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Title: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 10, 2011, 06:11:24 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_6kkH4xekiNo/SZKQK0cR4rI/AAAAAAAAD7Y/7vikuAXrPIc/s400/Caylee_2005-2008closer.jpg)

FOR LIVE HEARINGS, THESE ARE THE USUAL LINKS:

No refresh clicking required:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream


Split Screen/No refresh Clicking Required:

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/EUke1XT5_5Q

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Other live stream sites:

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/subindex/our_programs/live


http://www.wftv.com/video/27049808/index.html

* Constantly on Casey

http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive2/index.html

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/19046963/index.html

http://www.wesh.com/video/27050096/detail.html

iPhone App:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/casey-anthony-updates/id428240236?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

Android App:

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.lsn.localnews147

SKYFIRE - MOBILE BROWSER FOR iPhone and Android:
http://www.skyfire.com/

MAGIC EYES - Trial Recaps:  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10358.0

 ::MonkeyJustice::



Now that we are finally starting the trial, all Off Topic posts will be moved to the MURDER TRIAL BREAK ROOM without comment to the poster, it will just happen.  Please keep that in mind.  It is too hard for people to catch up if they have to wade thru Off Topic too.  TIA

BREAK ROOM THREAD

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9923.0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 08:17:54 AM
 ::justice2NJ:: Let's ROLL!  ::boxingjeffbaez::  ::boxingcasey2:: ::MonkeyHang::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: 4myjoey on June 11, 2011, 08:20:35 AM
Here's another facebook page that shows more of the bones.


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231477933536018.77202.174731405877338&l=44399bf771


Very very disturbing!     ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 08:22:49 AM
Gm.............. ::justice2NJ::

They are lined up and ready...

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg611/scaled.php?tn=0&server=611&filename=z91lwn.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)


http://yfrog.com/gzz91lwnj


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: MuffyBee on June 11, 2011, 08:30:29 AM
 ::justice2NJ::  It's a fine day for justice for Caylee  ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 08:38:23 AM
 ::justice2NJ:: Justice for Caylee!!! ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tevye on June 11, 2011, 08:43:31 AM
I've decided I would not want to attend the trial...I would just want instant access to all the transcripts, especially the sidebars. Who knows what Mumbles really sounds like when he's off camera? Just how patient can Judge Perry be with that "I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so now I'm a lawyer" Baez? And, has LDB or Jeff Ashton ever muttered "Oh, for cripes sake!"

Plus, I don't do well in lines. I avoid Black Friday because I get so disgusted with the long, unruly lines at the check out that I will just shove my full cart to the center of the store and walk away.

So glad the trial is going on Saturdays. At work, I'm too busy with local legal matters (oh, man, this week was awesome! but that's OT) to follow along, and my boss hates anything "radio"-ish. Thank goodness for lunches in the library parking lot!

For the record, I think Crzy (over)dosed Caylee, then put the tape on to keep her quiet in case she woke up. COD- overdose of chloroform followed by asphyxiation.

And Magic, you rock! yours are the first posts I look for! Thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 08:51:22 AM
Good Morning All! Does anyone know who is testifying today?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2011, 08:51:37 AM
::justice2NJ::  It's a fine day for justice for Caylee  ::justice2NJ::

Yes it is!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2011, 08:51:49 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 08:52:47 AM
 ::HelloKitty::  Good Morning Monkeys!

Our fellow Monkey Desdemona, whose thoughts and posts I dearly miss, made this chart awhile back. It lists the bones that were not found.

(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr286/olivegirl/Casey/DispersalAreas_Visual.jpg)


                                        JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2011, 08:52:56 AM
Good Morning All! Does anyone know who is testifying today?

The bug man bearly got started yesterday, I'm sure they'll call him this morning.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blue Moon on June 11, 2011, 08:55:10 AM
Here's another facebook page that shows more of the bones.


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.231477933536018.77202.174731405877338&l=44399bf771


Very very disturbing!     ::MonkeyMad::

very disturbing indeed.  The picture with Caylee's face superimposed on it made me want to throwup.  KC is indeed a monster. 
 ::justice2NJ:: ::justice2NJ:: ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:55:15 AM
Good Morning CarolF, Puzzler, Gizzie, tupelohoney, pharlap, Tolerance, BabsKats, karenmamo, Tevye, Monken, akmom, sharon, cubbeegirl, georgia peach, texasmom, SweetMorgan, CBeach, cece5300, klaasend, 4myjoey, Magnolia, Blue Moon, slowsouthernrain, Angiex911dsptchr, Riley, PookyBear, mz_maven, Mary, AzGrama, _icey_, trimmonthelake, wreck, lula, snoopy, cherjers, MAca, Rizzy  and 70 guests

another day closer to Justice for Caylee............let's git 'er done!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 08:56:34 AM
Good Morning all! I hope today brings us one step closer to justice for Caylee!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Good morning monkeys! What time are we suppose to get started this morning? TYIA...
I find Geraldo's about face to be very interesting...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:58:39 AM
All smiles today.  It does look like she is coughing a little so she may have that cold/cough that has going around in the courthouse.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5304/5821103204_6e90dd7cf2_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: _icey_ on June 11, 2011, 08:58:49 AM
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2cdk2zp.jpg)
The only reason Casey is crying is because she got caught.

(http://i56.tinypic.com/2841mu.jpg)
Without the jury in the courtroom, Casey Anthony is seen shortly after watching a video demonstration showing the skull of her daughter superimposed on a photo of the child when she was alive during trial at the Orange County Courthouse on Friday, June 10, 2011. (Joe Burbank, Orlando Sentinel) Orlando Sentinel ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 08:58:52 AM
Good Morning All! Does anyone know who is testifying today?

The bug man bearly got started yesterday, I'm sure they'll call him this morning.




That's right, Thanks!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:59:51 AM
::HelloKitty::  Good Morning Monkeys!

Our fellow Monkey Desdemona, whose thoughts and posts I dearly miss, made this chart awhile back. It lists the bones that were not found.



Hi tupelo!!  thanks for posting this and I miss Desi too.....a LOT!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:00:07 AM
HEY JOSE -IF YOU ARE READING HERE...

 ::boxingbaez2::  :smt097


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 09:00:24 AM
Good morning monkeys! What time are we suppose to get started this morning? TYIA...
I find Geraldo's about face to be very interesting...


Geraldo is changing his mind? Why, the duct tape?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 09:00:34 AM
She looks giddy...  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 11, 2011, 09:01:45 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php


Thanks for the link.  D. Simms so values human life.  Noticed a change in her behavior as the remains were shown. Guessing she is the one using the IM to help Baez. 
Good morning monkeys.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:01:53 AM
Cubbee - Geraldo changed his mind?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 09:02:02 AM
HEY JOSE -IF YOU ARE READING HERE...

 ::boxingbaez2::  :smt097


HAhahahahahahaha  ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 09:02:24 AM
I don't know WHAT in sam's name she has to be happy about. The least she could do is act professional and take her murder trial seriously.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:02:28 AM
How are these pictures of Caylee while dead getting out on the internet?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:03:33 AM
Entomologist up first!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:03:40 AM
Dr. Neil Haskell is first witness!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:03:57 AM
Good morning monkeys! What time are we suppose to get started this morning? TYIA...
I find Geraldo's about face to be very interesting...


Geraldo is changing his mind? Why, the duct tape?

I would be interested in this as well...have not heard that one yet!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: _icey_ on June 11, 2011, 09:04:14 AM
HEY JOSE -IF YOU ARE READING HERE...

 ::boxingbaez2::  :smt097
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1istw.jpg) @ Klaas


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:04:16 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php


Thanks for the link.  D. Simms so values human life.  Noticed a change in her behavior as the remains were shown. Guessing she is the one using the IM to help Baez. 
Good morning monkeys.

I see on her bio she has held a cobra in India so she should feel right at home sitting next to Casey.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:04:17 AM
Looks like one reporter is seeing the difference in KC when the jury is out of the courtroom!!  thanks Joe Burbank, Orlando Sentinel


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:05:29 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php


Thanks for the link.  D. Simms so values human life.  Noticed a change in her behavior as the remains were shown. Guessing she is the one using the IM to help Baez. 
Good morning monkeys.

I see on her bio she has held a cobra in India so she should feel right at home sitting next to Casey.  ::MonkeyCool::

lol..so true


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:05:45 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php


::justice2NJ:: Good Morning!!
One day closer to Justice for Caylee

Puzzler, thanks for that link!! Sims doesn't belong at that defense table with all those snakes


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:05:55 AM
HEY JOSE -IF YOU ARE READING HERE...

 ::boxingbaez2::  :smt097


HAhahahahahahaha  ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Tell it Klaas!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:06:01 AM
HEY JOSE -IF YOU ARE READING HERE...

 ::boxingbaez2::  :smt097

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::  thanks for my new avi!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2011, 09:06:18 AM
Cubbee - Geraldo changed his mind?

Yes, I heard him on Bill O'Reilly's show last night.  The change in his tone was very notable.  Says 1st degree murder, maybe LWOP, maybe death.  He still thinks it will get turned over on appeal about miranda rights.  Fool.

Anyway, definately down and mind changed and quoted the 84 timex chloroform and Dr. G's testimony. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
Dr Neil Haskel, next witness


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 09:06:54 AM
Dr. Neil Haskell is first witness!

Forensic Entomologist ... IE bug expert.

Going to tie the crime scene with Casey's car with coffin flies.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Puzzler on June 11, 2011, 09:07:30 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php


::justice2NJ:: Good Morning!!
One day closer to Justice for Caylee

Puzzler, thanks for that link!! Sims doesn't belong at that defense table with all those snakes

Sims has certainly lead a different and varied life.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:07:30 AM
I've see this guy on Forensic Files a few times.  I think he's *the* bug guy in the country.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 09:08:05 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php


Thanks for the link.  D. Simms so values human life.  Noticed a change in her behavior as the remains were shown. Guessing she is the one using the IM to help Baez. 
Good morning monkeys.

I see on her bio she has held a cobra in India so she should feel right at home sitting next to Casey.  ::MonkeyCool::




That's hilarious, and so true! You're in a good mood this morning, klaas!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:08:24 AM
Dr. Haskell - forensic entomologist

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3534/5821126214_d4c47d6b13_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:08:49 AM
Good morning monkeys! What time are we suppose to get started this morning? TYIA...
I find Geraldo's about face to be very interesting...

cubbee, please explain what you mean about his about face.......thanks


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 09:09:21 AM
Cubbee - Geraldo changed his mind?

Yes... I believe it was on Fox and Friends...he said he thinks she will be convicted and get LWOP







Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:10:24 AM
Cubbee - Geraldo changed his mind?

Yes... I believe it was on Fox and Friends...he said he thinks she will be convicted and get LWOP







Thanks Cubbee!  I see Geraldo could only blindly protect his friend so long.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 09:10:32 AM
As soon as I have enough coffee to even type I will search... it was also discussed in the last nights (early mornings) threads...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 09:11:22 AM
Cubbee - Geraldo changed his mind?

Yes, I heard him on Bill O'Reilly's show last night.  The change in his tone was very notable.  Says 1st degree murder, maybe LWOP, maybe death.  He still thinks it will get turned over on appeal about miranda rights.  Fool.

Anyway, definately down and mind changed and quoted the 84 timex chloroform and Dr. G's testimony. 




Very interesting! At least he's paying attention to the evidence, the idiot! Just wait til the pros. gets it all out there!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:11:58 AM
Cindy and GEorge are there today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:13:09 AM
Dr. Neil Haskell is first witness!

Forensic Entomologist ... IE bug expert.

Going to tie the crime scene with Casey's car with coffin flies.
::rhino::  And hopefully he will have some answers with the maggots!!  I hope so!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 09:13:32 AM
Cubbee - Geraldo changed his mind?

Yes, I heard him on Bill O'Reilly's show last night.  The change in his tone was very notable.  Says 1st degree murder, maybe LWOP, maybe death.  He still thinks it will get turned over on appeal about miranda rights.  Fool.

Anyway, definately down and mind changed and quoted the 84 timex chloroform and Dr. G's testimony. 




Very interesting! At least he's paying attention to the evidence, the idiot! Just wait til the pros. gets it all out there!!

Wonder if that is one of the reasons why we don't see his mug in the gallery anymore???

At least I haven't...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:15:58 AM
Casey doesn't like these witnesses that are proving what a monster she is

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5191/5821139926_920f522342_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:16:05 AM
just goes to show that Geraldo should have done his darn homework about this case before her goes spouting off on National tv that people are trying to kill this beautiful girl, Casey! he is such a moron...now that he knows the facts, he is changing his mind? what kind of journalist is he? never mind..I know the answer to that one myself!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 09:17:24 AM
Looking at bozo and slore side by side make me want to go slam their heads together.  That obnoxious, sleazy smirk on bozo pisses me off. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 09:18:17 AM
just goes to show that Geraldo should have done his darn homework about this case before her goes spouting off on National tv that people are trying to kill this beautiful girl, Casey! he is such a moron...now that he knows the facts, he is changing his mind? what kind of journalist is he? never mind..I know the answer to that one myself!

At what point has this racist moron ever done any real research?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 09:18:54 AM
How does KC get ready in the morning? Is she able to shower daily, does she do her own hair/makeup, and who picks her outfit? Just wondering... Thanks!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:19:54 AM
just goes to show that Geraldo should have done his darn homework about this case before her goes spouting off on National tv that people are trying to kill this beautiful girl, Casey! he is such a moron...now that he knows the facts, he is changing his mind? what kind of journalist is he? never mind..I know the answer to that one myself!

 ::boxinggeraldo2:: He's been too busy supporting his yachting buddy  ::boxingjeffbaez:: despite the obvious & I largely suspect that he made a deal with Bozo to get an exclusive with Casey after conviction "the jailhouse interview."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:20:34 AM
 ::boxingbaez2:: STFU fool


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:21:31 AM
just goes to show that Geraldo should have done his darn homework about this case before her goes spouting off on National tv that people are trying to kill this beautiful girl, Casey! he is such a moron...now that he knows the facts, he is changing his mind? what kind of journalist is he? never mind..I know the answer to that one myself!

At what point has this racist moron ever done any real research?

Exactly! don't even know why he is even still on tv...he is such a has been and a disgrace to journalism..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: melisb on June 11, 2011, 09:23:30 AM
If there are anymore folks who don't believe in her guilt yet because they don't understand medical info then this guy will bring it home for them.  Even the persons not following this case can understand what these flies and maggots mean.  Your the shizznit Dr. Haskell!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:24:17 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:26:02 AM
Casey does not look happy..
she looks like she is going to fall asleep..

Cindy and George are in the courtroom someone said...I wouldn't think that this would be easy to listen to either... ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:26:18 AM
Discussing decomposition stages - no reaction from the monster

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/5820601387_f614951999_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 09:27:22 AM
Wonder how KC feels, hearing that blowflies make better mothers than she was.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: wreck on June 11, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found
Which goes back to the Defense's sole "explanation" that George was involved................... Does ANYONE think that George (ex-LE) would let the remains remain in casey's trunk for several days and then let the body be disposed of 2 blocks from home?????????? Ridiculous!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:29:04 AM
Wonder if Bozo mentioned the pic caught by the OS in their article   ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:29:31 AM
Jeff is already quite agitated with Baez this morning!   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 09:30:13 AM
Wonder how KC feels, hearing that blowflies make better mothers than she was.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:30:42 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found
Which goes back to the Defense's sole "explanation" that George was involved................... Does ANYONE think that George (ex-LE) would let the remains remain in casey's trunk for several days and then let the body be disposed of 2 blocks from home?????????? Ridiculous!

Absolutely not!   As an ex cop he would have never had a body in any family connected trunk nor would he have done any of this to his granddaughter.   Say what one may about George but if it was an accident he would have called 911 no matter what.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:32:21 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found
Which goes back to the Defense's sole "explanation" that George was involved................... Does ANYONE think that George (ex-LE) would let the remains remain in casey's trunk for several days and then let the body be disposed of 2 blocks from home?????????? Ridiculous!

Absolutely not!   As an ex cop he would have never had a body in any family connected trunk nor would he have done any of this to his granddaughter.   Say what one may about George but if it was an accident he would have called 911 no matter what.

agree 100%...George would have reported it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:32:36 AM
3,4,5, days?  What happened to 2.6 days?  hmmmm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 09:32:36 AM
His testimony is very interesting, i like him!!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 09:33:03 AM
Photobucket full ungraded and still won't let me post I will have to count on you guys for pictures until it works  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:35:23 AM
No reactions from Casey, she is like a Zombie this morning
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/5820621191_2cd308922c_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:36:22 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found
Which goes back to the Defense's sole "explanation" that George was involved................... Does ANYONE think that George (ex-LE) would let the remains remain in casey's trunk for several days and then let the body be disposed of 2 blocks from home?????????? Ridiculous!

Absolutely not!   As an ex cop he would have never had a body in any family connected trunk nor would he have done any of this to his granddaughter.   Say what one may about George but if it was an accident he would have called 911 no matter what.

ITA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 09:36:23 AM
Both these guys need cough drops


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:36:52 AM
This guy is preempting many questions the defense would have liked to attack him on, for example chain of custody


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:37:20 AM
Good Lord, if I was going to break down, it'd be now when this expert is describing bug activity on my decomposing, liquidating child. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:37:27 AM
Both these guys need cough drops

I know!  it is getting annoying even though I know they can't help it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:38:11 AM
Good Lord, if I was going to break down, it'd be now when this expert is describing bug activity on my decomposing, liquidating child. 

I sure hope the jury is taking note of her demeanor today..
no response, no reaction...unreal!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 09:41:27 AM
Good Lord, if I was going to break down, it'd be now when this expert is describing bug activity on my decomposing, liquidating child. 

I sure hope the jury is taking note of her demeanor today..
no response, no reaction...unreal!

She's bored... not paying attention... just watching his mouth move but thinking of the fact that she will die in celibacy  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
Had the body been placed (in the woods) immediately after death, there would have been literally thousands of blow flies and there were not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:42:23 AM
Casey had a big swallow when stated that the blow flies were minimal at the dump site.  She knows why!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 09:42:50 AM
Maybe she is trying to learn enough to be a fake entomyologist after this delay in the bella viva.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:42:57 AM
Dr. Neil Haskel states that the body was  out there for many, many months, based on the recovery JUNE early JULY


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:43:48 AM
Dr. H has no question the body had been "out there" for many, many months.  Based on the recovery from the scene, he suspects June/early July for the body to have been deposited.

The body was not a skeleton when it was placed there.  It was partially decomposed and still had considerable soft tissue.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 09:44:31 AM
Dr. Neil Haskel states that the body was  out there for many, many months, based on the recovery JUNE early JULY

Who will cross examine him?  Big moron or baby moron?   ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 11, 2011, 09:44:32 AM
kc appears very interested in this witness and his evaluation.  I think she is listening closely to see how close he is to what really happened.  Has she begun to accept her fate?  Or is she still believing she's going to walk?  ::boxingcasey2::  This seems to be the testimony that would be very upsetting.  Nasty flies feeding on baby Caylee.  So sad, and not a single reaction except anger from the baby killer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:44:38 AM
Maybe she is trying to learn enough to be a fake entomyologist after this delay in the bella viva.

Casey will be  ::monkeydenied:: a bella vita, the only thing she's getting is three meals & a cot while she waits to rot....in H E double hockey sticks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:44:55 AM
Body couldn't have been in trunk for very long because of hot conditions in Florida.  Decomp was fast and rapid.

Here comes x exam by bozo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:45:00 AM
Dr. Neil Haskel states that the body was  out there for many, many months, based on the recovery JUNE early JULY

Who will cross examine him?  Big moron or baby moron?   ::piggy::

Bozo, up now



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 09:46:06 AM
Dr. Neil Haskel states that the body was  out there for many, many months, based on the recovery JUNE early JULY

Who will cross examine him?  Big moron or baby moron?   ::piggy::

Bozo, up now



This will be funny.    ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 09:46:14 AM
Yep....George and Cindy are there...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
Talking about the soft tissue on Caylee's body when Casey left here there.  Still no reaction from Casey:

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2205/5821208554_217c3224ba_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 09:47:30 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found
Which goes back to the Defense's sole "explanation" that George was involved................... Does ANYONE think that George (ex-LE) would let the remains remain in casey's trunk for several days and then let the body be disposed of 2 blocks from home?????????? Ridiculous!

Which reminds me again of the craziness of the argument that there was an elaborate coverup for a drowning accident. If George and KC were going to lie, why wouldn't the lie involve minimizing their responsibility for Caylee getting into the pool and drowning? It would have taken far less imagination.

And to show that Bozo is just as nutty as KC, his theatrics about George covering up because Cindy would be angry, implying what ? KC couldn't come home without Caylee anyway, so what difference would Cindy's reaction make? For Bozo to not be embarassed putting this scenario out there, it shows that he has similar things lacking in his psyche as KC has.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:47:40 AM
did you see that snotty smirk on Casey's face when bozo greeted Haskell?

also, just saw George in the court room


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
Hahahahaha! I love this guy!!!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:48:04 AM
 ::boxingbaez2:: and your point to Dr Haskel knowing Dr Vass for a long time is?   What his testimony is prejudiced by professional acquaintance?

Bozo gets his first sustained of the day


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:48:14 AM
Foiled again Baez!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

This testimony is so interesting. Dr. Haskell is putting the final nail in Casey's coffin. I wonder if Judge Perry is still thinking the " Black Widow" is the coldest human he has ever seen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:49:12 AM
Dr Haskel, connecting Casey's car trunk to the crime scene where the remains were found
Which goes back to the Defense's sole "explanation" that George was involved................... Does ANYONE think that George (ex-LE) would let the remains remain in casey's trunk for several days and then let the body be disposed of 2 blocks from home?????????? Ridiculous!

I think the whole putting a body in the trunk screams Casey.  She was, is, probably always will be lazy.  Too lazy to work or watch her daughter.  I think the purpose of throwing Caylee's body in the trunk was twofold: 1) convenience 2) laziness


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:49:42 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

This testimony is so interesting. Dr. Haskell is putting the final nail in Casey's coffin. I wonder if Judge Perry is still thinking the " Black Widow" is the coldest human he has ever seen.

good to see you Darla!

No one is as cold as Casey Ho...imo....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:50:24 AM
why is Baez still going down the food in the trash bag road? There has been tons of tesitmony that there wasn't any.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 09:50:27 AM
ahh fruit flies...  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 09:50:44 AM
Baez is regurgitating what the doc and JA just went over. Zeesh.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
She laughed and wiped tears!!! Is that how she was crying before... by laughing???

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:52:01 AM
Casey laughed quite hard along with others, still finding it amusing  ::boxingcasey2::

She is the LAST person that should have laughed about this testimony...well had it been an accident & she was grieving.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 11, 2011, 09:52:30 AM
Casey looked so impressed when Baez pronounced the name of the fly they are talking about correctly.  I don't know about you guys but it is always satisfying to have your defense atty be able to pronounce the bugs in your childs murder trial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 11, 2011, 09:52:59 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:53:16 AM
Dr. Haskell has no problems proving Baez an idiot!   Lovin' it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 09:54:08 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

This testimony is so interesting. Dr. Haskell is putting the final nail in Casey's coffin. I wonder if Judge Perry is still thinking the " Black Widow" is the coldest human he has ever seen.

good to see you Darla!

No one is as cold as Casey Ho...imo....



Good to see you too Cookie.
OMG here we go with the kindergarten chart again. And yes Casey is the coldest I have seen also. Poor Bozo can't tell the difference between trash and garbage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 09:54:10 AM
Oh for crying out loud.. that wench needs smacked.. sitting there laughin her ass off.. ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:54:46 AM
How the hell can she smile or laugh at all??  ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:54:52 AM
Dr Haskel has a way of cutting toward Bozo with a smirk & a funny.   Clearly, he's experienced what we have with Bozo during deposition.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:55:46 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.
just blew my mind again  ::rhino::
 ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:55:57 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guest!

This testimony is so interesting. Dr. Haskell is putting the final nail in Casey's coffin. I wonder if Judge Perry is still thinking the " Black Widow" is the coldest human he has ever seen.

