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Artwork/Words: CBB

Bearly - thanks for the smooth transition.  Both the Zahra thread and Kyron threads were stuck on page 49 so I decided to post photos to page 50 on each.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel:: I have no words..Just prayers of thanks this beautiful child has been found. Thank you Father for your mercy.

You're welcome!

So sad there is so many tragedies for our children.

Thanks, Nut!

 ::CowboySmiley::

Hi Tracy...do we know for sure that Zahra has been found? had not heard that officially..
I hope that she has been found and can be buried properly..xxxx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCTQZhkQ0IE&feature=related
An Alan Jackson song with lyrics. I especially love the chorus for Zahra.
I am posting the lyrics to this song with changes I made to the first and fifth verse.

Why did she have to go
So young I just don't know why
Things happen half the time
Without reason without rhyme
Lovely, sweet young girl
Daughter that needed her mother
Makes no sense to me
I just have to believe

She flew up to Heaven on the wings of angels
By the clouds and stars and passed where no one sees
And she walks with Jesus and her loved ones waiting
And I know she's smiling saying
Don't worry 'bout me

Loved ones she left behind
Just trying to survive
And understand the why
Feeling so lost inside
Anger shot straight at God
Then asking for His love
Empty with disbelief
Just hoping that maybe

She flew up to Heaven on the wings of angels
By the clouds and stars and passed where no one sees
And she walks with Jesus and her loved ones waiting
And I know she's smiling saying
Don't worry 'bout me

It's hard to say goodbye
Her picture in my mind
Will always be of smiles I cherish
And I won't cry 'cause

She flew up to Heaven on the wings of angels
By the clouds and stars and passed where no one sees
And she walks with Jesus and her loved ones waiting
And I know she's smiling saying
Don't worry 'bout me
Don't worry 'bout me
Don`t worry 'bout me

i thought it was said remains, but not all of them, and that none of this was admitted by LE??

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13465050

Zahra's dad meets with police, mom arrives in US as 'possible human remains' found
Posted: Nov 08, 2010 12:05 PM PST Updated: Nov 11, 2010 1:51 PM PST

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - New evidence that officials say is "possible human remains" was found Wednesday in the search for a missing 10-year-old Hickory girl, as WBTV learns that Zahra Baker's biological mother arrived Thursday in North Carolina.

Meanwhile, Adam Baker, Zahra's father who first reported her missing in a 911 call on Oct. 9, was at the Hickory Police station Thursday afternoon for about an hour. He and his attorney met with investigators and was later allowed to leave.

Investigators told WBTV on Thursday that search teams in Caldwell County found evidence on Wednesday, during a search of Gunpowder Creek, that "could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case."

The evidence, which are "possible human remains," has been sent to the State Medical Examiner's office in Chapel Hill. From there it will be sent to the NC State Bureau of Investigation's lab for DNA testing.

 ::monkeyscissors::

some vids,emily is traveling with the au press
vid
http://www.wbtv.com/global/category.asp?c=195957&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5284215&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

on this pg in case link dont work
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13465050
vid
http://www.wbtv.com/global/category.asp?c=195957&autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=5281986&flvUri=&partnerclipid=

found here
http://www.wbtv.com/global/category.asp?c=195957&clipId=5281986&autostart=true

thanks nut for starting the thread with that beautiful pic

I am just thinking out loud but maybe Zahra's mother is also coming stateside to provide her DNA to the detectives in addition to taking her precious child home.  I truly believe in my heart that this child was hidden from her all these years out of spite to keep her out of Zahra's life.  I am deeply saddened by this case.
Thank you all for keeping us up to date....

People have been coming to see the spot in Granite Falls where the remains were found. They can walk right up to the hole. Why???

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

Klaas There is a pic of Zahra with what looks like a Birthday cake on this video that NR posted. It's at 2:54 minutes. I was hoping you could capture and post it.  ::MonkeyAngel::

http://www.wbtv.com/global/category.asp?c=195957&clipId=5281986&autostart=true (http://www.wbtv.com/global/category.asp?c=195957&clipId=5281986&autostart=true)

Zahra's father, Adam Baker was at Hickory Police Department this afternoon. No word of charges yet against anyone.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZahraCake.jpg)

Thank you!  ::MonkeyKiss:: She looks so happy!  ::MonkeyAngel::

She does look happy

Hello monkeys.  Just getting back on after taking care of mother and mother in law. What has happened?  Has Zahra been found?  Where can I read this news?  If this is true, my prayers have been answered.  Now, to arrest the papa!!!

maybe the LE got all that was in the area/hole
im wondering why dig such a large hole, what indication
did they have to dig. did the spot look like it had
been dug b4,so they dug and found the remains, and were
just being thorough

The media is reporting that part of Zahra has been found , LE is saying evidence of significance has been found they have never said Zahra's remains have been found.

They probably have to take alot of surrounding evidence too..thus the bigger hole.

Zahra's dad meets with police, mom arrives in US as 'possible human remains' found (with video)

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HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - New evidence that officials say is "possible human remains" was found Wednesday in the search for a missing 10-year-old Hickory girl, as WBTV learns that Zahra Baker's biological mother arrived Thursday in North Carolina.

Meanwhile, Adam Baker, Zahra's father who first reported her missing in a 911 call on Oct. 9, was at the Hickory Police station Thursday afternoon for about an hour. He and his attorney met with investigators and was later allowed to leave.

Investigators told WBTV on Thursday that search teams in Caldwell County found evidence on Wednesday, during a search of Gunpowder Creek, that "could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case."

The evidence, which are "possible human remains," has been sent to the State Medical Examiner's office in Chapel Hill. From there it will be sent to the NC State Bureau of Investigation's lab for DNA testing.

MORE...

http://www.live5news.com/Global/story.asp?S=13465050

Zahra's Biological Mother Visits Memorial Outside Baker Home

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25763688/index.html

Remains Found, Being Tested In Search For Zahr

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25763540/

Source: Human remains found in search for Zahra (with video)

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Zahras-biological-mother-headed-to-NC-107221463.html

OMG!!!!  I can hardly believe it.  I assumed it would be another long drawn out case.  I surely hope there is enough evidence to lock up pop and keep SM in jail.  Thanks for the info.  Been so busy today.  Was about to break out in hives cause I have not been on all day.  Thanks again.

Images from the search at Christie road today.

Northern thanks for the videos and pictures.

I wonder if they spoke with Adam today to give him the opportunity to man up and tell the truth of what happened to Zahra.  If not then they will put the evidence together, arrest him and hopefully he will never see daylight again.

I do hope they have located enough evidence to hang both of them. This could explain the dogs hitting on both vehicles. One taking some to one spot while the other went to the other place with some of the remains. Makes me sick to think about it.

Nancy Grace reporting that although not officially announced that "sources" on the scene have found human remains, associating it to the "no fly zone" and medical examiner being called to the scene.  "Partial remains" are being speculated to mean this precious girl who was such a shining beam of survival was dismembered.  I'm tending to believe that the only reason why it has not been officially announced is that they are awaiting sufficient testing that leaves no doubt on the identity.

There is no means of state execution harsh enough for her murderer(s)....my heart bleeds tonight knowing this beautiful young girl survived so much yet was denied a full life after all she had been through, cant muster any other words at the moment.

one of these 2 idiots had to have told LE where to find Zahra don't ya think? otherwise, it looks like a pretty good hiding spot for a body that may or may not have ever been found jmo...
I hardly know what to say either on this..it is so sad and just boggles my mind that anyone could have harmed this little girl especially after all that she had already been through... ::MonkeyNoNo::

Since the police had Elisa in the police car a week or so ago she must have given them the approximate area where Zahra is, at least it seems that way.

The LE were pretty smart to hurry up and arrest SM on other charges.  They knew how flaky she was and figured she would talk under pressure.  She did just that.  Her so called nickname of "Dark Heart" fits her.  I never believed he father (Adam) would have killed his own daughter and disposed of her in some type of "horrifying" manner, but HE DID JUST THAT!!!!.  These people are evil and there is no punishment that will do for this crime.  I hate them!!!

Yes, she kept saying that Zahra was not missing and the LE knew where she was!! ::MonkeyNoNo::

mariloo..at first I believed the dad for about the first day or so.... until I heard his 911 call and some other reasons...He is evil just like the SM...He is the one who used his employment's landscaping  equipment to dig that hole...when they dig a hole for planting trees, ever seen the hole digger that they use?? it is huge and goes right through the ground...all just my opinion..they are both the devil's spawn if you ask me..they deserve death...

Just unbelievable  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I have never seen the equipment that they use but can just imagine  ::MonkeyNoNo::

with a large tree, the roots are all balled up and they are huge..the hole has to be dug deep enough and wide enough to place it all in the ground....

I agree with the death penalty, just wish it could last a few days.  Like you, when I heard Adam laugh on he 911 call, my heart sank and I knew he was guilty and little Zahra was dead.  Hopefully,  she did not suffer too much before that final moment.  I would love to torture these two evil people for what they did.

me too!
think that I just heard Jean C. on Nancy Grace show say that a tarped tiny body was found buried, believed to be that of Zahra...pretty sure that is what I heard her say..sorry if it is not correct..I was typing at the same time that Jean was talking...

So very sad.  I wonder if that tarp was the yellow something or other I kept seeing in he pictures where they were searching?? ::MonkeyNoNo::

This case is so sad....

I'm watching NG and while she's not my favorite at least she's layed off critisizing Zahra's mother, Emily.

Not sure when tonight's transcript will be out, but early in the show she said many people are theorizing that Zahra's body was dismembered, her limbs put through the wood chipper, her torso buried in the larger hole and her head buried close by in the smaller hole, both found at the most recent search site. I think I'm going to be sick.

The hole would have been dug that large as I saw a bobcat or similar earth moving machine in the background of a video and that would be to extract large scoop fulls of earth and them place on the ground for the searchers to sift through.  If what was found was larger then they still would have needed to sift through a lot of surrounding earth to look for any clues.

Also I continue to wonder how Adam is still free but I do hope he has not signed a long lease on the unit into which he has now moved as I think he will be accommodated in jail very soon.

Our local media is also reporting that human remains have been found and are probably those of Zahra.  Such heartbreaking news even though we have all been wanting a resolution to her whereabouts.

Also being reported that Zahra’s mother Emily has arrived in Hickory with an Australian news crew. Her delay in going to the US was caused by waiting for her passport to be issued.  Not holding a passport already would mean Emily has never travelled outside Australia before and I think it is very astute of her to travel with a news crew which will afford her protection from the public and other news media, as well as smoothing all other details which can be daunting for a first time traveller such as connecting flights, shuttle travel and accommodation and so on.  At least there are no language difficulties to face.

I have been aghast to read some of the bashing of Emily and now also the involvement of the Aust news group that has been posted on other sites.  I am sure the monkeys will not contribute posts displaying such unkind feelings here.  It never fails to amaze me how many folk there are in the world who, according to their own words,  have lived such perfect lives and can now sit back and throw stones at others that have made less than stellar decisions in their respective lives.  None of us can truly say what we may or may not have done in any situation unless we have faced exactly the same trauma.  Walk a mile in my shoes - - goes the old saying.

I know there are many folk in the US that will show kindness and understanding to Emily and I  look forward to any reports that may be published here from the Aussie point of view and will link them here.

You are right aout Emily.  None of us know what actually happened there.  I cannot imagine trying to find my daughter and being poor.  Not an easy task. 

I pray that the people theorizing this have it wrong  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I know how vicious and evil some people are, but if this was done to Zahra this makes no sense at all to me. For these two to have done this, if this is what happened, I go back to my original thoughts about drugs, and how this must have made sense to them at the time because they were in a total drug induced state. I just hope this is not what happened.

I'll watch for the show transcript:

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

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Breaking News: Source: Human remains found in search for Zahra

Breaking news: Sources say human remains just found in the search for missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker. Do police have evidence the little girl's body was dismembered? Nancy Grace has the latest, 8 & 10 p.m. ET on HLN.

Just too sad for words. ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

isn't it though?
WHY?? Why would they kill this child who by all accounts was  a very good child...
these 2 need to really suffer for what they did to this child..

During commercial break, channel 9 wsoc gave a teaser for the 11 pm newscast...... Why searchers won't be searching tomorrow.

Forgot my manners Good Evening Monkeys and Guest!

Hi Darla..
what do you make of that news?

They must have al the evidence they need.

Not sure what I think Cookie, I just had to step away for a little while this after afternoon. It may just be a build up for the 11pm newscast or it could mean they have found what they need, or they may need to take a day of rest. I want so bad to see another arrest and murder charges filed.

Sorry to quote myself....
here is a youtube link to the portion of tonight's NG show, it the segnebt in which they discuss the wood chipper and dismemberment....sigh

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/0/BKByLTem65k

oops..sorry for the typos in that last post. My head is spinning from these latest developments surrounding this little girl's death.

It is horrifying

Another newsclip saying the search for Zahra is over.

Wow

So precious! ::MonkeyAngel::

As much as I wanted this beautiful child found it hurts. This is just not right. This and Kyron are my first cases I've ever followed and didn't know how this would affect me. I need to shut my computer down and back away.

One of the things I have most admired about Scared Monkeys is that we are all free to express our opinions without fear of being excoriated or shushed,  sort of like our First Amendment rights under the US Constitution.  Certainly most people here who come into contact with Zahra's biological mother will be kind to her, as would I were I in that position.  Being kind to her, however, would not indicate my approval, which in any case, she doesn't need. I do not know the woman as you seem to indicate that you do. It appears that Zahra's life has been taken.  It is a great tragedy that this precious brave child had no one to protect her.

  Thank You Samarie for the link, I didn't get to see NG earlier.

