Natalee Case Discussion #684 10/3 - 10/7/2007

[IBE]

Are any of the views in Google Earth archived?

Do anyone have any overhead shots of the Noord Police Station the day Greta and Beth visited?

It would be interesting to see them all run out the back?

Is there activity now? Was this empty police station with no signs to direct to another police station ever satisfactorily answered?

I'd like to see some Monkeys (I don't have enough baud) to do aerial pictures of activities over this station and others they say are "open"

[klaasend]

Are any of the views in Google Earth archived?

Do anyone have any overhead shots of the Noord Police Station the day Greta and Beth visited?

It would be interesting to see them all run out the back?

Is there activity now? Was this empty police station with no signs to direct to another police station ever satisfactorily answered?

I'd like to see some Monkeys (I don't have enough baud) to do aerial pictures of activities over this station and others they say are "open"

Google Earth images are about 2 years old.  The odds of going to google earth right now and it showing that particular day are very unlikely.  The government could get views of that particular day though.  There might be a way..I just thought of something.

[klaasend]

Are any of the views in Google Earth archived?

Do anyone have any overhead shots of the Noord Police Station the day Greta and Beth visited?

It would be interesting to see them all run out the back?

Is there activity now? Was this empty police station with no signs to direct to another police station ever satisfactorily answered?

I'd like to see some Monkeys (I don't have enough baud) to do aerial pictures of activities over this station and others they say are "open"

Google Earth images are about 2 years old.  The odds of going to google earth right now and it showing that particular day are very unlikely.  The government could get views of that particular day though.  There might be a way..I just thought of something.

There might be a way to order images from Digital Globe.  I don't know for sure and have no idea how much it would cost.

[NM]

Who was in the loft???

Well, we know that Jacobs was in the building and we also know that van der Straaten was.  Why was Deepak's car there?  Was he in the building too?  If you were, would you take the chance that someone would see you leave until the missing girl's family was gone?

Was this on 5/31?  Before noon?  If so, it is interesting the Deepak's car would be there since his statement was not taken until 15:30 (3:30 pm) and Satish's statement was not taken until 19:20 (7:20 pm)  Maybe they had to come in for a little coaching up in the loft before the statement could be taken????

(Am reading from the hospital.  The twins can come at any time now.  We are all just sitting and waiting to see what happens)

It was 5/31 and early AM (pg 56-57)

[truthseeker2]

Who was in the loft???

Well, we know that Jacobs was in the building and we also know that van der Straaten was.  Why was Deepak's car there?  Was he in the building too?  If you were, would you take the chance that someone would see you leave until the missing girl's family was gone?

Was this on 5/31?  Before noon?  If so, it is interesting the Deepak's car would be there since his statement was not taken until 15:30 (3:30 pm) and Satish's statement was not taken until 19:20 (7:20 pm)  Maybe they had to come in for a little coaching up in the loft before the statement could be taken????

(Am reading from the hospital.  The twins can come at any time now.  We are all just sitting and waiting to see what happens)

It was 5/31 and early AM (pg 56-57)

NM,
Thanks.  I don't have my book with me right now, but thought it was 5/31.  So either the polis had Deepak's car, or Deepak was there at the same time Beth and Jug were there.

[BUCKSHOT]

INTERESTING TO ME....

PAULUS COMING FROM HIS RESIDENCE WITH CELL PHONE IN HAND.

UPON JORAN AND (DEEPAK'S RETURN??) TO RESIDENCE - DRESS ATTIRE OF THE TWO BOYS.  GIVEN THEIR PERSONALITIES, AND PREVIOUS TRACK RECORD, THEIR DRESS ATTIRE IS PECULIAR.  COMING BACK FROM CASINO (WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE) IN DIRTY CLOTHES, LOOKING SWEATY, ETC.. IS OUT OF CHARACTER AND WOULD INDICATE MORE INCONSISTENCIES. WHERE WERE THEY REALLY??

