Caylee Marie Anthony #186 3/24/11 - 3/29/11

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http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2011/03/can-i-have-some-fryes-with-that-clandestine-grave-detector/#comments


Richard Hornsby says:
March 25, 2011 at 10:49 am

The Frye hearings have been a disaster so far. Although I don’t think Vass’ work should come in, I don’t think Baez did enough damage to keep it out. To top it off, the motion Mason filed was moronic. Because while I agree that Judge Perry’s findings were very favorable for the state, they were nonetheless his findings. And Mason’s understanding of the law is simply wrong.

The depth of the defense team’s ignorance has made commenting on this case completely un-enjoyable. Because they are so inept, you can almost guaranty the State will win on every major issue.

BBM

 

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I found RH's comment interesting considering he is a defense attorney, and I am so curious what other defense attorneys think about Blowhole's behavior/antics at the Frye hearings last week. Something tells me they probably have the same opinion as RH.  JMO

So far Hornsby has missed many of what will or not be included and a lot of other points in this case. Again I think he is wrong about Vass testimony and I have no idea why  he thinks it should not be included. That particular science has been used 20+ years and in many courts. Just because Florida has never used it does not make it any less valid.  Sometimes I wonder what he bases his opinions on as case law has not been the main reason for his judgments. I am just glad he is not a judge.

[Shell]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/03/casey-anthony-hype-before-trial.html
Friday, March 25, 2011
Casey Anthony: The Hype Before the Trial


http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/judge-perry-denies-casey-defense-request-for-new-hearing/
Judge Perry Denies Casey Defense Request For New Hearing 03/26/11

LOL..now we all knew Judge Perry was going to deny the new hearing ..that he got his facts wrong and was bias was a pretty stupid move by the defense...they just can't make nice with anyone..not even the presiding judge in a death penalty case.

What the heck did Baez think the judge would do..this is one more ploy by Baez to shoto for appeal later..but it was a bad shot..it hit the target alright..then imploded on impact..just like he, his client and George and Cindy will be doing as these hearings continue..can't wait for the trial.   

Hey Baez..how's it feel to have been made a fool of in court by the dog handler and Dr Vass all in one day...whoot, whoot..who let the dogs out..the handler did.
 

I wish I wasn't having to say...I can't wait for the trial. But I feel as if little Caylee was my own g daughter and by Golly I want to know what happened to that sweet little innocent girl.

[Shell]

I believe this is him
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a904838200
Treatment as Combat: 
PTSD Survival and Psychotherapy - Mission Operation Peace
Author: William A. Weitz

Abstract
In recent years there has been a significant amount of development in treatment approaches for Vietnam Veterans suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Based upon eight intensive years of providing individual and group treatment for t a is special population, key lessons learned from combat veterans are examined In light of the similarity of the treatment paradigm with a survivor situation. The defensive modes of behavior war veterans bring with them into treatment are explored, as well as a consideration of basic therapeutic goals and issues. Understanding the unique qualities of combat veterans is essential if mental health providers are to be effective in helping them to reach their psychological goal of peace. 
   


Affiliation:   a Team Leader, Palm Beach Vet Center, Lake Worth, FL, 33461,
DOI: 10.1300/J294v06n01_08
Published in:  Psychotherapy in Private Practice, Volume 6, Issue 1 June 1988 , pages 35 - 45

Raises hand, waving furiously....can I testify to the fact that PTSD in any post war veteran..not just Vietnam, does not compute or equate to PTSD suffered by vitims of other crimes.  Meaning some people have PTSD because of a crime that has happened to them, rape, sexual abuse, 9/11 survivors..and some people have PTSD because of what they have witnessed and what they had to do to remain alive in an awful situation..war veterans.

Two completely different causes and two completely different methods of treatment would be used.

Comparing Casey A to a Vietnam Veteran is like to spitting on the flag. 

Case in point..if you have been trained to kill or be killed, trained to use a weapon and then handed that weapon and been told you need to use this to stay alive and to keep the others in your platoon alive..you are going to do just that.  You are also going to witness many acts committed both by yourself and others that you would never have..unless you were in a war zone.  Coming home from such events is never easy and for some harder then staying in the world of kill or be killed they just left.