 :puker:   ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Channel 9 saying that what was found yesterday was so significant that they have no plans to continue the search. Reporter saying that evidence found was human remains.

NANCY GRACE
Report Remains Found in Zahra Search
Aired November 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/11/ng.01.html

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25767169/index.html

NANCY GRACE
Report Remains Found in Zahra Search
Aired November 11, 2010 - 20:00:00   ET

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Nancy, the reports are that, sadly, human remains have been found. Now, officials will not confirm this, but those at the site are reporting that human remains have been found at that Dudley Shoals Road site. They say that a large hole was dug, 30 feet wide, 2-and- a-half feet deep. Evidence flags were put there. And now the evidence that on the record is saying could be extremely significant is going to the state bureau of investigation.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Jean, explain to me what you know, when it happened, where it happened. It`s my understanding that police dug a big hole that`s about 10 feet by 4 to 6 feet, and then inside that hole, they found or dug another, smaller hole. And also, Jean, it`s our understanding from our sources that her body is not intact.

CASAREZ: That`s right, Nancy. You`re talking partial remains. In addition to that, the dirt that was found from that hole, that very large hole, it was taken from the scene. And this was all found yesterday, Nancy, close to midday. And that is corroborative, Nancy, with the no-fly zone that suddenly came about. No news helicopter could fly above that area, and that also corroborates with a medical examiner going to that scene .....

More:
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/11/ng.01.html

I pray there are 2 indictments handed down tomorrow for 1st degree murder.  The reporter went to his apt. and the coward shut the door in his face.

Search For Zahra Called Off After 'Significant' Find

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Hickory police said Thursday evening the evidence they found in the Zahra Baker case is so significant, they're calling off the search for the missing 10-year-old girl.

Channel 9 Eyewitness News learned from sources that investigators found human remains on Wednesday when they searched in and near Gunpowder Creek off Dudley Shoals Road in Caldwell County.

Deputy Chief Clyde Deal wouldn't comment on what was found but said he will not send additional search teams to the area in the future.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25758518/detail.html

They must be able to tell that the remains are likely Zahra.  ::MonkeyTears::

I am at a lose for words.  ::MonkeyTears::


Thank you all for the updates and links.

May Zahra Rest In Peace.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Wow that hole has really grown today. And from my understanding they had the ME out there yesterday when they started searching.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks pink angel

This is huge.

Janet

NG is the only one reporting the 30 ft. dealie. The way they blow stuff out of proportion on her show, it doesn't surprise me. JMO

I know Pink Angel, I can't stand to watch her. You know if you are giving out  bombshells you'd think they would get the stories right,

I only watch her when I have to and then I usually wind up yelling at the screen. :)

Finding partial remains and calling off the search is weird to me...wouldn't they want to find all the remains since I'm sure it would help determine the cause of death?  Or perhaps they found enough   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

Justice for Zahra just can't come quick enough   ::MonkeyAngel:: 

I believed him at first too.  The 911 call clenched it for me.  Nobody, I don't care how dumb they are would be so nonchalant about their daughter missing.  OMG... it was like Oh hi.... by the way, my daughter is missing.  she's in puberty... you know how they are.... oh and they took her prosthetic leg as well....  I can't stand him!  He is like gum on my shoe... can't wait to scrape it off and throw it away.  This is tearing me up... just the thought of precious little Zahra in pieces and slung here and there....... GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :gaah: :gaah: :gaah:

Oh My God. I just watched the NG clip.   ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

This was posted for Zahra on one of Zahra's facebook groups:

http://www.youtube.com/v/gfNa8TCUXrQ?fs=1&hl=en_US&color1=0x402061&color2=0x9461ca

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Zahra-Project/162072750477909 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/The-Zahra-Project/162072750477909)

 ::MonkeyAngel:: screen capture from above video.....
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/zahrascreenshot.jpg)

I don't believe these actions against Zahra could stand. I honestly believe that her Mother had Divine help to discover Zahra's whereabouts when she did because those actions would not be allowed to get murky with time.

If that is true, and I believe it is, then may she take comfort knowing that Zahra was never alone. The same hand that guided her always held Zahra's, and you can bet your soul that no evil that befell her has one ounce of power over her now.

Zahra is sliding down rainbows and is amidst children's laughter under the smiling eyes of eternal love. She is lovingly hugged and will never know lonliness in a place prepared with her dreams and heart in mind. All of heaven opened to recieve this child.

These horrid people that harmed her were seen with every action they took and God made sure that their plans would not stand. I believe that with all my heart.

It's painful for me to even realize there are people like this among us. I want them to face death. They should not be among us, IMO.

The video is beautiful. Thank you for bringing it over, Klaas. Thank you, Jackie for the screen capture.

ITA with you CBB.  I have never felt such loathing for anyone as I do the people who did this to Zahra.  It is heartbreaking and I am having a hard time getting over it.  There are not even enough words to describe how I feel right now.   ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

http://www.smh.com.au/world/zahra-human-remains-found-in-bush-grave-20101112-17qft.html

From Australia....

(http://images.smh.com.au/2010/10/20/1998703/Zahra-420x0.jpg)

Zahra: human remains found in bush grave
November 12, 2010 - 2:25PM

The worst fears for Australian 10-year-old Zahra Baker appear to have been realised with police search teams in North Carolina discovering human remains in a bushland grave.

The remains were found on the edge of Gunpowder Creek, a secluded location used by hunters to dump deer carcasses, and a short drive from where Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, once lived.

It is believed police search teams were directed to the site by Mrs Baker, who is being held in custody on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly writing a fake $US1 million ransom note.

The discovery of the remains came just hours before Zahra's biological mother, Emily Dietrich, flew from Australia to the town of Hickory in North Carolina, the US state where her estranged daughter spent the past two years.

"Search teams in Caldwell County yesterday located evidence that could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case," Hickory police said in a statement.

"This evidence will be analysed at the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation's lab. We understand the concern and interest in this case by the public but we must be cautious in prematurely releasing information so it will not jeopardise any future criminal proceedings."

The discovery of human remains came just over a month since Zahra was reported missing by her biological father, former Queensland sugar mill worker Adam Baker, and followed searches of rubbish tips, ponds, creeks and other bushland areas.

Hickory police would not publicly confirm the find was human remains, but sources did.

Local media reports also said the grave contained body parts, not a complete body.

Police discovered Zahra's prosthetic leg a fortnight ago in another bushland area, while a bone was found during another search.

Zahra had the lower half of her left leg amputated five years ago after being stricken by bone cancer.

Investigators questioned Mr Baker, who was accompanied by his lawyer, for more than an hour on Wednesday at the Hickory Police Department before he was allowed to leave.

Ms Dietrich, in an interview with the Seven Network last week, said she suffered post-natal depression after the birth of Zahra, handed custody to Mr Baker and had no contact with her daughter.

She said she did not know her daughter had moved to the US until three days before Zahra went missing. Ms Dietrich used the internet to track her daughter down.

Mr Baker met Mrs Baker, who is from North Carolina, on the internet. They married in Queensland and two years ago moved with Zahra to North Carolina.

On Thursday, Ms Dietrich, accompanied by a TV crew, inspected a shrine that members of the Hickory community have created in the front yard of Zahra's home.

Neighbours said Ms Dietrich was an emotional mess as she read cards and inspected toys, flowers and other trinkets.

"She was in tears and she said her heart was breaking," neighbour Jennie Bost told local TV station WSOC.

Another neighbour, Eddie Mitchell, told the TV station: "She asked if she could hug me and we hugged and I said to her, 'Just keep going, believe and just keep going."'

A vigil is planned for Zahra in Hickory on Tuesday, which is the date of her 11th birthday.

I'm not going to say what I think they found in the smaller hole because it's making me sick.
I'm furious that Adam was allowed to leave the police station today.
These 2 should be drawn and quartered. This is THE most repulsive case ever.
The laws should change to prevent monsters like these from doing their evil deeds.
I really think that whatever was done to their victims should be done to them. That would deter these heinous crimes as far as I'm concerned, and I'm a card carrying liberal. I'm just so sick of this kind of brutality.

I am thinking perhaps they found enough or they think they have found all that they can.
They have spent over a month looking for this little angel and were determined to find her, so she could be laid to rest with love and respect. Their dedication and long hours that they have put in has been inspiring and I am sure heartbreaking for them.

To have any part of her to lay to rest, I am sure will be a comfort for her mom and her other relatives.

bananas, I don't remember a case as bad as this while I've been at SM. All of these cases are awful, but this one reaches a new low.

NG is repeating. I hate watching it, but I am.

I am watching too and I really should just turn it off because it is just tearing me apart.  I agree... this is the worst thing I have ever seen.

Did they think they could keep her abuse and death secret while they were forwarded the support from her Mother? Did they think when Zahra would have been 18, they would just answer that Zahra went off on her own and they didn't know where she was?

Thank God they have found evidence!!

If I can get away, I'd like to go to the vigil. I'd like some way to express what I can't find words for.

Do you live near there?  It is a long way for me but my husband's brother lives not too very far from there.

It's about a 90 minute drive for me, if I take the more direct, back roads.

If I lived that close, I would go.  It would probably be good for you to go if you are feeling as bad as I am about this.  I would have to fly across the country.  I live in Texas...... but my heart will be at this vigil too.

CBB  I hope you can get away to attend Zahras vigil.  I think this case has hit everyone of us hard. If I could I would go. I know when I finely got to Florida for Caylee it was very sad but at the same time it brought me Peace. You know we will all be with you in Spirit if you go. ::MonkeyAngel::

Just catching up after dealing with a kitchen pipe that burst and flood.  Was half listening to NG and it is so sad. Sounds like they found a mojority of Zahra's remains.   Glad she backed off of Emily tonight. 

Zahra's biological mom in Hickory (with video)


HICKORY, N.C. -- When Eddie Mitchell saw a woman with a camera crew kneeling outside the makeshift memorial at the Baker's home on 21st Street Ave. NW across the street from his, he didn't know what to expect.

When he walked over to speak with her, he says it was unnerving to see her face. "When she got up and turned, it was like looking at Zahra," he said.

That woman was Emily Dietrich, who traveled to Hickory early Thursday from Australia with a camera crew from Channel Seven News in Australia. Dietrich is Zahra's biological mother. She tells Channel Seven she gave custody to Adam Baker when Zahra was a baby because she was suffering from post-partum depression. She says she'd been trying to locate her ex and their daughter when she learned that Zahra had disappeared.

"She was so emotional about the whole thing and she just said to tell the people that she's very, very grateful," Mitchell said.

It is not clear where else Dietrich visited, or if she is talking with investigators.

Hickory Police Thursday were tight-lipped about the investigation, though a source has confirmed that human remains discovered Wednesday are being tested at a state lab.

NewsChannel 36 has confirmed that Zahra's father Adam Baker, who is free on bond on unrelated charges, spoke with investigators at the Hickory Police Department Thursday. His lawyer, Mark Killian, was present. He says Baker is and has always been cooperating with the investigation.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Bakers-biological-mom-in-Hickory-107371348.html

If I can, I will, GE. The roads are mountainous between. I was near Hickory on Sunday, and the mountains are already snowcapped and we ended up in a snow storm so severe we couldn't see the road. It was at night, and kind of scary. If the weather is good and work makes it at all possible, I will.

Me too, Northern Rose. I thought she was going to sink her teeth in for a minute.

I hope your pipe got fixed too!

I know you will if it's at all possible.  Those mountain roads are something else so please be careful.

If you go CBB, be safe....

Don't worry, if I go, I'll be very careful. My car is awful in snow and I wouldn't attempt it if the roads were slick.

All of this news has worn me out. I'm going to get my jammies on. If I don't get back, have a goodnight, all! God Bless and keep Zahra!

Good night CBB... I hope you have pleasant dreams.  I am staying up late working on my web sites...... but it is about time to find my pjs too.

God Bless Zahra, her mom and all my fellow monkeys.  You all have such kind hearts.

Zahra Baker's body may have been found

The worst fears for Australian 10-year-old Zahra Baker appear to have been realised with police search teams in North Carolina discovering human remains in a bushland grave.

The remains were found on the edge of Gunpowder Creek, a secluded location used by hunters to dump deer carcasses, and a short drive from where Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, once lived.

It is believed police search teams were directed to the site by Elisa, who is being held in custody on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly writing a fake $US1 million ransom note.

The discovery of the remains came just hours before Zahra's biological mother, Emily Dietrich, flew from Australia to the town of Hickory in North Carolina, the US state where her estranged daughter spent the past two years.

"Search teams in Caldwell County yesterday located evidence that could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case," Hickory police said in a statement.

"This evidence will be analysed at the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation's lab. We understand the concern and interest in this case by the public but we must be cautious in prematurely releasing information so it will not jeopardise any future criminal proceedings."

The discovery of human remains came just over a month since Zahra was reported missing by her biological father, former Queensland sugar mill worker Adam Baker, and followed searches of rubbish tips, ponds, creeks and other bushland areas.

Hickory police would not publicly confirm the find was human remains, but sources did.

Local media reports also said the grave contained body parts, not a complete body.

Police discovered Zahra's prosthetic leg a fortnight ago in another bushland area, while a bone was found during another search.

Zahra had the lower half of her left leg amputated five years ago after being stricken by bone cancer.

Investigators questioned Adam Baker, who was accompanied by his lawyer, for more than an hour on Wednesday at the Hickory Police Department before he was allowed to leave.

Ms Dietrich, in an interview with the Seven Network last week, said she suffered post natal depression after the birth of Zahra, handed custody to Adam Baker and had no contact with her daughter.

She said she did not know her daughter had moved to the US until three days before Zahra went missing. Ms Dietrich used the internet to track her daughter down.

Adam Baker met North Carolina native Elisa on the internet, they married in Queensland and two years ago moved with Zahra to North Carolina.