I KNOW HINDSIGHT IS 20/20, BUT... MAKES YOU WONDER, GIVEN THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY, IF THE SILVER CAR WAS, IN FACT, BEHIND THE REAR WALL OF THEIR PROPERTY THE WHOLE TIME AT THE INSTRUCTION OF PAULUS (WHO MAY HAVE BEEN TIPPED OFF THAT PEOPLE WERE COMING TO HIS HOUSE)

PAULUS, MORE THAN LIKELY, WAS TIPPED OFF THAT PEOPLE WERE EN ROUTE TO HIS RESIDENCE. WHERE WOULD HE HAVE SENT THE BOYS SO HASTILY?? WHAT LOCATION, OR EVIDENCE, WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST IMPORTANT, AT THAT TIME, TO SECURE FROM THE PERPETRATOR'S PERSPECTIVE??

DAVE ON A 4-WHEELER APPROACHING A POLICE CAR, LOCATED AT THE DUNES, AND UPON GETTING 'TOO CLOSE', THEPOLICEMEN SLAMMING THEIR TRUNKS VERY QUICKLY AND LEAVING THAT PARTICULAR AREA.  DID DAVE LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DIGGING AROUND FOR - HIDING EVIDENCE??

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMM.........................

ANY THOUGHTS, MONKEYS ??????????????????

[San]

Who was in the loft???

Well, we know that Jacobs was in the building and we also know that van der Straaten was.  Why was Deepak's car there?  Was he in the building too?  If you were, would you take the chance that someone would see you leave until the missing girl's family was gone?

Was this on 5/31?  Before noon?  If so, it is interesting the Deepak's car would be there since his statement was not taken until 15:30 (3:30 pm) and Satish's statement was not taken until 19:20 (7:20 pm)  Maybe they had to come in for a little coaching up in the loft before the statement could be taken????

(Am reading from the hospital.  The twins can come at any time now.  We are all just sitting and waiting to see what happens)

It was 5/31 and early AM (pg 56-57)

NM,
Thanks.  I don't have my book with me right now, but thought it was 5/31.  So either the polis had Deepak's car, or Deepak was there at the same time Beth and Jug were there.

I think Deepak was there visiting cousin Gerald Dompig.

[NM]

INTERESTING TO ME....

PAULUS COMING FROM HIS RESIDENCE WITH CELL PHONE IN HAND.

UPON JORAN AND (DEEPAK'S RETURN??) TO RESIDENCE - DRESS ATTIRE OF THE TWO BOYS.  GIVEN THEIR PERSONALITIES, AND PREVIOUS TRACK RECORD, THEIR DRESS ATTIRE IS PECULIAR.  COMING BACK FROM CASINO (WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE) IN DIRTY CLOTHES, LOOKING SWEATY, ETC.. IS OUT OF CHARACTER AND WOULD INDICATE MORE INCONSISTENCIES. WHERE WERE THEY REALLY??

I KNOW HINDSIGHT IS 20/20, BUT... MAKES YOU WONDER, GIVEN THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY, IF THE SILVER CAR WAS, IN FACT, BEHIND THE REAR WALL OF THEIR PROPERTY THE WHOLE TIME AT THE INSTRUCTION OF PAULUS (WHO MAY HAVE BEEN TIPPED OFF THAT PEOPLE WERE COMING TO HIS HOUSE)

PAULUS, MORE THAN LIKELY, WAS TIPPED OFF THAT PEOPLE WERE EN ROUTE TO HIS RESIDENCE. WHERE WOULD HE HAVE SENT THE BOYS SO HASTILY?? WHAT LOCATION, OR EVIDENCE, WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST IMPORTANT, AT THAT TIME, TO SECURE FROM THE PERPETRATOR'S PERSPECTIVE??

DAVE ON A 4-WHEELER APPROACHING A POLICE CAR, LOCATED AT THE DUNES, AND UPON GETTING 'TOO CLOSE', THEPOLICEMEN SLAMMING THEIR TRUNKS VERY QUICKLY AND LEAVING THAT PARTICULAR AREA.  DID DAVE LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DIGGING AROUND FOR - HIDING EVIDENCE??

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMM.........................

