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Made the jump.

Hi JodyO -

Sorry I can't get you all the way up to speed, but these guys sure can - http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

Check out the Collusion and Corruption entries. Your eyes may fall out.

Beth: Dutch authorities will re-question Joran

De Vries: Joran will/has? made a statement. Important development because he hasn't been talking at all.

Beth is waaaaaay too calm.  How is she handling this?  I'd be calling for his head on a platter!! 

And this question is out of only love and respect....is she really going to be ok?  Is she really as ok as she says?  I am just really worried about her.
I just want Dave and Beth (and Jug) to be as well as they can be under the circumstances. 

Beth: I don't know why he wouldn't seek medical help; run to the Marriott, pick her up and go for help. Beth refers to his statement about his seman in her, she can't even say it on TV, but she points out that it tells her more went on.

Next up: a PI who works for Joran's attorney.

When they come back they'll talk with a PI that works with JVDS's atty.

Who is that?

uh oh, this ain't gonna be good, a private eye who works with Tacopina

That fat ass sleezeball

I hope Larry K didn't set this up to have this investigator on at the same time as Peter to discredit him. 

Could it possibly be the troll Madmaster?  Wouldn't that be wild?

Les Levine

LK not totally up to date. Had to be corrected on the pronunciation of Sloot. Eye roll.

Dunno, maybe that failed undertaker he parades around as a forensic scientist?  Maybe he doubles as a private investigator as well?

I think Beth looks terriffic!  We are just used to seeing her so exhausted and now she seems so much more rested.  I hope she is sleeping much more soundly now.

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oh geez!

and that alone tells you he is a danger to society. He does not deserve a place in the free world.

Now, would he allow his mother to lay on the ground, shake and "die" or would he call Daury?

I think that question says it all.

The fat undertaker.... ::MonkeyDance::

She's just come from an existance where she had no firm answers on whether her daughter was even dead. Many ppl didn't believe her suspicions, and the media had forgotten, for the most part, her plight. This confession is a better place and she's reacting to it. Give it time, there will be more answers she will seek, IMO.

BULL$HI$$--Larry King should be hung out to dry.  How disgusting to do a guest this way.

if it were in dutch peter would nail him for sure.
he is very good at that. fingers crossed.

I hope this one writes a nasty letter too.... ::MonkeyWink::

This PI is a POS.

Les Levine who works for Joe T. is an idiot.


He said what Joran did is one of the more stupid acts that he has seen in his entire career.

Where is robots I need his help  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Larry is on his 9 wife and 12 heart transplant... come on Blue Moon, you know this... ::MonkeyHaHa::

Beth: within 48 hours, Jacobs asked about seizures. What she heard on the tape brought it full circle.

DeVries: How did Joran know what Patrick wanted to hear? Try to impress him? I don't think anyone is impressed by a story like this!

Peter said the Les said Joran only told Patrick what he wanted to hear.  Peter said well how did Joran know that.  Did he whisper it in his ear  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Peter did a great job of putting that fat slob in his place!!!!

somebody REALLY needs to start asking if a blow to the head could've caused a seizure (if that's what it even was)

joran is so stupid.  'he just looked at her and said yeah, she's dead'

bullshit

It's Les Levine. Works with Taco. Says Joran is in Holland, recognizes how he has damaged his reputation and the credibility that Taco was able to build for him, along with Roseanne Arnold and himself.

LK: Why would he confess to something he didn't do?

LL: He wanted to be a wise guy.

LK: Pretty dumb.

LL: One of the dumbest I've seen in my career.

LK; What do you think of PeterdeVries?

LL: He did what he had to do to get a story.

LK: Beth what do you think?

LL: Stunning revelation when I saw the tapes. Dennis Jacobs asked within forty eight hours if Natalee had a history of seizures.

LK: Peter what do you think of what Les Levine says?

LL: I don't see how he (Joran) would think this story would impress anybody.

what's happening is the lawyer already tied up by Peter with Larry's suspenders  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank God Larry King at least let Beth and Peter have the last word and didn't even go back to the PI for a reaction after Beth told about being questioned about seizures.

Better ending than I expected after he brought that PI on.

Yea I knew that ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  But Beth knocked the ball out of the court and shut his big fat mouth. ::MonkeyDance::

OH, BETH WITH A LEFT JAB AND A RIGHT CROSS,

DOWN GOES TACOPINA! DOWN GOES TACOPINA!

Good job Beth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too true.  I feel like I'm a strong person until I see this amazing woman made of steel, but with a totally soft soul and a heart of gold.  She is truly awe-inspiring.  I want peace for her and Dave so much. 

quote "did he whisper in his ear, did he write a note?".  Peter got his in there too.

adding...notice the look he gives Patrick after he says that?  like he's looking to see if Patrick is falling for it

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      I MISS ROBOTS!!!

I hope Greta doesn't do the same thing to Peter by having Joe T. on at the same time.  If so Peter needs to let them know.

Get read now for GRETA on Fox

Only someone who has watched someone die would know this.

Peter was great, "Who would be impressed with this story, it's a horrifying story!"  I loved it.

Beth got the story in, about Dennis Jacobs asking if Natalee had a history of seizures. However, I don't think there was anything in THIS interview about seizures and so her comment might have made no sense to many viewers. Certainly LK didn't seem to know what she was talking about. He repeated his original question and asked Peter to answer it.

Same cloth. Only difference is that Taco's wearing Bling and Grease.

I'm sure he's totally fine, just shedding his exoskeleton. Robots that old do that, ya know.

Peter looks very handsome.  His English is better than Larry King's fer sure!

Hey, don't worry about Beth or Peter being ambushed, they both can handle whatever the Joe Wimp or his henchman can throw at them:)

I agree. The point wasn't driven home, and I wondered the same thing. Not sure those not following the case closely would "get it"

Is Beth going to be on Greta again tonight?  LK is an IDIOT!  Beth was obviously trying to get the rest of the story (cover up) out and he just ignored it!!  UGH!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

excellent. on to Greta now. i am watching that too.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Explain TACOPINA how your client can be lying on a tape if 2 years and 8 months earlier the police were asking Beth and Jug about the very questions of seizures that Joran states in the secretly recorded tapes? HMMM???

Its not like Beth is making this up in wake of seeing the de Vries video. Jug made the same comment nearly 2 months ago on Scared Monkeys radio with Dana. Long before any de Vries tape came out or was known of.

So Tacopina explain how someone can be lying when they are saying something that only a person who was present when Natalee died. How else did the police know to ask such a question if there was not an admission or confession by Joran in the first 24-48 hours.

The answer is you can't explain it.

Thanks, Rob!

his English is better than Tacopina's. ::MonkeyLaugh::

Is Joe T supposed to be on Greta as well?  Maybe Beth and Peter will make him shriek like a little girl again?

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new chances with greta. i have high expectations.

And he's for darned sure better looking, too!

 ::MonkeyCool::

LKL ... saw it, Peter and Beth handled themselves.
Have to get the media attention now.
DeVries has Aruba OM and prosecutor in a corner doesn't he? And I suspect he has more stuff too, don't forget there were twenty hours of tapes.
Beth said JACOBS. 

Uh oh!  Kirkwood MO shooting at city counsel meeting killing six?  Hopo this doesn't pre -empt her scheduled program as horrible as it sounds this is. 

Hope you're right!; I have enjoyed your posts as well, caesu!

Barking collars - check.
Sangria - check.
Kids all locked down - check.

All systems go.

WOW! Kirkwood is a pretty nice part of St. Louis.

Larry King was disappointing to me!  I tap my foot through all the political crap, finally get to Beth and Peter and then Larry's like he's never heard of the case before....does he have alzheimers?  I know he's a hundred years old but my goodness..apologizes for misprounouncing the murderers name!  The PI for Joe Taco is disgusting, I guess Joe can't get to far away from the toilet these days...I'm sure that he's discovered depends can't contain his coast to coast craps when it comes to defending their sporter...uggghhh  OMG...and Larry doesn't even recognize the revelation that Beth makes about the seizure questions she and Jug were asked DAYS after Natalee disappeared.  He was in too much of a hurry to get to the Brittney Spears (she's been forced to do drugs? give me a BREAK!!!!)story.  I won't even start on that story, I have a real hard time feeling sorry for Brittney!  I do however wonder how her children will turn out....
I should have taped Nancy Grace instead of Larry King.  He sucked it up tonight!


WHERE IS ROBOTS?????  IS HE ON A MISSION TO THE NETHERLANDS OR SOMETHING????  WE NEED ROBOTS!!!!!!

I don't have any problem at all understanding deVries.  Don't think there is any language problem.  Dutch and English both Germanic languages may be why?

Greta's questions sound like they are comming right from Taco, like she is interrogating Peter rather than asking about the story

Well..................... I'd be just fine without his skeleton, if he'd just come back.  ::MonkeyWaa::

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Total 20 hours tapes.  Not just one conversation but five days with several days and even a week in between taping.  So no way was this just a one time fabrication by Joran, IMO.

So far, Greta is doing a much better job than the other shows tonight.

Is Greta trying to imply that Joran confessed because he was stoned?????  Give me a break!

But she's covering a lot of area not covered on Nancy or LKL.

De Vries thinks Joran is protecting someone else and when Greta pressed him he said it would be speculation and he would rather not do that.

My question is WHY NOT. 

JUST SAY PAULUS.

Larry King sucks. Larry King has always sucked and he always will suck.

Judge Pirro didn't have any trouble at all just saying Paulus!

Greta does a better job than Larry King, IMO.  Peter seems a bit on guard with her.  He doesn't let her make him say anything he doesn't want to and won't speculate as to who he thinks Joran might be protecting with his Daury character.  Says that's for the police to investigate.

He does not appear at all rattled but not as relaxed as in the NL.  Seems to be listening very carefully to her questions.  Greta mumbles as usual.

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Peter has to maintain his status as an independent *******. If he speculates, they will say he has an agenda. He is correct not to speculate. There are plenty of others out there to draw the conclusions. He provides the tape and then he sits back. Absolutely imperative.

Iagree with that except for the "always will suck". He's looking WAY old!

Peter looks very tired (obvisously).
shame he didn't get Greta's seizures question.

You'd probably be the same way if your brain had shriveled down to the size of a prune.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Well, I didn't get it either.  I wondered what she wanted him to say. 

ROFLMAO!!!  There's only one man in that sentence.

Peter never speculates if he doesn't get the time to back it up extensively.
in his program he does speculate but with lengthy explainantions and backing up.

but he has PvdS on his radar.

This Missouri story is absolutely heartbreaking.  We should say a prayer for their families tonight.

Faces of some of the victims:  http://www.kirkwoodmo.org/council.htm#Contacting%20Your%20City%20Council:

Sorry, OT.

Oh, I won't take the easy shot, I won't take the easy shot, I won't take the easy shot................

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Greta should have repeated the question. she goes too fast.
that's why i want Peter om Charlie Rose PBS.

she wants accidental and Joran leaving the scene to have the tide gently carry Natalee away. That's her last shot at believing her own insanity.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: Cat claw your balls, Joe?

::MonkeyWink::
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Segment isn't over yet

He is one of the "Soprano's" when asked an unscripted question, that's for sure.

I think Joran inherits his abillity to lie from his father, a shifty lawless flunky wannabe judge.

Paul van der Sloot: That was not told to me when I was apprehended.  During the apprehension I was told that I was suspected of complicity to murder manslaughter and usurpatory freedom spoliation (kidnapping). During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o'clock, I picked up Joran.  And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee, while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o'clock at the McDonald's. That is, of course remarkable that the public prosecutor's office adds two witness statements of people who were standing somewhere in the back, and not the witness declaration from the police officers, where I direct myself to, and directed myself to, as much as possible.

http://tinyurl.com/35gvvl

Oh Gawd!! ? from Renho and Greedle is still tied in to the nutbags on Aruba.

Ah, I see.  Natalee just had the first seizure of her life totally out of the blue and at just that very moment for no reason at all kind of thinking?

I wonder what DeVries thinks about coming to Nat's country and facing others who debunk what he's done?

RENHO!!?? Atta girl! Take a slap at Greta!

I think Greta has a slight speech impediment of some sort....many people have a hard time understanding her and have to ask her to repeat.  It's as though she has trouble with the vowels...her jaw is so stiff and her teeth are very large...something amiss there.

i don't want to know anything about Britney Spears.
rest of hour just Peter R.

Spring Break for Teens in Aruba, I Don’t Think So
After years of waiting, the parents of Natalee Holloway get to hear what happen to their daughter on a video out of the mouth of Joran van der Sloot, the young man who was the last to see Natalee alive. It seems, from the video, that he knew all along what happened to Natalee. Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother, said on Greta Van Susteren’s show last night, she felt vindicated after seeing the tape. Guess the authorities in Aruba should have a dose of her mother’s intuition, since they were unable to do anything about this.

It is hard enough to allow/watch your teen or young adult travel. They are bound to make some mistakes and trouble can find them. But to not be able to trust the country’s authorities? I know you feel the same way I do when I say: Not this parent – not my kid! I know a lot of teens who like to travel, they’ve been to Europe and a couple are planning another trip. With the competitiveness of the travel industry, you have to wonder what Aruba is thinking? If your teen wants to go somewhere fun, beautiful and beachy this year for spring break, it’s my humble opinion you should cross Aruba off his/her list. I feel it's an issue of trust, I trust Aruba the least because of how the investigation was handled. What do you think?

Try these places instead:

    * Cancun Resort Choices
    * Disneyland Vacations (around the world)
    * Top 10 Spring Break Hot Spots for 2008 from the Student Travel Guide

http://parentingteens.about.com/b/2008/02/07/spring-break-for-teens-in-aruba-i-dont-think-so.htm

"Well, his father, i have some special thoughts about him." -- Peter de Vries

HA-HA! I think Joran's Mother is a good Mother, she loves jim, but she doesn't know what he is. Joran's Father, well, I have some special thoughts about him.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  WAY TO GO PETER!!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

My parents would probably have tackled me if I threw wine at any adult as Joran did.

Hey Joran, I'm inclined to believe this case will haunt you the rest of your life. It's a shame stuff like this always happens to you.

Smile you're on Candid Camera.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

disappointed in Greta not to bring op seizures. i am sure Peter would have said something about that.

very good last comment about PvdS  ::MonkeyDance::
Peter has strong leads on hem, it's not just suspicion else he wouldn't have said that.

Greta: Is there anything on the tape that makes you think the father, Paulus, was in any way involved?

Peter: Well, Joran says on the tape that his father brought him a cell phone in jail. He (the father)  is a judge and that's a sin.

That was priceless ~!

Every time he opens his mouth, I like him even more.

He's going to get Paulus, he's just going to do it the right way.  GO PETER!!

yes, her belief system is breaking down. It usually happens at a much earlier age... so she has problems.

Dave says this is the real Joran vd Sloot.  I hope that is not lost on Greta.  Dave may be much too subtle for her.

