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SAN just sent this to me   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Joran-1.jpg)

Geez, it took over a week to get to page 50... ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://imgsrv.1010wins.com/image/DbGraphic/200801/823725.jpg)

(http://imgsrv.1010wins.com/image/wins/UserFiles/Image/bronx-drug-bust-2.jpg)

This is a link to a photograph of the confiscated heroin and guns from the house in the Bronx.  For some reason, the photograph is dated January 9th. 

http://www.1010wins.com/pages/1453659.php?

Police Bust 'Sophisticated' Heroin Ring in the Bronx

 
NEW YORK (AP)  -- Two people were arrested Wednesday and $500,000 worth of heroin has been seized in the Bronx.

Edwin Cruz, 31, and his girlfriend Lucilla Tejada, 36, were operating a sophisticated mom and pop operation distributing heroin in the Bronx and Upper Manhattan, police said.

1010 WINS AUDIO: Terry Sheridan Reports

Loaded guns, a heroin press and branding stamps were found in the couple's Sedwick Ave. apartment, police said.

The couple's heroin was allegedly stamped "Mercedes."

Photos from 1010 WINS' Terry Sheridan
 

SS - lolol   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance::

I think we're duplicating efforts.   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

SS - that's OK.  I'm also posting in the Daury Arrested thread  ::MonkeyWink::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

Double trouble!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Is it too early to hope for an Aruban tsunami?

Now we have an address.  ::MonkeyRoll::

January 10, 2008 -- Bronx drug dealers got a rude awakening yesterday when police staged a raid at their apartment that netted eight kilos of heroin and nine firearms, authorities said.

Cops executed a warrant at the third-floor apartment at 3343 Sedgwick Ave. in Kingsbridge, where they awoke Edwin Cruz, 35, and his girlfriend, Lucilla Tejada, 36, at 8:35 a.m.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01102008/news/regionalnews/bronx_drug_raid_651496.htm

AZSunny - No chance of a tsunami with a measly 4.0 earthquake  ::MonkeyCool::

Damn

This arrest date says 1/9/08

http://a072-web.nyc.gov/inmatelookup/inmateDetailAction.do?bookcasenumber=2410800507

Edwin Dela Cruz
Booking Information Incarceration: 2008-01-09 
Book & Case Number: 2410800507
Booking Location: George Motchan Detention Center
Arrest Date: 2008-01-09 
Arrest Number: B08602441H
Projected Release Date: 
Actual Release Date: 
Discharge Reason: 
Bail & Bond:  Remanded 
Charge Information
Docket: 2008BX001677
Indictment: 00699/2008
Charges: 220.21 FA (CRIM POSS CONTRL SUBST-1ST A Felony)
 
 
Housing History
From Date To Date Facility
2008-01-10 2008-01-25 Vernon C. Bain Center
 
Warrants
Warrant # Type Charge Severity
 
NYSID: 8588427H
Age: 31
Sex: Male
Race: White
Height: 5 ft  11 inches
Weight: 225 lbs
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Nativity: New York

I can't find Lucilla Tejada.  She could be out on bail.

With the Natalee Free Birds posting...

This is a repeat post from the first of Feb.  The Dutch blogger has a reporter (macamba) Aruba and he posted this:

From a Dutch blog

"Enkele weken geleden sprak ik met een van de broers Kalpoe. Ze wonen aan de Hooiberg in Santa Cruz Aruba en ik ken hun vader erg goed die in het hotelwezen van Aruba werkzaam is. Deze broers zijn er door Joran bij betrokken terwijl ze er werkelijk helemaal niks mee te maken hebben gehad. Joran stond bekend als rokkenjager, hij ging er prat op om zoveel mogelijk vrouwen te versieren en hield daar zelfs een boekje voor bij met alle namen, data en tijdstippen. Joran schuwde het heimelijke gebruik van GHB ook niet als een meisje niet snel genoeg op zijn advances in ging. Volgens een van de broertjes noemde Joran dat zijn "love-potion" en als het hem niet snel genoeg ging wast het "love-potion no. 9" erin als het meisje niet keek of als Joran zelf een drankje ging halen.

"Single weeks I ago spoke with one of the brothers Kalpoe.  They live at the Haystack in Santa Cruz Aruba and I know their father very good that in the hotel being of Aruba actively is.  These brothers are to make had there by Joran by concerned meanwhile they it really totally nothing with.  Joran stood known as skirts hunter, he was proud to decorate of so much possible women and held that even a book for by with all names, data and moments.  Joran shunned not went the secret use of GHB also not as a girl fast enough on its advances in. According to one of the brothers named Joran that are "love-potion" and as it him not fast enough went wast the "love-potion no.  9" in it as the girl looked not or wanted to get as a Joran self a drink.

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

Link to actual page:

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/2008/02/joran_the_day_a.html

SS ... the date of the arrest and confiscation was on Wednesday, January 9, 2008.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4 - 4/11/08
« Reply #966 on: Today at 06:48:01 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.960


Authorities seize 8 kilograms of heroin worth more than $500K
10 January 2008

SEACAUCUS, New Jersey. - Authorities seized 8 kilograms of heroin and arrested a woman as part an ongoing probe into a case with suspected international ties.

State Police Lt. Mark Kelly said Ramona Rodriguez-Tejada, 49, was arrested Wednesday  as she attempted to board a bus in Secaucus. He says the powdered heroin she allegedly possessed is worth an estimated $520,000 and likely was smuggled through Aruba.

Kelly says the woman is a native of the Dominican Republic, but has Aruban citizenship and addresses in Brooklyn. She’s being held at the Hudson County Jail on $1 million bail.

Authorities believe the case also has ties to Holland and Haiti, and are continuing their investigation.

http://www.haiti-info.com/spip.php?article4451


January 10 2008

Top News
Bronx Police Raid Nets 8 Kilos of Heroin, Guns
NYPD officers raiding a north Bronx home earlier this week netted eight kilos of heroin and nine loaded handguns.

The couple who lived in the home, Edwin (Armani) Cruz, 31, and Lucille Tejada, 36, were arrested in the raid. Both face felony drug possession and numerous weapons charges.

The raid came after weeks of investigation by the NYPD's Bronx gang squad. However, police told the New York Daily News that the couple were not affiliated with a gang. Instead, police say, they are part of a larger organization that distributes guns and drugs on the streets of upper Manhattan and the Bronx.

"This was a substantial bust," Dep. Chief Robert Boyce, commander of the Citywide Gang Unit, told the Daily News. "I think we put a nice dent in this operation."

The raid was executed at 8:35 a.m., and the officers caught Cruz and Tejada still sleeping. Officers found the heroin, wrapped in red cellophane, stuffed in an empty vacuum box in the living room. The handguns, described as high-quality weapons, were found in a book bag and in a drawer.

Police say Cruz has an arrest record on charges of robbery, criminal possession of a weapon, and felony possession. His parole ended in 2006. Tejada has no criminal history.

 http://www.policemag.com/News/2008/01/10/Bronx-Police-Raid-Nets-8-Kilos-of-Heroin-Guns.aspx

Klaasen

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #746 4/4
« Reply #743 on: Today at 01:38:32 PM »

Found this but haven't been able to come up with the full article yet:

Police arrest alleged heroin, cocaine dealer

Posted 03/07/2008 by Worrall Community Newspapers
ROSELLE, NJ - A joint effort between Roselle, Linden and county law enforcement officers led to the arrest of a suspected cocaine and heroin peddler, according to borough police Capt. Gary Ricardelli.


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Police arrest alleged heroin, cocaine dealer

By John O'Reilly, Staff Writer
Thursday, March 6, 2008 2:43 PM EST

ROSELLE, NJ - A joint effort between Roselle, Linden and county law enforcement officers led to the arrest of a suspected cocaine and heroin peddler, according to borough police Capt. Gary Ricardelli.

Police arrested Daniel Brown, 29, on Feb 28, following a three-week probe stemming from tips they received about his alleged drug involvement, police said.

“The investigation did reveal the subject was involved in the sale and distribution of narcotics,” said Ricardelli. At approximately 4:40 p.m., 12 officers, including members of the borough’s narcotics detective unit, community policing unit, a Linden detective and a Union County Sheriff’s officer, executed a search warrant at Brown’s East 9th Avenue home.

Police said the cooperation between various law enforcement departments was done for “tactical reasons.”

“You don’t know what’s on the other side of the door,” said Ricardelli. In Brown’s home, authorities said they found over half an ounce of cocaine and several bags of heroin, along with drug paraphernalia, according to Ricardelli. They noted that Brown’s arrest was a minor bust, but the successful culmination of one of many current projects.

“The narcotics department is actively involved in several investigations to improve the quality of life for the citizens of Roselle,” Ricardelli said.

Brown was arrested and charged with possession with intent to distribute heroin and cocaine over the amount of 1/2 ounces, possession with intent within 500 feet of a park and possession of narcotics paraphernalia.

Brown was taken to Union County Jail. His bail was set at $150,000 cash. He is scheduled to appear in court on March 7.
John O’Reilly can be reached at 908-686-7700, ext. 116, or theprogress@thelocalsource.com.

http://www.localsource.com/articles/2008/04/04/latest_news/doc47d047603b4c0109316866.txt

http://www.coolerads.com/news_details/news,5699

Thanks Janet

You are welcome Klaas.  Not much help ... the article does not appear to be related to the Daury issue.

Janet

If it can be established that there is a nexus between the Holloway case and the Daury Drug case and the corruption of government officials then the Noriega Doctrine might apply and if so -- there are a lot of sweating palms on Aruba and in Holland because as I understand it there is an provision in the U.S./Netherlandsinternational treaty regarding specifically drug trafficking, hence EXTRADITION... ::MonkeyWink::

I like the way you think  ::MonkeyWink::

The Diario news cartoon today -

(http://news.diario-aruba.com//images/stories/2008N/april/11/car.jpg)

I not sure what it means...however it does include Oduber, who looks like his head is made of corn on the cob.  And the other gentleman seems to have a purse. 

Anyone can help explain?

Is that a spoiler or just light on the back of Deepak's car? If I remember correctly Jaime or Gregory Tromp had a spoiler.

(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/2031/deepakscarfromsecuritytcw5.jpg)

(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9311/deepakcar2ls6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2992/deepakcarme8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2016.0

Looks like a spoiler to me but I could be wrong  ::MonkeyWink::

This should be added to the latest Freebird's post and also the other two witnesses that saw Deepak escort Natalee out of C&C by the arm. They are still lying about drugging Natalee and going back to get her in C&C 10 minutes later and her barely being able to walk.

Jossy Mansur: “A bartender at the club where she was that fatal night has confirmed that two of the three suspects had to practically drag her to the car because she was uncertain on her feet”

Two witnesses who said Deepak escorted her out of C&C 10 minutes after most everyone left.
http://tinyurl.com/39k757

O/T

******* ... one week at your new job.  How did it go?  Also ... are you getting used to the surroundings of your new home?  Have you met any of your neighbours?

Just wondering.

 ::MonkeyCool::

Janet.

It looks like and angry tourist and nel and bushi being hauled around via wheel barrell by the tax payer and a pretty girl at that.  jackb

Maybe the one with the purse and the wild print shirt is supposed to be Rudy Croes?  ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe that does represent cone heads and he has a play steering weel on a wheel barrell and is not in control and is playing like he is driving.  Their lusts are driving them and the angry tourist (maybe a camera bag) is not going to be there.   again, jackb

Thanks for thinking of me :) Everything is excellent and I absolutely love it here!! My Boss is my age so we hit it off bigtime and the people here are about as nice as I have seen anywhere in the U.S. It is very different then New England and the move was the best decision I have made in years. All I need now is some furniture so I can actually see here in the computer room ::MonkeyWink::

That is great news *******.

Have a fun weekend.  Are you furniture shopping for that new home of yours?

Janet

I am off for the evening.

Have a great weekend Monkeys.

Janet
6:50 PM

Nice to see you *******, and I'm so glad you like your new digs~!

Nite Janet!

Evening Monkey Pals...just checking in for the night....Glad you are so Happy ******* ;-)

Did we find out any more today about Daury's incarceration? :smt117

Just a little more about the related people that were arrested in January.  I've put it all in this thread:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2783.0

Hi Wreck...I'm playing short catch-up...I did send some info to a friend at Diario...they are investigating several aspects of the case/story from their end...I'v got a weekend communication set up with them now...so I'm waiting...

Thanks Klaas...You're the best!   Any word yet?

Nope, not yet

     Thought for the day
    7d9668.gif
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog.
    If you can't eat it or play with it,
    pee on it and walk away.

Have a nice day!

 

Thanks Destiny  I needed a good Laugh!  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hope this one comes through...I love it!

mailbox:///Users/jackiefl/Library/Mozilla/Profiles/default/orby6pae.slt/Mail/mail.alltel.net/Inbox?number=170024451&part=1.2&type=image/jpeg&filename=6668.jpg

Poop! one more try...

My last try at *funny* tonight...

> > The parish priest went on a fishing trip. On the last day of his trip he
 
>hooked a monster fish and proceeded to reel it in.
> >
> > The guide, holding a net, yelled, "Look at the size of that Son of a
>Bitch!"
> >
> > "Son, I'm a priest. Your language is uncalled for!"
> >
> > "No, Father, that's what kind of fish it is - a Son of a Bitch  fish!"
> >
> > "Really? Well then, help me land this Son of a Bitch!"
> >
> > Once in the boat, they marveled at the size of the monster. "Father,
>that's the biggest Son of a Bitch I've ever seen"
> > "Yes, it is a big Son of a Bitch. What should I do with it?"
> >
> > "Why, eat it! Of course. You've never tasted anything as good as Son of
>a Bitch!"
> >
> > Elated, the priest headed home to the rectory. While unloading his gear
>and his prize catch, Sister Mary inquired  about his trip.
> >
> > "Take a look at this big Son of a Bitch I caught!"
> >
> > Sister Mary gasped and clutched her rosary, "Father!"
> >
> > "It's OK, Sister. That's what kind of fish it is, a Son of a Bitch
>fish!"
> >
> > "Oh, well then, what are you going to do with that big Son of a  Bitch?"
 