ANY THOUGHTS, MONKEYS ??????????????????

Buckshot,
good post.  IMO based on the description of their clothes and sweatiness and that dk car was spotted inside the property then not there 45min-1 when Beth, Jug and police arrived I agree that they were tipped off to the arrival of the family and I think pvds sent j,dk out to rid of evidence. 
And would love to know if the location Dave was at when he saw the police load up their trunk and the aru-bay rock painting.

San, Nice avitar.

vms and pita thanks for the info on williams.

Truthseeker, prayers for the safe delivery of your twins.

[thirdstrike]

Hello everyone!!

[truthseeker2]

I think they were tipped off.  I originally thought that is why Deepak and Guido showed up at the Wyndham.  To tell Joran that Natalee's family was already on the island asking questions.  But after reading Beth's book and watching Greta last night it sounds like Joran may not have even been at the Wyndham.  If he wasn't I'd say it's time to arrest Andre Santo.  His statement about gambling with Joran both nights is equivalent to Steve Croes saying he saw J2K dropping Natalee off at the HI.

[San]

INTERESTING TO ME....

PAULUS COMING FROM HIS RESIDENCE WITH CELL PHONE IN HAND.

UPON JORAN AND (DEEPAK'S RETURN??) TO RESIDENCE - DRESS ATTIRE OF THE TWO BOYS.  GIVEN THEIR PERSONALITIES, AND PREVIOUS TRACK RECORD, THEIR DRESS ATTIRE IS PECULIAR.  COMING BACK FROM CASINO (WHICH I DON'T BELIEVE) IN DIRTY CLOTHES, LOOKING SWEATY, ETC.. IS OUT OF CHARACTER AND WOULD INDICATE MORE INCONSISTENCIES. WHERE WERE THEY REALLY??

I KNOW HINDSIGHT IS 20/20, BUT... MAKES YOU WONDER, GIVEN THE LAYOUT OF THE PROPERTY, IF THE SILVER CAR WAS, IN FACT, BEHIND THE REAR WALL OF THEIR PROPERTY THE WHOLE TIME AT THE INSTRUCTION OF PAULUS (WHO MAY HAVE BEEN TIPPED OFF THAT PEOPLE WERE COMING TO HIS HOUSE)

PAULUS, MORE THAN LIKELY, WAS TIPPED OFF THAT PEOPLE WERE EN ROUTE TO HIS RESIDENCE. WHERE WOULD HE HAVE SENT THE BOYS SO HASTILY?? WHAT LOCATION, OR EVIDENCE, WOULD HAVE BEEN MOST IMPORTANT, AT THAT TIME, TO SECURE FROM THE PERPETRATOR'S PERSPECTIVE??

DAVE ON A 4-WHEELER APPROACHING A POLICE CAR, LOCATED AT THE DUNES, AND UPON GETTING 'TOO CLOSE', THEPOLICEMEN SLAMMING THEIR TRUNKS VERY QUICKLY AND LEAVING THAT PARTICULAR AREA.  DID DAVE LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DIGGING AROUND FOR - HIDING EVIDENCE??

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMM.........................

ANY THOUGHTS, MONKEYS ??????????????????

Great question Buckshot.

I believe Paul in fact was tipped off.  Paulus, Joran, Deepak and I will include Freddy were moving quickly that night.  When he heard they were coming did Paulus freak out because he didn't expect them to arrive so soon.  I can think of two places where he would move evidence until he got rid of them and one would be Lorenzo's and another would be Freddy's.  Freddy lived close and he is a suspect (Deepak "Freddy needs to tell the truth")

[San]

Buckshot,
good post.  IMO based on the description of their clothes and sweatiness and that dk car was spotted inside the property then not there 45min-1 when Beth, Jug and police arrived I agree that they were tipped off to the arrival of the family and I think pvds sent j,dk out to rid of evidence. 
And would love to know if the location Dave was at when he saw the police load up their trunk and the aru-bay rock painting.

San, Nice avitar.

vms and pita thanks for the info on williams.

Truthseeker, prayers for the safe delivery of your twins.