Hiker, I've really enjoyed your missives tonight  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey Bleached!

I've been to Cancun, and had my son and a crew of kids with me. WE went to the clubs, and WE had a great time. He didn't drink a drop, but never has, and he was happy to have Mom along. I would not let my kid go alone (without me) to Cancun. It's got potential to be dangerous, and a general "chaparone" that isn't with the kids wherever they go just isn't good enough for Cancun, IMO.

question caesu - what do you call him Peter R? We just call him GodFather Peter Freeze.  ::MonkeyWink::

Did Greta stumble with Dave? "I hope as time goes by we can bring you more answers -- that anybody who can help out brings you more answers." WE? After all that Greta has done to support the dark side?

bleachedblack, i have a question for you.  can you email me   kathee1963@yahoo.com

i am inclined to agree with you.
it is well know were Patrick works.
Peter had not the description of his job ready out of his head in english.

(he works with a company the produces hydraulic hoses < not very common words)

I have special thoughts about PVDS aka Sweatyrunning Man as well  ::MonkeyWink::

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 ::MonkeyHaHa::  klaas!

wel there are many dutch (inside) jokes about that.
difficult to explain. his full name is peter rudolf de vries.
last few days some called him PR de Vries (as in public relations - this big media campaign and travelling to america).
Peter de Vries just doesn't sound rigth to me.
like to get the facts right.  ::MonkeyHaHa::
some make jokes and say the big mystery is the R, but it's just rudolf.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TobyTiger View Post
After hearing Daury last night on Greta....he definitely was not in Aruba and quite adamantly denied having any knowledge of Natalee's disappearance and what Joran had said, until contacted by Joran's author.

Kind of felt sorry for the guy being dragged into this by the sociopathic Joran.

Grande
I tend to agree based on what we know at this point. I had a brief discussion with Daury and am hoping he can provide some more insight. If I hear anything I will post it hear

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=2023&page=2

About 13 million saw the tapes on 20/20 Monday night.  I wonder what the combined audience would be for tonight for deVries total from LK and Greta? 

And of course they will both re-run again tonight as well.  That's a lot of people who now know much more than they did before.  Also a lot for Peter to face speaking another language, must make him at least a bit nervous.

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Klaas,
Is all well with the server, while trying to refresh a page I could not get back in; kept getting the busy server message.  I had to sign off borrow son's laptop that's a bit faster and here I am again.  I noticed that there aren't as many monkeys here now so wondering if there's a problem.  TIA

Got overloaded with traffic I suppose.  I see Dugga has taken away our avatars temporarily again.  It was down for everyone and Dugga got it back up and running.

I have been locked out for awhile now too.... took me awhile to get in...

Me too.  I thought it was my computer. 
Still here just checking out the stories from Savannah & Missouri

I had a problem refreshing a page too. It lasted about 10 minutes or so; and I even tried to log in, but couldn't. . . . But now I'm in. :)

also dutch suspects can't be named bij there last name (officially), that's to prevent innocent suspect from having blemished their name.
that's why we should call Joran van der S. or Joran S. for as long as he is not convicted.
but since many years due to the internet most surnames pop up and everywhere the surname is used for suspects.

that may be a reason why Peter is called Peter R. or PrdV
but i won't use PRdV but some do.

That's a neat website Rob.

A person who was having a job interview for Murder Inc. might want to impress the " recruiter ". Was he being interviewed for a job position as a murderer of helpless young girls ? 

For any Monkeys near Birmingham, Channel 13 will have an interview with Beth, I think, in a minute.

Stiefvader Natalee: 'Cover-up op Aruba'
Gepost door Brendon (Surveillance-Fiets) - Bron: FOK!
Gepubliceerd: donderdag 7 februari 2008 @ 23:21
De stiefvader van Natalee Holloway spreekt over een cover-up op Aruba. Volgens hem wist de Arubaanse politie al een paar dagen na de verdwijning van Natalee hoe de zaak in elkaar zat.

Tijdens gesprekken kort na de verdwijning van Natalee, vroeg de Arubaanse politie herhaaldelijk aan de ouders van Natelee Holloway of ze misschien last had van epilepsie en of ze misschien ergens allergisch voor was. De ouders van Natalee zeiden dat ze daar geen last van had en vroegen zich af waarom ze deze 'stomme vragen' moesten beantwoorden.

Toen Jug Twitty, Natalee's stiefvader, de beelden van Peter R. de Vries op tv zag werd het hem meteen duidelijk waarom de politie deze vragen stelde. Op de beelden doet Joran na hoe Natalee die avond volgens hem getrild zou hebben. Hier uit trekt Twitty de conclusie dat de politie al meer wist van de zaak dan dat zij vertelden.

Volgens Twitty heeft oud-politiecommissaris Jan van der Straten, die het politieonderzoek leidde op Aruba, alles met deze 'cover-up' te maken. Van der Straten zou een zeer goede vriend zijn van Paul van der Sloot, de vader van Joran. Hoe deze 'cover-up' precies in elkaar zit weet Twitty nog niet.

Did anyone besides me see the blurb thingy at the bottom of the screen on Greta (I think it was Greta...I am on tv overload tonight with all the shows, lol)  that said 'Judge will not allow pretrial Detention for van der Sloot'. Anyone else see that?

I think Greta is still having a difficult time dealing with being hoodwinked by Joran.

it's interesting. Really it is. We don't have those .. ahh ... ahh.. what's the right word? ?stipulations? on the alleged guilty or public figures.

They're in the public - they're fair game and they are. Thanks for your reply caesu.

In America we have 300 million people, not 16 million like Holland, so we have many people with the same blemished name. LOL... And according to World Citizen Rammstein, in Holland, many people share the same name too. After all there are many Van Der Vliets. Two or three on every corner... so I can some how see that being a small problem. For the Van Der Vliets. LOL... wouldn't want them all confused.

I don't really see a problem naming names if someone is accused of a crime. But that's me.

I didn't see it but that was the judges first decision and MOS is appealing it.

No...but I'm cross - eyed now! LOL!

Whoops, they will be interviewing Dave.

Yes it is Ono and good to see you again. I can't tell you how many times these girls have asked about you.

I see Glenda/Julia is still spinning at RU...anything to continue to derail :roll: :roll: She makes me sick.

She starts a topic called > Did Patrick deny his brother owns a Boat
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:11 pm  by Glenda
Did Patrick ven der Eem deny that his brother had a boat during an interview on P & W?

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wtf does that have to do with anything.....gag. ::MonkeyNoNo::

They said on Birmingham television that the one judge would not allow pretrial
detention, but it had been appealed to a three judge panel in the Netherland Antilles
Court and they would have a decision in ten days.  I think we already had that
news here.

That was answer to Nut's question..LOL!

ohhhhhhh........ok ty

If he won't allow pretrial dentention - does that means there will be a trial!

Thanks Rob, that's really sweet! Appreciate that.

what brother? Valentijn?

Jorans statement....

The story I told on the tape was a lie.......
I made it all up......
I refuse to say anymore.....

I hope that DeVries has the Aruban OM and all of them in a corner.
They have always given us some odd sounding reasons WHY they can't arrest arrest anyone, why they can't search the Sloot property, why they HAVE to let them go, why they can't lay charges, it's always Oh we can't go in there like cowboys..But with DeVries and Holland paying attenetion, they aren't going to be able to do this bs.

 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038 :smt038

Joran for the rest of your life you will never know who the next person is who is trying to get the truth out of you for the authorities or where the next candid camera will be. Paranoia will be your new first name. Hopefully it will push you over the edge and you will lose what little sanity you did have. Your own little living hell ::MonkeyDance::

Have you still not lost any sleep over this? Are those footsteps coming up rapidly behind you? Was that a camera flash you just saw? Do my friends really like me or are they just trying to trap you? The reward is great, sociaty's hatred for you did is immense, and justice can be served in court or out of court? I understand that in Aruba, in court capital punishment is prohibited, but out of court it is a pretty common verdict. ::MonkeyCool::

Story on NBC 13:

Dave had the confession tested with voice analysis software. Believes Joran did it but thinks there is more to the story than Joran has told.

Discussing GHB. Interviewing phamacy professor. Overdose on GHB is possible.

Julia Renfro: Majority of people in Aruba and around the world believe he is guilty but that is different from evidence which can be used in court.
Sounds skeptical they will be able to prosecute.
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Overall this was not the interview they built it up to be.

Rob - no, they are trying to say Patrick has a brother named Perry that owned a water sports company.  Problem is I can't find any Perry van der Eem, or Perry, or Eem as the owner of anything at the Aruba chamber website.  In other words, Glenda and MF are playing games.

http://www.arubachamber.com/

Peter made an important point: Joran is now speaking to the authorities. Peter believes that happened earlier today in Holland. Peter said that is a significant turn of events because Joran has refused to talk to the police before. Now today Joran made a statement to the police.

Thanks YW

BOR said something about the case after a commercial break but after the break, he is still talking about politics.

Does anyone know if he really has any coverage or am I sitting here waiting for nothing?

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=30370

thanks Klaas!  And Thanks to Dugga for keeping us going!

VMS - well dang, why didn't it come up for me?  Thanks!

KLAAS, can you please email me????
renegayed2000@yahoo.com

thanks

EEEwwwwww they had Renho on Birmingham TV by phone.
She says that Joran is convicted on TELEVISION, but that does
not mean that even with the confession he can be convicted
in Aruba's court system.  She said there are no storm drains in
Aruba for him to put his shoes in and the SOS about the pay phone.
The reporter says that the sporter can get anywhere from time served
to life.
Natalee's doctor said that her system could not tolerate even normal
doses of medication and she was usually given a child's dose.
Professor at UAB or Samford said the the GHB would have made her
go into a coma and then her blood pressure would have dropped and
her breathing slowed.  Only a trained professionsl could tell if she
was alive or dead.

Thanks Klaas, I already ran the van der Eems through the net as did most everyone. Unless they are running a shell company there is not much out there that shows them owning anything.

Put up JR or STFU.

Newsflash Renhoe, nobody gives a damn what a wore out hoe thinks. STFU

It's rather hard to try to get Urine Joran to court for what he did to Natalee. imo.

I would rather see the Dutch investigate the corruption that had occurred during the "missing" Natalee investigation. The "cover up" should now be investigated by the Dutch. The investigation should focus on the corrupt elements of the Aruban LE that participated (those ALE people that asked about Natalee's history of "seizures") and the corrupt elements of the Public Prosecutor Office (OM) that kept steering the investigation in the wrong direction (e.g., Karin Jansen).

And during this investigation, the Dutch can now question Joran. They can do this since this is a different investigation. This will be an investigation into the coverup and into the conspiracy to assist in the coverup. They can first get statements from Joran as a "witness," then later as a "suspect" if necessary. And from the investigation, the Dutch might find evidence that points to Joran's involvement in that conspiracy. :)

Aruban LE and OM can not be trusted to investigate themselves in this matter, so the Dutch Kingdom will have to do it themselves. imo.

The link was at RU.  :lol:

edit to add... nice vms.

OMG.... Greta is telling Bill O that she is now starting to suspect police corruption....
YA THINK GRETA?????

 :cry:

San ... I am glad you brought this up.  I feel exactly the same way.

I believe that it is all about Joran directing the blame on himself and ... distancing Paulus, the Kalpoes who can implicate Paulus and ... the sons of the elite who can implicate Paulus.

I am putting together some thoughts and will share my brainwave with forum on the weekend.

Janet

Thanks Magnolia. You are a much better court reporter than I am.

I still think it doesn't matter if he is not convicted in court. He convicted himself on tape and the whole world saw it. Now he has to live with that. He may not go to jail but he did not get away with this crime.

In Canada, they do not publish the names of people they have arrested in connection with a crime until the person is charged. And they do not release details like they do in the US. England is the same. You get the details when the court cases start. Minors names are never published unless they are raised up to adult status when the crime is serious. Crimes involving children, the child's rights are protected and sometimes they cannot publish the parents names so as to protect the child, if the child could be identifed by the parents name.
But all court proceedings are public.

it is also not by law forbidden to use the surname.
also they should show suspects with black bar for their eyes.
but it is/was some kind of agreement between the dutch MSM and the law enforcement.
it is just not possible to keep doing it with since the internet and international media of course don't care about that agreement.

Greta is on BOR and making the seizure point herself.  She is really talking about it in detail.

They are also talking about Mos taking vacation in the middle of this.  BOT asking if Greta thinks they will ever prosecute. 

BOR saying he told everybody not to go to Aruba when this first broke and he is NOT going to go to Aruba.  Wants them to charge Joran but Greta says they have to wait until they can make it stick.

But Greta did a good job with the information on the seizures obviously having been reported to police very early on by questions asked the parents, etc.

.

thanks PI, I couldn't have said it better.  Surprised anyone would have her on to give her opinion on anything at this point...

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yeah, like, heeelllooo!

 ::MonkeyDance::Peter R. DeVries the Crime Reporter and Patrick van der Eem are the answer to my prayers.  I have been praying every day since this came on the tv, for Natalee's parents to find out what happened.  When I saw this show with Peter and Patrick, I knew it was an answer to my prayer. Thank you to both of them for caring enough about Natalee and her family, to do something that would find the truth.  I always read this site but not much on speaking out, but on this I had to.  ::MonkeyDance::

I honestly don't know what to think anymore. It doesn't make sense.

Either she somehow got the impression that Patrick was "prodding" (her words) Joran to say she was having a seizure, foreshadowing a possible defense for the corruption angle, or, a subtle form of Disinformation.

Not better at all....very slow typist.  I did not get to the voice analysis part.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Welcome TXSunshine82!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Interesting info tonight from Greta's and Nancy Grace's interviews:

1.  Peter de Vries thinks Paulus is involved.
2.  Dave gave a website that can track where the boat is searching, in realtime, I suppose.
3.  Peter says Daury Rodriguez is NOT the Daury Joran named.



~~~ROMNEY 2012~~~

On the tape, van der Sloot told van der Eem that Holloway suffered a seizure during a romantic encounter between the pair, who had met hours before at a local nightclub.

At another point, he told van der Eem, "I tried to shake her. … I was shaking the bitch. I was like, 'What is wrong with you man?' I almost wanted to cry."

Van der Sloot said he feels lucky the police were not able to recover Holloway's body.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4255249&page=1

Dave Holloway was horrified to hear Van der Sloot’s remarks on tape about panicking when Natalee apparently suffered a drinking-related seizure and dumping her body into the ocean with the help of a friend without knowing for sure whether she was alive or dead.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329105,00.html


http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=57529

Bill O has always been on Natalee's side.  He's been on the boycott bandwagon for a while. 
He reminds me of an angry father when he talks about this case. 
IMO he thinks PVDS is in this up to his neck, but I've never seen him accuse him directly. As outspoken as he is, that may change.  He's certainly not scared of sweatyRunningMan.

I agree that Joran's life will be hell from now on no matter if he is convicted or not.........
The world has seen the real Joran .....
And it ain't pretty....

That statement from the doctor and professor are very disturbing to me as it just makes me feel even more so that she most probably was alive when she was dumped.......

Goodnight you faithful monkeys.  ::MonkeyCool::

Joran used the word "convulsions".  Patrick used the word "shaking".  I think that was the distinction Greta was getting at.