On Thursday, Ms Dietrich, accompanied by a TV crew, inspected a shrine members of the Hickory community have created in the front yard of Zahra's home.

Neighbours said Ms Dietrich was an emotional mess as she read cards and inspected toys, flowers and other trinkets.

"She was in tears and she said her heart was breaking," neighbour Jennie Bost told local TV station WSOC.

Another neighbour, Eddie Mitchell, told the TV station: "She asked if she could hug me and we hugged and I said to her, 'Just keep going, believe and just keep going'."

A vigil is planned for Zahra in Hickory on Tuesday, which is the date of her 11th birthday

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?&id=8136324&mch=snlink&cmp=art_8136324

I thought I heard on NG tonight that Emily took a few of the stuffed animals that were left at the memorial.  I am glad if she did and hope they bring her some peace.

I cannot quit thinking about Zahra. ::MonkeyNoNo::   Thought I would play with one of her pictures - hope you enjoy. ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/zahradaisies.jpg)

This is beautiful  ::MonkeyAngel::

Video of Emily at the memorial today. Says Emily gave a DNA sample.

Remains found in search for Zahra

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national

Thank You KCJackie   ::MonkeyAngel::

It's hard not to think about Zahra.
O/T nanners

Pictures of Emily at the memorial today

ThankYOu  NorthernRose  for all you up dates and links. I want them to arrest the POS that took this darling little girls life. Prayers her bio mom will be able to take her home. ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Night CBB  ::MonkeyAngel::

God Bless

The video said that the police are protective of Emily and they have told her the DNA will be back on Tuesday.  Images of Emily with police.

Photos: Zahra Baker case

http://au.news.yahoo.com/news-gallery/a/-/article/8308954/image/1/zahra-baker-case/

Zhara's mum travels to US

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/22991607/

Hints of 'valuable' new clue in search for Zahra Baker
Hickory police won't confirm reports that human remains were found along a creek.

(http://media.charlotteobserver.com/smedia/2010/11/11/23/zahra1112_GNL1T2QTD.1+Zahra_7.JPG.embedded.prod_affiliate.138.jpg)

HICKORY As Zahra Baker's biological mom flew to North Carolina on Thursday, investigators said they may have located a significant piece of evidence as the search for the missing 10-year-old girl entered its second month.

It was another day of twists in the story of the pretty 10-year-old girl whose smiling photos - and plight as a victim of bone cancer - have captured worldwide attention since she disappeared on Oct. 9.

In Australia, media reports had Emily Dietrich, the distraught birth mother who gave up Zahra as a baby, headed for the scene of the investigation. But Hickory police refused to confirm those reports, despite neighborhood talk that Dietrich was seen at Zahra's house in the early-morning hours Thursday.

MORE...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/12/1831222/searchers-find-valuable-evidence.html

Search For Zahra Called Off After 'Significant' Find

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Hickory police said Thursday evening the evidence they found in the Zahra Baker case is so significant, they're calling off the search for the missing 10-year-old girl.

Channel 9 Eyewitness News learned from sources that investigators found human remains on Wednesday when they searched in and near Gunpowder Creek off Dudley Shoals Road in Caldwell County

Deputy Chief Clyde Deal wouldn't comment on what was found but said he will not send additional search teams to the area in the future.

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, had no comment on the developments.

People visiting a makeshift memorial outside Zahra's home in Hickory said they believe closure is near.

"I just hate to see something like that happen to a 10-year-old," said Flossie Wilcox who visited the memorial with her two young children. "And, you know, I'd just like to see some closure on it," said Wilcox.

Zahra's biological mother, Emily Dietrich, visited the memorial early Thursday morning after arriving from her home in Australia. Witnesses said Dietrich spent about 45 minutes there with an Australian news crew.

The crew returned to the memorial late Thursday evening without Dietrich. Neighbors said crew members told them Dietrich was talking with officers at the Hickory Police Department, but police would not confirm that.

The remains found Wednesday will be analyzed at the State Bureau of Investigation’s lab.

MORE...

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25758518/detail.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I am glad someone is looking out for Emily. Did she travel here by herself? That last picture of her at Zahra's little memorial breaks my heart. ::MonkeyTears::

Search For Zahra Called Off After 'Significant' Find (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25767169/

She flew with the Australian news crew.  I don't think she would have the money to fly there without the crew.  I am glad she is there with someone else. 

Zahara's mum kneeling at her daughter's memorial in the Baker yard.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national

So sad.

Notes: They took a DNA sample from mom.
They only told her "evidence" but she said she could tell from their tone and their manner what they found.

Zahra's Biological Mother Visits Memorial Outside Baker Home (video)

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25763688/

Jackie, the picture is just beautiful! I love the daisy in her hair. It's somehow full of life and hope. Thank You!!

Northern Rose? Thank you for the pictures of Emily!

Yup I am still here as my kitchen and the ceiling in the basement dries.  I just checked to see if Adam had been checked into jail and nothing.  Heading to bed.  Good night and God Bless

I'm right behind you, NR! Goodnight and God Bless, All!

Thanks so much for posting this....so beautiful....so sad. I hate this child had to suffer so....but I know she now has the peace and love she never had here on earth.

I'd like to attend this vigil also.  Hickory is 4 hours from us.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/12/1829991/investigators-find-valuable-evidence.html
Hints of 'valuable' new clue in search for Zahra Baker
Hickory police decline to say what was found; missing girl's distraught birth mother flies to U.S.
By Franco Ordonez
fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
Posted: Friday, Nov. 12, 2010
HICKORY -- As Zahra Baker's biological mom flew to North Carolina on Thursday, investigators said they may have located a significant piece of evidence as the search for the missing 10-year-old girl entered its second month.

It was another day of twists in the story of the pretty 10-year-old girl whose smiling photos – and plight as a victim of bone cancer – have captured worldwide attention since she disappeared on Oct. 9.

In Australia, media reports had Emily Dietrich, the distraught birth mother who gave up Zahra as a baby, headed for the scene of the investigation. But Hickory police refused to confirm those reports, despite neighborhood talk that Dietrich was seen at Zahra's house in the early-morning hours Thursday.

Police did announce that search teams in Caldwell County located evidence that "could be valuable" in prosecuting the case. A source close to the investigation told the *******'s news partner, WCNC, that searchers had found human remains. But Major Clyde Deal of the Hickory police declined Thursday night to say what the new evidence is.

Also late Thursday, police confirmed that Zahra's father, Adam Baker, was back at the Hickory Police Department.

But police would not say why Baker was there. And they provided no information about the possible evidence found in neighboring Caldwell County on Wednesday night.

Police said the evidence would be analyzed at the State Bureau of Investigation's lab.

"We must be cautious in prematurely releasing information so it will not jeopardize any future criminal proceedings," police said in a statement.

Zahra was reported missing on Oct. 9 by her father, Adam Baker, 33, and her stepmother, Elisa, 42. Police said she has not been seen by anyone outside of her family since Sept. 25.

No one has been charged in Zahra's disappearance, but Elisa Baker is in jail on felony obstruction of justice charges after police say she admitted writing a phony ransom note to throw off the investigation into the missing girl.
Zahra's case has become one of the most high-profile searches ever for a missing child in North Carolina.

Nona Best, supervisor of the N.C. Center for Missing Persons, said the search for Zahra has captured international attention in a way similar to other missing children, including Asha Degree in Cleveland County in 2000.

The hunt for Zahra has sent exhausted investigators across Catawba, Burke and Caldwell counties seeking evidence. They've examined two ponds, homes where the Bakers lived, several wooded areas, and a Caldwell County landfill.

Zahra's prosthetic leg was found in Caldwell, near Christie Road, and a bone that investigators said may be related to the case was also found in the county. The bone was sent to the N.C. Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for inspection, and Deal said Thursday police have "received some results" on the earlier evidence. He wouldn't confirm if the bone was Zahra's.

Wednesday's discovery of additional evidence also came in Caldwell, along a creek near Dudley Shoals Road, about five miles from the Christie Road location.

The site is known as an illegal dumping spot for deer carcasses. Tommy Courtner, Caldwell County EMS director, said teams spent the day searching in the creek and along the bank.

Investigators cleared much of the leaves and rocks from the area. A white evidence flag marked the edge of a large hole left by investigators. At previous sites, the flags have been used to mark bones.
Zahra's birth mother, Dietrich, was reported en route to North Carolina accompanied by an Australian television crew. Police wouldn't confirm her arrival, but did say she had asked for privacy if she did come to North Carolina.

Dietrich has not had contact with Zahra since she was a baby. She told Australia's Channel 7 News that she was trying to find Zahra when she learned she had disappeared. She said she surrendered Zahra during a time of severe postnatal depression.

"I felt robbed before she was taken. Now I just feel broken," Dietrich told the Australian television station. "I never got to say goodbye."

For weeks near Zahra's home in Hickory, mourners have deposited photos, personal notes, and more than 100 stuffed animals – creating a shrine to the young girl.

"When you see the amount of cars going by, you realize how many people in the community this has affected," said Carolina Turner, who lives a few houses down.

A vigil is planned for Tuesday. It's Zahra's birthday. She'll be 11 years old.

This is probably the answer as sad as it is.  As for LE, I think they did an outstanding job with this investigation -- they didn't botch it up from the getgo and were relentless in searching for Zahra.  Though I wish AB would have been locked up days ago, I am positive LE knows what they are doing and there is a very good reason why he isn't. 

I watched this and started crying all over again.  Poor Emily and Zahra were deprived of so much time together!   ::MonkeyTears::

It takes a lot in all the cases I follow to make me ill (afterall, I work mostly with the dead)......but I have to say, this all just makes me want to vomit. If and when the whole truth emerges....I will still never understand WHY!

I was thinking the same, it is over 3 hours, but if at all possible, I am going to try to be there.  ::MonkeyTears::

I just watched this video.  How terrible for this mom. To come to the States for this reason. Only to hear they have located significant evidence of her missing Zahra. I hope she will be able to stay long enough to see the evil perp arrested and put behind bars for life. I do hope she doesn't have to face Ma Baker while she is here. What right did this woman have to keep this beautiful child separate from her Mother. Emily's life has been torn to shreds. May God put his hands on her shoulders and give her comfort. This is all so heartbreaking.  I hope when the time comes the remains will be released to Emily so she can take them home to lay to rest close to her. I hope she is able to take a video with her of her wonderful smiling Zahra she can set and watch as time passes. Also to know so many loved her daughter and to meet those who worked so hard to locate her.

Why this POS is allowed to still walk freely is beyond my understanding.  They need to lock him up now for any charges they can to keep him from trying to sneak away and to never be found.  He is the worst kind of subhuman. The she did it does not work for me as I feel they shared in this equally. JMO

May all of the Monkeys here find a way to work thru their feelings. I will get comfort from my furkids as they know my emotions. They will snuggle close to me trying to make me feel better. I hope all of you have someone who will do the same for you.

Why didn't AB just give Zahra back to her mother?  She was obviously more of a hassle in his life and if he knew Emily was looking for her why not give her back?? 

I know we dont have these answers - the "if only's" in this case could have saved Zahra's life.

Leroy...Once again I have to say the awful words of...this child=a clear check/money in their pocket.  And judging from what we learned from EvilE's past of faking illnesses for gain that she prolly thought she could pad her pocket exploiting Beautiful Zahra's unfortunate boughts with cancer, losing her leg and the loss of hearing. God Bless Zahra and her Mommy and I so hope that when AB finally gets lodging at the jail that these two scabs of the earth are torn limb by limb by someone more evil than them in that jail.  My God in Heaven forgive me for saying that but this case for me deserves the old saying "an eye for an eye"!!!! The needle is too good for them.

The Cord

We are connected,
My child and I, by
An invisible cord
Not seen by the eye.

It's not like the cord
That connects us 'til birth
This cord can't been seen
By any on Earth.

This cord does it's work
Right from the start.
It binds us together
Attached to my heart.

I know that it's there
Though no one can see
The invisible cord
From my child to me.

The strength of this cord
Is hard to describe.
It can't be destroyed
It can't be denied.

It's stronger than any cord
Man could create
It withstands the test
Can hold any weight.

And though you are gone,
Though you're not here with me,
The cord is still there
But no one can see.

It pulls at my heart
I am bruised...I am sore,
But this cord is my lifeline
As never before.

I am thankful that God
Connects us this way
A mother and child
Death can't take it away!

Author Unknown

Nut... what is the nature of your work?  This case keeps me feeling sick and awful.  The video of her bio mom is heartbreaking to watch.

Nut follows up when bodies are found and tries to match them up to missing people.  It is very difficult work and NUT does it well.  To do this you need to stay emotionally unattached.  The fact this case gets to NUT just shows you how horrific it is. 

Oh my goodness.  What a difficult job!  It would be very hard for me to stay unattached and yes Klaas, this case has got to the hardest to watch unfold I have ever seen.  It looks like the police might not release any information until next Tuesday..... at least that is when they say forensic reports will be back anyways.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25758518/detail.html

Sources: "Valuable Evidence" Found Was Human Remains

Posted: 11:06 am EST November 11, 2010Updated: 8:59 am EST November 12, 2010

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Hickory police said Thursday that evidence located in Caldwell County Wednesday could provide "valuable" information in the search for missing 10-year-old, Zahra Baker.

Channel 9 Eyewitness News learned from sources that investigators found human remains on Wednesday when they searched in and near Gunpowder Creek off Dudley Shoals Road in Caldwell County.

Deputy Chief Clyde Deal wouldn't comment on what was found but said he would not send additional search teams to the area on Friday.

Zahra's father, Adam Baker, had no comment on the developments.

People visiting a makeshift memorial outside Zahra's home in Hickory said they believe closure is near.