>Sister Mary informed the priest that the new Bishop was
> > scheduled  to visit in a few days and that they should fix the Son of a
>Bitch  for his dinner. "I'll even clean the Son of a Bitch", she said.
> >
> > As she was cleaning the huge fish, the Friar walked in. "What are you
>doing Sister?"
> >
> > "Father wants me to clean this big Son of a Bitch for the new  Bishop's
>Dinner"
> >
> > "Sister! I'll clean it if you're so upset! Please watch your language!"
> >
> > "No, no, no, it's called a Son of a Bitch Fish."
> >
> > "Really? Well, in that case, I'll fix up a great meal to go with it,
>and that Son of a Bitch can be the main course! Let me know when you've
>finished cleaning that Son of a Bitch."
> >
> > On the night of the new Bishop's visit, everything was perfect.  The
>Friar had prepared an excellent meal.  The wine was fine, and the fish was
> > excellent.  The new Bishop said, "This is great fish, where did you get
>it?"  "I caught that Son of a Bitch!" proclaimed the proud priest.
> >
> > "And I cleaned the Son of a Bitch!" exclaimed the Sister.  The Friar
>added, "And I prepared the Son of a Bitch, using a special  recipe!"
> >
> > The new Bishop looked around at each of them. A big smile crept across
>his face as he said,  "You fuckers are my kind of people!"
>

::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Goodnite...C-Ya in the morning...Sleep with the Angels...

Good Night Destiny!  ::MonkeyCool::

Yup..I need ar least one of everything  ::MonkeyDance:: Then I am off to meet with my new gun crazy boss who wants to show off his new laser guns  ::MonkeyEek::

Have a great weekend everyone!

Monkeys... keep up the Good Work, filling in the blanks and connecting the dots!

Does this tie in at all with our discussions of an underwater 'Post Office'?

Good Morning Monkeys

It is a beautiful morning in our neck of the woods in Western Canada.

I am somewhat awake but I am lacking that anticipated caffeine buzz that come from that first cuppa morning coffee ... the buzz that clears the cobwebs.  It will not be long ...

Janet
7:30 AM

I wonder if baseball player, Miguel Tejada, is connected to Ramona and Lucilla.  I think he was born in the Dominican Republic, but he claims to be an Aruba native.  He had a fight with a judge on the beach a few years ago and he was arrested.  He would be about the same age as Lucilla.

That wasn't MiguelTejada it was Sidney Ponson.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Ponson

Good morning, Janet.  It's kinda grey and drizzley here in the South or at least my little corner of it but given the drought conditions, nobody is complaining.  They all laughed last summer when Gov. Sonny prayed for rain but the bigger lakes are almost full pool already.  Now who's laughing!

It would be a good day for someone to start telling the truth about what happened to Natalee.

I thought it was Sidney Ponson that got into the fight?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38637-2005Apr8.html

Rafael Palmeiro: Miguel Tejada's to Blame!
Rafael Palmeiro is still insisting that he didn't knowingly take the steroids that caused him to test positive earlier this year but he does think he knows how the steroids got into his system. He doesn't have any proof but that's not going to stop him from accusing a former teammate, Miguel Tejada, of injecting him with a tainted vitamin B-12 shot. Palmeiro made the following comments to The New York Times:


"I wish I could pinpoint exactly what happened," Palmeiro told the newspaper. "I would think it was the B-12. I'm not certain of that; I can't prove it."

"I wish I could have turned in the vial for testing," Palmeiro said. "But when I found out, it was long gone and I couldn't come up with it. If something happened that I'm not aware of, an intentional act by someone else, I don't know. I can't rule out anything."


I'm truly amazed. Not only is Palmeiro claiming that Tejada shot him up with steroids, he's also claiming that he might have done it deliberately! With admittedly not a single shred of evidence to support what he's saying. I might be able to understand if Palmeiro is truly mystified that he would try to offer up a variety of excuses to try to clear his name just as every other player that tested positive has done. But to come right out and name names of the person he thinks is responsible? His crediblity in my book is very suspect to begin with and I'm finding it even harder to believe his claims when he calls out Tejada by name without any proof other than that Tejada gave him a B-12 shot.

What about the other players who Tejada gave B-12 shots? or Tejada himself? I haven't heard of any other players from the Baltimore Orioles who tested positive. It's entirely possible that's because none of them were tested or maybe some of them, even Tejada himself, were tested and their results were negative. We'll never know since only the positive test results become known when the players are suspended. But I would think that if Tejada was deliberately and routinely injecting his teammates with steroids disguished as vitamin B-12 shots that there might be a few other positive tests for steroids.

In addition, what's Tejada's motive for taking it upon himself to inject his teammates with steroids? Because he cares so much about his teammates that he wanted to give them every advantage possible? For the good of the team so that they would play better? Because he had an evil plot in which he wanted his teammates to test positive so that they would get in trouble? None of that makes sense to me. Illegial steroid use is serious business and someone who distributes or administers steroids could get into some serious trouble. The Balco case is proof of that. I don't see why Tejada would deliberately inject his teammates with steroids and risk getting caught at a time when the scrutiny of players as it relates to performance enhancers is far more than it ever has been. It simply doesn't add up.

What also doesn't make much sense is Palmeiro continuing to insist that he has no clue how the steroids he tested positive for got into his body or why he's continuing to accuse a former teammate of being responsible without any proof.

http://www.aplaceformyphotos.com/blog/archives/2005/12/

Miguel Odalis Tejada was born on May 25, 1976, in the Dominican Republic. His mother’s name was Mora, his father’s name was Daniel. The youngest of 11 children, Miguel grew up in the town of Bani, population about 100,000, an hour or so southwest of the capital of Santo Domingo. In 1979, the family’s small home and all their belongings were swept away by Hurricane David, which devastated the island. They were forced to retreat to the slums that lined the fringes of the city, where they lived in a rickety three-room shack. There was no running water or electricity.

As soon as he was old enough, Miguel went to work. He was begging at age three, shining shoes at age six, and later helped his father on construction jobs. When his mother died in 1988, Miguel went to work in a garment factory, making a few cents an hour so the family could survive.

http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Tejada/Tejada_bio.html

Peaches ... a perfect day curl up on the couch with a good book with your favorite music playing softly in the background.

I think the perfect person to tell the truth would be Joran van der Sloot ... he knows the whole story.

I pray that the counselling Joran is receiving at that institution where he is currently residing will convince him that he will never have peace of mind and be able to move on with life until he tells all ... pleads forgiveness from those he has wronged ... accepts the related consequences and ... then makes positive choices which will change the direction of his life.

Peaches ... you and I are believer in miracles ....

Janet

What did Simian say?...America's favorite passtime? ::MonkeyConfused::

Sorry. ::MonkeyConfused:: It was Sidney Ponson.

Good Morning my fine...fine...cage mates!

Hoping today frings fresh fodder, for all us Monkeys to pick apart...

 ::MonkeyShocked::

SS ... I bet there is a connection.  That caffeine from my morning coffee has not yet done its job but ... when the cobwebs clear I am going to think about this.

Janet

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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby
April 6, 2006

TWITTY:  ... So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/

Interresting article in todays Diario:

Famia cu yamada pa polis: Please, bin atende caso di hortamento di cabrito        
Saturday, 12 April 2008 
ORANJESTAD (AAN) – Na Vader Piet, banda di e asina yama “Tunel of Love” tin un cunuco unda cu un famia ta biba y cuida di su bestianan. Den e famia aki tambe tin un miembro cu ta lamentablemente ta uza droga y cu no ta biba den e rancho, pero si den e vecindario.

Antayera, e mucha homber aki a subi bais y a bay na rancho di su rumannan bisa nan cu tin hende ta hortando e bestianan pa nan yama polis. Nan a yama polis durante dos dia consecutivo pero nunca autoridad a presenta.

E famia ta sospecha di e mesun ruman cu ta uza droga. Nan ta kere cu e tambe ta complice pasobra e no a tuma number di auto unda nan a subi e bestianan. Nan a ripara cu pa drenta den e rancho e ladronnan a uza pinza pa corta e porta di e cura di tranchi, y nan a bin haya un pinza den e cura di e lugar unda nan ruman ta biba.

E biaha aki, pasobra no ta e prome sino e di dos biaha, nan a horta 40 cabrito, 1 ganso y 1 pato. E sobrina di e rumannan aki tambe ta traha den e cunuco unda e ta cuida di e bestianan y e ta masha desapunta y tristo. El a bira hopi emocional pasobra en total nan a bay cu casi 80 cabrito.

E prome hortamento tabata na Januari. Nan kier a haci un yamada na polis pa por fabor bin atende e caso aki.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1860&Itemid=30

Through pap translator:

family cu call for polis: please, come atende caso of hortamento of cabrito
 saturday, 12 april 2008

 oranjestad (aan) – at vader piet, near of the so calling “tunel or love” have one cunuco where cu one family live y cuida of his bestianan. in the family here also have one acolyte cu is alas is employ drugs y cu not live in the rancho, but if in the vecindario. the day before yesterday, the boy here owing to lever bike y owing to bay at rancho of his rumannan tell they cu have person is hortando the bestianan for they calling police. they owing to calling police during two day consecutivo but never autoridad owing to present. the family is sospecha of the same brother cu is employ drugs. they're believe cu the also is complice because the not did take number of car where they owing to lever the bestianan. they owing to ripara cu for enter in the rancho the ladronnan owing to employ pinza for clip the door of the cura of tranchi, y they owing to come achieve one pinza in the cura of the lugar where they brother live. the trip here, because do not the first but the of two trip, they owing to steal 40 cabrito, 1 ganso y 1 duck. the sobrina of the rumannan here also is work in the cunuco where the is cuida of the bestianan y the is very desapunta y tristo. past owing to become much emocional because provided that overall they owing to bay cu casi 80 cabrito. the first hortamento was at january. they wanted owing to haci one call at police for can please come atende the caso here. come across

One of the photos from the article: ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Diario041208.jpg)

 

Klaas...I too was at Diario online this morn...found this in the editorials section...it had todays' date on the online paper...but, the article didn't...I'm sure this has been posted here already...but I brought it over anyway...

 NATALEE…Y E FARSANTENAN!       PDF        Print        E-mail
Monday, 21 January 2008

Ta tempo pa e farsantenenan cu ta pulula manera musca entorno e caso lamentable di Natalee desentende nan mes di dje, y lague keda circumscribi na loke tin para den e procesverbaalnan policial. Fuera di nan, ken cu ta por specula, pretende di papia cu spirito, scucha voznan di ultratumba, enfin, bin cu delaster ridiculez posible. Esnan cu kier sa loke a pasa cu Natalee mester lesa tur e procesverbaalnan cu e intergadornan a traha despues di a scucha cada un di e tres sospechosonan, ademas di e tata di Joran y e cantidad di testigonan di interes pa polis.

 

Trece spiritistanan estilo Yomanda, o Negro Felipe, o Maria Lionza ta propio di hendenan cu ta biba den un mundo aleha di realidad. Y pa esnan cu no sa, un “spiritista” ta un persona cu ta kere den e doctrina cu e spirito di e mortonan por drenta den comunciacion cu e bibonan. Segun mi por a compronde, Rudy Croes parce di ta un creyente di tal doctrina.

E realidad di e caso ta, sinembargo, cu Natalee a desaparece ora cu e tabata den compania di tres sospechoso: Joran, Deepak y Satish! Punto! Ningun otro persona a bin padilanti pa bisa cu e sa concretamente kico a pasa cu e mucha muher, y no tabata tin ni un solo persona durante mas di dos aña y mey desde su desaparicion cu a constata cu evidencia irefutable cu e sa kico a pasa cu Natalee, ni unda e of su restonan ta. Di cu e por ta bibo? E ta un posibilidad cu ta sigui existi mientras no haya algun evidencia concreto cu e ta morto, pero mayoria di nos cu conoce e pormenornan di e caso ta convenci cu e mucha no ta na bida mas.

Mi a tende y lesa tanto disparate ultimamente cu tin biaha mi ta puntra mi mes si pa ocupa un puesto di Ministro e unico credencial cu bo tin mester ta un diploma den bobedad. Pa e Ministro di Husticia aparece na television den un di su arankenan emocional pasobra dos “spiritista” a bin cu un tou di invento tocante Natalee, mi no por pensa riba nada otro sino cu e ta indicativo di e nivel di inteligencia cu ta domina den e gobierno actual. Mi ta compronde e frustracion di e mandatarionan den ausencia di un solucion di e caso, pero loke mi no por compronde ni ta acepta tampoco ta e intento constante di Gobierno pa purba desvia atencion di e berdadero sospechosonan, navegando den e mundo di spiritonan cu e farsantenan cu un di nan mes a trece.

Lagami pone algun punto riba e “i” nan, pa despeha e dudanan cu e conversadornan cu ultratumba lo a trece padilanti:
1. Natalee no tabata na estado! No tin ningun constancia medico na Merca cu ta confirma cu e tabata embaraza! Al contrario, su docter na Alabama cu tabata haci su examennan medico anual rutinario a samine poco prome cu el a bin Aruba y no a constata ningun clase di embarazo!
2. Natalee no tabata usa droga! Nunca el a ingresa den un clinica pa rehabilitacion! Bisa lo contrario ta propio di hendenan cu no ta tuma e molester di check cu e profesionalnan di medicina den su comunidad pa haya sa e berdad! Nos si a hacie!
3. Natalee nunca a bay for di cas pa ningun motibo! E storianan cu e lo a huy for di su hogar den pasado ta otro invento di mentenan fertil of enfermo, cazadornan di sensacionalismo cu den ausencia di confirmacion, ta invente. E cuartelnan di polis consulta unda e tabata biba no tin ningun clase di evidencia cu e lo a bay for di cas den cualke ocasion!

Awor, ban mira ki clase di persona Natalee tabata di berdad. E tabata un studiante cu tabata saca puro “A” na school, o sea e ekivalente di un averahe di 10 den nos sistema! E tabata loke nan ta yama un “straight A student”! E no tabata anda cu amiganan of amigonan promiscuo. E tabata bay atende misa regulamente cu un of e otro di su mayornan biologico. E tabata activo riba tereno social den su comunidad. E tabata un mucha muher serio cu bista riba su futuro, cu e kier a dedica na e practica di medicina. Tur esaki a ser confirma na nos pa e profesionalnan cu tabata atende!
Kico a pase na Aruba? Di con el a desvia di e perfil anterior pa drenta un auto cu tres persona cu e no tabata conoce a fondo? Demasiado bebida, of el a ser droga? Un bartender di e club unda e tabata e anochi fatal ey a constata cu dos di e tres sospechosonan mester a practicamente lastre hiba e auto pasobra e tabata tambaleando. Otro testigonan a confirma cu no ta nada straño cu nan lo a pone un droga den un di su bebidanan pa suaviza su entrega. Sea loke sea a debilita su defensanan e anochi ey, ta e tres sospechosnan cu tabata cune por suminstra nos cu e contestanan adecuado. Como cu mi no tin e custumbra di specula, mi no ta bay hacie awor tampoco.

