Lively Case Discussion #584 2/18 - 2/25/2007

[San]

Anidac - I'm sure there are many pieces missing.

San - The question is now was Natalee still at the VDS home when Beth and Jug arrived?

She could have been Klaas.  That might have been one of the reasons it took Paulus so long to answer his door.  I will also say there was someone in the house with Paulus besides Joran and Deepak.

[anidac]

SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS

JK2 park near the POND and try to figure out what they are going to do.  That's when K2 leave Joran and Natalee (probably dead) behind and go home and clean their car.  That's when Paulus comes to help out his son, the one he would do anything to protect.

You're right Klaas, Paulus probably came to assist Joran and said to the Kalpoes you two go home I will take it from here.   Paulus and Joran take a severely injured Natalee to his home.  Paulus never got her help because Joran would be the one to go to jail and Paulus himself would be in trouble.

I'm still thinking the crime happened at the Sloot home but this could be a possibility.

I agree that taking a severely injured, drugged, raped Natalee to the Sloot home would be the safest think to do until they could figure things out.  Joran said it never would have happened if Anita had been home.  Deepak said, "Your own father, unbelievable".

Only problem I have with them taking her to the VDS house is why they would have left and had PVDS come to pick them up later on.  If they where already there and things where going "bad" why not go to the main house and get dad then?  Just thinking....

[anidac]

SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS

JK2 park near the POND and try to figure out what they are going to do.  That's when K2 leave Joran and Natalee (probably dead) behind and go home and clean their car.  That's when Paulus comes to help out his son, the one he would do anything to protect.

Edited to add - this is just my opinion of a scenerio that could have happened.

I think you are close.  My last post was another angle I was looking at prior to reading you post above.  Mixed up my posting.  LOL

[klaasend]

Anidac - here is what I'm thinking is possible

1.  JK2 drug and rape, maybe even film Natalee.  They've done this before and nothing bad has ever happened.  This time Natalee is very sick or dies in the process.

2.  JK2 at approx 2:30am are at the pond area freaking out trying to figure out what to do.

3.  Joran calls his dad.  K2 leave and go wash their car and dispose of evidence.

4.  PVDS comes and picks up Joran and Natalee and go back to the VDS home.  This would be at around 3-3:30


We do not know based upon the recent court information what time PVDS said he picked up Natalee and Joran.

[San]

SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS

JK2 park near the POND and try to figure out what they are going to do.  That's when K2 leave Joran and Natalee (probably dead) behind and go home and clean their car.  That's when Paulus comes to help out his son, the one he would do anything to protect.

You're right Klaas, Paulus probably came to assist Joran and said to the Kalpoes you two go home I will take it from here.   Paulus and Joran take a severely injured Natalee to his home.  Paulus never got her help because Joran would be the one to go to jail and Paulus himself would be in trouble.

I'm still thinking the crime happened at the Sloot home but this could be a possibility.

I agree that taking a severely injured, drugged, raped Natalee to the Sloot home would be the safest think to do until they could figure things out.  Joran said it never would have happened if Anita had been home.  Deepak said, "Your own father, unbelievable".

Only problem I have with them taking her to the VDS house is why they would have left and had PVDS come to pick them up later on.  If they where already there and things where going "bad" why not go to the main house and get dad then?  Just thinking....

Maybe things didn't go bad until they left.  Once they saw what Joran did to her they called Paulus and he said I will be right there don't move.  Paulus arrived and saw how bad it really was and he said let's get out of here before someone sees you.  Take her to our house and let's see what we can do.

[AZSunny]

OH dear,  I have created a bit of a war of words on the cruise critic boards.  I had said that I would not return to Aruba because of the drugs
and crime.  I also mentioned  Natalee.  here are two response I received.  HELP!!

Totally contrary to our experiences in Aruba and I doubt that the facts would support the charges of a high crime rate or excessive availability of illegal drugs. Not everyone will love Aruba, but then again there are probably a few folks not enamored of Arizona either.


I have to agree-I love Aruba! I wasn't offered drugs and I found the natives to be cordial and pleasant. I look forward to visiting there again.

What did I do??...I suggested they read Scared Monkeys to get some real information.  stand by..this isn't over.

[klaasend]

Anidac - here is what I'm thinking is possible

1.  JK2 drug and rape, maybe even film Natalee.  They've done this before and nothing bad has ever happened.  This time Natalee is very sick or dies in the process.

2.  JK2 at approx 2:30am are at the pond area freaking out trying to figure out what to do.

3.  Joran calls his dad.  K2 leave and go wash their car and dispose of evidence.

4.  PVDS comes and picks up Joran and Natalee and go back to the VDS home.  This would be at around 3-3:30


We do not know based upon the recent court information what time PVDS said he picked up Natalee and Joran.

THAT is why Deepak needed to find out when/if Joran got home
THAT is why Satish wanted to know how the girl was doing

[Cat]

IMO,she died at the vds house.i note the yard work and concrete not long after.why not let the house be searched,if you have nothing to hide.Why not Let Tim,clear the well and septic tank,if nothing to hide.I am ready to take the red and blue pills,that Nemo,is giving me,.My heroes were always Firemen,and medics.CAT

[klaasend]

OH dear,  I have created a bit of a war of words on the cruise critic boards.  I had said that I would not return to Aruba because of the drugs
and crime.  I also mentioned  Natalee.  here are two response I received.  HELP!!

Totally contrary to our experiences in Aruba and I doubt that the facts would support the charges of a high crime rate or excessive availability of illegal drugs. Not everyone will love Aruba, but then again there are probably a few folks not enamored of Arizona either.