"I just hate to see something like that happen to a 10-year-old," said Flossie Wilcox who visited the memorial with her two young children. "And, you know, I'd just like to see some closure on it," said Wilcox.

Zahra's biological mother, Emily Dietrich, visited the memorial early Thursday morning after arriving from her home in Australia. Witnesses said Dietrich spent about 45 minutes there with an Australian news crew.

The crew returned to the memorial late Thursday evening without Dietrich. Neighbors said crew members told them Dietrich was talking with officers at the Hickory Police Department, but police would not confirm that.

The remains found Wednesday will be analyzed at the State Bureau of Investigation’s lab.

 ::monkeyscissors::

Rad Berky just tweeted that the police will announce today that the remains found were Zahra's.

http://twitter.com/RadBerkywcnc

WOW, thanks Pink Angel. 

Thank-you for all the updates and beautiful picture KCJackie  ::MonkeyAngel::  I leave my emotions out of all these cases because that is the only way that I can follow them, but I also have to say little Zahra and everything surrounding this case it is extremely hard not to have it on your mind and it just makes a person mentally and physically ill.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Hello again monkeys.

Just a thought regarding this, reading that the police pulled AB and his lawyer in for "talks" for about an hour, could it have been to let him know that remains had been found and also to give him a subtle warning to stay clear of ED now that she is in the same town as him, if they are feeling protective of her they might have wanted to make that very clear to him and his lawyer.

I also think that ED will attend the vigil for Zahra, it's what any grieving parent would do isn't it?  I wonder if AB and his family will be there?

Thank you.

Hickory police holding newser at 4p on #Zahra Baker case.

http://twitter.com/shelleyclynch (http://twitter.com/shelleyclynch)

Just wanted to say that the reason I joined SM was because of the dedication of the monkeys that do all the research and make sure there is no such thing as a "cold" case on this forum. God Bless you all.

I feel the same way Nut, I have not been able to stop asking myself WHY?  What on earth would ever drive someone to kill their own child let alone dismember them?  I seriously cannot understand it.  God Bless Zahra, she is now in loving arms.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Source-Remains-are-that-of-Zahra-Baker-107480738.html

Source: Remains to be confirmed as Zahra Baker

Posted on November 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM
Updated today at 9:55 AM


HICKORY, N.C. – A source close to the investigation tells NewsChannel 36 Hickory Police will hold a 4 p.m. news briefing on Friday in which investigators will announce that remains found Wednesday are in fact that of Zahra Baker.

 ::monkeyscissors::

I hope they arrest AB soon.

I sure hope so also  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Friday, November 12, 2010 8:58 AM
RadBerkywcnc: Even though remains will be identified as Zahra's, do not expect any arrests to be made right away.

RadBerkywcnc: wcnc will carry Hickory PD news conference live at 4:00 pm and stream on the web wcnc.com
Friday, November 12, 2010 8:57 AM

http://twitter.com/statuses/user_timeline/17047366.rss

Saying a prayer for Zahra's Mom. The photo of her hand over her mouth and an arm wrapped protectively around her tummy says it all. It brought me to tears. Every Mother's worse nightmare. May God bring her a peace that only he can give. Zahra is safe now in his arms, she now knows how much she is truly loved.

Can someone tell me when AB is supposed to appear in court for the threat and assault charges? I have a feeling they will nail him on that to keep him in place if he isn't locked up before then. This case makes me want to vomit.

I am jealous of those of you who can leave your emotions out of these cases.  I am afraid I wear my feelings on my sleeve and this case just breaks my heart in two.

I wonder if we will really hear something released from the police today?  This guy who is twittering, has not always been correct in what was going to happen.  I hope they will give us some kind of information today though.

Wondering if KB is still on line defending that POS AB or if she's gone silent.

Another channel is reporting a press conference today:
Police have scheduled a 4 p.m. news conference regarding the investigation. You can watch it live on wsoctv.com.

I have no words really but I'm relieved to know they may have found our Zahra, and I sincerely pray that ALL who are responsible for whatever may have happened are punished and spend the rest of their days in a cell!

It's terrible to think how this child suffered! All these babies being discarded like trash is so incomprehensible to me! I just don't understand! 

OMG 4 pm......seems like a lifetime away....waaaaaaaa.

My Dear Monkeys,
Thank you for staying on top of this.  It is great to know you all are here.  I was in the hospital from mid September until the end of October and saw Zahra's case in the news.  Like all of you I prayed for a better outcome but as time went on things looked more and more grim.  I live in Hickory and am planning to attend the vigil.  Since I'm still recuperating I have to find a ride with someone when I want to go somewhere but if there is anything I can do or take pics of locally let me know and I'll try to accomplish it for you.  It is so hard to believe that someone could do something so horrible to such a beautiful little girl.  Tears me up

Hope you are ok now and well on the way to being 100% again.  If you go to the vigil, just say an extra prayer for all us monkeys that are unable to attend.  This is the most horrible case ever.

http://www.foxnews.com/


breaking news....remains have been confirmed to be Zahra's.  Bless this child. 

FoxNews is calling it Breaking news:

Breaking News: Report: Police Confirm Remains Found in N.C. Are Those of Missing 10-Year-Old Girl

http://www.foxnews.com/

Is it being released what actually was found in regards to the body parts? ie, head, legs, arms?

I guess maybe we'll hear this at the presser.

Yes, just saw it on Foxnews - news conference is being scheduled       Rest with the angels Zahra  ::MonkeyAngel::

That is what I was wondering.  ::MonkeyNoNo::  4getUnot  Hope you are feeling much better  ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes Klass I will and I'll try to get some pictures there too.

OMG. This was heart-wrenching.

TY NRCG It feels great to be alive and home what more could one want!!!

I just saw it on Fox. We all knew, but it's confirmed.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There's never been a case like this on SM, has there Klaas? I can't imagine I would forget, but you'd know best.

I feel like we all need a group hug and barf bag.   ::MonkeyTears::

They'll arrest AB now.   ::MonkeyMad::

I hope today's the day he's locked up in the cage he belongs in.
I'm so furious, horrified and sickened, that a little vigilante justice would be a wonderful thing.
I hate these people so much, and it makes me crazy that he has my dad's first name.

Ugh....I am so sick to my stomach right now.  Any record yet of an arrest of AB??

Prayers and peace to Zahra's bio Mom.

How cruel to finally find her child and have it end like this.

Morning my good monkey friends.  I am afraid we will need to gather our strength and stand strong against what we will hear, this is such a horrific case.  Our consolation is that this sweet girl is in the arms of the angels.  No one can hurt her and she is loved beyond our imagining.

4getUnot, take care of yourself and I'm so sorry you've been ill!

The weather for Hickory is calling for showers on Tuesday and if I went I'd be coming through Boone. The vigil is supposed to be between 6 and 7pm. I'm a little worried about running into snow across the Mountain. I was on the Parkway Sunday, and would have been terrified had I been the one driving down the mountain with the driving snow. Any advice, 4getUnot? Are your mountains snowcapped? TIA?

Hope you are feeling better with each day. Like Klaas said please say and extra prayer from us.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope so CBB I hope so. The thought of the POS hiding behind mommies dearest makes me ::MonkeyMad::

Hi CBB!  I live in Hickory and we are below Lenoir at the foot of the mountains.  No snow here but don't know about farther up.  Be carefull because even if there is no snow there could be black ice from the rain. 

Ty Green Eyes  I will be saying prayers from us. 

CBB, be careful if you go.
Kinda O/T...What about a pic of Zahra and her Mum together? I wish I had the talent you all do...
I am having a hard time tearing myself away to go to work today. I will have Zahra, her Mum and all monkeys on my heart today.    ::MonkeyTears::

Such a sad case.    ::MonkeyNoNo::  Why hasn't the dad been arrested yet?

I'm going to guess that Elisa and Adam aren't arrested yet, because the case is being put together and when it is ready both of these loser monsters will be charged.

Hi Monkeys,

One of the ways I deal with my emotional attachment to Zahra and in all these cases is to be here in SM. I feel like I am snuggling in with our group, a group of great monkeys to bring what ever comfort we can to Zahra and those that truly love her. When you find yourself getting to upset or sad say prayers for her and come in to the group snuggle for her. She may have been poorly treated by some but we are many and here for her. We will see that she gets home and gets justice.

Love to her and all of you.
NM

Totally agree!  This case has bothered me so much that I've made only a few posts about it.  But I do appreciate so much the faithful monkeys who've kept us so well informed.  I'm so impressed with LE in NC.

Hopefully, ED can take her daughter back home to Australia.

Hopefully, AB will be arrested before I can post this message.

::MonkeyAngel::

We knew it was going to be sad news but this is horrific.

Methodically, Zahra was being murdered since her father brought her to the States. His neglect of her medical condition started it, his abandonment of his child to an abuser finished it. His direct participation hasn't been proved YET but just by giving himself a pass on being responsible for her well being is enough for me. Cancer recurrence,infection,flu...whatever could have been addressed if he had loved her enough to notice but he either chose not to or he is too dumb to be a parent.
If he had bothered to keep up with her medical needs any abuse that he apparently didn't notice would have been exposed by professionals.
They both make me sick and angry.

Rest in peace Zahra   ::MonkeyAngel::

As I mentioned the other day, on another thread, for some reason I can't usually get into Zahra's thread from work, but it so happened I found a work around today, only to find out this news.  However, I am at work, trying so hard not to cry, or 1. I'll get busted for being on here at work and 2. People will wonder what the heck is up with me crying.   In the mean time, I'm holding it in, feeling so totally sick to my stomach, beyond words.  I suppose as the rest of you all do.  No other words can come to mind, without getting in trouble....   

Thank you Lord for letting her be found, Now we pray that Zahra get's the proper Justice, at least while left on this earth, cause we know where they will be after that!  I also pray for peace for her bio mother, who, whatever has happened in her life, she is able to find peace, as it is only you who knows the truth, and the only one to judge.  Please be with her....

My prayers for Zahra, ED and her other children who must be terrified with their mom in another country and their sister they never had the chance to know murdered.

I felt in my heart that they had found Zahra.  I am so sick over this, I have tried to post several times, but just couldn't .  I have so many feelings right now - I have no words to describe.

What I know is Zahra showed such grace and poise during her short life.  She always had a smile on her freckled face.  Yet was going thru a living hell.  She overcame so much. 

I agree will all...this is the most horrific case I have ever heard of, and I fear we will hear details in the days to come that will add to the horror.

I am thankful to Hickory PD - investigators, searchers, and others who tirelessly searched for Zahra.  God Bless You All.  I pray that you will find peace with what you have had to do - which no doubt has to be most difficult.  Thank you for finding this dear baby.

Prayers to all who are hurting now - and Prayers for swift and sure justice for those involved.  May their nightmares haunt them and their pain be a thousand times worse than any they inflicted on Zahra.

I am with both of you.
This case has been the saddest case yet for me, there are no words really, but I do want both of those ghouls to pay with their own sorry lives.

Those who commit heinous crimes are rarely affected by their own actions.

As you can see, I am catching up, trying not to go straight to the end and miss anything.  But this video is making me tear up enough, I need to take a break in my car for a few and get myself together.  I don't even know why I am allowing myself to do this while at work, but since getting in thread, I can't leave.   I'll be back..... Prayers for all....

Mornin Donks  ::piggy::

i was thinking the same thing! how sad, to have had the life she has good or bad to be in another country to be told ur child is dead i could imagine would only make u want to hold ur living children that much closer..and for the girls, to be away from ur momma and know she is dealng with prolly the hardest thing in her life... how sad

This case is just as horrifying as Jessica Lunsford IMO. 

HLN just announced they will be carrying the presser @ 4pm.

Is there a fund set up to donate - so the mother can bury her daughter?
(I am assuming the mum doesn't have much money)

Good afternoon all,

Funny how I have wanted Zahra to be found and for justice to be served, yet when I saw the headlines on FOX NEWS my stomach turned.  This is heart wrenching.  I'm so sorry for Zahra, for Emily.  I am sending prayers for all. 

Terri

Kermit - not one that is reputable at the moment.  Hopefully the mum will provide information on that soon.  There is a Zahra fund but it is a fraud, IMO.

Very true, however, it's shocking to learn that these monsters know what they are doing. Elizabeth Smart lived to tell about her ordeal and how he knew clearly what he was doing to her every time he raped her.

I know Nut - and it infuriates me -

One can wish.....................

Thank you. Has anyone in Australia set one up do we know?
I just would think that the mum needs some financial help to bury her daughter.

::MonkeyNoNo:: And I will never be able to let Jessica out of my mind  ::MonkeyAngel::   I must have missed reading that Emily has other children, was not aware of that.

Mornin  ::CowboySmiley::

i believe it was in an  article or one of ED blogs, that she has 2 daughters that she thinks the world of...

would u like me to find a link??

wow that last post was not meant to sound as if she didnt not think of Zahra like that, sorry, it was just a phrase i remembered.. not meant to be mean or rude

Not that I know of yet but when I find out I'll be sure and make a thread for it. 

Thank-you about the info that she has two other daughters, somehow I just missed that.

So true, and how chilling what Elizabeth said. Bless her heart, how that girl has accomplished what she has from what happened to her is a miracle  ::MonkeyAngel::

She looked so pretty at the trial too  ::MonkeyAngel::

and your welcome bout the girls

She sure did  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

Thank you so much.

You are so helpful Klassend and it is probably not said enough - you do such an amazing job!

