Lively Case Discussion #526 9/23 - 9/26/2006

[Kat_Gram]

What kind of police work was this ?
You question them at intervals that allows for communication between
the three.
Then, you arrest some black guys.

[San]

What kind of police work was this ?
You question them at intervals that allows for communication between
the three.
Then, you arrest some black guys.

As Art Wood would say it was a "professional cover-up".

[Ono]

I do believe Anita seemed to also know a bit too much about them as well.  

She asks why Natalee got in the car with her son.  Because she wasn't a good judge of character, at least not after an evening of drinking.  Now I have a question for Anita:   WHAT MADE YOU THINK THAT YOU SHOULD TELL THE MOTHER OF A MISSING GIRL THE MINUTE DETAILS OF YOUR SON'S SEXUAL EXPLOITS WITH THE MISSING DAUGHTER?  WHAT KIND OF INSENSITIVE FOOL ARE YOU?  AND THEN DENY ALL OF IT ONCE YOUR HUSBAND GIVES YOU A CLUE THAT YOUR SON IS A RAPIST AND COULD GO TO JAIL BECAUSE OF YOUR DISCLOSURES?


If anyone has Anita's e-mail address, please feel free to forward and let me know if she responds.  Whew!  I've been wanting to spew that for a long time.

Also, Anita asking why Natalee got in a car with Joran surely tells me that she secretly doesn't think too highly of her baby "sporter" and actually demonstrates Anita's knowlege of Joran's predatory and ungentlemanly habits/behaviour/inclinations .. Anita knows what Joran is.

[Kat_Gram]

The three of them are POS. But on a scale, satish is the least devious.
Hope Freddy's statement shows up.
If he had zip to do with this, why did Paulus get Freddy a lawyer at the same time as the Kalpoes ?

[Ono]

O/T

I bought gas this a.m for $1.97   it is now selling for $2.22 - $2.25  
  Who the Heck regulates this ??????

Heck Oldfart, last time I filled up it was $2.98 here still.  It might have gone done some but most likely around $2.88 now.

Sorry.. for your price... like I said who the heck regulates this..
 

The marketplace determines the price of gas.

[San]

The three of them are POS. But on a scale, satish is the least devious.
Hope Freddy's statement shows up.
If he had zip to do with this, why did Paulus get Freddy a lawyer at the same time as the Kalpoes ?

By Paulus getting Freddy a lawyer that first week he put the spotlight right on Freddy.

[San]

No matter how we look at these statements they all point to Joran being the murderer.

[tidycat]

Hello Monkeys.

I just dropped in for a few minutes and noted Hammer's very thought-provoking post.  

2. FROM SATISH JUNE 13 STATEMENT

"...My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach..."

"How's she doing?" The correct answer is: "She's on a plane back to the US and it was wheels up about 2-3 hours ago, where've you been? Asleep?"

They knew it was her last nite. She was supposed to be on a plane -- but deepak (and Satish?) seems to know she's not.

 

Excellent point, Hammer.  It also started me thinking:

  a)  Joran was walking home and barefoot (alone, she would  not have been with him at that point);

  b)  Yet Satish asks how the girl was doing, indicating he knew something of some sort was wrong when he last saw her...i.e, she was crying, or drunk, or throwing up, or unconscious, or had been physically harmed by   being raped, or she fell, or someone hit her...but at noon the next day, Satish assumed she was still ALIVE.  

  c)  Maybe Satish didn't know Natalee was supposed to be on a plane by that time?  Where did Satish think Natalee was?  Doesn't sound like he thought she would be dead or missing at that point.  He knew Joran had walked home alone, but he didn't ask WHERE Natalee was.      

  d)  He seemed to assume she was alive and that Joran had left her SOMEWHERE in some condition.  He did not appear to expect that Joran would have "disposed" of her permanently.

  d)  QUESTION:  Where would Satish think Joran had left her?  At the beach?  At her to her hotel?  At the house of one of Joran's friends who lived near the beach?          


This just struck me as strange.
 

tidycat

[Tylergal]

The three of them are POS. But on a scale, satish is the least devious.
Hope Freddy's statement shows up.
If he had zip to do with this, why did Paulus get Freddy a lawyer at the same time as the Kalpoes ?

By Paulus getting Freddy a lawyer that first week he put the spotlight right on Freddy.

Getting Freddy a lawyer just screams his guilt and involvement.  Paulus knew that.  Freddy knew that.  The Kalpoes know that and the ALE know that.  Yes, it's a cover-up from that involves the highest echelons of Aruba's government and citizenry.  Many people know and those who are and are not talking out of fear, are involved in the cover-up for withholding information.  No one is above the law.  They just give morals and ethics the finger.

[tidycat]

PS, my question about where Satish thought Natalee was pertains to what he was thinking up to the point where Deepak informed him Joran left her at the beach.  But he must have gone to bed thinking she was alive and not just dumped.

[Tylergal]

PS, my question about where Satish thought Natalee was pertains to what he was thinking up to the point where Deepak informed him Joran left her at the beach.  But he must have gone to bed thinking she was alive and not just dumped.

