Natalee Case Discussion #841 6/22/10 - 6/27/10

[the big hammer]

Mama Tried

The suspect was quoted by the paper Tuesday as saying he understood his mother's position.
"I have hurt her and too many other people," De Telegraaf quoted him saying. "If only I had listened to her."

And I turned twenty one in prison, doin' life without parole.  No one could steer me right, but mama tried, mama tried.  Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied, and that leaves only me to blame 'cause mama tried.

Haunting words from Merle Haggard -- who actually did celebrate his twenty-first birthday in prison.

Certainly, I believe Anita could have tried a little harder.  As there was clear evidence to her and those immediately surrounding the goon as far back as 2005, that something was seriously amiss.  No way back from here now.  That door closed a long time ago.

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[Mon Quixote]

Ack, I had forgotten all about that picture of Anita in the brown see through top and the white bra LOL

And every time I read her words in an interview I am both amazed and appalled at how much her and Spindy Anthony are cut from the same cloth.  Unbelievable.

JVDS makes sense in context to AVDS, at least to me.  I mean we could get into a nature versus nurture and how monsters are made discussion but it wouldn’t do any good.  (Seriously, I am so paranoid about this mothering thing that I met with a child psychologist to ensure that I wasn’t going to raise a psychopath.  Extreme?  Maybe, but this parenting thing is way too new to me.)

Anita, IMO, is devoid of warmth, compassion or nurturing it seems and the insincerity is evident in the affectation she demonstrates when mugging for cameras.  It makes sense, again to me, that JVDS turns on it no when he needs to.  He’s like an Extreme AVDS, or what she could have been under different circumstances.  (Who knows, maybe her Daddy never hugged her enough…)

Concerning CA, she’s just a nut.  I won’t t even get into it here…  But yes, they are much alike.

C

[wreck]

Mama Tried

The suspect was quoted by the paper Tuesday as saying he understood his mother's position.
"I have hurt her and too many other people," De Telegraaf quoted him saying. "If only I had listened to her."

And I turned twenty one in prison, doin' life without parole.  No one could steer me right, but mama tried, mama tried.  Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied, and that leaves only me to blame 'cause mama tried.

Haunting words from Merle Haggard -- who actually did celebrate his twenty-first birthday in prison.

Certainly, I believe Anita could have tried a little harder.  As there was clear evidence to her and those immediately surrounding the goon as far back as 2005, that something was seriously amiss.  No way back from here now.  That door closed a long time ago.

.

I don't think Anita tried one bit! I think she is the reason more than anything, he went down the path he did. She enabled him and taught him to lie.

[Magnolia]

Mama Tried

The suspect was quoted by the paper Tuesday as saying he understood his mother's position.
"I have hurt her and too many other people," De Telegraaf quoted him saying. "If only I had listened to her."

And I turned twenty one in prison, doin' life without parole.  No one could steer me right, but mama tried, mama tried.  Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied, and that leaves only me to blame 'cause mama tried.

Haunting words from Merle Haggard -- who actually did celebrate his twenty-first birthday in prison.

Certainly, I believe Anita could have tried a little harder.  As there was clear evidence to her and those immediately surrounding the goon as far back as 2005, that something was seriously amiss.  No way back from here now.  That door closed a long time ago.

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I don't think Anita tried one bit! I think she is the reason more than anything, he went down the path he did. She enabled him and taught him to lie.

But, the Merle Haggard song is great!  )

[Blonde]

Ack, I had forgotten all about that picture of Anita in the brown see through top and the white bra LOL

And every time I read her words in an interview I am both amazed and appalled at how much her and Spindy Anthony are cut from the same cloth.  Unbelievable.

[nonesuche]

Anita van der Sloot Joran still believes in innocence

ARUBA - Anita van der Sloot is her son, the murder suspect Joran, certainly not find in his cell that he actually is guilty of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores. She said tonight in a television interview on RTL 4.

In the interview, describes her mother's van der Sloot look at the events surrounding her son. Also unseen childhood pictures of Joran shown. Anita van der Sloot: "Joran was once a nice guy. He was two when my husband Paul to Aruba and got a job as a judge on the island we went live. Joran did not always easy on the holiday island. When he turn had finally found a girlfriend and he was quite happy. But the girl did it and was there when Joran devastated. He could hardly handle it. "

Joran soon got his own back garden cottage and went many steps. That he also regularly went to the casino knew his mother. He also got a new relationship to what he was going to the Natalee Holloway case.

