Lively Case Discussion #497 7/18 - 7/19/2006

[klaasend]

Klaasend
Your post on the caves.. reminded me of somethin...

You prob. already know but there is a tourist spot in Aruba know as the "Sharks Mouth"  in one of the parks.. It is a rock formation that is supposed to look like an open Sharks Mouth.

I looked at it for a bit .. because of the reference to Natalee wanting to see sharks but the location never matched with any info we had..

No big thing.. just thought I'd mention it (I may have  long ago )[/b]

Oldfart - I had forgotten about that.  I'll see if I can find a picture of it.

[ldstlou]

Somone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that was the meeting when Paulus would not allow cameras.  If I am wrong, I know I will stand corrected and graciously so.

Tyler

Good to see that you are here and still helping me get by..
I think this is when Beth & Greata dropped by the VDS and were invited into the VDS household,  NO Cameras for 90 min... I do not think Beth has ever spoken on what was said during that time but I keep seeing reference to Greta wanting to be ill because of what Anita describes but have not located the source...

and yes it is a vey long improper sentence
 

Yes, Tyler, I think OF is correct. I also remember seeing Beth as she left and she looked so drained and stricken and then Anita pretending to be sympathetic and insincerely kissing Beth goodbye on the cheek.

Poor Beth..

I am not kidding...had a dream about Beth last night and I rarely remember my dreams!! Seemed so real!! I don't know what I was sitting in a waiting room for...but I looked over and there say Beth...and I told her I knew her story and asked her if I could give her a hug...and she said yes...and I did and she started sobbing...telling me she travelled alone like this all the time telling Natalee's story...then I said I was part of SM and asked her if it was ok to ask a few questions...asked her about the alledged phone calls from Natalee...weird to explain...she said no...but gave me a sign she had to say that while telling me yes with her body language...and then I woke up. I am not a dreamer...really not!! But this was so real and so vivid!! Giving her that hug. Still with me know...can't get it out of my head. Well..gotta go do my civic duty in neighborhood...Love you all!!

[Ono]

Klaasend
Your post on the caves.. reminded me of somethin...

You prob. already know but there is a tourist spot in Aruba know as the "Sharks Mouth"  in one of the parks.. It is a rock formation that is supposed to look like an open Sharks Mouth.

I looked at it for a bit .. because of the reference to Natalee wanting to see sharks but the location never matched with any info we had..

No big thing.. just thought I'd mention it (I may have  long ago )[/b]

Oldfart - I had forgotten about that.  I'll see if I can find a picture of it.

That's interesting...first time I have heard about this...maybe if we re-examine the location something may be more in focus or give a clue, however small?

[oldfart]

Go to Video - Mom Meets Suspect's Parents
Paul asks that the cameras be turned off
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

Go to Video - Van der Sloots Speak
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

Leslie
Went to the link of http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html
clcked on Video: Natalee's Mom Meets Suspect's Mom

which has properties of
javascript:videoPlayer('062105/greta_holloway_062105','Holloway%
and  get a empty Fox Video Screen up...  
any idea of what I'm doing wrong???
Thanks

[wreck]

ldstlou said:

I am not kidding...had a dream about Beth last night and I rarely remember my dreams!! Seemed so real!! I don't know what I was sitting in a waiting room for...but I looked over and there say Beth...and I told her I knew her story and asked her if I could give her a hug...and she said yes...and I did and she started sobbing...telling me she travelled alone like this all the time telling Natalee's story...then I said I was part of SM and asked her if it was ok to ask a few questions...asked her about the alledged phone calls from Natalee...weird to explain...she said no...but gave me a sign she had to say that while telling me yes with her body language...and then I woke up. I am not a dreamer...really not!! But this was so real and so vivid!! Giving her that hug. Still with me know...can't get it out of my head. Well..gotta go do my civic duty in neighborhood...Love you all!!

Those kind of stories give me goose bumps.!    

[thirdstrike]

Mrs Red...if you're still here...I understand.  I'll elaborate more later.

Everyone be cool!

[KatzHome]

Hey, anyone!  If that's Jossy saying "due to unforeseen circumstances" he can't do the radio show, does anyone have any thoughts on this?  

*IF* Easy's talking about Jossy, then I feel uneasy (sorry) about it......just sounds a little *off* to me ~ thoughts?

that's not necessarily a bad thing, tcumom, as much as we may want to hear from Jossy...

[klaasend]

Klaasend
Your post on the caves.. reminded me of somethin...

You prob. already know but there is a tourist spot in Aruba know as the "Sharks Mouth"  in one of the parks.. It is a rock formation that is supposed to look like an open Sharks Mouth.

I looked at it for a bit .. because of the reference to Natalee wanting to see sharks but the location never matched with any info we had..