~~~ROMNEY 2012~~~

Thank you for the welcome.

Welcome TXSunshine 82!  I know what you mean about answered prayer!  Here too...
We're glad to have you and hope you will post with us often. 

Another sunshine from texas :) Welcome to the cage!  ::MonkeyCool::

Has anybody turned up any additional Daury's yet?  I have tried searching but keep getting all the current info on D. Rodriguez and don't know how to list in reverse date order.  According to Peter de Vries, it was definitely a different Daury. . .somebody in Aruba should easily know if there is another one.

Hi TXSunshine.... welcome to the cage.... don't be shy....

You're Welcome! Peter and Patrick are definitely Heros right along with the Persistence Crew!  ::MonkeyDance::

yes Joran called the Kalpoes retards many times. and disrespected his family uncluding his father (about not putting credit on his phone).
he wants us to think he was alone on the beach the only witness.

but then i think: why didn't he say that Natalee was really dead, checked her pulse, her body temperature everything??
so i won't be murder 'just' disposing of a body.

also in the MSN-chat Joran had with his ghost-writer sunday after the broadcast.
she asked "did you both do it in the hotel with girls" (that's Patrick and Joran).
Joran said: "yes, bad isn't?" i found this very weird. of course it comes from Joran.

maybe Joran noticed Patrick's Boca Grande (his scar) and realized he was a snitch...
and thought lets make a confession in a way they won't be able to charge me.

and also why confess to Patrick? to impress?? or to get best possible out of it.
but then he was just released from aruba... so off the hook.

some things really confuse me. but i get a headache trying to think how Joran thinks.

It is impossible to think how Joran thinks because he is one sick individual ......
If I could think how he thinks I would be very afraid of myself.... ::MonkeyWink::

I think she was alive too.  She probably had a seizure and passed out.  I read something that said GHB could cause you to be out for several hours, and during that time it was impossible to rouse you.  IMO he slipped her GHB.  It probably wasn't even a "coma". 

You don't have to have a medical degree to tell if someone's alive.  Feeling a pulse, listening for breath, putting a hand on the chest to feel for a heartbeat, etc.  "Shaking the bi***" is not a valid method!

When in doubt, call 911.

He killed her.

BlueBob.... I am not convinced there is another Daury.... at least not one involved in the case....I think it was PapaSloot....JMO

- A businessman as key figure -

Patrick van der Eem (34 years old) is born on Curaçao, but also knows the island Aruba very well. He considers the Antillean islands as the most beautiful place on earth. Nowadays he lives and works successfully in the Dutch city of Arnhem, which is the same city Joran van der Sloot moved to. Patrick van der Eem is the director of Pirtek Almelo (www.pirtek.com). This is a franchise company which maintains and repairs hydraulic equipment. He speaks five languages fluently (English, Dutch, Papiamento, Spanish and German.)

http://www.peterrdevries.com/insider.htm

Yes.....He did....and then discarded her like garbage,,,,

Did Anyone catch when Dave said that the Persistence has located several targets that they will be checking out soon.....Dear Lord PLease Guide Them to Natalee and Bring Her Home. Amen! 

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Thanks for posting Anna...I mossed BOR tonight;

Also, if calico sees this, re: my witnessing my fellow classmate's epileptic seizure many years ago  - at that time there was this concern of the patient "swallowing his tongue"....The teacher did lay him down on the floor, on his side [ as you say your mother was instructed to do ] until his seizure finally subsided, but she had some sort of cloth to press down on his tongue and she was very comforting to him and was poised.....It was very disturbing to us children but she was very kind and calm and explaining things to us which helped calm us.

She had been prepared by his parents that he was an epileptic and coached as to what to do if a fit should occur.  There are wonderful medications now which ease the situation and lessen the chances of a seizure.  But, yes, the "swallowing of the tongue" was a concern at that time, years ago.

Umm ... BOR was initially on the boycott side and then he and Geraldo both stated that a boycott was unfair to Aruban people. He has not been for a boycott in quite some time as I have sent him emails after he changed his opinion saying ,,, Who's looking out for Natalee.

I like BOR but he is using revisionist history. What he first said is not what he said later.

******* - so now Glenda and MF's game is to discredit Patrick right?

I thank God that Natalee had wonderful parents, step parents, and extended family.

Beth, Dave, and Jug still going out and speaking on her behalf trying to seek justice through their pain is for lack of a better word, just AWESOME...  Each of them has touched my heart....
Tonight Dave especially trying to speak through his pain...if only every girl had a dad like Dave.
His pain was so evident but he maintained his composure even when speaking of how badly Natalee had been disrespected on the tapes.  When I think of my statements to my husband on what my thoughts were after two days of the tapes......and Dave saying I'm human and of course I had thoughts....God bless him.  And now he has to break it to his other daughters that she's not ever coming home....just heartbreaking.

I pray that God gives them all the strength to keep on speaking out for Natalee until there is justice for her.  I know that He will carry them through this.

Yes, I did catch that!

No doubt about it!

Thanks for the welcome.  I will try to speak out more instead of always just reading.  But I must warn you, I am the silent type. This is my favorite site to read about Natalee and her family.  I have followed the news and searched the internet on Natalee since the day I saw this on tv. The news about Natalee touched my heart as it did most of you on this forum. 

Yes, I caught it, too.

Also, Peter said that there is another Daury...that the Daury that's come forth in the news is not the Daury that Joran disclosed in the tape.  There is another person named Daury.

BOR still rails on the point of police being incompetent. BOR they were not stupid ... they are corrupt!!!

They knew about Joran's seizure comments and did nothing with it. They ask the question in the very beginning to Beth & Jug and because they said no, they never pursued it. Why? Because if Beth had said yes she did, they would have said she died of accidental casues. Because they said no, that meant that any seizure would have had to have been induced. And because Joran felt the need to get rid of a body, they obviously knew he was getting rid of evidence of a crime as well.

What else can they do .... other than saying Joran made it all up, they tried that and the whole world doesn't believe it....PFFFFTTTTT

Exactly Mr Red!

Wow, this is my first post, I finally got confirmation of registration. I was going to bring up this very observation.

"several targets"

Excellent!

Welcome TXSunshine 82! ::MonkeyCool::

that's very good of her.

it is a missed opportunity not talking about this with Peter.
if she did, this story would have hit the dutch MSM on friday and more dutch people would be outraged about the (alleged) cover up.
because dutch MSM is covering Peter's appearances on shows in America.

we don't watch BOR over here. but we do watch what Peter is doing.

but eventually all will be uncovered. it's only a week since Peter announced the confession-tapes.
but the media attention will shift and it will be harder to get a lot of people outraged.

yes I did Hotping!  I've already been praying that prayer too!  I just really feel like it's going to happen. 

 :smt052

Oops!  I must have missed that part.  I don't watch him every night, maybe twice a week.  I hadn't even seem him talk about it lately.  I guess that's why. 

I still hope he goes for PVDS.  Of course my confidence in that happening is small now.

My bad!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Klassend: Lala:

I know now 100% sure that they never went to the beach.

and 100% sure what XTC DNA stands for.

My location is now 100% bullet proef.

"HE WAS WALKING FACE DOWN IN THE SECONDARY ROAD, WASTLINE DOWN DIRTY OF MUD AND WAS MISSING THE RIGHT FOOD SHOE"

He never went to the beach.

CAPS

Welcome to you too, Rex! ::MonkeyCool::

Welcome Rex!   ::MonkeyWink::

I am glad that BOR is back on the bandwagon for justice.

Common sense tells you if only an accident has happened, you call someone to help not do a cover up. 

Hopefully, as political news--which has peaked short term on the Romney news and Super Tuesday results--dies down more of the US MSM will run with the facts related to the corruption surrounding this case. That should provide a spark for further international coverage, which in turn, will lead to a global outcry for justice.

Welcome to the cage Rex....

I often wonder just how many young girls have been spared because they have heeded the warnings brought on by the boycott and all of the hard work by many to get the word out about what happened to Natalee....just my thoughts!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Hi everyone!  Been in and out trying to catch up.    Hope it's not to  late   to say this:
The T-shirt is beautiful and such a great idea!  One thing though, Beth didn't like  "the water"; couldn't look at  it,   so I wonder if  putting the water  behind her  picture  is such a   good  idea?   Just a  thought.

God  bless all of you, and prayers for the Persistance and crew. 

Welcome Rex!    ::MonkeyDance::

UPDATE ON COVERUP:


3 Invstigaters from Aruba in holland to interview Joran...BS
Aruba is part of the RST GROUP " Sammen Werken Recherche Team" no need to send Aruba Investigators.

Supreme court want to see all the documents in the case....( Now lets make some new Reports and play make believe games)


Joran do not want to live in Holland anymore, Fear for his live. (Well well what if we make a scene where Joran get killed (not realy killded) and say that someone did it while he was biking to school at night. We will make a make believe funeral and the whole case is over)

did any one read the commic book BATMAN JUDDGE DREAD " THE Ultimate Riddle"

Read it and see what I have found.  "The Game"


On other Note: My net was down forr two day's. (Strange... Never ws down)

thanks CAPS! 

Cap,

I agree, the beach story is still a lie. It took ten days to concoct.

It's the van der sloot house where Natalee died.

Good Night Monkeys

Janet
9:30 PM

Probably the only truth to Jorans story is that he is responsible for what happened to Natalee....

Thank you cage dwellers for the warm welcome. We will ovecome!!

Joran really trusted Patrick I think, that is why he started to tell the real true story.  Given more time, I think he would have given it all up.  Who helped with the cover up and why there even had to be a cover up.

JVDS is not the brightest bulb, he can't remember the DETAILS but only the BULLETPOINTS that is why the confusion in his statements to Patrick, imo.  First JVDS so confidently exclaims to Patrick "even if they find her body with my semen they can't touch me" but at a later time exclaims "if they find the girl, I'm screwed".  You know why he said the later?  Because he knew that his first statement to Patrick indicates the COVERUP, with all that confidence that he is untouchable.

Joe TacoBell stated on Greta "On the Record" that he had read the 20 hours of undercover video, I believe.  I don't know how that is possible.  I find it hard to believe that Mr. Peter DeVries handed over all 20 hours of the video tape to Hans Mos & even if he did it would not have been transcripted & handed over to Joe Taco, it wouldn't have to be.  If one is not a suspect there would be no requirement regarding evidence disclosure.  I WOULD LOVE TO SEE PETER DE VRIES CALL JOE TACO OUT ON HIS OBVIOUS LYING ON USA NATIONAL TV TO GRETA.  Direct punch right between the eyes.

Would seem that if Hans Mos charges JVDS, PVDS then he would find it then necessary to subpeona the television station that Peter DeVries works for in order to obtain the data in the normal legal routine.

It has been comforting to watch a professional journalist at work who has a strong work ethic accompanied with moral & ethical values.  Peter DeVries is class personified.

Welcome Rex!

Nite Janet

Yeppers, I am truly from the texas sunshine state.. LOL.. Thank you for the welcome.

The new Monkeys are right on the money!! Everyone keep up your prayers that one of those targets is Natalee! I bet they check them out real soon...

"It has been comforting to watch a professional journalist at work who has a strong work ethic accompanied with moral & ethical values.  Peter DeVries is class personified."

Altruist, that is understatement, this guy is impressive on all levels. Greta at one point asks him about how he got involved, and he mentions going to the island and talking to people--his own investigation. I could imagine this guy has an amazing analytical mind when it comes to this stuff.

Yes and Taco's portion of Greta's show the other night that was on Greta's Site was taken down because Taco said that He said something that He should not have.....HMMMMMM?  ::MonkeyWink::

I truly feel God is going to answer that prayer real soon.  I want to thank each and every one that is out there searching.  You felt that nudge from God to go and search.  There are a lot of prayers going out for God to help you in this journey.

uhoh... three minutes left before I turn into a pumpkin......kidding

Night monkeys.....God Bless those on the Persistance and guide them to the right spot..

Welcome to all the new monkeyfaces!!!!

Diario Newspaper 2-8-07
 segun Jug Twitty,Tabata tin cover up di husticia den e desaparicion            

Friday, 08 February 2008

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Padrastro di Natalee Holloway, Jug Twitty, a bisa recientemente cu polis di Aruba algun dia despues di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway, tabata sa caba con e caso tabata hinca den otro, pero cu polis a tapa cos.

Twitty a bisa esaki despues cu el a wak grabacion di e programa di Peter R. de Vries.
Padrastro di Natalee, kende algun tempo pasa a divorcia di Beth, a bisa FoxNews, cu dos siman despues di desaparicion di Natalee el a ricibi diferente pregunta straño for di e agentenan policial di Aruba.

Nan a puntra cosnan manera: “e tabata sufri di epilepsia, of tabata tin alergia?”
“Mi tabata rabia pa e preguntanan ey”.

“Pero awor mi ta pensa, nan tabata sa caba e tempo ey, loke a sosode”.
E ta papia di un asina yama “cover up”.
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(Translation)

   
come across jug according twitty, tabata have cover up of justice in the desaparicion [/ b]

Friday, 08 february 2008 oranjestad (aan): padrastro of natalee holloway, jug twitty, owing to tell police of aruba recently cu day after some of desaparicion of natalee holloway, was know end with the case was hinca in another, but police owing cu to slapping cos.

Twitty owing to tell this after cu past owing to look at grabacion of the declaration of policy of peter r. De Vries. Padrastro of natalee, that some time owing to happen divorced of beth, owing to tell foxnews, cu week after two of desaparicion of natalee past owing to various ricibi question of odd for the police agentenan of aruba.

They owing to ask about cosnan way: "and abide was of epilepsy, or was have allergy?" "Mi was angry for her questions ey."
"But now i am think, they know end was the time ey, owing to sosode thing." Is the talk of one so calling "cover up".

http://tinyurl.com/228z49

Yes, I noted this. He said the search is moving closer to shore now.

I'm going to get a shower and head to bed, but I wanted to leave a reminder to all about the Persistence. I've been so caught up in Joran's confession that I admit to not focusing as much on what's still going on in the waters off Aruba.

This forum has always known what this is all about. It's always been about Natalee. I believe they will find her. They believe they will find her. That's how they "Stand With The Girl", and they have made incredible sacrifices to take that stand. They are still there for a reason, and there are more miracles to come. We are hanging in here for all this time because we care, and because we cannot abide injustice. I anxiously await Joran to be brought to justice and judgement be made on his actions, but I am equally anxious for a blessing; for Natalee's remains to come home and be far removed from that place. I'm remembering the crew in prayer, and expecting a miracle! God Bless Them!

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Beautiful Post CBB! I Stand With The Girl!

