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Very nice.  (Thanks, Nutt.)

I read the search was near the house Elesa lived before, but... that house is so mighty close to the search area, or the search area is so close to the house.

Could they have possibly discarded evidence so close to the road?


(http://www.wsoctv.com/2010/1104/25633492_320X180.jpg)

With these people...ya never know.

I was watching JVM too...so sad for those parents.  <<<this was commented on from the last closed thread.. the show was about the parents of murdered children..so sad!
Ed Smart is on the show too..


NorthernRose...thank you for the star for Zahra..what a wonderful idea that you and another monkey had to get a star for her... ::MonkeyAngel::

Entirely possible, Casey probably tossed Caylee standing near the curb also!

I wish they would just get everyone that they can to help search like everyone that wants to help find her I wish they would let them. I want her found so BAD. I would go help find her if they would let me I am only bout an hour away from where they are searching. I want her found I know she is probably so cold. I don't think I can emotionally handle this case anymore. I feel as though I am loseing it :(

Nancy Grace is reading a new letter that has surfaced.  Apparently it was written by Elisa to a family member.  It states that Zahra had been sick for some time and ... Elisa discovered her dead.

If true ... why was 911 not called?  Could it be that there signs of neglect and/or abuse that dictated a cover up?  Had Zahra been under a doctor's care while in the States?

Janet

Karen is posting on FB again:  I am going in order so it makes sense.  Melinda is ether a good friend or Grannie's Sister and has been consistent in calling out anyone who says anything bad about Adam or anything good about Biomum.  There are posts from others in between that I have left out as it would be too long.  A lot of these posts will more than likely be deleted by tomorrow. 

Mary Boden
there are alot of people that need ot be in jail and i am gonna let the emotions of almost a month flow.....
!. all you people that were in Zahrah life befor that made comments of maybe thery should let us adopt her....YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED ...OF YOURSELF...
2. ELISA.....JUST ASK FOR A ROPE AROUND YOUR NECK...YOUR DONE..

3. ADAM.......YOUR POOR ME ATTITUDE ISNT WORKING FOR ANYONE...MIGHT OF GOTTEN YOU A MONSTER BI**H BUT YOUR SICK.

4. GRANDMA BAKER....SHOWERS DONT HURT AND WHEN YOU WENT TO THE LAST PLACE YOUR GRAND DAUGHTER WAS ALIVE...I THINK YOU COULDA LEFT YOUR DOG BEHIND.

BRITTANY AND THE REST OF YA......OH SHE MADE YOU SIT IN WHEEL CHAIRS AND PRETEND YOU WERE SICK TO PLEADE HER LIES WELL WHY WOULD YOU LET A PRECIOUS 10 YEAR OLD LIVE YOUR LIFE.....+++??????
21 hours ago

Melinda Thomson
Mary, they can't put people in jail just because Mary Boden thinks they should be in jail. The world simply doesn't work like that and Grandma Baker was carrying a stuffed dog that belonged to Zahra so once you calm down from your emotional ranting, I hope you feel like a complete fool for saying that.
14 hours ago ·


 Melinda Thomson
And whatever the circumstances regarding biomum being estranged from Zahra and how or why that occurred, NOBODY gives a child to a complete stranger, even if that complete stranger gave birth to them. Biomum has already given Zahra up for dead. Only biomums do that - real mothers never give up hope! I wonder how that would make Zahra feel.
13 hours ago ·

Karen Baker
people can say what they like but the truth will come out as for me needing a shower im sorry but i only had 30 mins notice and unlike some i was more concerned for zahra than myself...and i defy any grandmother out there to walk past something they new their grandchild loved and took everywhere and not pick it up ... when all this is over and we all know the truth i will answer all then and only then
11 hours ago

Christy De Salvo-Babbitt
Karen sorry your family has to go threw every parents worst nightmare. "(. What do you think about elisa?
9 hours ago ·

Christy De Salvo-Babbitt
And what do you have a comment about Zahras Bio~mom? She said she didn't approve zahra coming to the states. In fact she didn't know she was in the united states at all and that someone hAd to of forged some papers for her to come here?!? Since Adam isn't talking maybe you can clear this up for us?
9 hours ago ·

Karen Baker
no comment

Melinda Thomson
Christy, Karen quite clearly says that she will answer when this is all over so stop badgering her with questions. She doesn't owe you a personal explanation.

Karen, how you looked is irrelevant to me. You weren't "presenting" yourself ...to the public, you were being intruded upon. People would have been slinging crap at you no-matter how you looked because they've got nothing better to do.

Personally, the neighbours that were screaming out didn't exactly look like the cream of society to me. People just want to have a go at you Karen, and you don't owe anybody an explanation for anything - that's not your fight. You know what your fight is and you are fighting it with dignity and strength.
3 hours ago ·

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home/153249161379237

Thank you so much for this, Northern Rose!  Thank you, Kat_Gram for the inspiration!

I can't stop crying!  It is so beautiful to know that a star has been named Zahra's Spirit!   

Search teams back at work in case of missing 10 year old (video)

http://www2.wnct.com/news/2010/nov/04/search-teams-back-at-work-in-case-of-mis-55084-vi-26358/

CBB, would you post your new image of Zahra with God's hand in this thread, too?  It is so beautiful!

On NG tonight, it's being reported that in another (alleged) letter from the stepmom, she states that "I found Zahra dead".  Sigh. 

Searchers Return To Area Where Bone Was Found (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25637372/index.html

I heard this too...sadly, they most likely would not have done anything if Zahra was ill...just the monsters that they are   ::MonkeyMad:: 

Officers focus on Caldwell County in Zahra Baker search  (video)

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Dozens-search-Caldwell-County-for-Zahra-Baker-106710618.html

Consider all the letters that are surfacing ... letters that imply that Elisa and Adam both have knowledge that Zahra was not kidnapped ... why has Adam not been detained?  Would Adams words in the 911 call not be considered an obstruction of an investigation.  The ransom note is what landed Elisa behind bars.

Where is Adam?

Janet

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I knew this is what she was going to claim. "She was sick and I found her dead", "I am so scared of him (him being Adam).

She is going to claim battered woman's syndrome and say that she wanted to call 911 but AB would not let her.

I really hope that they both pay dearly for what they have done.

Sister thanking you so much for saying so eloquently what many of us were thinking.

NoRose thank you for Zahra's star.

Thanks for all the updates everyone.

Lenie, you are most welcome.  From our hearts to the heart of God.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/zahra-star11.gif)

The police have been in contact with him because he was informed of the bone being found by LE, as he is next of kin.

Love it! Thanks for re-posting it.

You did a wonderful job, CBB.

CBB this is breathtaking!  Thank you so much for creating this beautiful image.

from last thread


not sure if you have to reg for it to work, i get the adds but not the news vid
im updated on everything, maybe one of you can fig it out
video
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national
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not sure if this is the right pg
http://au.news.yahoo.com/

sites search in au
http://www.googleaustralia.com.au/

video
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national

Industry Links
http://www.freetv.com.au/Content_Common/pg-Industry-Links.seo

thanks for all the updates

CW618 and Northern Rose,  Thank you so much for coming together with the star idea.  I was called away for work ( as I often am).  I returned to such a beautiful tribute to monkeys coming together and doing something priceless and full of grace and kindness for a child that never got that kind of love in life.  Hugs!!!   ::MonkeyAngel::   

Another lie (IMO) ...just another spin on her fantasy... ::MonkeyMad::

Hugs!!!   to you for sparking the idea, and NR for making it happen

Thanks to you both!  :)

Klaas, thank you for posting it again!  CBB, I'm overwhelmed.  I get so angry with God when I see what happens to these children!  I know it's humans who do these horrible things, but I know there are miracles, too, so I get really angry.  I want to know why there wasn't intervention.  It helps me to look at that and remember that he does love these little ones.

It makes me think of this poem!


High Flight
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air. . . .

Up, up the long, delirious burning blue
I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or ever eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
— John Gillespie Magee, Jr

Truly beautiful!  So appropriate for our girl!  She is surely exploring every wondrous nook and cranny of Heaven.  Thank you Claycat.

One of my favorites, Claycat.  I believe he was Canadian?

You're welcome, faith1109! 

Sister, when I was a lot younger, one of the TV stations would play that at midnight when the station signed off.  The first time I heard it, I cried, because the imagery was so wonderful! 

Here is some info about the pilot who wrote the poem on Wikipedia.  It looks like he was a citizen of the world.  He died in a mid-air collision in 1941, so that poem was very appropriate to his life and death.  It was almost a premonition!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gillespie_Magee,_Jr.

May have already been posted:

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/04/1812140/officers-focus-on-caldwell-co.html

Officers focus on Caldwell Co. in Zahra Baker search

Posted: Thursday, Nov. 04, 2010



CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. – Hickory police say crews are in the middle of one of the largest search efforts they've launched into the disappearance of 10-year-old Zahra Baker.

Police say 30 to 40 people are currently combing a wooded area off of Christie Road in Caldwell County.

Hickory Police Major Clyde Deal says investigators are using equipment to create search grids, looking for evidence related to the 10-year-old's disappearance.

On Wednesday, crews found a bone that they believe could be related to the case. It has been sent to the State Medical Examiner’s Office for testing.

The Wednesday before that find, crews discovered Zahra Baker’s prosthetic leg in the same search area. The 10-year-old lost part of her leg to cancer when she was younger.

Zahra Baker was reported missing from her family’s home in Hickory on Oct. 9. However, no one aside from her father and stepmother has reported seeing the girl since late September.

Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, is currently in jail, facing charges of obstruction of justice in connection with Zahra’s disappearance. Police say Elisa Baker wrote a fake ransom note that was found the day Zahra was reported missing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you Claycat.

Janet

+++++

President Reagan's remarks following the loss of the Space Shuttle Challenger and her crew.06.07.04 Broadcast at 5 p.m. EST, Jan. 28, 1986.

<snipped>

The crew of the space shuttle Challenger honored us by the manner in which they lived their lives. We will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them, this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and "slipped the surly bonds of earth" to "touch the face of God."

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/formedia/speeches/reagan_challenger.html

Tonight, I have my twin 20 month old grandbabies.... a boy and a girl.  I laid down with them and I was patting my granddaughter... then I closed my eyes and pretended to be asleep so she would go to sleep.  She started patting my hand and saying awwwww.... All I could think of was that Zahra didn't have anyone to do this type of thing with..... it just tore me up.  After my grandbabies were asleep, I crept out of the room sobbing and I prayed and prayed that Zahra had some kind of happiness and love while here even though I know at the end she suffered.  AND I prayed my grandbabies would never know any evil like this.

Northern Rose, thank you so much.  The star named Zahra's Spirit means a lot to me and I hope she knows how much all of us monkeys love her.

Rest with God beautiful Zahra.  The light of your spirit will never be diminished!
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Bananas, Zahra knows how much we love her!  I believe she is amazed at how many people are sending love to her! 

I'm glad you getting some sweet grandbaby sugar! 

Oops!  "are"

Claycat, I hope she knows how much we love her.  And yes...... my grandbabies melt my heart!

Move pictures of Zahra getting her hearing aids have been postd by Jennifer Moxley

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000838103427&v=wall#!/photo.php?fbid=158505637520705&set=a.158505527520716.25200.100000838103427&pid=247286&id=100000838103427 (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000838103427&v=wall#!/photo.php?fbid=158505637520705&set=a.158505527520716.25200.100000838103427&pid=247286&id=100000838103427)

You're welcome, Janet!  That's one of those terrible times when I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing!  That poem was very fitting to the memory of the Challenger crew. 

Thank you, Claycat. Sassifrass asked me to create a picture that would include the star Northern Rose so generously gave on our behalf, and I was thrilled to do it.

Claycat, I certainly don't want to hijack this thread with personal beliefs, but I have to keep my own close by in order to handle following the horrific crimes involving these children. I'll offer you what I trust, in hopes it helps you and maybe others who struggle with the same issues. I just want to say that I respect other posters views as well and sincerely don't offer this to offend anyone!

For me, I recognize that our personal choice is central to God. From the beginning, creation held a choice, even with the tree of forbidden fruit in the garden. I believe "choice" was the reason for the tree. God "allowed" death to enter the world through man's choice, but He did not let the fair and just consequences of that choice go unanswered. Then and there, He put a plan in place to reconcile the relationship He intended with man (He walked with Adam and Eve in the garden) and yet maintain His own nature of utter Love and Justice. Remember that He covered them with animal skin when sin caused them to feel shame for the first time as a by-product of their first experience with sin. With that skin came the first death, and the establishment that blood is the just price for sin. Thousands of years later, after that lesson had been ingrained into generations with temple offerings for atonement, God would accept His Son's blood, given "by personal choice" as the ultimate justice for all mankind's sins. Sin came into the world through man's choice, and sin was covered by the choice of a sinless man.

For me, I believe that perps of crimes against children, are making a choice. God may allow their choice, but I know that just as in the garden, He is ready and waiting with a plan, and I know that plan includes immediately taking those children in His arms and I know that the pain, ugliness, and fear is melted away. Those children will never have a second of uncertainty, doubt, or unhappiness again. They are home.

The children have God's love. The perps await His justice, and I would not be in their shoes for anything.

Matthew 18:10:
See that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, that their angels do always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven.

I'm sorry. I've preached enough, but it's the only way I can cope with these cases. I hope it may help someone else and that expressing my beliefs will offend no one! I don't and won't make it a habit in the missing children's threads.  ::MonkeyKiss::

The interview with Zahra's bioligical mother was on for about 4 mins.  She said how she had suffered from PND and that she left Zahra with AB until she recovered and when she went back to see them, AB and the whole family had moved.  Each time she tracked them down they moved.  She has been searching for years.  She had a scrap book with baby photos of Zahra.  She cried a lot but was also very angry at times.  When the reporter asked her about Zahra calling EB mummy she was very angry and said if she had any of me in her, she would never do that.  She doesn't believe that Zahra is alive. 

Hopefully it will be uploaded onto their site but at this time, it hasn't.  If it does I will bring it over.

Thank you for that Nightowl.  I also managed to watch the segment and hopefully have it taped on the VCR but I have no way of copying from VCR to computer.  So far the video news updates on the Channel 7 website only mentions the search for Zahra and do NOT include the interview with Zahra's mother.  It may show the interview tomorrow.

Also I do know that some videos on our websites are not available for viewing in other countries.  I hope this is not the case with Channel 7 website but if so I am sure a clever monkey may be able to record and copy to YouTube to share with all of us.

Watching the segment was very traumatic and I fully believe all that this young lady has told us.  It was a brave move for her to identify herself and face the public in this way.

It has been an extremely busy day for me today but I will check all sites again tomorrow morning and add anything that may have not been posted by other monkeys.  Everything happens while we sleep here.
Edit to correct post-added "NOT" per Tibro.  MuffyBee

Thank you cw618 and Northern Rose for that wonderful star.  What a moving tribute to this dear little girl, and I am so proud to be associated with it as a Monkey.  Her star will shine for eternity.

CBB thank you for your beautiful graphics for Zahra.  You have captured her spirit and beauty, and the fact that she is now above all the earthly hurt and tragedy that she was subjected to by these eveil people.  Tha angels welcomed her and now have her in their tender loving care.

God bless all who grieve for Zahra. 

Self edit to add word "NOT"

Hi Tibrogargan, I couldn't record it at all but I will keep a watch on the 7 news site for about another hour to see if they post it up.  I really felt for her, I think that now she has come out like this, that maybe more news agencies and magazines will be onto her.  IMO she handled herself very well, under the circumstances.

Here is youtube link for Zahra's mom Emily Dietrich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Atagb_9oyU

thank you maybe a mod can post it

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/05/AR2010110501343.html

Missing Aussie girl's mom thinks daughter is dead
The Associated Press
Friday, November 5, 2010; 6:13 AM

SYDNEY -- The biological mother of an Australian girl who was reported missing from her home in the U.S. nearly a month ago said through tears Friday that she believes her daughter is dead.

