Natalee Case Discussion #727 2/8 - 2/10/08

[yapperz1]

Rob, I wonder if Rick Smid was the judge who met with Lorenzo then decided no case would be pursued? Something smells in that situation.
Things that make you go HMMMM

[mishy]

Private Eye, actually I felt like he might actually be in awe of her...not attracted or aroused...men like Charlie, although they can't handle strong women, do respect and sometimes even fear them 

He ran back to RU telling them that in person she was real different, real sweet. Its not that he doesn't want women like Beth, its that they won't have him. His own lady friend who was with him thought she saw a tooth pick in his britches while he was getting hugged by Beth. I asked her if she wasn't mad, and she said rat or human, males are all alike, so she wasn't surprised

PS And not wanting her could cause me to want to whip his ass as well. My advice to him, is steer clear of her and me and him will have no problems


The truth is Beth could whip him herself!!!!!!!!!!!

Private Eye, of that I have no doubt 

and of course strong smart women wouldn't have him or men like him, and BTW, he did leave alone 

[Dayhiker]

I really wish Rick Smid & Bob Witt would be thoroughly investigated. Those 2 are more crooked than a dogs hind leg.

They can't even get a main suspect who confessed thrown in jail, much less figure out how to deal with dirty judges, prosecutors and cops.

[martini]

coming friday prime minister balkenende visits aruba.
if peter r. de vries really wants pull a trick he makes thursday afternoon an anouncement about aruba: corruption, drugs in connection with the natalee case maybe even play one of the much bigger cards - corrupt to the core or sex-trafficking.
if peter r. de vries does that. the whole visit of balkenende will be overshadowed by that.


Peter R. "I've got some special thoughts about P vdS."

My thoughts Caesu? This would be sweet! You know Peter better than we do but we have heard he likes to expose corruption in the government in addition to solving murder cases. Is this true?

Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende and State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten will be in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba for a working visit February 10-15.The theme of this visit will be the revival of the relations within the Kingdom. Friday he'll be on Aruba, where he'll meet Premier Oduber.

Prime Minister Jan-Peter Balkenende assumes the Holloway case will be talked about during his coming visit to Aruba, in a conversation with Premier Nelson Oduber of Aruba. He said friday in the tv program Eén Vandaag that it is a case of the Justice authorities and he can't be involved. "I am not allowed and will not intervere in cases who are with a judge.

[CapsLockWizard]

Capslockwizard says:



Name: van Rijn, Lorenzo  (26 yr)
Born date:  9/24/1981
Born place: Haarlem - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Savaneta 123K

Name: van Rijn, Paul      (49 yr)
Born date: 12/27/1958
Born place: Haarlem - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Savaneta 123K


Name: van Rijn, born. Traksel Astrid L    (48 yr in 40 minutes)
Born Date: 2/10/1960
Born place: Haarlem - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Savaneta 123K

Name: van der Sloot, Paulus APJ         (56 yr next week)
Born Date: 2/15/1952
Born place: Boxtel - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Montanja 19

Name: van der Sloot, Born. Hugen Anita OMA
Born Date: 8/19/56                           (51 yr)
Born place: Heerlen - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Montanja 19



Here is the Montana and Savaneta connection.

[caesu]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilber_Varela

was killed on the day Peter R. anounced broadcast

30 jan. 2008

[Observer]

Search at the VDS home. Since when do Murder Rape and Kidnapping suspects get Immunity from having there property searched? Since when do they allow a Deputy Commissioners to obstruct justice in a murder Investigation? Since when do the Judges,ALE and Prosecuters all tell a different story and point fingers at each other but never resolve what happened? After this story was printed and Dompig was accused of Obstructing a murder Investigation I see he is running for a high ranking position in the ALE..Are you kidding me?

Ok,One last time I want to make sure this is all on record here at SM. I am convinced they are caught in a huge lie here. If something is wrong here please correct me!!!!!! It just doesnt make sense that Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects never had there house searched for 2 years!! We all saw they went in like lightening arrested 2 innocent men,did body searches,forensics in home and cars but for some reason the real perps were granted immunity. What did the Dutch first do when they arrived in Aruba? Did they question Beth what she did with Natalee? No they searched the VDS home and did forensics tests at the Kalpoes.
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Dompig: Said they were dissapointed that the judge did not allow them to search more than just Jorans Apt and they were turned down for a full search of the entire property. They were denied again when PVDS was arrested 8 days later for Premediated Murder and Kidnapping.