Thank you NM.  Klaas made it for me.

[thirdstrike]

(Deepak "Freddy needs to tell the truth")

Freddy telling the truth would be a good start.  But, I think they ALL should start telling the truth...

Reminds me of a joke I've heard many times before. 

How do you know one of the (3) suspects in Natalee Holloway's disappearance is lying?  Easy...their LIPS MOVE!! 

[klaasend]

(Deepak "Freddy needs to tell the truth")

Freddy telling the truth would be a good start.  But, I think they ALL should start telling the truth...

Reminds me of a joke I've heard many times before. 

How do you know one of the (3) suspects in Natalee Holloway's disappearance is lying?  Easy...their LIPS MOVE!! 

Hi TS!  Are you a salesman?  LOL 

[thirdstrike]

Hi TS!  Are you a salesman?  LOL 

What's up Klass?  How's things going in here??

A salesman, you ask?  Naw, that isn't my thing.  I don't have patience for it...

[klaasend]

Hi TS!  Are you a salesman?  LOL 

What's up Klass?  How's things going in here??

A salesman, you ask?  Naw, that isn't my thing.  I don't have patience for it...

Things are good!

I was just teasing you .  That joke about the lying I've always heard in reference to salesman.

Q:  How can you tell if a salesman is lying?
A:  His lips are moving

 

[klaasend]

From Greta's blog:

Did Beth Sneak Natalee out of Aruba on a Plane? What Do You Think? Read This Email…
by Greta Van Susteren

Check out this comment I just received here on www.GretaWire.com…it is not an unusual one…I have received other ones with essentially the same content. What do you think? Post your comment here.

Greta,

The reason the police won’t help the “family”. Is because they know now that the “family” are the ones that orchestrated Natalee’s disappearance from the private airport on one of McWayne’s private aircraft. They have witnesses.

Just think Greta, soon you will be able to interview Beth from jail. Won’t that be a ratings getter!

OMG - quick Greta, trace the IP of that email and have them committed    See if her name is Jenna or Resorttownmom 

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/


25 Responses to “Did Beth Sneak Natalee out of Aruba on a Plane? What Do You Think? Read This Email…”
Comment by Kate
October 4th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
get the 55 gal. drum of troll spray

 
Comment by Sylvia Levine
October 4th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
What are these people drinking or smoking? That is too crazy.

 
Comment by Betty
October 4th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
I read comments similar to that on one of your earlier Natalee blogs. Who is McWayne?

I just attributed it to one of the ‘kooks’ posting far out theories…….

What’s up with that?

 
Comment by Maggie
October 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Another reason not to go to Aruba, if you can just fly planes in without authorization and leave without having your luggage or passports checked. Greta notice you had your cameras confiscated upon arriving, how in the world would ever take someone through without being seen?

These must be the people that proposed to Scott Peterson after he was convicted. It’s best to just humor them and pray they get help.

 
Comment by Carol
October 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
This is a bizarre comment. It must be from an “Aruban?” It would have to be! How sick is this sicko!!!

 
Comment by Karen T
October 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
I can’t even process that! Natalee would have been spotted by now. That’s absurd. And all this time the witnesses haven’t come forward? And the Aruban police haven’t made mention of this? Please, author of that post, go hang out at Carlos’N Charlie’s with the drug addicts and drunks where you belong. Let the guys in Aruba pass you around a few times.

 
Comment by Pat_Wi
October 4th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
wow - first time I’ve heard this one. Have you seen or heard of any evidence of this?

 
Comment by Montana
October 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
I think that some people will do and write anything to get attention or make trouble.

In truth, it pisses me off!!! Excuse the language, but our time is worth more than this.

I am not smiling, right Dottie?
Back to work.
For Now, Montana

 
Comment by Karen K. - Plantation, FL
October 4th, 2007 at 4:47 pm
I heard she ran away with Elvis.

 
Comment by Margot Ayers
October 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
I don’t understand how people this insane feed themselves, let alone function on a daily basis

 
Comment by Dianne in Richmond
October 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
Totally unbelievable! What could possibly be a motive for something like that? I am a mother and just can’t imagine such.