Lo unico cu mi kier a pone na cla ta cu e farsantenan cu ta dialoga cu spirito no tin bida cerca mi, pasobra mi no ta kere den e ficcion di contactonan cu ultratumba. Y mi ta bise sin ningun cinismo, pero guia, no pa “Guiding Light”, sino pa e luz di un berdad pragmatico!

Hi Klaas and Monks...

I'm not totally sure what the whole Tunnel ofDrugs Love is all about - what else is new????

I do see they called the polis and the jackasses never showed up... typical... and wishing for ATYPICAL.

EDIT TO ADD

come across.

Fabric from Natalee's blouse????

Janet

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Fabric - Boca Tortuga
SCARED MONKEYS
June 18, 2006

What did the Aruba Park Ranger pick up at Boca Tortuga area? Fabric that matched Natalee’s Top?

What ever happened to this material? Why didn’t the media camera man take a close up of what so closely resembled the green fabric of Natalee’s top? One would have thought that they would have zoomed right in to see what had been collected.

On Sunday, July 17, 2005 the park rangers found the duct tape with long blonde hair in the Boca Tortuga area of Aruba. A park ranger being video’d walking around picks up a piece of fabric that matches Natalee’s top.

The question still remains today, what ever happened to this evidence that was collected? We also need to remember that this material that was found washed ashore following the hurricanes that took place last summer. It is highly possibly that the material washed ashore from another location on the island or from out at sea.

View fabric images:

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/06/18/what-did-the-aruba-park-ranger-pick-up-at-boca-tortuga-area-fabric-that-matched-natalees-top/
 

I grabbed the shot from the Diario and blew it up to 200 % and cropped it. I would guess this is a fabric or net. No way to really tell.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/TunnelofLovedebris2.jpg)

Rob!...you found all the *missing* evidence....shirt...shoulder bone...hand bone...torn up PVs...just kidding LOL...

Hi Des -
Well there is a shovel there and all we need now is the three / four sweaty boys and a body and the case will be solved.

And who the heck steals a duck? I do admit they are extremely tasty when the skin is nice and crispy and with some orange sauce.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

now I'm hungry for Chinese food.

It was claimed by Aruban authorities that what appeared to be fabic which could have come from Natalee's blouse was ... fishnetting.

When you consider the floats which are also in the image ... maybe ... just maybe ... Aruban authorities were being truthful.  We will never know.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::
 
Janet

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Jossy Mansur
DANA SHOW
June 18, 2006

MANSUR: It does look very familiar to what she was wearing, but I'm unable to confirm it, we would have to go search for the fabric itself which has disappeared since. Every piece of evidence or what appears to be evidence has disappeared or we never heard about it again.
 

Good morning everyone!

Thanks for the closeup Rob!  Your guess is as good as mine on the green object.  Looks like some drug paraphernalia also. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hi Texasmom, maybe that's not a shovel and is a spoon for cooking some of Daury's special "H".

As if all of the known drugs the chollers use on Aruba isn't bad enough, but if you add an addicted population to Heroin, you have the makings of a catastrophe.

ohhh, who am I kidding, that would be a step forward.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Rob ... you are just saying that so I will let my guard down and leave my Ducky unattended.  It is not going to happen.

I am positive that all the Monkeys in this cage are coveting my Ducky.  I am sure Klaas rues the day she gave him to me.  This is why I take him home with me each night.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Hi Janet
I must have lost my manners and forgot there were "others" here that might not like my growling stomach!!! LOL

Rob, I thought a spoon and possibly some sort of pipe to the right.  But then I thought the spoon is used to make the drug liquid for injection..., but maybe they are shooting and smoking at the same time, heck they're probably snorting and eating it too!  I think it would probably be very interesting to test a hair sample of all of the government officials and see what shows up.  Would probably explain the "root" of the problems that island has.   
 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

I'm a Chef...I cook the most awsome...tender on the inside...crispy on the outside duck you've ever put in your mouth...but, I wouldn't touch Janets' ducky with a ten foot pole....I value my life!

BTW...I soooo happy...found a nice new updated list of phone numbers for me to call!!!

http://www.kparuba.com/contacts.html

Funny duck story but true.  I have a warped sense of humor.

Years ago we had two ducks ... kids' pets and ... then in time ... there were ten ducks that hatched.  They really are messy birds.  Duck doo doo all over our property.

My hubby worked with a Chinese fella who loved to eat duck.  We were going to be out but my husband told him but ... my husband told him he was welcome to come and ... collect the young birds.  The kids would not consider parting with the original ducks.  Anyways ... the meat would only have been good for stewing.

We came home ... there were two ducks waddling around but ... one duck was a youngster.  In other words ... one of our kids' pets had been taken in error.

My hubby immediate phoned his friend ... his wife answered the phone.  When my hubby explained the situation ... all he heard was the phone dropping and ... the wife screaming.  Then everything was quiet for about two minutes.  The wife came back to the phone and ... said two words ... TOO LATE.  Her husband had been out in the back yard doing the terrible deed.

Quaker was no more.

Janet

omg... that's terrrrrrible Janet.  ::MonkeyEek:: poor crispy skinned orange sauced little fella.

 ::MonkeyDance:: Yep, you hit the jackpot with that list! Go for it Sista! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::

makes me wish I had a robo dialer...lmao!!!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

 :smt022  Now that's sad....poor Quaker. 

another photo

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/TunnellofLovedebris4.jpg)

Rob, between you and Destiny....Babylon could "shake" like never before! ::MonkeyDance::

Daury was arrested on March 7th (or 6th).  According to CAPS, he was coming to NJ to play poker.  I wonder if this was where he was headed.  Is there a connection with Bally's and Aruba? ::MonkeyConfused::

Bally's Entertainment & Promotions - March 2008
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3 Card Poker Tournament

Date: Friday, March 7th, 2008
Time: 7:00 PM
Venue: The Casino

Three Card Poker Tournaments

Buy-in is just $80 + $20 entry fee, with grand prize of $5,000.

So get your game over to the Wild Wild West tournament area at 7 p.m. and begin writing Bally's history.
 
http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/thread/Bally-039-s-Entertainment-amp-Promotions-March-2008-14218.htm

How about a connection to Caesar's?  This sounds like a big tournament.

World Series of Poker Circuit - Harrah’s Atlantic City
Caesar’s Atlantic City, New Jersey (USA)
March 5 – 15, 2008

http://www.tourneyblog.com/category/Land-Tournaments/Brick--Mortar-Tournament-Calendar--March-2008/

I haven't beem able to find Daury anywhere in the poker rankings.

texasmom ... I know it should be sad but ... everytime I think about this incident or ... relate it to someone ... I burst out laughing.  Obviously ... I did not have an emotional connection to these birds.

Janet

My 70 pound puppy has a stuffed toy duck that looks exactly like
Janet's Ducky....and it quacks  It is a big toy, but it is his favortie
thing and he takes it everywhere.
We went to get gas for the lawnmower the other day and I came
out of the gas station and there was a group of 4 people gathered
around my car making pictures with their cell phones.
I was a little concerned until I saw, Hudson, the 70 pound puppy,
sitting behind the steering wheel with his Ducky.......
the feet hanging out one side of his mouth and the head hanging out the other.

These are Joran's 2008 online poker stats. ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

::MonkeyHaHa::

Interseting...yesterday, I posted in the Shango thread...about an online poker tourny, with MUCH higher stakes...and when certain players reached a certain level of winnings...they were assigned to *the Lions Den* for continued  play...also there was an onlyline poker site...now link doesn't work....called www.thelionsdengaming.com   just fodder I'm tossing out...I'll find the post..here it is...

From Shango Thread yesterday
was surfing and found an expired poker/gaming site...was let there by searching some Aruba stuff.  www.lionsdengaming.com
site name has expired.  but it also let me to this. another online poker site that mentions the Lions Den...what if the Lions Den was/is a group of high stakes online poker players...yes, I have scrambled brains today...LOL

Bay 101 Shooting Stars Event; End of Day 1; San Jose, CA
Wednesday, 01 March 2006
 

Oh man, people, I am tired. My eyes are burning and my brain is mushy. We' re talking cream of wheat up there...with buttah.

Today certainly took it's toll on everyone's psyche. We finished up tonight at 11, and the troops were hurting. Everyone was pretty exhausted, but obviously stoked to still be alive.

The day started slowly and our table quickly became a battle between Fabrice Soulier and me. Unfortunately for me, I won the medium pots and Fab took down the monsters. This was exacerbated by the fact that I grossly misplayed two hands and ending up dumping quite a few chips off to him. Luckily for me we parted ways after about halfway through the day and so I only had to be his bitch for about 4 hours. On a sidenote, Tuan Le was our "star" and I got the chance to bust him and pick up the $5000 on his head. That made the event 50% cheaper for me, which was sweet. It sucked a little though, as Tuan is a part of our extended family and a good friend of mine. He had $5000 stamped on his head though! Sometimes you gotta take out your vietnamese brothers for that kind of cash, baby.

When I left my first table I was somehow sitting on about 28,000 chips, but then was moved into the lion's den. I had Dan Harrington, Isabelle Mercier, Nenad Medic, and Chris Grigorian at my new table. Talk about a brutal upgrade in competition. Ouch!

I got lucky enough somehow to build my stack up to about 66,000 fairly quickly when I ended up getting Dan all-in with against my . Yahtzee! We had built a massive pot as well, totaling about 38,000! I...was...stoked. Big time bad news for me though as Dan found the

     

It isn't Jamie's car. I've seen a pic of that. Do you have Gregory Tromps car.
This is suppose to be Deepaks car from the survellience video of Diamonds International.

 I can't bring the chart over.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

joran_sloot player profile
 
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    MTT MTT SNG HU Satellite Overall
 
Winnings: $650.40 $30.24 $0.00 $0.00 $680.64
 
Est. Buyins:     
 
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Biggest Cash: $183.82   Average Cash: $48.62   
 
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  http://www.bluffmagazine.com/thepokerdb/joran%
 
Streak Statistics
 
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Longest Non-Cash Streak:  36
 
Streak statistics describe how often a player has "in the money" and "out of the money" streaks. For example, if a player has a 5 in the "2" column in the "Cash" row, that means the player has 5 instances of being in the money 2 times in a row. If you see a 10 in the "7" column in the "Non-Cash" row, that means the player has 10 instances of being out of the money 7 times in a row. For your convenience, we also list the longest "Non-Cash" streak that a player has experienced.
 
 http://www.bluffmagazine.com/thepokerdb/joran%255Fsloot/PokerStars/1863986/player-profile.asp
   
 

Just wanted to say DESTINY you're a hoot.

Here you go SS

Nice find btw


(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1648/joranpokerstatsjh0.jpg)

I cannot comprehend why Daury took the chance and ... entered the US.  It would make sense that his three relatives who had been detained in January would have warned him.

hotping phoned somewhere and was able to obtain the information regarding the date of Daury's detainment.

Cap's post implied that Daury was came to the US for a poker tournament.

Janet

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Quote from: hotping on April 11, 2008, 01:46:22 AM

Daury Daniel Rodriguez was Booked into he Hudson County Jail on March 7 2008 this is all that  They would tell Me at this time....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372878;topicseen#msg372878


Quote from: CapsLockWizard on April 10, 2008, 11:16:05 PM
 
The info will be here short..

First his name is not Daury. that is his call name at home and everyone cal him so

Second. He was going to a poken tournament....<<<<GAMBLING>>>> Associating to who.

Third. his mother is in New Jersey.

Fourh: Lives in Catiri and Moko.   will be checked. lives between his step father house and mother house.

and is a poker gambler. 

more later.....
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372817#msg372817

(http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1648/joranpokerstatsjh0.jpg)

Quaker the quacker???? ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh...gosh...I hope that's a good thing Kermie...

Kerm, I don't think Carpe is having much luck locating the video you have requested. I emailed him early this morning to follow-up and haven't heard back yet.

My mistake ... typing error.  The names of our pet duck and gander were ... Quacker and Waddles.

If it had not been for our two eldest kids' attachment to these birds ... I think they would have been gone within a week after we agree to take them from neighbours who were moving.

They are so noisy ... so messy and ... at the time we had two beagles that we had to protect these birds from.  What was so ironic ... the two birds had the run of the property ... they never took off.  The beagles where in a fenced in area.

Janet

CAPS says that Duary is a house name.  Could this be our Daury Daniel Rodriguez?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Here are some important miscellaneous details pertaining to the 2007 Chicago No-Limit Poker Grand Championship:

1) The players eligible for the Grand Championship are:
Ahmad Ahmad, Nate Beal, James Choi, Don Crosbie, Bret Dale, Matthew Dex, Iwona Filuciak, Joe Fitzgerald, Brian Fons, merri Furlong, Jared Gunn, Chris Heina, Matt Hollinger, Rebecca Hollinger, Ritta Jilwaya, Jim Kasmer, Milton Kwan, Chris Lackore, Jennifer Lewkowicz, Maverick Marquee, Tony Matthews, Diana Migala, Erion Postoli, Fabian Ramos, Daniel Rodriguez, John rogers, Joe Rondon, Ken Rubio, Edgar Sandoval, Larry Shaw, James Sodergren, Yoel SOmmer, Chris Turner, Rob Vinson, and Neville White.

http://poker.meetup.com/13/messages/boards/thread/2362474

This is his photograph from the 2007 Chicago poker group.  It looks like he is now inactive because he hasn't been there for over 12 months.
http://poker.meetup.com/13/members/3199763/

When will Joran tell the truth?  What if he has told the truth and those around him continue to insist he lies?  How will he ever change his life for the better?

If Joran has told the truth, will Daury ever come forward with the words that will return Natalee Holloway to her family?

 ::MonkeyDance::


I find it strange that a Daury Daniel Rodriguez was booked into the jail but ... Daury was not in italics.  According to the website where hotping obtain the arrest information ... alias are to be italicized.  This leads me to believe the Daury is a given name.

IMO.

Janet

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Quote from: hotping on April 11, 2008, 12:46:17 AM

Here is a Daury in NJ

VINE Service Number: (877) 846-3465    Return to Search Results 
Offender Details
Offender Record
Offender ID: 0900280301 Offender Name: DAURY DANIEL RODRIGUEZ Date of Birth: 06/28/1986 Age: 21 Custody Status: In Custody Location of Offender: Hudson County Jail Race: Hispanic Gender: Male

www.vinelink.com

Agency Description:Hudson County Jail Address 1:595 Newark Ave. Address 2:City:Jersey City State/Province:NJ Zip Code:07306 County:Hudson Phone:(973) 491-5794

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2769.msg372845#msg372845

Janet  - I agree.  Looks like Capslock's source could be wrong about Daury's name. 