Hi Darla.... ::MonkeyNoNo:: not anymore!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 11, 2011, 09:56:03 AM
every time he says "trash" to replace every time Baez calls it "garbage" just sends her to the funny farm.  She can barely hold it in.  I love a good laugh, but this is quite disturbing.  She's past the breakdown, over the tears , and has moved into laughter.  She's got great coping skills.  She should be studied, seriously, she's a cold one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 11, 2011, 09:56:08 AM
So, now the bad old police planted the bugs in the trunk or something? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:56:11 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.

That inandofitself deserves a death sentence...there is no way if she cared at all about Caylee that she could be laughing during this testimony minus Haskel's ability to make her attorney a fool


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 09:56:37 AM
So, now the bad old police planted the bugs in the trunk or something? 

Its time to sing Bozo's song.....@$$holomia!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:57:11 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.

that was my reaction too.....just WOW!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 09:57:32 AM
I hope the jury saw her laughing


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 11, 2011, 09:58:21 AM
Bozo loves his big old pads of papers.  Is this guy for real?  Who uses that type of visual aid any more?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 09:58:37 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Haskell did not send paper towels for DNA analysis. He sent it to Dr. Vass.
42 seconds ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 09:58:39 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.

Hope the jurors caught that too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:58:40 AM
How many times can Baez say NOW???  Irritating.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: melisb on June 11, 2011, 09:58:47 AM
Bozo being an azz to this nice man isn't going to go over well with the jury.  It's about to pizz me off right now.  He seems to be an upright and genuine gentleman who won't like being treated like this and may just say so.  Oops he just said something about Bozo insulting him!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: snoopy on June 11, 2011, 09:59:18 AM
Bozo is such an arrogant azz.  No respect at all for this court or witnesses.  I don't know how I can hear his voice much more.  OMG


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 09:59:49 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.

that was my reaction too.....just WOW!!!
::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 11, 2011, 10:00:22 AM
Bozo:  But my point is ..... yet, he has no point.

thousands and thousands of legs, i mean egss.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 10:00:49 AM
How the hell can she smile or laugh at all??  ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingcasey2::

Wonder if this is part of defense strategy to show that she is now in denial stage again, acting like nothing's wrong. After the last two days' acting upset.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:01:19 AM
every time he says "trash" to replace every time Baez calls it "garbage" just sends her to the funny farm.  She can barely hold it in.  I love a good laugh, but this is quite disturbing.  She's past the breakdown, over the tears , and has moved into laughter.  She's got great coping skills.  She should be studied, seriously, she's a cold one.
I hope the jury takes note of this. I wish that JP could see the pic of her giving someone the middle finger the other day in court


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:01:42 AM
How many times can Baez say NOW???  Irritating.

That is how you can tell someone in a Q & A setting is attempting to get an answer to fit their purpose.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:02:28 AM
Being as I don't trust Baez one iota....I wish witnesses would use their own reports and not his.   just sayin'


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 10:02:31 AM
wow, that was a belly laugh! trash vs. garbage, live child vs. one being fed on by maggots.  nice, I'm glad she can get tickled about that.  she can barely hold herself in.  wow. just wow.
just blew my mind again  ::rhino::
 ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingcasey2::

blew my mind too!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 11, 2011, 10:02:59 AM
every time he says "trash" to replace every time Baez calls it "garbage" just sends her to the funny farm.  She can barely hold it in.  I love a good laugh, but this is quite disturbing.  She's past the breakdown, over the tears , and has moved into laughter.  She's got great coping skills.  She should be studied, seriously, she's a cold one.
I hope the jury takes note of this. I wish that JP could see the pic of her giving someone the middle finger the other day in court
me too!  I wonder if Kathy Belich has seen it?  That would be awesome if she and Bill S. talked about it and showed it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:03:03 AM
Are Cindy and George there today?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:03:05 AM
I'd be amazed if the jury doesn't hate her by now.
 ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: slowsouthernrain on June 11, 2011, 10:03:12 AM
Morning dear Monkey friends.  I do not think Bozo understands that he is not able to tangle with this witness.  Grab a life boat Bozo and make a fast exit...lol..  I watched a show on ID last night with Mr. Haskel and was very impressed with his work.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
So, now the bad old police planted the bugs in the trunk or something? 

no...Kronk did, don't cha know...lol..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:04:19 AM
Are Cindy and George there today?

Yes & I would think they saw their daughter laughing at this horrid testimony


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 10:04:29 AM
Blowflies under the bus


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:04:37 AM
every time he says "trash" to replace every time Baez calls it "garbage" just sends her to the funny farm.  She can barely hold it in.  I love a good laugh, but this is quite disturbing.  She's past the breakdown, over the tears , and has moved into laughter.  She's got great coping skills.  She should be studied, seriously, she's a cold one.
I hope the jury takes note of this. I wish that JP could see the pic of her giving someone the middle finger the other day in court


You and me both flamom.... wish I could send it to the judge along with the youtube of her flirting with bozo and giving him the finger...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 11, 2011, 10:05:39 AM
THE POINT IS DUFUS, there should have been zero bugs in the trunk or trashbags, because, the only thing in there, according to you, was garbage, none of which was meat, YOU DUFUS.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:06:01 AM
Blowflies under the bus
::MonkeyHaHa::  whoever can fit goes under the Bobobus


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:06:13 AM
So, now the bad old police planted the bugs in the trunk or something? 

no...Kronk did, don't cha know...lol..

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
His easel insults the jury, they all have notebooks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 11, 2011, 10:07:19 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 10:07:50 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Haskell is a gray-haired, bearded old man. Looks like a sailor. He's pretty sarcastic at times with Baez. He knows his bug stuff!
2 minutes ago
Casey Anthony News13
CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Haskell found 1blow fly's leg in garbage. There can be thousands of these bugs around a body. Baez will try point out only 1fly leg found.
5 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:08:30 AM
Did they do DNA testing on the flies for Caylee's DNA or for drugs?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 10:08:44 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage

thanks for explaining that..I was wondering what that was about too...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
It's appropriate to have him up there on Saturday morning.  That's when most cartoons run.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::piggy:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 10:09:12 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:09:37 AM
THE POINT IS DUFUS, there should have been zero bugs in the trunk or trashbags, because, the only thing in there, according to you, was garbage, none of which was meat, YOU DUFUS.
So True  ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Babybear on June 11, 2011, 10:10:06 AM
just goes to show that Geraldo should have done his darn homework about this case before her goes spouting off on National tv that people are trying to kill this beautiful girl, Casey! he is such a moron...now that he knows the facts, he is changing his mind? what kind of journalist is he? never mind..I know the answer to that one myself!

At what point has this racist moron ever done any real research?
Good morning, Monkeys

Don--I'm glad you said that.  I think his blind support of Baez simply because they are both Hispanics is indeed rascist. In fact that idiot Rivera as much as said that was his reason to support Baez--common ethnic background.   No argument from this quarter about the moron part, either.  You don't have to be Hispanic to be ignorant.  One has nothing to do with the other.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:11:30 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!

It's because he KNOWS his BS fairy tale won't fly!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:12:04 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!

It's because he KNOWS his BS fairy tale won't fly!

No pun intended


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:12:41 AM
just goes to show that Geraldo should have done his darn homework about this case before her goes spouting off on National tv that people are trying to kill this beautiful girl, Casey! he is such a moron...now that he knows the facts, he is changing his mind? what kind of journalist is he? never mind..I know the answer to that one myself!

At what point has this racist moron ever done any real research?
Good morning, Monkeys

Don--I'm glad you said that.  I think his blind support of Baez simply because they are both Hispanics is indeed rascist. In fact that idiot Rivera as much as said that was his reason to support Baez--common ethnic background.   No argument from this quarter about the moron part, either.  You don't have to be Hispanic to be ignorant.  One has nothing to do with the other.

 ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:13:37 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!

It's because he KNOWS his BS fairy tale won't fly!

No pun intended


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
I can't hear Baez's questions. grrrrr


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:13:44 AM
His easel insults the jury, they all have notebooks.

the kindergartner pad is for baez only...to help him keep up with his crazy rantings so he doesn't get lost listening to himself plus he thinks it makes him look smarter.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:14:18 AM
I wish he would speak near the mic so I can hear his foolishness clearly


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:15:06 AM
His easel insults the jury, they all have notebooks.

the kindergartner pad is for baez only...to help him keep up with his crazy rantings so he doesn't get lost listening to himself plus he thinks it makes him look smarter.

HeHe...bet he has one of those Little Tyke easels at home....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 10:15:07 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage

oh ok... Thanks!...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2011, 10:15:28 AM
Blowflies under the bus

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:15:40 AM
I wish he would speak near the mic so I can hear his foolishness clearly

It is irritating, right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:15:59 AM
Just X out your drawing Baez, fold it up and put it away, already.  None of it makes sense anyway.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:16:33 AM
His easel insults the jury, they all have notebooks.

the kindergartner pad is for baez only...to help him keep up with his crazy rantings so he doesn't get lost listening to himself plus he thinks it makes him look smarter.

HeHe...bet he has one of those Little Tyke easels at home....

Next he might break out the Play-Doh


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:17:02 AM
I wish he would speak near the mic so I can hear his foolishness clearly

It is irritating, right?
Everything about him is annoying at this point  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 10:17:48 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage

oh ok... Thanks!...

But does the jury know this?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: OriginalKat on June 11, 2011, 10:18:37 AM
Baez needs to just sit down because reporters in courtroom are reporting(tweeting) the jury looks bored.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:19:01 AM
His easel insults the jury, they all have notebooks.

the kindergartner pad is for baez only...to help him keep up with his crazy rantings so he doesn't get lost listening to himself plus he thinks it makes him look smarter.

HeHe...bet he has one of those Little Tyke easels at home....

Next he might break out the Play-Doh

I still think the jury must think they are on Candid Camera or at Disney World.  The contrast between the prosecution and the defense is striking.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:19:38 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage

oh ok... Thanks!...

But does the jury know this?
Yes, they know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:19:55 AM
Whenever Bobo says isnt it true, there is usually some sort of Bobo gotcha on the horizon


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
 ::boxingbaez2:: Bumbling Bozo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 10:20:30 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!
Maybe he thinks it is the only way to keep going with the accident ,George,Kronk BS.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:20:46 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage

oh ok... Thanks!...

But does the jury know this?


Yes....It has become a back and forth all week ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:20:49 AM
Baez needs to just sit down because reporters in courtroom are reporting(tweeting) the jury looks bored.
Dr. Haskell is bored with Baez too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:20:53 AM
Whenever Bobo says isnt it true, there is usually some sort of Bobo gotcha on the horizon

Well, he sure hasnt succeeded in getting one yet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:21:33 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!
Maybe he thinks it is the only way to keep going with the accident ,George,Kronk BS.
I agree...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:21:59 AM
WOW......Bozo didnt pay Dr Haskell


WOW WOW WOWIE!!!!!  hahahahaha


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 10:21:59 AM
Baez is such an azzclown.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:22:12 AM
OMG!  Haskell hasn't been paid.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Curly on June 11, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Lol! Dr.Haskell hasn't received payment from Bozo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:22:21 AM
Bobo is so crass


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 10:22:36 AM
What does money have to do with FLIES and DECOMP?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:22:49 AM
BWHA HA HA!!! Way to go DOC! ROFLMAO! Where's my money bozo?!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 10:22:51 AM
Here it comes again--can't attack the testimony so attack the witness himself.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:23:12 AM
WOW......Bozo didnt pay Dr Haskell


WOW WOW WOWIE!!!!!  hahahahaha

LMAO....another question he asked that he wasn't sure what the answer would be lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 10:23:27 AM
passing the hat at the DT table.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:23:37 AM
Baez is such an azzclown.

I hope Jeff asks bozo's witnesses how much they are getting paid.   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:23:42 AM
Pllbbhhhttt mention money being owed and watch bozo run away! That was a fast exit.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: monkalicious on June 11, 2011, 10:23:51 AM
Oh, Snap, Baez, subtle inference that Haskell will sue if he doesn't get paid...("you're a lawyer..."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:24:07 AM
Maybe I should go study bugs......


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:24:57 AM
Lol! Dr.Haskell hasn't received payment from Bozo.

Bozo is attempting to say since he was paid as an expert that his testimony is bias, that he was paid to say what he did.   Its so old school, everyone knows people get paid to testify & yes some experts the fees are staggering as a norm.

Ashton redirect... addressing the laughter over trash versus garbage.  Dr Haskel is testifying to the difference   BAM


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 10:25:09 AM
AMEN DOC! Bring the point home. Bugs don't go to EMPTY BOXES /cans


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 11, 2011, 10:25:15 AM
I'm missing something... what is with the trash vs garbage argument  ::MonkeyEek::
this witness (and all the State's witnesses, I believe) described the bag in the trunk as "trash" since there was no food found.  The defense wants to call it "garbage" because there has to be a food source for these flies.  The source was decomp but the defense is trying to say it was rotting food and there was none there.  So, it's become a back and forth with the State/Defense.  Trash vs. Garbage

oh ok... Thanks!...

But does the jury know this?
haha! they do know/ Ashton is asking about it. Love it


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 10:25:37 AM
OMG!  Haskell hasn't been paid.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: I can't believe he set himself up AGAIN!   He was trying to set up Dr. Haskell about being paid for his testimony and wound up setting himself up!!  OMG...you can't make this kinda stuff up!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:25:38 AM
See Casey....even flys try to raise their kids in the best environment.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:25:50 AM
WOW......Bozo didnt pay Dr Haskell


WOW WOW WOWIE!!!!!  hahahahaha

LMAO....another question he asked that he wasn't sure what the answer would be lol

$$ Show me the money $$


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: monkalicious on June 11, 2011, 10:26:18 AM
Good morning, Monkeys!  Is Ashton taking a swipe at Casey giggling about trash vs garbage?  Nice.   ::boxingcasey2::
(Just leaping in--will catch up later...)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
OMG!  Haskell hasn't been paid.  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: I can't believe he set himself up AGAIN!   He was trying to set up Dr. Haskell about being paid for his testimony and wound up setting himself up!!  OMG...you can't make this kinda stuff up!!!
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: monkalicious on June 11, 2011, 10:27:42 AM
Ooh, Casey, shouldn't have tried to clean up with the paper towel and put in the trash bag...Master Criminal?  I think not!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:27:44 AM
The intelligence level and the class that the prosecution displays is painfully superior to that of the defense....
 ::justice2NJ::and Peaches


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 10:27:56 AM
Remember The puerto rican evidance collector that made a point between trash and garbage. Wonder if the state put a bug in their ear about it .   no pun


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:28:12 AM
Good morning, Monkeys!  Is Ashton taking a swipe at Casey giggling about trash vs garbage?  Nice.   ::boxingcasey2::
(Just leaping in--will catch up later...)

Hi Monkalicious.

I suspect that's what he's doing...swipe at kc and baez.  ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingjeffbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 10:28:13 AM
Quote
I can't believe he set himself up AGAIN!   He was trying to set up Dr. Haskell about being paid for his testimony and wound up setting himself up!!  OMG...you can't make this kinda stuff up!!!

 ::MonkeyJnBox::   ::MonkeyDevil::   ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pinkbanana on June 11, 2011, 10:29:01 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guests

Just getting into the cage.

Another day closer to Justice for Caylee Marie!!  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

  ::boxingcasey2::  ::boxingbaez2::   ::justice2NJ::

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:29:02 AM
How did this 1 dimensional thinking idiot pass the bar????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 10:29:42 AM
So glad Jeff finally got a clear definition of the difference in trash and garbage


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cheeky monkey on June 11, 2011, 10:30:16 AM
oh no the, were you there when Caylee drowned, where you there when she was molested?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:30:27 AM
The intelligence level and the class that the prosecution displays is painfully superior to that of the defense....
 ::justice2NJ::and Peaches


hmmmm.....I need more coffee...still can't type and Bozo still not going to cut his losses with this guy...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:30:45 AM
Baez is so pissed. Hee hee hee.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ah, what a wonderful day for justice!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:30:48 AM
Good morning, Monkeys!  Is Ashton taking a swipe at Casey giggling about trash vs garbage?  Nice.   ::boxingcasey2::
(Just leaping in--will catch up later...)

He's methodically destroying the defense's claims in opening statement.   The fact that Bozo made those ridiculous explanations & accusations during the defense opening will go down in infamy within the legal community.   The defense boxed themselves in & now when they do not have the burden have to attempt to back up their assertions & they will fail on each and every one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:31:04 AM
CJBP looks quite laid back this am.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:31:38 AM
OMG  Ashton is going to pummel Bozo by the time this is over  ::boxingjeffbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 10:31:39 AM
Baez needs to just sit down because reporters in courtroom are reporting(tweeting) the jury looks bored.
Dr. Haskell is bored with Baez too.




You are right. That is how it appears.
Haskell wants you to see it that way. He actually is enjoying this...he is so knowledgeable about this topic and is playing with Baez like a cat plays with a mouse. I love watching Haskell work Baez like a sheep dog. He works Baez out one way, then another direction. It almost needs a music soundtrack. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ladydi on June 11, 2011, 10:32:14 AM
Here is what I was always told, if you cant put it in a garbage disposal... it's trash! (of course, using common sense)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: monkalicious on June 11, 2011, 10:32:26 AM
I like Dr. Haskell...very sure of himself, and I think Baez is too abrasive, he's allienating the witness.  (Again.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:32:37 AM
OMG...so much disorder in the court! Nyuk nyuk nyuk!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
You would think that after 3 yrs. Bozo would know to sit down and sthu. He isn't going to trip these experts up. They know what they are talking about. Bozo doesn't know his azz from a hole in the ground.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 10:32:53 AM
Oh, Snap, Baez, subtle inference that Haskell will sue if he doesn't get paid...("you're a lawyer..."


Because Defense expert witnesses don't get paid now do they? Well it would appear that no one gets paid by Baez, lol.  Wonder how much Baez is going to pay the shrink that he plans to call who will say that all of Casey's actions can be directly related to George and not getting a pony when she was 7.

Not to mention, who knew that baez was working for free. Who got all that Disney $'s and $'s from photo rights.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 10:33:13 AM
Baez will say BUT IT WAS WET

Fly man will say BUT NOT WITH ORGANIC MATERIAL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 10:33:13 AM
OMG.....this is a joke.....the dancing around the courtroom with the damn pictures..... ::MonkeyTongue:: JB just doesn't know when to stop.....STOP FOOL!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 10:33:38 AM
Here is what I was always told, if you cant put it in a garbage disposal... it's trash! (of course, using common sense)




That is a very good and easy way to explain it. Thanks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:34:09 AM
Here is what I was always told, if you cant put it in a garbage disposal... it's trash! (of course, using common sense)

That's perfect...quick... someone put that on bozo's fb page and he'll get it and clear it up for him in minutes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:34:37 AM
What did Jeff just ask when he grabbed the photo of the trash?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:34:43 AM
Here is what I was always told, if you cant put it in a garbage disposal... it's trash! (of course, using common sense)

Excellent explanation!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 10:34:48 AM
Quote
Not to mention, who knew that baez was working for free. Who got all that Disney $'s and $'s from photo rights.

you get what you pay for!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: melisb on June 11, 2011, 10:34:54 AM
Don't worry anyone!!!!  I'm certainly no scholar, I hold no degrees, just regular working class folk and Bozo has so offended me and proven what an azzhat he is that I'm sure it has not been lost on this jury.  As I understand it there are some well educated and regular people on this jury and he just keeps showing how stupid he is.  The most ineffective counsel I have ever seen in my life!!  He and Casey get along so well cause they are both so full of themselves.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: monkalicious on June 11, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
Oh, Snap, Baez, subtle inference that Haskell will sue if he doesn't get paid...("you're a lawyer..."


Because Defense expert witnesses don't get paid now do they? Well it would appear that no one gets paid by Baez, lol.  Wonder how much Baez is going to pay the shrink that he plans to call who will say that all of Casey's actions can be directly related to George and not getting a pony when she was 7.

Not to mention, who knew that baez was working for free. Who got all that Disney $'s and $'s from photo rights.
Baez just can't help himself, can he?  It's almost painful to watch, but fascinating in a car crash on the highway sort of way. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 10:35:20 AM
All defense experts will now demand payment up front.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:35:29 AM
Re Redirect

"Do you see any organic material in these photographs"

Bozo doesnt know when to STFU & gets up for Re recross...@$$HAT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 10:35:48 AM
OMG.....this is a joke.....the dancing around the courtroom with the damn pictures..... ::MonkeyTongue:: JB just doesn't know when to stop.....STOP FOOL!!!!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

And now he's holding it upside down, geez!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:35:49 AM
Thank you Doctor you may be excused.

"You're very welcome." LOL.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:35:51 AM
OMG.....this is a joke.....the dancing around the courtroom with the damn pictures..... ::MonkeyTongue:: JB just doesn't know when to stop.....STOP FOOL!!!!

bozo is too funny.  He may actually get his on Satuday morning cartoon series when this is over!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:35:54 AM
15 min morning recess


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 10:36:12 AM
What did Jeff just ask when he grabbed the photo of the trash?

he asked if the Dr. saw any organic material......answer: NO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 10:36:36 AM
Recess for 25 min


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:36:59 AM
Oh, Snap, Baez, subtle inference that Haskell will sue if he doesn't get paid...("you're a lawyer..."


Because Defense expert witnesses don't get paid now do they? Well it would appear that no one gets paid by Baez, lol.  Wonder how much Baez is going to pay the shrink that he plans to call who will say that all of Casey's actions can be directly related to George and not getting a pony when she was 7.

Not to mention, who knew that baez was working for free. Who got all that Disney $'s and $'s from photo rights.
Baez just can't help himself, can he?  It's almost painful to watch, but fascinating in a car crash on the highway sort of way. 


Exactly Monken....however, I find myself mentally checking out when Colonel Sanders takes over , I hope the jury is not...He irritates me even more than Bozo...I find him harsh, rude and condescending...jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:36:59 AM
Re Redirect

"Do you see any organic material in these photographs"

Bozo doesnt know when to STFU & gets up for Re recross...@$$HAT
Thanks Cappy!  I didn't hear what he said.  Jeff looked pizzed at that moment.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 10:37:01 AM
OMG.....this is a joke.....the dancing around the courtroom with the damn pictures..... ::MonkeyTongue:: JB just doesn't know when to stop.....STOP FOOL!!!!

bozo is too funny.  He may actually get his on Satuday morning cartoon series when this is over!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

self edit.  Get his own on Saturday morning.  sorry..my computer is stupid and can't spell correctly...yeah, that's it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 10:37:03 AM
The inmate isn't laughing now.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:37:17 AM
Casey is laughing while most of her defense team is up at sidebar  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:37:28 AM
What did Jeff just ask when he grabbed the photo of the trash?

he asked if the Dr. saw any organic material......answer: NO
Thanks Sunny!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
The inmate isn't laughing now.   ::MonkeyCool::

Actually, she just was.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monken on June 11, 2011, 10:39:25 AM
I really, really liked Dr. Haskell, he was well worth the money the state paid! he and Dr. G are my favorites! He'll never get his money from Baez, however!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 10:39:43 AM
So, I take it the defense is hard at work prosecuting the state's case again?  lol  Think Baez is planning to bill the state for his services?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
Did they find any DNA in these bugs?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 10:40:06 AM
OMG.....this is a joke.....the dancing around the courtroom with the damn pictures..... ::MonkeyTongue:: JB just doesn't know when to stop.....STOP FOOL!!!!

bozo is too funny.  He may actually get his on Satuday morning cartoon series when this is over!!! ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

self edit.  Get his own on Saturday morning.  sorry..my computer is stupid and can't spell correctly...yeah, that's it.

hahahaha...Don, I have your computer's sister!!

who has the link to WKMG's live feed?  Mark Nejame is commenting this morning on the trial..I can only get it when someone posts the link...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:40:11 AM
How long is recess?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:41:32 AM
Body was probably in the trunk for 3 to 5 days, probably in plastic....another nail  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:42:05 AM
How long is recess?

25 and not sure why that long, there was an immediate sidebar after the jury left


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flutter1 on June 11, 2011, 10:42:50 AM
What did Jeff just ask when he grabbed the photo of the trash?

he asked if the Dr. saw any organic material......answer: NO

I think Jeff had to really control himself to keep from whacking Bozo over the head with the photo.   ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 10:44:56 AM
In essence, Haskell is stating that after just a very few days, someone removed Caylees body from the trunk of Casey's car, then wiped up the remaining decomposition with the paper towels.

