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« Reply #140 on: October 03, 2008, 03:11:28 PM »

Casey's behavior has been bizarre by anyone's standards.  Behavior before and after a murder is allowable in court.  Perhaps the paternity of her child is a big part of her behavior.  I should think having a father just walk away and want no part of you or the child would be the height of abandonment and rejection.  We do not know if this happened, but Cindy said once that it did.  Likewise to have a father who wanted to be part of your life and the child's life only to be run off by your domineering mother might also be very traumatic and life-altering.  Finally if she has no idea who the father is, I think that would be very lonely and heartbreaking for her, because eventually Casey would ask, Who is my father?  I might also add that lying and secrets are very damaging to the soul and the psyche.  If Caylee was a product of incest, that of course would contribute mightily to Casey's emotional and mental behavior and health.
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« Reply #141 on: October 03, 2008, 03:11:29 PM »

Maybe someone like the Chief of Police, or the Mayor............
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« Reply #142 on: October 03, 2008, 03:11:47 PM »

higherhopes - are you sources saying anything more? 

hh has sources??   guess I missed that too...... it's so much easier to keep up on things now that we are keeping on topic..I missed a lot trying to wade through ....
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« Reply #143 on: October 03, 2008, 03:11:47 PM »

Padilla said there was incest involved, so if he knows they know who the father is then I'm sure LP knows who it is but he legally can't say. That's ok. It's either George or Lee or the creepy grandfather (I doubt).

Since George screamed "the person in the trunk is not my granddaughter" he basically made a public Freudian slip and admitted his paternal role of Caylee. I think. Maybe that's why he is so desperate to find his dead "daughter" and was cheating on his wife because he had such a big secret.

I don't know how this will come out in the trial, if it really matters. It's really a personal issue unless they are going to charge George with incest after Casey is tried. Maybe Casey will cut a deal and testify against her father in exchange for her life. Which would fall into Padilla's description of wild turns in this case.

jj can you supply a link where LP says there was incest involved??  TIA
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Leonard Padilla drops a bomb on the Nancy Grace Show « Caylee Anthony
Padilla says the reference “Zanny the Nanny” is from the book “Double Trouble ... There are not necessarily physical abnormalities in an incest child. ...
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« Reply #144 on: October 03, 2008, 03:12:04 PM »

Remember that guy in Austria who kept his daughter and the children he fathered in the basement? Incest happens and involves control over the molested relative.
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« Reply #145 on: October 03, 2008, 03:12:09 PM »

JMO:   If it were anyone outside the Anthony family LE would have notified this man or his family by now.  The father or family would definitely have a lawyer by now to protect their rights or to start preparing a wrongful death suit, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY:  I believe the father and his family would have come forward by now to start searching for Caylee and show they care unlike the Anthony family.
If the father were Hawkins I think Casey would have told him....no reason not to...she tried to pin it on Jesse....and she had an ongoing relationship with him, so why not tell him.  She could have definitely used the child support.
this is a great post, I bet they would come out unless LE has informed him/the family that Caylee is deceased and asked them to wait until they rearrest her to make anything public.  Even so, I think I'd want her remains found and I'd be screaming it, so in that case I think LE may want someone to come out.
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« Reply #146 on: October 03, 2008, 03:13:31 PM »

Lesee.... hmmmm shocking..... shocking.... what would be shocking as far as the daddy goes.

Well we do know that KC was preggers since we have witnesses to that, so Caylee is hers at least.

I just can't find anything shocking about one of her "boy toys" or just a regular guy being the daddy. I'm thinking public figure of some kind or family... that's all I got.
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« Reply #147 on: October 03, 2008, 03:13:59 PM »

Witness List In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 6:02 pm EDT October 1, 2008

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7847

This has All Names listed that are Potential Witnesses or are to be Witnesses
Too many to copy and paste.