Peter De Vries: Told us that when they(ALE)arrived to search the the entire Van Der Sloot property but they were shocked when High Ranking official Ben King answered the door and they found out Judge Wit restricted the search of the VDS home to just Jorans little Apt and the two cars.

Judge Wit: Tells us that Dompig obstructed the search to give the Van Der Sloots privacy. Says the OM(Prosecutions Office)Never asked to search more than just Jorans Apt and the two cars. Said he had to make a decision on the spot? That if something was found it would not be allowed?

Karen Janssen:?
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Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.
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TRANSLATION:

ex huez comisario bob wit is defende his actuacion in caso-holloway thursday, 27 december 2007

“mi owing to actua corecto y owing to base of proceduranan estableci in the caso natalee holloway”.

so ex huez comisario in the affair bob wit owing to tell relaciona cu ponencianan cu owing to come fast in last dianan for her as cu the investigacion in the caso owing to march. during one week, mr. wit cu awendia is afiliá at corte of husticia of caribe, owing to fungi because; huez comisario in the caso here.

at aruba the boss principal of the investigacion of the time yonder gerald dompig owing to tell cu the mature cu huez comisario not owing to accord for busca proof in the cas of the pareha van der sloot owing to stroba the investigacion.

 the investigador of crímen dutch peter r. de vries owing to alegá the same cos. remarcabel was in the caso here cu after owing to accord if one are of investigacion of the netherlands enter the cas y the territory of the family.

owing to crea the impresion also cu because; cu was deal of funcionario cu was learn for become huez, owing to previlegiá the family.

paul van der sloot, father of joran van der sloot, after owing to become sospechoso in the caso. the was in the formacion of raio.

mr. wit owing to tell cu at instant cu owing to come the peticion for her listramento at the sitio caminda joran van der sloot was live, owing to come the peticion of om for busca in his apartment y also in two car of the family.

niun instant owing to ask for busca more far. one huez comisario not can haci another, because the peticion for listramento have to is substansia. cu another word if owing to accord for busca another caminda y esee do not cubri for her peticion of ministerio público all proof cu eventualmente obtené is ilegal.

 “esey is signify cu we owing to haci we work corectamente”, so mr. wit owing to tell.

the ex huez comisario owing to tell also for thing is deal the caso self cu the sospechonan contra van der sloot y the rumannan kalpoe is strong. [/size] [/size] [/size] [/color]

“mi owing to constatá for of the dossier cu had various contradiccion in they declaracionnan. but esey do not sufficient for succeed one condena.

in the caso cu not find the restonan deadly hour is deal of one crímen do you have to of material adicional cu is as declaracion of one or more witness cu owing to see thing owing to happen or do you have to find spornan of blood or can example cabei for tèstnan of dna”, so the magistrado owing to tell.

for thing is tr the caso self, mr. wit owing to tell cu owing to arrive of happen in pasado cu after of time owing to come elementonan new cu still can conducí at one persecucion of the sospechosonan.

 “mi owing to see much trip in my work cu cualke instant can come informacion new cu is throw one another light on casonan cu was pendiente”, so mr. wit owing to comentá.ministerio público of aruba owing to anunciá the week here cu in the caso here the accomodate of caducacion of the “krímen” is 7 year for asesinato y 10 year for asesinato premeditá (homicidio).
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[Rob]

Rob, could you please post that picture you have of Charlierat and wehwalt side by side?

I have this picture of Dilbert, will that do?

[BTgirl]

Rob, I wonder if Rick Smid was the judge who met with Lorenzo then decided no case would be pursued? Something smells in that situation.
Things that make you go HMMMM

Almost everything that has anything to do with Lorenzo makes me go hmmm. He was certainly brought into the Natalee case discussion early on for there not to be any connection.

[Rob]

And here is the freakiest troll on the net.

[Frank]

Wasn't there a quote from dave or beth that they met Janssen or van der straaten and one of those 2 were surprised at how much they knew, and that's when the blame Beth started, that she was hurting the investigation?

[Elaine]

Rob, could you please post that picture you have of Charlierat and wehwalt side by side?

I have this picture of Dilbert, will that do?

LMAO! 