Emily Dietrich, whose 10-year-old daughter Zahra Baker was living in Hickory, North Carolina, with her father and stepmother, said she has little hope of seeing Zahra alive again.

"I don't feel it," she told Australia's Seven Network in her first interview since the girl's disappearance. "I reckon that mothers just have this bond with their children."

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, reported her missing Oct. 9. Authorities have said they believe the girl is dead. No one has been charged in her disappearance.

Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, has been jailed on an obstruction of justice charge since the weekend Zahra disappeared. Police said she admitted writing a fake ransom note found at the scene of a fire in the family's backyard the same day Zahra was reported missing.

"I never got to say goodbye," Dietrich said of her daughter, who relies on hearing aids and a prosthetic leg because of bone cancer.

Dietrich said she suffered postnatal depression after Zahra's birth and handed over custody to Adam Baker. Later, though, she decided she wanted to be in the girl's life and spent years trying to track the pair. But every time she found Baker, she said, he would disappear.

Using the Internet, she discovered he was living in the U.S. Just three days later, she said, Zahra was reported missing.

"Why would it happen that I would find her and three days later this would happen?" she said, sobbing.

On Monday, Hickory police said they had confirmed that a prosthetic leg found at a home where Elisa Baker once lived was Zahra's.

Another video of the same interview :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CWxiqzGgNM&feature=player_embedded

Aussie mother says she tracked down Zahra just days before she went missing

    * From: NewsCore
    * November 05, 2010 6:46PM

THE mother of an Australian girl missing and feared dead in North Carolina said today she had only found her daughter on the internet three days before the 10-year-old disappeared.

Speaking on Australia's Channel Seven News - apparently her first media interview - Emily Dietrich said she had not seen her daughter Zahra Baker since giving custody to the girl's father Adam Baker.

"He had no right to do any of it, to keep her from me," she said.

Dietrich said she had only managed to track down Zahra on the internet recently before the girl disappeared.

"I never got to say goodbye. I never got to say hello," she said.

"Why did it happen that I only found her and three days later this happens?"

Dietrich said she was afraid police in the US would uncover more evidence in her daughter's disappearance.

"I don't want them to find more because they would tell a story I don't want to hear," she said.

Dietrich spoke as Hickory police announced this week they had recovered a bone that could belong to the missing girl.

The bone was located after police officers reportedly searched throughout Caldwell County, where the girl's prosthetic leg was found last week and where the Bakers lived until mid-September.

Hickory police are in the middle of one of the largest search efforts they have launched for Zahra, who is feared murdered.

The girl - a two-time cancer survivor who wears a prosthetic leg and is hearing-impaired - was reported missing by her father from their North Carolina home on October 9.

However, friends and neighbors said they had not see Zahra since the end of September.

As the search for the girl intensified, reports emerged of the girl's American stepmother Elisa Baker allegedly abusing her and locking her up in her bedroom.

Adam Baker, who is from Queensland in Australia, moved to the US with his daughter two years ago after he met Elisa Baker on the internet.

Elisa Baker, 42, is currently in prison, charged with obstruction of justice in relation to writing a fake ransom note believed to be related to Zahra going missing.

Both the Bakers have at various points, implied that the other know something about the girl's disappearance.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/aussie-mother-says-she-tracked-down-zahra-just-days-before-she-went-missing/story-e6freuyi-1225948508688

I feel so sad for Zahra's mother! 

CBB, thank you for the comments.  I was raised to believe those things.  I don't really know how I feel anymore, but you are right that it has so much to do with the free choice of humans.  Goodness knows, I have messed up with my choices.  Thank you!  :)

http://www.youtube.com/v/9Atagb_9oyU?fs=1

Thanks for posting the link to the video Tibrogargan, CW.

So sad!  AB is guilty of so many things. 

I can't imagine the grief this woman is going through, searching all those years for her daughter, then finding her and then this happens. 

There is no doubt of Emily's sincerity or heartbreak or love for her daughter.

My prayers of love, strength, courage go out to Emily and her family.

I've been sitting here thinking about this whole situation with Emily, Adam and Ma Baker. I have to wonder if Adam ever wanted this little girl. I somehow get the feeling from all of this it was Ma Baker who wanted this little girl. She had three sons no little girls to raise and fuss over. Did Adam really bond with this child? Then along comes the evil Elisa Baker and she sees the opportunity to use this child in some way to her advantage. Apparently she had done this with her own daughter. Convinces Adam that they can bring her to USA and the money from support and maybe get more money from the US. That didn't work out quite the way they had hoped. No need to keep her around any longer as she would cost them money not the other way around. So it was time to get rid of her. She was after all going to need a new leg and medical care that would cost thousands of dollars. I also believe the abuse got worse on a constant basis. I also believe that the GMA knew and knows what her son is. Even though it is hard for her to admit it he is just as much a monster as the Goth.

Why did they have to bring this beautiful precious child to US? Why not leave her in AUS where she was loved and properly cared for? My daughter and son-in-law would give anything to have a child. But it has not happened. They would give that child so much love as would I. Why do the evil ones have these children they do not want then the ones who would give anything are not so blessed?

Today I hope they find everything they need to put a needle in their arms and say goodnight.

 I love this song even though everytime I hear it I cry. These are the Lyrics to the song
 
The Little Girl by John Michael Montgomery

Her parents never took the young girl to church
Never spoke of His name
Never read her His word
Two non-believers walking lost in this world
Took their baby with them
What a sad little girl

Her daddy drank all day and mommy did drugs
Never wanted to play
Or give kisses and hugs
She'd watch the TV and sit there on the couch
While her mom fell asleep
And her daddy went out

And the drinking and the fighting
just got worse every night
Behind their couch she'd be hiding
Oh what a sad little life
And like it always does, the bad just got worse
With every slap and every curse
Until her daddy in a drunk rage one night
Used a gun on her mom and then took his life

And some people from the city took the girl far away
To a new mom and a new dad
kisses and hugs everyday
Her first day of Sunday school the teacher walked in
And a small little girl
Stared at a picture of Him

She said I know that man up there on that cross
I don't know His name
But I know He got off
Cause He was there in my old house
and held me close to His side
As I hid there behind our couch
The night that my parents died

Lazydog1, you've got me crying again!   How beautiful!

This is better than the one on youtube.  Tears warning!

http://music.aol.com/video/the-little-girl-warner/john-michael-montgomery/1101905

Thank you for posting the link to the song Claycat. I can't listen to it as for some reason my speakers don't work. It is such a beautiful tear jerker song. The first time I heard it I sat and cried for hours. It broke my heart. This happens far too often.

Zahra looks just like her mom.  I feel so bad for Emily.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/zahraemilyD.jpg)

Klaas I have slow dial up, could you get a screen shot of mom and post it please.

See I do have slow loading..thanks for the picture.

 ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13297637

Officials release details about bone found during Zahra search
Posted: Oct 09, 2010 7:05 PM PDT Updated: Nov 05, 2010 5:46 AM PDT


HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Authorities are now talking about the bone that was found during the recent search for a missing 10-year-old girl.

 The search on Wednesday turned up a bone that might be related to the case of Zahra Baker, who has been missing since Oct. 9. Officials now say that the bone, found near Christie Road in Caldwell County where the girl's prosthetic leg was found last week, now say that the bone is not a fragment.

Investigators say that the bone is not a small piece and is not a chip of a bone, but seems to be a complete bone. Meanwhile, that bone is being sent to the NC State Bureau of Investigation lab where tests should begin today.

Tests on the bone are not DNA, officials have said.  Once that examination is complete and if it is determined to be related to this case, it will be sent to the NC Medical Examiner's Office lab in Chapel Hill for further testing.

Results from the SBI lab may not come through until Monday or Tuesday.

Thursday, search crews were back out at the Christie Road search area in Caldwell County, more than a week since a prosthetic leg was found belonging to a missing 10-year-old girl. Wednesday, searchers returned to that same area to drain a pond and look for more clues related to her 3 week disappearance. The bone was found in that area, officials announced on Wednesday afternoon.

About 2 dozen people were searching off Christie Road in Caldwell County looking for anything related Zahra Baker, whose stepmother, Elisa, is still being held in jail. Near noon on Wednesday, crews with a pump arrived and began draining a pond in that area. The bone was not found in the pond, which was drained later on Wednesday.

Bone discovery comes just hours after WBTV came into possession of some letters that were allegedly written by Elisa Baker. The letters were allegedly written to someone at a web site that began a letter-writing relationship with Baker since she has been in jail. (Click here to read the letters and learn more about them)

The search off Christie Road, which is closed to traffic, involves a "line search" where crews walk in a line about 15 feet about through woods checking for anything that looks suspicious.

Earlier this week, the owner of the Baker home in Hickory is evicted Adam Baker, the father of the missing 10-year-old, WBTV has learned.

According to reports, Baker, who was briefly jailed last week on un-related charges, has spent about the last two and a half weeks with relatives.  Investigators have ripped out parts of the floor, walls, ceiling, and plumbing during their search for evidence in the house.

On Monday, investigators confirmed that the prosthetic leg discovered last Wednesday off Christie Road in Caldwell County is, in fact, the one belonging to  Zahra Baker.

Hickory Police Department said on Monday that medical records obtained from Australia, where the prosthetic leg was originally fitted, matched the serial number on the leg.  A scanner was used to extract the serial number from a transponder placed inside the prosthesis, which was used as Zahra's left leg.   


Also on Monday, Elisa Baker, the stepmother of Zahra Baker, was indicted by a Catawba County Grand Jury on an obstruction of justice charge related to the investigation of the missing girl.

As she was being indicted in one county, Elisa Baker appeared in court in Burke County on Monday afternoon to face a felony larceny charge unrelated the 10-year-old girl's disappearance.  No evidence was presented in that case and it was continued until Dec. 6 when Baker will have to be back in Burke County Court.

 ::monkeyscissors::

Did anyone else notice that mom is the only family member that has actually cried for Zahra.

“Obviously, we believe it may be (a human bone) because we have had people tell us it is consistent with a human bone, but we have no confirmation on that,” said Capt. Thurman Whisnant of the Hickory Police Department.

The bone was delivered to SBI lab Thursday to collect a DNA profile. It takes longer for the medical examiner to examine the bone than it does for the SBI lab to collect material for DNA. By delivering the bone to the SBI office first, the profile can be completed while the ME’s office conducts a separate set of tests, Whisnant said.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/05/sbi-runs-dna-test-bone-search-continues-ar-512244/

If I understand it right it has now been determined to be a human bone. Am I correct?  How truly sad this is.

Yes. And I agree that Zahra looks like her mom. How sad she couldn't have just been returned to her. she would still be alive and happy.

They should be able to tell in the field that it is a human bone, especially since it is a whole intact bone and not a piece or chip.  The question then becomes DNA and how long the person was dead and if possible how they died.

I want to thank all of you for the updates in this case. Working full time and caring for the furkids doesn't allow me a lot of time to search and research like I would like to.

You are all so awesome. Not just in this case but also in Kyrons.

At this point I don't know what I would do without all of you.

I wonder if Zahra's mom was aware of Zahra's health problems before Z disappeared?  that would be a double heartache to know what all Zahra had gone through medically and that she was not even informed of it..very cruel that she could not be there with her child when she was so sick.
If Adam didn't want this little girl, why in the hell didn't he contact the mother to see if she would take her or leave her with the gramma? pure meanness comes to mind..

I heard on one of the shows that bone cancer is very painful..I bet that Z did not have anyone once she left gramma to rub her legs to make the pain go away or to comfort her..breaks my heart that she more than likely suffered through it all without being comforted..alone..
I was watching my grand daughters on Halloween night as they were dancing, skipping and jumping in the living room to songs..so happy to be children, so in love with their family and loved that much back..and I thought of Zahra and all the other children who were taken too soon ...a prayer went up that I was so thankful to have my grand babies with me and another one for all the little girls dancing in Heaven...

she sure does.......poor woman.......this has to be some kind of HELL for her...to  find her and then lose her so quickly.....Thanks Klaas....Morning Monks

Thanks....still not saying which bone it is....but at least they are giving some information.

Mother of Zahra Baker speaks out

The mother of Australian girl Zahra Baker says she fears her daughter, who has been missing from her US home for nearly a month, is dead.

Emily Dietrich, of Wagga Wagga in southwestern NSW, has spoken publicly for the first time since her daughter's disappearance in North Carolina on October 9.

Local police believe she has been murdered, and her Australian father Adam Baker and his American wife Elisa Baker have not been ruled out as suspects.

"I don't feel it," she told the Seven Network when asked if she thought Zahra was still alive.

"I think having any hope in me makes it hurts more, with what their finding and the way they're saying she was treated."

Ms Dietrich had postnatal depression after Zahra was born and Adam Baker was given custody, but she said she had been fighting for her share of custody of Zahra for nine years.

She had used the internet to track down her daughter in the US three days before she went missing.

"I never got to say goodbye, I never got to say hello," a distressed Ms Dietrich said.

"Why would it happen that I would find her and three days later this would happen."

Police believe Zahra, who lost a leg to cancer, may have met with foul play weeks before she was reported missing on October 9.

Elisa Baker, 42, who met Adam Baker on the internet, is in custody for allegedly writing a bogus ransom note several hours before police were alerted that the child was missing

Police have also found Zahra's prosthetic leg near where her stepmother once lived.

"I don't want them to find more because it will tell the story I don't want to hear but I want them to find more so we can out an end," Ms Dietrich said.

"I can't explain the anger, the hurt.

"He made no right to do any of it, to keep her from me."

Investigators are continuing to check wooded areas and illegal dump areas for Zahra.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/local/nsw/a/-/local/8268021/mother-of-zahra-baker-speaks-out/

I am just speculating here but am thinking that maybe it is Zahra's leg that was amputated. This case just seems to get worse and worse.

I know my little Zahra is gone, says her Australian mother

(http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2010/11/05/1225948/550842-emily-dietrich.jpg)

(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/11/05/1225948/550841-emily-dietrich.jpg)

EMILY Dietrich, mother of missing Australian girl Zahra Baker, knows in her heart her daughter is dead.
From her home in country NSW, Ms Dietrich has told how she has spent the past decade searching for the pretty 10-year-old, whose battle against bone cancer has been a beacon of hope to other sufferers.

Just days before Zahra's disappearance, Ms Dietrich had traced her daughter to the small US township in which she lived. Agonisingly, she was not able to make contact with Zahra or her father, Adam Baker.

"Is there any hope that she's alive? I don't feel it," Ms Dietrich told Channel 7 last night. "They reckon mothers just have this bond with their children and I think having any hope in me makes it hurt more with what they're finding and the way they were saying she was treated. The only hope I have in me now is that she is gone so she's not being hurt any more."

Ms Dietrich suffered severe post-natal depression after Zahra's birth and chose to let her newborn go with her father. "I never got to say goodbye, I never got to say hello," she said.

As she recovered her health, Ms Dietrich said she tried to make contact with Baker and her daughter, who had her leg amputated five years ago because of bone cancer. Ms Dietrich said she never gave up looking for Zahra and Baker, finally tracking him to America via the internet, only to have Zahra reported missing three days later.

"Why would it happen that I find her and three days later this happens? It's just mean," she said. "I don't want them to find more because it will tell a story I don't want to hear.

"She found me to find her and I like to believe that ... she was already gone when I found her and she found me to tell her story and to find her and put her to rest.

"I can't explain the anger ... the hurt. He had no right to do any of it, to keep her from me. I felt robbed before she was taken for good. Now I just feel broken."

No one has been charged over Zahra's disappearance, reported on October 9. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, and father have been arrested on other charges. But this week investigators said they sent a bone found in a pond to the office of the Chief Medical Examiner for inspection.

