Lively Case Discussion #675 8/8 - 8/10/2007

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sharon,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leet

Thanks!

I am afraid I am being hacked -- just don't have the time right now to deal with it.

I just sent you an email with what my profile looked like. I sent it to klaas too. I pasted it as text -- but I can paste the table, too.

I know eveyone here thinks I'm drinking or smoking or frying brain cells somehow 
Honest -- it said 'leetl. 

Well, one of the definitions stated replacing numbers for letters....I believed you before I read the dictionary....will check email. 

Self Edit - had that a$$ backwards.

[sharon]

Sharon,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=leet

Thanks 2NJ

well -- my analytical mind is focusing on this from your link. I've not pasted the post for obvioius reason is you've read it  but I'm highlighting the interesting part - as 1337 was the post number when it said 'leet'

_________________________________________

leet  597 up, 392 down 
 
therefore, I try to make myself feel better by communicating through leet...or 1337...I'm shpeshial.


_____________________________________


dugga???

 

[klaasend]

hey klaas..can you check what I just posted in the mip6 thread and tell me if thats ok..if not..you better delete it

That's fine.  Christian is not a child.

[Hotshot]

OK, have to go to work now.  See you Monkeys tonight.  Sunfreak, write to me, let me know how your doing.

[Easywriter]

Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

Contact Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot

http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html

Easy, correct me if I'm wrong, but does that NOT say he became a lawyer in 2006?   Was he a Judge before he was a Lawyer?   I will ask NO MORE!!!!

He was admitted into the Aruba Bar Association in 2006, but I also find that curious.  Somehow he worked in prosecution and then as a judge, but only joined the Bar after going private.  Not sure what it means.

At one time being a member of the Bar was not required in the U.S. but almost all states now require it, so who knows.

[klaasend]

     

     Can somebody please tell me why we have to put up with Ramm?

Auntiem - this was Red's response to Frank when he was asking basically the same thing:

Red wrote:

Frank, do you honestly think I do not know what goes on? Do you think I am that naive? Think of me as "The Shadow" ... the Shadow knows. What goes on SM is my business. What goes on in other sites is theirs and people can see the drastic difference. Do not confuse SM with others that do not support a boycott. The boycott is a sign o solidarity for the family and answers to a missing girl and Justice for Natalee.

Anyone and I mean anyone who cannot see that is blind and misguided.

Do not ever confuse SM with other sites. Just because I do not call out others does not mean I agree with what they do. It just means its their site.

Frank, you sometimes have to understand two very valuable lessons.
1. Kill em with kindness.
2. Keep your friends close and you enemies closer.

Now let's get back to the constructive business of discussing the case.

[Tamikosmom]

ALEXANDER MATHEW

The following is a very interesting article ... especially when the insight of the author is considered after only one month after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Janet


Is Aruba's Government Covering Up Again

EAST GREENWICH, R.I. (EWORLDWIRE)
Jul 1, 2005

Rudy Croes, the Minister of Justice in Aruba, has every opportunity to question the Holloway investigation to assure that there is justice in Aruba even against the people that he did favors for and those he received favors from (the Dutch judicial officials).
 
Aruba is in a very difficult situation and this is not because of the American press, the Holloway case and most definitely not because of a web site by the name of "to hell with Aruba.com." Aruba is going through an extremely difficult period because of a nasty and corrupt government that owes favors to the different departments of the judicial system. The current government in Aruba, MEP has serious problems with the Dutch justice department yet they can not take a stand and voice their concerns due to the favors that they received over the years. The MEP government is maliciously leaking out information to the press about the Dutch police commissioner Jan van der Straten instead of confronting him or any other member of the justice department to ensure that there is no cover up in the investigation of the Holloway case.
 
The minister of justice, the political party MEP and the Dutch judges are portraying their partiality by bringing in a judge from a different Island to rule over the case yet the officials that are preparing the investigation are all friends and family of the suspect. How partial is this? Those who are preparing the investigation/case have access to all declarations, forensic reports, suspects and suspects family. Several reports by the international press have proven that the van der Sloot family is very close to the investigating team (The Dutch prosecutors office).
 
The habitual impartiality has been demonstrated in the past with several cases, one case in particular stands out. The case of Alexander Mathew against a Dutch government official, Ben Vocking whom now goes by the name of Ben King . In this particular case documents disappeared, forensic reports were over looked and witnesses were denied, these documents were in the favor of Alexander Mathew. Paul van der Sloot is a high ranking official in the judicial system and is close friends with Ben King, whom now works at the prosecution office. King was reportedly seen visiting Paul van der Sloot at his home when the Arubian police were performing a search of the van der Sloot residence. Mathew's entire case was tampered with. King said that his friend Paul van der Sloot helped him in the Mathew case. How many cases has and will Paul van der Sloot help cover up?
Mathew was isolated for two years and eight months to ensure that the truth would not surface. The Arubian press and the minister of justice, Rudy Croes played a large roll in the defamation of his character to justify his isolation. Now that the truth has surfaced, certain politicians and senators have raised concern that this corruption will repeat itself in the Holloway case and justice will not be served. The minister of justice Rudy Croes is attacking Alexander Mathew, the politicians and the senators in the local newspapers based upon lies. The minister of justice is even accusing Mathew of owning the website "to hell with Aruba. Com," this is a false accusation that is being supported by the Arubian newspaper "Bon Dia Aruba."
 
Mathew states that the government and the prosecution department is corrupt and is harming the Holloway family and the entire Arubian population. If the Holloway case had been investigated appropriately from the beginning it would have been resolved by now and Aruba would not still be suffering.
 
The Holloway family must be aware of the corruption that encompasses the Arubian government and judicial system so that they can obtain the appropriate international aid to assist in the search for the truth, justice and most importantly their daughter Natalie.
The government and prosecution officials should offer to take a lie detector test. Assure the world that there is no cover up in the Natalie Holloway case. Help clear Aruba's name.
     
   Massimo
   RI,    USA
   4018645592 (phone)

[klaasend]

     

     Can somebody please tell me why we have to put up with Ramm?

This should stop, and any complaints should be taken up with Red, Klaas or San. Off the board.

It is especially annoying because my case beliefs are more in-line with those complaining than Ramm, yet i fail to see the current basis for the complaints. Old Drama.

Thank you Igsigs. 

[San]

Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

Contact Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot

http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html

Easy, correct me if I'm wrong, but does that NOT say he became a lawyer in 2006?   Was he a Judge before he was a Lawyer?   I will ask NO MORE!!!!

He was admitted into the Aruba Bar Association in 2006, but I also find that curious.  Somehow he worked in prosecution and then as a judge, but only joined the Bar after going private.  Not sure what it means.

At one time being a member of the Bar was not required in the U.S. but almost all states now require it, so who knows.

In one of Jossy's interviews on Dana he said Paulus was nothing but a glorified clerk. 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Sharon,

I follow you, now.  Had to go back and reread....

[SunnyinTX]

Searching around and came across this pdf.  Nothing new, but interesting due to the date it was published.

http://brochures.aruba.com/holloway/ArubaBarAssoc-Statement.pdf

just sneaking in to say Hi to all...and to thank Easy for this find....

[Tamikosmom]

Auntiem,

I know you disagree with Ramm being on this board but there are others who are interested in what he has to say.  If it is bothering you that much please scroll past his posts.

From what I have seen he has been respectable towards the people on here and answering the questions they ask of him.

Thanks.

San

San ... I am sure that Paulus van der Sloot would be very respectable if the administrators of the SM forum allowed him an open platform to put forth a personal/Aruban agenda.  However ... out of loyalty to the cause of justice for an eighteen year old American citizen and ... loyalty for her family ... I could not post along side of Paulus van der Sloot ... could not afford him ANY respect ... could not afford him ANY trust.  Why?  When I considered my foundation of research on the Natalee Holloway case in relation to Paulus van der Sloot ...

My foundation of research tells me that Rammstein has always had an Aruban agenda ... an Aruban agenda to distance Paulus van der Sloot from the events that encompass the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing ... an agenda that undermines the contention of family members that a corrupt ... not an incompetent ... investigation is denying Natalee the justice intitled to under Dutch law.

Thank you for listening to my what is on my heart.

Sincerely, Janet

+++++++++++++++++

The Monday Morning Pick-up according to Beth, Paulus, Rammstein and the Superior Court:


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
March 21, 2006

TWITTY: He had initially told the witnesses that he himself had picked up Joran Van Der Sloot at 4:00 a.m. on the night of the 30th. But he later changed it about three weeks into the investigation that he did not pick up Joran at 4:00 a.m. on the 30th.


Paulus van der Sloot
NOVA
June 28, 2005

Paulus van der Sloot: That was not told to me when I was apprehended. During the apprehension I was told that I was suspected of complicity to murder manslaughter and usurpatory freedom spoliation (kidnapping). During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o'clock, I picked up Joran. And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee, while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o'clock at the McDonald's. That is, of course remarkable that the public prosecutor's office adds two witness statements of people who were standing somewhere in the back, and not the witness declaration from the police officers, where I direct myself to, and directed myself to, as much as possible.


Ramm
BFN
August 11, 2006

First of all Paul van der Sloot briefly perused through websites, not actually took time to study any of the websites. secondly, Paul may have been working/reading about a case for his job about alcohol/ drugs and young people. third, we all know that Paul was about to be axed from his training/substitute judgeship. He might have looked at the website of a prospective new employer and last but not least we now know that Paulus did not pick up Joran at 4am. At 3.25am he was MSN-talking to Deepak and afterwards he visited several other websites (among other a porn site).


Ramm
BFN
August 9, 2006

That was denied by Paul (him ever having said that) and again, Joran was already home at that moment in time. How can he go and pick up a son that is safely sitting at home?


Superior Court
January, 2007

“With attention to the lying declarations that the son of Paulus, Joran Andreas Petrus van der Sloot (hereafter Joran) gave about his last contact on the 30th of May 2005 with the disappeared Natalee Holloway, the suspicion is not unreasonable that he made himself guilty of a conduct that can be qualified as murder, manslaughter, or kidnapping that resulted in death.

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

[SunnyinTX]

Hey Flyer!  Are you new?  If so welcome.  Do you think the Dutch will act and get the 3 perps eventually?  I would like to hear your opinion.  TIA

Yes I am new. I posted earlier today what I think is happening. I think the Dutch already have the case and are just waiting until the bigger thing goes down. This case will just be a footnote to what is really happening. This is just speculation on my part

hi Flyer and welcome....I am going to go back and find your post....

[SunnyinTX]

Joran at home with his father, Paul. Paul has said Joran would not hurt anyone, especially not a girl.
(Courtesy of van der Sloots)

[note: Paulus drinks coffee with creme in it.
the white haired person to the left in the picture is his attorney. the t-shirt is tennis wear and happens to be K-Swiss like the brand of shoes Joran says he lost.
notice how Joran holds onto his parents is a sure sign of guilt.
Even though this picture says it is at Joran's home, it doesn't look like other pictures we've seen with flooring that are tiles and not a carpet and furniture looks off as well as wall colors.
I will bet this is at the attorney's home.

  Is that a radiator I see??  Why would a home on hell island need a radiator???

[flyer33716]

Hey Flyer!  Are you new?  If so welcome.  Do you think the Dutch will act and get the 3 perps eventually?  I would like to hear your opinion.  TIA

Yes I am new. I posted earlier today what I think is happening. I think the Dutch already have the case and are just waiting until the bigger thing goes down. This case will just be a footnote to what is really happening. This is just speculation on my part

hi Flyer and welcome....I am going to go back and find your post....

Thanks for the welcome and thanks to everyone who has welcomed me. I am just learning how to manuever around this sight. I am glad that the people here are not as sickening as on some other sights.

[truthseeker2]

Searching around and came across this pdf.  Nothing new, but interesting due to the date it was published.

http://brochures.aruba.com/holloway/ArubaBarAssoc-Statement.pdf

just sneaking in to say Hi to all...and to thank Easy for this find....

Reading this document would be enough to keep me from wanting to ever be in a situation where I had to depend on their system.  Sorry, but it is just way too secretive for my liking.  It is a breeding ground for "frame-ups" or "looking the other way" type of investigations.  Nothing can be revealed until the 'investigators' and 'prosecutors' decide to go to court.  Decisions are then made solely by judges.  If you don't like their ruling you can appeal to a panel of 3 of the judges buddies.  Too much control in the hands of too few.

[Kermit]

Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot, born in the Netherlands (1952), graduated from the University of Tilburg, the Netherlands (LL.M., 1979). Before going into private practice Mr. van der Sloot worked ten years in social legal aid in the Netherlands, four years in the Aruban Government, eight years in the public prosecution and three years as a judge. He was admitted to the bar in 2006. His practice focuses mainly on administrative law and mediation.

Languages: Dutch, English, German, French and Papiamento.

Contact Paul A.P.J. van der Sloot

http://www.carlolawoffice.com/attorneys/index.html

Easy, correct me if I'm wrong, but does that NOT say he became a lawyer in 2006?   Was he a Judge before he was a Lawyer?   I will ask NO MORE!!!!

He was admitted into the Aruba Bar Association in 2006, but I also find that curious.  Somehow he worked in prosecution and then as a judge, but only joined the Bar after going private.  Not sure what it means.

At one time being a member of the Bar was not required in the U.S. but almost all states now require it, so who knows.

In one of Jossy's interviews on Dana he said Paulus was nothing but a glorified clerk. 

1. Jossy Mansur phoned in on Greta tonight and brought news about Paulus van der Sloot. When the latter cleaned out his desk in the Aruban court he worked was, it wasn’t because he quit, however because he was banned. According to Jossy, Paul is not allowed to enter a courtroom anymore unless it is for civil matters.



7. GVS - PVDS @ The courthouse today - why was he there?
Jossy - HE WAS CLEANING UP HIS DESK -
GVS - out of the judge in training program
Jossy - don't know but he can't exercise his..(unintelligible)
GVS - how does he support his family if not working
Jossy - still gets paid by justice dept until his appointment runs out

[SunnyinTX]

     

     Can somebody please tell me why we have to put up with Ramm?

Auntiem,

I know you disagree with Ramm being on this board but there are others who are interested in what he has to say.  If it is bothering you that much please scroll past his posts.

From what I have seen he has been respectable towards the people on here and answering the questions they ask of him.

Thanks.

San

thanks San.....I have been keeping pretty quiet...I know...big surprise....I made the mistake of venturing over to the S&S thread and asked what I thought was a reasonable question....got my had slapped...WHEW!!  Will not venture over there again! then I come over here and people are complaining about others.....is it a full moon....I may not agree with what everyone thinks....or says...but unless they are knocking Natalee or Tim Miller....I respect their right to say what they think..some I just don't read....so far it's working....it's been a tough 2 and 1/4 years for all of us....so perhaps we are just a little sensitive....let's give each other some space...JMO of course

[SunnyinTX]

Hotshot
Do you recall the conversation with Eldwean concerning Lorenzo?  I would like to hear more about that, please. TIA

Eldwean doesn't know much about anything.  I met him while in aruba.  He is not working with a full deck.  He is a kid.  Last name "Lampe" which is alot of them if you get my drift.  Very nice guy, but he knows nothing about what we know, truthfully.  

Hi Hotshot, long time no see.

Yes, it seems that the gene pool in ARuba is fairly shallow, if you get my drift.   

Hi, I have been running emergencies, yes long time no see.  And LOLOLOL yes, quite shallow.  

Hi HOTSHOT...it's GOOD to see you again!!

[Lala'sMom]

       

     Can somebody please tell me why we have to put up with Ramm?

Auntiem,

I know you disagree with Ramm being on this board but there are others who are interested in what he has to say.  If it is bothering you that much please scroll past his posts.

From what I have seen he has been respectable towards the people on here and answering the questions they ask of him.

Thanks.

San

thanks San.....I have been keeping pretty quiet...I know...big surprise....I made the mistake of venturing over to the S&S thread and asked what I thought was a reasonable question....got my had slapped...WHEW!!  Will not venture over there again! then I come over here and people are complaining about others.....is it a full moon....I may not agree with what everyone thinks....or says...but unless they are knocking Natalee or Tim Miller....I respect their right to say what they think..some I just don't read....so far it's working....it's been a tough 2 and 1/4 years for all of us....so perhaps we are just a little sensitive....let's give each other some space...JMO of course

Whoa!  I answered you and I did not slap any hands. Heck!  I thought I was being nice. Are you sure it was me? If so, I apologize.  Never my intention. Never at all.