[Altruist]

But why would you make up a scenario that could never be supported by the physical evidence, if it were ever found, and assuming she suffered a fatal blow?  Meaning, if they bludgeoned her a seizure would not mean much.

the officials of LieAruba certainly did NOT cooperate with having any real ocean search done, did they?  remember, dompig couldn't be bothered to write a short request letter to the FBI?

imo, she is either in the ocean or in a spot that will never be searched, like the place that was referenced close to the FISH restaurant(can't remember name, southwest corner of island in what sounded like mud flats) OR ( old gold mines that can't be accessed).  You KNOW they did NOT dispose of her 5/30/05, these creatures planned the whole incident, again imo.

[yapperz1]

Caps can I ask how that proves a connection between Savaneta & Noord?
Are those places in the Netherlands close to each other?

[Elaine]

And here is the freakiest troll on the net.

OMG yes! there they are~!!
Who would want that pair defending them?? LMAO!

[Destiny]

Rob, I wonder if Rick Smid was the judge who met with Lorenzo then decided no case would be pursued? Something smells in that situation.
Things that make you go HMMMM

I was told that it was a single judge....not a panal of 3 judges...just the judge and lorenzo...closed doors...

[caesu]

coming friday prime minister balkenende visits aruba.
if peter r. de vries really wants pull a trick he makes thursday afternoon an anouncement about aruba: corruption, drugs in connection with the natalee case maybe even play one of the much bigger cards - corrupt to the core or sex-trafficking.
if peter r. de vries does that. the whole visit of balkenende will be overshadowed by that.


Peter R. "I've got some special thoughts about P vdS."

My thoughts Caesu? This would be sweet! You know Peter better than we do but we have heard he likes to expose corruption in the government in addition to solving murder cases. Is this true?

Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende and State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten will be in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba for a working visit February 10-15.The theme of this visit will be the revival of the relations within the Kingdom. Friday he'll be on Aruba, where he'll meet Premier Oduber.

Prime Minister Jan-Peter Balkenende assumes the Holloway case will be talked about during his coming visit to Aruba, in a conversation with Premier Nelson Oduber of Aruba. He said friday in the tv program Eén Vandaag that it is a case of the Justice authorities and he can't be involved. "I am not allowed and will not intervere in cases who are with a judge.

yes Peter has some cards to play.
i hope he is not flying via Aruba back to Holland. fear for his live. 

[CapsLockWizard]

Capslockwizard says:



Name: van Rijn, Lorenzo  (26 yr)
Born date:  9/24/1981
Born place: Haarlem - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Savaneta 123K

Name: van Rijn, Paul      (49 yr)
Born date: 12/27/1958
Born place: Haarlem - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Savaneta 123K


Name: van Rijn, born. Traksel Astrid L    (48 yr in 40 minutes)
Born Date: 2/10/1960
Born place: Haarlem - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Savaneta 123K

Name: van der Sloot, Paulus APJ         (56 yr next week)
Born Date: 2/15/1952
Born place: Boxtel - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Montanja 19

Name: van der Sloot, Born. Hugen Anita OMA
Born Date: 8/19/56                           (51 yr)
Born place: Heerlen - Netherlands
Aruba Address: Montanja 19



Here is the Montana and Savaneta connection.

Klaasend: or LALA: Hotshot:

The above are the dates of brith place, ages, aruba address and Birth location of the whole Van Der Sloot famaly.

[casa]

I've not posted a lot lately but want to comment on the Lorenzo deal. We don't know he did anything and we don't know he didn't.  We do know he was arrested and questioned about drugs, etc and let go.  Much of what is posted here is opinion and speculation and NO one has the right to be nasty to another poster because they don't agree with their opinion. If we do that then we turn in to RU.   The sending of nasty and threatening e mails needs to stop! If they don't stop them the admins here need to do something about it. The nastiness toward family members who post here needs to stop. Oh yeah it goes on in private.  There are some of us who think we know it all but I assure you that the family members know so much more about this than us and we should not criticize and talk about them behind their backs. This is NOT about any of us. It is about Natalee and bringing the people who did this to her to justice no matter WHO they are!

[Rob]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilber_Varela

was killed on the day Peter R. anounced broadcast

30 jan. 2008

that's one nasty gang. Most are now in jail as the top 5 people have all been caught on the last 8 months.

You can find all the article on the NVC in the archives.

The leader was caught in his underwear about three months ago. He had killed 1500 people.

We all have a lot of suspicions about the NVC.