Lively Case Discussion #671 8/1 - 8/2/2007

[Auntiem]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

[San]

BECAUSE THEY SAW THE BODY!!!!!

Especially Van der Straaten and this is why he wanted to commit Joran to a mental institution.  It is frightening to think what he actually did this monster.

[Easywriter]

Easy,
O/T... did you listen to Wendy Murphy?  I had a phone call and couldn't... have to do that later, but did she talk about the case where the judge wouldn't allow the word rape?

Sorry, but I was beat last night and crashed pretty early.  My head hardly hit the pillow before I was out for the night.  I will listen to it durning lunch maybe.

[Auntiem]

    All to protect Arubish tourism!!!!

[klaasend]

Here is the latest from Natalee's Freebirds:

PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT
 
The Buddy System?


A clear picture has emerged in regards to Paulus van der Sloot and his connection to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The image appears to reveal that professional and personal relationships within all levels of the Dutch/Aruban administrations, as well as the judiciary, have resulted in preferential treatment - preferential treament which implies that a friend and colleague will never be held accountable for his participation in the events that occurred on Aruban soil during the early hours of May 30, 2005.


A. CHRONOLOGY


01. DETAINED

FOX NEWS - 06-24-05
The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot (search) — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping. Under the Aruban system, complicity is a lesser charge.


02. RELEASED

Amigoe - 11-12-05
ARUBA – ... Paul van der Sloot was detained from June 23rd up till the 26th in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The examining-magistrate decided then that there was not sufficient evidence against Van der Sloot and released him.
Translation Credit: Aruba Gretagrip


03. NO LONGER A SUSPECT

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - 11-14-05
COSBY: ... Late Friday, an Aruban judge said Paul Van Der Sloot is no longer a suspect in the search for the Alabama teen. In fact, Paul Van Der Sloot could even receive damages from the government of Aruba after being held for three days in an Aruban jail


04. AWARDED COMPENSATION - DETAINMENT NOT JUSTIFIED

Expatica News - 08-03-06
AMSTERDAM — Dutchman Paul van der Sloot, father of the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance case, has been awarded financial damages. A court on the autonomous Dutch island of Aruba ruled that Paul van der Sloot was arrested and detained for four days without due cause last year as part of the investigation. He was awarded 50,000 Aruban Guilders in compensation. This is equal to EUR 21,800 or USD 27,900.


05. COMPENSATION APPEALED

FOX NEWS - 08-08-06
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — Aruban prosecutors said Tuesday they will appeal an order to compensate a man detained in the disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway. A judge on the Dutch Caribbean island ruled on July 28 that the prosecutor's office should pay $30,190 to Paulus van der Sloot, a former justice official in Aruba who was detained in the case for three days, for defamation and legal fees. "The public prosecutor's office does not agree with the amount granted, since this is much higher than usual," spokeswoman Mariaine Croes said.


06. GOOD CONDUCT DOCUMENT

Bon Dia Aruba - 01-06-06
On the basis of this letter, the attorney told the judge that the prosecutor let it be known that the case against van der Sloot was over. The judge said in his decision that he is in agreement with the attorney. Given that the prosecutor herself said that Mr. van der Sloot is no longer a suspect, which according to the judge can be looked at as the prosecutor saying that the case is over, since the prosecutor will no longer pursue the case. This signifies that Paul van der Sloot will soon start working as a lawyer in Aruba and the case he brought forth against the Public Prosecutor will not go forward since he obtained his good conduct document, which is the document he was missing to be registered as a lawyer.
Translation Credit: Aruba Getagrip


07. SWORN IN AS AN ATTORNEY

Aruba Today - 01-18-06
Paul Van Der Sloot, once held in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager was cleared on of suspicion in the case last November and has now been installed in the capacity of a lawyer on the island. Paul van der Sloot entered the courthouse yesterday to present his application to the “raad van toezict” (Supervisory Commission) and the members of the Aruban Lawyers Association. The commission, together with the lawyers association reviewed his application and attached documents, concluding that he satisfied the qualifications to be accepted as an active lawyer working on the island of Aruba.


08. JOINS ANTONIO CARLO'S LAW FIRM

Expatica News - 02-17-06
Joran is represented by lawyer Antonio Carlo, who is also Paulus van der Sloot's boss on Aruba. Paulus van der Sloot joined Carlo's legal firm as a lawyer in January this year.