Anita van der Sloot still has mixed feelings in the matter of the missing American. "The island was literally besieged. Everywhere the family of Natalee and posters hung everywhere. When I saw it I thought, that girl has run away because of family problems. She wanted verdwijnen.Ik just thought it was just terrible. I really tried to take the mother talking. Had to give her a hug and an arm around her to pieces. But we were guilty in advance, it was very difficult. There is literally said, "we will destroy your family".

Anita is emotional when she talks about her deceased husband four months ago, Paul speaks. "We had a very strong team
My husband was very real. Everyone thought he was involved, but if Joran really involved than he had him out. So was Paul. He wished only that it was acting according to legal rules. "

Joran's mother still has confidence in the innocence of her son. Despite the doubts that sometimes it hurts. "The Joran that I know will never stick a finger into a girl. A man in his mug store because it threatens it. A liar, yes. A gambler, yes. Someone will steal money, yes. But no rapist and not a killer ".

After the death of his father four months ago, died of a heart attack, Joran is depressed. "A psychiatric patient with a personality disorder" refers to Anita. Joran would go to a clinic in Aruba. He had also had meetings. When he suddenly departed to Peru, his mother, therefore, very angry.

"There was a note on the table ..." I went to a poker tournament in Peru and stay away for a while. "I say not what I said to him when I 'm on the phone, but I then had to do something "You just pocket the floor, I'll do anything for you'..".

The murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, the life of Anita van der Sloot a dramatic new turn. Then in the Peruvian capital Lima the girl was found murdered and Joran was suspicious, I 'm told that he had to give. He did not initially what I was talking about. When saying her name, he began to cry and asked me "Mom, what have they done to her?" He was a little panicked because he was being followed by people who were in possession of the bill with Natalee Holloway. He thought they were on his money. "

Gradually, the interview shows the doubts about the innocence of her son how to be great.
"I'm not saying he did not. If it is proven that Joran is indeed guilty, then does everything ... I see absolutely no reason for him to search his cell. Then he examines it out" .

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/492631/2010/06/22/Anita-van-der-Sloot-gelooft-nog-steeds-in-onschuld-Joran.dhtml

This is one more horrifying example of how twisted and sick her mind is, when it comes to her "men".

She hated they couldn't run from what Joran and Paulus did, that's why it bothered her that she was confronted with it wherever she turned on the island.

Natalee's smiling face and Beth's determination - an example of a healthy love between parent and child, something Anita can't know.

and can't achieve.....

Paulus was guilty, Joran is guilty, and she an accomplice to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

She's a real example lately of giving one enough rope to hang themselves........she's essentially letting the world know she has no conscience whatsoever regarding Natalee or her family.

another sociopath.......

[Mon Quixote]

Ack, I had forgotten all about that picture of Anita in the brown see through top and the white bra LOL

And every time I read her words in an interview I am both amazed and appalled at how much her and Spindy Anthony are cut from the same cloth.  Unbelievable.

Thnx Blonde.  Now I'm going to have to go poke out my mind's eye....

[blah]

If someone (the FBI, no less - lol) was paying his way --

Why was his hotel bill two days overdue? Why wasn't he registered for the poker tournament (which requires an entry fee)? Why was he emailing people for money? Why was he broke? Why did he rob Stephany?

Yeah and how did he make it all the way to Chili for 3 days.

[Anna]

Yeah, great song, Hammer.  But afraid this one just didn't.

And on another subject, with regard to Joran's rights--first thing to note is that his rights stop where those of another begin.  This seems to be totally lost not only on Joran but on his supporters as well.

When Joran or anyone steps over that line and takes rights from others, they jeopardize their own.  That's why if one harms another as Joran has, freedom is lost.  There are consequences to taking the rights of others away most especially with regard to things you can't give back.  Meaning life.

I am a proponent of the death penalty in certain instances such as multiple murder so anything Joran receives is far short of justice for me.  But we take what we can get.  I just can't work up much concern for his rights because of this.

JMO

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74263.php

Google translation:

[carpe noctem]

Gen-yoo-wine... teet slinger, that is. Just stick a rock in one cup and whirl it around your head real good. Goliath doesn`t stand a chance with that thing!

[texasmom]

Anita van der Sloot Joran still believes in innocence

ARUBA - Anita van der Sloot is her son, the murder suspect Joran, certainly not find in his cell that he actually is guilty of the murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores. She said tonight in a television interview on RTL 4.