On a previous thread, someone asked about a problem with another board.  My words may get me in trouble, but I will share them -

I think there are problems with every forum and board.  There is no such thing as a perfect board or forum.  Some have bigger issues than others, none are perfect.  There are no perfect words, no perfect lies.

There was a phrase going around early in this case, something about a rope of three cords is hard to break.  I see three forums/boards that seem to keep Natalee Holloway from being forgotten, they include Scared Monkeys, BFN, and RU. 

All of these cords is very organic, with many threads (like Freebirds, FOB2, and other secret hidey holes).

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I also think that Tamikosmom and others are really the biggest supporters of J2K and Aruba.  Without someone to keep track of the words and pictures, Natalee might have been old news by now.  These are good people that seem to know (from what I've read) that it is often easier to avert your eyes to something that is wrong, than it is to do the right thing.  It is harder (as a parent too) to stand tall and do the right thing.  It is often harder to teach some lessons to children than others. 

Who will learn if there are no teachers?

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I'm sorry...maybe not enough coffee yet...but, I don't understand this part...in red...could you please explain it better for me....TIA

Destiny

I did some mor work on it and it is fabric from what appears to be NH clothes.
jackb

He looks like he would be the nicest kid.  Maybe that is why he gets away with things.  j/b

The cage segment of the Dateline special has been discussed extensively by Monkeys but ... there was another segment of that special that has been ignored ... a segment which I have been unable to shake.

As I adhere to the landfill theory ... I do not believe that Natalee's remains were disposed of until the first week of June.

If Natalee's remains were taken out to sea ... it makes sense that somebody was paid to make sure that the disposal was far enough away from Aruba to ensure the sea would never reveal its secret.

Janet

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The search for Natalee Holloway
Dateline - NBC
February 22, 2008

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Dave Holloway: He said, "I’d done some wrongs in my past," and he said, "This is my way of making all of my wrongs and all of my sins and doing something right."

Dave was skeptical, but the phone and e-mail messages continued.

In them was a wild tale involving drug runners who said that on the night Natalee disappeared someone had paid them to take her body and dump it at sea.

They agreed but instead they took her remains with them to Nicaragua and hid them on a remote strip of the Atlantic coast.

Dave Holloway: It was a little bit far-fetched for me.

Chris Hansen: What did he want in return?

Dave Holloway: He told us he didn't want anything. And that is what part I started believing in this guy. I said we've got a reward out here.

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up.

Marcos: I didn't live an, um, exemplary life. I did a lot of wrong things and maybe this is just one way of trying to even up the, the score a little bit.

Marcos wouldn't allow his face to appear on camera, but he agreed to talk to Miller and even officials from the US embassy.

Chris Hansen: And what was the person from the embassy's take?

Tim Miller: The person from the embassy said, "You know what? I think we may have something here."

Together, Miller and Marcos came up with a plan: Marcos would take a GPS receiver to the location and leave it there. Miller, accompanied by local officials would follow the signal to the location and begin to dig.

The next morning Miller's phone rang. It was Marcos. The search, he said, had been a success. But there had been a change in plans. He had the body and would bring it to them in Managua.

Marcos: Tonight before the sun is up, we will be in Managua.

Tim Miller: He says that she was wrapped in a blanket and her body fell apart. He said, "but we had to put her in two ice chests." And he actually said, "call Mr. Holloway right now and tell him I’ve got Natalee."

Chris Hansen: So what do you do?

Tim Miller: I did not call Dave Holloway to say I have the body.

Chris Hansen: You've been down that road before.

Tim Miller: I’ve been down that road before.

Chris Hansen: Did you believe him?

Tim Miller: This time, I believed him.

But after waiting all night for Marcos to appear at the arranged location -- nothing.

Marcos never appeared again and Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are convinced Marcos pulled off an incredibly cruel hoax.

Dave Holloway: How would somebody stoop so low to do something like this?

Chris Hansen: How hurtful is that, when somebody does that to you?

Dave Holloway: Very hurtful. In fact, that was -- it's a wonders I’ve not had a major heart attack and died, you know.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/


Dave Holloway
NANCY GRACE
April 24, 2006

GRACE: Well, Dave Holloway, aren`t there logs and isn`t there surveillance in place in Aruba of all the ships that go out of the tiny island, even at night?

HOLLOWAY: Well, there is but on one of those nights, I think it was June the 7th or June the 8th, the electricity went out on the island for about two hours so you wonder if that would have been the prime opportunity to do it. Small boats, I don`t think, can be picked up as well as the big ones.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/24/ng.01.html

Thanks ... I think.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

Janet,

I am also absolutely haunted by the Marcos story.  Dave would not have been so involved with it, if he too didn't think that there was something valid to it.

WhiskeyGirl .... my objective has to be Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus and Aruba's bigging nightmare.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Off to a movie ... Nim's Island ... with grandsons (9/10) with my longtime friend/neighbour and her grandaughter (8).

Have a good afternoon Monkeys.

Janet
11:45 AM

Tamikosmom...would you happen to have any idea on the time-frame that Ooman was Deepak Kalpoe's lawyer?

Google is not co-operating with me this afternoon....TIA

Every single time we get "close" to the truth, another "diversion" story pops up. The "Marcos" story was right in the midst of The Persistence finding the cage. I tend to think it means the "cage" story is where we need to focus. MOO

Rob there are other things in that pic beside the cloth.  I remember the tunnel of love site that was searched and they said they found nothing of interest the best I can remember or something of someone elses.  It was one burial site, I am inclined to believe.   jack/b

Do the cloth part like that and the other side of the board with the tools.  You will plainly see what I am talking about.  j/b

That little piece does look like net, but the other has definite heats and stripes.  Also looks as if part of some more of the cloth is covereing at least part of a body.  jack/b

I very much agree!!!!!!!!  It could *stir* the whole pot...

Destiny

Here's another little blog I haven't seen before  ::MonkeyWink::

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http://maryspritecasey.blogspot.com/2006/05/welcomelove-it-or-leave-itthe-truth-is.html

Thanks ******* ;-)

Hi Klaas...any word yet?

No not a word

It is sad to think, but I believe anything discussed in some of those hotel rooms are overheard because the coverup is so extensive the criminals protect themselves and know who is talking and take care of business.  I would not even talk in a rental car, as the Jansens own one (or did) car rental place at the airport.  They have gotten in too deap not to use technology to aid them in a continuing coverup.  I would never have discussed anything in Brickell Bay owned by some of the suspect people in this coverup.  In a situation like this you have no friends unless they are homegrown, and then nothing is certain.  j/b

OK...I'll give it a shot:

Home made knife....spoon for cooking up....pliers for ?...twisted netting for tying off...guess in the dark...maybe pliers for wrapping in twisted netting for tying off....

on what?

TY...am ready on my end...if...it comes in...

Edited to add...handle on home made knife apears/looks like bone....what think you jackb?...just playing in my own mind at this point....

Destiny wanted me to ask Red about something but I haven't been able to get ahold of him.

This report from Dan Riehl spoke of two murders around June 18th 2005 Was the bank employee that Paul Van Der Sloot met with on June 30th also murdered? Was it the same day as Rene Van Heyningen?

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Aruba: Decapitation Story Confirmed
Monday, June 20, 2005 from RWV
http://tinyurl.com/356pdl

A reliable source on the island of Aruba has confirmed reports of a recent murder / decapitation, and also confirmed reports of another murder currently under investigation in Aruba. A third report regarding a possible new missing person report filed today has not been confirmed at this time.

Additionally, sources close to the Natalee Holloway investigation have indicated to me that there appear to be serious problems developing in establishing a consistent time lime of events surrounding Natalee's disappearance. Problems stem from conflicts among stories by those being questioned, a growing list which now includes  Father of Joran v d Sloot, Paulus v d Sloot.

It's possible that the time line as presented by the elder vd Sloot does not fit with other knowable facts in the case, resulting in his having been brought back for additional questioning.
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Ruth Gisela Dijkhoff-Holtmann
17 May 1955 - 18 Jun 2005
http://www.mementomori.net/05148.html

Rene Van Heyningen
12 January 1973 - 18 June 2005

looks like Oduber will be on TeleAruba tomorrow to explain the financial situation. I bet that's going to be a doozie of a broadcast.

www.24ora.com

I also see a rocket car at the drag strip... somehow a rocket car and Aruba just don't seem to go together....it's like the fabled Aruban Astronaut program  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just thought it was interesting that on June 10th the one person Joran wanted to speak to was Valentijn. Why is that? Also in case you have wondered Joran is 1.96 meters tall or 6.43 feet. Often occuring crimes district? 20 times before?

Joran June 10th 2005 PV
Snip

PROCES VERBAAL (second interview with Joran van der Sloot)
We, Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes, head-officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned is attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section Often Occurring Crimes District 2, declare following.

To your question as to whether on May 30th in the nightly hours, I found it too cramped on the backseat to finger the missing girl "Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY", I answer you that Deepak and Satish put forward their seats because they are not tall. With the seats moved forward I get more room to sit properly. I myself am 1.96 meters tall.

To you question as to whether I am under treatment from a doctor, I answer you that I am not. I am being treated by a dentist because I have toothache. I am also under treatment of a psychologist. This because I felt bad about the fact that the girl had gone missing. Before the girl went missing I was also under treatment of a psychologist. This was because I had taken 50 euros from my father, and also took money from my mother.  And I used my brother's mobile phone without asking for permission, and after that I broke the chip from his mobile phone. I also once fought with my brother in Miami but we are good friends now. My brother is 15 years old and his name is "Valentijn". He is the one I would like to talk to.

right and the investigators apparently found that out by reading the PV and spoke to him more than years later . . . nice!

I was MIA for March and the beginning of April. I spent hours going through Diario for that period, up through 04/10/08, and compiled quite a few articles.  (Of course I look mostly for murder & crime ... ) But for some reason I am not able to post it – and neither was klaas. So I’m breaking it down into several smaller posts.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1424&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1424&Itemid=30)

This IDs the man fatally injured in a horrific traffic accident. Sounds as though some charges might be forthcoming.


Online Pap translation:

juan bernardo ras owing to die in accidente fateful
monday, 10 march 2008

oranjestad(aan): juan bernardo ras owing to become the of six dead in trafico insigur at aruba.
juan bernardo ras naci at aruba 03-12-1951 live at hill patrishi 308 owing to ocasiona the desgracia east of aeropuerto on the caminda principal y owing to fayece also.

the was bahando for of san nicolas where past owing to lose control strike in one brommer lagando the motociclista injury cu fracturanan earnest at his pianan.

also we can did take notice cu the car maneha for juan bernardo ras owing to strike also in one chevrolet epica frontal y after the same mustang of juan bernardo ras owing to bay bolter in the cura of wayaca 9.

all cos is show cu the car owing to bolter sacando the chofer.

in the boltermento apparently the car owing to happen on juan bernardo ras cu the consecuencia fateful.
at arrival at hospital doctor not can owing to haci nothing pe.

police owing to achieve one rijbewijs in car y owing to base of this they owing to bay at the adres, but not owing to succeed achieve person or not owing to succeed arise none person.

after finalmente owing to succeed arise the family caminda cu they owing to present in careda of 4’or at hospital saturday marduga where owing to notificanan of the caso where they being keri owing to lose his life tragicamente. the curpa owing to being take in beslag. paz at his restonan.

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duh.... ya need to add a number Robert!!

Hey *******, do you think Ruth Dijkhoff was murdered??? that seems to say two people were murdered on the same day... that only leaves Ruth as the other murdered person.

or the Aruba brain trust mis-reported her cause of death and were confused who died how.. make sense?

Thanks msmarple!

This probably has been posted already.

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1543&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1543&Itemid=30)

Valero plant closing, probably by end of year.



Online Pap translation:

valero energy corp, can is close of throw of we refineria
friday, 14 march 2008

oranjestad (aan): valero energy corp cu his base at san antonio, is close of throw of his refineria “krotz spring”, because; also refineria of aruba y memphis.

this according boss ehecutivo of valero bill klesse, during meeting of national petrochemical and refiners association.
klesse owing to tell reuters news agency cu his compania the ricibi interest of cumpradornan potencial for plantanan at ardmore y paulsboro.

according the boss ehecutivo, muy probably for end of year, the refinerianan of krotz springs, of memphis y of aruba, will is bendi.

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and welcome back!!!

It could just be a broken knife....fixed with duct tape....I don't think the fabric is Natalee's shirt.....IMO....the color green is too dark....

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1562&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1562&Itemid=30)

Altercation involving some minors at Oasis Bar. (I keep wondering why minors are at the bars, and then I remember, Oh, Aruba – DUH.)

Online Pap translation:

atracadornan instantaneamente wanted owing to change mercancia
saturday, 15 march 2008

oranjestad (aan): in careda of 8’or of night, police of distrito san nicolas owing to bay at height of oasis bar relaciona cu one atraco.

at arrival polisnan owing to come across y talk cu the boy of inicialnan owing a.g.r. naci at republica dominicana, y have 15 year of edad.

the young is splica polisnan cu the was canando in cercania the empresa union caribe. one man that past owing to reconoce because; one such “pudding” y one another malbado had one cuchio in hand. the two hombernan here owing to tell denunciante bao of menaza for her entrega his two cadenanan y his two renchinan of finger.

the young denunciante owing to haye in one angle without exit y obligatoriamente past owing to entrega the across from socialnan here his cadena y also the renchinan. after of the acto here, the ladronnan owing to tell the young victima if the entrega they 10 guilder they're debolbe two ring y one cadena.

here the young cu not was have another form for give the asaltantenan the suma of 10 guilder.

the atracadornan owing to entrega denunciante as they owing to priminti his two ring finger fuera the cadena. after of the acto here the two ladronnan owing to descend bay.

locual is the cadena cu the ladronnan owing to podera of dje have one value according the young of 2.000 guilder.

the caso is in hand of recherche y the such “pudding” do not scapa at hand of husticia debi cu the young victima owing to reconoce because; such.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1560&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1560&Itemid=30)

Just an odd little blurb ...


Online Pap translation:

enough sospechoso owing to present at huez comisario
saturday, 15 march 2008

oranjestad(aan): that owing to tell cu aruba not have problem cu criminalidad?

diabierna once more one cantidad big of sospechoso owing to present at edificio of corte of husticia at wayaca, for listen if they detencion will wordo prolonga or not.

is deal among another of hendenan acusa of maltrato severo, posesion y traficacion of drugs, because; also ladronicia.

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I am very suspicious because she was only 50 and was working at the bank just a couple weeks earlier when she met with Paul Van Der Sloot. It's not like she had a terminal disease or anything so it must have been a sudden death. It makes me even more suspicious seeing Dan Riehl say there were two confirmed murders around the same day. This from a island that procalims itself of having no crime and the safest in the carribean. Who was the second person murdered and was he talking about Sergio Gomez as the missing person? Was he found? Have anymore Mattresses been found soaked in dogs blood the last 34 months?

http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1643&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1643&Itemid=30)

America tourist drowns at Divi Divi beach.
 