Watching the repeat of Greta:

G: How did he learn about the tape?

P: Well, he learned about it on television!

I, like everyone else, was glued to the tv watching Nancy Grace, LK, and Greta.  There needs to be more media coverage regarding the corruption and coverup.  All the documents that ALE has needs to be turned over to our FBI and let competent investigators (let Peter loose with all the documents!) go thru everything.  Everything needs to be accounted for.  What happened to the piece of her top that washed up, the duct tape with blonde hair stuck to it, the arm & hand bone, the missing statements of URINE, and the real statement made by Beth not the made-up one that was doctored.  Oh, and what about the belt that was found on the beach?  How can all of this be ignored?  Where are all the confessions of Urine and K2s?  Bet that is interesting reading!  I feel in my heart that all the answers are in there somewhere competent investigators can find the TRUTH.

Sorry, guess I am rambling but I have watched and followed from the start and I am so very frustrated...  You know... where I come from there are good ole' boys who would take care of URINE and would do it for the sheer pleasure of it!  (just kidding..... not really)

 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWink::

Wonder if Joran sweats like his father  ::MonkeyWink::

Hi KYcat - and welcome!

That is the next step, expose the corruption and it's already started.  In the Dutch newspapers was this:

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Amigoe.com has an article not in English yet that I believe is the same thing.  Talking about Jug's interview and the coverup.

Translation Joran's phone interview on Pauw & Witteman
February 4, 2008

Question: How did you know what he wanted to hear?

Joran: Well I had my suspicion a little bit, because he talked to other friends of mine, I did not have a super good feeling towards him.

Caps, Aruba does that to you.  once they find out what your doing, BOOM you loose connection.   They did that when I was there, in my hotel.  Funny they had it so when you googled to get to Tims site it said something to the effect of what a bad person he was.  scaredmonkeys wasnt scaredmonkeys, it was something totally different.  Hoe they do that I have no idea, but it was getting scary. 

Klaas ... I was wondering if you could post the link to the Dana Pretzer Show of last year when Jug talked about being questioned by ALE regarding whether Natalee suffered from seizures.

I lost it somewhere ...

One day ... I will have to do some housekeeping and ... figure out of system of organizing my Natalee files.

Thank you.

Janet

Thank You Klaasend for the welcome and the other monkeys that welcomed me earlier, didn't mean to ignore you!  I think it is bed time but I will take up my dilligent watch in the morning.  I have been off work because of a surgery  ::MonkeyWaa:: so I have devoted much of my time off glued to SM. ::MonkeyRoll:: 

Keep up the good work, I know I don't have much to contribute as far as information in this case because y'all have it covered.  But I proclaim my loyalty to Natalee and my determination to find the TRUTH and JUSTICE for her and her family!

See ya in the am...

http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/JugTwitty_122007_excerpt.wav   ::MonkeyWink::

Here is the direct link to the download:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/podpress_trac/web/418/0/122007.mp3

Here is the page link December 20, 2007

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/12/20/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-listen-live-tonight-at-9pm-eastern-guests-include-dr-sharon-morris-may-john-goodwin-and-jossy-mansur/

Please be careful CapsLockWizard!   ::MonkeyEek::

Solo Di Pueblo (Lots of Articles on the case)2-7-08
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Of course tons of accidents also  ::MonkeyConfused::
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Goodnight everyone!

Nite Texasmom

Nite TM!

  Please keep in mind that the Term "Swallowing your tongue "  was always being incorrectly used back then  .
  It really only meant that the tongue would lie back across the trachea  blocking the airway which is never good .
   They also taught us to use a Bite stick or a wooden depressor with much gauze taped to the end for cushioning  of it but it has now been found that this is usually unnecessary  also .  so much changes in modern emergency medicine and the treatments also .



 But, yes, the "swallowing of the tongue" was a concern at that time, years ago.
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Solo DI Pueblo 2-6-08
Can any of our dutch friends translate the text on the right for us? It looks like a chat log in dutch with Joran?
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Thanks Klaas and cbb

Good Night Monkeys ... this time I mean it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.com/files/JugTwitty_122007_excerpt.wav

I know,

a Midnight aowl (SHOCO) saw him from his veranda at 3:44 passing in fornt of his house....All in muddy from the wate down....

Have new google earth.

******* - that's in Pap not Dutch but maybe one of the Dutch posters can read pap?

Capslock - you need to get this info to Dave H, I hope you have.  I think there may have been a tipline posted in the paper today as well but I would go direct to Dave H or Jossy.

Please be careful.

It may be from my end but ... I was knocked out of the cage and ... have been trying to get back in for 30 minutes.

I bet Ducky went wild.  Oh well ... I will now climb up on his back and we will soar over the beautiful Canadian lanscape on our way to la la land.


Janet

Goodnight monkeys, praying that angels will guide the ones that God chose to find Natalee soon.

I'm squeeky Clean!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I wanted to wait until late tonight to post these, because of the extra load pictures put on the server, but there were many opinions about the color of t-shirts and how it would work, so I thought I'd give some samples. Klaas! I just can't believe you sent me that pic! I Love it!
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tsyellow.gif) (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tswhite.gif)  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tspk.gif)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tsblue.gif)  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/tsblk.gif)

Works well with any color, I think!  ::MonkeyWink::

Nite Janet

I am just talking about the chat log on MSN with Joran not the rest of the article..Isn't that dutch? Appears he is talking about Daury and Patrick? It looks like he is talking to the lady that wrote his book Zvezdana  vokojevik

I need a medium size.

Ah -- I think that's the chat Joran had with his publisher.  It's already been translated and posted but I don't know if I can find it now, LOL. 

CBB - you really need to practice in Cafepress.  The image won't end up being as large I can tell you that right now.

Just go to www.cafepress.com and click on make your own (or something like that).  You can upload a photo and see how it looks.  Also, if you go to the help pages in Cafepress there is a section where it will show you the image resolution and sizes.

O/T...Dear Monkey Family...I'll be off line for a couple of weeks...I own a facility that I'm using to sponsor a retreat for batterred women and their children...that have left abusive relationships...I have a lot of work to do...and things to prepare in advace for the Kids...those are the ones I really worry about.  My facility is closed during the winter...so I'm in a great position to donate my lodging and restaurant, food, and services to this cause...plus I'm from a toxic FOO, so I know how much they need this...I just feel blessed that I can *pay it forward*...

I'll be offline for a bit...will check in when I can...if anyone needs to contact me...Klaas has my email addy...just ask her..or, send yours to Klaas to give to me....I Love YOU ALL!!!

I STAND WITH THE GIRL....

Destiny

Ah..Ok..I never saw it..I just see him talking about Daury and Patrick..Telling her about Patrick doing coke and stuff and Daury being half Aruban..Thought something may of been of interest in that.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Caps? Destiny asked me to design a t-shirt, and this is something that I put together. It's in someone elses court now, I wouldn't begin to know how to proceed from here, but I'm sure someone will!
Klaas sent me the background picture and it was the same one I picked too! I knew it must be a keeper...........this is Klaas' t-shirt as much as it is mine!
I'd bet it will be available soon, but someone other than me will have to advise when.  ::MonkeyWink::

This is more of what it would actually look like on the t-shirt:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/NatT.jpg)

i am surprised this hasn't been covered by SM yet.
the chat is between Joran and Zvezdana Vukojevic, the ghost writer of Joran's book.
the chatted on the evening of the sunday Peter R. was broadcasted in the netherlands.
it was very well covered in the dutch media.

Zvezdana Vukojevic als contacted the wrong Daury (Rodriquez) before the broadcast to notify him he was going to be mentioned in the broadcast
so Joran has told Zvezdana Vukojevic to contact Daury R. even though he told Patrick another Daury (bleep).
maybe Joran forgot wich Daury he had mentioned

http://www.dag.nl/Nieuws/Artikelpagina-Nieuws/Ik-ben-ergens-waar-niemand-het-weet.htm

here the translation from http://forums.mirror.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=1065522#1065522

Terwijl heel Nederland de huiveringwekkende bekentenis over Natalee Holloway op tv volgt, zit Joran van der Sloot te msn-en (alias: Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master altijd 1 stap voor). Hij heeft geen idee over de verontwaardiging die hij heeft losgemaakt. Hij chat met een DAG-journaliste die een boek met hem schreef.
While Holland is watching his horrible confession about Natalee Holloway on the television, Joran is chatting using msn messenger (his alias: Joran Forc@ Barc@ Chess master, always 1 step ahead!). He has no clue about the indignation he caused. He chats with an DAG-reporter who co-wrote his book.

Joran Forc@ Barc@!! Schaak Master, altijd 1 stap voor: Hoi, hoe gaat 'ie
Hi, how are you?
Z: Wat is nou de waarheid?
What is the truth?
J: Ha ha, je weet het zelf niet meer. Kom op Zvezdana. Ik heb toch ook tegen de recherche geluld. Dit wordt ook gewoon een lulverhaal want het klopt niet, maar dat maakt het in mijn ogen misschien *** erger.

Hahah, you dont remember anymore. Come on Zvezdana. I have also lied to the police. This is just a piece of **** (or: a story he made up), because it isnt correct, but maybe what I`m concerned, this makes it only worse.
Z: Zit je nou in Friesland?
Are you in Friesland (=one of the northern states of Holland_J: Ik ben ergens waar niemand het weet en misschien moet ik Nederland wel verlaten.
I am somewhere no one knows and I might have to leave Holland.
Z: Wegens dreigementen?

Because of threats?
J: Denk niet meer dat ik hier naar school kan.
I dont think I`ll be able to go to school here anymore.
Z: Euh... nee.
Uh..No.
J: Nee, maar een hoop mensen zijn boos.
No, but a lot of people are mad.
Z: Dat snap ik wel. Je hebt heel duidelijk en kil verteld dat je een meisje dood hebt laten gaan en in zee hebt gepleurd. Wat zeiden je ouders?
I can understand. You told really clear and cold how you let a girl die and tossed her body in the ocean. What did your parents say?
J: Zij weten ook wel dat het een lulverhaal is. Vanaf hoe ik m'n litteken heb gekregen tot aan alles. Ik was behoorlijk stoned. Ik ben 8 maanden met hem omgegaan hè, dus je hoort nu alleen wat zij willen.

They know its a piece of ****. From how I got my scar to everything. I was pretty stoned. I hang around with for 8 month, so now you only hear what they want you to hear.

Z: Besef je hoe erg het is? Denkt je advocaat dat je weer wordt opgepakt?

Do you understand how bad it is? Does your attorney think they`ll arrest you once again?

J: Nee, hij denkt van niet, maar je weet het nooit, en ja, ik weet hoe erg het is. Ja, sorry voel me ook niet zo goed.

No, he thinks not, but you`ll never know and yes, I know how bad it is. Yes. I don’t feel well either.
Z: Waar voel je je niet goed over? Dat de hele wereld dit ziet en nooit meer gelooft wat je over Natalee zegt?

Where do you feel bad about? The whole world watching this and not believing anything you say about Natalee anymore?

J: Allebei.

Both.

Z: Heb je gehuild toen je het zag?

Did you cry when you were watching the broadcast?

J: Nee, ik huil niet. Ik heb het samen met Leon (advocaat, red.) bekeken. Kijk, ik wist wat ging komen. Was precies hoe ik dacht. Jammer dat ze alles weg hebben geknipt wat Patrick zei.

No, I never cry. I watched it together with Leon (lawyer). Look, I knew what was coming. It was exactly what I thought it would be. Too bad they cut out everything Patrick said.
Z: Maar wat vonden je ouders ervan?

What did your parents think?

J: Ja, ik had ze al alles verteld. Ze hebben meegeluisterd via de telefoon.

Yes, I told them already everything. They listened to the broadcast by phone.

Ik heb er niet voor gekozen om dit met de buitenwereld te delen. Ik dacht: gewoon een gesprek tussen mij en m'n dealer. Ik vertel hem wel wat hij wil horen.

It wasnt my choice to share this with the world. I thought: just a conversation between me and my dealer. I`ll just tell him what he wants to hear.

Z: Wiet? Gaf hij je ook coke?

Weed? Did he give you coke also?

J: Nee mij niet maar hij snuift zelf zo veel dat zijn neus bloedt.

No, not to me, but he sniffs (as in: uses cocaine) so much his nose bleeds all the time.

Z: En hebben jullie samen meisjes gedaan op hotelkamer?

Did you do some girls together in a hotelroom?

J: Ja allemaal. Erg he.

Yes, everything. Bad huh?

Z: Hoe kan jij *** aantonen dat meer van wat er is uitgezonden gelul is?

How can you prove that the footage is ********?


J: Ja, niks ervan gaat kloppen, dus dan moet het wel gelul zijn toch. Het OM gaat dit zeker onderzoeken maar als ze niks vinden? Dan kan het toch niet waar zijn?

Yes, nothing is going to add up, so it must be ******** right? The OM is definetly going to investigate this, but if they don’t find anything? Then it cant be true, right?

Z: Je sprak over een medeplichtige half-Arubaan, half-Nederlands, woont hier, ietsje ouder. Ik dacht...

You talked about a accomplice. Half aruban, half dutch. Livs here, a but older. I thought…

J: Haha, je bent te erg Zvezdana. Denk je echt dat iemand dat 3 jaar lang voor zichzelf houdt?

Hahaha, youre too bad Zvezdana. Do you really think someone will keep this a secret for 3 years?

Kan toch niet, welke reden zou die daar voor hebben?

J: Cant be, what reason would that person have?


Z: Ik snap gewoon niet goed waarom je nu voor het eerst een heel gedetailleerd verhaal bij elkaar ‘liegt’ en zegt dat je er wel iets mee te maken hebt. Wat heb je daar zelf nou aan?

I dont understand why you at this moment, for the first time, will make up a pretty detailed story and say you did have something to do with it. Whats in it for you?

J:Hij beloofde me veel geld. Hij deed zich voor als een echte gangster

He promised me a lot of money. He pretended to be a real gangster.

my posting is not needed i see now.
i am turning into an insomaniac.

Thanks caesu  ::MonkeyCool::

I think it was translated here but on a day where I was 25 pages behind so I missed it

But, Klaas, I don't want to   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyHaHa::

My learning curve for stuff runneth over! Destiny said for me to just create whatever I wanted, and I did that, ( can you hear the whine?)

ohhhhhh, ok. I'll twist and shuffle on over there, but I might trip on my lower lip........

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

I'm good with that.........and I didn't learn a thing!! <grin>  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyRoll::

Oh, you really are a monkey, caesu!!  ::MonkeyWink::

Thank You Caesu...I had not read it either.... ::MonkeyWink::

the headline on that article, you posted this als on fok!forum, says:

60% of Arubans believes confession Joran.

but it says more. i don't now if it means that 40% thinks he is not guilty or just believe it went differently as in he raped her or did other unspeakable things.

Caesu, welcome to Insomniacs Anonymous.