The pond is in the vicinity of a brushy area where search crews last week found a prosthetic leg that police say belongs to Zahra.

Ms Baker claims she last saw Zahra sleeping in her room about 2.30am on October 9 in the family home in North Carolina.

Her disappearance has been the focus of an intensive FBI investigation and has received enormous media coverage in the US.

Ms Baker has been charged with writing a fake ransom note connected with Zahra's disappearance and is currently in jail.

The 42-year-old pagan and goth met Queensland-born Baker on the internet.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/i-know-my-little-zahra-is-gone-says-her-australian-mother/story-e6freuzr-1225948550880

'They're not leaving any stone unturned' in Zahra Baker search
Search for Zahra continues on man's 40-acre property in Caldwell County


Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/05/1812140/officers-focus-on-caldwell-co.html#ixzz14PyJRDML
CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. – A day after investigators recovered a bone that may have belonged to Zahra Baker, search teams returned to a 40-acre ranch in Caldwell County to look for other possible evidence.

Police won't say exactly where the bone was found, but J.T. Isenhour said he believes both the bone as well as Zahra's prosthetic leg were discovered on his property along Christie Road.

On Thursday morning, groups of 15 to 20 investigators walked shoulder-to-shoulder sweeping the property, Isenhour said. Using special poles, Isenhour said they moved the rocks and leaves that blanket the property in search of any tiny piece of evidence that could be hidden underneath.

"They're digging here, digging there. Moving this. Moving that," Isenhour said. "They're not leaving any stone unturned."

Authorities sent the bone to the N.C. Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for inspection. Maj. Clyde Deal of the Hickory Police Department, which is leading the investigation into Zahra's disappearance, said Thursday afternoon he had not received word about whether the bone belonged to the missing 10-year-old girl.

Zahra, who is hearing impaired and had her left leg partially amputated due to bone cancer, has been the subject of a massive search for nearly a month in a case that's drawn international attention.

Isenhour's 40-acre property extends on both sides of Christie Road. It's mostly woods and has been owned by Isenhour's family for at least two generations. It includes a small house where his wife grew up and a barn where he takes care of a horse.

He has no idea, he says, how Zahra's prosthetic leg and other possible remains wound up on his property.

Speaking from his driveway as a helicopter flew over, Isenhour said the investigation has been emotionally draining. He first learned of the search after returning from a trip to the mountains. The 74-year-old retired truck driver said he was concerned to find five messages on his answering machine from different investigators, including from the Caldwell sheriff's office and the State Bureau of Investigation. Like so many members of the community, he said he's hoping for some closure.

"The thought of this being done to a kid and then to find it in your own backyard so to speak," he said. "It makes for some sleepless nights."

No one has been charged in Zahra's disappearance, but her stepmother, Elisa Baker, is in jail on obstruction of justice charges after police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into the missing girl.

Adam Baker, Zahra's father, was arrested Oct. 25 and later released on bond for multiple charges, including writing worthless checks and assault with a deadly weapon.

Maj. Deal said he expected investigators would return to the Christie Road site today. He would not give additional details on what led them to the property, but The Associated Press has reported that Elisa Baker accompanied police at least once to the area searching for clues.

The search site is less than two miles from a home where she once lived, but Isenhour said he's never met Elisa Baker or known of the family until news broke about a local girl who was missing.

On Thursday, the N.C. Attorney General's office told the ******* its consumer protection division was looking into a group that has raised money in Zahra Baker's name. The Spiritual Counseling Network announced Wednesday it had closed down its Zahra fund - which raised $712 - after receiving a wave of negative publicity. The group drew scrutiny when the police and media outlets raised questions about how the money would actually be used


http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/05/1812140/officers-focus-on-caldwell-co.html

sad for Emily and her family..
Zahra looked like a happy baby in the picture with  her mom..

Search continues in western N.C. for missing (with video)


CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- The search continued for missing Zahra Baker on Thursday as they continued to comb through the area her prosthetic leg was found in.

http://www2.wnct.com/news/2010/nov/05/search-continues-western-nc-missing-girl-ar-513711/

Missing Hickory girl's mom thinks daughter is dead

SYDNEY — The Australian mother of a 10-year-old girl who was reported missing from her North Carolina home nearly a month ago said through tears Friday that she believes her daughter is dead.

Emily Dietrich, whose daughter Zahra Baker was living in Hickory with her father and stepmother, said she has little hope of seeing Zahra alive again.

"I don't feel it," she told Australia's Seven Network in her first interview since the girl's disappearance. "I reckon that mothers just have this bond with their children."

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, reported her missing Oct. 9. Authorities have said they believe the girl is dead. No one has been charged in her disappearance.

Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, has been jailed on an obstruction of justice charge since the weekend Zahra disappeared. Police said she admitted writing a fake ransom note found at the scene of a fire in the family's backyard the same day Zahra was reported missing.

"I never got to say goodbye," Dietrich said of her daughter, who relies on hearing aids and a prosthetic leg because of bone cancer.

Dietrich said she suffered postnatal depression after Zahra's birth and handed over custody to Adam Baker. Later, though, she decided she wanted to be in the girl's life and spent years trying to track the pair. However, every time she found Baker, she said, he would disappear.

Using the Internet, she discovered he was living in the U.S. Just three days later, she said, Zahra was reported missing.

"Why would it happen that I would find her and three days later this would happen?" she said, sobbing.

On Monday, Hickory police said they had confirmed that a prosthetic leg found at a home where Elisa Baker once lived was Zahra's.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/8574197/

Thank you!
Zahra's mom is very pretty, Zahra favored her a lot.
I feel so bad for this poor mother, my prayers are with her.
I do not think it is a co-inky dink that she found Zahra just days before the child went missing.

Zahra's biological mother speaks out to Australian press (with video)

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/632380/zahra-s-biological-mother-speaks-out-to-australian-press

NANCY GRACE
Stepmother Reportedly Wrote She Found Zahra Dead
Aired November 4, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Natisha Lance standing by in Hudson, North Carolina, at the search site. Natisha, number one, the search is entering into day two in the hopes of finding another one of Zahra`s bones. And more jailhouse letters have now surfaced. What have we learned?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, I spoke to a cousin of Elisa Baker just before we went to air, and she says family members have received at least four letters from Elisa Baker behind bars. Now, in this letter, she says that she is worried about Zahra. She also says that they did not kill Zahra. And she continues to say that she is behind bars because of Adam Baker. But in another letter that was written to another family member, Elisa Baker allegedly says that Zahra Baker -- she found Zahra Baker dead and that Zahra had been sick for quite some time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/04/ng.01.html

Lenie, this is the thought I had.  I also wonder if it would be obvious from the appearance of a bone whether you can tell if the person had bone cancer?

I wonder if more charges could be coming from Australia. If Adam Baker caused harm to his daughter.



http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/courts/youth/index.html

I cry every time I hear this song..... but right now I don't even need a song... just thinking of what has happened to Zahra makes me sob.....  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

Yes Zahra does look like her mom.  No denying that is her real mom.

NANCY GRACE
Stepmother Reportedly Wrote She Found Zahra Dead
Aired November 4, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: To Dr. Marty Makary, physician, professor of public health, Johns Hopkins, joining us tonight out of Chicago. Dr. Marty, if you looked at, for instance, a dog bone, wouldn`t you know immediately that it`s not a human bone?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, JOHNS HOPKINS: You would know immediately, unless it were a small fragment. But bones are very unique, and a child`s bone is unique because the growth plate hasn`t formed.  And there are certain characteristics where a lot of it`s cartilage, and you can tell it`s the bone of a child. You know, it`s got rings so you can look at it like a tree and tell what the age is.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/04/ng.01.html

The statement that Emily,Zahra's mom said will forever make an impact on me.I noticed this in only one statement and then left out of others...WHY??? I don't know.She said "she found me to find her and I like to believe that she was already gone when I found her,and she found me to tell her story and to find her and put her to rest.." Yes ,Emily that is exactly true,you are her Mom and she wanted to find you for those reasons you can be sure..She loves you and knows that you tried to do the right thing when you were ill.But evil took over Adam,even before Elisa, because he kept her from you..There was no reason for him to do that..Then evil just escalated until Zahra could not take anymore..And God took her home..

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
I've been feeling VERY anxious and sick to my stomache when thinking about Zahra today.  I hope that means that answers are coming soon...

<snipped>

Since Adam Baker  gave the Australian government a former last name for Emily when applying for Zahra’s passport, thereby causing the Australian bureaucracy to fail to locate “Emily Dietrich”, and resulting in the issuance of the passport without Emily’s approval based on not being able to locate her, when Emily found Zahra it may have been the impetus for the Bakers to report Zahra missing.

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/11/05/zahra-baker-case-search-continues-on-christie-road/#comment-88716

Adam's mother must be a piece of work too, to keep Zahra hidden from her bio-mom all these years.
When do they plan to lock his fat azz up already?

 :smt038  Well said, Curly!

Ma Baker said she would get answers from Adam. Her and Youngen Baker have been in NC for two weeks now and are in their hidey hole.  Where are the answers?  Why has she not gone on TV screaming and demanding anyone who knows anything to call police.  She has time to be on FB with her Pro-Baker clan slamming anyone voicing support for Emily and slamming anyone saying a bad word against her spawn, yet where is Zahra? where are the answers? It is time that the adults do the right thing and remember Zahra in all this.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I kept saying to myself there will never be another Cindy Anthony, again I was wrong  ::MonkeyNoNo::

SBI runs DNA test on bone as search continues


HUDSON --
More than 40 law enforcement officers lined up along Pine Mountain Road at about 9:15 a.m. Thursday morning to continue their search for Zahra Baker.

They stood close enough together that if they’d stretched out their arms they could have touched the fingertips of the officers on their right and left. They carried poles, sticks and machetes and moved branches and grass aside as they searched the ground and moved into the underbrush in the direction of Christie Road.

The officers spent the day searching the area where a bone was found Wednesday. Investigators believe the bone may be human, but those suspicions have not been confirmed.

“Obviously, we believe it may be (a human bone) because we have had people tell us it is consistent with a human bone, but we have no confirmation on that,” said Capt. Thurman Whisnant of the Hickory Police Department.

The bone was delivered to SBI lab Thursday to collect a DNA profile. It takes longer for the medical examiner to examine the bone than it does for the SBI lab to collect material for DNA. By delivering the bone to the SBI office first, the profile can be completed while the ME’s office conducts a separate set of tests, Whisnant said.

The bone was found in the same general area where investigators found Zahra’s prosthetic leg on Oct. 26.

Whisnant confirmed that investigators are aware that a pair of letters purportedly written from jail by Zahra’s stepmother has been leaked to the press.

One of the letters states that her stepdaughter, Zahra, is dead and that her husband, Adam Baker, did something “horrifying” after her death.

“We didn’t really kill her but what he did after the fact is kinda horrifying,” says one of the letters Eric Gein claims he got from Elisa Baker, who is in jail. “Makes me scared of him.”

Gein, who lives in Jacksonville, Fla., and owns SerialKillersInk.net, has put the letters up for sale for $1,250 each. He says he believes that the letters are real.

“We are checking into the validity of the letters, but right now our biggest priority is the continuation of our search efforts,” Whisnant said. “We’re working very methodically to put everything in the right order and establish a timeline as the investigation continues.”

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/05/sbi-runs-dna-test-bone-search-continues-ar-512244/.

The Hidey Hole:  ::MonkeyCool::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/hidyhole.jpg)

That rat is too thin ::MonkeyCool::  Just saying  ::MonkeyDevil::

I still say that in all these cases we should use a drug like Versed on all individuals involved...that's the fastest way to the truth.  If you are innocent..you won't say anything that isn't truthful....if you are guilty the same thing..you cannot lie while under the effect of Versed.

If anyone in my family ever goes missing, I'll notify the LE, then I'll hire private detectives to get the people involved to have a conversation with me while under Versed..and then deliver the person to LE..still chatting.

I like that idea.

Is LE out searching the same area again today?

Yes

In TV interview, Zahra's real mom fears her daughter is dead

SYDNEY (WBTV) - The biological mother of an Australian girl who was reported missing from her North Carolina home nearly a month ago says she believes her daughter is dead.

Emily Dietrich's 10-year-old daughter Zahra Baker was living in Hickory, N.C., with her father and stepmother when she was reported missing on October 9.

Related:  Watch the video interview

Dietrich told Australia's Seven News in her first interview since the little girl went missing that she doubts she'll ever see Zahra alive again.

"I don't feel it.  Mothers just have this bond with their children and just having no hope in me, makes it hurt even more," Dietrich said. "With what they are finding and how they are saying she was treated.  The only hope I have in me now is that she is gone, so that she's not being hurt anymore."

Dietrich says she gave Zahra's father Adam Baker custody of their daughter because she was suffering post-natal depression. She says she has spent years trying to track the girl down.

"Unless you understand the story, you don't understand the pain," Dietrich told Seven News reporter Robert Ovadia.

In the interview, Dietrich said Adam Baker disappeared with Zahra shortly after getting custody and every time she found him, he disappeared again.  She told Ovadia that she found him over the Web in America.  Three days later, Zahra was reported missing.

"Why would it happen that I would find her and three days later this would happen?" Dietrich asked. "It's just mean."

Adam Baker, who is Zahra's father, moved to Hickory about 3 years ago to marry Elisa Baker, who he met on the Internet. Zahra went with them.

"I can't explain the anger, the hurt. He had no right to do any of it, to keep her from me," said Dietrich.

Elisa Baker is charged with obstruction of justice in the case for allegedly faking a ransom note, police say.

Dietrich clinched her teeth when asked about if Zahra called Elisa Baker 'mum.'

"I just pray to God that she had enough of me in her to never do that."

Police have found a bone during a search for the girl, but it is unclear if the bone belongs to Zahra. It is currently at the NC SBI lab for analysis.

"I don't want them to find more because it will tell the story I don't want to hear," Dietrich said through tears. "But I want them to find more so we can put it together."

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13451271

Map: Search for Zahra Baker

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=108431947731587412095.0004943ea75dc772b14e1&ll=35.837855,-81.460876&spn=0.390766,0.615921&t=h&z=11

Ya - I noticed she posted something on Zahra's Bring Her Home FB page yesterday.  She mentions something about picking up something that she knew her granddaughter loved so much?  Haven't found yet what she was referring to.

This is so disturbing to me that they found one bone..yet the rest of the bones are not there..meaning her little body is either scattered by animals or man?  This is more then sick..it is more then inhuman.

Gothmom had to play a part in this..they are scattered near where she lived before Adam.  She was the one in the car when LE initialed searched this area.

Her letter to a relative that Zahra had been sick for a long time and died doesn't even make sense to me.  Of course Z had been sick a long time..she had bone cancer and lung cancer .
 
Gothmom is just so irratatingly stupid....

Thanks CBB... I had a good hearty laugh over this one!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Forgive me for not having a link, but I believe the item to which she referred was the stuffed animal (dog) that she was carrying in the video showing them leaving the house. I think it is on the eviction video.

Yes, I'm sure you are right and I assumed this also.

Dietrich says she gave Zahra's father Adam Baker custody of their daughter because she was suffering post-natal depression. She says she has spent years trying to track the girl down.   ::MonkeyAngel::  She did the right thing because she knew at the time she couldn't take care of Zahra, but don't believe she meant for him and his mommy to go run and not let her see the child  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Just a terrible situation that this woman/mom has gone through.

ITA..Great post NRCG

how sad....This case leaves me speechless.