 
Comment by Ken
October 4th, 2007 at 4:48 pm
Yes, she is sharing an apt with Elvis. I do not think anybody actually believes the poor girl is still alive.

 
Comment by CJ
October 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Does it get any nuttier than this?

 
Comment by Michael
October 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Ridiculous! With all the hatred you have seen demonstrated on this blog do you think for a second that someone in Aruba would have helped Beth get Natalee off the island and then keep quiet?

This goes back to that Dutch video where Julia Renfro blames Beth, the FBI and Dick Cheney for Natalee’s disappearance. The most amazing thing about the yarn is that it took them all over two years to come up with it and it is laughable. Almost as good as the mysterious letter from Arkansas.

 
Comment by PLR
October 4th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
Puh-leeessssee. That makes no sense whatsoever. That sounds like the crap that Julia Refro was putting out a few months ago.

If ALE really thought that then why would Dompig say he believed the 3 suspects were guilty as hell? Why would ALE cover for the family by holding Joran so long?

If you paid attention to what Julia was trying to put out there months ago you would know that those ‘witnesses’ didn’t see anything that indicated Natalee ever left that island on that plane. The plane was there because of what the family was being told happens to tourists on that island from time to time. Druggies lure them to crack (choller) houses and drug them up, convince them to use their cash and ATM cards to buy more drugs. When the money is gone they leave a drugged out tourist on a beach or in a crack house. The tourist then needs medical attention as a result of all the drugs. ALE even admitted this to Natalee’s family. It was the original theory ALE had of what may have happened to her.

The medjet story is crap.

 
Comment by sharon
October 4th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
WHY would dhe do that???

 
Comment by Ali
October 4th, 2007 at 4:51 pm
I cannot believe that some people still believe this is possible, that she is alive and well somewhere and her family knows where she is. These same people, are the ones on these boards complaining about all the media attention she has received. Don’t you people think that somebody would have spotted Natalee by now, 2 and 1/2 years later if this was the case? Her picture has been everywhere.

I have no idea how some people can survive in this world with such theories.

 
Comment by donna
October 4th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
what have they been smokin?

 
Comment by Michael
October 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
See Greta that’s where you made the mistake with the camera equipment. Instead of worrying about the small stuff you should have snuck a jet onto Aruba and no one would have noticed.

 
Comment by Kate
October 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
maybe the hippies in a brown van grabbed her….*cough*

 
Comment by Doug F.
October 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Jeez…where are all the sane people. Are you kidding me? Someone actually thinks this? This mother’s anguish must be unbearable, and then to have people think this. Get a freakin’ life! There were witnesses on the Grassy Knoll in 1963 too.

 
Comment by Rat Fan
October 4th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha … ha,  for Kate

 
Comment by Betty
October 4th, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Wow! That says alot about your judgement Greta! Why would you waste your time trudging through Aruba with Beth if you had any doubt as to her credibility.

You have better things to do than play along with a hoax!

 
Comment by Cindy L
October 4th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
Is there no end to the lies. It has got to be hard enough not knowing what happened to your child without all this. If it wasn’t such a tragedy it would be funny. I’m so glad that Beth has you and FNC in her corner. Tell Beth that she has so many people that believe that she should continue fighting for the truth. I can’t imagine how alone this poor woman feels. Cindy L.

 
Comment by JoAnn
October 4th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
What a crock of crap! Who is the idiot who sent you that Greta? Oh I know, It was Natalee herself ’cause her family has her locked up in a convent somewhere. They had to do it while she was in Aruba because there were no planes in the good old U.S. of A. to take her away. If there really was a witness(not) why didn’t they come forward already? This was probably the same person who told Rita Cosby about Howard and Larry. lol

[Observer]

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[sharon]

Comment by sharon
October 4th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
WHY would dhe do that???



BTW -- NOT ME

I did post 2 this morning however.

[Buckeye]

Testing my Julia avatar.  Got jealous of igsigs and PVDS.