This case is really getting to me. I want so much to just turn back the clock and deny that evil like this exist, much less that a child should endure it. I had a sad opportunity to sing this at a memorial for a child years ago for one of my Son's close friends. I only did it because my son and his Mother asked me to. I didn't think I could get through it, but the words are so full of hope and Truth. I hope that it's a little comfort to us all and if Zahra's family should find their way here, I hope it's a hug for them. For Zahra and for us all:

Mom mentioned that her one daughter looked like Zahra. Must be heartbreaking.

http://www.casperfuneralservices.com/internationalfuneralshipping.htm?gclid=CIvFqdvvm6UCFQ915QodaH2PJg

# Our International Funeral Shipping costs are the lowest of any funeral home shipping provider.Our flat international funeral shipping service fee is $3,840.00* plus the international airfare to send your deceased loved one back home. The deceased shipping airfare is determined by the combined weight of the deceased, casket, and approved shipping container. We do not receive any commission or remuneration from the airlines for this expense. Casper Funeral Services has funeral home shipping partners in all major cities throughout the United States.


I hope they start a fund somewhere that we can donate to. You can at least double this because of the final funeral expenses.
My heart just breaks for this woman. I can not imagine the pain she is feeling and I pray I never have to find out.

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

I thought Of calling the newsroom at wsoctv to see if they had an address for Emily that I could send a card to with a donation.  If you guys would like me to, I will call and talk with someone in the newsroom about a fund.

Maybe the Red Cross could help get something set up.

That's so thoughtful, darla! I'd be interested to know what is being done and what could be done. Thanks for all of your efforts!

Foxnews (cable) is going to have an update shortly after the commercial break

Not until November 18 and 19.

Adam T. Baker’s upcoming court dates:

Caldwell County, Nov. 18

-Worthless check

-Failure to return property on which there is a purchase option

-Communicating threats

-Communicating threats, assault with a deadly weapon

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

 

Catawba County, Nov. 19

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

-Worthless check

Just thinking about something. Since Adam had custody of Zahra will Emily be able to take her back to Australia without his permission?

4getUnot,

It is so good to see you post and I am sorry you have been in the hospital.

I hope you are recuperating nicely.

It would be great if you feel up to it and have transportation that you could attend the vigil Tuesday.

This case is the saddest I have ever seen.

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/MonkeyGuys/angel2-crying.gif)

Horrifying for all of them  ::MonkeyAngel::

Sounds wonderful  ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope so! I've wondered the same thing, but surely, surely, surely, this can be worked out! I can't imagine Emily having to wade through Adam's relatives who enabled him to bring her here into a deathtrap, to give her daughter a proper funeral!

CBB....I just talked to Linda in the newsroom and asked her did she know of any place to make  donations and she said she had not heard of any but would check into it. I told her that some members of Scared Monkeys would like to help Zahra's mother Emily to get her baby back home. Said she would get back to me as soon as possible.

You're the best, darla! Thank You!!  ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank You darla ::MonkeyAngel::

I would think that if Adam is charged with anything that Emily would be the next of kin.

You are welcome...Linda seemed to think the idea was wonderful and said she would do what she could.

If I could see to drive well enough at night, I would go to the vigil Tuesday.

4:00 PM?  Would that be 1:00 PM Pacific Time.

Thanks

Janet

++++++

Remains Found in North Carolina Reportedly Confirmed to Be Those of Missing Girl, 10
Published November 12, 2010

The human remains found in North Carolina Wednesday were confirmed to be those of missing Australian 10-year-old Zahra Baker, WCNC-TV reported Friday, citing a source close to the investigation.

The source said police in Hickory, N.C., will hold a news conference at 4:00 p.m. local time to announce that the remains have been identified.

Authorities released a statement Thursday that potentially valuable evidence had been discovered.

"Search teams in Caldwell County yesterday located evidence that could provide valuable information in the Zahra Baker case," the statement said. "This evidence will be analyzed at the NC State Bureau of Investigation's lab. We understand the concern and interest in this case by the public but we must be cautious in prematurely releasing information so it will not jeopardize any future criminal proceedings."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/11/12/remains-north-carolina-reportedly-confirmed-missing-girl/

Thank you Pink for the update.  Is there a link where I can watch it live?  4 pm is that central or eastern time?

I would too, but I'm wondering if he'd have to be dead to constitute that. I do not want him to be able to turn things over to his family and I do not want it to be his call.   ::MonkeyMad::

Police To Release More Information In Zahra Case

CALDWELL COUNTY, N.C. -- Hickory police have scheduled a 4 p.m. news conference about evidence in the disappearance of 10-year-old Zahra Baker. You can watch that news conference live on wsoctv.com.

 VIDEO: Police To Release New Information In Zahra Case


Police said Thursday that evidence located in Caldwell County on Wednesday could provide "valuable" information in the investigation into the girl’s disappearance. A source confirmed to Channel 9 that the evidence found along Dudley Shoals Road was human remains, which are now being analyzed.

MORE,,,,

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25758518/detail.html

My guess would be that if custody is successfully contested by bio mom, there will be a memorial service here & very possibly a plane trip home to her birthplace for burial.   Unfortunately, I dont anticipate any arrangements being able to take place for at least another week, if not more.

I dont pretend to know the details of how Emily lost or gave up custody but there is something telling me that it was under duress.   Considering what has transpired now, we dont know if Adam ahole didnt push Emily over the edge in some manner -- something just isnt sitting right with me but I must say I feel for this woman & I dont think she was horribly negligent in wanting to take care of her daughter but something much more deep seeded...this case is just too horrific for words & I hope Zahra's murderer(s) suffer the ultimate consequence sooner than later.

4:00pm Eastern is 1:00pm Pacific, Janet.

Thanks Darla  ::MonkeyAngel::

ED never gave up parental rights and was paying child support. She had rights that AB denied her by hiding Zahra's location. Hopefully he will be in jail and she is next of kin not evil KB.

Thanks CBB.

I realize that there is a 3 hour time difference between Eastern and Pacific but ... I did not have a clue what time zone Hickory, NC was.

Janet

Police to release details in Zahra case after 'possible human remains' found

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - Hickory Police will speak to the media Friday afternoon after a stunning week of events in the case of a missing 10-year-old girl.

Police will hold a media briefing at 4 pm Friday after possible human remains were found Wednesday in Caldwell County when authorities were searching for clues related to missing Hickory girl, Zahra Baker.

 Check back here at 4 pm for LIVE video of the media conference

MORE..

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13465050

Thank you Darla  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks for clearing that up for me - Ive commented here but havent read back, only following on news.

Stations that will carry news conference live:

http://www.wsoctv.com/index.html
http://www.wcnc.com/
http://www.wbtv.com/

I have been working... I see a lot has been happening while I was away from here.  Even though in my heart, I knew they found her there, it still just breaks my heart into a million pieces that anyone could be so heartless and sick.  There truly is evil in the world and to know that Zahra had to live with it and be abused by it is absolutely one of the most sickening things I have ever encountered.  God Bless Zahra and help heal the aching hearts of all those who love her.  Her spirit will forever shine down from Heaven!
 ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for these comforting thoughts NM.  I am snuggling.....

Perhaps Tibro or Nightowl will know the answer. Can KB be charged in Au for aiding AB in hiding Zahra from her mom or with aiding in her removal from the country without her mom's permission. I think that KB is partially responsible for Zahra's death and hope somewhere there will be justice for the mom.

Thanks Curly.  I am watching the breaking news on HLN now.

I'm so sorry if I missed this also, if Emily was paying child support where was the money going? You would think it would go to the address of where Adam lived but it must go to the court? You would think that if you are paying you could at least see your child  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Please let us know Darla.  I too think she is going to need financial assistance for this.

All I can say is... the sorry POS better allow Emily to have Zahra now! 

Thanks Darla... please keep us informed.  I would like to help too.

Thank you for writing this.  I know I will be sending strength for those monkeys who will be going to the memorial.  Though I am too far away to go I will be there in spirit and I know I will be crying more tears that day.  This case is horrendous if even half of what the speculation about how Zahra was treated is true.  Monkeys have shown again how compassionate they are as a group and how we can lean on each other as we await justice to be served.   

Emily and Adam would be the next of kin.  Hopefully he will be in jail so I do not see the Baker's being able to stop Emily legally from bringing Zahra back to Australia and giving her a proper funeral.  I can see them however fighting and bad mouthing Emily on any decision she makes.

And I knew it all along.... I knew those monsters did horrble things to precious Zahra but now that it is confirmed, I can barely deal with it.  Thank God for all my monkey friends who stand against the evil in this world.  ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears:: ::MonkeyTears::

I am thinking KB won't have much to say because nobody will listen after AB is arrested.  I think authorities will be standing behind Emily.  I am praying for that.

Oh 4getunot, I wish I or we would have known you were in the hospital.  That's along time!  We would have been praying for you, unless it was posted and I missed it.  I hope you get better soon!  Thank you so much for going to the vigil on behalf of all of us.  Please pray and even let them know of a great group of monkeys who has been here all the way for them in prayer, if you get a chance.  I am sure it helps to know when you know people are out there, even from such a distance who truly care.  God Bless them and prayers for your recuperation!

Exactly!

In the case of a divorced couple the desirable thing is for the parents to work together but the custodial parent would have the final say.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100702064631AAqD32N

doesn't say anything about if the custodial parent is in jail.

You got it Bananas!
That's why this is such a great place to snuggle in comfort.

Agreed!  It has taken me some time to calm down.  I am not sure I can bear to watch the press conference but I know I will.  Thanks for the comfort NM.  I work at home and am here by myself so I really have no distractions from this horror.

I wonder if the decision would be based on American or Australian law. The custody was under Au law and she came to us under a fraudulently obtained passport.

she payed him child support but it went directly into an account and she was not allowed his info, so he could move and still have an atm card or checks to that acct without having to notify of address changes i would think.

I hear you Bananas.  I too work remotely from home, and to say I've been distracted today is an understatement.  This is heart-wrenching.

It is quite distracting.  My thoughts are with Zahra and her mom in everything I do today.  Actually, this has been ongoing but today is gut wrenching.  I am going to try to get back to work for a little while but I will be checking in here often.  {{{HUGS}}} to you Irish Monkey.

I no longer have Cable News.... do we have any links to catch it live on video?

Oh...here's one.... I'll have to wait and see at the time if it will work for me.
http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?tag=watch-zahra-baker-press-conference

((((Hugs Back to YOU)))

Brandi, as always, you take my breath away with your skills.         ::MonkeyAngel::

This took my breath away Brandi!  Thank you for this beautiful photo.

Ummmmmmm we seem to have some of the same thoughts Irish Monkey!

Nut - when it gets closer to time I know the local Charlotte and Hickory websites will be covering the PC live.  I'll post a link then.  FYI - even though I do have cable I will be watching online.

That's too funny!  At least we got a little smile to break up the sadness today!   

Janet? I'm sorry, I'm trying to work and follow the thread......... not doing either very well.  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Yes, Hickory is Eastern Time Zone.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.thepressbuzz.com/360/zahra-baker-case-more-questions/

"Zahra Baker's Father Arrested This Morning"



Disclaimer:  I don't know if this is reliable...

Thank-you, this just doesn't seem right to me, but if this is their laws there, nothing a person can do I suppose  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Casey was in jail and had to sign over the next of kin to her parents, so they could claim Caylee.

I truly hope this is true.    Brandi thank-you for the lovely picture.

Oooh.  I hope so.  Any way to check this?

I don't know if it's just this latest news or this combined with other things in my life right now, but I had to take a break from work and sit in my car and just cry.  Poor Zahra. 

(((Hugs to you!)))

I hope he has been arrested.  I am sure we will know that when the press conference comes on.

{{{{GREAT BIG GROUP HUG}}}}

me thinks we can all use a hug today.

 :smt056 :smt056

I checked where Alisa is but he's not listed yet:

http://injail.catawbacountync.gov/WhosInJail/

Aside from this horrendous crime that ended the life of this child, it needs to be determined how exactly this child came to reside in the USA.

Did AB bring his minor child, Zahra, to the US, by fradulent means, which resulted in that child's death?

I'm sure the Australian authorities are going to be interested in this as well.

I'd like to think the Australian authorities also want to know why he continued to keep this child away from her mother without a legal court order.

(His mother, KB, was also a part of this)

I wonder what Aussie law says about these issues?

Thanks for checking Klaas.

AB is living in Hudson. What county is that ?

I hate to go here, but it's going to be important for the trial. I wonder if they were able to determine a framework for time of death based on the remains? I remember in Caylee's case that there was speculation that if there was soft tissue remaining, it could be possible to better determine cause.

Hudson is in Caldwell County.

Hudson is a town in Caldwell County, North Carolina

Weren't the remains found in Catawba County though? 

Very nice, Brandi. 

Mother and daughter united after all these years.   :smt055

AB will never be able to come in between them again.

Based on this impressive list of charges, I surmise that this despicable duo were into drugs and that Zahra's death and disappearance was a "brilliant" drug-induced scheme to get some more money into their coffers. The fake ransom note--all part of the groundwork to make the disappearance believable. Then, hopefully boss would help AB out with money to get Zahra back (it was supposed to be HIS daughter after all). If that failed, there was always a compassionate public and missing-person organizations to come up with funding.

Thanks Northern Rose.  You are appreciated.

35 minutes to go??

Janet

Hickory is in Catawba County and Hudson is in neighboring Caldwell County.

The map may be a little misleading without a scale. From the middle of Hudson to the middle of Hickory is only about 13 miles.

Yes.  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.wcnc.com/
just put up their live video window

Can one of you please post what is going on in the presser?  I am at work, and am not able to watch the love video.  Thank you!!!!!!!!! :wink:

whoops...meant to type LIVE video..not lOVE :2brickwall:

me too! :) lol.

I hadn't even noticed the typo, WesleyBear! I'm sure there will be lots of posts so you can follow the presser.  ::MonkeyWink::

For you too, dejasade!