O/T but thought ya'll would like to see a bright spot in an otherwise dreary day.

http://www.rickeystokesnews.com/article.php/happy-ending-for-lost-8-year-old-14208
Happy Ending for Lost 8 Year Old
Enterprise PD

Date: Nov 05 2010 9:06 AM


The Enterprise Police Department received a call at 4:00 yesterday afternoon regarding a missing 8 year old boy.  The mother of the child advised that her son had been missing from their home in the Hunter Ridge Sub-division for approximately 30 minutes.  Officers with the Enterprise Police Department responded and began searching for the child.  Chief Jones contacted Sheriff Sutton with the Coffee County Sheriff’s Department and requested their assistance and also requested the assistance of the Dale County Sheriff’s Department’s helicopter.  At approximately 6:00 pm a resident in Hunter Ridge advised she observed a boy walking along highway 167.  Enterprise P.D. Investigators Darrell Griswold and Kyle Hale located the 8 year old walking in a ditch near highway 167 approximately 3 miles from his residence.  The Enterprise Rescue Squad and officers with the Alabama Department of Game and Fish also responded.  The Enterprise Police Department would like to thank all the agencies that responded and assisted in the search. 
 ::MonkeyCheer4::




 

That is a huge rat, I think that is what it is.  Is this someone's pet????

Thank-you, I always feel so terrible when new moms get that terrible depression, and even though she was young she knew enough to have the dad take care of the baby, little did she know what was going to happen  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree, NRCG,
This poor mom did what she thought best for her child, because she loved her and wanted the best care for her, and the very one she entrusted her child to was really no more than animal and let unspeakable evil happen to his OWN child. Despicable.  I hope Adam and fantasy- goth- woman rot in hell.

Can KB held partly responsible for any of this? I mean criminally. Since mum had joint custody, wouldn't her helping keep her away from Zahra be considered custodial interference. And since that custodial interference helped lead to Zahra's death, I would think that something could be brought against her. Isn't this how it would work here in the states?

In fact, wouldn't KB be almost entirely responsible for the custodial interference? Since she didn't forward on the message to let AB deal with...jmo.

No telling what else KB covered up.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Someone or several people posted some time back about lighting candles for Zahra.  How do you do that???   And, how did someone name a star for a person.  I love that.  So fitting.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8798.0        ::MonkeyAngel::

I think Karen was assisting in keeping Zahra from her Mum in while they were all in AU.
Unless she signed some papers to allow Adam to get the passport, she is just guilty of being a B. Who should also rot in H. She has to know right now about all of the abuse Zahra suffered at their hands and she and her other son are staying with him. Even if Adam never laid a finger on the child, he stood by like a spineless sheep while Zahra didn't go to school, didn't go to the doctor, didn't leave the house, was locked in her room ?, didn't eat properly.
I hope there is enough evidence and enough persons who have first hand knowledge of what went on in that house, like Aaron Young, and Ms. Starbucks who will give evidence enough to convict him of felony child abuse plus more. I don't know the laws well enough in NC. to even know what he could be charged with.
I read that the Bakers are staying with EB's family. Why is anyone giving him shelter ? They must be the peeps who didn't try to save Zahra from these animals.

There's this article on the condition of the  house after the search:

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13453571

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG5.jpg)

A guy (thing1) on the comments asks why would anyone move and leave their kids things behind.

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG3.jpg)

This one looks like... the ceiling?

The thought blood spatter comes to mind.

:(

IF Zahra was sick for a long time and died, why try to cover the whole thing with such a stupid plot?

Not seeking medical treatment could be considered neglect, maybe manslaughter? IMO.

They had to know an autopsy would be conducted and an illness that could've been taken care of would easily show up and point to them.

That is... IF what she's telling people is true, which is doubtful.

I mean, which murder suspect writes people (even unknown people) about the case... knowing that the press will land their hands on the letters... and say, "I did it?"

Regardless, all those letters claimed to be  "originals" should be classified as evidence. Why has LE not subpoenaed them?

 

First glimpse inside Zahra's house: clothes in closet, but holes in wall, floor (with video)

HICKORY (WBTV) - Zahra Baker has been missing since Oct. 9, but when WBTV toured her home in Hickory on Friday, the 10-year-old girl's clothes were still hanging in her closet and a Candyland game was on the top shelf.

Those might be the only two normal things in the house her family has since been evicted from.

Elsewhere, the house is a mess: walls have been punched through, entire sinks are missing and there are holes through the floor and ceiling. Outside, in the front yard, a small shrine to Zahra continues to grow.

Detectives have not just torn up the yard and combed through the house, they have dismantled large portions of the home while looking for evidence of her disappearance.

First reported as a missing-persons case, the search for Zahra soon took on homicide aspect when officials said no one had seen the girl for at least 2 weeks. Her stepmother, Elisa Baker, is in jail, charged with faking a ransom note in her disappearance.

In the 3-bedroom, 1-bathroom house, Friday WBTV saw that the entire bathroom sink and cabinets were gone. The kitchen sink was gone.

Elsewhere, there are also holes in several walls of the house where the Baker family lived starting in July of this year, having moved from a mobile home in Caldwell County.

The most stark contrast is in Zahra's room where an entire section of the floor is gone – and the bare ground is visible.

In other rooms, some floorboards are pulled up and missing, but the sub-flooring was left in place.

Although her father, Adam Baker, was recently evicted, he has left furniture in a room WBTV did not have access to.

Adam Baker at first talked to the media about his daughter's disappearance, but after spending a couple of nights in jail on unrelated charges, he has kept quiet.


http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13453571

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG6.jpg)
Part of a wall missing in Zahra's room.

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG5.jpg)
Clothes in Zahra's closet.

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG4.jpg)
A hole in Zahra's bedroom floor.

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG3.jpg)
A hole in the kitchen ceiling.

(http://wbtv.images.worldnow.com/images/13453571_BG2.jpg)
Toys on the floor of Zahra's closet.

More captures.  Zahra had Fairies on her wall  ::MonkeyTears::

I'm stunned by these pictures  ::MonkeyEek::  Are her clothes suppose to have been left? Or was dad and grandma to darn lazy to take her clothes and toys, or just plain don't care?

Or know she won't be needing them.  ::MonkeyNoNo:  Aka...plain don't care.

  Her clothes and toys are all still there.  Guess Grannie, Dad and Young Baker were more concerned about Adam's crap  than any of Zahra's things.  IMO they are going to protect him at all cost, like an Aussie version of the Rosebud twins   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

::MonkeyNoNo:: I'm guessing the pink bedroom that was Zahra's was already painted that color, I can't imagine them painting it special for her. Just seems like some very strange places on the floor and ceiling were taken out   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Oh definitely, just like the Anthonys it sure appears to be   ::MonkeyNoNo::

 Kitchen has a nice new bottle of soap, pipes gone, another poster Zahara had up. I wonder if Zahra painted that room by herself looking at the base boards. 

Likely coincides with where suspicious areas showed up under the light.

The bakers bedroom maybe?

The picture of her toys on the floor just breaks my heart. It is almost like they are there waiting for her to come home.  How can people do this stuff and still look at themselves in the mirror.  ::MonkeyWaa::  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Laugh, Live, Love... they forgot to add "Lie" to that.

 ::rhino::

Thanks so much.  I was able to light a candle for her.

Now, that's got to be uncomfortable for EB's family.  She is in jail being raked over the coals and he is out enjoying freedom.  I bet it will be short lived though.  He will get his in the end.  I have faith!

Here is a link to a slideshow with 18 photos that shows more details in the interior of the house (including cans of paint on a baker's rack in the kitchen and loose soil on a bathroom floor).

http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/25649131/detail.html

Maybe someone more skilled than I can bring them over in picture form.

Emily has a scrapbook with all she still has from Zahra.  It looks to be well kept and carefully protected with plastic.  What a contrast from these images to the Baker's abandoning Zahra's belongings. 

Prolly the latter, IMHO. ::MonkeyNoNo::

here are some.  Looks like a few fists went through the wall over live and love

Living room?

Thank-you  ::MonkeyNoNo::  It makes you sick to your stomach to see those pictures and imagine what may have all happened it that house.

Just like something straight out of a horror movie. ::MonkeyNoNo::

What's with the bathroom wall?  Looks like the pink tile was painted over with black latex paint and it's all peeling away.  Wonder if that is a result of LE's search or if that's the condition it was before.  Same with the holes in the wall...was there there before, or from LE's search...?

Does anyone know how to name a star after someone.  I think this is so awesome and I have someone else in mind.  I am so green on these matters.

Hi Monkeyes!

I do thank you all for all the hard work. 

Did anyone else comment on the boarder in the LR photo;  Live, Love, Laugh ?

Terri

That must have already been there when they moved in.  I cannot imagine Goth putting this up!!!

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A large team of searchers spent Friday searching the area around Christie Road in Caldwell County. They confirmed that they found "additional evidence" during Friday's search, but have not said what that evidence is. Shortly before the search ended for the day, investigators gathered and appeared to pray.

~snipped~

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25649441/detail.html

A large team of searchers spent Friday searching the area around Christie Road in Caldwell County. They confirmed that they found "additional evidence" during Friday's search, but have not said what that evidence is. Shortly before the search ended for the day, investigators gathered and appeared to pray.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25649441/detail.html

I wonder why only part of the wall and floor? Maybe blood spatter or signs of a clean up?

Does anyone know how long blood or tissue would remain in the pipes? What other possible reasons would they remove the sinks? Would LE be fairly certain they would find something before removing all this, or would they take it all just to check?

I hope stepmonster gave up some truth as to what they did to Zahra and where she is but I don't think the answer is going to make anyone of us feel any better. I really think this is going to be bad!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's already bad.  Stepmonster has admitted Zahra was found dead by her!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I hate this woman.  She should have called 911 at that moment. ::MonkeyMad::

Northern Rose, I see stars on her bedroom wall too.  I think Zahra loves that she now has her own special star named for her. ::MonkeyAngel::
Poor baby, didn't seem to have very many clothes or toys. I would have given her so much more if she would have been mine. Prayers for Zahra.

Would this be a normal thing to do do you think?  Or would they be praying because of what they found?

I think the reason everything is removed from Zahras room is because LE had to move it in order to pull up the carpet? Perhaps the room the cameras were not allowed in contained the families personal items/furniture.

video of them "praying"
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25650176/index.html

Yes and that can only mean one thing, IMO, Zahra died from no accident . What other reason not to call? I hate her too!!  ::MonkeyMad::

Northern Rose ~ Thank you for including all of us Monkeys in naming a star for Zahra! That was very thoughtful of you! ::MonkeyKiss::

A team of searchers appeared to gather for prayer before ending Friday's search for Zahra Baker.

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25650176/index.html

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZahraSearchersPray2.jpg)

It looks like a debriefing at the command center, that many times will end with a prayer at the end of a search.

Kimmy if it were here upper bone that was still left on the amputated leg I believe the end would be different. A friend of mine said they rounded off the end of her leg after they amputated. Not sure?

The worst part of these pictures for me are the clothes. I would want to hold them close and know that they had wrapped my baby at one time. They had touched her skin.

I wonder if they found any of Zahra's dirty clothes at the house? Sure would be a tell tale sign.

I do not believe for one second that this evil woman found Zahra dead. If you look at the piece of wall and the square on the flooring that was taken out, the space between the square and the wall is about the size of a twin bed. That or I have a vivid imagination.

My heartfelt prayers go out to these searchers. It takes a special kind of person to do this and they have my utmost respect.

Thank you.

This precious little girl deserved so much more.

 ::MonkeyTears::

Janet

It works for me.

I had to wonder if they painted it like that after the fact......... to cover up

you can google name a star too, if you dont like this site
http://www.painterofdreams.com/

post that started it,faith1109 planted the seed,i posted site,
northern rose did the star
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8870.msg1257139#msg1257139

star here
http://www.painterofdreams.com/anyoneviewstar.php?SAO=158845
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8870.msg1257191#msg1257191

not sure if they, were trying to cover a bad paint job, or something else
it looks like (i forget what its called), you paint the base color, then sponge
or feather,a lighter color of the base color over the base, if done right, it looks good

I know what you mean... just wondering.....

Does anyone have a link to the latest letters written by EB. I can't find them anywhere.  ::MonkeyEek::

No. Al, I heard was NG talking about them, started googling and came up with zilch.

http://www.wsoctv.com/slideshow/news/25649131/detail.html

wish i could see what the note is on the fridge,in pic 12

pic 13 doesnt look like anyone looked in the toilet tank
the paint prob peeled away from steam,hot water showers,
 hair dryer use ect, you really cant paint tile, as it is
a baked material

Kitchen with paint cans, an aquarium?, and someone trying to paint right in front of the sink

Thanks, really appreciate this.

Wonder why the ceiling?  Is this in Zahra's room or in the kitchen?

You might try Cranky Crankerson, She has the first letters and up  dates frequently. There is a link to her Zahra pictures on this thread at the one called pictures.

Bathroom

Kitchen

NCSunny

The letters revealed in last night's NG Show were written by Elisa to family members.  It was a family member who contacted NG.  I do not think these letters have been released to the media.  I could be wrong.

Janet

++++++


NANCY GRACE
Stepmother Reportedly Wrote She Found Zahra Dead
Aired November 4, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Natisha Lance standing by in Hudson, North Carolina, at the search site. Natisha, number one, the search is entering into day two in the hopes of finding another one of Zahra`s bones. And more jailhouse letters have now surfaced. What have we learned?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, I spoke to a cousin of Elisa Baker just before we went to air, and she says family members have received at least four letters from Elisa Baker behind bars. Now, in this letter, she says that she is worried about Zahra. She also says that they did not kill Zahra. And she continues to say that she is behind bars because of Adam Baker. But in another letter that was written to another family member, Elisa Baker allegedly says that Zahra Baker -- she found Zahra Baker dead and that Zahra had been sick for quite some time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/04/ng.01.html

Letters
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13433475

and CBB made the amazing picture of Zahra with her star   ::MonkeyAngel::

The entire bathroom sink. I always thought they just took the pipes if the police suspected blood might be in the drain, wonder how many times they take the entire sink out?

i think a leaky ceiling, IE, blue tarp on the roof, prob was already like that
forget the pic #, wall with the holes near the light switch, looks punched
by a fist and the one on the left looks to have been patched b4

Those holes sure do look like someone punched the wall hard.

Yeah, CBB has got it going on with her artistic pictures of Zahra.  Kudos for CBB!!!   ::MonkeyDance::

TY NR, my bad i thought mariloo, had mentioned it is a wonderful pic
maybe it was someone else

We have a rental home and ... for the most part we have lucked out over the years in regards to our long term tennants.  However ... after one family left ... several rooms had holes punched in the wall.  We couldn't believe it.  Where would such anger originate?  Wouldn't it hurt?  Anyway ... it was the first and only time tennants did not have their damage deposit returned and ... there was no complaint.

Janet.

Where would such anger originate?

2 broken knuckles later,in my younger day, alcohol and drugs
i just look at myself in amazement now, i made it, with only
that and 20 days jail time, i think the jail time straightened
 me out, and good parents tough love

Nancy Grace starting right now!  Lots of issues being covered.  Should be good.

5:03 PM PT

Says step-monster took poly?
She's the one with bruises.
This woman needs to die.

(Watching NG).

Cousin on NG saying:

She has letters from Elisa and in each one she says how much she cared about Zahra
Elisa does not understand how the man she loves can do her this way
She has repeatedly said they did not kill Zahra
Zahra had a virus for two weeks before she died which was also acknowledged by her oldest daughter
Why she was not taken to a Dr they do not know
Elisa suffers from bipolar and depression
3 family members and a long time friend have said they have never seen Elisa physically abuse Zahra

Finally caught up; bumping this link for those just checking in.  I agree with monkeys who see a resemblance between Zahra and her mother Emily. 

 ::MonkeyCool:: (Apologies for interrupting NG.)

Oh please, if your child has a virus and dies, you don't write a ransom note, start a fire, and get rid of the child's remains in what appears to be in a gruesome fashion  ::MonkeyNoNo::  And lets add drugs to the bipolar and depression, and not the kind of drugs used for bipolar and depression. It really gets old and sickening that whenever these terrible things happen, bipolar always has to be thrown into the mix.