Edited to add:  HFTM is a great site but are you aware we have a document thread here at SM and the witness list is posted there as well?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3438.msg479882#msg479882
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« Reply #148 on: October 03, 2008, 03:14:04 PM »

If i even thought my husband and daughter were involved (at Caseys age) I would kick them both out and try to get custody of the baby.

I would kill the husband, get the daughter counseling, adopt the baby...and probably leave town, change my name and give the baby a new chance in life
Unfortunately most wives aren't as strong as you. Instead you have a Cindy who forgives and tries to work it out... a total enabler!!!
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« Reply #149 on: October 03, 2008, 03:14:51 PM »

Casey's behavior has been bizarre by anyone's standards.  Behavior before and after a murder is allowable in court.  Perhaps the paternity of her child is a big part of her behavior.  I should think having a father just walk away and want no part of you or the child would be the height of abandonment and rejection.  We do not know if this happened, but Cindy said once that it did.  Likewise to have a father who wanted to be part of your life and the child's life only to be run off by your domineering mother might also be very traumatic and life-altering.  Finally if she has no idea who the father is, I think that would be very lonely and heartbreaking for her, because eventually Casey would ask, Who is my father?  I might also add that lying and secrets are very damaging to the soul and the psyche.  If Caylee was a product of incest, that of course would contribute mightily to Casey's emotional and mental behavior and health.

I would like to know how Casey was planning to explain that to her child- who her father really was. (What kind of BS she would have made up).
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« Reply #150 on: October 03, 2008, 03:15:16 PM »

this is a great post, I bet they would come out unless LE has informed him/the family that Caylee is deceased and asked them to wait until they rearrest her to make anything public.  Even so, I think I'd want her remains found and I'd be screaming it, so in that case I think LE may want someone to come out.
That would be great!  He would take some of the spot light off Casey for a change...maybe then she would feel pressure to get back in the spotlight and show her hand of cards!
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« Reply #151 on: October 03, 2008, 03:15:44 PM »

Here is the phone timeline from the 16 - 18th - including tower locations
Please feel free to add or change any info.  (my eyes are wearing out from the small print).....

June 16th

at home all morning
12:55 p.m. - Tony text KC (still at home)
1:00 pm - Tony called (talked 13 min) no longer at home
1:26 pm - called Jesse (no ans) back at home
1:27 - Jesse text KC - home
1:44 - called Amy (36 minutes) home
2:52 - Jesse called (11 min) home
3:04 - called George's cell -na - home
3:35 - called Tony - na - home
4:10 - called Cindy's wk - home
4:11 - 2 calls to Cindy's cell - still at home
4:13 - 2 calls to Cindy's cell - still at home
4:14 - called Cindy's work (2 min) home
4:18 - Text Tony (left home) around Orlando Hospital
4:19 - Tony text - OHosp
4:19 - called Jesse - na - Ohosp
4:21 - called Jesse (1 min) - Ohosp
4:25 - called Cindy's cell - na - Old Cheney Hwy
4:53 - Text ? - Old Cheney Hwy
5:57 pm - Text - (at or around Tony's)
6:31 - called Cindy's cell - tony's
6:32 - called Cindy's cell - Tony's
7:06 - called home (1 min) - tony's
7:20 - called Amy - na - Tony's
7:21 - called Amy (30 sec) - Tony's
8:03 - Hawkins called - na - (no area shown)
9:04 - Colonial Drive & Forsyth - TES Searched
10:45 - Colonial Drive & Forsyth - TES Searched
11:17 - Amy called  - na - Colonial Drive & Forsyth

     No other calls until...........