Oh, I am standing with the Girl read of "things of interest" by our Persistence angels.

And (s)he heard their voices calling h(er) name, and shouting from the field to field telling one another of the coming of the ship.

And she said to (her)self:

Shall the day of parting be the day of gathering?

And shall it be said that my eve was in truth my dawn?

CBB - check your messages please  ::MonkeyWink::

GOODNIGHT ALL!

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Actually during my early days of medical education during the 60's it was admitted even then that "swallowing of the tongue" was anatomically impossible -- but over the years people have misconstrued the real reason bite sticks were even used...This would actually be considered an "urban myth" to swallow one's tongue.

While it can be possible and even probable that a victim's tongue could obstruct the airway, remember during seizure the body normally is very active, but only briefly before the seizure is over and the body relaxes --- the longer the seizure the more serious the condition. The real truth, is that in those days to attempt to put something in the mouth was to "protect" the tongue from being bitten, sometimes partially bitten off -- hence the terminology "bite stick".  During a seizure the victim has absolutely no control of the body and the jaws actually contain some of the most powerful muscles in the body.

I really am going to bed. Goodnight all, and thanks Klaas for putting the real t-shirt up, and for all you do everyday for us! Sweet dreams!

Caesu...Do You know if there is a way to find birth records for the Netherlands or Aruba? TIA  ::MonkeyWink::

Oh and btw....

For those of you you still haven't heard the Dan Pretzer Show(s) or who have had problems trying to play it just download the free Kickradio Toolbar at the link below and install it on your IE or Firefox browser.  It is seamless, easy and when you click on player you will find the scared monkeys radio link which includes all the podcasts and you can listen to your favorite episode.  We link into every new podcast Dana does so you can catch the future episodes with no difficulty.  You can surf the net while still listening -- no spyware or adware, just facts....

Thanks :) I erased that at FOK and put up something more interesting for them to read..
Night All!

also i read http://forensicthoughtprints.com/ the latest post from Andrew Hodges.
very interesting stuff.
he writes he has seen the dutch version of the program and a bit more was shown.
that's defenitely true.

but i am sorry to say but some things are not correctly written down by Andrew Hodges.
not important (or maybe it is crucial?) but wrong.

he mentioned this Daury Rodriquez again, well Joran never said Rodriquez.
*i hate Joran so much because we have been wasting time on Daury and it is al one big LIE.*

also he writes this:
Partrick said: Did foam come from her mouth?
Joran said: no

now i see that he acknowledges there is debate about this.
i think this is added by mr. Hodges, i am glad he did.

another thing, and this is graphic detail so be warned:


Joran says he was fingering her and he want her to s*** his c*** (in dutch we just write this down but you know what i mean) but Natalee didn't respond anymore (that moment i realized 'something bad happened')

mr. hodges writes 'one more time' and then thinks it was gangrape (Kalpoe bros.).
but Joran dit not say 'one more time'.

of course i can be wrong too, so if it is crucial look it up analyze the tapes, transcripts.
or ask me again to confirm, i have got sundays program on my hard disk in dvd quality (not youtube quality)

Thank You Silverfox!  ::MonkeyWink::

no i don't know. apart from going actually going to the stadskantoren (city bureau's)
but not online. and even in the stadskantoren they wont give you this information easily.
with deceased persons you have more luck. many dutch cementries keep records online.

maybe try hobby-genealogy sites, or schoolbank.nl this is a site where past schoolmates meet up again.
it was years ago very popular, but after they started asking fees for certain functions (to contact each other), many left schoolbank.nl

Thank You Very Much....I will give it a try!  ::MonkeyWink::

you are quite welcome!  ::MonkeyCool::

Klassend, LALA:

Check Mbox

From the PIVA System. Have to ask Pablo the director.

Not everyone has left schoolbank.nl  I see Anita has been looking up old friends  ::MonkeyWink::


Ms Anita of of the Sloot(Hugen - pine farmer) on SchoolBANK.nl. this page has registered has been for free intended for (old) friends and (oud-)klasgenoten of Anita of of the Sloot(Hugen - pine farmer) that in contact wants come. Are you in search of Anita of of the Sloot(Hugen - pine farmer)? Register you then free on SchoolBANK.nl to retrieve its rapidly

http://www.schoolbank.nl/klasgenoot/anita-van-der-sloot-hugen-den-boer/275692061

That is the next step, expose the corruption and it's already started.  In the Dutch newspapers was this:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/detelegraaf.jpg)

Amigoe.com has an article not in English yet that I believe is the same thing.  Talking about Jug's interview and the coverup.
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Well, folks, I have said from when I joined this group that I believe ALE has, and has had, her body since Joran's first, then recanted, confession that 'something bad happened'.
To hear of Joran talking about Natalee having what seemed like a seizure only made that belief stronger;
that they (ALE) have known since the first week of her disappearance, what happened to Natalee, and they were scrambling against themselves to try and make the whole ugly thing go away for the sake of the mighty tourism dollar.

Joran in de mix  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/41180/3bb72018/joran_in_de_mix.html

*******..I'm trying to find out what year and where Valentijn Van Der Sloot was born....Mum and Lala's need it in the S/S thread.  ::MonkeyWink::

It is sad, but Top 95 and the news papers, all have been feeding these bogus stories to the native of Aruba that they believe what the newspapers are saying including also the news radios..Listen to the radios of Aruba , you can hear Edmond Croes at top95 injecting BS and sensasionalizing the Joran story and not showing or say it is a coverup....Wel he can not do that either otherwise be shutdown by the government.  Remember Friends and Famaly..so what the folks believe is what they have heard..but a lot has seen 20/20 on monday...now hey know a bit but not much..I can wait for tat day of wrath....

Hotping,I have seen his DOB somewhere,I will try and find it tommorow..It's 3am and if I don't sleep now ill be messed up all day tommorow :(

We know it is Dec 13th  but not where and the year....Thanks!

Good Night Monkeys!

Yes,I am familiar with this guy.. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Email sent out on June 9th 2005 by Edmond Croes of top Radio 95 and told to distribute to every website so Arubans can fight back. Just hours after JK2 were first arrested.
(Papi Translation)

06-09-2005 12:56 pm
hello arubianonan, you can follow the self desaroyo, but tra precupami the criticanan of certain American upstairs aruba. I am suggested among follow you for another www.misfitting.com, read the commentsnan try and form good at defence for aruba. We trahando is hard at aruba for fight back, all will criticizes cu can perhudica aruba. You aid is necessary. If you have another website where have forums, please inform. Upstairs www.misfitting.com they lastra aruba! Y is we have to take accion y we defends self against atakenan infunda. Cualkier informacion, tips, the.d. In my mail: top@setarnet.aw please fordward this for all aruban in you list. Bye.

Edmond croes top radio 95 fm mail: top@setarnet.aw or edmondcroes@hotmail.com one acusacion false and infunda of cnn: aruba is one country of prostitucion and drugs. Aruba is exports prostitute for the netherlands and Europe. Well at the netherlands we have bad name finish om come across, or do you bisanan cu are you one aruban they stay look at the meno wtf you, the person of europe person is very self pendew om aworaki they hariendu we of about owing to happen cu nathalee aino hand already but life goes on: aruba:
http://www.racejunkies.com/forums/printthread.php?t=1665&pp=40

Lets open a ScaredMonkeys ebay Store and a paypall account. get some wold class ads around the world... The cuase will be for..... and

The proceed will be used to build a Natalee Holloway C.S.I and  The NETWORK to solve Missing person.

Just imaging the power of Internet and Google and Google Earth to solve these type of problems.

there are also a few very funny re-enactments  ::MonkeyHaHa::
one is about a soccer player making excuses in car why he can't come participating in the next match.
telling loads of lies how he tricked everybody.
many many jokes are going around. also fok-forum is full of it. some are more sinister also of course.

you must have seen fok-forum created an entire sub-forum dedicated to Joran?
http://forum.fok.nl/forum/156

it is unbelievable what an impact peter r. de vries had in the country.
i am really asking why the prime minister (Balkenende) hasn't spoken out. so many people are deeply confused what f*** happended those 2.5 years.

every friday afternoon he does a short interview to news show EenVandaag.nl
but i doubt many will watch that, he has made himself irrelevant by not speaking out earlier on something the entire country is talking about. 7 mln people watched it 45% of the country.
comparison that would be 130 mln people in the USA??

well, i think most old friends will kick her back in her ditch where she belongs.

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

OM: Criticizing Peter R. is hypocritical

vrijdag 8 februari 2008 08:03

OM-top official says that crime reporter Peter R. has dan a superb job in the case Holloway
But there has to be more debate about the role of citizens in de judicial investigations.

Chairman of the college of head-prosecutors Brouwer says this in a interview in newspaper Trouw.
The top-official says that all criticizing in de media is hypocritical.

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/nederland/artikel/asp/artnr/191869/index.html

Harm Brouwer is the highest prosecutor in the entire kingdom.
Hans Mos is only a little one compared to him.

like i said yesterday, but i am only guessing:
i think Hans Mos is not on 'vacation' but he is getting an ass-whipping from the college of prosecutor - Harm Brouwer is chairman.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_Brouwer

i am not making this up, i can't hardly believe what i am reading in this Trouw article.


chairman of the college of prosecutors-general of the Netherlands. he is the highest official in the Openbaar Ministerie (OM) Public Prosecution.

 ::MonkeyDance::

Yes,I see that from your board,this is crazy!..Now even a song about Joran also  ::MonkeyEek::
My Name is Joran Van Der Sloot
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/41256/1ec96d67/mijn_naam_is_joran.html

Awesome!  ::MonkeyDance::

i god this is really funny. without understanding it you can imagine how hilarious some of these things are  ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/41150/56709cef/peter_r_de_vries_pwned_verachte_.html

here an other undercover action by peter r. de vries.

very short summary:

this guy burned his house down with his wife in it because she found out that he had a gamble addiction.
peter r. tricked him in assisting another man to get rid of his wife too (this other man was undercover).
(he is still a free man  ::MonkeyNoNo:: )

but peter r. is not letting go. in december 2007, right around his undercover action with Patrick he did another program about this case.

Caps....I said back when J2Ks were arrested in November that the statements may be rewritten. They weren't questioned so what were they doing. Well we know Joran was on myspace and talking to his buds on his cell. This cover-up is so huge that anything is possible.

No body is talking about the Kalpoes....800 million dollars is a heck of a lot of money....

Funny about your net being down.....was having a heap of problems myself.....took about an hour to load a page.....in 3 years with a dish I have never experienced anything like it.....must have been at their end....


ANYBODY SEEN FREDDY?.....

good morning monkeys !!

just a quick question (and sorry if i ask this in the wrong location... i'm still feeling my way around the cage):

i DON'T do bumper stickers, but ever since it was clear there was a cover-up going on in aruba, i've been looking for either a(n) "BOYCOTT ARUBA" or "ARUBA SUCKS" bumper sticker for my car (or both ::MonkeyCool:: ). Of course, if ALE throws that lying scheming rapist punk in jail now and throws away the key, i'll consider not affixing it to my car LOL ... i've seen a BOYCOTT ARUBA one @ cafepress.com but i really want one with natalee's picture on it. does anyone know where i can buy one? i'll be back later this afternoon to check for responses. thanks!!

You don't have to have a medical degree to tell if someone's alive.  Feeling a pulse, listening for breath, putting a hand on the chest to feel for a heartbeat, etc.  "Shaking the bi***" is not a valid method!  But you are required to be a doctor to pronounce anyone dead in most hospitals in most states simply because it is difficult in many circumstances to determine if someone is dead or alive by checking for a pulse, or respirations, even with a stethescope under bright lights used by a RN with training. Exceptions include but are not limited to coroners, who in some states are not required to be doctors. While drug overdoses are not the only circumstance under which this is difficult to determine, it is one of the leading conditions. So for a drunken, drugged, sexually excited buffoon to determine in the dark of night on a beach, or by his accomplice, the clean up crew, to declare that she was dead is void of authority that she was dead, and she must be presumed alive absent an autopsy to verify that she indeed was dead before she drowned. Thus if we find no body, and can do no autopsy, she must be presumed alive and those two are guilty of murder, period.

If that isn't murder, then Joran you can bet that people are going to follow you, and when you get all tanked up and pass out, which you know you do on a regular basis, just know that one of these times someone is going to find your punk a**, and shake your fat a**, and go, this bast*rd is dead, lets get a boat and drive him a couple of miles out in the ocean and toss you to the sharks. That is so much less trouble than dialing for an ambulance, at a phone you are already at from your earlier call to your clean up crew. I understand, the cost of a 2nd phone is a little cost prohibitive.

For all of you folks in Aruba, have at him by all means, this is not considered murder there, even if they get a taped confession from you.

Well, please be very careful....

Any ideas what this would do to the timeline with regards to the computer and phone records?

Not sure where the verandah is though....

Good morning monks!

Have we confirmed whether or not Joran met with police yesterday?  If so, Dutch or Aruban?

Seems we have conflicting info and I was just curious.  Would love it if the Dutch interrogators were able to break him down but with him being such a lying POS I am confident that if he speaks it will be still yet another tale.

We have to make sure the coverup is kept in forefront.

Have a great day all!

Good Morning!

http://www.petitiononline.com/holloway/petition.html

Would a seasoned monkey start a new petition with updated material?

I will be the first to sign it.

http://hollowaycase.com/archive/

Good Morning.

I got a video from Bamboo this morning and it is actually the most remarkable WTF video of all time involving in the Natalee Holloway case.

You have to see for yourselves just how screwed up the thinking on Aruba is.

The person on the video is not Bamboo. That person is DR T.

Julia Renfro is even mentioned. That will make her drab dreary day that much brighter.

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/

Someone posted the other day.....'ask Sambo' could this be Sambo?

Comment reporting officer: At 20.05 hours the assistent district attorney, inspector first class J.C. SAMBO informed the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT that he would be held for questioning at the police station in Noord on which the suspect P.A.P.J. van der SLOOT responded that he would resist the incarceration because it was a completely insane and absurd action.

Hey beans! I am not clear on if he met with them or not either.... but I am willing to bet the farm that if he did and made any statement at all it was that he lied (NO KIDDING) that he made the whole thing up and that is all he has to say.....

I keep trying to make his story fit with what we know and am stuck on "Natalee hit her head", the casino video, the Kalpoes cleaning their car among other things.... I don't think the something bad happened at the beach.....
As far as Natalees disposal I keep going back to the piece of material.....er fishnet (RIGHT) among other things....
I still think Paulus is the one who knows where Natalee ended up... JMO

Destiny give him a call -

phone # of the Sambo - 297.586.3003.  and 587.0009

Rob....The part in the very beginning where it says "Project Smoke" says it all....
WTF are those people smoking over there anyway....
The Natalee Holloway case is more than it seems.....Not anymore , the whole world is becoming aware that it has been a cover-up from the beginning.....
THEY were obstructed in the investigation.....
About the White House....
Natalee never planning on coming home....
I am totally speechless.....
That shit they are smoking is different than any weed I ever heard about....