This may be the most gruesome idea yet presented in this trial.

How cold does a person have to be to do this? ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:45:54 AM
Bill Schaeffer is reporting on WFTVs livestream http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html that the jurors were looking at Casey during Dr Haskel's testimony.   Kathi Belich also mentioned it was the same reaction from 8-9 jurors when the testimony came in with Casey saying "Maybe, its because Im a spiteful B"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:47:10 AM
In essence, Haskell is stating that after just a very few days, someone removed Caylees body from the trunk of Casey's car, then wiped up the remaining decomposition with the paper towels.

This may be the most gruesome idea yet presented in this trial.

How cold does a person have to be to do this? ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:47:37 AM
Did they find any DNA in these bugs?
I want to know that and did they test them for drugs


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 10:48:25 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:49:54 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol

I did see it Ang... In fact my comment was..."oh,she got a good plastic surgery...hers actually looks good!!!"
Hubs thought she looked good too!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:50:12 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her child  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 10:50:18 AM
Oh, Snap, Baez, subtle inference that Haskell will sue if he doesn't get paid...("you're a lawyer..."


Because Defense expert witnesses don't get paid now do they? Well it would appear that no one gets paid by Baez, lol.  Wonder how much Baez is going to pay the shrink that he plans to call who will say that all of Casey's actions can be directly related to George and not getting a pony when she was 7.

Not to mention, who knew that baez was working for free. Who got all that Disney $'s and $'s from photo rights.
Baez just can't help himself, can he?  It's almost painful to watch, but fascinating in a car crash on the highway sort of way. 


Exactly Monken....however, I find myself mentally checking out when Colonel Sanders takes over , I hope the jury is not...He irritates me even more than Bozo...I find him harsh, rude and condescending...jmo
Me too!  And I *love* the Colonel Sanders reference.   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:50:29 AM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28205737/detail.html

Entomologist: 'Coffin Flies' Found In Casey Anthony Car Trash
Casey Anthony, 25, Charged With 1st-Degree Murder
POSTED: Saturday, June 11, 2011
UPDATED: 10:29 am EDT June 11, 2011


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 10:50:36 AM
In essence, Haskell is stating that after just a very few days, someone removed Caylees body from the trunk of Casey's car, then wiped up the remaining decomposition with the paper towels.

This may be the most gruesome idea yet presented in this trial.

How cold does a person have to be to do this? ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is gruesome and it's also very consistent with the known facts in this case; Casey backing into the garage, asking for a shovel, etc.

Good Morning Monkeys!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 10:51:27 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her child  ::boxingcasey2::
Most excellent!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
How long is recess?

25 and not sure why that long, there was an immediate sidebar after the jury left

Thanks. Wonder what that was about.

Ugh, are my eyes and ears deceiving me or is recess over???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:52:39 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/kbelichwftv (http://twitter.com/#!/kbelichwftv)

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Jury is starting to look bored with defense cross examination
36 minutes ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
He testified that different bugs show up during different stages of decomposition
47 minutes ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Dr. Haskell testified that Caylee's body would have had to have been in the woods since June or early July because of bugs he found
49 minutes ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Five jurors looked at Casey when Dr. Haskell testified about fluids leaking from Caylee's body in the woods
1 hour ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Dr. Haskell said he believes Caylee's body could have been in the trunk of Casey's car for 3 to 5 days
1 hour ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
He testified the flies were feeding on substance on paper towels in the trunk.. Which was identified as decomposition fluid
1 hour ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Dr. Haskell just testified that the adult flies found in her trunk on paper towels are very very common with decomposition
1 hour ago
»

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
The state insect expert Dr. Neal Haskell is now on the stand. He is the one who identified "coffin flies" in Casey's trunk.
1 hour ago

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
George and Cindy Anthony are back in court now!
1 hour ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 10:52:44 AM
They're back!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:52:49 AM
We are back in the court room, CJBP is bringing in the jury


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 10:53:14 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol

I did see it Ang... In fact my comment was..."oh,she got a good plastic surgery...hers actually looks good!!!"
Hubs thought she looked good too!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  I enjoyed hearing her comments !!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:53:32 AM
Kathi and Bill Schaeffer report during the breaks,, they are the best!
http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html (http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html)
The only drawback are the occasional 15 sec commercials


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 10:53:34 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her child  ::boxingcasey2::
Most excellent!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::




WOO HOO!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 10:53:43 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her child  ::boxingcasey2::
I don't think it's gonna take this jury long to come back with a guilty verdict.  My husband hasn't followed this case at all, just listening as he's passing through the room, and he can't believe how long the trial is taking.  He says, "She's guilty" and he knows nothing about this other than the snippets he's heard.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:53:46 AM
State recalls Jennifer Welsh


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 10:53:53 AM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28205737/detail.html

Entomologist: 'Coffin Flies' Found In Casey Anthony Car Trash
Casey Anthony, 25, Charged With 1st-Degree Murder
POSTED: Saturday, June 11, 2011
UPDATED: 10:29 am EDT June 11, 2011
Thanks Tupelo.  ::HelloKitty::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:54:22 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/28205710/detail.html

Insect Expert Testifies On Flies Found In Casey's Trunk

Posted: 8:49 am EDT June 11, 2011
Updated: 10:38 am EDT June 11, 2011


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 10:54:35 AM
In essence, Haskell is stating that after just a very few days, someone removed Caylees body from the trunk of Casey's car, then wiped up the remaining decomposition with the paper towels.

This may be the most gruesome idea yet presented in this trial.

How cold does a person have to be to do this? ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

It's gruesome - it's brutal. The discussion makes me wanna barf.  ... then to see Casey laughing hysterically like she is watching "Last Comic Standing" over the trash v. garbage debate. It's surreal.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 10:54:42 AM
Was that 25 minutes, cause I must've fallen asleep at the keyboard.

This is the CSI photographer lady, right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 10:54:45 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol

Hi Angie....I didn't see it, but that to be the tone of many .......his inexperience


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:55:02 AM
LDB asks Jennifer Welsh how long the CSI's were at the scene

Beginning Dec 11th, they were there 10 DAYS


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 10:55:10 AM
Jennifer Welch up. Crime Scene investigator....... she's testified before.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 10:55:20 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:55:24 AM
Was that 25 minutes, cause I must've fallen asleep at the keyboard.

This is the CSI photographer lady, right?

Yes


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:57:17 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol

Hi Angie....I didn't see it, but that to be the tone of many .......his inexperience
Didn't Mark E. say something like it was unconstitutional what Baez was doing?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:57:28 AM
Seems like LDB is going to explain why plastic boots were not used...not sure


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 10:58:07 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??

Seriously, I've wondered if she watched the trial those 2 days from home. She's been passionate about not missing any of this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 10:58:17 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??
I'm sure she viewed in the same manner as us.  No photos that way.  She won't miss any part of this, no way, no how.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: CJLove23 on June 11, 2011, 10:58:56 AM
Here is what I was always told, if you cant put it in a garbage disposal... it's trash! (of course, using common sense)

That's perfect...quick... someone put that on bozo's fb page and he'll get it and clear it up for him in minutes.

That clown actually has a Facebook page?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol

Hi Angie....I didn't see it, but that to be the tone of many .......his inexperience
Didn't Mark E. say something like it was unconstitutional what Baez was doing?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yea, it was funny!   Im not a regular viewer of Dr. Drew's show but have had it on during the trial, last night's episode was hystereical at times, including them wearing a white LP hat.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 10:59:21 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 10:59:54 AM
O lookie lookie, Casey went from laughter to her "Im not looking, Im pissed & trying to cry" stance.   Someone needs to make a bust and call it "the guilty"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:00:52 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::boxingcasey2:: Now she cant look at the woods? I KNOW the jury is watching her now.. Kathi also said when Lee was testifying the 2nd time and KC said "maybe I am just a spiteful bitch", several people in the jury did the old head snap to look at her


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 11:01:02 AM
Not sure if anyone else watched Joy Bayhar or Dr Drew last night when Marsha Clark was on talking about Baez and how in experienced he is with this whole thing. She was laughin at him. She actually looked very attractive ..way better then she did at Ojs hearing. lol

Hi Angie....I didn't see it, but that to be the tone of many .......his inexperience
Didn't Mark E. say something like it was unconstitutional what Baez was doing?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes he did and Marsha said FOGHORN would have been better off being in charge. Baez first death penalty case and he should of just stuck to his little crap hes done before.   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:01:50 AM
George just came back from evidently leaving the court room.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 11:02:17 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Time to cry and act up....This is getting old.
You think the jurors has kc's number by now?

 ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??

Seriously, I've wondered if she watched the trial those 2 days from home. She's been passionate about not missing any of this.
I think she did, not being there because it was 'sensitive' was all for show


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
This CSI lady seems very nice... and quite pleased with her photographs... hope the DT is nice to her at least!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 11, 2011, 11:02:41 AM
O lookie lookie, Casey went from laughter to her "Im not looking, Im pissed & trying to cry" stance.   Someone needs to make a bust and call it "the guilty"

So pathetic.  I was working in between and looked up and saw her "thinker" pose and about peed my pants laughing. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:02:49 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Time to cry and act up....This is getting old.
You think the jurors has kc's number by now?

 ::boxingcasey2::

Absoflippinlutely


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 11:03:24 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??

Seriously, I've wondered if she watched the trial those 2 days from home. She's been passionate about not missing any of this.

I would bet on it....but I do think it was a good idea for them not to be in the court room....bet Lippman was behind that....CA would probably been made to leave the court if she had stayed.

Oh my gawd...she is back playing the grieving mothah!!! Surely the jury will recognize this play acting!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 11:03:26 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Time to cry and act up....This is getting old.
You think the jurors has kc's number by now?

 ::boxingcasey2::


They would have to by now !


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:03:39 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Time to cry and act up....This is getting old.
You think the jurors has kc's number by now?

 ::boxingcasey2::
Absolutely! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:03:49 AM
George and Cindy are in the courtroom during this ..just saw them...
I see Casey is trying to work herself up again..
bet George will be called soon to verify that he did not drive the car during the time the body was in the car..jmo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: CJLove23 on June 11, 2011, 11:04:20 AM
In essence, Haskell is stating that after just a very few days, someone removed Caylees body from the trunk of Casey's car, then wiped up the remaining decomposition with the paper towels.

This may be the most gruesome idea yet presented in this trial.

How cold does a person have to be to do this? ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::rhino::

It's gruesome - it's brutal. The discussion makes me wanna barf.  ... then to see Casey laughing hysterically like she is watching "Last Comic Standing" over the trash v. garbage debate. It's surreal.

Anyone have photos of the evil one laughing?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 11:04:45 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:05:15 AM
Awwww....little Caylee's pelvic bone, I think.  So sad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 11:05:24 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

She forgot the pepper off her supper tray or else she'd be filling up one kleenex dontcha know.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: CJLove23 on June 11, 2011, 11:05:30 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??

Ugh does she think she's Sharon Rocha or something because Sharon has more class in her pinky finger than CA has in her whole body!!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:05:55 AM
did anyone just see what was on the screen? not sure we were supposed to see that...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."
well stated scatty, well stated


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 11:06:25 AM
O lookie lookie, Casey went from laughter to her "Im not looking, Im pissed & trying to cry" stance.   Someone needs to make a bust and call it "the guilty"

So pathetic.  I was working in between and looked up and saw her "thinker" pose and about peed my pants laughing. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:06:43 AM
Awwww....little Caylee's pelvic bone, I think.  So sad.

were we supposed to see that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
She is up from her stance now, looking angry.  She is looking from LDB to the witness with an angry face.

Goes back down as a picture is published again...all I get from her action is that she "thinks" her not being able to look will make the jury believe that she cannot see Caylee in this way as a victim too....she's sorely mistaken.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
Awwww....little Caylee's pelvic bone, I think.  So sad.

were we supposed to see that?

 ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:08:14 AM
Awwww....little Caylee's pelvic bone, I think.  So sad.

were we supposed to see that?
Photos were released yesterday.  Check out the photo thread.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 11:09:19 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."

Laugh at maggots......Hope they are crawling all over kc in her dreams.
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:10:12 AM
Duct tape shown to jury...asked what it says on the tape   Henkel & identifying information.

Will we get into the rarity of this particular tape soon, I hope so.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Angiex911dsptchr on June 11, 2011, 11:10:59 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."

 ::rhino:: ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:11:39 AM
Awwww....little Caylee's pelvic bone, I think.  So sad.

were we supposed to see that?
Photos were released yesterday.  Check out the photo thread.

yes,..I saw them..I was just surprised that they were shown to us from the courtroom video/pictures a few minutes ago...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 11:11:41 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."

Laugh at maggots......Hope they are crawling all over kc in her dreams.
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::
I hope they serve her rice for dinner....



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 11:12:00 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)
JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
That was a pelvis bone that got on TV, not the skull. FYI ... #caseyanthony
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 11:12:23 AM
Good morning, monkeys!

Have you see this:

http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php



Wow..very well educated, very experienced, seems like a nice person. 

She might be the only person on the defense team with half a brain and compassion for worldwide issues.  Seems like she would be a very interesting person to get to know.

What the heck is she doing defending Casey?   That doiesn't seem like her normal client or interest. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 11:12:36 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her child  ::boxingcasey2::
Most excellent!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::




above glowed by me: Did anyone here get a screenshot of that? I've not been watching 4 a while.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:12:39 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."

Laugh at maggots......Hope they are crawling all over kc in her dreams.
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::
I hope they serve her rice for dinner....



ewwww...never thought of that! lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 11:12:40 AM
Duct tape shown to jury...asked what it says on the tape   Henkel & identifying information.

Will we get into the rarity of this particular tape soon, I hope so.

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
Oh gee.. here we go.. time for Casey to put her head down and put her show on now after laughing her ass off..

Strange that she can laugh at the maggots but can't stand to look at the crime scene. I realize this is not the defense's intention, but it screams of guilt to me--not wanting to see where she dumped Caylee. I think when she dumped her there, she thought it was the final goodbye and she would never  have to think of it again to disrupt her "beautiful life". These pictures of the crime scene are like a smack in the head telling her "REMEMBER WHERE YOU LEFT HER. Remember what you did."

Laugh at maggots......Hope they are crawling all over kc in her dreams.
 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyGavel::
I hope they serve her rice for dinner....



Speaking of food, Im not sure Casey realizes that in State prison she probably isnt going to get the choices she's been accustomed to


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 11:13:23 AM
FYI

June 2, 2009

"German industrial company Henkel Corp. said today it sold its Northeast Ohio-based consumer brands, including Duck Tape, and its Avon facility to Shurtape Technologies LLC of Hickory, N.C."
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her  child  ::boxingcasey2::
Most excellent!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::




so happy that the jury is seeing her for the rat that she is..

above glowed by me: Did anyone here get a screenshot of that? I've not been watching 4 a while.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:14:38 AM
OMG the letters of Caylee's shirt

Case looking but not crying or visibly upset


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:15:03 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her  child  ::boxingcasey2::
Most excellent!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::




so happy that the jury is seeing her for the rat that she is..

above glowed by me: Did anyone here get a screenshot of that? I've not been watching 4 a while.

sorry I got in your quote..
haven't done that for a long time..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 11:15:15 AM
George and Cindy are in the courtroom during this ..just saw them...
I see Casey is trying to work herself up again..
bet George will be called soon to verify that he did not drive the car during the time the body was in the car..jmo

I want to hear George testify under oath that he was not in Casey's vehicle from June 16th until that day one month later when he drove it home from the Johnson's Towing.

Janet

++++

Docs: Death Stench Prompted 'Trunk' Fears; Casey Blamed Dead Squirrel
600 Documents Of Interviews, Text Messages Released In Caylee Case
POSTED: 5:08 pm EDT September 23, 2008
UPDATED: 6:46 pm EDT September 23, 2008


ORLANDO, Fla. -- Nearly three weeks before deputies arrested the mother of missing Caylee Anthony, the 22-year-old admitted to a friend that her car smelled like death, according to new information in nearly 600 pages of released documents concerning the case.

The documents, which included interviews and phone records, showed Casey Anthony was aware of a foul smell in her car.

In a phone call to Amy Huizenga, Casey Anthony told her friend, "It smells like something died in my car."

Casey Anthony claimed her father, George, had possibly run over a squirrel when he borrowed her car that week.

However, the date would have been during a period when the Anthonys said they could not find Casey Anthony.

Also, on June 27, documents show that Casey Anthony sent a cell phone text message to her friend (Amy Huizenga) that reads, "There was definitely part of a dead animal plastered to the frame of my car."

According to Huizenga, June 27 is the date when Casey Anthony admitted leaving her car at an Amscot, claiming it had run out of gas.

The car was later towed to an impound lot, where George and Cindy picked it up two weeks later.

<snipped>

http://www.local6.com/news/17541114/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NickandNora on June 11, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
That made me cry!

And I'm pissed all over again.  ::MonkeyMad::

That poor little baby girl!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:16:13 AM
Awwww....little Caylee's pelvic bone, I think.  So sad.

were we supposed to see that?
Photos were released yesterday.  Check out the photo thread.

Here's the link:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10084.60

Thank you, KCJackie, for the photos in that thread!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 11:16:15 AM
Ms. Welch sounds so sweet.  I hope Bozo isn't mean to her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:16:17 AM
Cross examination by Bozo

This is a moment when he should have said "no questions."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 11:16:33 AM
Kathi Belich said people are tweeting from the courtroom that the jurors are noticing KC smiling and laughing during this testimony of the flies that fed on her  child  ::boxingcasey2::
Most excellent!!!! ::MonkeyGavel::




so happy that the jury is seeing her for the rat that she is..

above glowed by me: Did anyone here get a screenshot of that? I've not been watching 4 a while.

 ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel:: ::MonkeyShovel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:16:42 AM
there goes the thinker again..
give it up Casey..the world and the jury is onto you...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:17:12 AM
OK, its a picture of the street, so why is Casey refusing to look  - too ridiculous  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 11:17:52 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??

Seriously, I've wondered if she watched the trial those 2 days from home. She's been passionate about not missing any of this.

I would bet on it....but I do think it was a good idea for them not to be in the court room....bet Lippman was behind that....CA would probably been made to leave the court if she had stayed.

Oh my gawd...she is back playing the grieving mothah!!! Surely the jury will recognize this play acting!!

I'm sure they watched it on TV.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: 4myjoey on June 11, 2011, 11:18:46 AM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:19:05 AM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??

Seriously, I've wondered if she watched the trial those 2 days from home. She's been passionate about not missing any of this.

I would bet on it....but I do think it was a good idea for them not to be in the court room....bet Lippman was behind that....CA would probably been made to leave the court if she had stayed.

Oh my gawd...she is back playing the grieving mothah!!! Surely the jury will recognize this play acting!!

I'm sure they watched it on TV.

I would bet on it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 11:19:33 AM
What the h3ll?  Why is the clown measuring the courtroom floor?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 11:19:58 AM
Why is it so dang important to the defense as to how far the body was from the street? The body was hidden in the vegetation. Give it a break.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:20:02 AM
Bozo your measurement demo isnt that compelling, dolt  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:20:50 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
Back row of jurors are standing to watch this measurement. #caseyanthony
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:20:59 AM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.

Maybe he's trying to make a point that if it were there that close to the street, someone should have seen it earlier? IDK, but whatever point he's trying to make will be lame.

Bozo is playing tool man with a tape measure.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:21:21 AM
Why is it so dang important to the defense as to how far the body was from the street? The body was hidden in the vegetation. Give it a break.

when I saw the area in March..it was very over grown and it would have been hard to see anything from the edge of the road ....lots of trees and tall grasses etc...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
Back row of jurors are standing to watch this measurement. #caseyanthony
1 minute ago

They'll see why it was so ridiculous later


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:22:55 AM
What the h3ll?  Why is the clown measuring the courtroom floor?

He seems to really like elementary props. I'll bet he was the dork throughout school that couldn't wait for show and tell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:23:05 AM
Why is it so dang important to the defense as to how far the body was from the street? The body was hidden in the vegetation. Give it a break.
I'm not sure what point Baez is trying to make, but for me, it shows even more disregard for Caylee, as Casey literally just tossed her in the woods. She didn't even take the pain of taking her deeper into the woods. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Anna on June 11, 2011, 11:23:07 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 11:23:23 AM
Aha! Defense is going to call Dominic Casey when it's their turn. Stone pavers brought up.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 11:23:35 AM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5193/5820894905_4db8b32901_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
Recess until 11:30

Tech needs to set up equipment


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 11:23:56 AM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.

Maybe he's trying to make a point that if it were there that close to the street, someone should have seen it earlier? IDK, but whatever point he's trying to make will be lame.

Bozo is playing tool man with a tape measure.

The way he seems to overcompensate by bullying you would think he would not want to be around a tape measure....just saying.....

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 11:24:17 AM
What the h3ll?  Why is the clown measuring the courtroom floor?

He seems to really like elementary props. I'll bet he was the dork throughout school that couldn't wait for show and tell.



He just had to get the witness down from the stand, dufus probably couldn't read the tape measure.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 11:24:19 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:24:20 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

not sure about that but it is very distinctive duct tape...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:24:28 AM
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George looks worse today. He is not looking at photos. Jury stood up to see the distance demonstration by defense between remains and road
57 seconds ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
omfg *^%#$@@#$##$@##@ I've said from the day she was found how the 'bugs' will tell the truth and I MISSED ALL of that testimony WAAAAAAAAAAA  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:25:23 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

More to the point this particular Henkel duct tape wasnt made for years & could not be purchased easily.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 11:26:03 AM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He might claim the body really wasn't "hidden." When you factor in the grassy area along side the road, it's possible KC backed her car in and gave the laundry bag with Caylee's remains the old heave ho into the woods.  Based on measurements, the body couldn't have been more than 10' inside the vegetated area. God that girl is friggin lazy...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 11:26:11 AM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He's getting things ready to nail kronk. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:26:28 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver
I think there was decomp fluid on the pavers from purging and she used the shovel to lift it up and dump it also.. the parents are the type to notice anything out of place


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:26:30 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

Hi NM!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hmmmmm, hadn't thought of that!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 11:26:39 AM
Why is it so dang important to the defense as to how far the body was from the street? The body was hidden in the vegetation. Give it a break.


why...cause they are stoopid!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:26:57 AM
omfg *^%#$@@#$##$@##@ I've said from the day she was found how the 'bugs' will tell the truth and I MISSED ALL of that testimony WAAAAAAAAAAA  ::MonkeyMad::
http://www.wftv.com/video/28206071/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 11:27:16 AM
I realize Bozo's trying to prove that the duct tape was just part of the litter in the area and one piece just attached to the skull by chance. But to me, it sounds like there was more duct tape on little Caylee's body that was dispersed to other areas along with the remains (hands? feet?) it was attached to.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 11:27:26 AM
omfg *^%#$@@#$##$@##@ I've said from the day she was found how the 'bugs' will tell the truth and I MISSED ALL of that testimony WAAAAAAAAAAA  ::MonkeyMad::
It will be ok.   :smt056  It was taped.  You can watch it later.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 11:28:08 AM
Recess until 11:30

Tech needs to set up equipment
Wonder if it's a video starring "Dominic Casey?"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 11, 2011, 11:29:01 AM
9pm Saturday June 11, 2011 Court is in session:

Next state witness is Neil Haskell.

Forensic Entomologist, various degrees from Purdue University.  Lots of experience in forensic Entomology.  Qualified as an expert witness in 28 states and Canada, Germany, Spain, Belize.  He is made an expert in forensic entomology.  Entomology is the study of insects.