June 17th
11:05 a.m. - called Amy (8 minutes) - Tony's
11:27 - 11:30 Text from/to Amy - tony's
12:40 p.m. - text - still at tony's
2:12 - called Lexus Dealer - Tony's
2:18 - called Amy - Tony's
2:29 - called Ricardo (1 min) at home
2:44 -called Tony - na -
2:45 - called 1143 - na
2.45 - called 1143 - (4 sec) home
2:49 - Tony called (1 min) home
3:47 - Tony text KC - home
3:53 - KC text Tony - TCP - The industrial area I posted a couple of days ago
3:54 - Tony text KC - TCP (by airport)
3:55 - KC text Tony
3:55 - Tony text KC
3:56 - KC text Tony - Home
4:05 - calls Tony - na - home
4:36 - 5123 text KC - I believe Blanchard Park area
5:20 - called 9699 - Blanchard Park
5:23 - 9700 called KC - na - Blanchard Park
 nothing til
8:23 pm - text to casey - Tony's
8:38 - text to Tony - Tony's
texting people til 12:30 a.m. - still at Tony's


June 18th
7:55 a.m. - text - Old Cheney HWY
9:01 am - text - Old Cheney HWY
10:31 - back at Tonys
10:52 - text Cindy - Tonys
12:33 - called Cindys wk - Old Cheney HWY
12:34 - called Cindy's cell -na
12:35 - called home - na - Old Cheney HWY
12:36 - called Georges cell - na - Old Cheney HWY
1:09 p.m. - called Cindy's cell (2 min) Tony's
1:11 - called home (30 seconds) Tony's
2:05 - text Tony - tony's
2:42 - text - home
2:47  - Tony text - home
3:16 - called Tony twice - home
3:42 - Tony text - Tony's
3:42 - text Tony - tony's
4:10 - called Amy - na - Tony's
4:11 - called Amy (2 min)
4:13 - Called Cindy's work (2 min) - Tony's
4:27 - 3687 called (1.5 min) - Tony's
6:39 - called Cindy's cell (8 min) - Tony's
6:55 - called voicemail - Tony's
6:56 - Home called (1 min)
6:56 - called Voicemail
6:57 - called home (3 min) at Tony's

     no more phone calls until

June 19th

8:32 a.m. - text Tony - Old Cheney HWY
11:03 a.m. - Tony text - around Tony's


this is as far as I have gotten -
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« Reply #152 on: October 03, 2008, 03:16:13 PM »

Sometimes the DNA must go awry, I am the only SEEING person in my family and they all have blue blue eyes, I do NOT.
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The Humanzee That Wasn't
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OLIVER

A recent Discovery Channel documentary called "Humanzee," featured a little known upright walking chimpanzee named Oliver. This re-exploitation of a settled issue (that Oliver is a "humanzee," a hybrid or a missing link) was delivered by TDC with all the balleyhoo of a carnival side-show, even suggesting that in spite of Oliver's DNA results confirming him a normal chimpanzee, "something" was different in his chromosomal structure differing him from all other primates -- but what, exactly, was not specified.
 
For those who have heard of Oliver before, he's just a chimp according to test results. For those who have never heard of him, here is his story. Chimp or "Humanzee," Oliver was a remarkable, upright walking chimp who appeared to prefer living and behaving as a human being than a chimpanzee for the better part of his life.
 
Oliver's story, pre-DNA testing....
 
BOERNE -- His days on the freak circuit and on tabloid covers as the fabled ``missing link,'' are finally behind him, as are seven lost years in a medical research laboratory.
 
Now, Oliver, a mild-mannered, middle-aged ape that walks upright like a human, is taking a well-deserved Hill Country retirement, but is no less a scientific mystery than he first appeared 25 years ago.
 
"Oliver's had a real strange and sordid history. He was exploited tremendously for his very unusual morphological characteristics,'' said Ken DeCroo, a California anthropologist and animal trainer who owned him a decade ago and, like others, has not forgotten him. "His physical appearance was rather different than most chimps. He's bipedal, which means he walks on two feet, and that is very unusual. And another aspect is his very small head,'' he said.
 