Online Pap translation:

tourist owing to hoga on diabierna sand fast of divi divi
tuesday, 25 march 2008

oranjestad(aan): one tourist cu was disfrutando of his vacacion at aruba owing to die hoga diabierna nightfall.

the tourist of one edad high kedando at casa del mar was at aruba cu his madam y they owing to bay near of divi divi for disfruta of the lama y beach eybanda. diario owing to come across cu coordinador of actividadnan at divi divi that owing to tell cu they have one tarea very special in the dianan here for show cada tourist on the danger of the lama bruto.

so self have cu tog is enter water y cu all consecuencia. the tourist for of merca francis pierce owing to die hoga y doctor owing to present for constata dead.

police y ambulance owing to being notifica of the caso here where at arrival of ambulance some tourist cu owing to sake for of water owing to cuminsa dune first help at once. this tog not owing to help.

the madam owing to bay at once at casa del mar for cuminsa haci the preparacionnan for her funeraria can send the curpa back merca. paz at his restonan.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1640&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1640&Itemid=30)

Man found dead in his doorway at Tanki Leendert; being investigated.


Online Pap translation:

man owing to die in his cas at tanki leendert
tuesday, 25 march 2008

oranjestad(aan): one man cu owing to being achieve dead in his cas at tanki leendert owing to mobiliza autoridadnan at once. police owing to bay at the adres where he was dead casi at entrance mey mey in cas.

presencia of one doctor owing to being ask y mirando cu not can owing to saca afor du exactitud of kico the person owing to fayece owing to place cu recherché owing to present also for cuminsa one investigacion.

fiscal also owing to present at the adres y owing to let confisca the curpa of he without life for can analiza y saca afor the motibo exact of his dead. condolencia at family of the fayecido.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1668&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1668&Itemid=30)

Man tries to run down his ex-girlfriend (and I think her new boyfriend)) at Baby Beach; others nearby also possibly injured (much blood); apparently D.L. is being charged with attempted assassantion.


Online Pap translation:

chofer young is worde acusa of attempt of asesinato
wednesday, 26 march 2008

oranjestad (aan): ministerio publico owing to dicidi cu they're detene the young of inicial d.l., live at kudawecha, that was core cu one nissan sentra color blanco cu number a-44175, y cu monday night late intencionalmente owing to bay strike in one are of person stop near of caminda of baby beach. algun rato first, esnan eybanda self owing to conseha the young d.l. for her bay cas. the was much furious on asunto of celos.
they owing to bise cu his ex-amiga now have one amigo new, y esey not owing to cay in good ground close dje.

the was much angry at the lugar, but famianan owing to succeed domine y owing to bise for her bay cas for so tuesday they can talk trankil on the asunto.

that can owing to think cu d.l. owing to hinca in his cabez for return some rato after for so aim at his nissan sentra linea recta on his ex-amiga, y other hendenan eybanda.

one escena of terror is thing owing to queen eybao. the golpi owing to let the personanan injury, y blood owing to pour all caminda.

publico cu owing to see kico owing to happen, owing to give the chofer one sota, till cu past owing to stay enough good injury.

police owing to worde informa for 10:50 p.m. of the caso, y at once owing to mobiliza for her area. here they owing to come achieve one situation caotico, y cu much person eybao throw wardando yudanza medico.

owing to core ask presencia of ambulance for so transporta the heridonan for hospital. also owing to place recherche at height for cuminza investiga the caso of attempt of asesinato here.

the person that owing to resulta worse injury, is the chofer of car, that owing to bay direction for hospital cu the first ambulance. after owing to trece the another heridonan, incluyendo his ex-amiga.

ministerio publico all the time owing to dicidi at detene the young d.l. oficialmente.

on potretnan for cortesia of antoni gario, can see more of the caos cu owing to queen after of the incidente lamentable here.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1797&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1797&Itemid=30)

Triple murder of Lampe family, I think in their home ...


Online Pap translation:

today they're bury family lampe
thursday, 10 april 2008

oranjestad (aan)- one caso cu owing to sacudi aruba y owing to lage in shock is the caso of the triple asesinato cu did take lugar at santa cruz. the same night the three curpa owing to wordo poni in beslag y one brother owing to wordo deteni relaciona cu the caso hororoso here.

investigacionnan did take lugar during all weekend, caminda monday nightfall during one conferencia of prensa huez mos owing to declara cu the brother man e.l owing to admiti his culpabilidad relaciona cu the caso here. at self instant also they owing to entrega the curpanan at the family.

today tardi the acto of burial of sr. juancho, sra. aura y edvard lampe will take lugar caminda the restonan deadly will is reposa for of 1’or of afternoon in catholic inmaculata concepcion at sta. cruz.

daily paper is send his sincero condolencia at famianan of the fayecidonan y is desea they much forza in the dianan cu is follow.

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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1798&Itemid=30 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1798&Itemid=30)

Daury Rodriguez – apparently – interestingly the article never states his last name, or even "Daniel" – detained in America (New Jersey) in connecton with 8 kilos of heroin. That’s 17.64 pounds. (I know this already has been posted.)


Online Pap translation:

daury is deteni on suspicion of posesion of 8 kilo of heroin
thursday, 10 april 2008
*droga not owing to worde achieve on dje sinembargo
*segun fbi, daury know more of desaparicion of natalee oranjestad

(aan): informacion confiable cu daily paper owing to achieve for of merca is cu daury that some time happen owing to worde deteni at merca, as daily paper owing to publica yesterday, is worde sospecha of posesion of  8 kilo of heroin.

the acusacion is tell “posesion with the intention to distribute”, then the is worde acusa of posesion of the heroin, cu intencion of trafica.

according the informacion, the acusacion is of january year happen, where cu autoridadnan mericano owing to look at the in compania of personanan that they have view on dje, relaciona cu traficacion of heroin.

at instant cu past owing to go back merca, they owing to detene y now the is close at new jersey.

on his person they not owing to achieve none drugs, but now cu the is acusa of posesion of 8 kilo of heroin cu intencion of trafica, the will can achieve one castigo till cu 20 year, if the worde achieve culpable.

as is conoci, daury his name owing to worde menciona for joran van der sloot, hour cu patrick van der eem owing to puntre is that owing to yude deshaci of the curpa of natalee holloway.

daury self owing to come fast at once for desmenti this y owing to show cu on day of desaparicion of the child muher mericano, the was at the netherlands.

sinembargo now cu the is deteni at new jersey, fbi mericano is insinua cu daury of berdad know much more of the desaparicion of natalee holloway, cu past owing to tell.

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Well, Of course I cannot say for sure, but it seems to be a file sharpened with tape.

 (there is writing on the tape where it appears to be grey duct tape.)gray.  Then the, what appears to be tape (white) laying apart from the file or saw wrapped is what appears to be tape (white) with a serrated edge and it seems to be pulled off something that left part of itself attached.  There is writing at the end of the handle of the taped handle (white) (saw, file, knife) and the handle seems mashed together somewhat, and that would mean to me not bone.  I have just given this a cursory look.  jackb 

I've never read anywhere reputable that Gomez was found. I know I *heard* some stuff that he was... but I doubt it's true.

As for Ruth, 50 year old women do sometimes die. It happened to a friend of a friend's wife here a few weeks ago.. Brain hemorrhage. She went down on the kitchen floor and died. Age 46. Dead. So, it can happen, but even if Paulus killed her with his bare hands, it would and should be on a bank camera system that he did INDEED GO TO THE BANK TWICE THAT DAY.

and this brings me to the point - if this case was truly to be *solved* it would have happened by now. They claim to have or had an army of investigators working on it... both from Holland and Aruba. Aside from all the conjecture, there are real records and footage from all over, if there was a desire to get this concluded it would have happened by now.... and it makes me believe that we have not identified the person really pulling the strings here.

my guess is the person is indeed in Holland and not on Aruba.

That is because you have not seen it up close, light applied in the shadowed spots, and spread out to see the hearts.  Also some areas not exposed would be darker from dried blood.
j/b

I couldn't help but think of Natalee after I read this..She deserves to be laid to rest and it angers me that so many refuse to let that happen.

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Gregory Tromp's Car


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http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1871&Itemid=9 (http://news.diario-aruba.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1871&Itemid=9)

Another windshield incident. Apparently an altercation originating at a night club at Royal Plaza.


Online Pap translation:

muher owing to break windshield of car of casa, y after owing to achieve fright
saturday, 12 april 2008

oranjestad (aan): was diahuebs madruga 2’or, cu the madam of inicialnan b.s. of 27 year owing to present at keep oranjestad y owing to ask intermediacion. the madam owing to count ; police problem cu past owing to confronta cu his casa y for cual past owing to destrui the car.

teniendo at cuenta y the mature cu in pasado his casa owing to maltrate the is ask police compañe for his cas situa at hill patrishi for so agentenan talk cu he.

the madam acompaña for police owing to present at the cas y agentenan owing to talk cu he of inicialnan owing a.p.

he ap of his part owing to count ; police, cu his person y some amigo owing to bay celebra his birthday in one night club in royal plaza. madam bs owing to present according owing a.p. is count ; y owing to cuminsa zundra, quarrel y after the muher owing to bay for of the lugar.

more after ap owing to leave bay direccion of his car y past owing to constata cu windshield of his vehiculo is destrui.

the thing owing to socede cu his car owing to place angry serious y for cual past owing to menaza his madam

police owing to intermedia y for evita more problem according the version policial the madam owing to dicidi of bay sleep close casa of his amigo, according the recorte policial is menciona.

Yes, I'm sure y'all have missed these incomprehensible recaps of mayhem on Aruba!

Thanks Pita! I was looking for that picture..He has a spoiler but it doesn't appear to be that car at all in the security Video..MO

Thank you Pita

Thank you for trying Rob, Appreciate it.

Once again nothing at all about Natalee in any of the Aruban Papers..

Solo Di Pueblo 4-11-08

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I hear ya Rob..If Ruth's name wasn't in PVDS PV and Dan Riehl didn't mention two murders at the same time I would never have brought it up.

This is still puzzling as well..Why would a robbery project team and a often occuring crime district be involved in questioning Joran? Was that because of the 3+girls that came forward before Natalee dissapeared and said they were drugged and assaulted by Joran?

The first day when Dave met Dennis Jacobs he told Dave that he lectured schools on the dangers of Date Rape Drugs and mentioned to Dave to watch his drink at C&C because people put GHB into them. I always thought Dennis Jacobs was some crooked cop working under Van Der Straaten and thats why he was chosen as lead Detective. I no longer think that,I think he was the islands so called expert on Date Rape Drugs and thats why he was chosen.IMO Clearly he had zero experience in Murder cases or Dissapearances but he knew quite a lot about GHB and other date rape drugs. I do think he was a trusted friend of Van Der Straaten to appoint him as Lead Detective,we know early ion the case they both showed up together on there day off flashing there guns to warn Dave and Jug to back off from Joran..


Joran June 10th 2005 PV
Snip

PROCES VERBAAL (second interview with Joran van der Sloot)
We, Dennis Dominico Jacobs and Luigi Angelo Giovanni Croes, head-officer and officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned is attached to the Robbery Project Team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section Often Occurring Crimes District 2, declare following.

I believe that people should be able to travel to Aruba. People go to Cuba everyday. But we all know what Cuba has done to their own people. That's no secret.

If anyone wants to go to Aruba the US government should have a disclaimer on each and every ticket that reads -

As far back as the early 1980's WE - The United States Federal Government, have known that Aruba has been an active participant in drug trafficking, money laundering, crimes against children, the manufacture and importation of elicit drugs and contiband and the over-all disregard for tourists. Each and every government ARUBA has had in power over the last 20 years, has abused the rights of those tourists that visited their island and the population as a whole.

Aruba is a sovereign nation and when you leave the United States you are under the care, or lack there of, of the Aruban Government. We as the United States Federal government, will be powerless to do anything to help you or a missing or presumed murdered relative.

WE, the United States Federal Government, hereby issue a TRAVEL ADVISORY. We can not prohibit travel to Aruba as the sovereign country of Aruba is autonomous and operates under it's own standards and procedures.

TRAVEL AT YOUR OWN RISK

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After:

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BINGO!

Well said Rob and I agree! It should also mention the crimes committed vs Americans and the lack of prosecutions in every case. Americans don't get murdered in Aruba they just dissapear forever,because nothing bad can ever happen to a tourist in Aruba like Oduber clearly stated.

Like OE was telling us Mos is somewhere around 6'6 to 6'8..  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9601/moswittedx5.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

makes De Witte look like frumpy dumpy lumpy Guido  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Jack,  I just saw this, and i think you better look back at the picture that Rob inlarged.  It is definetly fish netting. 

AZSunny - that is the enlarged photo and hard to tell what it is.  There is another photo that has a knife in pic that is definately some kind of rope and not fabric.  I think that is the photo you are thinking about.

FYI - I don't think it is NH top though.  Just a coincidence that it's the same color.

You are right (again) klaas, and this picture is the one I was referring to, and it definitely looks like fish netting to me.

I also think the handle of the knife looks like PVC pipe crushed on the end.  JMO

O/T (but it looks like it's right up Joran's alley  ::MonkeyWink:: )

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350969,00.html

Australian Man Critical After Swallowing Hashish-Filled Condoms
Saturday , April 12, 2008

BANGKOK, Thailand —

An Australian man is facing drug trafficking charges in Thailand after doctors discovered 60 condoms filled with hashish in his stomach.

For now, though, 51-year-old John Paul Jones is in critical condition.

Friends dropped him off at a hospital in southern Thailand after he complained of stomach pains. X-rays showed three of the drug packets had burst. Altogether, the 60 condoms contained a pound and a-half of hashish.

Police say the friends who dropped him off have disappeared.


My response:  what a dope   ::MonkeyRoll::

Yes, that's exactly what it looked like to me too!

a dope packed dope. 
dennisintn

Actually, Joran would be more like the chichen chit friend that dropped him off and disappeared  ::MonkeyWink::

That probably makes it floatable.

So does the duct tape from the handle of the knife match the duct tape with the hair on it? Or are there fingerprints or DNA stuck inside on the tape of the handle?

Or is that blood on the upper right corner? So what did the DNA show for that?

I really doubt it has anything to do with the NH case.  This photo was recently taken. 

That small piece with the pliars is some type of net or rope piece.  The other not showing with the pliars picture is most likely.   j/b

The small piece you saw was netting.  j/b

This is indeed another photo.  j/b

WhiskeyGirl

I have strived for almost three years ... to be Joran, Deepak, Satish, Paulus and Aruba's worst nightmare ... not their biggest supporter.