He was contacted in 2008 in the death of Caylee Marie Anthony, in early Sept, 2008. Michael Vincent sent him insects from the car.  Larvae and pupae.  He received the first two samples in early September. He asked for a possibility for adults of the species. Michael Vincent then looked in the trash bag and sent him adults and the trash bag from the trunk. He sent the adults to someone else in his field to identify.  In his report to them, he stated that they would be regularly found in stages of decomp.  That is from the witnesses own testimony too.  The flies were found in the paper towels from the white plastic bag in the trunk.  All of them found were dead.  He found an abundance of puparia, larvae and adult flies on the paper towels.  The flies were on the towels, attracted to the substance on the towels, he thought that it was decomposition fluid on the paper towels.  The paper towels were analyzed by Dr. Arpad Vass.  He stated that the material was adiopocere.  He knows himself what adiopocere is.  He next he looked at time lines of the paper towels and impact of decomp and temperatures and the age of the insects.  In addition to the tiny flies he found a leg of a fly called blowfly.  A southern species of a blowfly.  These flies are frequently found in decomp, human and otherwise.  If the body of a young child was in that trunk for a long time and then moved to another location?  Absolutely, at the time of death, decomp begins and there is a progression....associated with the different stages of decomp, different insects come into feed.  The blowflies are the first ones in.  They are there immediately, esp if temps are hot.  As the body decomp changes the insects change.  The florid fly comes next and the decomp has progressed.  The decomp usually is seen within just a few days in heat.  They are very tiny.  They then lay eggs.  They can get in to very small openings.  He has recovered them in cracks in concrete.  He found an absence of the early decomp flies and a greater amount of the latter decomp flies.  That tells him that the body had to be deposited very early into the trunk and the first set of flies had left and now the florid flies had colonized the decomp.  Trunks can exclude the blowflies from the most part, especially if the car is well sealed.  The body being wrapped in plastic bags would lessen the amount of blowflies.  If it is totally closed and wrapped it can delay the blowflies to the point the decomp is so late, they no longer want it.  The amount of time the body was in the car, was 3, 4 or 5 days, in his opinion.  The significance of heat in the trunk is important, the flies are cold blooded and the growth development is very fast, to larvae and puparia.  At some point he found out the remains of Caylee had been found.  He came to Florida on Dec 16, 2008.  Between Dec 11 and the day he came he consulted with people on the remains scene.  He went to the remains scene and the impound lot and the ME's office.  He took a large number of specimens from the scene and the ME's office.  Took samples to be examined, he followed chain of custody and then examined the insect samples following protocols under microscopes.  Once they identify the insect they relate it to known growth development.  Life cycle of the insects is temperature dependent.  What he found from the ME's office he found insects from advanced decomp.  He found two species of blowfly puparia and Florid flies and Housefly species.  Then he found a species of the soldier fly, all hatched out.  All were present in advanced decomp events.  He found he went through life cycles of many species but it could of been earlier than those life cycles.  In his opinion the body was placed in the woods after it had been in the trunk.  In his opinion the body was placed by Suburban Dr for many, many months....based on the recovery scene..early June or July.  It was placed there as a decomposing body not skeletal remains. In his opinion it had considerable soft tissue left when it was place in the woods. The body was not in the trunk very long due to temperatures in the trunk, it was then placed in the woods off of Suburban.  Jeff is done.........

Baez is up............

He is pleasing the court.  You were first consulted by Dr. Vass?  Yes, they were talking about another case and he mentioned this case. He and Dr. Vass go back 25 years with the Body Farm.  Dr. Vass is an anthropologist, he was studying with Dr. Bass.  The statements that you made to Dr. Vass that these were coffin flies, that was before you had seen any of the samples?  I don't remember.  Looking at a copy of his report, he received items from the trash, the first two vials received.  They were not from the trunk, they were from the trash bag.  They were the Florid flies, look like fruit flies, gnat size.  Baez says these flies are found anywhere?  Yes the can be found lots of places.  In your report these can be found in garbage?  They were found in a trash bag you changed it...laughter.  These came from a trash bag in the car.  You wanted some adult flies?  Yes.  He checked the trunk and that turned up negative results?  Correct. Then he told you he found some more insect activity in the trash bag from the trunk.  He found and sent more Florid flies from the paper towels in the trunk, there were some adults. DNA can be grabbed from lots of things?  Yes.  You can get DNA from insects?  Yes.  These paper towels were sent for DNA analysis?  I don't know.  I sent them for a bio-chemistry test to Dr. Vass?  Yes.  On the actual paper towels?  Yes, it was adiopocere.  What tests did he run?  I don't know, I trusted him to do the right tests.  You can't tell this jury what was done to these paper towels only what Dr. Vass told you?  Correct.  A blowfly leg was found on the paper towel in the trash bag?  Yes.  They are the early colonists for decomp, they are also found in your house?  Only if there is unprocessed meat.  You can find them on your window  sill?  Not mine.  Other houses can have them?  Yes.  Blowflies lay lots of eggs?  Tens of thousands.  All you could find is part of a leg?  Yes.  You can find parts of blowflies in any garbage?  Yes.  Later he examined filters from vacuum cleaners, there were some Florid flies and other carrion insects.  Baez is showing him a report.  This was sent to you in early 2011?  Yes.  Almost 3 years later you got the vacuuming of the car?  Yes.  You were able to pick out a few more insects?  Yes.  They came from decomposing fluids.  Do you know if they got into the trash or didn't make it into the trash.  It is my opinion they were in the trunk, they didn't get into the trash bag.  This wasn't very many insects?  Correct.  Part of your job is to do a PMI (post mortem interval)  to show how long a person might be deceased, or how long the insects might be attracted to an item.  In July, 2008 you could of had a better PMI if you had access to the trunk.  Lots of questions that I can't understand.  If you got entomological evidence on July 16th, 2008 you could of traced it back?  Depends on what was in the car on July 16th, 2008.  You weren't give items on July 16, 2008, you weren't contacted till Sep 2008. Correct.  In Dec you came down and conducted a investigation of the remains scene?  Yes.  It was the biggest scene you had been in?  Yes, the biggest in 30 years.  What was collected at the remains scene was all that could of been found?  I thought they did an excellent job.  Lots of LE and diff agencies were there?  Yes.  Most of the insects he saw from the scene were at the ME's office.  The witness is looking at his report.  He found specimens of different insects from the scene.  Baez is asking him about his report.  I can't hear him very well, he is away from the mic.  Baez is drawing on his big pad.  You have evidence that the body decomposed earlier in another area?  Yes.  The reason you feel so confident with these findings is because you go to see how thorough the remains scene was collected?  Yes.  Asking him about water, objection...sustained.  Tell us Dr. Haskell does submersion in water wash away certain blowfly evidence, would that change your opinion, objection...Sustained.  Isn't it true sir that eggs or larvae were washed off during the early portion of decomp, that would account for the small amount of insects?  If that is what I said, yes.  Asking him about samples he received.  He was hired in Sep 2008?  That is when I started working on the case, yes.  Then you went to the remains scene and the ME's office?  Yes.  You submitted reports?  Yes.  When did you do the report for Dec 2008?  He signed off on his reports almost a year after Dec 2008?  Yes.  Sir, you have been retained by the states attorney's office?  How much have you been paid.  20-22k, from the state, he still hasn't been sent any payment from Baez.  Baez says the check is in the mail.  By the time you send your final bill you will be in the area of 30 to 40K?  I don't know.  Baez is done...............

Jeff is up and asks Baez to leave his drawings.  Is there a difference between trash and garbage?  Yes, garbage is decomposing material, versus trash that is non-organic.  Is that significant?  Yes.  Insects will not go to non-organic material.  There was no organic material in the trash bag from the trunk.  Only empty food containers that the insects would not want to raise families in.  The majority of the Florids were on that paper toweling, attracted to the adipocere or picked up in the decomp fluids when they were mopped up by the paper towels.  The insects would of gone with the fluids in the paper towels.  Then they went through there life cycles in the paper towels.  There was no plants decomposing in that trash bag.  There was an unusual lack of blowflies in the trunk because the blowflies couldn't get it or it was too decomposed for the mother flies to want to lay eggs there.  A portion of decomp happened in the trunk, then was moved to the remains site.  Jeff is done.

Baez is up..............

Sir, you were present when they collected the trash or garbage?  No.  Your definition of trash or garbage could be different than mine?  Yes.  You were not present when this bag was collected and you don't know if it was soaking wet when it was collected?  There is nothing to suggest that it was.  Baez is showing him a picture.  Photos of two states exhibits.  Judge instructs Baez how to do this.  Shows him the photo of actual items of evidence.  Then asks him if he saw them as they were collected before drying?  He says probably not.  Shows him a picture of the items before they were dried, I can't hear Baez.  Baez asks him if he inspected the trunk for ways for flies to get in?  He said no. Baez is done.

Jeff is up............

Jeff shows him the same photo and asks him if he sees organic items?  He says no. Jeff is done.

Baez is up and asks him if he sees any organic matter in the photo and he says no.

The witness is excused. Taking the morning recess.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2011, 11:29:56 AM
On WFTV..

a 4th piece of duct tape?   ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 11:30:03 AM
I realize Bozo's trying to prove that the duct tape was just part of the litter in the area and one piece just attached to the skull by chance. But to me, it sounds like there was more duct tape on little Caylee's body that was dispersed to other areas along with the remains (hands? feet?) it was attached to.
Since her right foot is missing except one bone, I'd say you may be on to something.  That may be how far some critter carried it before stopping to feed.  (sry, that sounds horrible)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:30:09 AM
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George looks worse today. He is not looking at photos. Jury stood up to see the distance demonstration by defense between remains and road
57 seconds ago

If they watched the forensics from home, I'm sure they are worse.

Nut! Trimm will post links to the videos in the trial videos thread, and you can still watch it!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 11:30:25 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

More to the point this particular Henkel duct tape wasnt made for years & could not be purchased easily.


I do not mean to be graphic, but Baez's BS legalese 101 is exactly the reason why such VIDEOS as yesterday needed to be admitted as evidence and seen by the jury. Baez tries to make the assumption that no duct tape not found near the skull has anything to do with the crime scene.

We know that animals got to Casey. Has anyone seen what animals do to another animal when found on the road or the woods? The ramins are hardly kept in the same area as the initial place of origin.

I


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 11:30:25 AM
What the h3ll?  Why is the clown measuring the courtroom floor?

He seems to really like elementary props. I'll bet he was the dork throughout school that couldn't wait for show and tell.

He just had to get the witness down from the stand, dufus probably couldn't read the tape measure.

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:30:37 AM
Didnt the discovery show that they investigated where the duct tape came from and determined George may have lifted it from his then employer? Apple, meet tree  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 11:30:40 AM
Why is it so dang important to the defense as to how far the body was from the street? The body was hidden in the vegetation. Give it a break.


why...cause they are stoopid!!!

is it because JB says searchers looked there and didn't find anything if the skull was so near to the road... and they should have seen it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 11:31:01 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

not sure about that but it is very distinctive duct tape...
Did anyone notice that the brand of Hinkel tape was manufactured in Hickory NC, same town where Zahra Baker lived and died...small world. I bet Caylee and Zahra are watching right now ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 11:31:10 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

not sure about that but it is very distinctive duct tape...

many brands of duct tape come in different widths, even Henkel.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:31:24 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

Hi NM!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Hmmmmm, hadn't thought of that!


OOOooooooooo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 11:31:53 AM
Why is it so dang important to the defense as to how far the body was from the street? The body was hidden in the vegetation. Give it a break.


why...cause they are stoopid!!!

It's going to bite them in the butt...... hard. ::MonkeyGavel:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 11:32:27 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Wyks on June 11, 2011, 11:32:56 AM
I realize Bozo's trying to prove that the duct tape was just part of the litter in the area and one piece just attached to the skull by chance. But to me, it sounds like there was more duct tape on little Caylee's body that was dispersed to other areas along with the remains (hands? feet?) it was attached to.

I've always wondered if her hands were also duct taped.  Because had she woke up, she could have tried to rip the duct tape off her mouth.   Poor sweet baby.  ::MonkeyTears::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:33:00 AM
Kathi and Bill just showed a video of Ashton arguing to Strickland that a child Caylees age would be capable of removing the duct tape from her mouth .. therefore she would have been restrained.. they said there was another piece of duct tape the state will say restrained her little hands  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
Why is Bozo even bothering with a cross-examination? He's already committed to Caylee being dead, no explanation on where her body went. Even if KC's trunk showed the mere POSSIBILITY of decomp, wouldn't common sense dictate that the odds are it was the deceased child? Give it up clown!

BBM

Exactly Scatty..Baez fighting any of the decomp in the car, the flies, etc makes no sense.  He knows the body was in that trunk..and he has no way to disput that. 

He came up with the dumbest defense yet..he threw too many things in and all those things still go back to his client's involvement.  He should have just said accident..no George, no Lee...no nothing else..accident only.

 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 11:33:36 AM
omfg *^%#$@@#$##$@##@ I've said from the day she was found how the 'bugs' will tell the truth and I MISSED ALL of that testimony WAAAAAAAAAAA  ::MonkeyMad::
http://www.wftv.com/video/28206071/index.html

 ::MonkeyCool::  Thanks-I missed it too.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 11:33:43 AM
Someone really needs to grab that screen shot of Casey doing the belly laugh during the trash v. garbage debate. She was showing her horse teeth, and it was so funny she had to grab her belly.

I never knew talking about maggots, blow flies and your daughter's decomp could be so amusing. I'm glad to hear the jurors had their eyeballs on her. Casey is a sickness. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 11:34:14 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.

If memory serves, the flooding occurred after she dumped Caylee there (God I hate saying it but its the truth)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:34:43 AM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

More to the point this particular Henkel duct tape wasnt made for years & could not be purchased easily.


I do not mean to be graphic, but Baez's BS legalese 101 is exactly the reason why such VIDEOS as yesterday needed to be admitted as evidence and seen by the jury. Baez tries to make the assumption that no duct tape not found near the skull has anything to do with the crime scene.

We know that animals got to Casey. Has anyone seen what animals do to another animal when found on the road or the woods? The ramins are hardly kept in the same area as the initial place of origin.

I

Exactly. I was amazed that so much of her skeleton could be reconstructed from what was found, but Dr. G and others said there were marks in the bones where animals had chewed.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:35:25 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 11, 2011, 11:35:50 AM
9:50am Sat June 11, 2011 Court is in session.

Next states witness is Jennifer Welch.

She has testified in this case previously.  You were at the remains scene on Dec 11, 2008.  How long were LE at the remains scene?  10 days.  She took photos of items as they were collected.  There were 50 or more people at the crime scene.  To document the scene they set up a baseline and search lanes and then a grid.  As items were found then were flagged prior to the collection.  There was a wall of vegetation, hanging vines, trees, Palmetto trunks, there was leaf litter and then roots in the surface then larger roots.  It was difficult to walk on the surface due to large amounts of vegetation, as they cleared it was still difficult.  To assist to clear the area they were provided tools. Linda is showing a photo to the witness.  It shows a machete and a cover for the machete, they are standard issue items from the CSI.  They were owned by the OC Sheriff's Office, she doesn't recall these items already at the scene.  Linda is showing her another photo of large roots on the surface of the scene after some clearing and an evidence flag.  They cleared the west of the baseline they set up and this photo is taken after it was cleared 0-4 inches.  Next photo shows an evidence flag to indicate a bone.  This bone was collected and she made a measurement of how far in the ground this bone was.  Next photo shows the depth this bone was found.  Next photo shows the bone she collected that was partially buried.  In addition to photography she collected and document at the remain scene.  She collected over 390 items of evidence.  It included bottles and trash and pieces of black plastic bags that were scattered throughout the scene.  She collected a piece of duct tape near the area where the skull was collected to the SW.  Showing her an envelope of an item she collected at the remains scene, it is a piece of duct tape collected at the scene.  The witness extracts it from the bag and show it to the jury.  There are markings on the duct tape it says Henkle Consumer Adhesive. Did you also collect on the scene plastic paint strips with words?  Yes I did.  She hands the witness an envelope and the witness opens the envelope.  It is pink wording strips.  Lettering she found at the remains scene.  The witness shows the items to the jury.  She is holding up pink strips of lettering that say "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages". They are dirty, aged and stained.  Linda is done............

Baez is up........

He is showing the witness a photo of the wooded area and the street of Suburban.  He wants to know how far the grass area is?  She doesn't know.  He wants her to guess the distance from the street to the grass?  10ft.  He asked her how far into the woods was the skull found?  She is referring to a report.  According to a report written by a CSI it was 19 feet, 8 inches.  He wants the witness to stand down to show the jury how far that is.  She steps down, he has her hold one end of the measuring tape and he holds another to show 19 feet, 8 inches.  The grass area was 10 feet?  Yes.  So this is how far the skull would be?  Yes but it was hidden by vegetation.  The duct tape that was just introduced into evidence, where was this item found?  To the SW of the skull.  How far away?  She doesn't know.  Was it in Area A?  No.  It wasn't in the area where the bag and the skull was collected?  That is correct.  That is the same kind that was found with the skull?  Yes, it had the same emblem.  He is showing her a photo of stones.  Where they found where the remains were?  One was.  Were they stone pavers?  Yes, they could be consistent with stone pavers.  Baez is done.

The witness is excused. Taking a recess till 11:30am.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:36:43 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.

Great point!! I hope the State points that out!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 11:37:02 AM
Kathi and Bill just showed a video of Ashton arguing to Strickland that a child Caylees age would be capable of removing the duct tape from her mouth .. therefore she would have been restrained.. they said there was another piece of duct tape the state will say restrained her little hands  ::MonkeyShocked::
Oh dear God.  I hadn't even thought of that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:37:19 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.

OK, royally screwed that sentence up....lol    If there was an accidental drowning, with or without negligence, that is NOT the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 11:37:24 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.
That shovel has bothered me since now and it was bozo's cross-exam that made the lightbulb go off!
I didn't think about her using the pavers to weigh the bag(s) down.

Hi CBB! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 11:37:32 AM
KC's really enjoying herself today... better soak it up cuz you won't be enjoying yourself soon as you are on death row!

 ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
Magic? Thank you again for your hard work!!!  ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:38:00 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.

If memory serves, the flooding occurred after she dumped Caylee there (God I hate saying it but its the truth)
I think so too, Capp. Might have been a little water, but not enough to be weighted down.  Unless.......Slore knew it floods every summer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 11:38:15 AM
I've never figured out why dump the body on land in that area . With all the swamps around.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:38:17 AM
I realize Bozo's trying to prove that the duct tape was just part of the litter in the area and one piece just attached to the skull by chance. But to me, it sounds like there was more duct tape on little Caylee's body that was dispersed to other areas along with the remains (hands? feet?) it was attached to.

very good point!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 11:38:42 AM
Magic---Thank you, thank you!!    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 11:38:50 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/5820936355_37de57583b_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:39:28 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein (http://twitter.com/#!/JimLichtenstein)

JimLichtenstein Jim Lichtenstein
Just had a warning to a spectator cuz her eyes were closed. These ppl are tired cuz some have been in line since 10pm. #caseyanthony
3 minutes ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:40:03 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/5820936355_37de57583b_b.jpg)

...am sure she thinks that he is cute...
now that bottom lip of hers is out ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.

Bury, or throw a child in a plastic bag and throw away like garbage? There is no way with any "common sense" that the defense is going to be able to explain an accidental drowning to being thrown in the woods for animals to chew on. Sorry, no one can connect that dot. We heard Dr. G state yesterday that 100% of accidental drownings have a 911 call. Which would mean that many have a death as an outcome. How many of those people are serving prison time? Not like this where a person is facing a 1st degree murder charge.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:41:17 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/5820936355_37de57583b_b.jpg)

...am sure she thinks that he is cute...
now that bottom lip of hers is out ...

Damn, I wont be boinking anything like that ever again...sux to be you Casey  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 11:41:34 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.
That shovel has bothered me since now and it was bozo's cross-exam that made the lightbulb go off!
I didn't think about her using the pavers to weigh the bag(s) down.

Hi CBB! ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas and NM........... OMG! That really does fall into place with the evidence. I'd lay money you guys are right !


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 11:41:46 AM

CFNews13Casey Casey Anthony News13
Murdock used computer program to get a bird's eye view of the scene and make a diagram.
50 seconds ago
Casey Anthony News13
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Ronald Murdock on the stand. Forensics supervisor with OCSO
3 minutes agohttp://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey (http://twitter.com/#!/CFNews13Casey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Anna on June 11, 2011, 11:43:59 AM
Someone really needs to grab that screen shot of Casey doing the belly laugh during the trash v. garbage debate. She was showing her horse teeth, and it was so funny she had to grab her belly.

I never knew talking about maggots, blow flies and your daughter's decomp could be so amusing. I'm glad to hear the jurors had their eyeballs on her. Casey is a sickness. ::MonkeyNoNo::


I have felt nausous the whole time they have discussed flies eating the baby.  For some reason this bothers me more than just about anything so far.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:45:10 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.

Bury, or throw a child in a plastic bag and throw away like garbage? There is no way with any "common sense" that the defense is going to be able to explain an accidental drowning to being thrown in the woods for animals to chew on. Sorry, no one can connect that dot. We heard Dr. G state yesterday that 100% of accidental drownings have a 911 call. Which would mean that many have a death as an outcome. How many of those people are serving prison time? Not like this where a person is facing a 1st degree murder charge.

Red, we all know that no accident occurred, I have always thought that Casey put that T-shirt on Caylee on purpose with her raging spite.  My point is had it been an accident, a 911 would have been called as Dr G testified to & no the body wouldnt have been dumped but moreover that T-shirt would not have been put on a child that died of an "accident" of any kind....it was cold blooded murder.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: IBE on June 11, 2011, 11:47:04 AM
Yes she is interested.

Help, I have always watched this through HLN or WFTV's site. on WFTV;s site I am getting commercials right in middle of the testimony today has never happened before. . Help TIAte

Is there a site that has it all... including the evidence being shown?

Try here

http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.
That shovel has bothered me since now and it was bozo's cross-exam that made the lightbulb go off!
I didn't think about her using the pavers to weigh the bag(s) down.

Hi CBB! ::MonkeyWink::

Klaas and NM........... OMG! That really does fall into place with the evidence. I'd lay money you guys are right !

You most likely are correct in the shovel premise.

When I was down there in Orlando searching in 2008 you can imagine the surprise I had when we located a shovel in our search. Although, it was not evidence in the case, I can say that there was garbage in the woods, but one could determine what was scattered trash and what would be that significant to a crime scene.

example below:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/02/search-continues-for-missing-caylee-anthony-texas-equusearch-searches-parks-woods-near-airport-exclusive-pics/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 11:49:29 AM
Yes she is interested.

Help, I have always watched this through HLN or WFTV's site. on WFTV;s site I am getting commercials right in middle of the testimony today has never happened before. . Help TIAte

Is there a site that has it all... including the evidence being shown?


I use this one IBE...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 11:49:38 AM
I've never figured out why dump the body on land in that area . With all the swamps around.

My take, is that didn't want to encounter snakes(which I was told there's a lot of them there) and maybe alligators?

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.

I don't think Caylee was wearing the pink t-shirt when she died, or was "dressed" in it after death. I think KC's visit to RM's apartment was to gather that shirt and it was placed in the reamins area to throw LE off, if the body was found, or maybe KC was trying to implicate Ricardo in the disappearance and death of Caylee...

Bury, or throw a child in a plastic bag and throw away like garbage? There is no way with any "common sense" that the defense is going to be able to explain an accidental drowning to being thrown in the woods for animals to chew on. Sorry, no one can connect that dot. We heard Dr. G state yesterday that 100% of accidental drownings have a 911 call. Which would mean that many have a death as an outcome. How many of those people are serving prison time? Not like this where a person is facing a 1st degree murder charge.

Red, we all know that no accident occurred, I have always thought that Casey put that T-shirt on Caylee on purpose with her raging spite.  My point is had it been an accident, a 911 would have been called as Dr G testified to & no the body wouldnt have been dumped but moreover that T-shirt would not have been put on a child that died of an "accident" of any kind....it was cold blooded murder.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
Yes she is interested.

Help, I have always watched this through HLN or WFTV's site. on WFTV;s site I am getting commercials right in middle of the testimony today has never happened before. . Help TIAte

Is there a site that has it all... including the evidence being shown?
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx

http://www.youtube.com/user/weshtv#p/l/zo1EJl8GZ_c


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Anna on June 11, 2011, 11:50:22 AM
Baez is going to sound totally bonkers trying to say Kronk was involvved.  If he has any credibility left, that should extinguish it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 11:51:03 AM
The just presented into evidence what was left of little Caylee's pink T- shirt, "Big Trouble comes in small packages"

What is the defenses premise, Caylee drown? Was that in the AM ... would Caylee have been weraing such a shirt or PJ's? What time of day is the defenses BS theory of the drowning?