In the interview, describes her mother's van der Sloot look at the events surrounding her son. Also unseen childhood pictures of Joran shown. Anita van der Sloot: "Joran was once a nice guy. He was two when my husband Paul to Aruba and got a job as a judge on the island we went live. Joran did not always easy on the holiday island. When he turn had finally found a girlfriend and he was quite happy. But the girl did it and was there when Joran devastated. He could hardly handle it. "

Joran soon got his own back garden cottage and went many steps. That he also regularly went to the casino knew his mother. He also got a new relationship to what he was going to the Natalee Holloway case.

Anita van der Sloot still has mixed feelings in the matter of the missing American. "The island was literally besieged. Everywhere the family of Natalee and posters hung everywhere. When I saw it I thought, that girl has run away because of family problems. She wanted verdwijnen.Ik just thought it was just terrible. I really tried to take the mother talking. Had to give her a hug and an arm around her to pieces. But we were guilty in advance, it was very difficult. There is literally said, "we will destroy your family".

Anita is emotional when she talks about her deceased husband four months ago, Paul speaks. "We had a very strong team
My husband was very real. Everyone thought he was involved, but if Joran really involved than he had him out. So was Paul. He wished only that it was acting according to legal rules. "

Joran's mother still has confidence in the innocence of her son. Despite the doubts that sometimes it hurts. "The Joran that I know will never stick a finger into a girl. A man in his mug store because it threatens it. A liar, yes. A gambler, yes. Someone will steal money, yes. But no rapist and not a killer ".

After the death of his father four months ago, died of a heart attack, Joran is depressed. "A psychiatric patient with a personality disorder" refers to Anita. Joran would go to a clinic in Aruba. He had also had meetings. When he suddenly departed to Peru, his mother, therefore, very angry.

"There was a note on the table ..." I went to a poker tournament in Peru and stay away for a while. "I say not what I said to him when I 'm on the phone, but I then had to do something "You just pocket the floor, I'll do anything for you'..".

The murder of the Peruvian Stephany Flores, the life of Anita van der Sloot a dramatic new turn. Then in the Peruvian capital Lima the girl was found murdered and Joran was suspicious, I 'm told that he had to give. He did not initially what I was talking about. When saying her name, he began to cry and asked me "Mom, what have they done to her?" He was a little panicked because he was being followed by people who were in possession of the bill with Natalee Holloway. He thought they were on his money. "

Gradually, the interview shows the doubts about the innocence of her son how to be great.
"I'm not saying he did not. If it is proven that Joran is indeed guilty, then does everything ... I see absolutely no reason for him to search his cell. Then he examines it out" .

http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1000/Nieuws/article/detail/492631/2010/06/22/Anita-van-der-Sloot-gelooft-nog-steeds-in-onschuld-Joran.dhtml

This is one more horrifying example of how twisted and sick her mind is, when it comes to her "men".

She hated they couldn't run from what Joran and Paulus did, that's why it bothered her that she was confronted with it wherever she turned on the island.

Natalee's smiling face and Beth's determination - an example of a healthy love between parent and child, something Anita can't know.

and can't achieve.....

Paulus was guilty, Joran is guilty, and she an accomplice to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

She's a real example lately of giving one enough rope to hang themselves........she's essentially letting the world know she has no conscience whatsoever regarding Natalee or her family.

another sociopath.......

I agree.  You said it so well, Nonesuche!

[Anna]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_74263.php

Google translation:

Earth to Aruba. . . I believe the Supreme Court of Peru has ruled that Joran's confession stands and was legally obtained.

I don't read that as anything that can be appealed as I think this judge gave that decision to the Peruvian Supreme Court and they have ruled.

Joran's words will now be used against him and he will hear them over and over.

Actions have consequences. 

[cece]

Gen-yoo-wine... teet slinger, that is. Just stick a rock in one cup and whirl it around your head real good. Goliath doesn`t stand a chance with that thing!

LOL!!!  I finally caught up.  You are a hoot!

[Anna]

Nonesuche,
Yes, AVDS is as big of a sociopath as Joran.  We knew that when she was descirbing Natalee's underwear and giving sexually explicit desccriptions to Beth.  She has yet to show one shred of compassion for the Holloways, Natalee or anybody hurt by what Joran has done.

[Anna]

Joran is paranoid because he knows there are valid rasons for people to hate and hunt for him.  He knows what he has done.

So yes, Joran, continue to look over your shoulder.  They finally got you--the FBI, CIA, NSA, Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Affairs, the Cub Scouts, the Vatican, the Bilderbergers and somebody named Raul with a donkey!

.

[Anna]

Even the Flores family in their fresh and horrific grief have time and again expressed sorrow for Natalee's family as well.

