attention getter.

Yea he agreed to let her take the truck, easier with the truck then the car so I assume she had put it in the back of the truck? So what did she put it in to it didn't blow out of the back?

unless she had his project in the container? Then she would also have to leave with the container? She is a strong person, she could easily carry Kyron out in that container, no?

Thanks everyone. I am glad you all like the tree frog.

I don't think it is either Terri or Dede, but I think it is someone who knows them

(sorry for o/t -- Klaas, or a mod:  Clean cage needed for the Caylee-ites, page 51 filling up as we speak...)

I'm talking to myself here, regarding this new article.  ::monkeywine2::

But, I wanted to point out that when she mentioned to Cook that the lawyer costs $350,000, she may have meant that's his usual rate. He may have given her a discount, or something.

I wonder how Cook's emails were obtained by Kaine Horman.

You're not talking to yourself silly! BTW Excellent question. PS. Why am I not surprised?

I thought the August 25, 2010 hearing was all about disclosure in regards to the $350,000 retainer fee that Terri allegedly paid her high profile attorney.

Follow the money trail!

Janet

+++++


Kaine Horman's lawyer files text exchange between Terri Horman and Michael Cook
Published: Monday, August 16, 2010, 11:31 AM
Updated: Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:02 PM

Kaine Horman's lawyer has filed court papers objecting to his estranged wife's request to delay divorce proceedings, saying it would be detrimental to the welfare of the involved children and violate his due process right to the swift administration of justice.

Further, Kaine Horman's lawyer, Laura Rackner, said Terri Moulton Horman's request to delay the divorce while the criminal investigation into stepson Kyron's disappearance proceeds could occur "indefinitely."

"There is no guarantee when the criminal aspects of this case will be resolved (i.e in one , two, five or even ten years) or how long media interest will continue,'' Rackner wrote, in an Aug. 11 court filing. "Wife has not demonstrated why her personal interests should outweigh the best interests of the children.''

Rackner continued to urge the court to have Terri Horman identify the source of the money she's using to pay criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze. Although Terri Horman's lawyer described in court papers the reported $350,000 Rackner cited in an earlier legal filing as "grossly overstated,'' Rackner in response has submitted a copy of a June 30 e-mail exchange between Terri Horman and Michael Cook in which Terri Horman reportedly cited that figure to Cook.

"Hey on a side note, the news channels all just announced you've got Stephen Houze! That's awesome (it's in the news so I figured I can text it),'' Cook reportedly texted to Terri Horman at 11:20 p.m., according to Rackner's Exhibit A filed in court.

"Yep, guess how much he costs?" Terri wrote back.

 "Zillions?" Cook asked.

"350K," Terri Horman replied later.

Most of their text messages, presumably obtained from investigators, were redacted in Exhibit A filed in court.

Terri Moulton Horman's lawyer had argued that it would be impossible to proceed with divorce-related issues considering the ongoing criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kaine Horman's son, 7-year-old Kyron, and the "intense scrutiny and speculation" into his client. Terri Horman's attorney, Peter Bunch, said the resolution of custody and parenting time would require an evaluation of each parent by a psychologist.

"The evaluator must be independent, and the evaluation process must be free of outside influence, such as media attention and the scrutiny assocated with this case,'' Bunch wrote in a filing at the end of July. "Because of the current investigation, and actions taken by the police, it is evident that the evaluator, and his or her work product, could become part of the investigation, which would completely disrupt the evaluation process.''

On June 28, Kaine Horman filed for divorce and a restraining order against his wife, two days after authorities told him that a landscaper had said Terri Horman approached him in late 2009 and offered to pay him to kill her husband. Kaine Horman left the house with their young daughter, Kiara. He has since returned, forcing Terri Horman out of their home on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road.

No arrests have been made in the disappearance of Kyron, last seen at his Skyline School science fair on June 4.

An Aug. 25 hearing is scheduled in Multnomah County Circuit Court on the pending divorce and restraining order matters.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html


Hearing set on Kaine Horman's motion seeking source of Terri Moulton Horman's money
Published: Tuesday, August 03, 2010, 3:38 PM
Updated: Tuesday, August 03, 2010, 4:41 PM

The court has set an August 25 hearing date on Kaine Horman's motion seeking to force his estranged wife to disclose the source of her money for high-profile criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze. He also wants her to pay for half of his attorney fees, according to his motion.

The hearing is scheduled for 3 p.m.