09. COMPENSATION DENIED - DETENTION JUSTIFIED

Aruba Diario - 02-14-07
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
Translation Credit: Diario Aruba


B. THE SUPERIOR COURT RULING

The implications encompassing the rulings of the Superior Court in January, 2007 are very far reaching, and many questions are left unanswered. The ruling which denied Paulus van der Sloot compensation and the ruling which deemed that his detention was justified were based on Paulus' own declaration as well as incriminating wiretaps.


1. Was the Judiciary protecting Paulus van der Sloot?

*Why was Paulus van der Sloot released after only three days of detention on suspicion of being involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

*Why was Paulus van der Sloot declared in a ruling by the Aruban court to no longer be a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

*Why was Paulus van der Sloot initially awarded compensation for wrongful detention by the Aruban court?

Inquiring minds want to know if the judge/s who ruled in these three court proceedings were unaware of the wiretap and declaration which were revealed by the Superior Court in January, 2007 or - was there preferential treatment involved? Also - was the judge/s unaware of interrogator Lt. Roland Tromp's contention that Paulus van der Sloot changed his declaration regarding his knowledge/participation in the events pertaining to the morning of May 31, 2005?


2. Was Karin Janssen part of the coverup?

Karin Janssen's professional capacity dictated that she was in a position of knowledge when she wrote the letter of recommendation on Paulus van der Sloot's behalf - the letter of recommendation which was required if Paulus was to receive his accredidation as a qualified attorney. As the prosecutor for the Natalee Holloway investigation - Janssen had to have been aware of the evidence revealed by the Superior Court in January, 2007 which denied Paulus compensation for wrongful detention and also deemed his detention as justified. Also - when the letter of recommendation was submitted - the prosecutor of the investigation had to have been aware of interrogator Lt. Roland Tromp's contention regarding Paulus' changing declarations concerning the morning of May 31, 2005. Inquiring minds want to know why Karin Janssen bowed to the threat of a lawsuit for non-compliance and thereby composed the letter of recommendation.


3. Why does Paulus van der Sloots' non-suspect status as well as his attorney status remain unchanged?

When the January, 2007 ruling of the Superior Court is considered - the rulings which deemed that Paulus' detention was justified based on his own declaration as well as incriminating wiretaps - inquiring minds want to know why the earlier court decision that ruled Paulus was no longer a suspect has not been reversed and ... why does this man continue to legally hold a position as a practicing attorney on the Island of Aruba?
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Jossy Mansur - Aruban Editor - NANCY GRACE - 10-04-05

GRACE: … Jossy, regarding the connection, what I perceived to be a close connection between the judge, Paulus Van Der Sloot and the retired chief of police who initially handled Natalee`s case, Van Der Stratten, were they friends?

MANSUR: Of course, they were friends. It stands to reason they were friends because Paul Van Der Sloot had many friends within the police department; he had many friends within the Department of Justice. And he had many friends with -- and he was friendly with all the judges in Aruba. He worked out of the same office as they did and did the same work


Lt. Roland Tromp - Interrogator - CBS NEWS - 08-05-05

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said



Natalee and her family deserve justice, and we will not let up until they have it!

Natalee’s Freebirds
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[Tamikosmom]

FROM FOB....nomdeguerre wrote:

Suppose Joran did leave her alone on Malmok Beach as he says he did.  Certainly he should not have done it, and that is one thing he has never denied.  But suppose that as Natalee was walking back to the Holiday Inn, she passed a good-looking guy coming from the direction of Moomba's who said, "Hey, pretty lady, why the sad look?  How about I buy you a drink," and she went off with him.  She had already left a bar that night with three men she did not know.  What reason is there to think she wouldn't have taken him up on it?

<snipped>

nomdeguerre ... recommended reading.

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Friday, July 27, 2007

ARUBAN AUTHORITIES IMPLICATE MAIN SUSPECTS IN NATALEE HOLLOW CASE
 
Within one week of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on Aruban soil under suspicious circumstance - there have been posts continually submitted to various internet message boards which depict an obvious agenda - an agenda to detract from the truth, and to obscure the real issue that a perceived corrupt investigation is distancing the main suspects from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 while shifting the focus on the victim and her family. Recently, the same agenda has been mirrored in the Aruban, Dutch and American media.

The following sourced quotes will reveal the truth regarding the main suspects - Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish - through the words of those with a foundational inside knowledge of the Natalee Holloway investigation.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/07/aruban-authorities-implicate-main.html



 

[Auntiem]

  I never can get the Dana shows. I used to, but when some lil monkies took over I dunno.

[mrs. red]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

there ended up being a little fire that had to be put out..(not literally speaking) so it's on for tonight!