If there was an accidental with or without negligence drowning occurred, that is not the T-shirt you would "bury" a child in.

I don't think Caylee was wearing the pink t-shirt when she died, or was "dressed" in it after death. I think KC's visit to RM's apartment was to gather that shirt and it was placed in the reamins area to throw LE off, if the body was found, or maybe KC was trying to implicate Ricardo in the disappearance and death of Caylee...
Bury, or throw a child in a plastic bag and throw away like garbage? There is no way with any "common sense" that the defense is going to be able to explain an accidental drowning to being thrown in the woods for animals to chew on. Sorry, no one can connect that dot. We heard Dr. G state yesterday that 100% of accidental drownings have a 911 call. Which would mean that many have a death as an outcome. How many of those people are serving prison time? Not like this where a person is facing a 1st degree murder charge.

Red, we all know that no accident occurred, I have always thought that Casey put that T-shirt on Caylee on purpose with her raging spite.  My point is had it been an accident, a 911 would have been called as Dr G testified to & no the body wouldnt have been dumped but moreover that T-shirt would not have been put on a child that died of an "accident" of any kind....it was cold blooded murder.

Ooops!

I don't think Caylee was wearing the pink t-shirt when she died, or was "dressed" in it after death. I think KC's visit to RM's apartment was to gather that shirt and it was placed in the reamins area to throw LE off, if the body was found, or maybe KC was trying to implicate Ricardo in the disappearance and death of Caylee...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 11:51:25 AM
Yes she is interested.

Help, I have always watched this through HLN or WFTV's site. on WFTV;s site I am getting commercials right in middle of the testimony today has never happened before. . Help TIAte

Is there a site that has it all... including the evidence being shown?
Hi IBE
no commercials
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 11:51:26 AM

[/quote] ::snipping2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?
[/quote] ::snipping2::



Checking their products line, standard, specialty and others I didn't see anything other than standard width of 1.99"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:51:28 AM
I keep getting kicked out of here today! anyone else??



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 11:52:24 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/kbelichwftv (http://twitter.com/#!/kbelichwftv)

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
George looks worse today. He is not looking at photos. Jury stood up to see the distance demonstration by defense between remains and road
57 seconds ago

If they watched the forensics from home, I'm sure they are worse.

Nut! Trimm will post links to the videos in the trial videos thread, and you can still watch it!   ::MonkeyWink::

Oh phew...TY Kittymom and CBB


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Buckeye on June 11, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
It would be interesting to know if there was material or pavers back by the picnic table/playhouse, where the dogs hit.  Casey could have shoveled something into the bag then laid the shovel on the grass to close the bag.  A little decomp left on the grass from the shovel. ????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 11:52:53 AM

[/quote]

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?
[/quote] ::snipping2::

error: Make that width 1.88"    Sorry


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 11:53:05 AM
uh oh...do you think they're going to mention the duct tape matching the one found in the anthony home?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 11:53:17 AM
Cookie - I'm fine


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 11:53:36 AM
I think the t-shirt was on Caylee when she was left in the woods simply because there was so little of it left.  Decomp and animal activity caused the material to disintegrate.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:54:07 AM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
Red, I remember when your group found that shovel.

Klaas, was the area that Caylee was thrown under water in June 08? I thought maybe there was decomp on the paver and that is why the Dogs hit on the playhouse/yard


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 11:55:17 AM
Cookie - I'm fine

thanks..must be my area then...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 11:56:07 AM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcanthonyshed.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:57:01 AM
George is chewing his gum like crazy. Someone else was ejected from the courtroom for doing the same thing.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 11:57:15 AM
I see they are back to chewing gum.  They sure must feel entitled.  Rules never apply to them.  I do NOT feel sorry for C & G.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 11:57:52 AM
Someone really needs to grab that screen shot of Casey doing the belly laugh during the trash v. garbage debate. She was showing her horse teeth, and it was so funny she had to grab her belly.

I never knew talking about maggots, blow flies and your daughter's decomp could be so amusing. I'm glad to hear the jurors had their eyeballs on her. Casey is a sickness. ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l600/blondeonahd1/Casey%20anthony%20trial%20pictures/fruteflys.jpg)
Blonde


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 11:58:01 AM
I've never figured out why dump the body on land in that area . With all the swamps around.

My take, is that didn't want to encounter snakes(which I was told there's a lot of them there) and maybe alligators?

 ::MonkeyShocked::
The alligators was my point,just didn't want to say it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 11:58:05 AM
It would be interesting to know if there was material or pavers back by the picnic table/playhouse, where the dogs hit.  Casey could have shoveled something into the bag then laid the shovel on the grass to close the bag.  A little decomp left on the grass from the shovel. ????
I agree


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 11:58:24 AM
George is chewing his gum like crazy. Someone else was ejected from the courtroom for doing the same thing.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


I was just gonna say that. Yes, he is.... and Cindy was gnawing on a big old wad a couple of days ago. Rules? They apply to Anthony's? PFFFFT ::piggy::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 11:59:09 AM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi tupelo,
IIRC g&C did replace pavers in their yard after Caylee was last seen. and dom casey is rumored to have been looking for pavers or found pavers.
I am getting convinced that g&c had idea what happened to Caylee and did not help slore cover up.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:59:29 AM
Page of heart stickers just came up


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:59:35 AM
Stickers entered into evidence.  I guess they are going to go there....with the duct tape residue in a heart shape.  WOW


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 11:59:38 AM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcheartstickers.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
Yes she is interested.

Help, I have always watched this through HLN or WFTV's site. on WFTV;s site I am getting commercials right in middle of the testimony today has never happened before. . Help TIAte

Is there a site that has it all... including the evidence being shown?


I use this one IBE...

OMG...doorbell rang and I didnt put the link...duh...looks like you already have it...sorry!
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:00:01 PM
Red, I remember when your group found that shovel.

Klaas, was the area that Caylee was thrown under water in June 08? I thought maybe there was decomp on the paver and that is why the Dogs hit on the playhouse/yard

Not sure if it was under water in June but Casey was very familiar with that particular area and would know if it wasn't flooded it likely soon would be. 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/5788259010_9fbe79bfb5_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 12:00:04 PM
The stickers are coming into evidence ... the State is doing a tremendous job of connecting the dots.

Nice, heart shaped stickers a real problem for defense. Side bar ... defense does not want this evidence in with good reason. Perry will deny them,


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:00:26 PM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Didnt they do 'yard work' ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 12:00:31 PM
wow! heart stickers...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:01:28 PM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3551/5821563452_6da398d071_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 12:01:50 PM
George is chewing his gum like crazy. Someone else was ejected from the courtroom for doing the same thing.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

...remember they are 'special' and get special treatment ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
Red, I remember when your group found that shovel.

Klaas, was the area that Caylee was thrown under water in June 08? I thought maybe there was decomp on the paver and that is why the Dogs hit on the playhouse/yard

Not sure if it was under water in June but Casey was very familiar with that particular area and would know if it wasn't flooded it likely soon would be. 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/5788259010_9fbe79bfb5_o.jpg)

When I was there in early  September 2008 it was all under water. We could not search a field w/o there being standing water.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:02:35 PM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Didnt they do 'yard work' ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yes, but if I remember correctly, they did it in July, when Cindy was on vacation?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:02:37 PM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Didnt they do 'yard work' ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There were pavers used as the flooring to Caylees playhouse.  This is where I think the paver came from.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:02:54 PM
The stickers are coming into evidence ... the State is doing a tremendous job of connecting the dots.

Nice, heart shaped stickers a real probelem for defense. Side bar ... defense does not want this evidence in with good reason. Perry will deny them,

Yea, no guy would put that on a dead child nor even think to go into his daughter's bedroom to retrieve one.   ONE person could have put that sticker on Caylee, Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:03:18 PM
Red, I remember when your group found that shovel.

Klaas, was the area that Caylee was thrown under water in June 08? I thought maybe there was decomp on the paver and that is why the Dogs hit on the playhouse/yard

Not sure if it was under water in June but Casey was very familiar with that particular area and would know if it wasn't flooded it likely soon would be. 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3579/5788259010_9fbe79bfb5_o.jpg)

When I was there in early  September 2008 it was all under water. We could not search a field w/o there being standing water.
That was because of TS Faye.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:04:33 PM
We didn't get the heavy rains from TS Fay until August.. During the rainy season, alot of the woods down here develop pooling of water in spots. Lots of snakes, raccoons, possums and foxes.. it is not swampy, just wet areas in the woods because of the building around it has changed the way the land drains


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 12:05:06 PM
Bozo your measurement demo isnt that compelling, dolt  ::boxingbaez2::

IDK..I think he tried doing that same thing in opening statements..to prove that any passerby should have been able to see Caylee from the street.

Wrong again Baez.  He conveniently forgets the hurricane, the movement of the body in the flooded swamp, the silt and sand that would have sifted over the body to somewhat bury it and the critters in the woods..as well as the bugman and plant man which both said the body was there from Middle June to July onwards until found.  Bugs and plants have no dog in this fight..so why disagree with them...their just stating fact..not fiction.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:05:29 PM
George is chewing his gum like crazy. Someone else was ejected from the courtroom for doing the same thing.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

...remember they are 'special' and get special treatment ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::
so true!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 12:05:35 PM
Baez is going to sound totally bonkers trying to say Kronk was involvved.  If he has any credibility left, that should extinguish it.

Hi Anna!  Can hardly wait to see him make an even bigger idiot of himself.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 12:07:20 PM
thanks FLAMOM!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 12:07:48 PM
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l600/blondeonahd1/Casey%20anthony%20trial%20pictures/gcday.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Didnt they do 'yard work' ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There were pavers used as the flooring to Caylees playhouse.  This is where I think the paver came from.
me too.. they also spread lime


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:07:58 PM
The stickers are coming into evidence ... the State is doing a tremendous job of connecting the dots.

Nice, heart shaped stickers a real probelem for defense. Side bar ... defense does not want this evidence in with good reason. Perry will deny them,

Yea, no guy would put that on a dead child nor even think to go into his daughter's bedroom to retrieve one.   ONE person could have put that sticker on Caylee, Casey.

Absolutely! The heart came from a female mindset.

Thanks for the pictures, Klaas and Jackie!   ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Jesse on June 11, 2011, 12:08:13 PM
what is she so intently reading nosy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Babybear on June 11, 2011, 12:08:14 PM
I see they are back to chewing gum.  They sure must feel entitled.  Rules never apply to them.  I do NOT feel sorry for C & G.


Neither do I.  In fact, quite the opposite. They did everything they could think of to hinder and tamper with this investigation, and purposely  accused people they knew to be innocent.  They had complete disregard for decency and morality in their zeal to help their slut daughter get away with murder. How they could have so little respect for the life of their granddaughter is beyond my comprehension.  I hold them in complete and utter contempt, as I wish Judge Perry would do.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 12:09:39 PM

2nd shed pic - showing gas cans upper left corner


(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcbigshedgas.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:10:08 PM
Heart stickers are coming in...objection overruled


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
Thought about the sticker.
Wasn't Caylee the LOVE of Cindy/George life?
Bet thats y kc put it there.Your love is gone from cindy/george life now. like haha

??????
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:11:20 PM
Some one please tell me wtf is with the gas cans??? The investigators said the gas gauge was not broken.. too stupid or broke to get gas?.. was she going to burn the body?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:12:09 PM
Two Pictures of Casey's bedroom is being entered into evidence

Defense asks for a moment...clearly wants to object again but he will fail IMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
Red, I remember when your group found that shovel.

Klaas, was the area that Caylee was thrown under water in June 08? I thought maybe there was decomp on the paver and that is why the Dogs hit on the playhouse/yard

Not sure if it was under water in June but Casey was very familiar with that particular area and would know if it wasn't flooded it likely soon would be. 


When I was there in early  September 2008 it was all under water. We could not search a field w/o there being standing water.

I remember your reports of that, Red. Also, if I recall correctly, Tim said that's the reason the crime scene location was not searched....... it was underwater and he feared accidently destroying evidence.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:13:18 PM
Bozo you idiot it doesnt matter that your client was in jail, it matters who could have put that on a murdered child  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 12:13:21 PM
Two Pictures of Casey's bedroom is being entered into evidence

Defense asks for a moment...clearly wants to object again but he will fail IMHO


This could have been over last week if it wasn't for bozo's sidebars and spankings by Perry.  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:14:25 PM
Pictures of Caylee's room are being entered into evidence


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:14:50 PM
Two Pictures of Casey's bedroom is being entered into evidence

Defense asks for a moment...clearly wants to object again but he will fail IMHO


This could have been over last week if it wasn't for bozo's sidebars and spankings by Perry.  ::boxingbaez2::

So true lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
The flooding was so severe from Fay streets were flooded for days.. I had water up to my house. We had an 8 foot gator walking up my street


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Babybear on June 11, 2011, 12:14:58 PM
For the first few days of the trial, Casey had paper cups into which to pour her water from the bottle.  Such a delicate and refined creature.  :pukel:  Now she just takes swigs out of the bottle like everyone else.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:15:38 PM
Caylee's bedroom as depicted on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2561/5821042021_6807d2099b_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 12:15:54 PM
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l600/blondeonahd1/Casey%20anthony%20trial%20pictures/gcday.jpg)

blonde do your remember who was on the stand or what was being discussed when you got this?.....george really look mad


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:16:00 PM
Red, I remember when your group found that shovel.

Klaas, was the area that Caylee was thrown under water in June 08? I thought maybe there was decomp on the paver and that is why the Dogs hit on the playhouse/yard

Not sure if it was under water in June but Casey was very familiar with that particular area and would know if it wasn't flooded it likely soon would be. 


When I was there in early  September 2008 it was all under water. We could not search a field w/o there being standing water.

I remember your reports of that, Red. Also, if I recall correctly, Tim said that's the reason the crime scene location was not searched....... it was underwater and he feared accidently destroying evidence.

Yup, Tropical Storm Fay hit Florida Aug 18-19 and made landfall there several times, four if I recall which was significant.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:16:41 PM
Two Pictures of Casey's bedroom is being entered into evidence

Defense asks for a moment...clearly wants to object again but he will fail IMHO


This could have been over last week if it wasn't for bozo's sidebars and spankings by Perry.  ::boxingbaez2::

SO TRUE!! I've noticed when I've had to catch up by watching the videos, that advancing through the sidebars cuts the time in half! They're all caused by Bozo, too! It's like he's doing his student training in the courtroom!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:16:46 PM
Caylee's bedroom as depicted on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2561/5821042021_6807d2099b_b.jpg)

NO crying from Casey viewing their bedrooms.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:17:20 PM
Wasn't the bedding different, different Winnie the Pooh pattern, than blanket found at scene.  Thank goodness for that photo of Caylee as an infant on the same pattern.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
Thought about the sticker.
Wasn't Caylee the LOVE of Cindy/George life?
Bet thats y kc put it there.Your love is gone from cindy/george life now. like haha

??????
 ::MonkeyMad::
4got to say.
Remember kc saying she's a spiteful bitch???


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: sunshine12 on June 11, 2011, 12:18:02 PM
i hope casey enjoyed seeing pictures of her old bedroom that she will NEVER see again because she will be in a prison cell for the rest of her life


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:18:21 PM
George and Cindy looking on, George looks vacant & Cindy is wearing a sweater or something over her & has her head down.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 12:18:37 PM
Baez is going to sound totally bonkers trying to say Kronk was involvved.  If he has any credibility left, that should extinguish it.

LOL - he did away with all credibility when he started lying for his client in my eyes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
Pooh bedding from Caylee's room on 12/11/2008

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3431/5821614720_b197b5928b_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:18:54 PM
Thought about the sticker.
Wasn't Caylee the LOVE of Cindy/George life?
Bet thats y kc put it there.Your love is gone from cindy/george life now. like haha

??????
 ::MonkeyMad::
4got to say.
Remember kc saying she's a spiteful bitch???

Same as the T-shirt on Caylee, for the same reason IMHO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 12:19:06 PM
Two Pictures of Casey's bedroom is being entered into evidence

Defense asks for a moment...clearly wants to object again but he will fail IMHO


This could have been over last week if it wasn't for bozo's sidebars and spankings by Perry.  ::boxingbaez2::

SO TRUE!! I've noticed when I've had to catch up by watching the videos, that advancing through the sidebars cuts the time in half! They're all caused by Bozo, too! It's like he's doing his student training in the courtroom!

The good news is that it is highly unlikely we will ever see him try a case on TV again.  I'll be surprised if he doesn't get disbarred when this is over.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 12:19:40 PM
Heart stickers are coming in...objection overruled

YES!!

I believe when all the items ... Winnie the Pooh blanket ... toy horse ... duct tape ... heart sticker ... all which came from the Anthony home which were disposed along with Caylee's remains in a location so close to home imply the finger point directly at Casey.

Janet

+++++

The Heart Sticker

December 30, 2010 12:24
Casey Anthony Wants Heart Sticker, Other Evidence Tossed


<snipped>

ORLANDO, Fla. (CBS/AP) Casey Anthony's attorneys filed a motion Tuesday to have what they call "phantom evidence" of heart-shaped residue found on the duct-tape wrapped around the skull of her daughter Caylee excluded, saying there is no tangible proof that any such residue was ever found, according to reports.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20026835-504083.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 12:19:54 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcgarage.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:20:03 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:21:16 PM
Items on top shelf of Anthony garage on 12/11/008 - they are going to show the same plastic bags as Caylee was found

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/5821628764_9c9f151090_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:23:47 PM
I just have to say, that the State is wonderfully methodical and doing a great job.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:24:12 PM
Whitney laundry back like the one Caylee was found in

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/5821627364_8be2d19969_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 11, 2011, 12:24:12 PM

Henkel ... from Ohio. Where the Scamthony's come from. Just one more nail. ::boxingcasey2::

Isn't it also wider than generic duct tape?

More to the point this particular Henkel duct tape wasnt made for years & could not be purchased easily.

Oh wow.  Got here late, missed all of this.

Another turn of the screw.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:25:27 PM
Whitney laundry back like the one Caylee was found in

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/5821627364_8be2d19969_b.jpg)

She is screwed, blued and tattooed despite the defense attempting to implicate George.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 12:25:37 PM
Heart stickers are coming in...objection overruled

YES!!

I believe when all the items ... Winnie the Pooh blanket ... toy horse ... duct tape ... heart sticker  ... all which came from the Anthony home which were disposed along with Caylee's remains in a location so close to home imply the finger point directly at Casey.

Janet

+++++

The Heart Sticker

December 30, 2010 12:24
Casey Anthony Wants Heart Sticker, Other Evidence Tossed


<snipped>

ORLANDO, Fla. (CBS/AP) Casey Anthony's attorneys filed a motion Tuesday to have what they call "phantom evidence" of heart-shaped residue found on the duct-tape wrapped around the skull of her daughter Caylee excluded, saying there is no tangible proof that any such residue was ever found, according to reports.

<snipped>

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20026835-504083.html



... and plastic bags.

What about the laundry bag.  Was it determined to come from the Anthony's home?

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:25:55 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/kbelichwftv (http://twitter.com/#!/kbelichwftv)

KBelichWFTV Kathi Belich, WFTV
Forensic supervisor Ronald Murdock is testifying about finding a laundry bag in Anthonys' garage matching one found at scene with remains
1 minute ago


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
Uh oh, techinical difficulties on my station - looks frozen


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:26:14 PM
Whitney laundry back like the one Caylee was found in

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/5821627364_8be2d19969_b.jpg)

BAM!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:26:22 PM
Janet, yes


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:27:02 PM
The drywall??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 12:27:41 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:28:39 PM
Whitney laundry back like the one Caylee was found in

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2152/5821627364_8be2d19969_b.jpg)

She is screwed, blued and tattooed despite the defense attempting to implicate George.

Prosecution:   WINNING!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:28:56 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

It could have been Casey as well


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 12:29:01 PM
Thought about the sticker.
Wasn't Caylee the LOVE of Cindy/George life?
Bet thats y kc put it there.Your love is gone from cindy/george life now. like haha

??????
 ::MonkeyMad::
4got to say.
Remember kc saying she's a spiteful bitch???

Same as the T-shirt on Caylee, for the same reason IMHO

In my view, she is sadistic as well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Janet, yes

Thanks Capp

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 12:29:25 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:30:05 PM
Baez, you are always a day late and a dollar short.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:30:33 PM
Notably, Casey is not crying or getting upset...in fact she looks angry but just smirked & raised her eyebrows at something one of her attorneys said  ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:30:49 PM
I just noticed the pictures of the skeletons in our records here - someone mentioned them on the chat link at facebook/wesh.  How heartbreaking.  :( :( :(


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:30:53 PM
The Anthony's are a tad OCD ish


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 12:31:10 PM
I just have to say, that the State is wonderfully methodical and doing a great job.

It's just been remarkable--they are doing God's work.  I have such respect for them.  All heroes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:31:17 PM
This does not make any sense having garbage bags tucked in different items all over the garage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Love2Read on June 11, 2011, 12:31:51 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  


I heard that and am thinking WTH!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:32:10 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  

I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 12:32:49 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

It could have been Casey as well

IIRC There were a few Whitney canvas laundry bags at the A's home. One of them contained pool toys and was kept in one of the sheds...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 12:32:56 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

BINGO!!

Could it be that Cindy also bought another Winnie the Pooh blanket for the same reason?

Janet

++++++

Cindy Anthony Talks To Investigators About Zanny, Caylee In Newly Released Interview
POSTED: 4:35 pm EDT September 26, 2008
UPDATED: 6:04 pm EDT September 26, 2008


<snipped>

But detective Yuri Melich confronted Cindy about withholding evidence that could lead to Caylee.

"I asked you for your credit card records. I still don't have it," Melich said.

"I gave you receipts," Cindy replied.

"You can't hold it back," Melich said.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 12:33:17 PM
Ugh Bozo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 12:33:34 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  

What did I miss?  Had to take the dogs out.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:33:58 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

It could have been Casey as well

Maybe Cindy orignally had 2; one for whites and one for colored clothing?   :smt102


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:34:04 PM
The question should be....to what bone was the duct tape closest to.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:34:34 PM
My split screen isn't working. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 12:34:38 PM
May I ask how many here store there trash bags in a suitcase, a cooler and a dog crate? I do a lot of stupid things to store stuff but never trash bags. I usually keep mine in a central location to the trash cans.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:35:03 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

It could have been Casey as well

Maybe Cindy orignally had 2; one for whites and one for colored clothing?   :smt102
But why is it stored on the top shelf in the garage?  Doesn't sound as if it was used regularly to me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:35:11 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

It could have been Casey as well

IIRC There were a few Whitney canvas laundry bags at the A's home. One of them contained pool toys and was kept in one of the sheds...

We know Casey went into the sheds, including breaking a lock


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 12:35:21 PM
I just have to say, that the State is wonderfully methodical and doing a great job.

ITA ::rhino::

With such an overwhelming amount of evidence, witnesses and experts..it has been laid out in such a clear, concise, easy to follow manner..that makes perfect sense...

Linda has done an excellent job in weaving this information together.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 11, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
Why don't they show the actual evidence instead of photos?

I understand the chain of custody is needed to establish the collection of an item to it's testing to entering it into evidence, however, by not showing the actual item up close and in person- it looses it's effectiveness.

If Casey had to see an actual cast of Caylee's skull, the actual duct tape, the laundry basket, Caylee's doll- even in clear plastic- wouldn't you think her response would be much different than it is sitting there looking at annonymous brown packages?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:35:51 PM
OMG - you wouldn't use duct tape around wiring!  Baez is such an idiot. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 12:36:15 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  

I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.

I do the same thing when I travel too. I also keep garbage bags in my cooler and beach bag. I'm a little anal about littering...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:36:44 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  

I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.

For whatever it's worth, I line coolers with a clean garbage bag before putting ice in. Makes keeping them clean easier.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:37:10 PM
OMG - you wouldn't use duct tape around wiring!  Baez is such an idiot. 

@$$HAT, what's he gonna do say he found duct tape in a place they missed -- other than that STFU and sit down


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:37:43 PM
That is because the roll of duct tape that was used on the gas can and Caylee was taken by Casey.  That is why the roll is not found in the house.  The roll was probably kept in the SHED.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:37:52 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:38:00 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  

I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.