I agree that there are three main Natalee "open" forums ... three main cords ... that have been instrumental in preventing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway from becoming a faded memory.  However ... for the most part ... each cord is independent of the other.  At times ... there may be some common bond ... some cooperation ... but the major differences in approach are distractions which imply that the cords should never intertwine to form one bracelet.

I have aligned myself with the Scared Monkeys Natalee forum because ... I believe this forum most closely aligns itself with Beth Holloway's perspective on the issues encompassing the Aruban coverup that has denied her daughter the justice she is entitled to under both Dutch and American Law.

I unwaveringly uphold Beth's contention ... Paulus is the knot that that is preventing the bracelet ... the three cords ... Joran, Deepak and Satish ... from unraveling ... from revealing the truth pertaining to the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 when her precious daughter went missing.

Janet

++++++++++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 150/151

Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots.  First I tie one on Anita's arm, then ask Paulus if he would like one.  He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson's disease, and tries very hard to hold it up.  What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think -- a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front year in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home.  I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yan.

"Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse.  It's Ecclesiastes 4:12.  "Though one may be overpowered, two can defend them-selves.  A cord of three strands is not quickly broken."  I finish the tying and gently pat the knot.  "There you go."

And right then the bracelet looks different to me.  I see the three cords as the suspect, and the knot at the end holding them together as Paulus.  It's not just clear -- it's crystal clear.  There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee.  We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.

Neith one probably does.  Designed to make JB look unbelievable?  Two different pictures there for sure.  They were too lazy to place the tools back in exact place.  I could not care less either way, as they solved the case a couple of days after the disappearance and will not prosecute it there.  As for the pictures and cloth pieces being the same.  It would take an idiot not to see that the string appears to be netting.  The first picture may have been an old picture, but the second was is designed to discredit the first.  I have what I need.  I need no more.  It is interesting to see the lengths people go to in order to discredit one another and misinform for the perpetrators.   jackb

Straight from the Heart of Janet...How well written...

Thank you Destiny.

Well ... a first happened today.  My 10 year old grandson beat his Mama at a game of Scrabble.  Granted ... he was given permission to use the Scrabble dictionary but nevertheless ... I was humbled.

Off for a game with hubby and ... then hitting the hay.

Good night Monkeys.

Janet
9:20 PM

Nite Janet....

Nite Janet

Klaas, this is the last time I will ask...any word yet?

TIA...Destiny

Jackb, I guess I'm either ignorant, misinformed, or just slow. I KNOW  you are on the right track but I just don't follow you! You post pics, and hint at "bigger things" and then just let us alone --lurching in the dark. You post  one half of a photo and then tell us we are "missing" the other important half. I'm frustrated as hell!!!

******* and Pearl

Thanks for the amigoe comment.  That person should write editorials. He/she certainly nailed the situation.

nimrod

Is it common to add PVC pipe to fishing equipment (knives) to make things float? What a good idea.

jack

I know you don't want to post pictures but hearing about what's "really" in them, without a visual, is very frustrating. Your "original" pictures must have come from somewhere on line.  There are also benefits to posting pictures and open discussion regarding them. Even a thumb drive can protect the downloaded "original".

For Glenda and luvslalom at RU:


Glenda wrote:

He was there on the same day as CC and others who are also not on the Dr. Phil list. Guess they weren't interested as it wouldn't be in their best interest to include these docs in the case with the Kalpoes.


Dr. Phil filed broad interrogatories requesting info from the Kalpoes.  The listed documents are the Kalpoes response to the request.  Dr. Phil did not control the list.  Either Kalpoes  do not have "Eric Williams'" statement (from Sept? 2005), possibly because it would only be found in Joran's case file, or they didn't submit it (against the discovery rules) in the response to the interrogatory.
Please read the original document before you post erroneous info.

Anyone know where Joran is?

Joran is in Den Dolder  ,centre of holland

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320

Looks like someone killed/mutilated a sea turtle in Aruba.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Tortuga a wordo mata intencionalmente        
Sunday, 13 April 2008 - 00:00 
Den oranan di mainta a drenta un informe na haltura di Palm Beach lo mester a haja un tortuga morto. Na yegada nos  a topa cu e hendenan di Aruba Foundation For Sea Turtles cu a splica nos, cu durante nan patruya ariba beach, nan a haja restonan di un tortuga canto di laman. Immediante nan a yama polis pa presenta na e sitio pa asina averigua ken por a comete un acto asina. Click read more pa mas detaye  y imagen.

Aruba Foundation for sea turtles a sigi splica nos cu esaki ta un acto cu a wordo hasi intencionalmente y cu esaki ta algo castigabel pa ley. Polis a presenta na e sitio pa asina haja tur informacion pa nan por cuminsa cu nan investigacion.

(http://www.24ora.com/mambots/content/multithumb/images/1.stories.news.2008.april2008.april13.tortuga.IMGP8133.jpg)

One of the comments:

Manuel said:



 

Be sure and check the age progression photos Johan and I posted in the above thread  ::MonkeyHaHa::

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Age progression ?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh25/johan555/Drugspatient-Joran.jpg?t=1207849050)

Johan - I love what you did with his hair  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I would think that Joran would have had his hair done before having his pic taken ::MonkeyDance::

Johan's is after 5 years, mine is after 30 years: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/JoranOld-1.jpg)

In LOVING NATALEE ... which was released in October, 2007 ... Beth Holloways words imply that she is still not aware that Aruban authorities every took a witness statement from Eric Williams ... the DEA agent who never left their side from the moment they met him at the Holiday Inn following their arrival on the Island at 11:00 AM on May 30, 2005 and ... 6:00 AM the following morning.

However ... on January 28, 2008 ... Jug Twitty did inform the SM Natalee Forum that the FBI did take Eric Williams's statement.

Janet

+++++++++++
 
Jug Twitty
SM Questionaire
January 29, 2008

7) Did anyone ever see the DEA agent's ID?

Jug: The FBI took a statement from him
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.msg333731#msg333731


Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
Page 157

Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

 
Beth Twitty
'The Abrams Report'
October 12, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... the DEA witness, Eric Williams, was not given—was not—did not give a statement regarding the incident that occurred May 31 where Joran is again, admitting these sexual assaults committed against Natalee.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/


Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005

TWITTY: We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/


Jug Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
July 19, 2005

TWITTY: … And I find out two days ago that the Aruban authorities never took this man's (DEA) statement. Beth and I are going, It's unbelievable.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162966,00.html

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3705073/_Familie_Van_der_Sloot_gedagvaard__.html

Translation:

Re: Natalee Case Discussion #745 3/25
« Reply #757 on: April 03, 2008, 12:11:21 PM »

Entire Families Van der Sloot summoned

He has been held under treatment at the psychiatric institute in Altrecht.  On an open devision in Den Dolder he gets therapy for people who are stuck in everyday like "and are suffering from behavioral and psychiatric problems."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2745.msg370419#msg370419

Glenda claims he gave a statement Sept. 3, 2005 (the same day the suspects were released IIRC).  It very well could be that he gave his statement to the FBI because the Arubans didn't want it on record....or maybe he knew enough about the situation that he didn't think it best to deal with the ALE.  Joran said, in his book, that Williams took him aside and he told him his "story", the first night.

At any rate, it was not Phil that decided to include or exclude material from a Kalpoe submitted document list.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

LMAO!
And yet his legs are still all sporty looking....lol...love what you and Johan did with these pics.
 ::MonkeyDance::

you can see the pics  of the psychiatric institute in Altrecht here :

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320

i was there last week  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Right,aruban authorities never took the DEA agent's statement but the FBI did.Actually,that wasn't even the question asked of Jug.Someone asked Jug if they ever saw the DEA agents ID right?

Good Morning Cage Mates!

Sun is shining bright here...but cold wind blowing....

Good Morning Destiny ... Good Morning Monkeys

I am having a lazy Sunday Morning ... going to the later service.

I am sitting here in front of the computer in my flannel nighty ... bed head hair ... sipping on a cuppa coffee.  Definitely not a pretty sight.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I hope you all have a good day.

Janet
8:50 am

Intersting *snippit* from the *visit aruba * *safety in aruba* forum.....especially the post from a Charles Croes regarding the charter boat that was busted...old news...but still intersting...

    
   

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Old Thursday, June 14th, 2007, 06:28 PM
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Today, a big charter fishing boat was being searched by the police and a canine officer and canine comanion. Later I found out they found 7 grams of cocaine aboard and the boat was confiscated, no news on who may have been arrested...

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7 grams? do you have the amount wrong? do you mean 7 kilograms?

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Today, a big charter fishing boat was being searched by the police and a canine officer and canine comanion. Later I found out they found 7 grams of cocaine aboard and the boat was confiscated, no news on who may have been arrested...

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Agree, 7 grams is not a big bust by any means. 7 Kilos is sizable but
only has a street value of about $56,000. If it was 7 tons, now your
talking about some serious cash. I would be curious to see what you
find out later. I'm sure it was exciting to watch.
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Yes, sorry for the typo/erro! It comes from being citizen of a large world power that refueses to embrace the metric system!! Anyway it was on the Aruba news tonight but as it was in Spanish I didn't take in too much other then the boat's name was "Obsession" which may be appropriate!
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Great news!

1-0 for the good guys....
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Wouldn't you hate to have put down a deposit for a fishing trip this weekend and show up only to find the boat gone and the crew in jail!

Major bummer!
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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.

When we were there in March we watched as the police helicopter hovered over the water towards the Westin/Wyndham end of Palm Beach. There was a boat heading towards shore.


When a fishing boat departs on a fishing epedition, it's not always fish they're looking for. It happens along the FLA often. A mother ship drops bales of drugs off into the water a a give location and then a second boat comes along to catch what was left behind.
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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.

When we were there in March we watched as the police helicopter hovered over the water towards the Westin/Wyndham end of Palm Beach. There was a boat heading towards shore.


When a fishing boat departs on a fishing epedition, it's not always fish they're looking for. It happens along the FLA often. A mother ship drops bales of drugs off into the water a a give location and then a second boat comes along to catch what was left behind.
Back in the late 70's early 80's people I knew from High School that went to school in Florida used to go to the shore line every morning at sunrise looking for the bundles that "got away"!! I understand they used to dump the bundles in the water cause they can't come too close to shore and then other boats would pick them up or they would get dropped by small private planes!
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From what I could make out from Diario it looks like the boat was tracked by radar heading from Venezuela and they seized 70 kilos.
Wow, we went from 7 grams to 7 Kg to 70 kilos. This is getting more exciting by the minute. My wife and happened to be channel surfing last night and saw the news on the Aruba network news but it was in Spanish but the scene of the guy getting on the boat to search it with the dog was taken when I was there but I don't remember seeing the news crew.

I have never been a drug user, even in college, too expensive and what I did try gave me a headache. I really don't care what people want to try for home consumption but 70 kilos causes a lot of heartache on the streets in the long run. Take the boat out with the owners or crew that did the deed and have the Aruban Navy do bombing practice!
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CHRISINHOUSTON
Been watching your post and thought I would interject the following:

    * The "OBSESSIONS" is one of the better fishing charter boats on the island. There are others to choose from but she is a good one.
    * Ownership of the vessel was not on board and all indications point to this being something that was comitted by one of the crew (unfortunately a family member) that worked on the vessel and had the ownerships' total confidence.
    * Ownership and the rest off the family are practically destroyed over this entire mess and are cooperating in every manner to come to a resolve that carries out justice (family member or not) and that works towards being an example that this type of life style does not pay.
    * "Paris-Hilton-Justice" is not being sought - quite the oposite.
    * Lastly, the growth of a shipment from 7 grams to 70 kilos is not something we should get more exited about by the minute - unless you are reading the "Enquirerer" or "National Lampoon". Better would be to follow the expample of the family that owns the vessel and be sick with what could have been the consequences, which are that this shippment could have gotten to its final destination - the end user, mostly kids and mostly non-residents.

CHRIS - Words are like arrows: Once shot into the air, they are irretrievable and while they make take the initital path you set for them, words are greatly guided by the wind - and the wind is invisible isn't it?.


Be well
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 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Did they offer you free room and board?   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/boatfullofblow70kiloshere1-1.jpg)

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(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/boatfullofblow70kiloshere3-1.jpg)

it was 70 kilos.

Thank You for the Photos Rob! Now...I wonder just who was the Family member of the owner of the boat...that was transporting the 70 kilos...

Hi Des, I literally hate Charles Croes. What a flaming A hole. That guy has an excuse for everything that occurs of that crappy island.  Most likely non-residents?... huh??? well, then who did it Charles?

Most likely kids??? huh??? well, maybe Daury Rodriguez or Joran... but what kid organizes a 70 kilo buy? Stooopid Charles Stooopid!!!

and right Des, who is "letting" someone borrow their livelihood? That makes no sense. Just shows the mental conniptions Charles Croes has to use to get his bent and warped mind all around that one. What a loser. He belongs on Aruba.

what was the question again???? LOL  . . . . just kidding!!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub3/Obsession.jpg)

Rob...I also find this part of his post...as an almost...*vieled threat*...just seemed strange to me...

CHRIS - Words are like arrows: Once shot into the air, they are irretrievable and while they make take the initital path you set for them, words are greatly guided by the wind - and the wind is invisible isn't it?.


Be well
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I'm not married, but if I were and he said what he said to Beth to my wife... I would have stuffed him in a fish trap and thrown him in the sea. All of that is predicated on the fact that my friends didn't kill him first.

and his statement seems to elevate him over the "common" poster on Al Gore's internet and he places himself on a pedestal where everyone can look up his Cindy Brady tu-tu and see his pink panties.

Thank You Klaas....now, does he have a *pimp* in his family tree?

Now this is weird.  Destiny inspired me to go to the aruba bb and look what came up:  ::MonkeyEek::

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We fished on the sweet mary last year (Captain Lorenzo), was very rough water with 8 foot swells, but was good fishing and a really fun morning. We caught the boat from palm beach.

http://www.aruba.com/forum/f7/fishing-3874/

Do I hear Shango??   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Oh Lord Buck!!!   YES!!!   Mary didn't hear the bouy toll...

Plus...it shows that the charter boats DO go out in rough seas....

Someone needs to strap on their SPIKED CLOGS and

give Chucky baby 2 righteous klaps to his nutty buddy!!!


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.....

These Aruba-Dutchie types kill me, ending sentences with snotty questions.

HEY CHUCK, Joran says

"THE OCEAN IS BIG, ISN'T IT?"

Charles has lived there too long, all the arrogance has rubbed off on him.