Only about 8 minutes to go.  Thanks for posting the internet links to watch for those who don't have cable or can't access a tv right now.

Link to the PC

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25774361/index.html

another live vid
http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25774361/index.html

will post for those that can't watch.

HLN LIVE PRESSER NOW  - We deep regret...."Cant get into specifics"

Thanks all.....for the links

It is with great regret - they have recovered enough physical evidence to believe they have found Zahra.  The DNA from the bone found on Christie road matches Zahra. 

Remains found on Dudley Schoals road - the remains are consistent with Zahra but the tests are not complete yet.

First bone found was Zahra's.
Remains consistent with Zahra..still not authenticated by lab.

DNA from the bone found on Christy Rd matched samples within the house and was Zahra's. Remains found on Dudley Rd were consistent with a child and will be tested for positive ID.

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25774361/index.html

works for me

Dna from bone on Christie Road, matches the Dna from the house.

Dna from both mother and father and a profile created.

Dudley Shoals road have been sent to SBI. 

The bones are consistant with it being a child.

Information from this point on will be limited.

Police in room. They will not take questions.  The DNA from bone found on Christy road matched DNA sample from house. DNA samples from mother and father will be used to create DNA profile for Zahra. The Remains ffound rom Dudly shoals road sent to be ID'd. ME on sight said the remains found were consisitant with a child.

Officers are devastated they could not bring Zahra home alive. The town mourns, the country mourns and the world mourns.

That was very short, no questions answered and very little information given.  They are holding back detaiils right now.

PC was very short.  Did not mention anything about Adam being re-arrested.  Did not take any questions.  I'll copy the video of the PC once it's up so it can be watched by those who missed it.

That was short. So DNA samples from the Baker house believed to be from Zahra, match the child's bones found. Basically they are confirming it's Zahra, although not officially.

Very well said.  Pretty short presser...but then again...what else is there really to say. 

That's it. Very short, but you could see the pain.

I'm very impressed with LE so far in this case.

A complete DNA makeup will be made from swabs of both her mother and father.

No date for confirmation of bones yet.

This is so sad, that poor little girl.  The press conference was shown live here.  The reporter travelling with ED is talking now and he says from information that he has heard but can't talk about yet, he doesn't think that an arrest is imminent, unless some other major piece of evidence comes to light.  I assume he means AB.

Thank you all for the overview.

The live stream cut out for me.

Janet

LE has done an outstanding job, no doubt about it!

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::MonkeyEek:: Thank-you  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks everyone that provided the links for the press conference and those that gave information for folks that weren't able to view.  This is just so sad.  ::MonkeyTears::  I hope we can hear more upcoming news, like some arrests. 

THanks for the updates.  I was able to sneak away into the break room and watch the presser on TV.  Sad Sad situation.  Do you guys believe they dismembered her?  How can someone do that to another human being let alone a precious 10 year old child, who has had nothing but battles in her life.  I am just happy she is away from the hell on earth she was living and has finally found her peace. 

Nancy Grace is supposed to be dedicating an hour tonight on this case and speaking to the photographer traveling with Emily.

I don't get it. Do they think EB buried remains by herself? That 911 call is enough for me to know he was part of it.

HLN replaying presser NOW>

I hope Adam is terrified.
they said he had a meeting with 2 of the step-monster's daughters.
I want him arrested.

Yes, they sure have but it wont be complete until the monster(s) answer to the heinous crimes they committed upon this beautiful young girl, a girl who lived to survive...only to be denied that right by despicable poor excuses for human beings.  You'd have to be a rock not to be completely heartbroken that an evil individual would even think to do these unimaginable acts on any child much less one that was surviving cancer & had lost a limb in that fight.    Too bad there arent public squares in modern society, Id like a hand in throwing a few fatal blows to this monster(s).

I don't get it either.  They haven't named a person of interest or suspect.

Perhaps they are waiting on more test results to be certain before they pursue further action or are waiting to put together a grand jury?

I see, you have that baton all ready to go! 

Thank you for posting links.  Great job, LE.  Bravo.

This case has been so hard on the chief and on all the investigators and searchers (and Monkeys).  Did we hear him say anything about a continuing search for additional evidence or remains?  Perhaps they have found all of Zahra's remains?  If so, it is curious that there was an apparent shallow grave on Dudley Shoals, and a single "bone" on Christy Road, where the prosthetic leg was also found.  What about the Indian Graves search the other day... did we find out whether anything they found there was related to Zahra?  I'm curious whether they have recovered all of her remains, and if not, whether they will continue to search.

Also, he mentioned that DNA in the recovered "bone" was matched to Zahra's DNA obtained from the 21st Ave. home.  I'm thinking... that does not necessarily mean that she made the move to that house, right?  The DNA from the home could have come from a toothbrush, hairbrush, clothing, or something like that, yes?  Or even from the hearing aids? 

Poor precious Zahra!  Yes, our hearts go out to Emily.  We weep with her.  Bless her and comfort her.

I hope others find Adam before he is arrested and just beat the s**t out of him!!! ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

If they don't arrest him immediately, I think they should persue him into the center of town for a little stroll. I'd be just fine if he had a little 911 emergency before his arrest.   ::CowboySmiley::

For the most part I am too.  However ... when you consider the 911 call reporting Zahra missing ... why has Adam not been indicted along with his wife.  It would make sense that the false 911 missing persons report by Adam and the fake ransom note written by Elisa should BOTH be considered obsruction of justice.

Janet

+++++


Elisa Baker indicted on felony obstruction of justice charge
Posted on November 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM

CATAWBA COUNTY, N.C. -- A Catawba County grand jury indicted Elisa Baker on a felony obstruction of justice charge Monday afternoon.

Police charged Baker with obstruction of justice on Oct. 11. Baker allegedly wrote a fake ransom note that was found at her home the day her stepdaughter, 10-year-old Zahra Baker, was reported missing.

Baker was arrested on charges unrelated to Zahra Baker’s disappearance on Oct. 10; the day after the 10-year-old was reported missing.

The case will go to trial in January 2011.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/zahra-baker/Elisa-Baker-indicted-on-felony-obstruction-of-justice-charge-106474898.html

LOL!! High Five!!

I am thinking the Grand Jury will be meeting soon to hand down indictments. There is no way with Zahra's little body scattered here and yonder that Adam is not guilty as sin and I can't wait to see his perp walk. My heart is broken for Zahra's mother. But know that Zahra is whole again in Heaven being shown all the love she never had here.

And I can't find it in me to ask for mercy on AB ,EB, KB's soul.

Or the mattress.

I thought police have confirmed Zahra did make the move previously...

This would have been easy to determine by dusting the house for prints.

I agree. And who goes around trying to already cover their butts in a 911 call?
ADAM BAKER: No.. like I said we, uh, had all that drama last night and we... me and my wife went back to bed. And my daughter is I think's coming into puberty.. cause she is hitting that brooding stage (laughter) so we only see her when she comes out when she wants something. And that's about it.
And that's just the least of what was wrong with that call. There was so much groundwork being laid, you'd think think he was up for the "Turf Technician of the Year" Award.

This man is an outstanding LE officer in my opinion.  He cares and he works hard for justice.  I hope they will find enough evidence to bring justice down on the creeps who did this to Zahra.

You and me both KCJackie ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

Warning! Gruesome comments to follow.
I wonder if her father intially dismembered her body to facilitate putting parts through the wood chipper. The dogs hit on the chipper iirc. Maybe it didn't work out to well so he hid the parts in different areas, hoping not to arouse suspicion with too many bones in one area.

I have to wonder if the bone they found was the leg with the prosthetic?  I dunno... so sickening to think about all this.  Time will tell what these monsters did.  I am sure of it.  The Hickory PD seem to be dotting all their i's and crossing all their t's.  I am going to go back to working again so I can find some escape from these thoughts.  Thanks for all the links, updates, and most of all comfort offered today by all you wonderful monkeys.

 :gaah: ::MonkeyJustice:: :gaah: ::MonkeyJustice::

OK, it's established that Curly, Capp, Jackie, Green Eyes and I are vigilantes.

There are reasons we aren't in charge, guys.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

I wouldn't make a good judge. I'd just put them both in a cage right now and bring them out to beat them at mealtimes until I  worked up an appetite.    ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think you are right the police are just waiting, and I'm sure they are watching Adam very closely  ::MonkeyNoNo::

So does anyone know if the so called dad has been arrested? I mean surely he will be right?

I don't know, but the whole thing is just stupid as well as gruesome. The more locations you leave bones, the better chance one will be found. It only takes one to match DNA.

Add my name to that list also CBB.....but my thoughts go a little more violent. If he stuck his head out the door I would blow his brains all the way to the bottom pits of hell.

Police: DNA evidence shows missing 10-year-old girl is deadBy the CNN Wire Staff
November 12, 2010 -- Updated 2127 GMT (0527 HKT)

(CNN) -- The search for -- and the life of -- a freckle-faced 10-year-old North Carolina girl is over, with police announcing Friday that they had found her remains.

"Today our community moruns, our state mourns, our nation mourns, and the world mourns," said Hickory, North Carolina, police Chief Tom Adkins.

Adkins said that the DNA found on a dug-up bone off Christie Road in Caldwell County -- the same place her prosthetic leg was recovered late last month -- was consistent with that taken from Zahra's personal items.

Using DNA swabs taken from the girls' biological father and mother, investigators are trying to confirm that human remains found at a site five miles away also belonged to Zahra, according to Adkins. But he said the medical examiner's staff onsite said those bones appeared to have belonged to a girl of Zahra's age.

"Investigators, agents, officers and staff. who have worked on this case are devastated that they were not able to bring Zahra home alive," said Adkins.

The girl's stepmother Elisa Baker reported Zahra missing on October 9, then was arrested the next day after police said she admitted writing a fake ransom note found at the family's Hickory, North Carolina, home. But no one other than a relative has seen Zahra since September 25, according to authorities, when a woman said she saw the girl at a furniture store.

In mid-October, police announced they were approaching Zahra's disappearance as a homicide.

The disappearance of Zahra, who had persevered through numerous health battles and wore hearing aids, has made international news. Zahra, whose biological parents were both from Australia, lost her leg to bone cancer at age 5 and reportedly developed lung cancer a few years later.

The girl's father, Adam Troy Baker, was arrested late last month in nearby Catawba County on eight charges -- including five counts of writing bad checks and three counts of failing to appear in court -- which authorities said were unrelated to Zahra's disappearance. He was later released on bail.

His wife, Elisa Baker, remains in jail. Besides an obstruction of justice charge for the ransom note, as well as writing worthless checks. Police said that she has been cooperating with investigators, including leading them to search sites.

Friday's announcement is the most significant, but not the first major development in the search for Zahra's remains. On October 27, investigators announced they had found the 10-year-old's prosthetic leg in a brushy area off a North Carolina road. And earlier this month, authorities reported finding a bone that might be related to the case.


Video - Press Conferencehttp://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/11/12/north.carolina.missing.girl/index.html

Maybe Adam was with police yesterday to do a cheek swab?

And please don't ask me what I would like to do that dark hearted biotch sitting in jail.

Nice artwork, KC.

My neighbor says they should put both Adam and Elisa into the wood chipper, alive, feet first.

He is very upset about this horrific crime.

Hi CBB!  ::MonkeyKiss::

There are a lot of tweets going on from people in NC that want to physically get AB. This jerk may not even make it to the arrest stage!

Very telling that LE conducted cheek swabs on both biological parents in order to work up a complete DNA profile for Zahra. Usually DNA from one parent is sufficient for identification purposes. Caylee's remains were identified through Casey's DNA and we still don't know who her father was...

I'm afraid the need for a complete DNA profile supports what one of NGs experts reported on last night's show....

Zahra was dismembered...

her prosthesis and above the knee amputated femur found at the Christy Rd search site.

Zahra's torso and head located at the Dudley Schoals search site,

and her arms and leg put through the wood chipper in the back yard at 21 21st St. The prosthesis would have destroyed the chipper.


While I am beyond saddened by this baby's death and the way in which her body was treated, I am grateful that LE has been quiet and taken the care to put Zahra together again so that she may be returned to her beloved Australia, the people she loved, and to be buried with the dignity, honor  and respect she so deserves.

Uhm......, yeah, darla. I think you can pick up your badge.   ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Unlike how they obviously viewed themselves, neither Baker is anywhere close to being the sharpest knife in the drawer imo. And I don't think their obtuseness can just be a case of substance abuse. I think they were born with it (or without it as the case may be).

  ::MonkeyGavel:: Sounds good to me!!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Wow...by the time I typed out my post many monkeys beat me. Looks like many are leaning in the same direction concerning Zahra's death. You guys rock!

I'm feeling more confident that I can make it through a snowstorm......... just sayin'.
Thanks, Sassy!

Was the expert on NG just speculating, or did he/she claim some inside knowledge?

 ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::monkeywine2:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Hi Samarie! Forgive me for being dense, but I'm not sure I understand why a possible dismemberment would be a different match than having the entire body intact?  Why would the process be effected by how much of a body you were testing? TIA!

Scatty, here's a youtube clip of the segment, it's towards the end of the video. Given what we do know, it makes sense.

More Gruesome comments~

Unless he tried to put her through the woodchipper and ran into some problems and knew he couldn't get the torso or head through it and decided to bury the rest.

I think he should be dismembered and run through the woodchipper.

What a scumbag!

I am not going to even try to imagine what I would do... it would be unchristian.

Geez, forgot the link:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Sierra1947#p/u/5/BKByLTem65k

CBB - I'm thinking the woodchipper and burning of the mulch pile may give some false/altered DNA results, therefore ID may require a complete DNA profile.