I have to agree-I love Aruba! I wasn't offered drugs and I found the natives to be cordial and pleasant. I look forward to visiting there again.

What did I do??...I suggested they read Scared Monkeys to get some real information.  stand by..this isn't over.

They are probably already posting at RU or FOB and not much you can do to change their minds.

[anidac]

Anidac - here is what I'm thinking is possible

1.  JK2 drug and rape, maybe even film Natalee.  They've done this before and nothing bad has ever happened.  This time Natalee is very sick or dies in the process.

2.  JK2 at approx 2:30am are at the pond area freaking out trying to figure out what to do.

3.  Joran calls his dad.  K2 leave and go wash their car and dispose of evidence.

4.  PVDS comes and picks up Joran and Natalee and go back to the VDS home.  This would be at around 3-3:30


We do not know based upon the recent court information what time PVDS said he picked up Natalee and Joran.

I am picking through this mountain of files here to see how many versions of the PVDS pick time I can find.  There have been several but they did seem to be clustered into a couple of different groupings.  There always seems to be a thread of truth in every good lie.  Let's see if we can find the thread weaving through the numerious lies.

[San]

OH dear,  I have created a bit of a war of words on the cruise critic boards.  I had said that I would not return to Aruba because of the drugs
and crime.  I also mentioned  Natalee.  here are two response I received.  HELP!!

Totally contrary to our experiences in Aruba and I doubt that the facts would support the charges of a high crime rate or excessive availability of illegal drugs. Not everyone will love Aruba, but then again there are probably a few folks not enamored of Arizona either.


I have to agree-I love Aruba! I wasn't offered drugs and I found the natives to be cordial and pleasant. I look forward to visiting there again.

What did I do??...I suggested they read Scared Monkeys to get some real information.  stand by..this isn't over.

Tell them to educate themselves before posting.

[klaasend]

IMO,she died at the vds house.i note the yard work and concrete not long after.why not let the house be searched,if you have nothing to hide.Why not Let Tim,clear the well and septic tank,if nothing to hide.I am ready to take the red and blue pills,that Nemo,is giving me,.My heroes were always Firemen,and medics.CAT

CAT - I agree.  I think Paulus let her die.  He could have called 911 but instead he let her die and disposed of her body.

[San]

IMO,she died at the vds house.i note the yard work and concrete not long after.why not let the house be searched,if you have nothing to hide.Why not Let Tim,clear the well and septic tank,if nothing to hide.I am ready to take the red and blue pills,that Nemo,is giving me,.My heroes were always Firemen,and medics.CAT

I agree Cat she died at the VDS house.

[sb]

Hi everyone,

One of the comments that was made EARLY ON by an Aruban poster has always intrigued me.

That person said, "One thing is known for sure, there was something very strange going on in Noord at about 2:30 AM that night".

I always thought that meant that whatever happened in and around the VDS home was able to be HEARD by people there close by, and that people may have seen and heard things like cars flying down the street, doors slamming, people hollering, etc. Kind of like a "Cops" episode, island-style. Where everyone on the block knows that it's comin' DOWN tonight.

This has never been enlarged on at all.

[San]

IMO,she died at the vds house.i note the yard work and concrete not long after.why not let the house be searched,if you have nothing to hide.Why not Let Tim,clear the well and septic tank,if nothing to hide.I am ready to take the red and blue pills,that Nemo,is giving me,.My heroes were always Firemen,and medics.CAT

CAT - I agree.  I think Paulus let her die.  He could have called 911 but instead he let her die and disposed of her body.

This is it in a nutshell.  I remember when I posted this many months ago about Paulus letting her die.  Premediated Murder.

[klaasend]

SB - do you remember that Aruban posters nickname?

[AZSunny]

OH dear,  I have created a bit of a war of words on the cruise critic boards.  I had said that I would not return to Aruba because of the drugs
and crime.  I also mentioned  Natalee.  here are two response I received.  HELP!!

Totally contrary to our experiences in Aruba and I doubt that the facts would support the charges of a high crime rate or excessive availability of illegal drugs. Not everyone will love Aruba, but then again there are probably a few folks not enamored of Arizona either.


I have to agree-I love Aruba! I wasn't offered drugs and I found the natives to be cordial and pleasant. I look forward to visiting there again.

What did I do??...I suggested they read Scared Monkeys to get some real information.  stand by..this isn't over.

They are probably already posting at RU or FOB and not much you can do to change their minds.

I know, but it still Pi$$ me off.

[anidac]

Be back in a few.  Need to go calm dad down about today's local events.  This is by far NOT the worst she has been involved in.  (eyes rolling)

[AZSunny]

OH dear,  I have created a bit of a war of words on the cruise critic boards.  I had said that I would not return to Aruba because of the drugs
and crime.  I also mentioned  Natalee.  here are two response I received.  HELP!!

Totally contrary to our experiences in Aruba and I doubt that the facts would support the charges of a high crime rate or excessive availability of illegal drugs. Not everyone will love Aruba, but then again there are probably a few folks not enamored of Arizona either.


I have to agree-I love Aruba! I wasn't offered drugs and I found the natives to be cordial and pleasant. I look forward to visiting there again.

What did I do??...I suggested they read Scared Monkeys to get some real information.  stand by..this isn't over.

Tell them to educate themselves before posting.

great idea.  thanks...

[mrs. red]

hey monkeys...

I hope everyone has checked out the front page!  Awesome work Klaasend...