Natalee Case Discussion #680 8/31 - 9/16/2007

[igsigs]

Joran 6/9

"To your question whether i called someone from my mobile phone when we were standing outside Carlos & Charlies, i answer that i did not."

Interesting...likely a witness prompted this question, and we know J2K were lying about all cell/comp records on 6/9.

On 6/10 Joran says that he was seeing a shrink because he *broke the chip* on Val's cell...and because of the missing girl. We know the second reason here is a lie, and broken chip / shrink connection is weak. Unless he broke it on Val's skull.

   Does anybody know / remember if either Paulus or Anita included the cell phone story in their explanations for Joran's therapy? TIA !

[LoRain]

POSTED BY CODEBREAKER AT BFN:

I've never written on any blogs before, but I want to get my opinion on Natalee's murder and her location, based on facts only. I can tell you
now, she was in 4 different places, and I also know the addresses, and
buoy numbers, of these places.
She was murdered at Salinja Pond at around 1:20 am, then hided in barb bushes, jvds is the one that killed her with a rock to her head, she bled
profusely, this is how jvds got blood on his legs and shoes, and how he transfered blood in 2ks backseat area, that's why they stopped at Marriott
entrance, so jvds could wash off blood, 2ks waited for him, then dropped
jvds at home at1:45 am, 2ks got home at 2:05am, to pick up tools to bury
her with. but before they got to jvds's house, jvds disposed of shoes in
vicinty of Fermins Bar. When jvds told pvds what happen, pvds called Guido
at work, and hired him to get rid of the body, that's when guido called andre,
to bring his truck,they would be paid well, jvds called Flor to give him a key
to French's Steakhouse, 55 J.E.Irausquin blvd. this is in vicinity of Abhambra
pvds loaded jvds bike in back of jeep, and dropped jvds off at Flor's house with
bike, pvds headed for ATMs until 4:00am.. will continue later


the family was informed by me in dec. of this location, but I
didn't have the marker numbers, my in fo comes from the liar of aruba,
and even they can't lie without 10% truth, it's easier to search a channel
or dock than an ocean, if it was your daughter what would you do.


When jvds was dropped off at Flor's house, he picked up a key and
rode his bike back, at 2:26am he called 2ks to meet him at the pond
at this time he had a wreck on the bike,this explains the static that dk heard plus the bruise seen next day by his classmates. sk was driving, when jvds pulled up on his bike, sk jumped in back so  jvds could tell dk the plan. and they can't go because his car was too noisy, at this time around 2:35am, the gardener
drove by, at 2:40am, guido and andre pull up, 2ks head for home, at 2:45am
the body is loaded.2:45am jvds sends textmsg to 2ks that they were on their
way(the barb bushes was reason for scratches) at 3:00am the 2ks get home.
at 3:05am dk gets textmsg that body was delivered, at 3:11am jvds sends
textmsg to Flor telling her same messg.
                    Meetings
The first meeting was held at the Racquet club at 6:00pm mon,,5/30/05,
with Koen,Sander,Flor,Freddy,Amanda, Gilayla, so they could get their stories
straight, and when they would be paid, Koen and Sander were told to help
pvds steal the Crab Trap from Fishermans Huts later that night.
The second meeting was 8:00pm that night at Radisson Casino,with DK,
guido, Andre,Beto, also to get stories straight, also when they get paid..
also after 11:00pm pick up Natalee's body, and return jvds's house.
This is when DK,pvds,jvds, were burying the body next to the house, that
they were interrupted by Beth& Jug, and were sent on a wild goose chase,
so Dk and pvds could get the car moved, so nobody would have an excuse
to enter the prop. when the body was buried next to his house the two dogs were
digging up the body, jvds didn't go to school next day, body had to be moved inside, and put in freezer, prepare for final place. this also explains
new patio cement work