For whatever it's worth, I line coolers with a clean garbage bag before putting ice in. Makes keeping them clean easier.

That too


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 11, 2011, 12:38:02 PM
May I ask how many here store there trash bags in a suitcase, a cooler and a dog crate? I do a lot of stupid things to store stuff but never trash bags. I usually keep mine in a central location to the trash cans.
I store things in suitcases in my attic.
Seems Cindy kept multiples of items and placing them inside of other items leaves things looking tidy.  Tidy is Cindy for sure. (At least tidy with items--her daughter, not so much.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
OMG - you wouldn't use duct tape around wiring!  Baez is such an idiot. 

I know! LOL!

Besides, the electric tape industry would be highly offended!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:38:48 PM
The State will show where that duct tape went.....command centers for hanging up posters.  Sit down Baez.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:40:10 PM
I remember Cindy saying LE left her house a mess after the search on 12/11.  I guess so. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:40:15 PM
What the lock your client busted open Bozo?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:40:20 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/5821113399_a60e139bc8_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 12:41:26 PM
This does not make any sense having garbage bags tucked in different items all over the garage.
I'm trying to figure that out as well.  Very odd.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:41:49 PM
Someone.. why did she need the gas cans.. the gause was determined by investigators to be working properly... was she broke, lazy or planning to burn the body?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:42:00 PM
Bozo with that dang gas can again....give it up Bozo  ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
Baez sat down and this witness is excused.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:42:37 PM
Someone.. why did she need the gas cans.. the gause was determined by investigators to be working properly... was she broke, lazy or planning to burn the body?

I always wondered if she maybe thought she could burn the body, then realized she couldn't.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 12:42:59 PM
My split screen isn't working. 
DITTO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:43:07 PM
Didn't we see photos of duct tape on hinges or hooks from the shed?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: sharon on June 11, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
I think the t-shirt was on Caylee when she was left in the woods simply because there was so little of it left.  Decomp and animal activity caused the material to disintegrate.

Didn't Casey once say 'they haven't even found any of her clothes yet'? In reference to the OCSO? Maybe when she was out of jail? Maybe a comment to Lee or Dom Casey?

I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it a curious comment at the time

(it is really hard to keep up on this iPhone lol)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 12:43:59 PM
OMG - you wouldn't use duct tape around wiring!  Baez is such an idiot. 

Maybe in his house he does handyman chores....lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
Duct tape may have been used up on Caylee posters before the remains were found.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
Next witness for the State is Gerald M Johnston, Owner of a land surveying company


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 12:44:35 PM
My split screen isn't working. 
DITTO


Same here...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
Jerry Johnston is the next witness for the State

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/5821691630_1db69075b9_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

It could have been Casey as well

Maybe Cindy orignally had 2; one for whites and one for colored clothing?   :smt102


(http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l145/pharlap_9999/l_461889916d8248f79b54c3366d0929f5.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 12:45:26 PM
I think the t-shirt was on Caylee when she was left in the woods simply because there was so little of it left.  Decomp and animal activity caused the material to disintegrate.

Didn't Casey once say 'they haven't even found any of her clothes yet'? In reference to the OCSO? Maybe when she was out of jail? Maybe a comment to Lee or Dom Casey?

I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it a curious comment at the time

(it is really hard to keep up on this iPhone lol)

Yes, I think Rob Dick heard her say it when he was driving her around.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
My split screen isn't working. 
DITTO

  http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html (http://www.wftv.com/caseytriallive1/index.html)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:45:50 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/5821127437_79c7e76219_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
Refresh, should bring them back


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 12:45:59 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:46:01 PM
I think the t-shirt was on Caylee when she was left in the woods simply because there was so little of it left.  Decomp and animal activity caused the material to disintegrate.

Didn't Casey once say 'they haven't even found any of her clothes yet'? In reference to the OCSO? Maybe when she was out of jail? Maybe a comment to Lee or Dom Casey?

I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it a curious comment at the time

(it is really hard to keep up on this iPhone lol)


reportedly, by Padilla crew


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
My doorbell rang, had to answer it....the heart shape stickers are in....right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 12:46:39 PM
Could they not have Geo testify regarding the Hinkle tape, or has he already? I can't remember.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:46:50 PM
Next witness for State:

Gerald M Johnston

Owner Land surveying firm. Produced a 3D animation of Suburban Drive for Orange County Sheriff's Dept.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:46:52 PM
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/5821127437_79c7e76219_b.jpg)

Man o manochivitz, the Anthonys are giving the stink eye...to me it seems to Bozo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l600/blondeonahd1/Casey%20anthony%20trial%20pictures/linda-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 11, 2011, 12:46:56 PM
Casey starts to hide again...wth?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:48:07 PM
G and C have no problems looking at the crime scene photos.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 12:48:15 PM
Casey starts to hide again...wth?

Maybe she's practicing for when it might make sense???    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:48:26 PM
Casey faking ill again


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:48:45 PM
KC cant look at an animated flyover??  ::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa::
FAKER ALERT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
The demonstration isnt something Casey needed to turn away from, the jury has to see her crapola for what it is...a farce


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:49:40 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5146/5821140921_9f0ac39bd4_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:50:05 PM
Casey starts to hide again...wth?

Who knows? Apparently, she's been told to "act upset" at anything pertaining to the crime scene and she's too stupid to realize that doesn't include the street curb there. :roll:


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 12:50:15 PM
Perry should have a taser for when bozo opens his mouth.  Someone needs to make one of bozo being tased!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
This is a cool animation. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 12:50:59 PM
Why is the drama queen performing again? She has no real feelings, so she probably has to guess where it's appropriate to act disturbed.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:51:18 PM
Cross examination....NONE   Dont pass out now ya hear!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: bikerbev on June 11, 2011, 12:51:37 PM
I think the t-shirt was on Caylee when she was left in the woods simply because there was so little of it left.  Decomp and animal activity caused the material to disintegrate.

Didn't Casey once say 'they haven't even found any of her clothes yet'? In reference to the OCSO? Maybe when she was out of jail? Maybe a comment to Lee or Dom Casey?

I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it a curious comment at the time

(it is really hard to keep up on this iPhone lol)

Yes, I think Rob Dick heard her say it when he was driving her around.
She said that when she was in jail watching the search by Padilla at J Blanchard Park.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 12:51:52 PM
That is because the roll of duct tape that was used on the gas can and Caylee was taken by Casey.  That is why the roll is not found in the house.  The roll was probably kept in the SHED.
george and Kronk would not have used that duct tape on Caylee.

Thanks Klaas for the weather calendar for June.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:51:53 PM
We are concluding for the day.

George and Cindy just rushed out


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
I think Casey had to squeez in playing sick before the end of today.  Trial is back in session Monday at 9am


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 12:52:32 PM
Court's over for today....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 12:52:58 PM
It looks as if a bailiff steps in front of the door after the Anthonys leave.  Maybe to give them time to get to the elevators before anyone else, thus ensuring their privacy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:53:01 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?

I'd love to further explain.

People who say we are "ruining" the case - are idiots.  They're the ones who didn't read the one statement sayign that the pictures were from CayleeDaily.  They also didn't go to CayleeDaily and see that the pictures came from Burbank.

That being said, I thought that when we brought photos over from another online source, not from the screen, and I'm talking ***strictly*** about the graphic photos here, that we were supposed to attribute the source.

Again ---->  I am talking about the graphic photos.  The skeleton, the hair matt, the ones that came from CayleeDaily but not every post attributes them as such.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: OriginalKat on June 11, 2011, 12:53:09 PM
Casey seems to have trouble when the "dump" site is in focus or bones are discussed. I think she might be having flashbacks to her dumping Caylee there. George and Cindy were out of there quick..wow!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: bikerbev on June 11, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
Why didn't the prosecution show the news clip where George is putting up posting with the Henkle duct tape?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:54:05 PM
Casey is assisting packing up for the weekend.   Come on bailff get on the ball and put her back in her cage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:54:14 PM
I'm not talking about our monkey's screen caps.  Make more sense now?  I just don't want to see SM get in trouble for having pictures from another site, much less a news media site, and not attributing them correctly.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
Why didn't the prosecution show the news clip where George is putting up posting with the Henkle duct tape?

George wouldnt have used that tape on the posters if he did anything his evil slore of a daughter & her defense is alleging.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:55:25 PM
Casey is assisting packing up for the weekend.   Come on bailff get on the ball and put her back in her cage.

She really has severe delusions.  I really think she's trying to look like she's part of the team, or in charge as GA told her she is. /sigh

She also thinks she's going to get away with this - that people are believing Baez.

Uh, I hate to tell you Casey....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 12:55:37 PM
edit to remove possible personal info

Edit-concern may be user name.  MB


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 12:55:41 PM
Casey starts to hide again...wth?

Who knows? Apparently, she's been told to "act upset" at anything pertaining to the crime scene and she's too stupid to realize that doesn't include the street curb there. :roll:

Exactly..she has been told to act upset at certain things during the trial..being a sociopath she can't figure when it's appropriate and when it's not. 

So listening to bugs in the trunk and at the woods in her baby's body is funny..looking at an overview of the woods is sickening...right!

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
Casey seems to have trouble when the "dump" site is in focus or bones are discussed. I think she might be having flashbacks to her dumping Caylee there. George and Cindy were out of there quick..wow! Fixed quote.  MB
Good observation! She most certainly does appear that way.. I hope it haunts her, but it wont as soon as it is off the screen it is out of  her head


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: sharon on June 11, 2011, 12:56:34 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  


I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.

Me too. Same reason. And as a S Fl resident, also keep one in my coolers as part of hurricane prep - always comes in handy when eating  out of coolers when there is no electricity.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 12:56:36 PM
It looks as if a bailiff steps in front of the door after the Anthonys leave.  Maybe to give them time to get to the elevators before anyone else, thus ensuring their privacy.

Quite possible


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 12:56:50 PM
It looks as if a bailiff steps in front of the door after the Anthonys leave.  Maybe to give them time to get to the elevators before anyone else, thus ensuring their privacy.

He was wearing blue jeans and the pink oxford that matches the dog leashes that Cindy has him walk the dog in. His hair was not pulled back in a bun. ::monkeywine2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 12:56:56 PM
edited to remove possible personal info



Okay, so how do I post a photo? Feeling really stupid here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Sister on June 11, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
I see they are back to chewing gum.  They sure must feel entitled.  Rules never apply to them.  I do NOT feel sorry for C & G.


Neither do I.  In fact, quite the opposite. They did everything they could think of to hinder and tamper with this investigation, and purposely  accused people they knew to be innocent.  They had complete disregard for decency and morality in their zeal to help their slut daughter get away with murder. How they could have so little respect for the life of their granddaughter is beyond my comprehension.  I hold them in complete and utter contempt, as I wish Judge Perry would do.
ITA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 12:57:48 PM
THE COLLAPSIBLE BIN - IS IT SIGNIFICANT?

George Anthony gives conflicting statements during Casey Anthony trial (videos)
May 27th, 2011 12:37 pm ET


George Anthony testified that he had taken time off of work on June 24, 2008 for personal reasons and was surprised when Casey Anthony showed up in his garage at approximately 10:00 am.

<snipped>

George Anthony stated during the prosecutor’s line of questioning that he couldn’t see in the trunk, nor did he smell anything unusual

During cross examination by lead defense attorney, Jose Baez, however, it was determined that during a previous FBI interview, George Anthony stated that he did look in the trunk of the vehicle and saw clothes were present.

<snipped>

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-tampa-bay/george-anthony-gives-conflicting-statements-during-casey-anthony-trial-videos


TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED INTERVIEW OF GEORGE ANTHONY
CONDUCTED BY DETECTIVE EDWARDS
CASE NUMBER 08-74777
GA — GEORGE ANTHONY
SM - SCOTT MCELYEA, FBI
SB — SCOTT BOLIN, FBI

Page 41
GA: As I got home I know it was like 2:25 or 2:30 as I'm inside getting ready for this
interview that I had a couple hours ahead of time or about 4:30, 5 o'clock. The garage door goes up. Who comes in the house, my daughter.

Page 44
SB: Okay. When she popped the trunk were you back at the back of the car?
GA: Yeah. Yeah. There was definitely I could see clothes back there.
SB: Okay.
GA: She has a plastic blue bin that collapsible... we all have 'em in our vehicles.
SB: Yes.

Page 45
GA: And ah, and the gas cans were inside this blue bin that she had. 'Cause she
pulled 'ern out...

<snipped>

THIS TRANSCRIPT HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR ACCURACY
Signed this 29 th day of June, 2009.
DETECTIVE CORPORAL MELICH, OCSO DEPUTY SHERIFF


June 29, 2009
http://files.realitychatter.com/CA/Docs/George-Anthony-FBI-Interview-7878-8000.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 12:58:07 PM
Casey starts to hide again...wth?

Who knows? Apparently, she's been told to "act upset" at anything pertaining to the crime scene and she's too stupid to realize that doesn't include the street curb there. :roll:

Exactly..she has been told to act upset at certain things during the trial..being a sociopath she can't figure when it's appropriate and when it's not. 

So listening to bugs in the trunk and at the woods in her baby's body is funny..looking at an overview of the woods is sickening...right!

 ::MonkeyMad::

I think you're right, Gypsy - that she is a sociopath so she doesn't know when people would feel appropriately and when they would not.

Probably in her mind, she remembers going there (note you get the reaction the second she sees the entrance into the woods) and thinks  "Oh I should react here", not realizing that a normal person wouldn't react there - because they wouldn't recognize that spot - unless they had been in there themselves, which she hadn't right?  (cough cough)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 11, 2011, 12:58:37 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?

I'd love to further explain.

People who say we are "ruining" the case - are idiots.  They're the ones who didn't read the one statement sayign that the pictures were from CayleeDaily.  They also didn't go to CayleeDaily and see that the pictures came from Burbank.

That being said, I thought that when we brought photos over from another online source, not from the screen, and I'm talking ***strictly*** about the graphic photos here, that we were supposed to attribute the source.

Again ---->  I am talking about the graphic photos.  The skeleton, the hair matt, the ones that came from CayleeDaily but not every post attributes them as such.




Oh okay..I don't do the pics..but I do look at them.

Couldn't figure out what was going on.

Thank you ..I am the slow kid today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Ono on June 11, 2011, 12:58:50 PM
Why didn't the prosecution show the news clip where George is putting up posting with the Henkle duct tape?

George wouldnt have used that tape on the posters if he did anything his evil slore of a daughter & her defense is alleging.

Great point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: bikerbev on June 11, 2011, 12:59:13 PM
Why didn't the prosecution show the news clip where George is putting up posting with the Henkle duct tape?

George wouldnt have used that tape on the posters if he did anything his evil slore of a daughter & her defense is alleging.
I can see theprosecution trying to keep the A's out of this, but I feel like the defense saying the police didn't find any duct tape in the home might make the jurors think there was no duct tape at all in the home. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 11, 2011, 12:59:48 PM
9:50am Sat June 11, 2011 Court is in session.

Next states witness is Jennifer Welch, CSI.

Linda is up.........

She has testified in this case previously.  You were at the remains scene on Dec 11, 2008.  How long were LE at the remains scene?  10 days.  She took photos of items as they were collected.  There were 50 or more people at the crime scene.  To document the scene they set up a baseline and search lanes and then a grid.  As items were found they were flagged prior to the collection.  There was a wall of vegetation, hanging vines, trees, Palmetto trunks, there was leaf litter and then roots in the surface then larger roots.  It was difficult to walk on the surface due to large amounts of vegetation, as they cleared it was still difficult.  To assist to clear the area they were provided tools. Linda is showing a photo to the witness.  It shows a machete and a cover for the machete, they are standard issue items from the CSI.  They were owned by the OC Sheriff's office, she doesn't recall these items already at the scene.  Linda is showing her another photo of large roots on the surface of the scene after some clearing and an evidence flag.  They cleared the west of the baseline they set up and this photo is taken after it was cleared 0-4 inches.  Next photo shows an evidence flag to indicate a bone.  This bone was collected and she made a measurement of how far in the ground this bone was.  Next photo shows the depth this bone was found.  Next photo shows the bone she collected that was partially buried.  In addition to photography she collected and document at the remain scene.  She collected over 390 items of evidence.  It included bottles and trash and black plastic bag pieces that were scattered throughout the scene.  She collected a piece of duct tape near the area where the skull was collected to the SW.  Showing her an envelope of an item she collected at the remains scene, it is a piece of duct tape collected at the scene.  The witness extracts it from the bag and show it to the jury.  There are markings on the duct tape it says Henkle Consumer Adhesive. Did you also collect on the scene plastic paint strips with words?  Yes I did.  She hands the witness an envelope and the witness opens the envelope.  It is pink wording strips.  Lettering she found at the remains scene.  The witness shows the items to the jury.  She is holding up pink strips of lettering that say "Big Trouble Comes in Small Packages". They are dirty, aged and stained.  Linda is done............

Baez is up........

He is showing the witness a photo of the wooded area and the street of Suburban.  He wants to know how far the grass area is?  She doesn't know.  He wants her to guess the distance from the street to the grass?  10ft.  He asked her how far into the woods was the skull found?  She is referring to a report.  According to a report written by a CSI it was 19 feet, 8 inches.  He wants the witness to stand down to show the jury how far that is.  She steps down, he has her hold one end of the measuring tape and he holds another to show 19 feet, 8 inches.  The grass area was 10 feet?  Yes.  So this is how far the skull would be?  Yes but it was hidden by vegetation.  The duct tape that was just introduced into evidence, where was this item found?  To the SW of the skull.  How far away?  She doesn't know.  Was it in Area A?  No.  It wasn't in the area where the bag and the skull was collected?  That is correct.  That is the same kind that was found with the skull?  Yes, it had the same emblem.  He is showing her a photo of stones.  Where they found where the remains were?  One was.  Were they stone pavers?  Yes, they could be consistent with stone pavers.  Baez is done.

The witness is excused. Taking a recess till 11:30am.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 01:00:48 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/28205710/detail.html
Crime Scene, Insect Experts Testify In Casey Trial Day 27
Posted: 8:49 am EDT June 11, 2011Updated: 12:49 pm EDT June 11, 2011

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A forensic entomologist testified on day 27 in Casey Anthony's murder trial, and he told the jury that the insects found in the trunk of Casey's car were related to decomposition.
 ::snipping2::

 ::snipping2::
Haskell, who analyzed insects found in Casey's car trunk, testified that the adult flies found on paper towels are very common with decomposition. Prosecutors believe Caylee's body was kept in the car before being left in a wooded area near Casey's home.

Haskell testified the flies were feeding on a substance on the paper towels, which was identified as decomposition fluid. He said the source of the decomposition fluids that attracted the bugs probably would have been in the car for several days.

Haskell said on Friday that the evidence is consistent with a body being left inside the trunk for a short period of time and then removed.

"That the body of a small child was stored in that trunk for a period of time and then removed and deposited in another location. Does that fit with the entomological evidence you found?" asked prosecutor Jeff Ashton.

"Absolutely," Haskell replied.

He added that the insect evidence at the scene where Caylee’s remains were recovered indicated that the body had been out there for months.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 01:00:50 PM

Oh okay..I don't do the pics..but I do look at them.

Couldn't figure out what was going on.

Thank you ..I am the slow kid today.

/hugs   No, you're not the slow kid - I posted that in a hurry and I figured I wasn't very clear about which photos I meant.  :)

I was getting tired of the grunts saying bad stuff about SM.  It pisses me off that those people don't read the note that was there.  I was able to get to the original source - why can't they?  No, instead they whine about US when if they want to kavetch, they can kavetch at Burbank.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 01:02:00 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/Users/janefrost/Desktop/rodin20thinker.jpg)



Okay, so how do I post a photo? Feeling really stupid here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Yoder1,
Highlight your link then click on the the icon (2nd row , 2nd icon from left) The icons are above the Monkey smiley faces above the msg box you type in. Then I hit preview before Post just incase....and I get an red x. humm....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 01:02:42 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20502106,00.html
Casey Anthony Trial: Bug Expert Testifies that Body Was in Car
By Steve Helling
Saturday June 11, 2011 12:50 PM EDT

There was more grisly evidence presented at the Casey Anthony murder trial on Saturday.

An entomologist testified that evidence of flies and fly larvae, so-called "coffin flies," found on trash and paper towels that had been inside the trunk of Anthony's car are indicative of decomposition of a human body.

Neal Haskell, an expert in forensic entomology from St. Joseph's College in Indiana, said the finding is "absolutely consistent" with a body being left in the trunk, although he conceded that the body had not likely been in the trunk for long.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 01:02:57 PM
Time to go help out my postop parents.. See you monkeys later.. and thanks to everyone!!! (((((((((monkey hugs)))))))))  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 01:02:58 PM
Magic, thank you again for the updates!!!  They're so absolutely appreciated!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 01:04:04 PM
OK think of what Baez said in his objection to the pics of Casey's room ... she had not lived in the home for 6 months. It is the defense's premise that Caylee drown, yes I know its BS, but we must prove its BS. So if Caylee wondered out to the pool in the AM as others were sleeping ... I though KC did not live in the home? From what Baez just stated.

Yet she had access to the house, including the shed which Baez made a point to say there was a lock on. Well of course KC had access to shed she took the gas cans.

The duct tape is a loser as all the State was doing was entering it into evidence, they will be explaining it later when the tie it altogther. It is shameful that Casey and Baez are trying to pin this all on George. If she was my daughter, she might as well be found guilty because she would be already dead to me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 11, 2011, 01:07:03 PM
Why didn't the prosecution show the news clip where George is putting up posting with the Henkle duct tape?

George wouldnt have used that tape on the posters if he did anything his evil slore of a daughter & her defense is alleging.

Great point.

Note that all the State is doing here is entering all the stuff into evidence. They will then bring it all together so that it makes sense and they don't have a disjointed story. Trust me, they will explain a logical, common sense position that will make total sense and point the finger at Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
I wanted to post this pic earlier. This was captured by me via live stream earlier after Entomologist, Dr. Neil Haskell testified.
(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/a.jpg)

the smiles grew slowly but they were there...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 01:08:19 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/Users/janefrost/Desktop/rodin20thinker.jpg)



Okay, so how do I post a photo? Feeling really stupid here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Yoder1,
Highlight your link then click on the the icon (2nd row , 2nd icon from left) The icons are above the Monkey smiley faces above the msg box you type in. Then I hit preview before Post just incase....and I get an red x. humm....




Thank you much. I will give it another try. I think the problem is "no link" it is a photo from my computer.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 01:08:26 PM
That is because the roll of duct tape that was used on the gas can and Caylee was taken by Casey.  That is why the roll is not found in the house.  The roll was probably kept in the SHED.


WFTV Discovers Possible Duct Tape Link In Casey Case
Posted: 5:06 pm EDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm EDT October 2, 2009


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It's the duct tape that could strengthen the link between Casey Anthony and her daughter's body and it was discovered only by Eyewitness News.

Eyewitness News found the same rare type of tape that was found on Caylee's skull being used by the Anthony family on a Caylee Anthony poster.

You can't buy the tape from Home Depot. It is industrial-grade duct tape that hasn't been sold in years.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
I wanted to post this pic earlier. This was captured by me via live stream earlier after Entomologist, Dr. Neil Haskell testified.
(http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee509/Sallie1233/a.jpg)

the smiles grew slowly but they were there...

They look mighty smug, don't they?  Humph.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 11, 2011, 01:08:39 PM
11:35am Sat June 11, 2011 Court is in session.

Next witness is Ronald Murdock.