Others have noted Oliver's peculiar smell, eye coloring, bird-like voice and various mannerisms as being very un-chimp-like. And then there is Oliver's sense of himself. "He was not like normal chimps and other chimps didn't get along with him too well. He preferred to be with humans,'' recalled Bill Rivers, another former owner. But Oliver has mellowed with the years. Since May, when he and 11 other chimps were retired from the Buckshire Corp., a research center in Pennsylvania, Oliver has shared a spacious open-air cage with other chimps at Primarily Primates.
 
Wally Swett, director of the primate sanctuary, said his newest celebrity guest is adapting well, and, after years in isolation, has formed an attachment. "He's bonded with one little female,'' said Swett.
 
"And he understands a lot and is quite cooperative. And he's not like other male chimps which can get quite grabby and aggressive,'' he said.
 
Old news accounts assert that Oliver has 47 chromosomes (see results info below), one more than a human, one less than a chimpanzee, but there are no records to confirm it. Quite soon, possibly for the first time, Oliver will undergo sophisticated blood and genetic analysis to resolve, once and for all, exactly who or what he is.
 
"The prevailing view is that Oliver is simply a mutant chimp. Others think he may be a cross between a common chimp and a pygmy chimp, and soon we'll be able to make a determination,'' said Dr. Gordon Gallup, an anthropology professor at the University of New York at Albany.
 
But, said Gallup, who has lectured about Oliver in his evolutionary psychology course, there are other possibilities holding infinitely more complicated implications. "It's difficult to know for sure, but I think there is reason to suspect that Oliver may be a human-chimpanzee hybrid. It turns out that humans and chimps are at least 99 percent identical in terms of basic biological chemistry, and you can get hybrids among much more diverse creatures than that,'' he said.
 
Rumors of such taboo experiments being conducted in China, Italy and the United States have persisted for years, but have never been acknowledged. Could Oliver be the result of clandestine genetic alchemy? The answer may come after a blood sample -- to be taken from Oliver at an upcoming medical examination -- are tested at the University of Chicago, allowing scientists there to finally determine his genetic pedigree.
 
"Let you imagination run wild. It has such mind-boggling implications for things like religion, and whether such a creature would be covered by the Bill of Rights. It could make people think about their relationship to evolution,'' said Gallup. "But until there is some evidence either way, it's simply an academic exercise rather than anything you can take seriously,'' he said.
 
Dr. David Ledbetter, who will do the testing, said genetics technology will allow him to determine if Oliver is a normal or mutant chimp, and if he proves to be a hybrid, his parentage. "It seems a little silly to me to have all this rumor and controversy floating around when its a very straightforward thing to do the chromosome analysis,'' he said. A spokesperson for the Yerkes Primate Center in Atlanta, the most prestigious primate research facility in the country, said scientists there had never heard of Oliver.
 
Oliver surfaced in the early 1970s, when he was acquired as a baby by trainers Frank and Janet Burger whose dog, chimp, pony and pig acts were once regularly featured on the Ed Sullivan Show, at Radio City Music Hall, and once even by dancer Gene Kelly. "He came in from Africa with three other chimps that one of Frank's brothers had sent over from the Congo. But this one we could never use. He was odd and the other chimps would have nothing to do with him,'' recalled Janet Burger, 69. But if Oliver was strange in appearance, and was shunned by other chimps, his intelligence and personality were also quite different from the other apes in the Burgers' entourage.
 
"You could send him on chores. He would take the wheelbarrow and empty the hay and straw from the stalls. And when it was time to feed the dogs, he would get the pans, and mix the dog food for me. I'd get it ready and he'd mix it,'' she said. As he grew older, Oliver also acquired habits normally enjoyed only by humans, including a cup of coffee and a nightcap. "This guy, Oliver, he enjoyed sitting down at night and having a drink, and watching television. He'd mix his own. He'd pour a shot of whiskey and put some Seven-Up in there, stir it and drink it,'' she recalled.
 