Consider the fact that after 9/11 when the country was in a state of shock and many NYC dwellers had some form of PTSD , ranging from mild to severe ..crime diminished drastically and stayed that way for several months.

PTSD did not cause Casey Anthony to murder her child.  But she is going to claim it did.  She will claim this was her way to assure that Caylee was not abused by George or Lee, as she will claim she was herself .   Start the cameras folks because the state will wipe up the floor with that thought process.

She simply could have moved away and done the grown up thing of getting a job and any government help she could to ensure she and Caylee had a roof over their heads and were not physically near her family.

Considering she left Caylee with the A's night after night while she whored around town..this just won't fly.  She does not act like a survivor..she acts like an emotionally spoiled brat..right down to her coloring book and colored markers.

This was probably discussed before...but does anyone think the abuse by George and/or Lee really happened? She is such a compulsive liar, I hesitate to believe any of that accusation.

She learned to lie from someone. That is how I see it, I could be wrong. 

[Shell]

Yapping to myself again cya tomorrow 
 

[trimmonthelake]

WHERE is the court hearing???????  It's Friday and I have all day to watch.  Please don't tell me that new motion postponed today's show. 
 

The remaining Frye hearing will be next Friday, and Saturday.

Don't shoot the messenger! 

Seeme,if I had to listen to Baez all day today.....I would be drinking by noon. 
What do you think Finnell was up to yesterday when she mentioned using Danzinger and the other Dr. during the guilt phase?Did I hear right in that she said it had to do with state of mind at the time?

BBM

LOL..me to Trimm..once this goes to trial, then goes around comes back down...we are all going to need some sort of intervention....this is just too painful to listen too and watch..but like a traffic accident we can't help rubbernecking.

 

That's the truth!
I still can not get over Beaz and his behavior.He continues to one up himself in stupidity,and now I'm wondering if he is adding something to his Red Bull.   

[trimmonthelake]

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2011/03/casey-anthony-hype-before-trial.html
Friday, March 25, 2011
Casey Anthony: The Hype Before the Trial


http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/03/judge-perry-denies-casey-defense-request-for-new-hearing/
Judge Perry Denies Casey Defense Request For New Hearing 03/26/11

LOL..now we all knew Judge Perry was going to deny the new hearing ..that he got his facts wrong and was bias was a pretty stupid move by the defense...they just can't make nice with anyone..not even the presiding judge in a death penalty case.

What the heck did Baez think the judge would do..this is one more ploy by Baez to shoto for appeal later..but it was a bad shot..it hit the target alright..then imploded on impact..just like he, his client and George and Cindy will be doing as these hearings continue..can't wait for the trial.   

Hey Baez..how's it feel to have been made a fool of in court by the dog handler and Dr Vass all in one day...whoot, whoot..who let the dogs out..the handler did.
 

I wish I wasn't having to say...I can't wait for the trial. But I feel as if little Caylee was my own g daughter and by Golly I want to know what happened to that sweet little innocent girl.

Shelly,I am looking forward to this trial too.
I don't know if we'll ever know exactly what happened to little Caylee,because I still haven't seen anyone in that family with enough guts to tell the truth. 

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.bloggernews.net/126254
Casey Anthony Update: Defense Team Not Happy With Judge Belvin Perry
Posted on March 26th, 2011
by Jan Barrett in All News, crime


http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/03/casey-anthony-analyst-bill-sheaffer-bolsters-wftv.html
Casey Anthony: Analyst Bill Sheaffer bolsters WFTV
Caylee and Casey Anthony, WESH, WFTV, WKMG, WOFL — posted by halboedeker on March, 26 2011 11:46 AM
 ::snipping2::
Sheaffer is especially fascinating when he turns passionate. And, my, was he fiery in a Kathi Belich report Friday about Chief Judge Belvin Perry. The Casey Anthony defense team had complained that Perry was biased and wrong in ruling that the jury will hear Anthony’s early statements to her family and law enforcement. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.