WTF is an understatement....
Thanks for the good work Rob...

Good Morning Monkeys!  I don't post to often, but I do what to let you all know how grateful I am that some has kept the Natalee Holloway case alive.  I have been keeping up with you since May 30 2005!  Yes I to was lost in the "Crash", but nonethe less have kept up!  Thanks for all you do!

Morning Mum - well when she comes back maybe she can call and ask him for a picture too. I don't think one exists. I thought I found one the other day and someone who has dealt with him does not believe the person in the photo is Sambo.

Good morning.  Welcome to the new monkeys. 

I am not crazy about the water in the background either.  (Too busy)  I like the beautiful picture of Natalee and the words in fuschia. Simple and elegant.   I'm also concerned the water wouldn't reproduce well enough......

Mother Van der Sloot: Joran has no half brother

Family Van der Sloot with left, Anita van der Sloot.  Joran has two younger brothers.

ORANJESTAD – The mother of Joran van der Sloot, Anita, wants to clear up the rumours that Joran has a half brother; he does not; this half brother does not exist.  She told the Amigoe this yesterday.   

Amigoe reported yesterday that the Dutch current affairs column and the local radio transmitter Cool FM assumed that a certain Lorenzo van R. was the person that helped murder-suspect Joran dispose of Natalee Holloway’s body with a boat.  Daury Rodriguez’s name was mentioned earlier as the ‘boatman’, but Rodriguez denied this.  Joran van der Sloot said in the talked-about footage of Peter R. de Vries that he was helped by ‘Daury’.

Also in the early stages of the investigation, family Van der Sloot has rebutted this rumour.  “Justice has investigated it at that time and could ascertain that nothing tallies.  But the media is digging into it again.  How are Joran’s brothers going to understand this now?  They asked me if what is in the Amigoe is true; that they have a half brother.  This is on top of everything that has already happened.”

Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true.  The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990.  “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times.  Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”

‘Joran-shows’

The Netherlands as well as the United States are keeping a close track of all the latest developments in the Holloway-case.  The Netherlands that was the first to broadcast Peter R. de Vries’ footage last Sunday, noted a viewing record of seven million people.  ABC has broadcast the footage on Monday and at least 12 million Americans watched it, which is 11 percent of the TV-viewers at that moment.

De Vries has meanwhile left for the US to appear in several prominent talk shows.  Aruban televiewers could watch the footage on ABC via cable for the first time on Monday.  They have already seen and heard fragments via local radio- and TV-transmitters and on internet earlier. 

Patrick van der Eem, the man that encouraged a confession from Joran van der Sloot on a hidden camera, seems to become ‘the big hero’ in the Netherlands and in the US, confirmed the office of Peter R. de Vries.  The telephone hasn’t stopped ringing and several bouquets were delivered ‘out of appreciation’.

http://www.amigoe.com/english/

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_39496.php

Destiny, do you need any help with that?  If so, please email me (see Klaas).  Perhaps I can help somehow.  If not, you have my prayers for success and my undying admiration for what you do for battered women.

Could this be a deal breaker for JVDS ?
He was sleeping, though. Was it a bad muddy dream?

Anyone have a link to Batman/Judge Dredd - The Ultimate Riddle, for reading?

Good Morning Anna.....Thank You...so Anita said they moved in 1990, not what we have as 1991....so just where was Val born again, Anita?

Keep talking Sloots.....LOL

Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true.  The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990.  “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times.  Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”

Sorry Anna....I don't want to anger, especially after you just delivered such a gem....but you could say Joran has known Lorenzo nearly his whole life!


By the way I still believe Freddy is up to his eyeballs in this....

Question. How did everybody get the spelling of Daury? Couldn't it be Dorry? Or Dowry? Or Dury? They were going by the name as Joran pronounced it. I don't think Patrick asked him to spell it. Just wondering.

GoodMorning Monkeys  ::MonkeyWink::

 http://www.fokkinel.com/2008/02/joran-van-der-sloot-might-be-arrested-on-monday/

Joran van der Sloot might be arrested on Monday
Posted by PilzIn Fok Natalee
8Feb 08

Aruban authorities are reviewing the confession video and will make a decision next whether or not to arrest Joran van der Sloot. The Dutch legal system, of which Aruba is a part, is an inquisitorial legal system. This means that during the investigation a judge does not act as a referee as in adversarial systems such as the US’s. Judges in inquisitorial systems such as the Netherlands’ actually have an investigative task. They preside over the investigation, determine what investigative measures and steps can be taken and try to determine the facts in the case. The ‘Investigative Judge’ in the Natalee Holloway case is right now deciding if Joran is to be arrested again or not.

The Aruban prosecutors’ office petitioned the judge last week to arrest Joran van der Sloot. The judge however did not concur, mainly because Joran has already been arrested twice. Because of this he concluded that the confession and the manner in which it was prompted did not warrant an arrest.  The prosecutors is trying to make its’ case for third time’s the charm and is appealing the decision. They have until this afternoon to submit more information to the judge to strengthen their appeal. The judge has stated that a decision will not be made today but rather next week.

Has Mos, the lead prosecutor, is not helping with the appeal because he currently is in the Netherlands on vacation. Dutch police would like to interview Van der Sloot but have to wait for the judge’s decision before being able to do so.  More expected on Monday.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
... How Did Natalie Holloway Die?
Aired February 7, 2008 - 21:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PATRICK VAN DER EEM: What happened to her? What the (EXPLETIVE DELETED) happened to her? Joran, listen. I'm from Aruba. I know the beach.

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: And I'm telling you the honestly I know what happened to that girl.

VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran? She's dead, isn't she?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. She's never going to be found.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Natalee's mother and the reporter who uncovered the story react.

<snipped>

Do we finally know what happened to Natalee Holloway? You'll want to see this, after the break.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can't. You know, people can also go into a coma.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

Have secretly recorded videotapes finally solved the Natalee Holloway case? It's been nearly three years since the American teenager disappeared in Aruba. Suspicion in the case has centered on Joran van der Sloot. He's been arrested and released three times in the case. But in mid-December, Aruban prosecutors announced that they were closing the investigation. And then last week, a bombshell -- hidden camera footage played on Dutch TV showed Joran claiming he was with Natalee when she collapsed on a beach in Aruba and that he asked a friend to dump her body into the sea.

Joining us now in New York is Beth Holloway, Natalee's mother. Natalee disappeared May 30th, 2005.

Also in New York is Peter Devries, the Dutch crime reporter who orchestrated the undercover surveillance operation against van der Sloot, long time suspect in the case.

Before we talk, let's take a look at a segment of the hidden camera tape some believe constitute a confession by van der Sloot. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP

VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran?

VAN DER SLOOT: Morta, she's dead, isn't she?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course.

VAN DER EEM: Did she die or what?

VAN DER SLOOT: But do you think -- come on. I would never kill a girl.

VAN DER EEM: No, I think, so. Joran, you know (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

VAN DER SLOOT: I just lucked out, that's all. That's -- that's what it was.

VAN DER EEM: What do you mean?

VAN DER SLOOT: Well, that it's just -- something happened there.

VAN DER EEM: Well, of course, something happened there. She's no longer around, is she?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. And the ocean's big, isn't it?

VAN DER EEM: Of course. The sea is big, man.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: OK. Beth Holloway, how do you react seeing something like that, hearing something like that?

BETH HOLLOWAY, NATALIE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: Well, Larry, you know, it's difficult to -- you know, when I hear that, the words coming out of Joran. But I think the most difficult aspect of that is how he imitates her while she's suffering. I think that is -- gosh, that's just the hardest thing for me to comprehend as a human being, to listen to him and how he has such a disregard and just an utter, utter disregard for just the existence of human life.

And I'm thinking he certainly had the ability to seek help for her, to call an ambulance and see if someone could come. And he just chooses to call a friend to dispose of her, you know, body. And I just can't imagine another human being committing such a heinous act, or just such a barbaric action.

KING: Do you gather from listening to that she -- she was not murdered?

HOLLOWAY: Well, when I hear Joran, what I'm hearing, though, is he doesn't know, Larry, if Natalee was alive or not when he decided to dispose of her body. So, yes, he is a murderer, Larry, to me.

KING: Yes, all right.

HOLLOWAY: There is no way a 17-year-old can make a decision whether a young woman is alive or not. She could have been in a coma easily.

KING: Peter, explain how this whole -- this tape came about.

PETER DEVRIES, REPORTER, INITIATED ON-CAMERA "STING": Well, Larry, this tape came about because some guy named Patrick came to me and he said I am a close friend of Joran, he trusts me completely and I think he's not telling the truth about what happened to Natalee that night on the beach.

Is there something I can do for you? Yes. Well, I said, I think so. And then we worked out a plan with the hidden camera and the undercover camera operation.

KING: Why do you think he confessed?

DEVRIES: Well, I think he confessed because he was just released out of prison. The case was closed and he considered himself as a winner of the case. And, well, this guy Patrick, he trusted him completely. They were playing poker. They were cruising around. And he thought it was safe to tell him in the car.

KING: Now, Patrick -- who unearthed the confession -- he has a kind of tainted background, the fact that he was using marijuana to help gain this confession. Any concerns about who you collaborated with?

DEVRIES: Well, Patrick, indeed, has a conviction in the past, but that is already more than 12 years ago. And he is now a respected businessman. So there's no problem with that, I think.

And about the pot smoking in the car, that's the daily routine of Joran. Patrick didn't push him. Patrick didn't ask him to do that. He -- Joran just did what he wanted to do himself.

KING: Beth, do you believe this?

DEVRIES: I believe the confession, yes. I am convinced.

KING: Yes. But does -- does Beth believe it?

HOLLOWAY: Larry, I do believe the words that Joran was admitting to Patrick. I do. And I think there are a lot of things that, you know, we knew were transpiring early on and, you know, when we're hearing the condition and how he's describing her and, you know, his actions. Yes, absolutely I do, Larry. And I feel as if, for the first time, I saw the Joran that I had met that first night at the Holiday Inn. And I -- I felt like I hadn't seen him in the last two-and-a-half years. But when I saw him in the car with Patrick, I was like there he is. That's the Joran that I met that night at the Holiday Inn hotel.

KING: We'll be right back with Beth Holloway and Peter Devries on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE.

More to come. Don't go away.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course, he did.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do it then?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: I pronounced it Joran Van Der Sloot, because it's spelled S-L-O-O-T. But the correct Dutch pronunciation as Sloot, if it were S-L-O-A-T. My apologies. Let's take a look at another clip, taken some hours -- from some 20 hours of hidden camera tape. This one involves Joran talking about a boat -- a boat owning friend he says he asked to dispose of the body.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM: How far do you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job. This guy really knows what he's doing. Did he weigh her down to make her sink?

VAN DER SLOOT: I don't think so.

VAN DER EEM: You don't even know that?

VAN DER SLOOT: No. VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course he did.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do it then?

VAN DER SLOOT: He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.

VAN DER EEM: He just threw her overboard, just like that? You've been really lucky, you know? You've really been lucky.

VAN DER SLOOT: That's what I say. I've been very lucky.

VAN DER EEM: Really lucky. That he has been so stupid to do this, you know? Then you have a giant angel hanging over your head.

VAN DER SLOOT: I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Hard to believe. Beth, to your knowledge, what are the Dutch authorities going to do with this bit of information?

HOLLOWAY: Well, I think what they are planning on doing is to requestion Joran, and I'm not sure when that's taking place. Peter Devries might have more information than that -- on that then me. But I believe they were either headed to Holland, where he is in school, to perhaps question him some more, and I think that they'd also maybe were able to secure some -- some of his e-mail or cell phone, computer records. So, not too clear on exactly how that's going to transpire.

KING: Peter, do you know what's going to happen?

DEVRIES: Well, Larry, I understood that Joran offered to make a statement to the police investigators today. I don't know what he has been saying there, but he made a statement, and that's a very important development, because until this day, Joran refused to talk to the police. And he didn't say a thing about his whereabouts that night on the beach.

KING: Beth, has this finally, at least -- it's such an overused term -- put closure for you?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, what it really does -- it does in some way, Larry, and it just gives me the answers that I need. And it just brings to light, you know, what we have, you know, felt was there in front of us all along, but we could just not grasp it. So, it does. It gives you -- it's really given me just a lot of peace and comfort in finally knowing what happened.

I think it's a daily torture for a family that has a missing loved one and the not knowing. So, I can now say, Larry, you know, even though the knowing is difficult, the not knowing, that is just sheer hell. It really is. KING: Let's take another look at another video clip, one some people believe offers a chilling insight into Joran's character.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER SLOOT: And he says, Joran, what have you done. But she looks sweet, you know.

VAN DER EED: She's just lying still?

VAN DER SLOOT: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He says, what happened? I said, I don't know either man.

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course, I tried everything man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I was like, what's wrong with you man. I almost wanted to cry. Why does this have to happen to me? I said to him, this isn't possible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Beth, can you explain it all, rationalize to yourself, his cavalier attitude?

HOLLOWAY: Gosh, Larry, I just can't. I just can't imagine, as I said earlier, having such an utter disregard for someone's life. I don't know why, if you weren't involved in, you know, the disappearance or, you know, the possible death of someone -- as I said, we don't know if Natalee was in a coma or not when he disposed of her body, but why wouldn't you seek medical help? It seems like you would just pick her up and rush, just run to the Marriott, run somewhere, saying, please, someone help.

I can't imagine the first response would be to call somebody to dispose of her body. I feel as if he is fully aware of his wrong- doing, whether -- I mean, there was one part, I think, where he conveys to Patrick something that they will find inside of my daughter, and I think it's -- I think we all know it's -- but anyway, I can't even say it on TV, Larry -- but -- so, I know there was wrong- doing there, and he knows that he is responsible for the condition that she was in.

KING: Peter, when you challenged Joran, he got angry with you. He threw wine into your face?

DEVRIES: Yes, he threw a glass of red wine into my face, yes, in a talk show, yes.

KING: What were you accusing him of?

DEVRIES: Well, he there was on the show after the case was closed. He tried to gain some sympathy of the audience, and I was asking him questions about his whereabouts that night.

And I told the audience that there has been a lot of established lies, and that he wouldn't answer simple questions, and that he always revoked on his right to keep silence by the police. And why would an innocent man do this, I asked him, and that frustrated him very much. And at the end of the show, he threw the glass of wine into my face.

KING: Was he, in your mind, a suspect, to you, all the time?

DEVRIES: Yes, he was a suspect to me all the time because I am a crime reporter for 30 years now, and I've seen and done an awful lot of murder cases and disappearances. And, from the beginning, I had the impression this case could be solved.

I did an investigation on Aruba, one year and a half ago, and from then, I had the feeling Joran was not telling the truth and he was hiding something, and protecting, maybe, somebody else. But for me, it's quite sure that he knows exactly what happens on the beach, that he was present when Natalee die and that he got rid of the body.