Oliver also displayed emotions not normally associated with chimpanzees, including tears of remorse at temporary separations. But ultimately, it was another of Oliver's human like traits that forced the Burgers to sell him. By 1976, when he was approaching sexual maturity, Oliver was turning into a masher.
 
"He had sex on his mind. The old hormones flared up but he didn't care about the female chimps we had, he started trying to have sex with me and any other woman,'' recalled Burger. "I was leery of him. He was as strong as five men, so I told my husband, "I'm not putting up with this. He's going or I'm going," so we sold him to Michael Miller and his partner for $8,000,'' she said.
 
Miller, a New York City lawyer, had seen dollar signs in Oliver, and took him on the road, including Japan, where newspaper accounts report that 26 million Japanese viewed him.
 
In the United States and overseas, breathless speculation raged over the ape with the shaved head. Was he "the baby Bigfoot?'' A mutant or hybrid chimp? Or perhaps a newly discovered primitive African humanoid? Miller also hinted at the unspeakable: An ape-human hybrid.
 
In press accounts of the time, Miller said he intended for Oliver to undergo a full battery of scientific tests to determine his identity, but the results, if any, were never made public. After belonging to Miller for several years, Oliver was owned by a series of West Coast animal trainers, beginning with Ralph Helfer, owner of Enchanted Village in Buena Park, Ca., where Oliver was exhibited as a freak. "They had two or three shows a day. I'd just walk him out on stage while another fellow talked about him. They had theories that he was half-man, half-ape. That was part of the show,'' recalled Bill Rivers, who years later would be the last animal trainer to own Oliver. "It was just like seeing a space alien,'' he said.
 
Oliver later became part of Helfer's menagerie at Gentle Jungle doing occasional television commercials and shows. But when the facility closed he was given to Ken DeCroo who had worked there. DeCroo, an anthropologist and animal trainer, said Oliver was unlike any of the hundreds of chimps he had worked with in both research and commercial settings. "It was very hard to predict what was happening in that brain and generally he acted more human than chimp in a lot of settings,'' recalled DeCroo.
 
"This is the classic example. Very often I would sit him down in the living room with me to drink coffee. And one time he was out of coffee. I never trained him to do this, but maybe he knew it from the past. He got up from the table, walked into the kitchen, picked up the coffee pot, poured coffee into my cup, then into his, and then took the pot back into the kitchen,'' he said. "But here's the chimp part. He's making a terrible mess. His brain is telling him what to do, but his body isn't quite doing it. But he had the awareness. He understood where all the elements fit and that I was out of coffee. It was shocking,'' he said. DeCroo is now struggling to put Oliver down on paper. "I'll tell you how much Oliver has affected me in my life. I'm writing a novel, which is very much fiction, but is very much based on Oliver,'' he said.
 
"It's about researchers in a university that decide to do the experiment: man and ape. This experiment is quite possible, but would you do it?" he asked. "In deciding that, you can imagine the ramifications both ethically and scientifically. And what do you do with the creature in the end? It's quite an adventure and Oliver inspired it,'' he said.
 
DeCroo said in 1986, when he closed his animal compound, he sold Oliver to Bill Rivers with the understanding Oliver would be given a decent retirement. When he heard later Oliver had ended up at a research facility he was remorseful. "He was a good friend and I've always felt guilty. I failed Oliver. I really thought he wasn't going anywhere,'' said DeCroo. But Rivers said he eventually sold Oliver to the Buckshire Corporation, where he languished for almost seven years, when the ape proved too difficult to keep. "He couldn't get along with the other chimps. I was doing a lot of traveling. I really didn't have a place for him,'' said Rivers.
 
According to Buckshire president Sharon Hursh, Oliver showed signs of a rough treatment, but was never used for research. "When we got him, we gave him an entrance physical and it was evident to us he'd had a pretty tough life. Somewhere along the line, he must have been a tough chimp. He had scars that indicated rough handling,'' she said. "We basically purchased him for laboratory research but he was never used. He just sort of ate, kicked back and slept all day,'' she said. Fortunately for Oliver, others did not forget him.
 