No big thing.. just thought I'd mention it (I may have  long ago )[/b]

Oldfart - I had forgotten about that.  I'll see if I can find a picture of it.

I could be mistaken but the location appears to be on the same side of the island as Arikok and the caves.  Maybe Sleuth or someone more familiar with Aruba can answer about the exact location

[Lala'sMom]

Hi Monksters!  Are we happy or upset tonight?  Tell me so I will know if Old Fart needs to get my buckets out.  

[mrs. red]

Hey, anyone!  If that's Jossy saying "due to unforeseen circumstances" he can't do the radio show, does anyone have any thoughts on this?  

*IF* Easy's talking about Jossy, then I feel uneasy (sorry) about it......just sounds a little *off* to me ~ thoughts?

that's not necessarily a bad thing, tcumom, as much as we may want to hear from Jossy...

Dana said that Jossy is traveling and just can't make the appointment... it's just an unfortunate scheduling thing... and we can keep Tim Miller busy I am sure!

[mrs. red]

Hi Monksters!  Are we happy or upset tonight?  Tell me so I will know if Old Fart needs to get my buckets out.  

Happy here!

[Jerry from Ohio]

I personaly have lost most all confidence in Gretas journalism intergrety.
  The way she held the Joran intervview did that for me and the way she seemed to drop Beth when the going got a little slow now i put a lot more faith in Nancy Grace and i for get but there is one other woman news caster that tells it like she sees it .
  I want a reporter that talks straight up and not a
 rateings whore like it seems Greta has turned into  as I say this is just my opinion .
   Jerry from Ohio

Go to Video - Mom Meets Suspect's Parents
Paul asks that the cameras be turned off
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160298,00.html

Go to Video - Van der Sloots Speak
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

[Lala'sMom]

Hello Mrs. Red, good to see you.

[igsigs]

Dan's "source" all along was Julia Renfro. He bit her "line, hook, and sinker."

That's interesting wreck. Do you think she ever posted there? I could spot her writing style in about 2 seconds.

[sb]

There are a LOT of places on the island that were not adequately searched. Given what we know NOW about the desire to coverup all aspects of the case, I am really starting to wonder what kind of evidence might have been there for the taking in the southeastern part of the island, that has NEVER entered into the story much. At least in the very early days.

Any possible evidentiary trail is very cold indeed by now.

Those caves, and the beaches and locales in the SE part of the island, have always haunted me. I have never gotten past the idea that all the lighthouse stuff was meant to lead us in the wrong direction from events that happened AFTER JK2 got through with her.

[oldfart]

Klaasend
that is not the pic I found (and did not save) I found one from someones vacation.. I think I even asked you via e-mail where a park/place was located..
Just checked.. and of coure I did not save it... NO Biggie
Question is where in Aruba is the Shark Mouth located??   Anyone?
and it may not  even be realated.. but..

[Lala'sMom]

Hey Jerry, is that you in your avatar?  Just curious.

[KatzHome]

Hi Monkeys,

I'm keeping this short because I'm very tired ~ I didn't sleep enough after work this morning before getting up and doing stuff today...

I went to the Polygraph Convention this afternoon...

And met with Jamie Skeeters, and was invited back to sit in on all the classes both tonight and tomorrow.  All the polygraph people were wonderfully warm and welcoming to me.  Jamie had just gotten off the phone with Beth when I arrived.

Jamie is not a speaker ~ he's just one of the big guns in the polygraph world and part of the head of that convention.  When I got there Aphrodite Jones was speaking.  She said her usual nothing but talked about the Natalee case, Michael Jackson and Scott Peterson.  And she showed black and white photos of the Peterson trial.  I'm not a fan of hers and obviously she didn't get what she wanted from Mark Geragos, because, no matter how much she hung onto his arm during the Peterson trial ~ today she didn't have a kind word for him.

Jamie already does know Dana Pretzer and knows about his talk show.  Jamie and Dana have been talking ~ I just don't think we're going to be hearing about a Jamie interview any time soon...

Keep the faith, though, Monkeys...  We may yet see justice come out of Aruba ~ whether or not Aruba wants justice served or not...

[KatzHome]

Hi Monksters!  Are we happy or upset tonight?  Tell me so I will know if Old Fart needs to get my buckets out.  

Happy here!

Much joy here tonight, Lalas and Mrs. Red...

[wreck]

Dan's "source" all along was Julia Renfro. He bit her "line, hook, and sinker."

That's interesting wreck. Do you think she ever posted there? I could spot her writing style in about 2 seconds.

Tylergal can give you more examples -- but she did come on as herself a few times to "refute" she and "scubajap" were one in the same. Dan never confirmed to me that Julia was his source -- but I blasted him in a private e-mail and he did not deny it.