He is a Forensic Supervisor at the OC Sheriff's Office.  He goes to major crime scenes and has administrative duties.  He had supervisory duties over the remains crime scene.  He arrived on Dec 12, 2008.  He assisted in diagramming that scene, he used Total Station to diagram the remains scene.  He got the information to put in from Jennifer Welch.  He used other landmarks, roadway, lights.  That included the documentation where each bone was flagged and recovered.  He grouped those bones into various areas, he met with Dr. Shultz about documenting the bones.  Did you document a piece of duct tape that was found away from the skull?  Yes.  The Total Station program was on his lap top, it allowed him to print out the various screens from the Total Station program.  She is handing the witness those printouts.  First item is a diagram of the remains scene and all of the bones in those areas, the roadway, other landmarks and the duct tape.  Looking at another print out, it shows just the circled area where the bones were located.  He is publishing those two exhibits from his laptop.  First one has the bones in the diagram.  It is an overview of the roadway of Suburban Dr and the location of the bones.  The bones are circled in red.  He is zooming in on the bones.  Some areas have lots of bones, esp A and I.  There are so many bones it looks like an ink blot.  Lots of dots, the skull is one of those dots.  The system he utilized gives him the distance from Suburban Dr to the center of area A is 19 .8 feet.  The other line represents the brush line of grass that the county maintains.  The edge of the roadway to the wooded area is approx 5 feet.  Next photo shows the circled areas, the letter D-1 was a piece of duct tape.  He gave all the duct tape, the letter D.  It was a piece of Henkle Duct Tape.  There are two other pieces of duct tape that was not Henkle Duct Tape.  He used a surveying company to diagram the remains scene.  He also participated in a search warrant of the Anthony's house on Dec 11, 2008.  He was in charge of the evidence located at the Anthony house.  She is showing him a photo it shows the evening hours of Dec 8, 2008.  It shows the item and clothes found in a shed on the Anthony property.  Next photo shows the interior of another shed as it existed on Dec 11, 2008.  There is an item in this photo that was collected.  He is circling it on his monitor.  She is showing him the item.  It is the red metal gas can with another item of evidence attached.  Next photo shows a variety of stickers that were collected at the Anthony residence.  Baez asks for side bar.......sidebar is over. 12:07pm

Next photo shows a photo of Casey Anthony's bedroom on Dec 11, 2008.  Witness is refreshing his memory of the room.  Next photo is another photo of the same room.  Baez is objecting to these photos, over-ruled.  Next photo is of stickers found in Casey Anthony's room on Dec 20, 2008.  Next photo is of Caylee's bedroom.  It was taken Dec 11, 2008.  He collected items of evidence from Caylee's bedroom, she is showing him those items.  First item is Winnie the Pooh bedding from Caylee Anthony's bedroom.  Next item is Winnie the Pooh bedding items collected from the office room, dresser drawer in the Anthony's home Dec 11, 2008.  He collected items from the Anthony's garage on Dec 11, 2008.  First photo is of the Anthony's garage.  Next photo is a close-up of items in the Anthony garage.  It shows black plastic bags with yellow handles, they have items in them.  The items in those bags were removed and photographed.  The first item is in the next photo, it shows an off-white canvas laundry bag, brand name Whitney Design.  Linda hands him next evidence item it is the actual off-white canvas laundry bag, brand name Whitney Design found in the black plastic bag in the Anthony's garage on Dec 11, 2008.  He also collected various garbage bags, collected from the Anthony residence.  Linda hands him several bags, they contain the black garbage bags with yellow handles found in the Anthony garage on Dec 8, 2011.  One bag was found in a suitcase.  One bag was found inside of a cooler.  Next item is a black garbage bag with yellow handles from the south shed.  Next item is 2 black garbage bags with yellow handles, inside of a dog crate in the Anthony garage.  One of the black plastic garbage bags with yellow handles was packaged with the canvas laundry bag it contained, when found in the Anthony's garage.  Linda is done.........

Baez is up..........

The diagram you showed us earlier showed us a piece of Henkle Duct Tape outside of the Area A?  Yes.  Can you tell us how far it was away from the skull?  Approx 6.27 feet.  The search warrant for the Anthony home, you knew you were looking for a special duct tape?  Yes, I knew it had a brand name.  You didn't find any in the garage?  No.  Did you find it in an area with other tape?  I don't recall.  You didn't find the Henkle brand wrapped around any pipes or wires?  No, it would of been collected if found.  You collected the items?  I was in charge of collecting the items.  You went into the attic?  Someone did.  They didn't find any Henkle duct tape?  No.  You searched the pool, the shed, it was thoroughly searched and you found no Henkle duct tape?  No, we didn't find any other than on the gas can.  How many people were searching the Anthony home?  10 people.  The gas can was the only item you found Henkle brand duct tape was on the round red gas can?  Yes.  Baez is showing a photo of one of the sheds.  You took all of these items out of the shed?  Yes.  There was no Henkle brand duct tape on any of these items?  No.  Not on the shovel, the saw, the lawn equipment?  No.  This lawn mower had no Henkle brand duct tape?  No.  Was there a lock on that shed?  Yes.  How was that shed opened.  I am not sure.  Except for the bedding you only collected black garbage bags?  The witness is looking over the evidence collected.  That shed had a black garbage bag collected.  As it relates to any duct tape, the only place you found Henkle duct tape was on the red, round gas can?  Yes.  Did you ever find the roll of Henkle brand duct tape?  No.  Did you search the cars on the property?  Yes.  You found no Henkle brand duct tape in them?  No.  Witness is excused.

 



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 01:08:55 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 01:09:24 PM
/Users/xxxxxxx/rodin20thinker.jpg Edit to remove name from jpg (no image)



Okay, so how do I post a photo? Feeling really stupid here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
I think I just posted the same one in the break room.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: NM on June 11, 2011, 01:10:24 PM
OK think of what Baez said in his objection to the pics of Casey's room ... she had not lived in the home for 6 months. It is the defense's premise that Caylee drown, yes I know its BS, but we must prove its BS. So if Caylee wondered out to the pool in the AM as others were sleeping ... I though KC did not live in the home? From what Baez just stated.

Yet she had access to the house, including the shed which Baez made a point to say there was a lock on. Well of course KC had access to shed she took the gas cans.

The duct tape is a loser as all the State was doing was entering it into evidence, they will be explaining it later when the tie it altogther. It is shameful that Casey and Baez are trying to pin this all on George. If she was my daughter, she might as well be found guilty because she would be already dead to me.
And Tony Lazarrio (as JP calls him) testified that the slore had him use a tire iron to break that lock to get the gas cans!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 01:10:26 PM
Stupid question: they ARE done for the day, right?   (need icon for dunce-cap-monkey)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 01:12:02 PM
Stupid question: they ARE done for the day, right?   (need icon for dunce-cap-monkey)

Not stupid! Yes, they finished at 1... done until Monday.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: starwynn on June 11, 2011, 01:12:30 PM
NVM on done - got my answer.

I just had to laugh b ecause yesterday the bf asked me what a slore was.  :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Magic Eyes on June 11, 2011, 01:12:54 PM
12:41 Sat June 11, 2011 Court is in session.

Next state witness is Gerald J. Johnston.

Linda is up...........

He owns the land survey firm, Allen and Company.  He provided a survey for the OC Sheriff's Office, in Dec 2008.  He has seen the video and the animation of what he provided, he used measurements provided to him.  Linda is showing him a piece of evidence, it is a CD of the video he provided of the crime scene.  The jury is now seeing the video.  It is in 3D, it is a combination of the ground topography conditions seen that day.  They stripped away the trees to show what was going on, on the ground.  The pavement is several feet higher than the woods as it falls away from the road.  It shows all views of a 3-Dimensional Fly Through of Suburban Drive on Dec 11, 2008.  It shows that trees were removed to show the ground.  It shows that the ground cover had been removed by CSI before this was taken.  It is now showing where flags indicated bones that were recovered from the OC Sheriff's items, he was provided those measurements by the OC Sheriff's Office.  Witness is excused.

The judge is dismissing the jurors for the day.  Court is in recess till Monday morning at 9am.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
Stupid question: they ARE done for the day, right?   (need icon for dunce-cap-monkey)




Maybe we are all getting monkey fever from being "Casey'd out."   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 01:15:34 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/Users/janefrost/Desktop/rodin20thinker.jpg)



Okay, so how do I post a photo? Feeling really stupid here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Yoder1,
Highlight your link then click on the the icon (2nd row , 2nd icon from left) The icons are above the Monkey smiley faces above the msg box you type in. Then I hit preview before Post just incase....and I get an red x. humm....




Thank you much. I will give it another try. I think the problem is "no link" it is a photo from my computer.


Yoder
- direct uploads from computers is disabled right now.  Normally there is an ADDITIONAL OPTION to upload a file but bogs down the server and with high traffic during the trial that function is disabled.  Photos are being uploaded into either photobucket or flickr or any other online source then the IMG URL is being posted, that is how everyone is doing it during the trial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 01:16:21 PM
Stupid question: they ARE done for the day, right?   (need icon for dunce-cap-monkey)




Maybe we are all getting monkey fever from being "Casey'd out."   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes done for the day.  Normal times on Saturdays is 9-1.  Trial will resume Monday at 9am.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Yoder1 on June 11, 2011, 01:18:17 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/Users/janefrost/Desktop/rodin20thinker.jpg)



Okay, so how do I post a photo? Feeling really stupid here. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hi Yoder1,
Highlight your link then click on the the icon (2nd row , 2nd icon from left) The icons are above the Monkey smiley faces above the msg box you type in. Then I hit preview before Post just incase....and I get an red x. humm....




Thank you much. I will give it another try. I think the problem is "no link" it is a photo from my computer.


Yoder
- direct uploads from computers is disabled right now.  Normally there is an ADDITIONAL OPTION to upload a file but bogs down the server and with high traffic during the trial that function is disabled.  Photos are being uploaded into either photobucket or flickr or any other online source then the IMG URL is being posted, that is how everyone is doing it during the trial.




That makes administrative sense. Thank you Klass. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 01:24:41 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?

I'd love to further explain.

People who say we are "ruining" the case - are idiots.  They're the ones who didn't read the one statement sayign that the pictures were from CayleeDaily.  They also didn't go to CayleeDaily and see that the pictures came from Burbank.

That being said, I thought that when we brought photos over from another online source, not from the screen, and I'm talking ***strictly*** about the graphic photos here, that we were supposed to attribute the source.

Again ---->  I am talking about the graphic photos.  The skeleton, the hair matt, the ones that came from CayleeDaily but not every post attributes them as such.



I haven't read all the posts yet but is bozo putting his goons out again to complain about "the case?"  NOBODY can ruin his case - He never had a case - IMO he screwed over his client for her money and fame for himself by not pleading her out before the body was found and now he knows she is going down as most likely he is too. I ignore any and all of these naysayers unless they blatantly post lies on here and then I post the truth for them so people aren't deceived.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Kermit on June 11, 2011, 01:25:38 PM
source: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18739950/detail.html
(http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-heart-sticker-0401.jpg)


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eYEUW7DxeM8/SZ5GFD2SEUI/AAAAAAAAEvI/Ivq0-W-xQw0/s400/caylee-anthony-heart-sticker-2.JPG)


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eYEUW7DxeM8/SZ5GE4Yh9uI/AAAAAAAAEvA/oH4voyoIi6w/s400/caylee-anthony-heart-sticker.jpg)
credit:http://mamanetbebe.blogspot.com/2009/02/casey-anthony-update-20-february.html




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 01:27:29 PM
Last one on photo pasting...... I was looking this up while you posted, Klaas:

Klaas:
Yoder - direct uploads from computers is disabled right now.  Normally there is an ADDITIONAL OPTION to upload a file but bogs down the server and with high traffic during the trial that function is disabled.  Photos are being uploaded into either photobucket or flickr or any other online source then the IMG URL is being posted, that is how everyone is doing it during the trial.



Yoder:
That makes administrative sense.
Thank you Klass. ::MonkeyWink::


CBB:
Inserting a picture

Upload your picture to one of the free services
ImageShack (http://imageshack.us/)
TinyPic (http://tinypic.com/)
PhotoBucket (http://photobucket.com/)
or a hosting service of your choice.

Look for a code that starts with
Code:
[img]
and ends
Code:
[/img]
copy the whole address and paste in your post.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Kermit on June 11, 2011, 01:33:51 PM
source: http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18739950/detail.html
(http://www.cfnews13.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-heart-sticker-0401.jpg)


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_eYEUW7DxeM8/SZ5GFD2SEUI/AAAAAAAAEvI/Ivq0-W-xQw0/s400/caylee-anthony-heart-sticker-2.JPG)


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eYEUW7DxeM8/SZ5GE4Yh9uI/AAAAAAAAEvA/oH4voyoIi6w/s400/caylee-anthony-heart-sticker.jpg)
credit:http://mamanetbebe.blogspot.com/2009/02/casey-anthony-update-20-february.html


"I believe that the exhibit was necessary to establish the state's theory that this duct tape was sufficient to be the murder weapon," said attorney Jeff Ashton.

Edit to add link to post, per Kerm.  MB http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-10/justice/florida.casey.anthony.trial_1_duct-tape-casey-anthony-caylee-anthony?_s=PM:CRIME


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Kermit on June 11, 2011, 01:34:27 PM
oops forgot source to last post:
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-10/justice/florida.casey.anthony.trial_1_duct-tape-casey-anthony-caylee-anthony?_s=PM:CRIME


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 01:34:45 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?

I'd love to further explain.

People who say we are "ruining" the case - are idiots.  They're the ones who didn't read the one statement sayign that the pictures were from CayleeDaily.  They also didn't go to CayleeDaily and see that the pictures came from Burbank.

That being said, I thought that when we brought photos over from another online source, not from the screen, and I'm talking ***strictly*** about the graphic photos here, that we were supposed to attribute the source.

Again ---->  I am talking about the graphic photos.  The skeleton, the hair matt, the ones that came from CayleeDaily but not every post attributes them as such.



I haven't read all the posts yet but is bozo putting his goons out again to complain about "the case?"  NOBODY can ruin his case - He never had a case - IMO he screwed over his client for her money and fame for himself by not pleading her out before the body was found and now he knows she is going down as most likely he is too. I ignore any and all of these naysayers unless they blatantly post lies on here and then I post the truth for them so people aren't deceived.

Artical re casey had a crush on baez by Dr. Lillian Glass.. and pics of casey holding baez hand ect..
https://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/jose-baez-change-in-body-language-towards-casey-casey%E2%80%99s-reported-crush-on-him-and-possible-affects-on-the-case/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 01:38:54 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?

I'd love to further explain.

People who say we are "ruining" the case - are idiots.  They're the ones who didn't read the one statement sayign that the pictures were from CayleeDaily.  They also didn't go to CayleeDaily and see that the pictures came from Burbank.

That being said, I thought that when we brought photos over from another online source, not from the screen, and I'm talking ***strictly*** about the graphic photos here, that we were supposed to attribute the source.

Again ---->  I am talking about the graphic photos.  The skeleton, the hair matt, the ones that came from CayleeDaily but not every post attributes them as such.



I haven't read all the posts yet but is bozo putting his goons out again to complain about "the case?"  NOBODY can ruin his case - He never had a case - IMO he screwed over his client for her money and fame for himself by not pleading her out before the body was found and now he knows she is going down as most likely he is too. I ignore any and all of these naysayers unless they blatantly post lies on here and then I post the truth for them so people aren't deceived.

Artical re casey had a crush on baez by Dr. Lillian Glass.. and pics of casey holding baez hand ect..
https://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/11/06/jose-baez-change-in-body-language-towards-casey-casey%E2%80%99s-reported-crush-on-him-and-possible-affects-on-the-case/

oops here is the link for the pic holding hands..
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/07/roy-kronk.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 11, 2011, 01:40:49 PM
I gotta say that today has brought excellent points to the surface.

The clothes Caylee was found wearing (or had been wearing) do not make sense with the defense's story of drowning. She was not in a swim suit and neither George nor Casey would have "buried" her in that outfit.

The shovel was used to pry up the pavers from the Ant's home, that were then found at the remains site.
That would explain the short time Casey had the neighbor's shovel, the pavers at the remains site (to weight down the bag Caylee was in), and perhaps C&G's work in the backyard.

We also got to see a matching laundry bag to the one Caylee was found in, from the Ant's garage. Pictures of matching garbage bags were also entered into evidence.

The State's doing a great job........... and so are the Monkeys!!     ::justice2NJ::

The heart sticker is also apparently coming in! Pictures of heart stickers were entered into evidence!



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 01:41:14 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Do you have a link where the entire video can be viewed? TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 01:43:13 PM

Could it be that behind the scenes the Anthonys and Baez are thisclose furthering a strategy?

Could it be that there be an underlining motive why Cindy and George's attorney is not objecting to the the defence's despicable accusations?

Bottom Line!  Jury deliberations encompassing reasonable doubt is all that matters to Casey's parents ... a hung jury ... is all that matter to Baez.  IMO

defence.

Janet

+++++


Anthony Family May Be Making Millions On Movie Deal
Posted: 5:48 pm EDT September 24, 2008
Updated: 7:44 am EDT September 25, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered new information about who's cashing in on the Casey Anthony case. Sources extremely close to the family told Eyewitness News that the Anthonys have signed a $2 million movie deal with the Lifetime Movie Network.

<snipped>

Sources close to the Anthonys told Eyewitness News a $2 million contract with the Lifetime Movie Network has been signed.

<snipped>

Lifetime Network told Eyewitness News there is no such deal and Cindy and George Anthony's attorney said that they are not involved in any financial deals involving the case, but Baez's PR firm won't answer any questions.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17550330/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 01:44:11 PM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler?  

I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.

me2


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 01:49:22 PM
Does anyone know if casey could get a new trial if it came out later she had a personal relationship with Baez, sexual when she was free when she went to his office?
were they alone? I believe they were?
then with all the pics of casey and baez touching? and the repeated warnings from the jail to stop hugging and sitting close?
and Bill Schaffers < spell... views on the jealiousy of casey of joses wife ect and her crush? and as he said also " It IS UNUSUAL for an attorney to TOUCH his client"

I know the judge asked casey repeatedly if she wanted jose as her attorney? she said yes many times on record.

But under the above circumstances ... how can that go and how many directions?



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 01:52:07 PM

Could it be that behind the scenes the Anthonys and Baez are thisclose furthering a strategy?

Could it be that there be an underlining motive why Cindy and George's attorney is not objecting to the the defence's despicable accusations?

Bottom Line!  Jury deliberations encompassing reasonable doubt is all that matters to Casey's parents ... a hung jury ... is all that matter to Baez.  IMO

defence.

Janet

+++++


Anthony Family May Be Making Millions On Movie Deal
Posted: 5:48 pm EDT September 24, 2008
Updated: 7:44 am EDT September 25, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered new information about who's cashing in on the Casey Anthony case. Sources extremely close to the family told Eyewitness News that the Anthonys have signed a $2 million movie deal with the Lifetime Movie Network.

<snipped>

Sources close to the Anthonys told Eyewitness News a $2 million contract with the Lifetime Movie Network has been signed.

<snipped>

Lifetime Network told Eyewitness News there is no such deal and Cindy and George Anthony's attorney said that they are not involved in any financial deals involving the case, but Baez's PR firm won't answer any questions.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17550330/detail.html


I dont know Janet, If so that twisted!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Scatty on June 11, 2011, 01:57:59 PM
I gotta say that today has brought excellent points to the surface.

The clothes Caylee was found wearing (or had been wearing) do not make sense with the defense's story of drowning. She was not in a swim suit and neither George nor Casey would have "buried" her in that outfit.

The shovel was used to pry up the pavers from the Ant's home, that were then found at the remains site.
That would explain the short time Casey had the neighbor's shovel, the pavers at the remains site (to weight down the bag Caylee was in), and perhaps C&G's work in the backyard.

We also got to see a matching laundry bag to the one Caylee was found in, from the Ant's garage. Pictures of matching garbage bags were also entered into evidence.

The State's doing a great job........... and so are the Monkeys!!     ::justice2NJ::

The heart sticker is also apparently coming in! Pictures of heart stickers were entered into evidence!



Actually, if their contention is accidental drowning, then she wouldn't have been in a swimsuit or swimmers because they claim she went out by herself, climbed the ladder that Cindy had left out by mistake, and jumped in the pool by herself. Never mind the fact that Cindy said Caylee would wait till Cindy was in the pool and then jump into her arms. Their dumb story made no sense. If she wanted to swim and both George and Casey were in the house, wouldn't she have been bugging one of them to take her swimming, like she usually did with an adult?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 02:10:46 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 02:12:52 PM
I'm not talking about our monkey's screen caps.  Make more sense now?  I just don't want to see SM get in trouble for having pictures from another site, much less a news media site, and not attributing them correctly.

Thanks for the headsup.  I've now removed Caylee Daily and simply attributed to the source, The Orlando Sentinel. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 02:21:40 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

Thank you. I wonder how Baez is going to try to prove his opening statement. So now bug specialist indicated the body was in the car and then tossed in that spot/ so no way roy kronk could of helped.. no one will believe this.
I also wonder if the state has any surprises coming.. maybe a surprise witness?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 02:24:27 PM

Could it be that behind the scenes the Anthonys and Baez are thisclose furthering a strategy?

Could it be that there be an underlining motive why Cindy and George's attorney is not objecting to the the defence's despicable accusations?

Bottom Line!  Jury deliberations encompassing reasonable doubt is all that matters to Casey's parents ... a hung jury ... is all that matter to Baez.  IMO

defence.

Janet

+++++


Anthony Family May Be Making Millions On Movie Deal
Posted: 5:48 pm EDT September 24, 2008
Updated: 7:44 am EDT September 25, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered new information about who's cashing in on the Casey Anthony case. Sources extremely close to the family told Eyewitness News that the Anthonys have signed a $2 million movie deal with the Lifetime Movie Network.

<snipped>

Sources close to the Anthonys told Eyewitness News a $2 million contract with the Lifetime Movie Network has been signed.

<snipped>

Lifetime Network told Eyewitness News there is no such deal and Cindy and George Anthony's attorney said that they are not involved in any financial deals involving the case, but Baez's PR firm won't answer any questions.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17550330/detail.html


I dont know Janet, If so that twisted!

The only motions that George & Cindy have filed in this case had to do with Caylee or Casey or their personal medical records.   George is not on trial in this case.   For that matter, Kronk is not on trial in this case & his attorney did not raise an objection or file a motion due to the defense's wild & deplorable opening statement either.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 02:26:23 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

Thank you. I wonder how Baez is going to try to prove his opening statement. So now bug specialist indicated the body was in the car and then tossed in that spot/ so no way roy kronk could of helped.. no one will believe this.
I also wonder if the state has any surprises coming.. maybe a surprise witness?

Interesting also Bill Sheaffer says in this video maybe the hands were tied. when they get to the hand evidence and the other tape it will be interesting to see if maybe the hands were taped too. And that the face had 3 layers of tape on it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 02:28:04 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

Thank you. I wonder how Baez is going to try to prove his opening statement. So now bug specialist indicated the body was in the car and then tossed in that spot/ so no way roy kronk could of helped.. no one will believe this.
I also wonder if the state has any surprises coming.. maybe a surprise witness?

The defense cannot prove ANY of their allegations put forward in opening statement.  In fact, a good bit of it has been severely discredited already.    For example, expert testimony has the body of Caylee being put in the Suburban woods mid June, no later than early July.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 02:30:17 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

Thank you. I wonder how Baez is going to try to prove his opening statement. So now bug specialist indicated the body was in the car and then tossed in that spot/ so no way roy kronk could of helped.. no one will believe this.
I also wonder if the state has any surprises coming.. maybe a surprise witness?

The defense cannot prove ANY of their allegations put forward in opening statement.  In fact, a good bit of it has been severely discredited already.    For example, expert testimony has the body of Caylee being put in the Suburban woods mid June, no later than early July.

Yes I agree, they failed from the start.It is such a joke.. Do you think Casey May take a deal before this is over?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 02:33:21 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

Thank you. I wonder how Baez is going to try to prove his opening statement. So now bug specialist indicated the body was in the car and then tossed in that spot/ so no way roy kronk could of helped.. no one will believe this.
I also wonder if the state has any surprises coming.. maybe a surprise witness?

The defense cannot prove ANY of their allegations put forward in opening statement.  In fact, a good bit of it has been severely discredited already.    For example, expert testimony has the body of Caylee being put in the Suburban woods mid June, no later than early July.

Yes I agree, they failed from the start.It is such a joke.. Do you think Casey May take a deal before this is over?