After Cappuchino beats him with her baton, that is.  ::MonkeyWink::

Maybe that is why the police were searching so hard in the mulch, if it is true that Zahra's leg and arms were put in the woodchipper  ::MonkeyNoNo::  I am having a very hard time believing that part was done, but time will tell and more evidence may be given. Wouldn't there be so much blood in and around the woodchipper if that was done? I know they said some blood was found but it was a worker's blood? I may be wrong on that.

Actually, tying him to a train track might be a little more effective....

I really need to get my mind to a more positive place....

I think some of this supposition will ring true!

Since LE removed sinks and drains while searching the house, I would think they believe Zahra was dismembered in the house. By the time the evil twins disposed of her body parts most blood would have been drained. I can't type this kind of crap anymore....too gruesome and I hate that my mind can go there. ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am not sure CBB the only thing I can think of is that they want to make sure that every bone (sorry) of Zahra they find is that it's really her. So there will be no question when they go to trial. Hope that makes sense.

BBM   Ah yes, good thinking:  the new-looking twin mattress LE removed from the house.  Yes, possibly they were able to obtain Zahra's DNA from that mattress.  Of course, the presence of Zahra's DNA on this mattress would not prove that Zahra had lived in that home, since the mattress could have been moved there from a previous address.

I do agree with you that LE certainly knows whether or not Zahra's fingerprints are in the 21st Avenue home.  However, I personally have not heard or read that LE has confirmed via fingerprint or any other evidence that Zahra was ever alive or present at that house.  (I may have missed this.)  Sure would like to know, though.  Do you recall whether they have announced this or not?

If the recollection of the furniture store employees is accurate, that would place Zahra with Elisa in Hickory on September 25 -- possibly indicating that she did make the move from the trailer to Hickory.  However, IIRC this alleged sighting was the only instance of anyone outside of Adam or Elisa claiming to have seen Zahra alive since the the August move, and I have not heard whether LE was able to corroborate this sighting and/or date.

IMO without evidence to the contrary, it remains suspicious that the neighbors at the mobile home park remember seeing Adam and Elisa in the process of moving out, but did not see Zahra with them.  And how the neighbors at the new house never saw her either -- they never even heard of Zahra or knew Adam had a daughter living with him.  If Zahra ever lived in the 21st Avenue house, she may as well have been invisible.  That is not to say she didn't -- Mrs. Mims the landlady never knew Zahra lived in the Granite Falls apartment, either.

I hope we will someday know Zahra's story, and what happened to her.

Yes, sadly I think there must be a reason they removed the sinks....  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I'm also wondering if the "worker's" blood on the woodchipper could be ABs?

I'm thinking drawn and quartered would be fitting.

I believe that is speculation and hasn't been determined. 

Once they get these DNA profiles established, it should be easy to rule in or out.

From my understanding, running wood in the chipper following body parts, should clean it up somehow, especially if a lot wasn't sent through.

I'm of the opinion maybe it was attempted and abandoned and the remainder of the body was buried.

Those who missed the live feed can listen to the press conference at the about link.

Janet

Somehow I believe that ... unlike so many missing children ... justice is going to prevail for Zahra.

Later, Janet
2:16 PM PT 

Channel 9 WSOCtv will be airing a special on the Zahra case at 7 pm tonight. Not sure if it will be available online or not. There is a way to hook my tv to my computer but not smart enough to figure it out or I would stream it live.

I believe you are correct.

These officers, local LE, FBI, SBI- all those connected to this case, have given their all to bring justice for this child.

They will do all they can to bring this case to it's conclusion.

Raw video of todays press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/v/8B3sav8q43k?fs=1&hl=en_US&color1=0xcc2550&color2=0xe87a9f

Thank-you I should have known that  ::MonkeyNoNo:: just can't imagine someone doing such a horrific thing.

What time is the vigil scheduled for, and where will it be held? 

Hickory is 4 hours away and we are debating about attending.  It would be nice to meet up with our fellow monkey's as well.

Perhaps someone should have a poster representing scaredmonkeys?

Police confirm remains found at Gunpowder Creek belong to missing girl Zahra Baker

    * Tuck Thompson and wires
    * From: The Courier-Mail
    * November 13, 2010 7:24AM

HICKORY Police Chief Tom Adkins has officially confirmed that the remains buried on the edge of Gunpowder Creek in North Carolina belong to missing girl Zahra Baker.

Adkins said “We have recovered enough physical evidence to know that the remains were of Zahra.”

“Our county mourns, our state mourns, and the nation mourns.”

He said the investigators, agents and staff that worked on the case are "devastated that we were unable to find Zhara alive".

Adkins said that DNA samples taken from Zahra's family members confirmed the identity of the remains.

Wagga Wagga-born Zahra, 10, was reported missing from her North Carolina home on October 9. Police have been searching for her for 35 days.

The Gunpowder Creek site is a secluded location used by hunters to dump deer carcasses and a short drive from where Zahra's American stepmother, Elisa Baker, once lived.

It is believed police search teams were directed to the site by Elisa, who is being held in custody on an obstruction of justice charge for allegedly writing a fake $US1 million ($A1.0 million) ransom note.

The discovery of the remains came just hours before Zahra's biological mother, Emily Dietrich, flew from Australia to the town of Hickory to view where her estranged daughter spent the last two years.

Zahra, who moved with her father Adam to live in the US with Elisa, had the lower half of her left leg amputated five years ago after being stricken by bone cancer.''

- Tuck Thompson and wires

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/police-confirm-remains-found-at-gunpowder-creek-belong-to-missing-girl-zahra-baker/story-e6freooo-1225952980210

Is there a death penalty in NC? After re-reading details of young Zahra's abuse in the Timeline thread, I certainly hope so. I really, really hate the gruesome twosome. I hope they both get to rot in hell soon.

2 friends have passed in a 24hr span, im overwhelmed
i do wish peace to the hearts of all involved with
the Zahra Baker case and....
lets not forget the dedicated men and women of LE

POLICEMAN
 
What is a Policeman?
A policeman is a composite of what all men are... a mingling of saint and sinners... dust and deity. Cold statistics wave the fan over the stinkers...underscore instances of dishonesty and brutality because they are news.

What that REALLY means is they are exceptional, unusual - not commonplace. Buried under the froth is the fact that less than one half of one percent of policemen misfit that uniform. And that's a better average than among clergymen.

What is a policeman made of. He of all men is at one the most needed and the most unwanted... a strangely nameless creature who is "sir" to his face... and "pig" to his back.

He must be such a diplomat that he can settle differences between individuals... so that each will think he won... But if the policeman is neat, he's a flirt. If he's not, he's a grouch.

In an instant he must make decisions which require months for a lawyer. But if he hurries, he's careless. If he's deliberate, he's lazy. He must be first to an accident... infallible with a diagnosis... he must be able to start breathing, stop bleeding, tie splints and above all be sure the victim goes home without a limp, or expect to be sued.

The police officer must know every gun... draw on the run... and hit where it doesn't hurt. He must be able to whip two men his size and half his age....without damaging his uniform and without being brutal. If you hit him, he's a coward. If he hits you, he's a bully.

A policeman must know everything and not tell. He must know where all the sin is and not partake.

The policeman must, from a single human hair, be able to describe the crime, the weapon and the criminal.. and tell you where the criminal is hiding. But if he catches the criminal he's lucky... if he doesn't he's a dunce. If he gets promoted he has political pull. If he doesn't he's a dullard.

The policeman must chase bum leads to a dead end and stake out ten nights to tag one witness who saw it happen, but refused to remember.

He runs files and writes reports until his eyes ache to build a case against some felon who will get dealed out by a shameless shamus or an honorable who isn't.

A policeman must be a minister... social worker... a diplomat... a tough guy... and a gentleman.

And of course he will have to be a genius... for he will have to feed a family on a policeman's salary.

-Author Unknown




A POLICE OFFICER'S PRAYER

Lord I ask for courage

Courage to face and
Conquer my own fears...

Courage to take me
Where others will not go...

I ask for strength

Strength of body to protect others
And strength of spirit to lead others...

I ask for dedication

Dedication to my job, to do it well
Dedication to my community
To keep it safe...

Give me Lord, concern
For others who trust me
And compassion for those who need me...

And please Lord

Through it all
Be at my side...

--Author Unknown
 

 thank you law enforcement for all you do

Police confirm Zahra Baker's body found in woodland

    * By staff writers
    * From: news.com.au
    * November 13, 2010 8:21AM

    * Police confirm they have found Zahra
    * Enough evidence to believe remains are her
    * Girl's prosthetic leg found in landfill

HUMAN remains found in a wood in North Carolina earlier this week have been identified as those of missing Australian girl Zahra Baker.

The breakthrough in the tragic case of the missing 10-year-old Australian cancer survivor came when police matched Zahra's DNA with a bone found in bushland.

In a separate find, police search teams on Wednesday discovered human remains buried on the edge of Gunpowder Creek.

Hickory Police Department chief Tom Adkins said although tests have to be undertaken on the remains "they are consistent with a child''.

"We have recovered enough physical evidence to believe we have found Zahra,'' an emotional chief Adkins told reporters at a press conference.

"All the police working on the case are devastated we were not able to find Zahra alive," he said.

Zahra’s father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, reported the girl missing on October 9, but police announced days later that they were investigating the disappearance as a homicide.

Investigators, who have said Zahra was last seen on September 25, used cadaver dogs to search her family’s car and home.

Elisa Baker was arrested on unrelated charges after reporting the girl’s disappearance. She later admitted to writing a $1 million ransom note in connection with the case and was charged with obstruction of justice.

Adam Baker was later arrested on charges of writing bad checks.

Zahra was born in Australia but moved to the US after Adam Baker met the woman who would become her stepmother on the internet two years ago. Zahra suffered from hearing loss and had her lower leg amputated due to two bouts with cancer.

http://www.news.com.au/world/human-remains-found-in-search-for-zahra/story-e6frfkyi-1225952415625

:smt041   :smt041   :smt041

Now there is a great idea  and the one watching may just tell the truth.

6 PM Tuesday, IIRC.

It will be interesting to see how quickly AB and his attorney are back at LE headquarters "ready to talk". 

I am devastated.  Although this is what we all expected and had hoped for a resolution as to Zahra's whereabouts, the announcement is still no easier to bear.

I am in awe of the LE who searched and grieved during this case.  They are all family men and women and must have the most difficult time coping with a case as horrifying as this.  God bless them.

This case in all over our media this morning.  I will keep watch for any interviews or docos that may be televised in the days to come and link to here for the monkeys.

I have read through here this  morning and will try to answer those questions that I remember have been asked.

Karen Baker would have no legal rights on Zahra unless an Australian court gave her those rights, in which case I would expect Emily would not have been required to contribute the payments to our Child Welfare Dept which in turn were remitted to Adam's bank account.

I do not know of any fund set up here for funeral expenses for Emily to bring Zahra home.  Nightowl may know of something in the Townsville area.  It depends on personal beliefs but in cases such as dismemberment of a body, cremation is the preferred option and bringing Zahra's ashes home would not incur any expense.

I wish a safe journey to those who plan to attend the vigil.  I will be there with you in spirit.

Thank you to the clever monkeys who calm us with their art work.  Also thank you to Klaas for holding this thread together with such a sad but angry bunch of monkeys.

I am now heading out to my local plant nursery to purchase a native Daisy which I will plant close to my living room window as a permanent reminder of our sweet Zahra.

Go in peace with the angels little one.

Emily's family and friends have the following rose on their FB for Emily.  The daisy was started by the Bakers after Emily's friends started the rose.  If Emily is at the memorial it would probably mean a lot to her to see a few of these around her. 

I have a question.  I don't know the whole details on the Grand Jury process so bear with me.  I'm assuming that the possible suspect is NOT brought in to be questioned in front of the Grand Jury, correct?  It seems quite likely that both AB and EB were in this together in some fashion and both would be charged in Zahra's death.
So, I would guess then that EB could not be brought in to be questioned for the possible charges to be pressed on AB because then EB would be implicating herself.  And the same in the other direction - AB wouldn't be brought in to be questioned for possible charges on EB because he would be implicating HIMself.

Am I making you dizzy yet?

<snipped>

HICKORY, N.C. (AP) - An advocacy group plans a candlelight vigil on the birthday of a missing North Carolina girl.

The Children Protection Council of Catawba County says Tuesday's vigil in Hickory will honor Zahra Baker, who will turn 11 that day. The vigil will be held at from 6 to 7 pm at Union Square.

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13487710

hi monkeys! did LE say something about what the sm was looking in the furniture store? because if she was looking for a matress it means that she had a plan to kill ZB when ZB was alive

I remember reading through Emily's posts on TheHinkyMeter.com, and Emily was saying she had searched for Zahra for years.  She said she always searched in Australia.  Recently, she located Karen Baker and looked through her friends and noticed AB's younger brother and knew she located to right KB.

She stated she wrote to KB and asked her if they could communicate with her and was told NO.  ED noticed one of her friends mother's was friends with KB, but had not put things together.  ED asked this person to speak to KB and KB insulted and bad mouthed ED to this woman.

Allegedly, this took place 3 days before Zahra was reported missing.

That Friday, Oct 8th, EB called and asked Brittany Bentley to drop her charges .

Oct 9th, the fire, the ransom note, Zahra reported missing.

A lot of things the police need to work through.

<snipped>

An advocacy group plan to hold a candlelight vigil on the birthday of the missing schoolgirl.
The Children Protection Council of Catawba County said next Tuesday's vigil in Hickory will honour Zahra, who will turn 11 that day.