(LOL @ Cindy Brady's pink panties)

Rob -

I wonder if Charles Croes is one of the additional Cores family members that Finbar wants us to research!  ::MonkeyRoll::

Captain of The Sweet Mary is/was Lorenzo Erasmus. 

I was reading everything I could find about Charles Croes not long ago and came across this; thought you might find it interesting also.

http://justrepublic.wordpress.com/2006/05/18/charles-croes-how-did-he-know/

the following was snipped from the comments after the article:

First off, Charles Croes is my biological father(I know his cruelty well)
-Moreover, he is a “famous liar” in circles that know him well. He thrives on any kind of perceived power or authority and will readily craft up ambiguous statements or manufacture situations which increase his influence. The sad part, is that although he excels in finding people to lead, he lacks the basic integrity to do them any good. I would say he lacks some very basic human elements as well. Compassion and honesty being only the tip of the iceberg.
In summary, one needs only poke around his shady and needfully obfuscated personal histories to understand that his comments are just hot air. Albeit super-heated at times.
In my opinion, Charles Croes is not the type of man to altruistically help Natalie Holloway, he is the kind of man who would stand on her dead body if the view was only slightly better.
Adam (ashamed of his last name) Croes

 Comment by Atomiczzz | February 4, 2008

What I have always found of most interest is, who was the person who talked to Joran right after Natalee disappeared - in the wee hours of the morning - Charles Croes. Who was the person who was the first to make contact with Beth HOlloway (and provide a cell phone) - Charles Croes. I could ask another question related to the most recent developments - but I’ll leave that to your imagination. I realize it is a small island and that everyone knows everyone, but so much doesn’t add up. I hope that the truth will finally be revealed.

Adam - you would know best what kind of man he is. I put most stock in your comment, above all.

 Comment by Honey | February 17, 2008

the way i read charles' piece was that 7 grams or 7 kilos doesn't make any difference because mostly kids and mostly offislanders that would be the end consumers so that made it all right to do.  charles is such a nice guy, don't you think?
dennisintn

Posted at RU - I'm looking for the original post on Greta's blog right now.  I don't believe anyone saw Joran in Korea, I think they may have seen Paulus, Anita and Valentijn though.  Remember Valentijn is very tall now and resembles Joran.


Don't know if it is true or not, but this was posted on Gretawire this morning:

"Comment by bmurphy12002@yahoo.com
April 13th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Hello from Korea Greta,

I am staying at the Shilla Hotel in Seoul Korea. I was preparing to go to dinner when I saw Joran Vander Sloot, his father and mother checking into the hotel......"

I found this tid-bit....wonder if any relation....

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PROCES-VERBAAL (SECOND STATEMENT SUSPECT D.S. KALPOE)

We, Johny Melvis ERASMUS and Clyde Anthony BURKE, respectively officer first class and sergeant first class with the Korps Politie Aruba and assigned to the Section Often Occurring Crime District 2, declare the following.

On June 10th 2005, approximately 13:45 hours we interviewed suspect D.S. KALPOE for further information.

The suspect D.S. KALPOE was informed by me, BURKE, that he was not obliged to make a statement and that his statement would be taped. His statement that was in Dutch was transcribed by me, BURKE, and goes as follows.

"To your question as to how long I know Joran, I can state the following. I know Joran since before carnaval of this year. I think since January 2005.

To your question whether I can describe my friendship with Joran, I can state the following. We go out together, get to know each other. We have become good friends.

To your question as to what kind of person Joran is, I can state the following. Joran is funny, sociable, likes to get to know people and he is easy to get along with.

To your question whether I visit Joran, I can state the following. I often go and visit Joran.

To your question as to how often I visit Joran, I can state the following. I usually visit Joran on the weekends.

To your question whether I some times visit Joran during the week, I can state the following. It sometimes happens that I go to him during the week.

To your question whether we go out together, I can state the following. We go out together.

To your question as to where we usually go, I can state the following. We usually go to the casino and to "Carlos & Charlies".

To your question as to what is the purpose of going out, I can say the following. The purpose of going out to the casino is making money, and going to "Carlos & Charlies" is to go and have a drink, and for the good atmosphere.

To your question whether my brother also comes along, I can state the following. My brother always comes along.

To your question as to how is the relationship between my brother and Joran, I can state the following. Satish has known Joran longer than me. Their friendship is good.

To your question whether I often have contact with Joran over the phone, I can state the following. Yes, I often have contact with Joran over the phone.

To your question as to how often I have contact with him over the phone, I can state the following. The last two weeks it was daily. Before that it was usually messages.

To your question as to how often I have been in contact with Joran over the phone over the past two weeks, I can state the following. We had contact over the telephone about three to four times a day.

To your question about what we spoke when we were contact over the telephone, I can state the following. We talked about that what had happened and whether his father had information for us about about the matter.

To your question as to why we talked so much about what had occurred, I can state the following. After we were heard as witnesses, we felt involved in what had occurred, and also because Joran's father was a judge and he knows a lot of laws, and because he thought we could yet be considered suspects and arrested.

To your question as to how Joran's father came to the conclusion I just mentioned, I can state the following. We had told him about the interview, so about the manner we were interviewed.

To your question that if I know that I am innocent, I have nothing to worry about, I can state the following. I am innocent and still I was arrested.

To your question as to what else Joran's father had told us, I can state the following. I cannot remember that at this moment in time.

To your question as to when I last was in Joran's place the last time, I can state the following. I went to his place Wednesday June 8th, at approximately 22.45 hours, together with my brother Satish.

To your question as to what the purpose of this visit was, I can state the following. First of all because we had no power at our house, and secondly because Joran wanted to see the video of my brother's school trip.

To your question as to who was at the house, I can state the following. His parents were at the house and his little brother.

To your question as to how late we stayed there, I can state the following. We stayed there until about 02.00 hours in the morning.

To your question whether we had talked to Joran's father that night, I can state the following. We had spoken to him, because he sat down with us.

To your question about what we had talked to him about, I can state the following. He had said that there were people from the press outside the door.

To your question as to what more he had said, I can state the following. I do not remember.

(comment reporting officer: at this moment, I, BURKE, asked the suspect D.S. KALPOE as to how it is possible that yesterday he could make statements about things that took place a week ago, and that he now is unable to remember a conversation from the day before yesterday. The suspect D.S. KALPOE stated that he cannot remember anything, that they had only talked about the people from the media and about the video they were watching).

To your question since when I have my car, I can state the following. I bought the car about two years ago.

To your question whether it was a new of used car, I can state the following. I was a used car.

To your question as to how often I wash my car, I can state the following. Usually the car wash does my car and I do it every two weeks.

To your question whether I washed my car in the past two weeks, I can state the following. I have not washed my car in the past two weeks.

To your question where I park my car at home, I can state the following, at home I park my car with the backside of the car under a tree.

To your question as to how it is possible that my car looks so clean, I can state the following. My car according to me is not clean because if you look at the outside you can see there is mud on the bottom of the car.

To your question whether I can remember the day when I was summoned to the police station at Bubali, I can say the following. Yes I remember that day.

You are telling to me that my car looked very clean on that day. About that I can state the following, I had vacuumed my car the previous day.

To your question as to why I had vacuumed my car the previous day, I can state the following. I thought my car was dirty on the inside there was a lot of sand.

To your question as to how dirty my car was on the inside, I can state the following. There was a lot of sand inside of the car.

To your question as to when I had been to the beach for the last time, I can state the following. I had been to a party on the beach about two or three weeks ago.

To your question as to where the sand came from the day in question that I vacuumed the car, I can state the following. The sand came from Joran, because he had almost fallen into the water and after that he had sat down in my car with sand on his shorts and on his legs.

To your question as to why I vacuumed the car on that Sunday in question, I can state the following. I thought it was dirty.

To your question as to why, after having driven in the car all that time, I chose that particular Sunday to vacuum my car, I can state the following. It is my car, and I can vacuum it when I want. I clean my car when I want to clean it.

To your question whether my brother has been in contact with Joran over the telephone, I can state the following. He has been in contact but I don't know how often.

To your question whether we keep in contact through the computer, I can state the following. Yes we are in contact through the computer.

To your question whether Joran has a girlfriend, I can state the following. Joran had a girlfriend. Joran told me last week that she broke off the relationship.

To your question whether Joran had told me why she had broken off the relationship, I can state the following. Joran has told me that his girlfriend broke off the relationship because of that what had happened with the missing girl.

To your question as to how Joran emotionally acted, I can state the following. He acted normally.

To your question whether Joran has girlfriends or has had girlfriends, I can state the following. I do not know.

To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following. Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.

To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

You are telling me that I made a statement about a Steve yesterday, and now you are asking me who Steve is. Steve is a customer who comes to my place of work to use the Internet.

To your question as to what exactly Steve had told me, I can state the following. I was talking to someone on the phone about what had happened, and when I hung up the phone Steve said to me that I should not worry because he had seen us dropping off the girl at the hotel, he even saw that she had fallen down and that Joran had helped her up.

To your question as to where Steve was to have been able to see to see all of this, I can state the following. I didn't ask him where he was in order to have seen all of this. He also told me that he had not been to work that day.  Instead he had been at "Carlos & Charlies" and because of that he was of two minds about going to the police because he feared losing his job.

To your question as to how I got hold of his mobile phone number, I can state the following. I had asked him for his number and had told him that I would give it to the police if I got in trouble so that they could call him.

To your question as to how it is possible that I state that Steve was not sure whether he should go to the police, because he was afraid to lose his job, but that on the night in question, he did go to a public place like "Carlos & Charlies" and on top of that gave me his phone number so that he now can be sent for to testify, I can state the following. You should ask him.

To your question whether Steve knows Joran, I can state the following. Steve does not know Joran.

To your question whether I have spoken to my brother about Steve, I can state the following. I have spoken to everybody about Steve, with my mother, Satish, Joran and Joran's parents.

To your question whether I gave all of them Steve's mobile phone number, I can state the following. No, I kept the number to myself.

To your question as to why I quickly had an attorney, I can state the following. After we were heard as witnesses, Joran's father said that there would be chance that we were going to be arrested, and that we had to prepare for that eventuality.

To you question as to how we prepared ourselves, I can state the following. By preparing I just meant looking for an attorney.

To your question whether I had spoken to my attorney prior to my arrest, I can state the following. Both families had a meeting with the attorneys. So my parents with me and my brother, and Joran with his parents.

To your question as to when that took place, I can state the following. That took place last Saturday.

To your question as to where it took place, I can state the following. It took place in the offices of my attorney.

To your question whether both families went to one office or to several offices, I can state the following. We all went to the same office at the same time. Our attorney asked us if the statement we had made as witnesses was the truth, and said that we should stick to that story.

To your question whether I had ever been in an accident with my car, I can state the following. I had an accident once. I was a rear end collision. I had suffered no injury. The accident happened approximately one month ago.

(Comment reporting officer: the suspect was given a moment to think after I, BURKE, had had a conversation with the suspect "off the record" regarding his age and that he should think of his family and also about his future. After a few minutes the interview was continued. The suspect was asked if he had thought about it, to this he answered that he had been thinking and that he wanted to talk to his attorney first and after that make a more detailed statement. The suspect was prepared to continue with this interview/interrogation. The suspect was also asked to take of his shirt to ascertain that there were no wounds visible on him. None could be seen).

To your question whether me and my brother wash my car together, I can state the following. We did this on a number of occasions.

To you question as to when this happened for the last time, I can state the following. It was a long time ago, I think in February. Because it got busier and busier for me, he did it numerous times on his own.

To your question what I think of this situation/case, I can state the following. I feel tired and sad.

To your question why I feel sad and tired, I can state the following. I feel that because of me my whole family is suffering.

To your question what I mean with suffering, I can state the following. Because I wasn't supposed to go out if I had to go to work on a Monday. If I hadn't gone out, I would not be here. Joran would also not be here because he wouldn't have had a ride.

To your question whether I know why I have been arrested, I can state the following. I am here because you think that we did it.

To your question as to what I mean with "because you think we did it", I can say the following. With this I mean, that she is missing or was kidnapped.

To your question as to what I personally think, I can state the following. I personally do not think she is dead. I think she must be at someone's house.

To your question as to how I come to that opinion, I can state the following. They haven't found her body, so she isn't dead.

To your question as to how it is possible, that after having been confronted with a security guard that was most likely the one who was at the "Holiday Inn Hotel" in the night it happened, the one about whom I had stated that I could recognise him if I saw him again, I can state the following. The man from today was not the security guard I had seen. The hair of the security guard I saw was different and he had a different body height.

To your question as to how it is possible that there are contradictions in the statements given by me, Satish and Joran, regarding where exactly we stopped in front of the lobby of the hotel, I can state the following. I don't know, I have stated the place where I know I brought the car to a full stop.

(Comment reporting officer: the suspect was informed to take a minute to really think, he requested 2 minutes to have a conversation with his attorney, after which he would make a detailed statement. His request was granted.)

(comment reporting officer: after the suspect spoke with his attorney, he stated that he would make a detailed statement tomorrow and that he would read through this statement but that he would not sign it.)

Of this we, ERASMUS and BURKE on our oath as officers have made this proces-verbaal closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 10th 2005.

The reporting officers,

J.M.ERASMUS CA. BURKE








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::MonkeyEek::

Now's the time to go did up that damn pool!

Here's the full post from Gretawire:

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Maybe she took a picture!  Nah, that would be too good to be true! ::MonkeyWink::

Where in hell, do they get all this money, to travel all over the place....

Monkeys...if someone can find the phone number to the hotel...I'll call and ask for Paulus van der Sloot...

I was just thinking the same exact thing.....hmmmm

Why would a poster put their email address on the post?  Looks fishy to me...and of course, leaving tomorrow...so no follow up....camera phone...don't all cell phones have cameras now?

I hope Anita buys a couple Korean flags to replace her Turkish swim suit.

Joran went in treatment voluntary, he can leave whenever he wants, so it is possible.

this weekend i spoke to someone who had a friend working at Altrecht, Den Dolder who said Joran was (or has been) in treatment there.

82 22 233 3131  This if from their website.

The Shilla Seoul
202 Jangchung-dong 2-ga, Jung-gu, 100-856, Seoul, Korea
Tel: (+82-2) 2233-3131
Fax: (+82-2) 2233-5073

 ::MonkeyWink::

Destiny

http://www.shilla.net/seoul/en/index.jsp

Their New York hotel was pretty low class compared to this.  I'm not buying....yet...
unless the Koreans at the Hiram bday bash are involved.   ::MonkeyEek::

OK...I called...was told that the Paulus Van der Sloot family (father, mom, and son) did not have a reservation there...nor had they been there at all...nor anyone with last name of Van der Sloot...