Sorry if this has already been posted.....
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25650017/index.html

LE searchers found more evidence today along Christie Rd. near where Zahra's prosthetic leg was found. LE would not say what evidence was found, only that it was not bones. Sent to lab for testing.

NoRose...I couldn't have said it better myself...I would have been tempted to add..it is a bunch of BS     ::MonkeyMad::   etc!

I have 2 granddaughters that come to my house about once a  month.....you should see the room they have here.  It is totally Tinkerbell.  I have wallies on the ceiling, plaques on the walls, etc.  As soon as you walk in most people are amazed.  And as I said, they are not here that often.  I just want them to feel special and know they always belong here.   

Each of their parents have their rooms at home personalized as well; Disney princesses, American girl...etc.  Even when we are at garage sales if we see something that goes with their rooms we get it.   

Sometimes we take for granted that our children are thought of all the time, in everything we do.  I get tooo sad knowing any child is not loved and made to feel special.  Money has nothing to do with it....I have cut photos of Tink out of wrapping paper and posted it on the bedroom door.

And as I believe Lennie posted, wouldn't you want to wrap every piece of clothing and hold it dear?  Just the smell, the memories, etc.  I know we do not all think the same, but aren't some things human nature, such as wanting to cherish our children's items?  Even if they are locked away in a room and we cannot bare to look at them, they are cherished. 


As a result of the photos of  her closet, I cannot be sympathetic to any one but the bio mother.   You cannot convince me anyone has an ounce of good in them.

MOO

TY to all who answered, I have been really busy, but trying to keep up with Zahra's sad case.  ::MonkeyTears::

IF she did pass away from a "virus ", they destroyed any evidence to substantiate that story.
The fire , throwing away the leg, throwing her away, the mattress. 

Terri, I learned a long time ago there is pure evil in this world.
My heart is breaking for Emily too. 
Thank you to the monkey who posted the comparison pictures.  I bet her Mom is devasated looking at such a beautiful child.
Kat_Gram, virus my butt.  Very simple, children get sick, take them to the doctor or a clinic.  Oh that's right (snark) they had no money so Evilsha wrote a ransom note for a million.  That should cover it.  aargh

ITA...NRCG.

There is no such medical diagnosis that would ever say bipolar and depression.  What a crock of crack.  Bipolar is manic depresion..someone who has mood swings in both areas...no need to even say as well as depression..depression is the other side of bipolar disease.

If this woman is bipolar it is because she has caused her brain to malfunction due to years of drug and alcohol abuse.

This woman has abused her own body, mind and soul....she is totally to blame for her mental state..and her actions...no wonder she lives in a fantasy world..she never could nor would grasp her own reality. 

I continue to be sickened by stepmonster and AB is no better.  My heart just goes out to her real mom who has to be in her own torment now.  This case is the worst I have ever followed and it breaks my heart again every time I turn around.

Virus?  Dr?  Antibiiotics?  WTH????

Listening to Zahra's real mom... this is what a parent who has lost her child sounds like and it is so hard to watch.  Not what AB or EB sound like at all.

I so totally agree.
I have cried many tears over Caylee, Haleigh,Kyron and others, but this one has really broken my heart.  I cannot imagine the pain Emily is going through.  I keep praying that they find this precious child soon so that she can be layed to rest and I pray that justice will be served on the animals she called dad and stepmom.

I do not believe the family members and friends that are saying they never saw Elisa abuse Zahra...bull hockey.
Neighbors saw it, family saw it, teachers saw it...those that are trying to protect EB...shame on them. So what if Elisa is scared in jail, that is the price you pay for selling your soul to the devil.

I do not think she passed due to a virus. Could have starved to death or dehydrated.
The evidence that they have collected, the reports to DSS way before this happened, no one even the neighbours seeing Zahra, what her daughter said, the black eye, this was child abuse
that had gone on for months before they reported her missing. Nothing either one of says can be believed, they are looking to wiggle out of any responsibility.
And if we call bs, so will a jury.

I don't think so either Kat Gram.  I think all of Elisa's letters are nothing more than trying to divert blame away from herself.  She never even speaks of Zahra as if she meant anything more than the front porch mat.  I am sickened by both of the people who were supposed to care for this precious child.

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The bone was sent to Chapel Hill to be identified while investigators also wait on a DNA profile of the little girl from Australia, where she and her father once lived. That DNA will be extremely important in connecting the dots in this case.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/Crews-scour-Caldwell-County-for-clues-into-Zahra-Baker-disappearance-106794383.html

Why Australia?  Did Zahra not have a toothbrush or hairbrush they could compare DNA from?

not to sure about that, my mom is a breast cancer survivor, had to be careful
for 2yr after mastectomy and treatment
info
http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/PhysicalSideEffects/InfectionsinPeoplewithCancer/infections-in-people-with-cancer

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/content/vaccinations.aspx

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/united-states.aspx

maybe Australia has a complet dna profile for her

Kat_Gram You no longer need to get a new hobby.  You can go back to FB as AY is back out

at 1:44 there is a picture of Emily and Adam together in Australia

http://www.wcnc.com/video?id=106754533&sec=731773

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/EmilyAdamBaker.jpg)

He hasn't aged well in 10 years

(http://www.truecrimereport.com/assets_c/2010/10/Adam-Baker-mugshot-thumb-175x175.jpg)

Nope he looks like he aged 20 years.  What I am struck by is what Zahra would have looked like as a young woman when I see Emily in this picture.

anyone have AB court dates for his charges

This is what I saved in my notes:

Adam T. Baker’s upcoming court dates

Caldwell County, Nov. 18

-Worthless check

-Failure to return property on which there is a purchase option

-Communicating threats

-Communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

 

Catawba County, Nov. 19

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

Me Three! I don't think she died of a virus either. If she were sick and everything was okie dokie, why not take her to an Emergency Room? Why concoct an elaborate story of what happened to her?

Does anyone else think that there weren't many toys in the closet? For a 10 year old, it seemed really sparse to me.

I think so too CBB. There wasn't much of any thing there.  Just some stickers and a what looked like some kind of little pony type toy.   ::MonkeyMad::

There isn't much there is there?  Where are all of her shoes????

I didn't see any now that you mention them.

Good question, Jackie! Where the heck were her shoes???

GE, that's an incredibly small amount of toys, or items of interest for a 10 yr old IMO. Somewhere I saw that a candyland game was there. Candyland is too young for a 10 year old. The age appropriate range even by the manufacturer is 1-7, and they really stretch that.

My first post on this case, albeit Ive been following it from when it first broke on the news:

If Zahra was that sick (as step witch states), then they would have taken her to a doctor and/or the hospital.   There is no way with her medical record that a decent, caring individual would have not taken her for medical attention, the fact that its being stated that this "allegedly" transpired for two weeks exhibits child neglect & endangerment.   This witch is putting out there that she was abused & that is the reason that will be given why she wrote the fake ransom note-the fact that Zahra's father spoke of a ransom note during the bazaar 911 call indicates to me that they devised this farce together.   IMHO, stating that Zahra was ill is only being said now to lessen their culpability to her death once all the evidence smacks them in the face.   That being said, it seems pretty apparent by what we know already that this was an event that transpired over time & ended brutality.  I do not believe the date they claim Zahra went missing is true, I believe it was much longer.   The stepmother is an absolute narcissist, an evil spirit at that, judging by her writings.

I agree with the above sentiments regarding bipolar disorder.   Defense attorneys & defendants abuse this excuse constantly & it is an insult to millions that suffer from it - the likelihood that an individual with this disorder would commit murder based on it solely is extremely rare even when non-compliant with their meds for a period of time.   I'm not excluding the possibility that a non-compliant patient can become very agitated entirely, but to the level of killing, no not as common as the defense community puts out there.  Its even more uncommon that bipolar patients are also disabled with schizo type symptoms.    If indeed the disorder is present in a defendant accused of a violent crime, in most cases other symptoms of personality disorder(s) will be prevalent as well.    This much seems very clear, writing a ransom note, setting a staged fire, making excuses during what to most would be a frantic 911 call does not indicate that either of these individuals were incapacitated in any fashion whatsoever but quite deliberate in their actions.   This step witch is proving that now with all her letters, she's calculating &

Seems there might have been a caring way to seek needed medical attention close by.



http://www.ccmhickory.com/free_clinic.html

 
Free Clinic
Mission: To provide curative, preventative and diagnostic medical, dental and pharmaceutical care or specialist referrals to Catawba County residents who do not have access to these services, through the efforts of area health care professionals and volunteers.

We provide quality medical and pharmaceutical services to uninsured residents of Catawba County between the ages of 18 – 64 who meet 200% of federal poverty guidelines. If you are currently on Medicaid or Medicare, you are not eligible for our services.

Yep, like I stated a few threads back..... If she simply 'died' from illness, call the coroner....not the woodchipper.

Oh Thank you. I'm going to see what's up with him today. I think that some of these peeps, AY included are going to be important to tell the story of what was going on for the several months prior to and leading up to this. Set the scene.
..
As far as her not passing from a virus, I know that her immune system was compromised but to what degree, who can say ? But if she was ill, medical attention should have been sought out, not keeping her in a room and thinking, oh well ? And who knows if her cancer had returned ? As far as we know, she last had medical attention in Au two yeras ago. The being kept in a room and allowed out to eat only with no human contact ( those two aren't human ) must have been uplifting and nourishing to her spirit. 

Well, he ( AY ) got married.
Karen Baker say the DP is too good for some people. Like I guess she is referring to her lovely vampire wanna be DIL. Not her son who did nothing to stop this. And who by not stopping it participated in it. And who knows if he didn't actively participate in it ?
..

Yes, I too was thinking the same thing. Read a few pages back that there was a room AB had furniture stored [reporters were not allowed to photograph there] ...could that be where Zahra's things are also?

If you are cruel enough to keep a child locked in a room and only allowed out to eat for a short period of time I think having toys in the room would be the last thing they would do.

My FB stalking is done for the day.
Adam has a new friend, he had 14 B4, now he has 15, the new one is Dale Baker.
Why are none of these peeps putting the verbal boots to Adam Baker ? Why are they giving him shelter ?
Is Brenda Pooler the sister of Vampire Wanna B where they are staying ?
There are tents, there is the side of the road, there is the forest, there are under the bridge places, there is Ho Jo's there is the Super 8, the " No Tell "  Motels kinda places.

Police search in Burke County for remains of missing girl
Updated Wednesday, Oct 13 at 9:42 AM

The land searched belongs to the family of a foreman at the tree trimming company where Zahra's father, Adam, works. It is an area where mulch, wood chips, and heavy equipment is stored. Bobby Green, a former employee of the company, says Baker would have had access there. ....

Zahra was reported missing on Saturday, but police say it's been over a month since anyone other than the girl's father and stepmother has seen her. Elisa Baker says she saw Zahra sleeping at 2:30 a.m. Saturday.  Adam Baker says he last saw his daughter the Thursday before was reported missing.

Green said he visited the home weeks ago, but Elisa Baker told him Zahra was sick and couldn't leave her room.

"Outside the immediate family, we cannot confirm that anyone has seen Zahra in the last month,” Chief Adkins said.

That includes next-door neighbor Charles Bost, who says Zahra's father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, chatted with him in the yard once or twice and mentioned their dog.

But, he says, in the month and a half the Baker's lived here, they never mentioned a daughter.

"I didn't even know that she existed. I mean I've never seen her and I never heard him mention her or anything like that,” Bost said.

http://www.wcnc.com/home/Police-searching--104818544.html

Should Schools Have Raised Red Flag In Zahra Baker Case
Updated: 6:21 pm EDT October 14, 2010

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Channel 9 learned that Baker finished last school year in Caldwell County, but then she didn't show up for the first few days of school this year.

Channel 9 spoke with a school spokesperson, Libby Brown, on Thursday. She said a school counselor called Baker's parents and that Baker's parents said they moved to Hickory and were probably going to home-school Baker.

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http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25394665/detail.html

I suspect that a live Zahra never moved to Hickory.  I could be wrong.

Janet

I thought that also, and then some employees at a furniture store said they saw her. They may have, maybe their dates were wrong, or maybe they really did see her when they said they did.

Although I seldom post on this thread, I am here reading every day.  Thanks so much to all those who provide all the updates.  I know if it has happened, it will be here.

I took this to say that the little girl was from Australia versus getting the DNA from Australia.  But now that you say that, I'm not too sure what they mean.

Everyone's avatars look great!!

These two discust me.

They are both so full of excuses.

Isn't it standard practice that those of us who have been affected by cancer are supposed to have yearly check-ups at least?

So this child could have had a virus, and it spread to her lungs, as in pneumonia and these two idiots wouldn't have known.

Zahra's cancer could have come back, and these two idiots wouldn't have known.

That would have been one issue, however, by covering up her death, by staging a kidnapping, removing and doing who knows what with Zahra's body is something else.

They didn't respect this child in life, they certainly didn't respect her in death.

Due to the cancer treatment Zahra recieved in Australia, I'm sure they have her DNA profile on file and these cops want documented proof of Zahra's DNA, since it is already established, as comparision DNA.

They can give them anyone's toothbrush, hairbrush and claim it's Zahra's, then anything that is uncovered, will not match.

Dying of cancer or a virus wouldn't spread blood one the ceiling, the walls and the floor....LE took out huge pieces of each. 

Why no shoes:

I imagine the police took Zahra's shoes as evidence.  They can establish how her shoes were worn- the angle of the prosthetic vs the shape of the foot on the prosthetic.

Also, this can show what size her right foot was vs the shoe size of the left prosthetic foot.  Would this not show neglect if her right shoe size were a size 4 and the prosthetic a child's size 13?

The talk of Zahra being in the attic at one time is also horrifying as an attic in Florida in the summertime would be far too hot for anybody!  Same as leaving a child in a locked car in the heat.

I am curious about the manner in which the house was cut up.  Guess we will have to wait for a trial but maybe not since this is Florida with its Sunshine Law.

If they woodchipped this child's remains, I hope at least one of them gets the death penalty for that and the other life without possibility of parole.  That is just too awful to think about.  I hope the DA doesn't offer either one any deal, too.

Yes, you're right.  Also, people who wear prostetics don't wear a lot of different shoes.  Too hard to change them out.  But there should be some shoes.

Oh no it wouldn't, you're exactly right!!! 

The cops have to determine if this was murder, or part of the cover up.

Since they have removed parts of the ceiling, and we assume it's from blood on the ceiling, Zahra was ALIVE when whatever it was that took place to cause the blood on the ceiling. 


Determining Direction in Blood Spatter Analysis
Point of Origin is Important for Blood Evidence at Crime Scenes


http://www.suite101.com/content/determining-direction-in-blood-spatter-analysis-a171816

According to LE they confirmed she did move to Hickory but I suppose they could be wrong too. 

I was even wondering if the people at the furniture store had the wrong date? That could have happened, or Zahra really could have been in the store.

All they'd have to do to prove she moved is fingerprint her room.

And with what all the police were doing in the house and yard, she had to have moved to Hickory or I don't think they would have been doing all that work for evidence.

Considering Zahra finished Grade 4 while living in the trailer park but was not registered  for Grade 5 in the fall of 2010 following the family's move to Hickory ... I suspect that something happened to this little girl sometime in the summer.

Rather than the Hickory house ... I contend the trailer home should be the primary focus of a search.

Janet

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Punishment was her routine
Updated: November 01, 2010 - 8:34 PM

The family moved to the U.S. in December 2008.

They lived with Elisa Baker’s father in Hickory until a falling out over money in the summer of 2009.

Adam, Elisa and Zahra moved into an apartment in Granite Falls in July 2009, and Zahra would spend most of the fourth grade at Granite Falls Elementary School.