Alibis and Movies
2ks were seen cleaning the car on 5/30/05 next morning, but couldn't
removed all blood, he took his car to Automobile enterprise, to get it
detailed and replace seats if needed, then he went back to Pond area.
and police the area, (he was seen doing this by a witness, for T.J. Ward)
he took the C&C logo cups placed by entrance Marriott, drove to Arahi beach
to mark his spot(urinate), then took her under pants,condoms, tape, and
wrappers from condoms to Bird Sanctuary, to mis lead police.
jvds protrays himself after Richard Kuklinski (the Ice Man of N.J.) when you read the police car tapes,he calls the 2KS Friend after each sentence, and
at the end tells them he's going to kill them. he also kelp bodies in freezers.
this was his MO. he also was a sociopath
S. Croes is not involved, when he heard pvds had deep pockets, and paying
all the Pimps, he jump on the bandwagon.
2ks don't know where's Natalee's body is at..
why did pvds send two younger sons to Florida, when he got arrested??
On 6/3/05 fri. at 9:00pm Beto, koen, Sander, met at jvds's apt., and eat
pizza, and played cards, getting ready for a boat ride,after midnight they
got to Container Harbour, they were at berth #5, this is were they unload
containers import,export all weekdays, they are left open on weekends. so
 they can park mega cruise ships if needed, it's 820 ft. long, water is 32 to
36ft. deep, her hands were put into 2.5gal. her head also was put into a 2.5
gal. bucket  the hands were dropped at center of this dock by marker#5.
they travel north est. 200ft.then dropped her head and still went north
and dropped her body #45 buoy or marker, this is a channel and protected
from waves, they could have used a small boat?? oars or ele. motor, very quite..
Beto works part time for Caribbean overseas, very familiar with area.


The above is what I've been working on trying to figure out...I might be wasting my time...I don't know...and I appologize for the graphics...

NOTE:  CODEBREAKER DID NOT HAVE ANY INSIDE INFORMATION, HE/SHE WAS JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.  THIS IS HER OPINION OF WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED BASED UPON ARTICLES, PV'S AND JORAN'S BOOK.

[LoRain]

PLEASE NOTE....I did not write the above posts...

[klaasend]

Thanks for the pics Klaasend....I appreciate your willingness to help....

Does anyone know what area offshore was searched after the "19 year old" security guard was arrested.....it was supposed to be a 4 day search but the article I read did not give a location...

Are you talking about GVC?  Last April 2006?  If I'm not mistaken it was around that same time that the witness came forward and talked about seeing Joran walk Natalee out to sea in the Arashi area.  It would have been near the Lighthouse.  I don't think they really did much of a search though.  Then that witness recanted and said he lied about the whole thing.

[LoRain]

Makes one wonder exactly who was really telling the truth but got scared and decided to say it was a lie....

[Nut44x4]

Karma....to fully describe it as it was described to me would be more graphic than that.....I was told "evidence" was placed in 2 1/2 gallon buckets....I'm assuming tied to the buoys or sunken so it would not float...I dunno for sure....I just hope they are searched...

I won't hold my breath on that. If there is any chance what so ever of finding Natalee...they won't search.

In the meantime...anyone know what this building is in this photo?

[klaasend]

What photo? 

[Buckeye]

LoRain

Links at these links show the three shipping ports.  To be that long a dock, it must be for a ship??

http://www.arubaports.com/

http://www.selmaduro.com/

[LoRain]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

[LoRain]

I guess I need to give it a rest....I can't figure it out...thanks for the help...

[klaasend]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

Nope and I'm not so sure alot of that information was nothing but an over active imagination by Codebreaker.

[wreck]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

Nope and I'm not so sure alot of that information was nothing but an over active imagination by Codebreaker.

I agree. While the scenario is "plausible" time wise -- I just don't think she was killed within 20 minutes of leaving C'nC's.

[klaasend]

000
WTNT31 KNHC 012344
TCPAT1
BULLETIN
HURRICANE FELIX INTERMEDIATE ADVISORY NUMBER   5A
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL   AL062007
800 PM AST SAT SEP 01 2007

...FELIX BECOMES A HURRICANE...NEW WATCH FOR JAMAICA...

AT 8 PM AST...0000 UTC...THE GOVERNMENT OF JAMAICA HAS ISSUED A
TROPICAL STORM WATCH FOR JAMAICA.  A TROPICAL STORM WATCH MEANS
THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE WATCH
AREA...GENERALLY WITHIN 36 HOURS.

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE ISLANDS OF
ARUBA...BONAIRE AND CURACAO.  A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT
TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED WITHIN THE WARNING AREA
WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS.


INTERESTS ELSEWHERE IN THE CENTRAL AND WESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA SHOULD
CLOSELY MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THIS SYSTEM.