Toys or stuff animals left at the vigil will be donated to the Cops for Tots organisation, the group said in a statement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328848/Zahra-Baker-Police-recover-valuable-evidence-search-schoolgirl.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

cw618 I am very sorry for your loss  ::MonkeyAngel::

Self edit

TY for posting the links. AY started the DAISY thing. Think he is / was  too tight with AB, not sure, but no outcry from him about AB. I'd go with Emily.

cw618 my heart goes out to you.  You and your friends families are in my prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::

These are my thoughts, too.  I am sorry, I am behind and this may be something that is better known now.  I want to tell this story so others may understand the Bio Mom better, if this fits her.

Being the Step-Mother of 2 boys for several years (their Mother died of cancer when they were very young, so I was their Full Time Mom when I was married to their Father.  (He never wanted children to begin with, but I did not find this out until years later.)  This happened to me.  As a SM, I had no rights, even though I was their primary caretaker for years.  (Their father told me I did not need to adopt them as we had the same name.  I believed him.  The real reason was it would have discontinued their Mother's deceased benefits they get until they were 18).  We divorced before they were 18.  They called me Mom, they treated me as their Mother.  I treated them as my own children.  (I was their choice as Mom, they would not let him date anyone else).  I had no rights, but didn't know it.  Zahra's Mom apparently had no rights either, once she gave up custody while deeply

When I left, he promised to let me see the kids.  He married someone who did not want me to see them, not only that, went as far as not allowing anyone to say my name, including the children.  She would not let them see their Paternal Grandparents because they knew me and let the children say my name in their presence.  Their Maternal Parents and I got along well, but didn't know me all my life like his Parents did, his Father introduced us.  

The point to my story is sometimes you want to see someone so badly it hurts to the very core of your being, but you are prevented from doing it for some reason.  I am, at this point, giving her a chance because I know this can and does happen.

O/T  He got re-married right away and his third wife left him for a woman.  It does not matter to me about a sexual preference to me, but it totally emasculated him.  Karma baby.......

I do feel badly for the kids, through the miracle of Facebook (yes there are good reasons to have it, if you are looking for someone you really care about) we have been reunited.

I believe the employees at the furniture store said she was looking at living room suites.

Thank you, Northern Rose.

http://www.proflowers.com/flowerguide/rosemeanings/
Rose Colors and Meanings -- White Roses:
White roses represent innocence and purity and are traditionally associated with marriages and new beginnings. The white rose is also a symbol of honor and reverence, and white rose arrangements are often used as an expression of remembrance.
--

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Meaning-of-White-Roses---Purity-and-Young-Love&id=1368034
The Meaning of White Roses - Purity and Young Love
Today, white roses continue to keep their meaning as the hallmark of innocence and they are also used to express a number of different emotions for different people. They can either symbolize a new beginning or can mean farewell. They convey sentiments of friendship, love, respect, and hope. Underlying this multitude of meanings is the impression of purity and innocence, which is what white flowers are commonly associated with.
[..]
Although most of the long-established meanings behind white roses are still used today, there are other definitions. For instance, white rosebuds used to be a traditional symbol for girlhood and signified that a girl is too young to receive suitors, and to experience romantic love. Not many people know this meaning, but it is still a part of the language of flowers.
--

Bearly I am so happy that you have been reunited.    ::MonkeyAngel::   ::MonkeyAngel::

Police Officer Memorial Poem
http://www.ancestorhunt.com/fallen-officer-poem.htm

Cw618, I'm so sorry about the loss of your friends.

Bearlyhere, I'm glad you have been reunited with your stepsons!


I am so sad about Zahra.  We have known this was coming, but no one is ever prepared for the death of a child, especially such a cruel and needless death! 

http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/0/Zahra

The girl's name Zahra \za(h)-ra

is of Arabic origin, and the meaning of Zahra is "white; flower".

(http://i741.photobucket.com/albums/xx56/monkeyking0956/073867c69766cf779e8c9fe.gif)

i am gonna guess that they would be tried individually so there would be individual grand jury procedings, if that makes sense to ur dizzy question  ::MonkeyTongue::

Hello Dear Sweet Monkeys, I don't know if I am posting this Beautiful picture CBB made right. It is such a heartwarming and soul touching picture right now. Thank you CBB for this wonderful reminder that Precious Zahra is whole again and in Jesus Precious Loving arms. God bless Emily, the police and the searchers. My heart is broken along with so many of you monkeys.  ::MonkeyTears::
Michelle

 CW~

I'm sorry about the lose of your friends today.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Our prayers are with you,
MK

Ahhhhhh.. I had wondered about her name but you thought to look it up.  Now that makes sense.  How lovely!  Thanks Monkey King.

I agree with this completely  ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyMad::

http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13465050
Posted: Nov 08, 2010 12:05 PM PST

HICKORY, NC (WBTV) - In a somber press conference they had been "dreading," Hickory Police said Friday afternoon a bone found last week during a search was that of a missing 10-year-old Hickory girl.

"We have recovered enough physical evidence to believe we have found Zahra," police Chief Tom Adkins said in an emotional press conference, that he said he did "with great regret." (Read the full text of the chief's remarks)

Police said the said the bone found last week off of Christie Road "matches DNA found from the house at 21st Avenue Northwest," which is where Zahra lived before going missing on Oct. 9. A police source also told WBTV's Steve Ohnesorge that "the bone has evidence of cut marks on it."
 ::monkeyscissors::

BBM

but then again what do i know they could be tried in the same trial, i just seem to recall more trials with more than one perpetrator being seperate as there is better chance for each being charged seperately than both in one trial, i could be wrong it happened once before  ::piggy:: lol

only grand jury's i have been involved in is i was a witness to a drunk driver speeding and hitting a walking passenger... and i was a victim in a sex abuse case so i dunno about murder!!

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub9%20June%202010/ZAHRAWhiteFlower.gif)

 ::MonkeyMad::
Drawing and quartering, beating the s#*t out of, blowing brains to...etc,etc...IMO is way too nice for these wretched creatures.
God Bless Emily and her family.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: Bump
 
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Zahra

Klaas~

The addition of Zahra looks really nice!!   ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo242/Brandi-Monkey/ZahraClareBaker/Image63.png)

Oh my how horrible

horrible indeed but really no less than I had expected.....  :gaah:

http://charlotte.news14.com/content/zahra_baker_case/632681/tv-station-documents-zahra-s-biological-mother-s-visit-to-hickory
TV station documents Zahra's biological mother's visit to Hickory
HICKORY, N.C. -- Australia's 7 News filed a news report Thursday evening showing Zahra Baker's biological mother visiting the Hickory home where her daughter was first reported missing more than one month ago.

The report shows Emily Dietrich kneeling down in front of a memorial for Zahra on the home's front lawn. Through tears of anguish, she reads the messages left by the community.

Dietrich says she submitted a DNA sample to investigators Thursday. She also said they would not tell her what it would be used for but by their tone and demeanor she knows there will be no good news to report.

(VIDEO AT LINK)

Monkeys, there are no words this day to even begin to express my deep sorrow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDQijZ0OpaU&NR=1&feature=fvwp

If you play this song and watch the picture of Zahra and the flower opening . . . I pray it will bring comfort.

I heard a little while ago, on HLN, Prime News, Zahra Baker's step mother was a person of interest but the police later retracted that- has anyone else heard this?

After all this information, why then are neither of these people considered a person of interest or considered a suspect?  Am I missing something?

I don't doubt any course of action by the police or DA will benefit this case in the long run. 

Thank-you Sister  ::MonkeyAngel::

How awful - but not surprised - as NG said - the first thing I would do if my child died of natural causes is to cut her up and scatter her remains. What a couple of POS - I would love a few minutes with both of them out of sight of LE - I think I could make them suffer a bit.  ::MonkeyMad::

Thank you Sister...what a Beautiful song and voice..and message in the song

Klaas that picture is so touching...I was listing to the song as I was watching the flower open.... ::MonkeyTears:: 

NoRose, you are most welcome.  Just got back from my 4th funeral in two weeks.  I have no more words to give nor any more songs to sing.  I think Monkey King, Klaas, and Phelps have done it all.  Blessings.

http://www.wbtv.com/global/story.asp?s=13493722
Full text of Hickory Police briefing on Friday
Posted: Nov 12, 2010 3:52 PM CST Updated: Nov 12, 2010 4:08 PM CST

The following is what Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins said during the presser Friday afternoon:

  "It is with great regret that I stand before you today, I have been dreading this moment [since] early on this investigation.

 "We have recovered enough physical evidence to believe we have found Zahra, I cannot get into specific about the investigation.

 "The DNA evidence from the bone found on Christy Road matches a DNA sample from the house at 21st Avenue NW.  The DNA sample was taken from personal items belonging to Zahra.

 "A DNA profile will be created from cheek swabs from her biological mother and father for a biological profile.

 "The remains found in Caldwell County have been sent to the medical examiner's office and SBI for positive identification.

 "According to medical examiner's staff on site when the remains were recovered, they are consistent with a child.

 "Until the test is complete, we cannot officially confirm they are Zahra.

 "The timetable for those results are not available at this time.

 "This is still a developing case and we are still gathering all the facts in this case.

 "We must be cautious in releasing further information so we do not jeopardize the criminal investigation.

 "Investigators, agents and officers and staff who worked on this case, are devastated…

 (Chief briefly paused and sniffed.)

 "…that we were not able to find Zahra and bring her home safely.

"We appreciate the support we received from the public.

"Today our community mourns, our state mourns, our nation mourns and the world mourns as we go forward."
--

It is beautiful, isn't it.  Brings so much hope in such a discouraging world.

Thank you Sister.  ::MonkeyAngel::

always Trimm, you're most welcome.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/8312914/zahras-dna-matches-bone-us-police/
Zahra's DNA matches bone: US police
<snipped>

District Attorney James Gaither, who prosecutes cases in Catawba County said the investigation into the homicide is ongoing.

"We're continuing to put a case together. The (district attorney's) office is working with law enforcement and (we) hope to see some resolution in this case that will result in charges being filed in the near future."

Police made the announcements at a Friday news conference, the third since the pretty 10-year-old girl whose smiling photos - and struggle with bone cancer - captured worldwide attention when she was reported missing.

Adam Baker was at the Hickory Police Department on Thursday night, but police would not say why he was there.

The hunt for Zahra has sent exhausted investigators across Catawba, Burke and Caldwell counties seeking evidence. They've examined two ponds, homes where the Bakers lived, several wooded areas and a landfill.

Zahra's prosthetic leg was found in Caldwell County, and the bone that investigators say is Zahra's was also found there. The bone was sent to the North Carolina Office of the Chief Medical Examiner for inspection, which compared it to Zahra's DNA.
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(Video at Link, reporting on Emily Dietrich's visit to North Carolina)

Sister...Yes there is SO much sadness. I am so sorry for the 4 funerals in two weeks, that is so much sorrow. God Bless you and you will be in my prayers.

It seems that each case with the precious little Angels the tragedy and the horror just worst and worse.

http://www.wcnc.com/news/Hickory-Police-Chief-We-have-found-Zahra-107570199.html

Hickory Police Chief: "We have found Zahra."

by RAD BERKY & TONY BURBECK / NewsChannel 36
E-mail Us: NEWS@WCNC.com

WCNC.com

Posted on November 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM

Updated today at 7:14 PM

HICKORY, N.C.-- His voice at times choked with emotion, Hickory Police Chief Tom Adkins ended the hopes of so many that somehow little Zahra Baker would be found alive.

At a packed afternoon press briefing, Adkins said, "We have recovered enough physical evidence to believe we have found Zahra."

Adkins said that DNA from a bone found during a search along Christie Road in Caldwell County matched an item taken from the home of Zahra's father, Adam Baker and her step-mother Elisa Baker.

"The sample was from an item that is believed to be Zahra's.

Two days ago search teams discovered human remains at a location in Granite Falls on the bank of Gunpowder Creek, just off Dudley Shoals Road.

The Chief said, "According to the Medical examiner's staff on sight when the remains were recovered they are consistant with a child."  Adkins said the remains are still being tested to confirm if in fact they are those of the little girl.

While Adkins would not take any questions from reporters, NewsChannel 36 has learned no arrests will be made right away.

Investigators have focused on Adam and Elisa Baker, but a source says investigators clearly know Elisa is already locked up on obstruction of justice charges and Adam Baker is free on bond on unrelated charges and not expected to leave the area.

The search for clues in this case will go on, but the search for the little girl who had won the hearts of so many, is now all but over.

"Investigators, officers, and agents working this case are devastated at not being able to find Zahra alive and bring her home safely," said Adkins as he ended his statement and left the room.

A community mourns and looks for answers

Friday's developments are progress, but neighbors and mourners at Zahra's house in hickory were hoping for more.

More and more people have been stopping by the Baker home with letters and teddy bears.

Now they want answers and justice.

The timelines of a town's desire for closure and a methodical police investigation don't always match.

"My heart breaks for this town," says Drake Miles while visiting the memorial outside the Baker home.

His visit outside the home happened the same time police say they found one of her bones at one search site, and possibly her remains at another.

Progress, but not closure.

"No, it didn't answer my questions," says Miles.

Those questions are still who and why?

The feeling around the memorial tree: We want justice.

"If it takes months to convict the person or persons who done it, it will be worth the wait," says Miles.

Friday, at the Dudley Shoals shallow grave, Kerry Teague just stares at the hole.

"I'm just...depressed," says Teague. "There won't be any true closure unil whoever did this is convicted."

It's not easy to look at.

"I got chills all over, actually it's very sad," says Kathy Owens, who also stopped by the Dudley Shoals search site.

"To think a ten year-old girl, this is her final resting spot, to me just blows me away," says Owens.

An apparent henious crime, needing a resolution as powerful as the prayers to Zahra.

Vigil planned for Zahra

The Child Protection Council of Catawba County is planning a vigil for Zahra next tuesday night.

That's also her birthday.

She would have been 11-years-old.

The vigil will be held at Union Square in Hickory.

It starts at 6 p.m.