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 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Edited to add...I was put on *hold* for very long lengths of time after each question I asked...

Thanks Destiny - you rock!

OK so we really don't know then.  Could be they have been told to say no.

Oh Klaas....very funny!!!!   May I please have this photo as my *new* AVI....please with bananas on top...LOL  I really would like this as an AVI!!!!

Thanks Destiny!  ::MonkeyCool::

OMG!  I loved her, "one ringy dingy, two ringy dingy's...."  that will be perfect for you Destiny!  I hope it can be adjusted to work as an avi for you!

Sure, I'll clean it up and resize it for you....hold on a sec ::MonkeyHaHa::

Joran is not in Korea

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=bmurphy12002&btnG=Zoeken&meta=

Destiny - it's not working very well as an avatar.  You can't read the words.  I'll keep playing with it.

Johan - yeah I saw that too.  Tried to search any links to the NH case.  I really doubt Joran is in Korea.

Johan....I don't get it...what does this link mean?  TIA

See what I mean?

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Thanks Klaas....you can leave the words out....

According to that link, the person who has that email address is Brian Murry from Dayton Ohio.  He's 33 years old.  It really doesn't prove that the Sloots aren't in Korea but Johan's first hand research says he's in the mental facility.

Well, that hotel is across the street from a Buddhist University.   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://web.dongguk.edu/siteE/index.jsp?MASTER_CODE=014

Looks like you've been busy monkeys.  Any in need of an afternoon pick-me-up: 

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How about this? 

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I met this boy last week in Den Dolder ,his name is Amar   ( he is also from Aruba ) and he told me that he stays in "De WIER "  that is a semi closed unit  on the Altrecht complex .
He told me also that Joran is there also .They can go outside 1 hour a day .
 this is Amar:
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More pics  here :
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320    ::MonkeyHaHa::

Maybe that's NOT a pic of him at Altrecht?  The beer.  They treat addictions there also. 

Cute!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love it!! It sickens everyone that these people are enjoying life while they hold all the answers what they did with Natalee. I am not so sure that is the sloots unless they are on spring break as it's only april..Val and Sebastian are still in school...

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ik heb nu ook via via van een verzorger gehoord dat Joran bij Altrecht zit.

I have now also through an attendant heard that Joran to Altrecht seat.
 
 
 

YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! Please dress me Klaas....PLEASE????

I'm in wub wid Klaas....

I took the pics ! ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2669.320

******* - I suspect that Gretawire post is BS

Klaas is da bomb! (that's a good thing, lol)  I liked the cat o.k., except the tongue was a little creepy to me.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink::

Johan - I'm with you on this.  Joran is in the mental facility and not in Korea

WHOOPIE!!!!!!!!!!

I'm so damn HAPPY....I could just shit!!!!!

THANK YOU KLAAS.....YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!!!

Makes me want to offer a *reward* to some staff member at the mental facility...like $100.00 US to provide a *proof positive* photo of Urine there.....matter of fact I do make this offer....

It's perfect!  Congrats Destiny!  Great work Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::

One ringy dingy....LOL....Klaas...I LOVE it!!!!

If it's not BS, maybe it was Valentijn and not Joran and they are there for him to tour a college facility.  Most schools allow a day or two absence for this type thing.  Buckeye posted earlier about a college across the street from the hotel.

So he's holding your beer, not Joran's   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Great pics there.  The Dutch use too many vowels.  In my opinion.  I'm wondering if Joran is staying at Den Dolder for awhile or if he's been out on "leave".  Rumors of Thailand and Korea -- Thailand is drugs.  Synonymous.  Beth said money was being laundered in Aruba for the Korean nuclear arms efforts. 

Holding a newspaper, date showing, in front of the sign at the front door that says:  Altrecht:  liars, murderers and drug addicts to the left

I'm told they do this in some coffee bar in Vancouver.  There were lots of other pics drawn in the steamed milk.  Talented, those Canucks are.  ::MonkeyWink::

All above is Great!...plus...Urine must be in the photo...no photo shop crap.....Time to turn the Folks there, into our own private  Papparazzi....$100.00 US standing.....

Exchange rate:  1 Euro to 1.57 US Dollars   ::MonkeyWaa::

Anita, the Buddhist, might want Val in the Buddhist University in Korea.
The only thing I see is that a student mush speak Korean.

I wouldn't want my child in school in Korea, but Anita might.

Maybe she just wants him out of Aruba and the Netherlands and knows she can't send him to the States.  Or maybe he's going to learn money laundering from the Koreans.  Or maybe it's all bull to get monkeys to spin their wheels.  Or maybe it's a Korean paying all those legal bills and ............ I think I need a nap.  Or another monkey latte. 

You bet!!

 ::MonkeyDance::

How in the world can the Sloots hop from place to place?  Do they have a discount card that no one else has?  These trips would have to be very expensive...then again..where is the money coming from?  I know Paulus is not earning it and for certain Anita is not getting rich teaching art in Aruba. 


Klaas
What date were those pics of Joran and Freddy playing beach tennis taken that are in the other thread?  TIA

Gift of a "full scholarship" in appreciation of all the island has done for them???  If Beth is correct, Paulus is involved in it somewhere....contracts...????

We've always wondered who the Kalpoes were talking about when Deepak said they could be killed in a nanosecond.  I forget the quote, but people are afraid of someone there.  Small island, small and inexperienced police corps, easy to corrupt by any organized crime faction.  It's why they go to the Caribbean. 

Texaxmom, good thinking.  Paulus reviewed government contracts and IIRC, Rudy Croes was accused of taking bribes for contracts.  May have nothing to do with Korea, but you just inserted another dot in the Aruban corruption map. 

Let's see.....hmmmmmm...Beth/Bram...filed suit against whole Sloot Family.....one kid in mental hospital....can't question him....another kid in religious temple....santuary...can't question him....makes me wonder....

  from  $1243 Roundtrip    (That's about $786 in Euros)
 
9:25 pm Depart Oranjestad (AUA)
Arrive Amsterdam (AMS) 12:50 pm  +1 day  Sun 27-Apr
Duration: 9hr 25mn    KLM 765 
 Nonstop flight
 
 
 

However ... six days later ... while still detained ... while having no contact with Joran ... Deepak's opinion of Joran had changed drastically.

Janet

+++++++++++

DEEPAK KALPOE: "JORAN IS A DISTURBED/SICK PERSON."

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 16, 2005

I am not Joran who steals money from his parents. And I am of the opinion that, that this is not the issue at this moment. If you want to find out what happened to the girl and where she is, you have to be with Joran van der SLOOT Joran van der SLOOT is a disturbed/sick person, he has admitted that he is in the care of a psychologist and that he hits his brother. If the police wants more information about Natalee, then you have to be with Joran. He was the last person with the girl, that I can guarantee

so if he's so guiltless, why has he put up with all this garbage and heat for 34 months?  imo, the kalpoe's are as guilty as jvds of what happened to natalee.  at least paulus has them thinking so, anyway.  deepak and jvds have made tenuous little stabs at laying the blame off on the other, but can't carry through without incriminating themselves. 
dennisintn

From the getgo ... I have upheld Beth's perspective regarding Paulus' involvement in covering up the truth in regards to her missing daughter.  If this perceptive woman claims that Paulus' involvement in the obstruction of justice is ongoing ... then so be it!

Janet

++++++++++++

Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 23, 2005

TWITTY: You know, Nancy, Joran and Paul have done this to themselves. You know, they`ve -- they`ve had -- they`ve done the lies all along. You know, if they would have just come forward from the beginning, never changed their story, you know, we wouldn`t have these suspicions. But there -- you know, there`s no reason to tell a lie and -- you know, if you have no involvement or you don`t know where she is.

And also, we know that Joran has -- you know, he admitted these sexual assaults that he performed on Natalee. That has never been a secret. And you know, Paulus Van Der Sloot has changed his story. He admitted to us on the night of the 31st that he picked them up at 4:00 AM, and then when I was in his home one day, I think that was maybe June -- oh, I`m not sure if it was June 21 that I was at the judge`s home -- and he changed the time to 11:00 PM on the 29th.

I mean, you just don`t do that. A grown man cannot keep changing the times if he has nothing to hide or no involvement.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/23/ng.01.html

Original suspects in Natalee Holloway's disappearance are re-arrested in Aruba
Thursday, November 22nd 2007, 4:00 AM

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"The public prosecutor's office has ordered their renewed arrest because further investigation into the disappearance has led to new incriminating evidence," the prosecutor's office in Aruba said in the statement.

Authorities refused to comment on specifics that led them to arrest van der Sloot, 20, in the Netherlands and the Kalpoe brothers in Aruba.

T.J. Ward Jr., a private investigator hired by the Holloway family, said the break could have something to do with information he passed along to police in Aruba and the FBI in Barbados two months ago.

Ward claimed on Fox News last night that informants told him van der Sloot's father, Paulus, a judge in the Netherlands, paid for a boat to have Holloway's body removed from the island.

"I told them, and I believed all along, that Paulus van der Sloot had indirect or direct knowledge of the removal of Natalee Holloway's body or what transpired with her to be removed from that island," Ward said.

Ward said authorities assured him they would investigate his information.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2007/11/22/2007-11-22_original_suspects_in_natalee_holloways_d.html

Lala's, I'd have to search for the exact date but it was in 2004.

November 20, 2004

http://www.arubabeachtennis.com/album/2004/slides/picture%201467.htm

Interresting that it also says 2003.  But I believe it's 2004.

Janet,
I also uphold Beth's perspective regarding Paulus' involvement in covering up the truth in regards to her missing daughter.  My response that you have quoted was in response to the following post by Lilpuma regarding Beth's statement that money was being laundered in Aruba for the Korean nuclear arms efforts.

They could have put the room under Anita Hugen

Or Joe Tacopina or Julia Renfro and the list goes on and on... ::MonkeyConfused::

I had the same thought!   ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas,
Do you know who the guy is in this picture?

http://www.arubabeachtennis.com/album/2004/slides/picture%201398.htm (http://www.arubabeachtennis.com/album/2004/slides/picture%201398.htm)

There is a "William" listed in Daury's Hi5 friends.  The picture looks a lot like GVC's father to me, (if he were clean shaven that is).  Also looks a lot like whoever is in the picture above.  JMO

texasmom ... I have not heard Beth say anything regarding Aruban/Korean  money laundering.  However ... if these are her words ... I would not doubt them for one minute.

The point of my post was that ... from Beth's perspective ... Paulus has been involved in the coverup that has denied her daughter justice from getgo and ... it does not surprise me that his involvement is not ongoing.

Afterall ... Paulus did tell Natalee's father that he would protect his son no matter what.

Janet

++++++++


Dave Holloway
Nancy Grace
August 1, 2005

HOLLOWAY: ... You know, you`ve got to stop and think. I went out to the prison and spoke directly with Paul Van Der Sloot, and you know, I don`t know whether I believe everything he said, but I did believe one thing, and that was that he would do everything he could to protect his son. And you know, these daily visits that he has, you know as well as I do, he`s going to be in there coaching and pumping his son, you know, just to, Keep on, keep on, and you`ll eventually get out.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/01/ng.01.html

No, I have no idea who it is.  Doesn't really look like GVC's dad to me, looks too young to be his dad (but I could be wrong  ::MonkeyWink::  )

thanks, Klaas  ::MonkeyCool::

Very convincing!

Johan and Klaas, if he isn't a poster child for keeping your kid off drugs, I don't know what is.

Klaas, I have been looking at a lot of your great work recently and I am simply amazed.  You have gread talent and a huge heart.  Thanks for sharing both with us.

Do we have a thread called Klaas' Clips or something to that effect?

Again my hat off to you, and thanks for sharing.

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

Didn't the Dutch Princess Mabel have prior dealings with arms dealers?  Before she married the Dutch Prince?  IIRC, that was a big scandal that Peter dV told about on his show, many years ago.

Why would anyone be hurt if Joran and/or his father told the truth?  Would innocent people be hurt?

Mary rolled and the dicemen rolled.  Remember the song that has "rolling on the river" in it?  Of course boats roll.  A bouy toll is a warning to the boat or ship.  Dicemen, probably gamblers, but there is a group of older guy singers called the dicemen, a group of singer.  Not aware they sing in Aruba or the Antilles.  I think NH was a virgin and Mary was a boat or a married woman who helped lure NH by false friendship to where she finally ended or after she ran away and was brought back, or someone she felt was ok no knowing the "mary" was a friend of the pimps.  Makes sense that it is a boat as shango seemed to use nautical terms and spoke in archiac language, or Bibical English that would have been taught by the first settlers teaching English to the natives.  Jackb

Bearly - I've photoshopped so many pictures I don't think the server at SM could hold them all, LOLOL  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I had to get an external hard drive to hold them all... ::MonkeyDance::  Once in a while someone posts an old one I did and I don't even remember doing it  ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas ... please check you email.

Thanks

Janet

What an odd way for an 'innocent' man to put this.  Especially because he then goes on to say he thinks she is alive.  I think he slipped up and said, we did it.  Did what? 

By this statement, it appears to me they all have a role in this.  He didn't say helped Joran do something or we helped cover up something, he said, we did it.

Sweet Destiny:  This is for you:  Sweet Mary (297) 827985

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Curpa kima sin bida haja pariba di brug  
Policial 
Sunday, 13 April 2008 - 18:12 
Nos tin indicacion cu un rato pasa polis a encontra un curpa sin bida cu probablemente a wordo kima y ta den sercania di tunnel of love. E caminda rumbo pa e area a wordo sera completamente y nos ta buscando mas confirmacion y of detayes di e noticia aki.


Miembronan di Breaking News VIA SMS di Digicel:
Nos kier a pidi nos disculpa pa un problema tecnico pa e ricibmento di SMS. Na e momentonanan aki e servicio aki ta down.
 
Through translator:

curpa burn without life haja east of bridge
 policial
 sunday, 13 april 2008 - 18:12

we have indicacion cu one rato happen police owing to encontra one curpa without life cu probably owing to wordo burn y is in sercania of tunnel or love. the caminda direction for her area owing to wordo close completamente y we is buscando more confirmacion y or detayes of the news here. miembronan of breaking news via sms of digicel: we wanted owing to ask we disculpa for one problem tecnico for her ricibmento of sms. at the momentonanan here the servicio here is down. come across

You just may be the photo-shopper of the year! 

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Maybe you could write a virtual book on the NH story.  It would have more sequels than Harry Potter.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tamikosmom, Beth said that they had evidence or reason to believe that there was money laundering to support the Korean nuclear program when she talked to Condi Rice.  It's in Beth's book.  It's why Condi turned to her guys and said "I want the FBI back on this."