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Author Topic: Lively Case Discussion #542 11/11 - 11/14/2006  (Read 98487 times)
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2006, 06:16:14 PM »

Whoever SandraK is in real life, I rather doubt she involved in Natalee's disappearance.  If you want to know more about her, as Klaas indicated, go to RU or FOB and ask her your questions.
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2006, 06:19:19 PM »

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If I was an out spoken poster lving in Aruba/Michigan
The next county to Brough
And with some connection to "Automotive Enterprises"

I'd be looking at me also.

Florida - what makes you think SandraK has connections to Automotive Enterprises?


AE could mean many things.......
My impresssion of Sandra is that she has connections to "Automovive"


Well I try to go on more than just "impressions".  I have not seen anything linking SandraK to Automotive Enterprises.
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2006, 06:20:27 PM »

Their future:
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2006, 06:25:54 PM »

Shizaru, Because it is a discussion of something that probaly doesn't exist if the source was Joe T / Glenda / any of them that were looking at tapes trying to find the other suspect. Also, I am curious as to why you would go to that other board. Which was populated by the likes of Medley.

Klaasend, you are too funny !  !
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2006, 06:29:29 PM »

Need to run to the store, will be back in a bit.
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2006, 06:30:56 PM »

This case is confusing, with all the lies and innuendos the suspects themselves have put out there.  Then, when people read and mix up their information and post it, that tends to get confusing, too.  It takes some careful reading and double checking of facts to avoid making connections and links that just aren't there.  Thank goodness we have our Klaas to help us keep it all straight!
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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2006, 06:33:58 PM »

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This case is confusing, with all the lies and innuendos the suspects themselves have put out there.  Then, when people read and mix up their information and post it, that tends to get confusing, too.  It takes some careful reading and double checking of facts to avoid making connections and links that just aren't there.  Thank goodness we have our Klaas to help us keep it all straight!


Thanks AZLady - be right back!
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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2006, 06:46:24 PM »

Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?
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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2006, 06:50:58 PM »

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Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?


Shadow, Klaas probably knows!
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« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2006, 06:51:45 PM »

Is it the von Cromvoirt's company?  I'm not really sure.
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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2006, 06:52:27 PM »

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Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?


Shadow, Klaas probably knows!


Thanks AZ! I'm just curious if it is/was GVC's dad's company, OR another one I've recently come across.
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2006, 06:59:22 PM »

I really don't recall hearing which company.  I thought that Cromvoirt's company was security for the hotel strip, but I don't know for sure.
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2006, 07:09:36 PM »

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I really don't recall hearing which company.  I thought that Cromvoirt's company was security for the hotel strip, but I don't know for sure.


BELOW IS FROM THE THREAD SUNFREAK CREATED:

SECURITY –

VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van Cromvoirt – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.



The Visibility Team – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.
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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2006, 07:10:55 PM »

Does the casino video show who Joran was talking to before he sat down at the blackjack table?  Did he just go from the poker tournament to the blackjack table, as if he knew to go over there for some reason?
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2006, 07:14:25 PM »

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Does the casino video show who Joran was talking to before he sat down at the blackjack table?  Did he just go from the poker tournament to the blackjack table, as if he knew to go over there for some reason?


Lala's, we would know a lot more about what happened that night if we could see all of the casino video.  We know it exists.  ALE has seen it.  I would like to see it, too, but I don't think that will happen any time soon.  I certainly hope de Vries sees all the video, don't you?
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« Reply #35 on: November 11, 2006, 07:15:50 PM »

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I really don't recall hearing which company.  I thought that Cromvoirt's company was security for the hotel strip, but I don't know for sure.


BELOW IS FROM THE THREAD SUNFREAK CREATED:

SECURITY –

VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van Cromvoirt – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.



The Visibility Team – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.


Thank you, San.  That's what I remember, too, but I don't like to guess at these things.  I appreciate your verification.
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« Reply #36 on: November 11, 2006, 07:16:05 PM »

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I really don't recall hearing which company.  I thought that Cromvoirt's company was security for the hotel strip, but I don't know for sure.


BELOW IS FROM THE THREAD SUNFREAK CREATED:

SECURITY –

VCB Security  – Video Camera Beveiligingssystemen.  Security firm owned by Wilhemus van Cromvoirt, Geoffrey’s father.  The Visibility Team, supplied by VCB, is part of Aruban police that patrols the beaches by ATV’s, SUV’s and boats.  This company provides security guards and video security for the beaches, hotels, casinos and other businesses on Aruba as well.


Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van Cromvoirt – owner & operator of VCB Security.  Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands.  Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.



The Visibility Team – Private security team of VCB, police trained, that function as police adjunct to patrol the beaches, Oranjestadt & San Nicholas.


Thanks San! I thought they were the security company but wasn't 100% sure. I know there as been a lot of talk regarding lime or other chemicals being used to help with decomposition and odor. I found a location that is a chemical supplier appears to be close to the GVC residence, from what I can tell, I may be wrong. Curious who owns this business:

Wonder Chemical Aruba
Paraguana 10-C
PARADERA
Tel: (297) 5870538
Fax: (297) 5827778
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« Reply #37 on: November 11, 2006, 07:17:40 PM »

Shadow, you can find the owner of any Aruban business here:
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry.asphttp://
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« Reply #38 on: November 11, 2006, 07:22:32 PM »

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Thanks San! I thought they were the security company but wasn't 100% sure. I know there as been a lot of talk regarding lime or other chemicals being used to help with decomposition and odor. I found a location that is a chemical supplier appears to be close to the GVC residence, from what I can tell, I may be wrong. Curious who owns this business:

Wonder Chemical Aruba
Paraguana 10-C
PARADERA
Tel: (297) 5870538
Fax: (297) 5827778

Well who better to help Paulus dispose of a body than a former police officer and now the head of a security company who has a few boats.  This guy and Paulus have to know each other.  I wonder what this guy was doing the night Natalee disappeared.
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« Reply #39 on: November 11, 2006, 07:26:51 PM »

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Does the casino video show who Joran was talking to before he sat down at the blackjack table?  Did he just go from the poker tournament to the blackjack table, as if he knew to go over there for some reason?


Lala's, we would know a lot more about what happened that night if we could see all of the casino video.  We know it exists.  ALE has seen it.  I would like to see it, too, but I don't think that will happen any time soon.  I certainly hope de Vries sees all the video, don't you?


Indeed! I would like to know who Joran spoke to just before he sat down at that table.  We know Paulus was already there, so who was he talking to before he came to make the "pick" for the girl that daddy wanted?
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