Perry on Friday refused a defense motion to reconsider the ruling. 

Sheaffer theorized that the defense team may be trying to get Perry off the case. ”They don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of succeeding,” Sheaffer said. “Nor do I believe they have a snowball’s chance in hell of having this appellate court bounce another judge.”

When people talk like that, you do listen. Sheaffer is a real asset for WFTV.

What do you think?

[4 Donks]

I think that the defense is purposely aggravating JA and Judge Perry hoping for a response that will cause a mistrial.( or maybe they are just A-holes )

[trimmonthelake]

Thanks to Muzikman! http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94377&page=11
2011.03.15 Defense Motions for Hearing Transcriptions
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74800517/20110315-Defense-Motions-for-Hearing-Transcriptions

2011.03.18 JAC Response to Defense Motion for Hearing Transcripts
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74800649/20110318-JAC-Response-to-Defense-Motion-for-Hearing-Transcripts

2011.03.21 Defense 3rd Penalty Phase Discovery Response
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74800741/20110321-Defense-3rd-Penalty-Phase-Discovery-Response

2011.03.22 Defense Motion for Leave to File Additional Witnesses
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74800915/20110322-Defense-Motion-for-Leave-to-File-Additional-Witnesses

2011.03.22 Defense Motion Clarifying Motion for Leave For Additional Witnesses
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74800968/20110322-Defense-Motion-Clarifying-Motion-for-Leave-For-Additional-Witnesses

03/18/2011 SA Provision of Discovery
Discovery Document Page 24699 - "Affidavit of Professional Journalist" (NOTE: Recordings and photographs were previously provided to defense)

2011.03.23 Court Minutes
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74801386/20110323-Court-Minutes

2011.03.23 Hearing Evidence Control Sheets
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/74801439/20110323-Hearing-Evidence-Control-Sheets

03/23/2011 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITIONS
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7DjeAMt_BpIZjg5YWE3NjMtZDA5Mi00ZDQ4LWFhMjQtYjQxNTY2N2MyZWVj&hl=en

03/22/2011 SUPPLEMENTAL STATE WITNESS LIST
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B7DjeAMt_BpIMTk5ZTY5YmQtNGQ0NC00MDBjLTk5ZjctZTUwNWEwZTNmNjVl&hl=en

[trimmonthelake]

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/egg-tree-news-investigates-is-the-anthony-defense-team-partying-with-charlie-sheen/
Egg Tree News Investigates: Is the Anthony Defense Team Partying With Charlie Sheen?
Posted March 23, 2011 by eggtreenews in Uncategorized. Tagged: Satire news, Parody News, Casey Anthony, Caylee Anthony, jose baez, eggtreenews, anthony defense. 23 Comments

[Desdemona]

I did not remember the knife they found with the body. Did anyone else?

That is not a knife; I believe it is a stock photo which illustrates a post-mortem root band on a single hair from a deceased person.

http://www.hairfactz.com/hairfactz_definitions.html
(At this link, under "p" for "Post-mortem banding)"

[cheeky monkey]

Hi monkeys!!! My guess is any testimony used in the actual trial about PTSD will be used to TRY to explain her behavior after the supposed kidnapping, rather than as an explanation for Caylee being murdered.  The penalty phase will be different and if there are any allegations of abuse within the family then the PTSD might be argued as a reason or contributing factor for the crime.  But for the actual trial since she is claiming she did not do it, she can't turn around and say this is what caused me to do it.  However, at the same time, the defense will need to present some reason for a innocent mother to behave (partying when her child is missing, not reporting it, lying to police) as she did and my guess is they are going to argue that rather than consciousness of guilt her behavior could be consistent with someone who was traumatized after their child was kidnapped.  A FAR stretch - yes, but in my opinion that is all they have at this point.

Now that it has been decided that her statements to police and family can be introduced, I can't imagine any possible chance of successfully defending her.  She really is the only person who could possibly try to explain the lies and behavior regarding Caylee being missing.  Even if an expert testifies to behavior of someone suffering from PTSD, I think ANY jury would want to hear from her and it is pretty obvious the defense cannot put her on the stand.