FOR STORM INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO YOUR AREA...INCLUDING POSSIBLE
INLAND WATCHES AND WARNINGS...PLEASE MONITOR PRODUCTS ISSUED
BY YOUR LOCAL WEATHER OFFICE.

AT 800 PM AST...0000Z...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE FELIX WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 12.6 NORTH...LONGITUDE 66.0 WEST OR ABOUT
155 MILES...250 KM EAST-NORTHEAST OF BONAIRE AND ABOUT
270 MILES...435 KM...EAST OF ARUBA.

FELIX IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST NEAR 18 MPH...30 KM/HR...AND THIS
GENERAL MOTION IS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
ON THIS TRACK...FELIX WILL BE PASSING NEAR OR TO THE NORTH OF THE
ISLANDS OF ARUBA...BONAIRE AND CURACAO LATE TONIGHT OR EARLY SUNDAY
MORNING.

REPORTS FROM A NOAA HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT INDICATE THAT MAXIMUM
SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE INCREASED TO NEAR 75 MPH...120 KM/HR...WITH
HIGHER GUSTS.  THIS MAKES FELIX A CATEGORY ONE HURRICANE ON THE
SAFFIR-SIMPSON HURRICANE SCALE.  ADDITIONAL STRENGTHENING IS
EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS.

DATA FROM THE STEPPED FREQUENCY MICROWAVE RADIOMETER ON BOARD THE
HURRICANE HUNTER INDICATE THAT HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD
UP TO 15 MILES...25 KM...FROM THE CENTER AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE
WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES...220 KM...PRIMARILY TO THE
NORTH OF THE CENTER.

THE LATEST MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE REPORTED BY THE HURRICANE HUNTER
IS 993 MB...29.32 INCHES.

RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 2 TO 4 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER THE OFFSHORE
ISLANDS OF VENEZUELA AND THE NETHERLANDS ANTILLES ISLANDS OF
ARUBA...BONAIRE AND CURACAO.

REPEATING THE 800 PM AST POSITION...12.6 N...66.0 W.  MOVEMENT
TOWARD...WEST NEAR 18 MPH.  MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...70 MPH.
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...999 MB.

THE NEXT ADVISORY WILL BE ISSUED BY THE NATIONAL
HURRICANE CENTER AT 1100 PM AST.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT1+shtml/012344.shtml

[LoRain]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

Nope and I'm not so sure alot of that information was nothing but an over active imagination by Codebreaker.

Yeah......I guess you "had to be there"...thanks for all your help Klaasend and all of you....

[bleachedblack]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

Nope and I'm not so sure alot of that information was nothing but an over active imagination by Codebreaker.

I agree. While the scenario is "plausible" time wise -- I just don't think she was killed within 20 minutes of leaving C'nC's.

I agree Wreck. There are a lot of things in that scenario that just are not plausible IMO. It reads like a remote viewing session by an apprentice.

......no bicycle, no steak house, no moving between 3 buoys, no meeting with flor etc etc at the racket club........just goes on and on........

[klaasend]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

Nope and I'm not so sure alot of that information was nothing but an over active imagination by Codebreaker.

Yeah......I guess you "had to be there"...thanks for all your help Klaasend and all of you....

It was interresting to say the least.  If what you mean by "had to be there" is seeing the posts when they happened, I did.  I was watching as Codebreaker was posting at BFN.

[LoRain]

No actually I meant you had to be there in his head...lol....I was trying to be nice....

[Nut44x4]

What photo? 

LMAO@me, lol.

Here>http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2204885240088796604WiNuAR

[Nut44x4]

I still don't see any "blankety-blank" buoys or markers....I have not read where any of these or the Dock#5 have been mentioned before....have ya'll....

Nope and I'm not so sure alot of that information was nothing but an over active imagination by Codebreaker.

Yeah......I guess you "had to be there"...thanks for all your help Klaasend and all of you....

It was interresting to say the least.  If what you mean by "had to be there" is seeing the posts when they happened, I did.  I was watching as Codebreaker was posting at BFN.

Me too...and at the time, BEFORE his email to Debbie, I spent a long while searching for such buoy markers and such. Looked high and low...nothing.

[LoRain]

I heard that loud and clear Nut....