Vincent Pace, a concert pianist and circus ochestra leader, met Oliver when the Burgers were traveling with the Vargas Circus in the early 1970's. But when Oliver was put up for sale in 1976, Pace said he was outbid by Miller, the New York lawyer. "I lost track of him totally for 20 years,'' said Pace.
 
"But two years ago I came into a big sum of money and I made a list of things I wanted to do. I wanted to buy a new Rolls Royce, I wanted a face lift and I wanted a new baby chimp. And in searching for a new chimp, I bumped into Oliver at the Buckshire,'' he said. Initially, he said, the Buckshire appeared willing to release Oliver. "I spent $70,000 to build a room on my house here for him. It's all plexi-glass, stainless steel and Formica. He'd have private eating quarters,'' he said. But after his attempt to get Oliver failed, said Pace, he was glad to see him and 11 other Buckshire chimps end up with Primarily Primates in Boerne.
 
"I'd lived without him for so long, I thought getting him out and into anybody's hands would be better than him being where he was,'' said Pace. "Someday I'll go to Texas and see Oliver before he dies. This animal is almost human in his emotions,'' he said.
 
Regardless of the outcome of the genetic testing, Oliver will enjoy a peaceful and permanent refuge in Boerne, said Swett. "He's been dragged around and exploited for over 20 years, but this is his final retirement. He'll never go into research or on exhibit again,'' said Swett. "In terms of significant scientific findings, we'll play it by ear, but never to the point of inconveniencing Oliver,'' he said. END
 
Source: By John MacCormack, Express-News Staff Writer for "The Express-News Online"
 
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More On Oliver
By Dr. John J. Ely
 
I found a good deal of interest amongst primatologists in our poster on Oliver at the ASP meetings in San Diego last summer, and I thought a recent publication on Oliver might be of interest to Primate-Talkers. Oliver has been in and out of the media spotlight (including Time magazine and several major newspapers) since the early 1970s, as different owners promoted his bipedal locomotion and shaved head as evidence that he was a cryptic, bipedal African man ape. (Some of these rumors are truly astonishing, for example, that he prepared his own martinis and smoked cigars.)
 
Unsubstantiated rumors that cytogeneticists determined Oliver's karyotype to be 2N=47, midway between a human and a chimpanzee, led to further popular suggestions that he was a "sport" or a human-chimp hybrid. Two years ago, Science published a news report that Oliver the "'mutant' chimp" was getting a "gene check"
 
(1). Since then, the cytogenetic analysis alluded to in that report has been completed, along with mtDNA sequencing and homology comparisons to African chimpanzees of known geographical origins, and just published in the AJPA
 
(2). Our results indicate that Oliver is a member of the Pan troglodytes troglodytes subspecies from Central Africa, has 48 normal chimpanzee chromosomes, and was likely trapped in Gabon. Full details behind our conclusions can be found in our report
 
(3). I might add that, from what I have seen so far, those who really want to believe in highly intelligent, bipedal African man-apes ("Apamandi" and whatnot) who continue to elude field primatologists, the bushmeat market etc, will not be dissuaded by any amount of evidence. The persistence of these deeply-rooted beliefs, as psychological facts, are an interesting phenomenon in their own right.
 
BIBLIOGRAPHY
 
1. Science, 1996. "Mutant" Chimp Gets Gene Check. Science 274: 727.
2. Ely, J.J., Leland, M., Martino, M., Swett, W., and Moore, C.M., 1998.
Technical report: chromosomal and mtDNA analysis of Oliver.
American Journal of Physical Anthropology 105(3): 395-403.
 
Dr. John J. Ely, Ph.D.
Department of Biology
Trinity University
E-mail: jely@trinity.edu
Source: http://www.primate.wisc.edu/pin/oliver.html
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« Reply #153 on: October 03, 2008, 03:16:19 PM »

From my genetics class years ago, it goes like this.