Paulus made a phone call at approximately 6:30 a.m. to whom we were told originally was Steve Croes.  Joran supposedly caught the bus at Lorenzo's.  Freddy has the video or gave it to Anita when she coerced him into coming to her house to talk to her.  Aruba girl's friend saw the car heading toward Montaja, but was it heading to Freddy's house?

[tidycat]

My brother told me he and Joran decided to tell that they went to the HI and that the girl opened the door of the car and fell out of it and that Joran helped her to get up. My brother told me then he would call me back later..."

So as many here have mentioned before, they had to throw in this part about her falling in order to cover injuries she had sustained during whatever they did to her.  Yet Satish thought she was still alive at the time this story was invented.

[nonesuche]

The three of them are POS. But on a scale, satish is the least devious.
Hope Freddy's statement shows up.
If he had zip to do with this, why did Paulus get Freddy a lawyer at the same time as the Kalpoes ?

By Paulus getting Freddy a lawyer that first week he put the spotlight right on Freddy.

Getting Freddy a lawyer just screams his guilt and involvement.  Paulus knew that.  Freddy knew that.  The Kalpoes know that and the ALE know that.  Yes, it's a cover-up from that involves the highest echelons of Aruba's government and citizenry.  Many people know and those who are and are not talking out of fear, are involved in the cover-up for withholding information.  No one is above the law.  They just give morals and ethics the finger.

Tyler-

Good to see you back, honestly I don't know how anyone could come to any other conclusion with all this evidence under the bridge now.

[nonesuche]

My brother told me he and Joran decided to tell that they went to the HI and that the girl opened the door of the car and fell out of it and that Joran helped her to get up. My brother told me then he would call me back later..."

So as many here have mentioned before, they had to throw in this part about her falling in order to cover injuries she had sustained during whatever they did to her.  Yet Satish thought she was still alive at the time this story was invented.

Hi Tidy-

I would like to believe one of them had an ounce of morality but I think Satish's statement sounded so contrived I think he lied throughout...I think all three might not have killed her but that all three knew.

[San]

The three of them are POS. But on a scale, satish is the least devious.
Hope Freddy's statement shows up.
If he had zip to do with this, why did Paulus get Freddy a lawyer at the same time as the Kalpoes ?

By Paulus getting Freddy a lawyer that first week he put the spotlight right on Freddy.

Getting Freddy a lawyer just screams his guilt and involvement.  Paulus knew that.  Freddy knew that.  The Kalpoes know that and the ALE know that.  Yes, it's a cover-up from that involves the highest echelons of Aruba's government and citizenry.  Many people know and those who are and are not talking out of fear, are involved in the cover-up for withholding information.  No one is above the law.  They just give morals and ethics the finger.

Hi Tyler,

I remember Nelson Odober on one of the news programs stating that quote.

I agree that Freddy is guilty and deeply involved in what happened.  We didn't know about Freddy being involved until they (Paulus & Kalpoes) mentioned Freddy.

[Kat_Gram]

Well, the three and Freddy all looked up to Paulus because of his position and connections.
Jeeze, this all brings on the shakes, doesn't it ? That this crime happened to Natalee and everyone on Aruba was so willing to give them a pass.
And some still are... I mean posters over at the bad side of town.

[Ono]

VERY GOOD JOB!!!!
So, Satish knows "something bad happened" but probably did not know of resulting death.  He seemed to know that she was still with Joran though.  Did she overdose?  Was she at Sloot residence?  Could cover-up go even deeper - was she at a doctor or hospital?

Yes I believe she was at the Sloot residence.  And yes I believe the cover-up could go deeper.  I do not believe she went to a hospital.  Paulus is too selfish of a man to take that risk and help her because he knows his son is in big trouble for what he did to her.  Paulus knows a lot of doctors who did he call that night.

I, too, believe she was at the Sloot Compound...I (probably incorrectly) just sense it all 'went down' there --- beach scenarios are red herrings after the fact.....Does Satish perhaps have access to any hospital pharmaceutical supplies ? Has he 'volunteered' at the hospital on Aruba? (I am assuming there is one -LOL!)...He seems to see himself as the caretaker/dosage provider. Hhhmmm....

[San]

My brother told me he and Joran decided to tell that they went to the HI and that the girl opened the door of the car and fell out of it and that Joran helped her to get up. My brother told me then he would call me back later..."

So as many here have mentioned before, they had to throw in this part about her falling in order to cover injuries she had sustained during whatever they did to her.  Yet Satish thought she was still alive at the time this story was invented.

Hi Tidy-

I would like to believe one of them had an ounce of morality but I think Satish's statement sounded so contrived I think he lied throughout...I think all three might not have killed her but that all three knew.

If you kidnapped her which all three did then you are an accessory to murder.  If she did OD then the person who put the drug in her drink is the murderer.  The drug did not get in her drink by accident so to me her murder was not an accident.

[mrs. red]

San I agree... they murdered her.

[mrs. red]

I can tell y'all one thing... that is on yet off topic....

Beth's interview in Holland, so far, has been good...  the host has not been mean to her...