Terri Moulton Horman, through her divorce lawyer Peter Bunch, said  the $350,000 figure that Kaine Horman suggested in court papers that she spent to retain Houze was "grossly inaccurate."

Bunch, in court filings, says Terri Horman did not borrow money or use any marital funds to pay Houze, and filed a counterclaim, asking the court to require that Kaine pay her attorney fees and costs. Bunch said Terri Horman does not now, and won't in the future contend that any money paid to Houze is a marital liability, and therefore, the court should throw out Kaine's motion.

The court may also consider Bunch's motion to delay divorce proceedings, citing intense media and police scrutiny of his client.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/hearing_set_on_kaine_hormans_m.html

My guess is that LE gave it to him.  Could be that Terri's cell phone and the records are in Kaine's name.

Thanks, Klaas.

Indeed, I read further and it says they were obtained from "investigators".

I don't know the law, but... I can't see criminal investigators sharing evidence of an ongoing case with a private party, to be used in a divorce proceeding.

?!?

Kaine Horman's lawyer files text exchange between Terri Horman and Michael Cook
Published: Monday, August 16, 2010, 11:31 AM     Updated: Monday, August 16, 2010, 12:23 PM
 Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian

Andrew Burton/The Oregonian
Kyron Horman's stepmother Terri Horman and Kyron's father, Kaine Horman at a June 13 press conference.

 Kaine Horman's lawyer has filed court papers objecting to his estranged wife's request to delay divorce proceedings, saying it would be detrimental to the welfare of the involved children and violate his due process right to the swift administration of justice.

Further, Kaine Horman's lawyer, Laura Rackner, said Terri Moulton Horman's request to delay the divorce while the criminal investigation into stepson Kyron's disappearance proceeds could occur "indefinitely."

"There is no guarantee when the criminal aspects of this case will be resolved (i.e in one , two, five or even ten years) or how long media interest will continue,'' Rackner wrote, in an Aug. 11 court filing. "Wife has not demonstrated why her personal interests should outweigh the best interests of the children.''

Rackner continued to urge the court to have Terri Horman identify the source of the money she's using to pay criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze. Although Terri Horman's lawyer described in court papers the reported $350,000 Rackner cited in an earlier legal filing as "grossly overstated,'' Rackner in response has submitted a copy of a June 30 e-mail exchange between Terri Horman and Michael Cook in which Terri Horman reportedly cited that figure to Cook.

"Hey on a side note, the news channels all just announced you've got Stephen Houze! That's awesome (it's in the news so I figured I can text it),'' Cook reportedly texted to Terri Horman at 11:20 p.m., according to Rackner's Exhibit A filed in court.

"Yep, guess how much he costs?" Terri wrote back.

 "Zillions?" Cook asked.

"350K," Terri Horman replied later.

Most of their text messages, presumably obtained from investigators, were redacted in Exhibit A filed in court.

((edited because OregonLive does not want their article copied in their entirety - they complained))

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html

Okay.  Regarding the discussion about plastic bins....


 ::MonkeyCool:: Look what I found:

Dede Spicher's profile on vermicomposters.com


 ::MonkeyEek:: Here is a picture of a "Rubbermaid Roughneck:"
http://www.enasco.com/product/WA22600

~ ~ ~ ~

Here are some comments Dede made on this site:

http://vermicomposters.ning.com/xn/detail/2094123:Comment:10284
 by DeDe on October 23, 2008 at 8:15am
    Okay, all right. Here's my confession: I'm seriously thinking of starting a black soldier fly (BSF) larvae farm in the Spring. Technically, these fly larvae are maggots, but the BSF is in a completely different league. If I found BSFL in my bin, I'd definitely do a happy dance. If I found any other type of maggot, the dance might look more like I just walked into a cobweb, or a swarm of bees. :-)


http://vermicomposters.ning.com/forum/topics/2094123:Topic:10152?commentId=2094123%3AComment%3A10204
Since I'm so new to all of this, I've been able to feed my new addiction by foraging through all of the archives here and on other sites like redwormcomposting.com. I'm also interested in the whole BSF larvae deal, so researching that keeps me preoccupied as well (for now).

My worm bin seems to be doing well so far, but I can't wait until the population grows enough for me to start another bin. More worms. please!!!

I think the general consensus of those living in the Portland area is that everyone has plastic bins similar for either recycling or gardening or something.  There would be no shortage of containers to hide a small body in.

Thanks Wyks