So, all that being said - Casey really is not a criminal master mind, that is obvious.  Also, all the above is just my opinion about how I feel the defense is approaching this and not my personal feelings about her guilt. 

[monkalicious]

Good Morning, Monkeys!  So what is this Dominic Casey deposition all about?  I thought that this had already been done.  I wonder if Cindy and George are sweating right now...I don't think they treated him very well, (or maybe she treated him too well, if you know what I mean,)  and certainly he was never paid.  Does Baez get to sit in on this one?

[crazybabyborg]

Yapping to myself again cya tomorrow 
 

I hear you, Shell; just in delayed time lapse! 

I agree with you, too!   

[Gypsy DD]

Okay time to vent..who else here is sick of seeing Casey act like she's some lawyer on this case instead of being on trial!  I happen to think that this won't convey well to the jurors.  I agree with participation in your case but to me this is just beyond the reams.  There's no emotion more like this all isn't happening to me or about me attitude..sorry just had to vent!

It makes me angry.  Very angry.  She's distancing herself from any responsibility by 'playing' the lawyer.  It would be like going to the doctor and 'playing' nurse on yourself.  How stupid would it be to take your own temp, bp, blood?  It tells me that she sees this as just another game in her pitiful life.  Just like she played her parents, friends, boyfriends, etc.  She's nothing but a lie.

LOL..I want to know when the huge black rimmed glasses are going to be seen again..is it my imagination or wasn't there a pic of her very early on in the case standing outside Baez office with him and the group..wearing a white shirt, gray or black slacks and huge, bold black glasses to make her look studious? 

[Gypsy DD]

I believe this is him
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a904838200
Treatment as Combat: 
PTSD Survival and Psychotherapy - Mission Operation Peace
Author: William A. Weitz

Abstract
In recent years there has been a significant amount of development in treatment approaches for Vietnam Veterans suffering from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). Based upon eight intensive years of providing individual and group treatment for t a is special population, key lessons learned from combat veterans are examined In light of the similarity of the treatment paradigm with a survivor situation. The defensive modes of behavior war veterans bring with them into treatment are explored, as well as a consideration of basic therapeutic goals and issues. Understanding the unique qualities of combat veterans is essential if mental health providers are to be effective in helping them to reach their psychological goal of peace. 
   


Affiliation:   a Team Leader, Palm Beach Vet Center, Lake Worth, FL, 33461,
DOI: 10.1300/J294v06n01_08
Published in:  Psychotherapy in Private Practice, Volume 6, Issue 1 June 1988 , pages 35 - 45

Raises hand, waving furiously....can I testify to the fact that PTSD in any post war veteran..not just Vietnam, does not compute or equate to PTSD suffered by vitims of other crimes.  Meaning some people have PTSD because of a crime that has happened to them, rape, sexual abuse, 9/11 survivors..and some people have PTSD because of what they have witnessed and what they had to do to remain alive in an awful situation..war veterans.

Two completely different causes and two completely different methods of treatment would be used.

Comparing Casey A to a Vietnam Veteran is like to spitting on the flag. 

Case in point..if you have been trained to kill or be killed, trained to use a weapon and then handed that weapon and been told you need to use this to stay alive and to keep the others in your platoon alive..you are going to do just that.  You are also going to witness many acts committed both by yourself and others that you would never have..unless you were in a war zone.  Coming home from such events is never easy and for some harder then staying in the world of kill or be killed they just left.

Consider the fact that after 9/11 when the country was in a state of shock and many NYC dwellers had some form of PTSD , ranging from mild to severe ..crime diminished drastically and stayed that way for several months.

PTSD did not cause Casey Anthony to murder her child.  But she is going to claim it did.  She will claim this was her way to assure that Caylee was not abused by George or Lee, as she will claim she was herself .   Start the cameras folks because the state will wipe up the floor with that thought process.