KING: Will Joran van der Sloot's confession tape lead to a guilty verdict? That's the quick vote on CNN.com/LarryKing. You can head there right now and vote. We'll come back. We'll talk with a private investigator who works with Joran van der Sloot's attorney. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: Beth Holloway and Pete Devries remain with us. We are joined now in New York by Les Levine. Les is a private investigator. He works with Joran van der Sloot's U.S. attorney, Joe Tacopina (ph).

Where is Joran right now, Les?

LES LEVINE, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: He's in Holland.

KING: And how is he dealing with all of this?

LEVINE: Well, he's recognizing the damage that he's done to himself, that he's destroyed his credibility, that he's certainly hurt his mother and his father, and that he will have to live with this for the rest of his life, not in the least of which is, of course, he has torn down the credibility that Joe Tacopina, Rosemary Arnold and myself have been able to build for him over the last two and a half years.

Having said that, Larry, there is no truth to this confession. It plays well on television, but certainly does not stand up in a court of law. The prosecutor and the judge in Aruba are all aware of that fact. And the confession is loaded with one fabrication after another.

KING: Why would he confess to something he didn't do?

LEVINE: Because he was under stress. Because he wanted to puff himself up in front of what he perceived to be some wise guy who had offered him an opportunity to make some money in a deal that was in itself illegal. And, he told this guy exactly what this guy wanted to hear and had pumped him for it time and time again. KING: A pretty dumb thing to do.

LEVINE: Absolutely, no question about that. It was one of the more stupid acts that I have seen in my entire career.

KING: Let's take a look at another videotape clip. This one raises a nightmarish possibility about the timing of her death. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VAN DER EEM: You know, I wasn't there. I'm asking you, how were you so sure she was dead, man?

VAN DER SLOOT: I wasn't sure. But from the time it happened until the time he came, you know, she wasn't doing anymore.

VAN DER EEM: Did this Daury check if she was dead? Did he look, too?

VAN DER SLOOT: He looked and he said, yes, she's not alive anymore, dead.

VAN DER EEM: How did he do that?

VAN DER SLOOT: We were just standing over her and looked. It wasn't good.

VAN DER EEM: Of course, I understand it wasn't good. But he could have also been in a coma.

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.

VAN DER EEM: That's possible, too, huh?

VAN DER SLOOT: That's possible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

KING: Les, what do you think of Peter Devries, who is with us now, in another studio there in New York, who set this up, in a sense?

LEVINE: I think Peter did what he had to do to get a story and didn't care about how he went about getting it. He was successful. As I said, he was successful, but it certainly doesn't hold up in a court of law.

KING: Beth, how do you react to that?

HOLLOWAY: Well, Larry, I think that a lot of people have kind of stepped into this tangled web, into Joran's web, well into this journey, and we -- we have a lot of thing that were transpiring early on in the island of Aruba, within the first 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance, and had a stunning revelation when I was watching the taped admissions of Joran to Patrick. And, when he imitates how Natalee was suffering through the seizures, well, Larry, within 48 hours of Natalee's disappearance on the island of Aruba, a lead detective, Dennis Jacobs (ph), first and only medical question he asked me was, does Natalee have a history of epilepsy or seizures. And I said, no, why would you ask that?  

And he only asked me that once, and from there forward, three other detectives asked Natalee's step father probably a dozen times, Larry. Jug had to come to me six times and ask me if Natalee had a history of epilepsy or seizure. And I kept saying no, why do you keep asking us that? Why? So, it brought it full circle for us.

KING: Peter, what do you make of what Les has to say?

DEVRIES: Well, he said that Joran only told what our guy Patrick wanted to hear. But how did Joran, for heaven's sake, know what Patrick wanted to hear? Did he whisper that in his ears? Did he write a letter about it? It's nonsense, I think. And the other thing was, he told that he might try to impress Patrick -- but frankly, I don't think anyone in the world will be impressed by a story like this, because it's a horrifying story.

KING: Thank you all very much. We have not heard the last of this. And we'll continue to stay on it.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/lkl.01.html

CNN LARRY KING LIVE
... How Did Natalie Holloway Die?
Aired February 7, 2008 - 21:00   ET

GUESTS: PETER DEVRIES, BETH HOLLOWAY AND LES LEVINE

Just can't stop reading/thinking...will be here on and off for a couple of weeks...someone wants me to call someone I saw...got the number, will do if still needed...and back on page 8ish catching up...will be in *real* time with the rest of you soon....slipping through the worm-hole to back in time....C-YA!

Dest

while you're ther you might want to chek this out too 
http://www.fokkinel.com/2008/02/dutch-government-offers-online-sextraining/

::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't see how using a garage service equals that Joran even laid eyes on Lorenzo at the time or ever, let alone "knew" him.  I doubt my children know the children of the people who repair my car just because I use their garage but yes, you can certainly SAY anything.  That has certainly been done already.

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Should be edited to correct stack quote.  No edit button.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Does anyone know who the judge is? Is it Rick Smid?

Good Morning, Sunny!

Yes, I wish we had a Peter deVries.

He could stay at my house, too, lol.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I for one have looked into Lorenzo, not sure what he has to do with any of this, if anything. I am puzzled by his meeting with a judge and release last year.

It depends which of the lies one believes in this case as to which path one follows.

I may have missed it as I had trouble with my computer for 2 days and didn't get to read everything, but has Anita given any other interviews since this all started? TIA

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=971&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=971&Itemid=30)

I think Jossy is hoping that Mos is on a "working vacation" ...


Online Pap translation:

advocate parent mos owing to bay cu vakantie!

friday, 08 february 2008

oranjestad(aan)— hour in sitting-room of gobierno sit contra the principio of seperacion of power, none instant advocate parent mr. hans mos owing to tell cu the is bay cu vakantie y cu the is let the caso cu past owing to atende in hand of another person.

now is resulta cu past owing to bay cu vakantie the netherlands, at instant cu the caso of joran cu past owing to atende is rementa at the netherlands. more question for thing is deal autoridad penal. do not much time happen cu mos self owing to admiti at daily paper cu hour jorg in one time more trankil was at the netherlands, cu is dificil for autoridad legal funciona if miss two funcionario in top at trabau.

now cu autoridad dutch have to atende the caso natalee cu autoridad of aruba, caminda another week for colmo the caso fondo is follow, is resulta cu mos is cu vakantie at the netherlands, caminda joran cu acusacion without base of autoridad legal owing to percura for his freedom, is talk cu autoridad dutch!
people have derecho of know kico is happen at aruba.

now cu the caso of joran is achieve atencion mundial y periodistanan internacional is show cu thing is motibo for cuestiona autoridad penal of aruba, advocate parent mos owing to bay cu vakantie.

daily paper the day before yesterday owing to deal of enter in contacto cu mr. hans mos, that hour nico jorg in one time more trankil was at the netherlands owing to show cu is dificil for autoridad penal can funciona cu teresa croes in estado of a.o. y another in exterior. daily paper owing to worde informa cu mr. hans mos owing to bay the netherlands. not owing to tell daily paper cu is cu vakantie supuestamente past owing to bay.

yesterday daily paper owing to worde informa cu is for enough time, mos owing to dicidi of regulation his vakantie y owing to dicidi cu the is bay happen his vakantie now at the netherlands, caminda casualmente joran van der sloot is worde interoga door of funcionarionan dutch, cu have to happen the informacion here for autoridad of aruba.

mos self owing to splica aruba con autoridad penal at aruba is deal of convence huez for go back let detene joran at the netherlands door of apela the veredicto of huez. for this the informacionnan cu have to ricibi of the netherlands, is extremely important. con now mos is bay cu vakantie for her self country caminda is interoga joran, is one question.

the caso cu is worde apela fast huez, owing to worde perdi door of autoridad penal already cu huez not can owing to sentencia joran, because autoridad penal not can owing to present none proof kico owing to happen cu natalee the day y cu natalee owing to die.

autoridad penal have to was know cu the acusacion cu they owing to present without proof palpabel, never can owing to permiti huez condena joran because autoridad penal not can owing to give none proof, as they self owing to admiti. then is the acusacion without base of autoridad penal, cu owing to haci possible for joran van der sloot can owing to achieve his freedom after cu owing to detene cu thing autoridad penal owing to calling “prueba esencial”.

con at the momentonan here mos can owing to bay cu vakantie caminda is interoga joran, is become more cuestionabel if as cuenta cu the cantidad of trabau cu autoridad penal have because another week have to atende cu the caso fondo desaroyo new. then is in one time cu two caso extremely important y in cual acusacionnan cu autoridad penal owing to hinca in another owing to play one paper determinante, uno of the two cabezantenan of autoridad penal is bay “cu vakantie”.

although is fiscal van der schaft will present the caso fondo new, cu owing to worde formula cu teresa croes at cabez, owing to base of one complaint of rudy croes y nel oduber, is conoci cu van der schaft have to atende cu the herencia y estrategia of big fish cu past owing to hereda y cu also is complete of question for thing is deal pruebanan present.

in the caso here also the “linknan” cu as mos, cu is at the netherlands for of cual the huez cu is atende the caso fondo new have to come, is important y the question is surgi cuanto necesidad have for teresa croes, although the is a.o., come guia the caso fondo new cu bau his direccion owing to see luz y owing to conoce one investigacion owing to base of raportnan false, among another.

daily paper is follow vigila the situation in autoridad penal cu is exigi atencion of the netherlands cu is more cu responsible in the caso here because the is percura for asistencia tecnico for autoridad penal, cu world is cuestiona today!

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=963&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=963&Itemid=30)


Online Pap translation:

according jug twitty,tabata have cover up of husticia in the desaparicion

friday, 08 february 2008

oranjestad(aan): padrastro of natalee holloway, jug twitty, owing to tell recientemente cu police of aruba some day after of desaparicion of natalee holloway, was know end con the caso was hinca in another, but cu police owing to tapa cos.

twitty owing to tell this after cu past owing to look at grabacion of the declaration of policy of peter r. de vries.
padrastro of natalee, that some time happen owing to divorcia of beth, owing to tell foxnews, cu two week after of desaparicion of natalee past owing to ricibi various question odd for of the agentenan policial of aruba.

they owing to ask about cosnan manera: “e was abide of epilepsy, or was have alergia?”
“mi was angry for her questions ey”.

“pero now i am think, they was know end the time ey, thing owing to sosode”.
the is talk of one so calling “cover up”.

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Does anyone know who the Judge is?

Destiny...I would like to help...please email me and tell me how I can help you!!  Klaas has my email addy[/b]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/07/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE
Joran Submits to Questioning by Aruban Investigators in Holland
Aired February 7, 2008 - 20:00:00   ET

GUESTS: Peter Devries and Dave Holloway

Murder & Crime thread - 51,472 views.

That's about 1500 in the last week ...

Hi Tony, good to see you again.

I don't think we do. Or if 'WE' do, I don't know. LOL

oh geeeeezzeeeeee. holy $#$*#*# crap...too much crack  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Emotions Run High, Aruba Is Angry At Van Der Sloot

February 7th 2008, Aruba.

Arubans still feel attacked by the U.S. media.
Many believe the pride of Aruba has been tarnished.

ORANJESTAD-Hundreds of locals expressed their anger on radio shows and via e-mail to newspapers after watching the "confession-on-tape" on Monday evening. Arubans reacted massively against Joran van der Sloot, and that for the first time since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway on May 30th, 2005.

For the past 2 years the public on the island gave Joran van der Sloot the benefit of the doubt, in that he was involved in the disappearance of Natalee. There was no blood, no body, and no evidence of a murder. Many on the island believed that Natalee was still alive, and was in hiding somewhere. Others believed that she may have accidentally drowned at sea, after she was left alone by Joran on the beach.

At least 5,000 government employees were granted two days free, to help with the search for Natalee in 2005. Dutch F-16 planes were sent to scan the entire island for a body recently buried underground. Thousands of volunteers helped search for the missing teen without any result. There was a search every day for months. And the government was spending millions in the investigation.

Arubans felt that they were constantly attacked by the U.S. media, and at times by the Holloway family. That did not help with having sympathy for the Holloway family, and it certainly did not help the case. In the contrary Arubans shifted in a defensive mode, and felt that their pride was being attacked by the media. Arubans felt nothing that they did to help find Natalee was appreciated.

The Dutch crime reporter, Peter R. de Vries started to investigate the case at the beginning of 2007. De Vries has spent months studying the investigation reports, and interviewing those involved in the case. Patrick van der Eem –a 34 year old Antillean- approached De Vries in The Netherlands in the middle of 2007, he wanted to help out solving the case.

De Vries hired Van der Eem as an undercover thug that would make Joran comfortable enough to tell exactly what happened that night. Joran told his story on different occasions while Van der Eem was driving, and it was all captured on hidden camera.

Van der Eem is a businessman in Arnhem who loves Aruba, and wanted closure for the parents of Natalee. In addition, he was tired of the bad press Aruba has been getting. With the story of Joran on tape, De Vries added the pieces of the puzzle together and claimed he has solved the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. His program was broadcasted on Monday evening to the Aruban public.


"Joran is a psychopath, he has lied to everyone on the island." said an angry water-sports businesswoman, who did not want her name to be made public. "I feel so sorry for Natalee, and her parents who had to go through years of uncertainty as to what happened to their daughter. Our island will suffer for a long time too, we will bare the consequences of the actions of one man. My colleague of Pennsylvania was told by his family, are you going again to that murder island? A person on CNN also advised tourists that they are better off in Bermuda.''

Management Consultant, Mathilde Robles said that she knew Joran van der Sloot by face. "He seems like a nice guy, and I did not want to pre- judge him. But now after watching the program on Monday, I am certain that he is behind the disappearance of Natalee, he himself has admitted it."

Robles is shocked on Van der Sloot's comment, that he can not believe that this has happened to him. "If the judge does not punish this man, we the Arubans will," said Robles.

Joran van der Sloot said on different occasions that he felt particularly sorry for the Aruban community. The image of Aruba as the safest country in the Caribbean has been tarnished ever since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

According to the government, the case has cost the island tens of millions of dollars. Tourism from the U.S. fell by 9 percent during 2006. Aruba is 70 percent dependent on the U.S. generating market. There are barely arrivals from Alabama, the state of Natalee Holloway. The Governor of Alabama has imposed a travel boycott to Aruba.

Public anger is also directed to the father of Joran, Paul van der Sloot, mainly because Paul has smuggled a cellular phone to his son in prison. Many on the island now believe that the family Van der Sloot is out for the money. Paul van der Sloot said earlier that he would sew the country of Aruba, because he was held as suspect in the disappearance of Natalee. On tape, Joran said he will also sew, and wants to cash in big time for a house in Spain.

Emotions ran so high, there were a few people who expressed that the Van der Sloot family should be deported from Aruba.

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?t=54632

This is my favorite part of the Greta interview

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.[/b]VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I hope you'll come back, Peter, as you develop more information on those special thoughts, if, indeed, you get some more information on them. Peter, you're always welcome back here. So thank you, Peter.