Compare and contrast with Anita.  No class, no conscience, sociopath just like her son.

[akmom]

This woman reporting I think from Aruba on JVM says Paulus had an illigit son who was a drug dealer on Aruba, did we know THAT???????????????????????

[cece]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sex-lies-and-a-murder-suspect-with-a-story-to-sell-2007590.html

Sex, lies and a murder suspect with a story to sell

His cell is full of rats. His confession was faked. And journalists beating a path to the Peruvian jail where Joran van der Sloot is being held on suspicion of two eerily-similar high-profile murders are now being told that his incarceration is the direct result of an FBI sting operation.

The young Dutchman spoke publicly yesterday for the first time since he was arrested and charged with the killing of Stephany Flores, a 21-year-old student from Lima whom he had befriended at the gaming tables of a local casino during a high-stakes poker tournament.

"I have been framed," he claimed, during a rambling interview with De Telegraaf, Amsterdam's largest daily newspaper. "What happened exactly, I will explain later." Asked how he was coping with conditions at the notorious Castro Castro prison in Lima, he added: "I am surviving. It is my own fault I am here."

Van der Sloot was detained in Chile on 3 June and deported to Peru under an international warrant after the body of Flores was found, bloodied and battered, in his room at Lima's Hotel Tac. Her neck was broken and she had apparently been beaten with a tennis racket.

The murder has sparked international attention since it occurred exactly five years to the day after the American teenager Natalee Holloway went missing during a night out on the Caribbean island of Aruba. Van der Sloot, 22, was the last person seen with her, and remains the chief suspect in her still-notorious disappearance, remembered as much for his subsequent extraordinary behaviour as for the crime itself.

In recent years, the Dutchman has issued and then retracted several confessions related to the affair, mostly during highly paid TV interviews. US authorities recently charged him with attempting to extort $25,000 (£17,000) from Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, by promising to show her where Natalee's body was buried in exchange for money.

He now claims his recent arrest resulted from an FBI sting after an undercover agent lured him to Peru in order to have him arrested and extradited to the US to face the extortion charges. A man called Garcia offered to foot the bill for his travel, accommodation, and entrance in the $10,000 poker tournament, he maintains. "Mr Garcia arranged and paid for everything for me," van der Sloot said. "Looking back, I can't believe I let myself be lured. I hardly knew that guy. It was just an FBI set-up."

He would not discuss how exactly the body of Flores then came to be in his hotel room, but implied that it was planted there as part of the same FBI plot. He further claimed that he had been persuaded, under duress, to sign a fake murder confession shortly after his arrest.

"During the original interrogations, I was very frightened and confused, and I wanted to leave," he said. "They were telling me all the time: 'If you sign these papers, you will be extradited to the Netherlands.' In my blind panic I then signed everything, but I did not even know what was written down."

In the now-disputed confession, van der Sloot explained that he had taken Flores to his bedroom at around 5am, after meeting her at the card table. He killed her after she discovered his famous links to the Holloway case. "The girl intruded into my private life. She had no right. I went to her and I hit her. We argued and she tried to escape. I grabbed her by the neck and I hit her."

A Peruvian court is now likely to decide which version of events is true. If convicted of murder, van der Sloot faces up to 35 years in prison. But it will take roughly two years for his case to come to trial. In the meantime, he must share his cellblock with a Colombian murderer, a corrupt Peruvian general, and rats that creep into his six-by-four-foot cell through the toilet at night. It marks a dramatic reality check for a man who, despite his famously volatile temper – he once threw a glass of wine in a TV reporter's eyes – has previously seemed to relish his dubious reputation, treating the Holloway case as an excuse to cultivate minor celebrity.

The 2005 disappearance of the American teenager, who was holidaying in Aruba to celebrate her graduation from high school, sparked global media interest, and celebrities including Cameron Diaz, Matt Dillon and Kate Hudson contributed to a $1m (£675,000) reward fund to help find out what had become of her. Van der Sloot, who lived on the holiday island and was 17 years old at the time, admitted meeting Holloway in a local bar on the night of her death, and later having sex with her on a local beach. But he repeatedly changed his story regarding what happened that night.

Although he was arrested in Aruba on suspicion of murder, he was never charged, owing to lack of evidence. After he was freed, he returned to the Netherlands in 2006, where police investigating Holloway's disappearance were unable to reach him.

[klaasend]

This woman reporting I think from Aruba on JVM says Paulus had an illigit son who was a drug dealer on Aruba, did we know THAT???????????????????????

Lorenzo van Rijn

Who is the reporter?  I'm not watching.