In Granite Falls, the family lived on Congress Street in an apartment next door to apartment manager Shirley Mims and her husband Darrell.

<snipped>

But a few weeks after they moved in, she started hearing Adam and Elisa Baker a lot.

“They fought verbally and physically with each other. You could hear it through the walls,” Mims said. “They’d even take it out into the parking lot.”

The Bakers were fighting so much one time that it knocked the pictures off the wall the Mims shared with the Bakers, Mims said.

The fighting got so bad that Mims said she asked them to move out in early November 2009. In a day and a half, they were gone.

<snipped>

The family moved into the trailer park, but it’s not clear when.

In December 2009, the Bakers’ landlord at the trailer park served Adam Baker with an eviction notice saying that he owed $1,114 in back rent. The trailer rented for $115 a week, seeming to indicate that they had been living there and not paying for about two months, a time that would overlap with the time they were living at the apartment in Granite Falls.

But whenever they started living in the trailer park, Zahra returned to Hudson Elementary School in March 2010 to finish the fourth grade.

<snipped>

It was May 10 when Zahra and Elisa Baker went to Charlotte Motor Speedway to receive the hearing aids.

<snipped>

The Bakers moved from the trailer some time over the summer, and in either late August or early September, moved into a rented home on 21st Avenue, NW, off N.C. 127 in Viewmont.

Neighbors there said they never saw her.

At the trailer park, Bobbitt said she watched as the Bakers moved, but didn’t see Zahra.

Employees of a Hickory furniture store told police they saw Zahra and her stepmother on Sept. 25.

That’s the only report police have had from anyone who claims to have seen Zahra in Hickory since the move.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/9/punishment-was-her-routine-ar-500792/


Should Schools Have Raised Red Flag In Zahra Baker Case
Updated: 6:21 pm EDT October 14, 2010

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Channel 9 learned that Baker finished last school year in Caldwell County, but then she didn't show up for the first few days of school this year.

Channel 9 spoke with a school spokesperson, Libby Brown, on Thursday. She said a school counselor called Baker's parents and that Baker's parents said they moved to Hickory and were probably going to home-school Baker.

<snipped>

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25394665/detail.html


Police search in Burke County for remains of missing girl
Updated Wednesday, Oct 13 at 9:42 AM

<snipped>

"Outside the immediate family, we cannot confirm that anyone has seen Zahra in the last month,” Chief Adkins said.

That includes next-door neighbor Charles Bost, who says Zahra's father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, chatted with him in the yard once or twice and mentioned their dog.

But, he says, in the month and a half the Baker's lived here, they never mentioned a daughter.

"I didn't even know that she existed. I mean I've never seen her and I never heard him mention her or anything like that,” Bost said.

http://www.wcnc.com/home/Police-searching--104818544.html

I was wondering the same thing NoRose.  Unless they have a security camera that has Zahra there at that time, there's always the possibility they have the date wrong.

Could one of you smart monkeys tell me if they have recovered anything which could be tested for drugs.  I am starting to think that Zahra could have moved but been sedated most of the time to keep her from being a "bother".   Drugs and/or poison perhaps used dailey?   

EB saying she just found Zahra dead means less than nothing to me.  We did not believe anything she said before, so why would we now?  She's pure EVIL!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Chi-M   MOO



 

I don't want to be morbid, but with all the work the police are doing on Hickory in the house and yard, could there even be a possibility that when they moved that Zahra was dead, and whatever they did to that little child as far as her remains they did it there? I can't imagine that because of the odor, but something sure happened at that residence.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

THE TRAILER HOME

Punishment was her routine
November 01, 2010 - 8:34 PM

But whenever they started living in the trailer park, Zahra returned to Hudson Elementary School in March 2010 to finish the fourth grade.

In the trailer park, Bobbitt watched Zahra play with the other children, playing ball, playing in the dirt.

“She was the sweetest little thing you’d ever want to meet,” Bobbitt said. “She was full of life.”

Bobbitt’s husband would walk down the hill to give the children candy. Zahra would hug him.

But Bobbitt wouldn’t associate with the woman she knew as Lisa Baker because she didn’t like the way she treated Zahra. She saw her smack Zahra a couple of times. She saw Baker getting angry and in Zahra’s face because Zahra wasn’t running up that hill.

She thought about calling the Caldwell County Department of Social Services, but said others beat her to it, including officials at Hudson Elementary School.

When Zahra went to school with a black eye, school officials called DSS, said neighbor Bobby Green. He said he saw DSS workers in the trailer.

He said a concerned teacher provided Zahra with her home phone number and told her to call.

Neighbor Kayla Rotenberry said she saw Elisa Baker hit Zahra and noticed bruises on the girl’s face and body. She also said that Elisa Baker told her that Social Services was investigating.

“She was angry that people were getting into her business,” she said. “We all tried to stop her. That little girl was so sweet. Always smiling through it all. She just wanted to be loved.”

Neighbors said that Baker injured her hand when she was beating Zahra and hit the prosthetic leg. Baker told her husband she’d fallen and broken the hand, Bobbitt said.

Bobbitt said she saw DSS workers visit. “Lisa tried to tell them the chemotherapy was giving (Zahra) the black eyes,” Bobbitt said.

It was May 10 when Zahra and Elisa Baker went to Charlotte Motor Speedway to receive the hearing aids.

Two weeks later, on May 23, teenaged neighbors took out an arrest warrant on Elisa Baker in connection with an incident related to her making Zahra walk up that hill.

Corrine Yount, 15, lived in a trailer on another road at the base of the hill. Her trailer formed a T to the Bakers’ trailer: the road the Bakers lived on runs up the hill beside the trailer where Corrine lived and in front of the Bakers’ trailer.

Corrine and her friend, Brandy Hefner, 16, noticed Zahra crying as she walked up the hill.

“She was making Zahra walk up the hill by herself because that’s how she would punish her because she (Elisa) knew it would hurt Zahra’s leg,” Corrine said.

When the teenagers intervened, Corrine said Baker came out of her trailer and started screaming and threatening the girls.

“She said, ‘I’m going to teach these two teenagers a lesson and whip their butts,’” Corrine said.

She said Baker continued shouting threats until Brandy’s mother came out and asked what was going on and Baker left, according to the arrest warrant.

Corrine said it wasn’t the first time she’d called authorities about how Zahra was treated.

“You could hear Zahra screaming and Elisa yelling at her, so we would call the police,” Corrine said. “We called DSS on her too, but they never did anything.”

The incident with the teenaged girls came the day after Adam and Elisa Baker were arrested and charged with communicating threats against Elisa’s niece Brittany Bentley, her fiance Zackery Tyler and the couple’s 7-month-old daughter. The threats stemmed from an outstanding debt Bentley owed them, according to the arrest warrant.

“He (Adam Baker) chased me and my fiancee. He literally tried to run us off the road twice,” Tyler wrote in the complaint accompanying the warrant. “He got in the opposite lane, swerved at the driver’s side and we had to swerve to keep from getting hit, then he passed us and slammed his brakes. We had to slam our brakes and still almost hit him.”

The couple went home and gave Baker the money she was owed, but she demanded more, they said. She and Adam threatened the couple with Tasers, according to the arrest warrant.

“They said they would kill me and Brittany Bentley and that they knew where our daughter was and they would kill her if I didn’t pay her,” Tyler wrote.

Bentley said the couple claimed to have a gun in the car and drove to her mother’s home, where Bentley’s daughter was staying. Bentley’s complaint said she feared for her life and the life of her daughter and fiance.

The Bakers were charged with communicating threats in connection with the accusations. Adam Baker was also charged with assault with a deadly weapon in connection with the incident on the road.

After Zahra disappeared, Bentley went on CBS’ “The Early Show” and described what life was like for Zahra inside that trailer when she went to visit.

“She was locked in her room, allowed five minutes out a day to eat, that was it,” Bentley said. “She was beat almost every time I was over there for just, just the small things. If Lisa would get mad, she would take it out on Zahra, things the kid didn’t deserve. She had a horrible home life.”

The Bakers moved from the trailer some time over the summer, and in either late August or early September, moved into a rented home on 21st Avenue, NW, off N.C. 127 in Viewmont.

Neighbors there said they never saw her.

At the trailer park, Bobbitt said she watched as the Bakers moved, but didn’t see Zahra.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/01/9/punishment-was-her-routine-ar-500792/

At the trailer park, Bobbitt said she watched as the Bakers moved, but didn’t see Zahra.   ::MonkeyEek::  Now that I sure don't remember reading before, unless Zahra was in the car and she didn't see her. Wonder if Zahra said goodbye to the kids she played with at the trailer park?

I agree No Rose.

There must be a reason for such an intensive search at that home.  Maybe Elisa has revealed all.

Janet

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Zahra Baker Case: Bone Discovered, Sign of Girl?
Nov. 3, 2010

Investigators have discovered a bone that "may be related to" the case of missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker, police said today.

Police will send the bone to a medical examiner's office to determine its relation to the case. Its discovery marks the first possible physical remains of the disabled North Carolina girl found since she was reported missing on Oct. 9.

The bone was found after police reportedly searched an area near where the girl's prosthetic leg was uncovered last week.

The find comes a day after the disclosure of jailhouse letters, apparently written by Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, 42, in which she claims police know exactly where the girl is.

The letters maintain neither Elisa Baker nor her husband, Adam Baker, killed the disabled girl, but that Zahra's father did something "horrifying" after the girl was dead.

Police in Hickory, N.C., where Elisa Baker is being held on an obstruction of justice charge, said they had seen images of the letters but couldn't verify that she wrote them without looking at the originals.

Deputy Chief Clyde Deal told ABC News that the handwriting was "similar" to hers and the content matched some of what the woman has been telling police.

"I don't necessarily have any reason to doubt that Elisa Baker wrote the letters, but I can't say that she did write them either," Deal said.

The letters, obtained by ABC News, appear to shift any blame from Elisa Baker to her husband Adam Baker.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/zahra-baker-case-letters-suggest-adam-baker-involvement/story?id=12043321

The way the police ripped through the house and yard, I really am afraid to know what they were all looking for. I don't recall seeing such a thing to that extent before, at least I don't remember. I was just wondering this, and it sure doesn't have to do with the case really, but when the police do that to a home, does the owner get money to have it fixed again?

I agree, no Rose~~

Does anyone know if they had to fill out any kind of application for the rental after the mobile home?  Wonder if they said they had a child or did they only list themselves. Maybe they didn't have to but here the rental apps are pretty detailed.

If Zahra had been presented to most any Emergency Room (Private Hospitals are a little different), she would have received proper medical treatment regardless of ability to pay. It's the law and has been that way as long as I can remember. They can't use the excuse that they couldn't afford to take her. That dog won't hunt.

I don't think an illness caused her death anyway, but if they were negligent enough to let her die from an infection or virus, it's still a homicide.

I doubt they filled out an application.

Adam's "boss" owned the rental property.

Good Question, Mizjay!!   ::MonkeyDance::

I don't know the answer, but I'd like to know it!   ::MonkeyWink::

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

NRCG...the answer to your question is no. He will not get compensated unless he takes Adam and Elisa to court, and they don't have a pot to pee in so he is out of luck. He could sell their belongings ,but I didn't see anything in the one pic I saw of their furniture that would be worth more than $10.

Apparently the witch wasn't afraid to face the hospital/doctor collections dept if she had a broken hand which was attended to so....?  homicide.

Exactly.  ::CowboySmiley::

JMOO..but I think Zahra died from a beating.

I think we're all afraid of that, darla.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I just want it to come out so they can be held accountable. I'm braced for it, but it needs to come out and Zahra needs to be found so that she can be buried with some dignity and respect. Her Mother said that very well and those who loved her need that closure.

I believe your suspicion is a good possibility darla.

When Zahra took her last breath there must have been obvious signs of neglect or abuse or ... a call to 911 would have been the immediate response ... not a body disposal.

Janet

Now, IF Zahra had an illness of any kind with an immune system more vulnerable than most and probable clear evidence of abuse...that's a solid reason not to go get treatment by them. And IF she was sick, her father should be charged with negligence or whatever. He knew of her need for prompt care, she was not an ordinary kid with the flu...this whole angle is typical abuser lingo. It's the victims fault, we didn't know, we panicked, we loved her.....blah       Prayer for the searchers to find her and bring these people to face the charges.

Thank-you, I know it is probably not a good question to ask, but was so curious how things like that get dealt with.

I thought from the start she was beaten with her leg  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know if Zahra was ill or not, but you're right, Janet. Even prior to death, had there been physical signs of abuse, it might have prevented them from seeking medical attention. Medical staff would have called authorities for sure.

me to EB did hurt her hand on the prosthetic leg, prob POed her
a couple of more OR scenarios

OR
did zahra become sick again, and EB and AB let her die,and knew if they
called someone (911), the autopsy would show abuse and neglect, or she
just died from the abuse and neglect and panicked when the dss got involved,
and then her mother finding her,dss and mum happened about the same time i think
zahra could have died from infection too, she prob had a very low immune
system,from her cancer and lack of good diet,exercise, so raw flesh from a bad fitting prosthetic, could easily become infected, and turn into a serious blood
infection without med. att.

OR
did zahra find out her mother had found her, and she wanted to go back to au
and that POd AB and EB,in that their funds would be cut off, or AB out of spite
killed zahra, EB helping cover, or vice versa

EB said AB did something horrific to zahra after she died
im rethinking those pics of zahra room, in the first link,the 1st pic
the LE left the blinds, so were they new blinds put up after the fact

in the 1st link 2nd pic, the light switch cover is gone,and looks like it
had never been put back on,and the door knob looks like it has paint on the
base fitting,i cant tell if its tape that had not been removed,or if they
just painted over the base

i think this is a new crappy paint job,
2nd link,the 1st pic,the closet base board was white at one time
and a clean freshly painted white too, owner prob did,b4 they moved in
2nd link 5th pic,base board is in some parts, natural or stained wood
is that a hand print in the closet, 2nd link 4th pic, see jpeg
do any of you see any of the clothes worn by zahra from pics of her we
have seen, in that closet, i think i see 2 a red shirt and a black shirt

1st link
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/11/a-look-inside-zahra-baker%e2%80%99s-home/

2nd link, click on pic bigger and slide show
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13453571
 

It does look like a handprint. If it is, I wonder who it belongs to.....

EXCELLENT catch!!!!!!

a map to go with
janets posts
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8837.msg1258018#msg1258018
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8837.msg1258025#msg1258025
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8837.msg1258032#msg1258032

Thanks cw.  It sure looks like an adult handprint, could be whoever painted for whatever reason rested his/her hand on the wall, when you look at some of the painting of the baseboards it certainly was no professional painter, or anyone who has painted before imo.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8837.msg1258084#msg1258084

my apologies, to the person that made the map, i had your link for credit
then lost it, sorry, i googled it from google images, INSIDE zahra bakers house

brandi beautiful, i like to think she rode the unicorn, to her star, once she was
in the hands of God, im sure heavens angels rejoice and cherish her sweet soul

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/hickory-nc/TDPIKOKODJRSG8LQU/p117
so sad

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I think that it's possible either EB or AB may have hit the little girl too hard at some point and accidentally killed her, or perhaps it was on purpose. Either way, they both have tried to cover the truth up so in my opinion, both are guilty. I heard that the bone that was found looked like it had been exposed to the elements and the animals for some time, it looked "white-washed"(don't know if this is true or not but heard it from someone who lives around there and supposedly saw the bone). Do you think she has possibly been dead over a month and animals have scattered the remains? I can't get that poor child out of my mind. Both her father and step-monster deserve the death penalty if they killed that sweet, innocent child.

I don't think it will ever come out if she was beaten.  I think with whatever they did to her after the fact as it was put by stepmonster...... authorities will not be able to tell and they will never really tell the truth.  JMOO

I like to think that, too, cw! 

This is beautiful, Brandi!

i think prints could be gathered from it,wonder why LE didnt cut it out and take it

i have a friend that works at BASF, im going to contact him
and see if he thinks the chems in the paints would destroy the
blood evidence if any was found in the drain pipes or at least
if the chems would muck it up

BASF
http://www.basf.com/group/products-and-industries/index

Good morning everyone.

There has been a heated discussion going on on a FB site regarding whether AB forged Zahra's passport application to bring her to the USA and Zahra's mother posted this response last night:

Emily Dietrich
everyone may have their opinion, but truth is, yes Adam got Zahra out of the country via a legal "loophole" (being my maiden name), and yes my hope of finding her alive is limited. The fact is, she is gone, one way or another and we need to find the truth as to what has happened to her.
Please stop fighting between yourselves, and instead help piece together the truth of what happened to this beautiful little angel.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#topic_top

What is the blue and white toy in the bottom of her closet?  The thing with the doll head on it?  Anyone recognize it?

i wonder what charges AB could be charged with, in AU for taking zahra out of country illegally

this url didn't work for me....

Sorry Bananas, try this one, it takes you to the FB page, then go to discussions and it is on the Mother thread on the 4th page.

 http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home/153249161379237 (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home/153249161379237)

Hope this one works.

That facebook doesn't work for me either. Please post the link again or tell us the name of the facebook you are looking at.  Is it one of the Zahra ones or AY?  Link please.

Nightowl - thanks, that one works.  You can always say on the Zahra Clare Baker - Bring Her Home and we could find it from there.  Thanks!

EEEEEEEK I have just clicked on those links and it takes me to my FB page could a mod delete for me please!!!

Hi Anna,

Zahra is in Hickory, NC, not Florida, I don't know if NC has sunshine laws like Fla. does.
BTW, I hope they both get death...

That is what I believe too.

Thanks Klaas will do in future.

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There are currently 159 offenders on Death Row in NC

http://www.doc.state.nc.us/dop/deathpenalty/deathrow.htm

I see where the mom is posting in the discussion area of the Zahra Clare Baker - Bring Her Home FB:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home/153249161379237#topic_top (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home/153249161379237#topic_top)

I had to stare at it for awhile but if you look closely there are portholes with three little faces in them, so some type of doll boat, it doesn't appear to be a Barbi product at all, I've seen enough Barbi stuff over the years   ::MonkeyHaHa:: and I also see a jewelry box.

my kid tells me it is polly pockets cruise ship
http://images.bizrate.com/resize?sq=400&uid=903161875

http://tinyurl.com/28wzelm

Well I got the boat right, and I should have known it was a polly pocket toy, thanks.

she said we bought her one when she was six,now 14
i swear IDR buying it

Zahra would have had several bone scans, CT scans and her paper medical records would be a foot high.
The fact that her medical records are in AU and not in the USA says that she never saw a cancer specialist on this continent.
Karen Baker soundes as if she was so determined to keep Emily away from Zahra, she didn't do the right thing for Zahra. She could have prevented Zahra leaving and she could have done something after they left. But she would have had to contact Emily. 

so ma baker is as guilty as AB, for taking zahra out of country, maybe that is why
ma baker came here, trying to out run the au law

Zahra's lung cancer was not "cured" it was in remission. She should have had regular work ups with a pediatric oncologist. As for her immune system..within a month of finishing chemo I was off restrictions so her immune system should not have been compromised after this length of time.

what is this, a pic?

I hear you, mine are in their twenties but I remember the Polly Pockets well. What I was wondering, who bought her that boat? Kind of expensive when your income isn't the greatest, unless a relative bought it for her. Zahra didn't appear to have many toys, unless some of them were in another room or taken by the police to examine.

Emily Dietrich ... Zahra Baker's Mom ... acknowledges that her daughter was deceased when she located her three days prior to the 911 missing person's report.  The implication is that Zahra's demise was not a result of her Mom tracking her to the US.

Somehow I believe that Zahra died as a result of abuse and/or neglect.  It was a death that dictated a body disposal ... not a 911 call.  IMO

Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Zahra`s Biological Mother Speaks From Australia
Aired November 5, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

EMILY DIETRICH, ZAHRA`S MOTHER: You have no idea how it feels. It`s enough that it`s numb. I always had the hope one day that she`d come to find me, and it`s gone. I never got to tell her I was proud of her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you did find her three days before she was reported missing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIETRICH: Unless you understand the story, you don`t understand the pain. I never gave my baby up. And I`m so angry she was taken away from me like this!

The prosthesis was the hardest. I want them to find more so we can put her (INAUDIBLE) we can later rest with dignity that she deserves. Finally (INAUDIBLE) her love and respect!

She was already gone when I found her. She found (ph) me to tell her story and to find her and put her to rest! She fought hard for life. It was his responsibility to take care of her. I gave birth to her. I will always love her, always in my heart!

I do pray to God that she had enough of me in her to never do that, to call that woman her mother.

I never got to say good-bye! I barely got to say hello!

(END VIDEO CLIP)


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/05/ng.01.html

It is ok.... the first link you posted takes me to my home page and will take anyone to their own home page... not to yours.  the second link you posted does work for me.  Thanks Nightowl.

ohhhhhh a boat.  I thought that thing on the right was a jewelry box that matched it but I see now it is just the reflection of the boat in a mirror on the closet door.  Thanks monkeys.  Surely she had more toys than this.

klaas link works well, thier are some coffey names there too

klaas link
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zahra-Clare-Baker-Bring-Her-Home/153249161379237#topic_top

Polly Pocket Cruise Ship Playset:
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Darla~

The problem is going to be IF Zahra has been outside and exposed to the animals and the elements, there isn't going to be too much of the bodies soft-tissues which can be used to determine the cause of death.

If Zahra struck violently and it caused a trauma, such as a skull fracture, and the skull is retrieved, then they may be able to determine the cause of death as blunt force trauma.

Time is working in the Baker's favor as decomposition, exposure to the elements, animals is going on around the clock.

The cover-up screams GUILT!

BUT~
IF Zahra DID die from some illness, staging a cover-up, moving the body, and leaving it exposed to the elements, animals and decomposition work against their claims of death by illness.

Can one of you guys post the links to Zahra's bedroom? 

Or photos's of the house?

Thank you!!
MK

.... or could it be that Kahra's possessions were disposed of prior to moving into the Hickory home ... the Hickory home where she had never reside?.

Could it be that an anticipated visit from DSS implied a setup was quickly organized ... a setup that would indicate a little girl lived there?  Could a recent paint job be all about further this illusion?

Could the anticipated visit from DSS ... which would create questions regarding the whereabouts of Zahra ... be the reason for the 911 missing persons report?

Just the speculations of a wannabe detective on a rainy Saturday afternoon in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia.

I am off!

Later, Janet

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NANCY GRACE
Search Uncovers Bone That May Be Zahra`s
Aired November 3, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Ellie Jostad. There are other letters, are there not? And what do they reveal?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes. That`s right, Nancy. Actually we spoke to somebody who got a letter from Elisa Baker. However, that woman says that Elisa claimed that Adam Baker was not involved.

But what`s more, she said that this was all her daughter`s, meaning Elisa Baker`s daughter`s fault. She said if the daughter had never called DFS on her, none of this would have ever happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/03/ng.01.html




 

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Where are the toys a girl her age would care about?

Just how many scenarios can SM come up with and why not just stick to one. She is so evil that I hope she never sees freedom (or halloween) again. ::MonkeyMad::

nut i like that, to the point thinking you do
bad thing is by the time the trial ends and sentence starts, for these 2
they will be 200+ prob, for the DR, oh well as long as it gets done

how ever many her dam sick brain thinks it needs to make
what a F...ing mess

You are right, 4 Donks, that she was in remission.  My MIL has lung cancer.  Her doctor told her it was treatable not curable.  She has lived with it for almost 5 years. 

She should definitely have had regular work ups.  These monsters were 360 degrees negligent!

hey one of my old gold stomping grounds, hope and the F river, BIG FUN
found a little, panning and MDing, should have saved it for todays $$
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sorry for the O/T
 blew it up,still dont know what it is

I tend to agree with your thought on maybe she never did actually live there but....IF that  room was painted only for show, I don't know if they'd bother to go the extra step of the sponging too. Maybe the previous tenants had a girl and the room was like that when they moved in? That extra sponge coat in pretty labor intensive for nothing. Someone mentioned they thought it could be luminol or something but it seems too 'all over' to me?

Not only that but her prosthesis fit should have been checked every 4 mos. Tolerance  explained about the sox that they wear over their stump and how they must be fitted, are expensive and they wear out. They didn't have those for her either I bet.

No, I think you are right about the sponging.  Wonder if they did it?  Sure was a messy job.  Just spilled down the baseboards in the closet and not even covering all the wooden stained baseboard in the room itself.  I have not seen any toys that look like something a girl of 10 would be very interested in really.

You are so right, NR (and you look pretty fancy saying it, I might add).

ITA..... so far all I see is grandma is staying with stepmonster's family and protecting her baby boy.  Geesh!   So where are the answers?  Who is getting to the bottom of this?  ::MonkeyQuestion::

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Adam-Baker-empties-family-home-as-investigation-goes-into-week-four-106828114.html

I guess she can help him figure out where to put all of his junk.  I hope and pray that soon he won't have to concern himself with his  belongings cause he'll be in jail

Thanks for sharing Mizjay.  I guess now they can set up house somewhere.  Wonder if mom is going to try and take baby home back to AU?

I meant .... wonder if mum is going to try and take baby boy back to AU.  Sorry.

Is AB still working for the tree service and where did he get the pick up he's driving ? I imagine KB is paying for the Uhaul.

OT
4donks where did you get the Obama counter?  I love it!

Child abduction would be the first I would think, then issues like contempt of court orders and so on.  Resulting in immediate arrest without warrant if he ever returned to Australia, culminating in a hefty fine or jail sentence.

By the look of the "furniture" and other personal effects in some of the photos I have seen my suggestion would be to put them through the woodchipper.  May be of some use as mulch or filling.

I thought I read that he used her maiden name, not her current name and the AU gov't passport peeps couldn't find her under that name. So, he got one over on the AU passprot peeps. Probably had to file some bs notarized statment to the effect that he had no idea where the Mum was, hadn't been in her life, blah blah and then, you need a guarantor just like here.
And, he isn't going anywhere, except jail. 

Hi Kat - hope all is going well with you now.

Yes I saw the maiden name comment from Zahra's mother and I am sure if any signature was also required that the Step Witch would use her forgery skills.

Adding that Passport Officials, Border Security and Immigration peeps do not take kindly to having something "put over" them.

They would have a welcoming delegation waiting to greet him.   ::MonkeyGavel::


I so hope to read one day soon that he has been arrested again.  I want to know he has been nailed to the jail cell wall and all keys lost.

Brandi made it  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Things are ok, getting thu this, still having monitoring done, and they are not finding anything to get too wigged out about, soon I hope they will say, bye, see you in six months, then every year.

Has anyone heard what AB's immigration status is. Did he come as a visitor and never leave or a work visa. I don't believe he is a resident alien. It takes several years for the paperwork to go through even if married to an American.

Video Adam Baker empties family home as investigation goes into week four

http://www.wcnc.com/video?id=106828114&sec=552327

They have charges against them for not returning rental furniture.  I am betting the current furniture is also rental.

Monkey King thank you for your response. Whether or not she died from illness or a beating it is still murder in my book. I am well aware that cause of death may not be determined. But thanks so much for explaining it.

Missing girl's mother said to blame Zahra's father

Hickory, North Carolina (CNN) -- The stepmother of a missing 10-year-old girl in North Carolina said during a jailhouse visit with two relatives this week that she blames a lot of her current predicament on her husband, one of those relatives said Friday.

The relative, one of two cousins who visited Monday with Elisa Baker in jail, said she was speaking publicly after a few family members met and "decided that we needed to share a few things that we do know."

Elisa Baker's stepdaughter, Zahra Baker, was reported missing last month.

"As we talked with her, she cried over missing Zahra and how her husband has left her to take all the blame for what has happened when he played a big part in this terrible situation," the cousin said in an exclusive interview with HLN's "Nancy Grace" producer Natisha Lance. The cousin spoke on condition of anonymity because of death threats the family has received.

Later, the cousin said Elisa Baker believed it was unfair that she was jailed "for something that he had done," referring to husband Adam Troy Baker, Zahra's father.

The cousin said she hoped that Zahra's body will be found soon, "since she is believed to be deceased and that all of the truth will come out."

The cousin said she and her sister visited Elisa in jail on Monday after more than two years during which they had not spoken.

The woman added that she had received three letters from Elisa, "and in each one of them she made it very clear how much she cared about Zahra and that she don't understand the man that she loves can be this, can do her this way."

The woman said she did not know what happened to the freckle-faced girl who lost her leg to bone cancer at age 5 and reportedly developed lung cancer a few years later.

Police launched a search for Zahra on October 9, but no one other than a family member had reported seeing her since September 25, when a woman saw her at a furniture store.

Police on Monday confirmed that a prosthetic leg discovered last week in brush off a North Carolina road belongs to Zahra Baker, whose disappearance is now being probed as a homicide.

Police said Elisa Baker admitted that she planted a fake ransom note the day after the girl's disappearance was reported.

Initially arrested on October 10 on charges unrelated to Zahra's disappearance, including writing worthless checks, Elisa Baker was additionally charged with obstruction of justice for leaving the note. That charge is a felony.

She is now cooperating with investigators, Hickory police have said.

Zahra's father was arrested late last month in nearby Catawba County on eight charges, including five counts of submitting worthless checks and three counts of failing to appear in court.

Police earlier acknowledged that Adam Baker faced bad-check charges unrelated to the disappearance of his daughter. But they did not initially arrest him, as he had been helping authorities in their search.

"Adam Baker has a lot of the answers," Elisa Baker's cousin said Friday. "What we do know about him is that he doesn't believe in God. He is very into paganism. He's ridin' around with a sign on his window that says Zahra was abused by her stepmother. If this is true, then why didn't he, the biological father, put a stop to it and protect his little girl?

"Why didn't he beg the public for someone to bring his daughter home? Why has he not personally searched for Zahra? How could a loving father begin his 911 call with, 'Hello, how are you doing?' He needs to answer these questions."

Adam Baker's attorney has not returned repeated phone calls from CNN requesting comment on the investigation.

During their discussion, the woman said her cousin told her that Zahra's cancer had been in remission, but that she was sick for the two weeks "before whatever's happened happened ... she did not completely come out and tell me what has actually happened."

The woman said that Elisa Baker "cared for that little girl deeply" and had taken a polygraph.

Scott Riley, Elisa Baker's attorney, declined to comment Friday when asked about the polygraph.

Asked why none of Elisa Baker's relatives had bailed her out of jail, the woman said, "I guess probably they're waiting for evidence or to find out what has really happened."

Asked if the family is divided about what may have happened, she said, "A little bit right now, yes."

Asked what she thinks happened to the girl, the woman said, "I absolutely have no clue. All of it is just so confusing and, until we get the facts, I'm not going to know what to think."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/06/north.carolina.missing.girl/index.html?utm_campaign=faabo_cnn&utm_medium=Twitter&eref=rss_latest&utm_source=SNSanalytics

NP, Darla.

I just have no patience for these two.

I find it very difficult to believe EB pulled this off by herself, and AB is innocent.

Like you said, weither this child died from failure to receive proper medical care, or from a beating or some other horrific cause, Zahra is not here and is allegedly dead somewhere based on these two's actions, or failure of.

They are both POS and are a waste of skin.

OT---Just thought I'd let ya'll know that the newest Amber DuBois story is on CBS 48Hours.  It came on at 9pm central time.  I think this is the one where they speak on camera to Satan's spawn!  DP for him too!  

Edited to add:  It will be on at 10pm on CBS pacific time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1226872#msg1226872

Her lawyer probably told her to write those letters to balance out those letters she wrote to that dude "Damien". 

Her family has already spoken out- remember her daughter Ashley (?), and her nephew's wife, Brittany Bentley?

I'm still wondering what AB did that was so horrible after he death....

I wonder what EB considered "horrible".

We believe there was bloodshed in that house due to what the police confiscated out of that house- Zahra's room. 

Do any of you guys know how to pull up cached pages of like that website they met on?  I'm curious to see what AB put down as religion.  I understand they are alleging paganisim, but wehat did he follow?

Perhaps if we understood what that was, we'd have an idea of "what" the "horrible" thing is?

Sorry OT.... Brandi, I looked for it but didn't see it.  Am I missing something?  I think I am lost......

Popping in to check the thread. I take it she has not been found yet? That makes me so sad...
This case is heartbreaking.

Sorry also for the O/T: left you a post here, Bananas: http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1258230#msg1258230

Baker empties house into U-Haul
Christie Road search concludes

HICKORY --
Adam Baker was spotted along with his mother, brother and assorted friends and family as they loaded the Bakers’ possessions into a U-Haul truck Saturday afternoon.

About 10 people gathered in front of the home as furniture and other possessions were carried out of the house at 21 21st Ave. to the truck.

Baker was served an eviction notice Tuesday and ordered to leave the home where, on Oct. 9, he had called 911 to report his daughter, Zahra Baker, missing.

Three days later, Hickory police cancelled an Amber Alert put out for her and said the case was being investigated as a homicide.

Jennifer McAlpine, 36, of North Wilkesboro said she and her two daughters made the 45-minute drive Saturday to leave a teddy bear at the shrine for Zahra in the front yard.

She arrived at about 2 p.m. and said she was stunned to spot Adam Baker in the yard, and when he saw her he went into the house where he stayed.

“I just told my girls not to say anything,” McAlpine said. “We’re not here for that.”

As word got out that the Bakers were at the house, local people began to gather, and the tension built as they took pictures with their cell phones.

Eventually Baker’s mother came out of the house to ask the people to leave her family alone.

“She said, ‘Please stop taking the pictures. You don’t know what’s going on and you shouldn’t judge until you have all the facts,’” McAlpine said.

One woman asked why Baker was helping a “murderer” and the two got into a shouting match before Baker got into a station wagon loaded with Zahra’s toys and was driven away, McAlpine said.

Baker got into another car and followed his mother. Then the U-Haul drove away behind them.

McAlpine began to cry as she explained that she had driven from North Wilkesboro because her heart goes out to 10-year-old Zahra.

“There’s no one who should have to go through that,” she said. “We just want them to tell what they did if they did anything to Zahra.”

The other onlookers agreed.

“We just want to know the truth,” said Paula Shannon of Greenville who was in Hickory to visit friends when she decided to have a look at the Baker house.

Investigators are continuing to investigate Zahra’s disappearance and presumed murder, but no searches were conducted Saturday, said Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins.

Investigators spent much of the week combing through wooded areas along Christie Road in Caldwell County. They found Zahra’s prosthetic leg in the area on Oct. 26. Wednesday, investigators found a bone that may be related to the case.

The bone has been sent to the SBI lab for DNA testing and the North Carolina Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for further tests.

Thursday, Capt. Thurman Whisnant said investigators would continue their search of the area “Until we are absolutely certain we have searched every inch of the property.”

That certainty came Friday night and the road was opened because investigators have completed their search of the area, Adkins said.

http://www2.hickoryrecord.com/news/2010/nov/07/baker-empties-house-u-haul-ar-517169/

Ma Baker is sounding more like Spindy every day.  "you don't know the thruth", "wait till the truth comes out" tc.  What is the friggin truth and WHERE IS ZAHRA?  Glad Ma Baker did not have a garden hose and I am betting Youngen Dale has a scert to how to keep his socks white.

Sorry about the last post.  My "e" key is sticking  ::MonkeyHaHa::

some images of the Uhaul move today.  Credit to PunKnLuV.

http://s250.photobucket.com/albums/gg257/PunKnLuV/Zahra%20-%2021st%20Ave%20NW/Zahra11-06-2010/

Adam Baker empties family home as investigation goes into week four (video)

HICKORY, N.C.-- Zahra Baker’s father cleared possessions out of his Hickory home Saturday, according to neighbors, and police said he had an agreement to be out of the home at the beginning of the month.

Neighbor Charles Bost said he watched Adam Baker load things into a truck, but didn’t say ‘hello’ like he used to.  “I didn't go over and talk to him. I didn't want to talk to him,” said Bost, “I might have said something.”  Bost said he never even knew a young girl lived in the home, because he never saw her.

Bost has seen investigators come and go out of the house for four weeks, since Zahra Baker’s parents reported her missing.  He watched crews dig up the yard.  He’s glad they didn’t find anything buried there.  “I hope it’s somewhere else,” he said.

Investigators are tight-lipped about what they have found in the home, and at another site near where Zahra’s stepmother, Elisa Baker, used to live in Caldwell County.  They confirmed Monday that a prosthetic leg found at the site belonged to the missing girl; they have sent a bone found there to the Medical Examiner’s office in Chapel Hill to determine if it is hers as well.

At the house, a memorial at a tree in the front yard continues to grow, as people come by to pay their respects.  The pile of stuffed bears spreads out nearly five feet in every direction in front of the tree.

Ed and Cathy Cutshall stopped by Saturday to pay their respects.  “I really wish they’d find her, but I don't think they’ll find her alive,” said Ed.

Cathy said they know the stresses of caring for a disabled child.  Their son is 27 years old and has a form of muscular dystrophy that leaves him unable to walk and talk, but they couldn’t imagine life without him.  They also can’t imagine anyone could hurt a disabled child.

“If they couldn't  deal with her problem -- fighting cancer – there’s always people who would take her in,” said Ed.

Charles Bost looks at the bedroom window that faces his house, and wonders if the little girl ever even lived there… or if he could have done anything to help her.

“That's what's killing us -- to think that maybe..” his voice trails off.  “We'd both cried over it,” he said. “Sad, sad.”

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Adam-Baker-empties-family-home-as-investigation-goes-into-week-four-106828114.html

Did anyone note the size of the uHaul truck? What is he moving? The rest of the ceiling?  Inflatable furniture?

I think once the reality of jail time kicks in for DarkHeart, she'll start singing.  She doesn't seem to grasp the gravity of her situation. IF Zahra was sick and in bed, she wouldn't have been wearing her leg. I wonder who's prints are on it? I wonder what the "horrible" thing AB did to Zahra after/at death?
 ITARYL: You had said it a while back- about them driving around and tossing the leg and leaving the body elsewhere- what if AB dismembered Zahra and left pieces of her in various places? This could be why they haven't found anything else so far at this site. Aside from the woodchipper and the dogs,
the only other thing I can come up with is if he drank Zahra"s blood or ate her heart. Sorry for being so gruesome.  I know EB likes the sound of her own voice, but it's possible she's telling a half truth. How would Zahra's death affect his residency status? 

That is a huge U-Haul for what looked like a little bit of furniture in that small house.  Wonder where AB plans to take his stuff?  Apartment?  Storage?

I'm hoping this is the day Zahra will be found. 

OK, that was just disgusting.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yikes!

At a complete loss for words!  ::MonkeyEek::

posted on:  Zahra Clare Baker - Bring Her Home


Emily Dietrich

to clear this up...
<sara lee> And I guess this loophole you speak of is just another hole in your story my guess is that you are living with 2 different identities and did not up date you name with child support so Adam never knew about your name change as he would recieve letters a statements from them

I changed my child support details the week I was married, and my new name would come up on every child support statement he received. By applying via my maiden name the passport agency "was not able to find me" which is loophole I plan to have fixed so other families do not have to deal with this situation.

as stated, unless you have facts, instead of internet speculation, please do not assume you "know all" about this situation....

I have not in anyway degraded the Baker family, only stated the facts I have, and lived. If the truth has not been told to AB's mother by AB, that is not my responsibility, nor are other untruths that have been assumed by other who are not connected to the situation.

Thankyou to those who have stayed to the facts and showed support according to fact, rather than speculation.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#topic_top

Drank Zahra's blood and ate her heart? This is not a Stephen King novel  ::MonkeyShocked::

From the article above :
"Adam Baker has a lot of the answers," Elisa Baker's cousin said Friday. "What we do know about him is that he doesn't believe in God. He is very into paganism.

My fear is that Stephen King may be mild compared to what may come out.

I understand but many people don't believe in God and they aren't out eating hearts and drinking blood. And IMO Elisa and Adam are more BS talking then actually doing these kind of horrific things.

Thanks CBB, I would sure hate for family to read that.

I totally agree with you.  Just saying that the outcome may be very shocking regardless of what happened as we know Zahra has gone to be at the knee of God already and not one of the people who was to look after her has the decency to tell anyone where to find her.   

I have no doubt that whatever happened to her is going to be bad and unspeakable.

You're welcome. It's not a reprimand, NR, just a reminder to everyone we should always keep the family in the back of our minds.  ::MonkeyWink::

AMEN CBB.  I don't post much in this thread but do read everyday and I agree.

It is ominous, and I agree, the fact that they aren't telling the events sure takes innocence off the table, IMO.

this is disgusting.....and completely unnecessary IMO.....WHY??????

WSOCTV said they would show AB & EB's bedroom on Friday.  Has anyone seen that video?  I can not find it

I seen it on the news Friday at 6pm and also seen as pic, but have been unable to find it on the website. It looked like a bunch of junk to me. Nothing of any value.

Zahra's mom is truly an amazing lady.  The Bakers on the other hand seemed to have forgotten about Zahra (if they ever cared) and are only concerned with themselves.

No and I'm afraid to see the bedroom.

Just curious why they needed such a big Uhaul if most of the furniture presumably was in one bedroom.  With their money issues also thinking it was rental furniture.

I wonder if they took Zahra's belongings or just abandoned them. ::MonkeyNoNo::

What they did show, was mostly all black. Looked like a room full of junk to me. If I run across it I will post it. They said very little about Zahra yesterday and last night. I know they didn't search yesterday and opened the rd back up to traffic.

The one article said that after Ma Baker got in a shouting match with a bystander she got into a station wagon full of Zahra's toys.  I personally doubt that there were enough toys to fill a station wagon.  By reading the FB groups and people saying that since the first time they only took one suitcase and left Zahra's clothes and toys as seen in the pictures, that Emily should get them sent to her I wonder if Ma Baker went back to get everything to make sure Emily would not get any of Zahra's  belongings now that Emily has done the interview.

They said the road was closed because it was a crime scene. If the road is open again it is no longer a crime scene and they are done?

I looked for it last night and couldn't find it.  Wonder if her attorney squashed it?

I believe that AB's theme song is " I want a girl just like the girl that married dear old dad" I think that Ma Baker and SM are cut from the same cloth. IMO

Darn! If it was ever available, I missed it!

Northern on the 11 pm newscast last night all they said about Zahra was that there was no search yesterday and the road was opened back up for traffic. More evidence was found Friday but reporters were told it was not bones, but would be tested. I have no link for this, just watched it on tv last night.

They showed it on the 6pm newscast Friday night. I am trying to find it. But no luck.

darla? Do you know if the house is cordoned off with crime scene tape? I was wondering if they've just narrowed the crime scene.

No there was no crime scene tape around the home since mid week.

Ok Nosey me called the newsroom again......He said it would probably be tomorrow before the video would be posted if it is not up on the website. He said that they would probably run it again tonight on 6pm and 11pm newscast. I am not sure but you may be able to watch the newscast on line. www.wsoctv.com. I am off for a while, have a great Sunday afternoon.

If AB is "very into Paganism", it is his own , skewed version. I can find(so far) no references in any of the searches I have done to the kind of behavior mentioned in previous posts.  One of the basic things I have seen in the majority of definitions is the theme "Harm None" .

Basics of Wicca and Paganism
http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/wiccaandpaganismbasics/Basic_Beliefs_and_Concepts_of_Wicca_and_Paganism.htm


Paganism
From Wikipedia

Paganism (from Latin paganus, meaning "country dweller", "rustic"[1]) is a blanket term, typically used to refer to polytheistic religious traditions, although from a Christian perspective, the term can encompass all non–Abrahamic religions.[2][3]

It is primarily used in a historical context, referring to Greco-Roman polytheism as well as the polytheistic traditions of Europe before Christianization. In a wider sense, extended to contemporary religions, it includes most of the Eastern religions, and the indigenous traditions of the Americas, Central Asia, Australia and Africa, as well as non-Abrahamic folk religion in general. More narrow definitions will not include any of the world religions and restrict the term to local or rural currents not organized as civil religions. Characteristic of pagan traditions is the absence of proselytism and the presence of a living mythology, which explains religious practice.

More at...   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

These are only 2 of  about 3,230,000 for paganism in a google search!

THANK YOU!!!

thanks so much Darla......

Thank-you. I'm sure the bedroom looks like a little shop of horrors.  Have a good day  ::MonkeyCool::

I wonder if any of the on-lookers thought to follow the Bakers to see where they're staying.
I know I'd have done that. I seriously don't want them to have 1 nano-second of peace for the rest of their miserable lives.
I hope they lock Adam up soon, now that he's had to do some work and move the family's disgusting belongings.
His mother is worse than Cindy Anthony.

and then I got within the same box>.giving up on that post..


what I found really sad when viewing pictures of Zahra's bedroom is that it looked like a little girl tried to decorate her own room with whatever minimal things that she had...such as the posters on the wall that she stuck up..Certainly no adult  put a lot of time or effort into making sure that she had a wonderful girlie bedroom that she deserved..jmo...

U hauls aren't cheap and you would think you would get a size smaller for the junk they own, but maybe that was the only size they had.

Thank you. 

Here is a thought.  How much evidence will be flyinf to Aussie when Ma Baker and Youngen Dale fly back?  If they are truely only staying for 3 weeks they are leaving really soon.

In the letters to relatives, why does step mother dance around with what happened to Zahra?  She seems to say alot of stuff about herself, but uses words like "horrific" instead of just coming out and saying what went on. I just don't get it.

I wondered if Zahra did her own painting as well.  Then I saw the black paint all over the back of the toilet tank and it looks to be just someone in a hurry who goes not give a carp.  By the paint cans in the kitchen and the one outside on the bakers rack looks like all the painting was very  recent.

I would hope that customs here and Au are going to do a thorough baggage check on these people.

I hope they get a full strip search

They probably would just mail it to their address in Au and avoid customs altogether. ::MonkeyMad::

Just curious has anyone seen a picture or heard anything from or about Pa Baker. Probably Rosebud ll .

Not seen even a whisper about Pa Baker. 

Guess Ma wears the pants in that family.

I am still mystified why her family is giving him shelter. Can't they see that he could have saved his daughter ? He wasn't locked up in a room. He could have just walked away with Zahra.
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On another site they were talking about the guy from England and the money she received from him, the poster thought it had something to do with her credits on imvu. I looked at the imvu site and I really don't get how that one works. You gets credits thru the site and if you design clothes and accessories for avatars, you get credits that have monetary value when other members buy them. They did say how much real money changes hands thru that site and it was astounding. I guess if you can do that all day long and have a talent for it, it can be a good thing. They thought he had purchased her credits. I can't remember Adam's on line name, hers was Goth Fairy. Neither one of their avatars resembled themselves at all.  A person would have to be a member to figure any of that stuff out.

BBM
He might have something to hold over the family members re drug dealing or purchasing that could get one of them in trouble.

I think this is coming down to a he said-she said, he did-she did situation at least within the family dialog.

This guy tried to run people off the road with his vehicle. 

There's something wrong there.

He also kept his daughter from her mother by moving around.

This is not a nice guy.

BBM
I agree, although I would say that is a huge understatement!