DE VRIES: OK. You're welcome, Greta

LOL...you little Devil you!!! ::MonkeyWink::

Oh Anna, I am so glad you cleared up the half-brother status between Lorenzo and Paulus.  It was good to learn the Sloots arrived in 1990.  That has helped us in the Shango thread with some thing else we have been working on.  So Lorenzo isn't Joran's half-brother....but Joran has known him since he was a young child.  If Paulus and Lorenzo's father were good friends, I wonder if Joran played with Lorenzo as a child and on even into his teen years.  Regardless, Lorenzo still remains where he has been placed by so many from Aruba...a person of interest due to his nefarious dealings with drugs and his known rave parties.  Thanks again.

Good Morning Janet!!  :2waver: Thank you!!

I did not watch Greta last night ... cannot get Fox Channel.  Is the following transcript complete or ... did Greta have other guests besides Peter Devries?

Janet

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329847,00.html

Dutch Crime Reporter Peter De Vries Goes Inside Joran van der Sloot's Explosive Tape
Friday, February 08, 2008

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: The mastermind behind catching Joran van der Sloot on tape is right here. Yes, you will hear from Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries. Now, Peter organized the hidden camera operation that busted Joran van der Sloot talking about Natalee Holloway. On tape, Joran says the night Natalee disappeared, she was unresponsive, shaking.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP - TRANSLATED ON SCREEN)

JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: All of a sudden, Patrick, like a movie, all the things she did.

PATRICK VAN DER EEM: Shaking?

VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, a lot. So I was, like, (DELETED), what's all this?

VAN DER EEM: Did you try to resuscitate her?

VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. I tried everything. I was shaking the (DELETED).

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VAN SUSTEREN: So what did Joran do? He said he made his friend dump Natalee's body off a boat, though he was not sure if Natalee was even dead. How did Peter De Vries get Joran to talk? What else did Joran say that you didn't see? Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries joins us live in New York. Welcome, Peter.

PETER DE VRIES, DUTCH CRIME REPORTER: Hello, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Peter, you're world famous. Everybody knows you. But just to give a little introduction to our viewers, tell us a little bit about your show in Holland and your background, sir.

DE VRIES: Well, I'm a crime reporter for more than 30 years now, Greta. I wrote several true crime books, and my show runs now for 13 years, and we solve quite a lot of murders and disappearances.

VAN SUSTEREN: So when did you first get started on sort of the Joran van der Sloot case?

DE VRIES: Well, that must have been 18 months ago. We went to Aruba and we did an investigation there on the case. And well, there it started.

VAN SUSTEREN: How many times have you actually met Joran van der Sloot?

DE VRIES: I met him a couple of times, but he didn't want to talk to me. And I can understand why, because I was asking him tough questions.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So now let's talk about the taping. How did that come about? How did you do that? Who worked with you?

DE VRIES: Well, about six months ago, a guy named Patrick came up to me and he said, I'm a close friend of Joran. I met him in a casino and we became friends, and I don't trust his story about what happened that night on the beach. Is there anything I can do for you, he asked me. Well, I said, of course you can. And then we worked out a plan with the undercover camera operation.

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- how did you know Patrick?

DE VRIES: Well, Patrick came up to me because in Holland, it is known that I'm intrigued and interested in the disappearance of Natalee.

VAN SUSTEREN: What does Patrick do for a living? Who is he?

DE VRIES: Patrick is a businessman. He has his own business. He has a criminal record for 12 or 13 years ago. He was convicted for drugs possession. But after that, he became a respected businessman.

VAN SUSTEREN: What is his business, do you know?

DE VRIES: Yes, it's a technical thing. I don't know exactly what it is, but it's OK.

VAN SUSTEREN: And he met Joran in a casino?

DE VRIES: Yes, he met Joran in a casino. They both like to play poker. They both speak Papiamento, and that's how they contacted each other.

VAN SUSTEREN: So how did -- if you know, how did Patrick befriend him and get him to start talking to him?

DE VRIES: Well, that's a long process. In the beginning, Patrick pretends that he wasn't interested in the whole Natalee story. And when Joran wants to talk about it, he said, Well, I'm not interested. Keep it to yourself. It's your business. And after a few months, when we were involved, he started to ask questions about the case, after Joran's second arrest.

VAN SUSTEREN: So what was the plan? When was the first taping? I think there was a little problem with the first taping. You planned it and then Joran got arrested?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's right. The day we were planning to do it, he was arrested.

VAN SUSTEREN: What -- in terms of the high tech -- I mean, I've seen these tapes, and actually, the quality is quite good. Who set up the cameras inside? How was that done?

DE VRIES: My program did it. We often work with undercover cameras. We are very experienced in that. And we were thinking where, Would Joran talk about his knowledge in the Natalee case? Not in his home. That would be a legal, a law problem for us. Not in a restaurant or a cafe. But he will feel safe in a car. And that's why we provided our man, Patrick, with a Range Rover car, and well, we equipped it with the latest sound and cameras.

VAN SUSTEREN: How much tape do you have? How many minutes or hours do you think total?

DE VRIES: Oh, we have in total, I think, 20 hours. But quite a lot of the 20 hours is spent with man talk about football, girls and things like that. And a couple of hours, they were talking about Natalee's case.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the 20 hours, that's over how many different days? I mean, is that one very long trip, or is it broken up into a number of trips?

DE VRIES: Yes, that's an important question, Greta. It's not just one conversation. It's not a slip of the tongue. We have been recording five days. So several moments, several days, and sometimes a week between it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Was he smoking marijuana? Because at least it seemed that -- maybe I'm wrong, but it looked like he was smoking marijuana, or smoking something.

DE VRIES: Yes, Joran was smoking pot sometimes. That's his daily routine. He wasn't pushed to it by our guy, Patrick. We didn't aim for that. It's his daily routine. He has been writing about that in his book, too.

VAN SUSTEREN: And the marijuana laws are a little different in Holland, or at least in Amsterdam?

DE VRIES: Oh, yes, it's not illegal in Holland. It's not a crime. You can smoke pot if you like, no problem.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the actual taping, and we've heard different snippets of it, after you had the tape in the can, did you ever contact Joran and say, Well, we have this tape?

DE VRIES: No, we didn't because we had a couple of hours on tape, so there was nothing to ask because he told the whole story. It was a full confession on tape.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how he found out about the fact that you had a camera?

DE VRIES: Yes. He learned that from television.

VAN SUSTEREN: And has he ever tried to contact you or say -- because now he's saying, of course, publicly, that that was a big lie, that he was just lying.

DE VRIES: Yes. What else could he say, Greta? Because otherwise, he's going in jail. So that's the only thing he can say, of course.

VAN SUSTEREN: Where were they driving in all those -- in the tapes we've seen?

DE VRIES: Oh, they were just cruising around.

VAN SUSTEREN: Just got in the car and go for a ride? They weren't going, like, out to casinos or going cross-country or anything like that?

DE VRIES: Yes, they were going cross-country, looking for a building and things like that.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the actual conversation with Joran, some of it -- I mean, some of it seems a little bit prodding. For instance, I'm actually concerned with the part where it says that she was shaking. That's a very -- it may be an important part of the investigation. In the tape that we see, Patrick seems to suggest the shaking. I went over our transcript today. Am I wrong on that?

DE VRIES: I didn't understand that quite well.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did -- let me back up then. What does Joran say about Natalee the night that she died?

DE VRIES: Well, what he is saying is that he was on the beach with her and that she suddenly did like this, and then he panicked. And he said, Well, she died at that moment. She wasn't ticking (ph) anymore. And then he found his friend, and he wanted to get rid of the body. And they brought her into a boat, and then she was disposed into the ocean.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, there's a lot of rumors coming out of Aruba, as you might imagine. One thing I'm hearing tonight, that we had Daury Rodriguez on last night, who was the person who's actually identified on the tapes. But now there's a suggestion that there might be another Daury. Do you know, if there's another Daury?

DE VRIES: Yes, Daury Rodriguez is not the guy mentioned by Joran. It's another guy. He's in the news. I know that. But he's not the guy who was mentioned by Joran.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Where is this other guy mentioned by Joran, who helped, according to Joran, dispose of the body?

DE VRIES: Well, we don't know. The police investigators are looking for him. But I'm not quite sure if Daury is really Joran's helper because the first day, when he was talking about his helper, Joran said, I will never, ever mention his name. I will take that into my grave. And then the next day, when our man, Patrick, was pushing a little bit on that and telling him, Well, who was it, you can trust me, then he mentioned the name Daury. But I think he's protecting somebody else.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And do you know who that somebody else is? I mean, do you have any sort of -- besides just sort of a gut reaction, do you have anything independent to suggest who it might really be?

DE VRIES: Well, that's hard to say. Then I'm starting speculating, and well, I might not do that.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Peter, stand by because we have much more with you in a few moments. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries is still here with us. Peter, I got an e-mail question from Julia Renfro, who's the editor- in-chief of Aruba Today, and she asked this question, which I think is a good one. "How did you know Joran was lying when others were inclined to believe him?"

Now, I guess it's a little bit of a slap at me because I said I was inclined to believe him after I met with him. But nonetheless, it's a good question. I mean, what made you right from the get-go not believe him?

DE VRIES: Well, I have been doing some investigation on the spot, on Aruba, and I read the files and I spoke to people who were involved. And well, I'm an experienced crime reporter. And almost from the beginning, I didn't believe his story. And there were some established lies about Natalee dropping at the Holiday Inn hotel, the way he came home, the story about the shoes. It was too much to believe.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you think -- a lot of viewers send me e-mails. I have a -- we have a blog here, Gretawire.com, and they send a lot of comments. They're very suspicious that Paulus Van Der Sloot has more of an involvement than simply just the father of the man who was caught on tape. Do you have any information that in any way incriminates Paulus Van Der Sloot?

DE VRIES: Well, Joran told on tape that his father smuggled a mobile phone, a cell phone in the prison when he was the first time arrested. And he was a judge at that time, so that's -- that's a sin.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, let me just -- let me go to this press conference, Peter, if you can hold off for a second, in Kirkwood, Missouri. The police are talking about this shooting.

(KIRKWOOD POLICE NEWS CONFERENCE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Let's go back to Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries, who is still with us. Peter, I want to focus now for a second on the guy who supposedly assisted in tossing the body off the boat. What efforts are being made, if you know, by the police to locate him?

DE VRIES: Well, the Dutch police is very busy with the investigation. That's what I understood. And they are looking for this guy, whoever it may be.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, do you have confidence in the Dutch police and the Aruba police in terms of this investigation?

DE VRIES: Yes. I met several guys from the team. I spoke to Hans Mos, the head prosecutor, and I'm confident, quite confident, that they will solve this case finally.

VAN SUSTEREN: Is there anything on that tape that you did not show for whatever reason that you think would be particularly important to the investigation?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. You have seen all relevant scenes, and I think what we didn't broadcast is more of the same, you could say.

VAN SUSTEREN: And boy talk, as you described it, or guy talk or something.

DE VRIES: And boy talk, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Now, when you showed that tape to Hans Mos, the chief prosecutor, what did he say to you?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was, of course, very happy. And there was also the police commissioner, Dolph Richardson. And when he was looking at the tape, he said to me, Can you please pinch me in the arm because this is what we are waiting for.

VAN SUSTEREN: What about an arrest? Did they mention anything about -- you know that there was an effort to try to arrest Joran van der Sloot. The judge turned them down. It's now on appeal. Do you have any more information on that?

DE VRIES: No, what I know now is that Joran van der Sloot made a statement to the police investigators today. I don't know what he said, but there was a statement. And well, that's a great development because until now, Joran van der Sloot refused to talk to the police and didn't say a word. So now he's talking, and let's hope that he is answering all the questions.

VAN SUSTEREN: What prompted him to toss that wine in your face on that TV show? Did you say something to him, or what was that all about?

DE VRIES: Oh, he was frustrated about me because I was asking questions all the time, and I was saying -- I was telling the audience that Joran lied several times, that he couldn't answer simple questions, and that he was always keeping silent to the police. And well, that frustrated him.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you already have in the can the tape and know what was on the tape, or was that -- or didn't you at that point?

DE VRIES: Pardon?

VAN SUSTEREN: Did you already have your tape completed at that time, the undercover tape?

DE VRIES: No, no, no. It wasn't completed. The undercover operation was running at that moment.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Both his parents -- were they both present for that?

DE VRIES: Yes, they were present. Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did Joran's parents say anything to you at that point or even after the show?

DE VRIES: After the show, they apologized for what their son did. And I think his mother is a good mother. She loves her son, but she doesn't know what he is doing, I think. And well, his father, I have some special thoughts about him.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And I hope you'll come back, Peter, as you develop more information on those special thoughts, if, indeed, you get some more information on them. Peter, you're always welcome back here. So thank you, Peter.

DE VRIES: OK. You're welcome, Greta.

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Yes...I can see that and thanks for explaining!  It was a grand mal seizure - not a petie mal and frightening to see and hear, especially for eight year olds.  The patient became extremely limp afterward for awhile as the seizure taxes the body considerably.  I would imagine that Joran was shocked but the natural thing to do would have been to summon 911 asap. Hard heartedness demonstrates weakness and conjures up all sorts of reasons for his criminal behavior.

Yes...I can see that and thanks for explaining!  It was a grand mal seizure - not a petie mal and frightening to see and hear, especially for eight year olds.  The patient became extremely limp afterward for awhile as the seizure taxes the body considerably.  I would imagine that Joran was shocked but the natural thing to do would have been to summon 911 asap. Hard heartedness demonstrates weakness and conjures up all sorts of reasons for his criminal behavior.
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Ooops! I meant "petit" mal seizure.

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Good Morning.....

I am a first time poster and have a question about Aruba's Social Clubs.
Has anyone ever investigated social connections?

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thank you for any info......

If Anita doesn't snap to, and see just how at risk Joran is, as well as society from his behavior, her other children should be taken from her. She is behaving as if she is an unfit Mom interested in only herslef and not the welfare of her child.

ANITA, WATCH THE TAPE AND SEE JUST HOW SICK JORAN IS, WHAT YOUR PATH HAS BROUGHT HIM, AND RE-EXAMINE YOUR DIRECTION TO HIM. DO YOU HEAR HIS THOUGHTS? THIS IS YOUR OTHER 2 CHILDREN'S ROLE MODELS.

It is my understanding that Val is 2 years younger than Joran. Joran was born in 1987. My guess is 1989 or 1990. I do not believe Val was born on Aruba and I do not think Val had anything to do with this...although he may know what happened, not sure about that either.

this could also be a nick name...many people in the Caribbean are known by nick names....not their real names....or it could just be urine being the a-hole he is.....I still believe it was papa slop and steve croes

WOW...that's great....thanks Ms. Marple

Thank Anna.

I wonder why this "rumor" has taken two years to clear up.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet