Lively Case Discussion #672 8/2 - 8/3/2007

[GrannyToad]

Here's a thought that I don't think has been addressed in ALL this time:

IF Natalee had ACCIDENTALLY OD'ed on a drug that was slipped into her drink, she most likely would NOT have retained any coherent knowledge of what happened to her afterward. Unless she actually SAW Joran spike the drink, etc, she would have NO reason to blame the guys for doing anything. In fact, they could play the Prince Charming angle with her and act like Sir Galahad was on the scene to help her in her hour of distress, if they wanted to.

There would be NO REASON to kill her to cover up a crime. She would not have known what happened to her, or really who was responsible.

Astute.

"If they find the girl they'll see that s**t."

hence, the heavy battery charge?

Yes, Guido's charge still has me disturbed. Up until then I could rationalize that the "premeditated" charges could refer to drugging, kidnap or both. This put a different and lurid edge on what happened to that poor girl.

Over here at sacred monkeys have you discussed that one front page Viet Vet post, and has the poster been identified?

[klaasend]

Joran-june 10th 2005 Statement

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn".He is the one I would like to talk to.

Why is it so important to talk to Valentijn?

Good question

[Dugga]

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[mrs. red]

Joran-june 10th 2005 Statement

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn".He is the one I would like to talk to.

Why is it so important to talk to Valentijn?

because he has to make sure all the school kids don't talk??

[igsigs]

"In his sixth and seventh statements Freddy repeated that Joran had unsuccesfully tried to revive an unconscious Natalee and that Joran thought that a black tourist couple on the beach would look after Natalee."

Watered down version given to Freddy here, and black tourist couple soon became *black security guard*, unconscious became *in-and-out of consciousness*. Before this, school version was hit head and drowned...what reality was that watered down from?

Igsigs
I do not recall reading Freddys's statments    Do you happen to have a link..
TIA..

Hey OF...they are in the Chap. 11 book summation. Lemme check for link...

[BTgirl]

MONKEY ALERT

I'm going to be working on implementing chat some tonight. So, if you experience trouble with the forum (ie. white pages) it's me poking around inside the code. Bear with me while I try to fix someone else's excellent but temporarily broken code  

oh, also, I "fixed" the avatars. I really hated them getting all squishy like that, so now their aspect ratio is correct, and they're limited to a width of 135px.

TY, Dugga. I'm looking forward to the chat. 

[mrs. red]

Granny,
 We haven't discussed Viet Vet that much.... but I thought we had established that he was with Jug and Beth that first night... and he is a close friend of them..

[klaasend]

MONKEY ALERT

I'm going to be working on implementing chat some tonight. So, if you experience trouble with the forum (ie. white pages) it's me poking around inside the code. Bear with me while I try to fix someone else's excellent but temporarily broken code  

oh, also, I "fixed" the avatars. I really hated them getting all squishy like that, so now their aspect ratio is correct, and they're limited to a width of 135px.

LOL Thanks DUGGA

But the questions is.....can I have some more cowbell please?

[BTgirl]

Joran-june 10th 2005 Statement

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn".He is the one I would like to talk to.

Why is it so important to talk to Valentijn?

because he has to make sure all the school kids don't talk??

because Valentijn was telling people Joran knocked the top of her head off?

[BTgirl]

Granny,
 We haven't discussed Viet Vet that much.... but I thought we had established that he was with Jug and Beth that first night... and he is a close friend of them..

That's what I thought also. That he was a friend and local pharmacist who was with them when they first arrived and began their search.

[klaasend]

Joran-june 10th 2005 Statement

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn".He is the one I would like to talk to.

Why is it so important to talk to Valentijn?

because he has to make sure all the school kids don't talk??

because Valentijn was telling people Joran knocked the top of her head off?

That's true, he was posting stuff like that on his Myspace.  Joran needed to get him to stop it.

[klaasend]

Granny,
 We haven't discussed Viet Vet that much.... but I thought we had established that he was with Jug and Beth that first night... and he is a close friend of them..

That's what I thought also. That he was a friend and local pharmacist who was with them when they first arrived and began their search.

BTGirl - I think Viet Vet said he owned a pharmacy (I could be wrong) that would not necessarily make him a pharmacist.

[sb]

"In his sixth and seventh statements Freddy repeated that Joran had unsuccesfully tried to revive an unconscious Natalee and that Joran thought that a black tourist couple on the beach would look after Natalee.

Watered down version given to Freddy here, and black tourist couple soon became *black security guard*, unconscious became *in-and-out of consciousness*. Before this, school version was hit head and drowned...what reality was that watered down from?

4 words from Anita have alway haunted me.

"There were adults around" (in interview w/ Greta)

This sounds like Joran told his mother that he had encountered someone at the beach who he thought could care for Natalee. Of course that is a complete fabrication, but is suggests that he was lying early and often.

[MuffyBee]

MONKEY ALERT

I'm going to be working on implementing chat some tonight. So, if you experience trouble with the forum (ie. white pages) it's me poking around inside the code. Bear with me while I try to fix someone else's excellent but temporarily broken code 

oh, also, I "fixed" the avatars. I really hated them getting all squishy like that, so now their aspect ratio is correct, and they're limited to a width of 135px.

Thank you, Dugga.  BTW  More cowbell

[BTgirl]

Granny,
 We haven't discussed Viet Vet that much.... but I thought we had established that he was with Jug and Beth that first night... and he is a close friend of them..

That's what I thought also. That he was a friend and local pharmacist who was with them when they first arrived and began their search.

BTGirl - I think Viet Vet said he owned a pharmacy (I could be wrong) that would not necessarily make him a pharmacist.

Yeah, now that you say that, I believe that's right. I was confusing the two things.

[mrs. red]

well if val was posting stuff like that, no wonder he had to talk to him...

[oldfart]

Oldfart-

No, haven't seen here but maybe she's busy.  I didn't expect she would be posting a whole lot anyway.  I'm sure she has more exciting things to do 

Thanks Klaasend...

Still would llie to know how her AVI ended up in the Tooth Bush  YouTube thing   
  Maybe it came from it 

BTW  when would you use the silent smiley      ???
Looks more like a smiley took a big ole  taste alum  to me 

[sb]

My quote of the earlier post got messed up somehow, but it referred to Joran's claim that there was a couple at the beach and how OUTLANDISH it was to claim that he enlisted them to look after Natalee.

[SuzieQ]

Joran-june 10th 2005 Statement

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euro's from my dad and also took money from my mother and I used my brothers mobile phone without asking for permission and after that I had broken the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is fifteen (15) years old and his name is "Valentijn".He is the one I would like to talk to.

Why is it so important to talk to Valentijn?

because he has to make sure all the school kids don't talk??

because Valentijn was telling people Joran knocked the top of her head off?

That one sentence has always bothered me, because it is in one of his first statements after being arrested. He didn't say anything about wanting to talk to his lawyer or his Mom or Dad, just Valentijn.

[klaasend]

My quote of the earlier post got messed up somehow, but it referred to Joran's claim that there was a couple at the beach and how OUTLANDISH it was to claim that he enlisted them to look after Natalee.

I fixed it I think.