San, I am so happy you emailed that to me, I printed it to use tonight!!

[mrs. red]

Easy,
O/T... did you listen to Wendy Murphy?  I had a phone call and couldn't... have to do that later, but did she talk about the case where the judge wouldn't allow the word rape?

Sorry, but I was beat last night and crashed pretty early.  My head hardly hit the pillow before I was out for the night.  I will listen to it durning lunch maybe.

I just wondered, I love her... she is my hero!  I ordered the book ... and of course used the SM amazon link...   ... I think it sounded interesting... I did hear the last part of her, just not the beginning... 

[klaasend]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

there ended up being a little fire that had to be put out..(not literally speaking) so it's on for tonight!

San, I am so happy you emailed that to me, I printed it to use tonight!!

O/T

I actually like eggplant parmesan but if I even attempted to feed it to my husband I'm affraid he'd leave me, LOL  He wants NO part of eggplant. 

[mrs. red]

 I never can get the Dana shows. I used to, but when some lil monkies took over I dunno.

Auntie then you need to email dugga... and get him to help you.  I finally can get it on Winamp, I tunes, and media player....

dugga@scaredmonkeys.com

[Easywriter]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

there ended up being a little fire that had to be put out..(not literally speaking) so it's on for tonight!

San, I am so happy you emailed that to me, I printed it to use tonight!!

O/T

I actually like eggplant parmesan but if I even attempted to feed it to my husband I'm affraid he'd leave me, LOL  He wants NO part of eggplant. 

It's okay, but I like veal and chicken much better!   

[mrs. red]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

there ended up being a little fire that had to be put out..(not literally speaking) so it's on for tonight!

San, I am so happy you emailed that to me, I printed it to use tonight!!

O/T

I actually like eggplant parmesan but if I even attempted to feed it to my husband I'm affraid he'd leave me, LOL  He wants NO part of eggplant. 

do you soak it in salted water first to take out the bitterness? ... some people have no taste...LOL..(j/k)

[Auntiem]

TY, Mrs. Red.  Very intersting from the Freebirds......I would love to see those statements where Paulus tells he had TWO encounters with Natalee.  That has had me amazed since it came out last winter!!

[klaasend]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

there ended up being a little fire that had to be put out..(not literally speaking) so it's on for tonight!

San, I am so happy you emailed that to me, I printed it to use tonight!!

O/T

I actually like eggplant parmesan but if I even attempted to feed it to my husband I'm affraid he'd leave me, LOL  He wants NO part of eggplant. 

do you soak it in salted water first to take out the bitterness? ... some people have no taste...LOL..(j/k)

Mrs. Red - it wouldn't matter.  I would have to sneak it in on him and even then I don't think it would work.  Actually, I was taught to soak in milk. 

[Auntiem]

WOW, that was a miracle yesterday.....60 kids, got safely off the school bus that was on the brink of going over....they got out the back door!!

[mrs. red]

   Hey Mrs. Red, did ya make the eggplant last nite?

there ended up being a little fire that had to be put out..(not literally speaking) so it's on for tonight!

San, I am so happy you emailed that to me, I printed it to use tonight!!

O/T

I actually like eggplant parmesan but if I even attempted to feed it to my husband I'm affraid he'd leave me, LOL  He wants NO part of eggplant. 

do you soak it in salted water first to take out the bitterness? ... some people have no taste...LOL..(j/k)

Mrs. Red - it wouldn't matter.  I would have to sneak it in on him and even then I don't think it would work.  Actually, I was taught to soak in milk. 

O/t more...

one day Red was talking to some friends about okra... how he didn't ever eat it...(now y'all know I grew up in the South, so it's a staple food for any soup I make)... anyway, he was saying that he never ate it unless it was fried and had only just gotten that since we got married.  I was dying laughing because I put it in every soup and make a huge vat of vegatable soup every summer from the farmer's market stuff b/c it is so good and freeze portions for the winter ...it's in gumbo when I make that, soup... etc... so I looked at him and said you just had some last night... it was in the soup.... he had no clue!!!

[msmarple]

CNN has a video of the bridge collapsing ...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/08/02/vosli.mn.i35w.bridge.collapse.side.view.cnn

[Easywriter]

Just a suggestion:  I was searching for the MN bridge discussion and found it in a political forum.  It might be a good idea to have breaking news, top news, crazy news, etc. as a category high in the list so that such topics would be easy to find and encourage topical discussion. 

Just my two cents, but I do think that would help to diversify discussion and break away from the on topic/off topic debate.

[Easywriter]

Hmmmmmm......