She simply could have moved away and done the grown up thing of getting a job and any government help she could to ensure she and Caylee had a roof over their heads and were not physically near her family.

Considering she left Caylee with the A's night after night while she whored around town..this just won't fly.  She does not act like a survivor..she acts like an emotionally spoiled brat..right down to her coloring book and colored markers.

This was probably discussed before...but does anyone think the abuse by George and/or Lee really happened? She is such a compulsive liar, I hesitate to believe any of that accusation.

She learned to lie from someone. That is how I see it, I could be wrong. 

The abuse, in my opinion Shell never happened..not for one NY minute.  She used that trump card in the past to get sympathy from old boyfriends..just when they were ready to walk out the door.  I do feel she may have been victim of some verbal and emotional abuse from Cindy..maybe even physical in a crack up side the head....but you know what today is abuse..20 years ago it was the norm..kids misbehaved they got yelled at, spanked, smacked or timeout.  You'd be hard pressed to find someone her age that had not at some point been either spanked, smacked or yelled at with raised voices.....we are going to hear that this was abusive behavior by Cindy.   Personally..I don't think that is going to float the jurys boat either.  They will al have been children at some point and all have been punished at some point..so there you go.

She shows no characteristics of a sexual abuse survivor nor a incest survivor.

She is however a compulsive liar and has infinite manipulation skills..in a word this girl is not book smart...but she isn't dumb either..she is street smart..she knows how to make things appear like they never happened or if they happened it wasn't her fault, and she can turn that on in a nano second.  Unfortuneately we are going to see just how far under the bus she is willing to throw her family..and because George and Cindy feel terrible about having to take part in the DP case..they will comply with whatever Baez asks....it ain't gonna be pretty..but as always with the A family..it ain't gonna be the truth either.

 

[Brandi]

Okay time to vent..who else here is sick of seeing Casey act like she's some lawyer on this case instead of being on trial!  I happen to think that this won't convey well to the jurors.  I agree with participation in your case but to me this is just beyond the reams.  There's no emotion more like this all isn't happening to me or about me attitude..sorry just had to vent!

It makes me angry.  Very angry.  She's distancing herself from any responsibility by 'playing' the lawyer.  It would be like going to the doctor and 'playing' nurse on yourself.  How stupid would it be to take your own temp, bp, blood?  It tells me that she sees this as just another game in her pitiful life.  Just like she played her parents, friends, boyfriends, etc.  She's nothing but a lie.

LOL..I want to know when the huge black rimmed glasses are going to be seen again..is it my imagination or wasn't there a pic of her very early on in the case standing outside Baez office with him and the group..wearing a white shirt, gray or black slacks and huge, bold black glasses to make her look studious? 

Not your imagination at all.

[KittyMom]

I've been thinking about last week's mess of a Frye hearing and I realized something.  The defense motion that was filed on Thursday is a last ditch effort to actually have a case.  They obviously can't rely on the innocence of the defendant or on their own legal expertise.  They can't prove investigative ineptness or unproven scientific methodology.  They essentially have no defense of their client so they are left with judicial bias as their only defense.  When the guilty verdict is presented, there will be no room for an appeal.  The defense is paving the road the death chamber for KC. 

[crazybabyborg]

I've been thinking about last week's mess of a Frye hearing and I realized something.  The defense motion that was filed on Thursday is a last ditch effort to actually have a case.  They obviously can't rely on the innocence of the defendant or on their own legal expertise.  They can't prove investigative ineptness or unproven scientific methodology.  They essentially have no defense of their client so they are left with judicial bias as their only defense.  When the guilty verdict is presented, there will be no room for an appeal.  The defense is paving the road the death chamber for KC. 

Yep and it's an appropriate end for murdering Caylee.

[Mary Ann]

Something just does not add up. George and Cindy know the smell of decomp. They know the baby is missing and yet Cindy calls the Police and says it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car?  Cindy takes evidence out of the car and cleans....Why did they not just burn the car if they were covering up for Casey. It just does not make sense. Either you are turning her in or you are covering up a crime. But playing it both ways just confuses me.