We all have two genes for eye color, one from our dad and one from our mom.

If dad has two brown eye genes, we are going to get a brown eye gene from him.  If mom has two brown eyes genes, we will get a brown eye gene from her.  We will have two brown eye genes and have brown eyes.

But let's suppose DAD has one brown eye gene and one blue eye gene.  His eyes are brown, cause brown is dominant.  Mom has one brown eye gene and one blue eye gene, too.  She too has brown eyes.

The mom and dad above have two children.  One has brown eyes because he got a brown gene from dad and a blue gene from mom.  One has blue eyes because he got a blue eye gene from dad and a blue eye gene from mom.



My mom's parents have brown eyes- She has brown eyes. My dad's parents have brown and green eyes- My dad has blue eyes. My sister and I both have hazel eyes.  Does that make sense then?

Yes. There's are factors that go back to many ancestors and recessive genes, etc.
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« Reply #154 on: October 03, 2008, 03:17:44 PM »

Witness List In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 6:02 pm EDT October 1, 2008

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7847

This has All Names listed that are Potential Witnesses or are to be Witnesses
Too many to copy and paste.


What do you guys think about this.... I'm gonna propose that the daddy would be on the witness list since paternity has become important here to establish the relationship between KC and Caylee. Yes, No, Maybe???
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« Reply #155 on: October 03, 2008, 03:18:36 PM »

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Thanks for the re-post of the timeline!

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« Reply #156 on: October 03, 2008, 03:19:34 PM »

so they know the daddy..hmm..wonder how they did all that? DNA from all of the guys, or did they have a hunch as to whom to test?

I'm home sick today...catching up....

I think the marine they visited is the daddy....

hi everybody....
Wouldn't it just be heart breaking for any man to find out he's a father after the child has been murdered?  He never got a chance to bond with his child.
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« Reply #157 on: October 03, 2008, 03:19:41 PM »

JMO:   If it were anyone outside the Anthony family LE would have notified this man or his family by now.  The father or family would definitely have a lawyer by now to protect their rights or to start preparing a wrongful death suit, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY:  I believe the father and his family would have come forward by now to start searching for Caylee and show they care unlike the Anthony family.
If the father were Hawkins I think Casey would have told him....no reason not to...she tried to pin it on Jesse....and she had an ongoing relationship with him, so why not tell him.  She could have definitely used the child support.
this is a great post, I bet they would come out unless LE has informed him/the family that Caylee is deceased and asked them to wait until they rearrest her to make anything public.  Even so, I think I'd want her remains found and I'd be screaming it, so in that case I think LE may want someone to come out.

The father also will have the right to claim Caylee's body if and when it is found.  I don't think he will want to be left out to hang by the media if he doesn't come forward and show some concern
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« Reply #158 on: October 03, 2008, 03:20:00 PM »

Witness List In Casey Anthony Case

POSTED: 6:02 pm EDT October 1, 2008

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7847

This has All Names listed that are Potential Witnesses or are to be Witnesses
Too many to copy and paste.


What do you guys think about this.... I'm gonna propose that the daddy would be on the witness list since paternity has become important here to establish the relationship between KC and Caylee. Yes, No, Maybe???
I think he would have certainly been asked     but that doesnt mean he would have to.......if him being the father has nothing to do with the crime then his lawyer would be able to black that easily......gosh!!!!!!!!!!1
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« Reply #159 on: October 03, 2008, 03:20:15 PM »

"LP also announced on NG that the world will be shocked when it came out who da daddy....."

This is the part that sticks with me about the "who da daddy" issue.


sorry but that doesn't say incest to me......besides If there were incest do you HONESTLY think George or Lee would still be walking around....Cindy would have killed them....

this kinda suggests it might be Jesse...even though he has been cleared....could LP be suggesting an incorrect DNA test?  I don't know...but that popped in my head
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