I don't think they will offer her a deal.....their case is going too well....I most definitely could be wrong, just don't feel it happening,but who knows? I certainly have already seen and heard alot in this case that has surprised me!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 02:35:50 PM
BILL SHEAFFER: Analysis Of Casey Murder Trial Day 27
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer talked to reporter Kathi Belich on Saturday in Casey Anthony's murder trial. (06/11/11)

http://www.wftv.com/video/28206856/index.html

Thank you. I wonder how Baez is going to try to prove his opening statement. So now bug specialist indicated the body was in the car and then tossed in that spot/ so no way roy kronk could of helped.. no one will believe this.
I also wonder if the state has any surprises coming.. maybe a surprise witness?

The defense cannot prove ANY of their allegations put forward in opening statement.  In fact, a good bit of it has been severely discredited already.    For example, expert testimony has the body of Caylee being put in the Suburban woods mid June, no later than early July.

Yes I agree, they failed from the start.It is such a joke.. Do you think Casey May take a deal before this is over?

Personally, no I dont think she will


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 02:36:47 PM
Nor do I think the State would consider a plea deal either - add to my last post


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 02:39:04 PM
All defense experts will now demand payment up front.


My boss is an expert witness and he requires payment in full prior to his deposition and/or trial testimony.  If we don't receive payment prior to, the attorney will have to bring the check with him/her to the depo or trial and hand it to my boss.  We rarely have to resort to this, though, as most attorney's pay us in full prior. 

I am surprised that this expert was not paid prior to his testimony, but then again, maybe he drank the Anthony/Baez "kool-aid" and actually believed he really was going to get paid.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 11, 2011, 02:39:58 PM
Nor do I think the State would consider a plea deal either - add to my last post

I totally agree....she had her chance long ago....they are going full steam ahead for a conviction.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 02:45:03 PM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??


 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 11, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
Nor do I think the State would consider a plea deal either - add to my last post

I totally agree....she had her chance long ago....they are going full steam ahead for a conviction.....

I bet she wishes she did! Or will wish!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Babybear on June 11, 2011, 02:53:15 PM

Could it be that behind the scenes the Anthonys and Baez are thisclose furthering a strategy?

Could it be that there be an underlining motive why Cindy and George's attorney is not objecting to the the defence's despicable accusations?

Bottom Line!  Jury deliberations encompassing reasonable doubt is all that matters to Casey's parents ... a hung jury ... is all that matter to Baez.  IMO

defence.

Janet

+++++


Anthony Family May Be Making Millions On Movie Deal
Posted: 5:48 pm EDT September 24, 2008
Updated: 7:44 am EDT September 25, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News uncovered new information about who's cashing in on the Casey Anthony case. Sources extremely close to the family told Eyewitness News that the Anthonys have signed a $2 million movie deal with the Lifetime Movie Network.

<snipped>

Sources close to the Anthonys told Eyewitness News a $2 million contract with the Lifetime Movie Network has been signed.

<snipped>

Lifetime Network told Eyewitness News there is no such deal and Cindy and George Anthony's attorney said that they are not involved in any financial deals involving the case, but Baez's PR firm won't answer any questions.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17550330/detail.html


I dont know Janet, If so that twisted!

If by Lippman objecting to what Baez is saying you mean standing up in court and saying, "I object," the answer is simple.  Neither he nor his clients are parties to this trial and he has no standing to object.  He did threaten to sue Baez for the content of his opening statement, but he knows, or should know, that he can't sue an attorney or anyone else for what they say in court. A number of people have slandered George outside of court on various TV shows and he could certainly file a lawsuit for that, but I note he hasn't. He can't sue Casey for what Casey told Baez because that falls under the privilege. I heard someone refer to George as "George the molester," on a TV show and Lippman could sue for that, but hasn't. I can't help wondering why.

And if there is a hung jury with one or more holdouts, unless these holdouts can convince the others of his/her viewpoint and it results in the jury's inability to reach a verdict, that doesn't mean Casey gets out of jail.  It only means she will be retried.

Under these circumstances, I wouldn't be surprised if George and Cindy participated in this plan and IMO are perfectly capable of cooking it up themselves.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Babybear on June 11, 2011, 02:55:35 PM
Cindy missed 2 days.. how will she complete her book??


 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Maybe they found the  college-educated, car owning, unpaid indentured servant they were advertising for and he/she is filling in for Cindy.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 03:05:14 PM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He might claim the body really wasn't "hidden." When you factor in the grassy area along side the road, it's possible KC backed her car in and gave the laundry bag with Caylee's remains the old heave ho into the woods.  Based on measurements, the body couldn't have been more than 10' inside the vegetated area. God that girl is friggin lazy...

Sounds like something evil monster would do.  The mental picture I have of her doing this makes me so  ::MonkeyMad::!!

Does anyone remember if slore's cell phone "ping'd" in that area during the last two weeks of June? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 03:21:35 PM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Didnt they do 'yard work' ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There were pavers used as the flooring to Caylees playhouse.  This is where I think the paver came from.
me too.. they also spread lime

And the lime is the reason in my opinion the dogs didn't hit when returned to the yard. IMO that was a deliberate attempt to cover up the murder. You only use lime in very wet areas of a yard which has a tendency to grow moss because the PH is off and then you use Lime is a treatment for your soil, not your grass,(as they told)  and the best time to use lime is only on the soil is when there's no grass on top of it. Lime helps neutralize acidic soil and does not help the grass as they claimed when unloading it from car. Also strange to me was it was put out in July - you apply lime in the fall. Really hot weather with lime can burn up your yard. Even if you do lime your yard, you do not use "quick lime" as George unloaded from his car as it is caustic. Quick lime is what we use to cover a cow with in the field as you bury it for fast decomposition.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 03:21:51 PM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver

That is precisely what I suggested a couple weeks ago.  The shovel was used to pry up the paver.  She took the paver to weight down the bag with Caylees body.  Remember that area was mostly flooded when Caylee was thrown there.


Didn't George & Cindy replace or add pavers in the backyard during the 4th of July weekend, while Caylee was "missing"?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: darla on June 11, 2011, 03:22:52 PM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He might claim the body really wasn't "hidden." When you factor in the grassy area along side the road, it's possible KC backed her car in and gave the laundry bag with Caylee's remains the old heave ho into the woods.  Based on measurements, the body couldn't have been more than 10' inside the vegetated area. God that girl is friggin lazy...

Sounds like something evil monster would do.  The mental picture I have of her doing this makes me so  ::MonkeyMad::!!

Does anyone remember if slore's cell phone "ping'd" in that area during the last two weeks of June? 




IIRC yes it did repeatedly......but that location is only a 5 minute walk from the Anthony home. So would ping on the same tower as home.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 03:28:24 PM
OMG did slore use the shovel to pry up the paver
I think there was decomp fluid on the pavers from purging and she used the shovel to lift it up and dump it also.. the parents are the type to notice anything out of place

I just posted this as a response to Klaas' post, but then read NM's post and just got the heebee jeebies... I will re-post my question...

Didn't George and Cindy replace/add pavers to the backyard during the 4th of July weekend, while Caylee was missing? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 03:34:10 PM
I realize Bozo's trying to prove that the duct tape was just part of the litter in the area and one piece just attached to the skull by chance. But to me, it sounds like there was more duct tape on little Caylee's body that was dispersed to other areas along with the remains (hands? feet?) it was attached to.

I've always wondered if her hands were also duct taped.  Because had she woke up, she could have tried to rip the duct tape off her mouth.   Poor sweet baby.  ::MonkeyTears::



I had not thought of that before, but how sad...   ::crymonkey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 03:38:08 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/11/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE75956Z20110611
Bug expert testifies Caylee Anthony's body was moved By Barbara Liston
ORLANDO, Fla | Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:17pm EDT

(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110611&t=2&i=435546174&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2011-06-11T191735Z_01_BTRE75A1HLH00_RTROPTP_0_CRIME-ANTHONY)
(Reuters) - The decomposing body of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony was moved twice according to a time line provided by a bug expert on Saturday at the first degree murder trial of the girl's mother Casey Anthony.
Caylee's skeleton was found in woods near their home on December 11, 2008 following a nationwide search.

Prosecutors said Casey smothered Caylee with duct tape wrapped around her head, nose and mouth. Defense lawyer Jose Baez contends Caylee accidentally drowned in the Anthony's backyard pool and that her death went unreported.

Entomologist Neal Haskell testified Caylee's body had completed a short, initial stage of decomposition before the body allegedly was placed in Casey's car trunk.

Haskell testified he based that conclusion on the remains of flies in a trash bag in the trunk. Haskell said he found only a single leg from the type of fly that feasts on a fresh body.

But Haskell said he found hundreds of eggs and adult specimens of another type of gnat-like fly which appears during the next stage of decomposition.

Haskell said the gnats were concentrated in stains on paper towels which were determined to be fluid consistent with human decomposition. Haskel said he believed the towels were used in an attempt to clean up a similar stain on the trunk's carpet.

Haskell estimated the body remained in the car trunk for up to five days, long enough for biochemical changes that attract the gnats, before being moved directly to the woods, likely in June or early July 2008.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
I see they are back to chewing gum.  They sure must feel entitled.  Rules never apply to them.  I do NOT feel sorry for C & G.



Hi DonFL... I feel the same way!!  My gut feeling, since day one of this senseless tragedy, is that they know way more than they are telling... JMHO though, however my gut feelings have usually been spot on!!   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
Haskell went through all that bag ,found a fly LEG ,and knew what kind of fly it came from. Think of that the next time you can't find your car keys or the remote.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 03:52:45 PM
Someone really needs to grab that screen shot of Casey doing the belly laugh during the trash v. garbage debate. She was showing her horse teeth, and it was so funny she had to grab her belly.

I never knew talking about maggots, blow flies and your daughter's decomp could be so amusing. I'm glad to hear the jurors had their eyeballs on her. Casey is a sickness. ::MonkeyNoNo::

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l600/blondeonahd1/Casey%20anthony%20trial%20pictures/fruteflys.jpg)
Blonde

 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::  OMGosh... Can't CJBP say something to her about her behavior?  Preferably in front of the jurors!!  I am steamin' mad!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 11, 2011, 04:06:10 PM
I see they are back to chewing gum.  They sure must feel entitled.  Rules never apply to them.  I do NOT feel sorry for C & G.



Hi DonFL... I feel the same way!!  My gut feeling, since day one of this senseless tragedy, is that they know way more than they are telling... JMHO though, however my gut feelings have usually been spot on!!   

Hi.  I totally agree with you.  It would not surprise me to learn they are working with Baez in some manner.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

BINGO!!

Could it be that Cindy also bought another Winnie the Pooh blanket for the same reason?

Janet

++++++

Cindy Anthony Talks To Investigators About Zanny, Caylee In Newly Released Interview
POSTED: 4:35 pm EDT September 26, 2008
UPDATED: 6:04 pm EDT September 26, 2008


<snipped>

But detective Yuri Melich confronted Cindy about withholding evidence that could lead to Caylee.

"I asked you for your credit card records. I still don't have it," Melich said.

"I gave you receipts," Cindy replied.

"You can't hold it back," Melich said.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html





Janet - Thanks for posting this!  Let's not forget, even though SinSin gave a gut-wrenching performance on the stand recently, this conversation with Yuri shows her true colors!!  She did some covering up, IMO.  Remember the brush? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: akmom on June 11, 2011, 04:15:32 PM
I think the Anthony's added pavers, concrete and at some point limed their yard.  Some was done around July 4, but don't know if all was done then.  There are really smart monkeys that probably have links to George's depo when he said this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 04:22:55 PM

9:50am Sat June 11, 2011 Court is in session.

Next states witness is Jennifer Welch, CSI.

 ::snipping2::

The witness is excused. Taking a recess till 11:30am.
 ::snipping2::



THANK YOU, MAGIC EYES!!!! Your very detailed updates are awesome and very much appreciated!!   ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 11, 2011, 04:24:08 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Do you have a link where the entire video can be viewed? TIA

I would like the link too-TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 04:24:47 PM
This is a cool animation. 

Hi Klaas... I am just catching up today... what is the animation of?  Is it posted anywhere?  Thanks :)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 04:27:55 PM
This is a cool animation. 

Hi Klaas... I am just catching up today... what is the animation of?  Is it posted anywhere?  Thanks :)

It was an animated flyover of the scene on Suburban.  I didn't get any screen caps but I'm hoping I can find the entire flyover video and post it.  Haven't seen it yet maybe someone else has.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 04:40:09 PM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He might claim the body really wasn't "hidden." When you factor in the grassy area along side the road, it's possible KC backed her car in and gave the laundry bag with Caylee's remains the old heave ho into the woods.  Based on measurements, the body couldn't have been more than 10' inside the vegetated area. God that girl is friggin lazy...

Sounds like something evil monster would do.  The mental picture I have of her doing this makes me so  ::MonkeyMad::!!

Does anyone remember if slore's cell phone "ping'd" in that area during the last two weeks of June? 




IIRC yes it did repeatedly......but that location is only a 5 minute walk from the Anthony home. So would ping on the same tower as home.

Thanks, Darla.  Makes sense...but now I feel the need to look at the list of pings...gonna go searching.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 04:43:03 PM
If Casey had pried up and removed a paver from the house, don't you think G and C would have noticed that as well?  It has never been mentioned by them, and no police report!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Didnt they do 'yard work' ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::

There were pavers used as the flooring to Caylees playhouse.  This is where I think the paver came from.
me too.. they also spread lime

And the lime is the reason in my opinion the dogs didn't hit when returned to the yard. IMO that was a deliberate attempt to cover up the murder. You only use lime in very wet areas of a yard which has a tendency to grow moss because the PH is off and then you use Lime is a treatment for your soil, not your grass,(as they told)  and the best time to use lime is only on the soil is when there's no grass on top of it. Lime helps neutralize acidic soil and does not help the grass as they claimed when unloading it from car. Also strange to me was it was put out in July - you apply lime in the fall. Really hot weather with lime can burn up your yard. Even if you do lime your yard, you do not use "quick lime" as George unloaded from his car as it is caustic. Quick lime is what we use to cover a cow with in the field as you bury it for fast decomposition.


Very interesting... Never knew that about the lime.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 04:43:22 PM
'Is that Casey Anthony's attorney?' Local lawyer resembles Jose Baez"
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/june/260985/Is-that-Casey-Anthonys-attorney-Local-lawyer-resembles-Jose-Baez


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 11, 2011, 04:43:26 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 04:43:30 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20317625/index.html 
3-D Movie Released In Anthony Case
The state attorney's office releases more documents in the case of Casey Anthony, who's accused of murdering her daughter, Caylee.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 04:44:31 PM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He might claim the body really wasn't "hidden." When you factor in the grassy area along side the road, it's possible KC backed her car in and gave the laundry bag with Caylee's remains the old heave ho into the woods.  Based on measurements, the body couldn't have been more than 10' inside the vegetated area. God that girl is friggin lazy...

Sounds like something evil monster would do.  The mental picture I have of her doing this makes me so  ::MonkeyMad::!!

Does anyone remember if slore's cell phone "ping'd" in that area during the last two weeks of June?  




IIRC yes it did repeatedly......but that location is only a 5 minute walk from the Anthony home. So would ping on the same tower as home.

Thanks, Darla.  Makes sense...but now I feel the need to look at the list of pings...gonna go searching.

Here you go............

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/cellphonepingslog-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 11, 2011, 04:47:46 PM
Klaas , Do we have the first three pictures in the slide show on this article? I don't know how to post them seperately.
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/june/260941/Day-16:-Bug-expert-compares-samples-in-Casey-Anthonys-car-Caylee-crime-scene


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 04:53:29 PM
Casey makes & recieves calls & texts through out the evening and into the early morning hours of June 16 2008. Last call is from Tony Lazzaro &
is answered at 3:08 am with the call disconnecting at 3:22 am. Casey makes one last text to Tony Lazzaro upon call disconnect 3:22 am.

No electronic activity from 3:22 am until 7:45 am

7:45 am The Anthony house phone is used to check Casey’s cell phone voice mail.

http://internetnewsnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/casey-anthonywhos-story-more-closely-matches-the-electronic-records/


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 11, 2011, 04:59:55 PM

Turbo, please can I have the link to the reflector site you mentioned? Thanks ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 05:03:09 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/11/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE75956Z20110611
Bug expert testifies Caylee Anthony's body was moved By Barbara Liston
ORLANDO, Fla | Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:17pm EDT

(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110611&t=2&i=435546174&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2011-06-11T191735Z_01_BTRE75A1HLH00_RTROPTP_0_CRIME-ANTHONY)
(Reuters) - The decomposing body of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony was moved twice according to a time line provided by a bug expert on Saturday at the first degree murder trial of the girl's mother Casey Anthony.
Caylee's skeleton was found in woods near their home on December 11, 2008 following a nationwide search.

Prosecutors said Casey smothered Caylee with duct tape wrapped around her head, nose and mouth. Defense lawyer Jose Baez contends Caylee accidentally drowned in the Anthony's backyard pool and that her death went unreported.


I snipped this quote...

So, according to the good Dr., Caylee's body was exposed to the environment during initial decomp stages, which allowed specific insects access to begin feeding on the body BEFORE being placed in the trunk of the sunfire, and then the body, in later stages of decomp was discarded in the swamp on Suburban Dr....

WTF? KC the baby killer had to have left Caylee's body somewhere in or around the A's during this intial decomp stage. Was she secretly hoping her parents would experience the pain of finding Caylee's bloating, rotting body in the playhouse? A shed? Under some garden fronds? What was she going to say? Well I thought Dad was watching her! What was George going to to say? BS I saw you and Caylee leave the house for work? Maybe KC didn't think it out at all, or maybe like bed partners, kept changing her mind.

So, let's assume Caylee died on June 16th. KC returns to the A's home, on the 18th and 19th, when everyone else is working a real job and she borrows a neighbors shovel to retrieve Caylee's body, because obviously her parents have yet to discover the body and the swarming flies are now becoming a problem...plan B, or is she on C now? Either way, it's now June 20-21.

Caylee's body, having been exposed for 2-3 days, is now placed in the trunk of the sunfire, where she continues to decompose for another 3-5days. Given the timeline above, Casey would have disposed of what was left of Caylee's body at the remains site sometime between June 23 and 26.

DING< DING< DING..

Let's not forget that KC tells Amy, on the 24th, she got rid of the origin (pretend plastered squirrel that george hit) and then she dumps the car at Amscot on the 27th. Did she really think the "smell" would just go away after she removed Caylee's body from the trunk...if so, she's dumber than a rock!



 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2011, 05:07:03 PM
This is a cool animation. 

Hi Klaas... I am just catching up today... what is the animation of?  Is it posted anywhere?  Thanks :)

It was an animated flyover of the scene on Suburban.  I didn't get any screen caps but I'm hoping I can find the entire flyover video and post it.  Haven't seen it yet maybe someone else has.

I'd seen it before but i don't remember where, I'm thinking maybe on Blink's site?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 05:10:01 PM
http://www.wftv.com/video/20321952/index.html
RAW VIDEO: 3-D Animations Released In Casey Anthony Case


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 05:11:12 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/20317625/index.html 
3-D Movie Released In Anthony Case
The state attorney's office releases more documents in the case of Casey Anthony, who's accused of murdering her daughter, Caylee.





Thanks Trimm!  Here is the video.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 11, 2011, 05:12:49 PM
See Casey....even flys try to raise their kids in the best environment.

LOVE this statement!  It could be on a tshirt!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 05:13:28 PM
This is a cool animation. 

Hi Klaas... I am just catching up today... what is the animation of?  Is it posted anywhere?  Thanks :)

It was an animated flyover of the scene on Suburban.  I didn't get any screen caps but I'm hoping I can find the entire flyover video and post it.  Haven't seen it yet maybe someone else has.

I'd seen it before but i don't remember where, I'm thinking maybe on Blink's site?

TM - that was a different one that I did or KCJackie did, don't remember now.  The one I just posted is the one shown in court today and was professionally done.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 05:15:30 PM
Casey makes & recieves calls & texts through out the evening and into the early morning hours of June 16 2008. Last call is from Tony Lazzaro &
is answered at 3:08 am with the call disconnecting at 3:22 am. Casey makes one last text to Tony Lazzaro upon call disconnect 3:22 am.

No electronic activity from 3:22 am until 7:45 am

7:45 am The Anthony house phone is used to check Casey’s cell phone voice mail.

http://internetnewsnow.wordpress.com/2011/06/07/casey-anthonywhos-story-more-closely-matches-the-electronic-records/


Thanks, Turbo... I just found them in the archives...I need to look at all of the pings for that entire week.  I have to run now... the family is getting restless!!  Have a great weekend, everyone!!

God Bless everyone here for loving Caylee!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: califmom on June 11, 2011, 05:18:30 PM


Thanks, Klaas & Trimm, for the animation video. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 11, 2011, 05:21:50 PM
A few of the talking heads are saying she'll get a lesser charge.  Let's say they're right (please no) if it is something like aggravated manslaughter what kind of time would she be facing?  Would the other charges of child neglect/endangering that she'll also get run concurrently?  Is it up to the jury how much time she'd get or the judge and can the judge over ride it?  I"m just so worried this monster is going to get a few years and that's it.

After what happened in the OJ trial my faith in justice is not 100% like it used to be. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2011, 05:23:21 PM
This is a cool animation. 

Hi Klaas... I am just catching up today... what is the animation of?  Is it posted anywhere?  Thanks :)

It was an animated flyover of the scene on Suburban.  I didn't get any screen caps but I'm hoping I can find the entire flyover video and post it.  Haven't seen it yet maybe someone else has.

I'd seen it before but i don't remember where, I'm thinking maybe on Blink's site?

Found it!   ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.wftv.com/video/20321952/index.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: texasmom on June 11, 2011, 05:24:37 PM
I should have read back first.   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 11, 2011, 05:24:38 PM
George is chewing his gum like crazy. Someone else was ejected from the courtroom for doing the same thing.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

...remember they are 'special' and get special treatment ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyRoll::
Not saying this is the case, but we recently lost an elderly neighbor on several antidepressants and anxiety meds.  She regularly chewed gum to alleviate "cotton mouth".  Likewise, she kept a drink on her end table throughout the day and one on her bedside table in the evening. Just guessing, but I think Cindy & George have probably been given a pass all along on the no gum rule for the same reasons. JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cecilita on June 11, 2011, 05:25:38 PM
Why is Bozo so interested in the distance from the road to where she was found?  I'm missing something.
He might claim the body really wasn't "hidden." When you factor in the grassy area along side the road, it's possible KC backed her car in and gave the laundry bag with Caylee's remains the old heave ho into the woods.  Based on measurements, the body couldn't have been more than 10' inside the vegetated area. God that girl is friggin lazy...

Sounds like something evil monster would do.  The mental picture I have of her doing this makes me so  ::MonkeyMad::!!

Does anyone remember if slore's cell phone "ping'd" in that area during the last two weeks of June?  




IIRC yes it did repeatedly......but that location is only a 5 minute walk from the Anthony home. So would ping on the same tower as home.

Thanks, Darla.  Makes sense...but now I feel the need to look at the list of pings...gonna go searching.

Here you go............

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/cellphonepingslog-1.jpg)
when was last time george saw caylee alive? he made a long call to casey the 16


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 11, 2011, 05:26:28 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::

Does anybody know what link Turbo is referring to?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 05:27:18 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/11/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE75956Z20110611
Bug expert testifies Caylee Anthony's body was moved By Barbara Liston
ORLANDO, Fla | Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:17pm EDT

(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110611&t=2&i=435546174&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2011-06-11T191735Z_01_BTRE75A1HLH00_RTROPTP_0_CRIME-ANTHONY)
(Reuters) - The decomposing body of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony was moved twice according to a time line provided by a bug expert on Saturday at the first degree murder trial of the girl's mother Casey Anthony.
Caylee's skeleton was found in woods near their home on December 11, 2008 following a nationwide search.

Prosecutors said Casey smothered Caylee with duct tape wrapped around her head, nose and mouth. Defense lawyer Jose Baez contends Caylee accidentally drowned in the Anthony's backyard pool and that her death went unreported.


I snipped this quote...

So, according to the good Dr., Caylee's body was exposed to the environment during initial decomp stages, which allowed specific insects access to begin feeding on the body BEFORE being placed in the trunk of the sunfire, and then the body, in later stages of decomp was discarded in the swamp on Suburban Dr....

WTF? KC the baby killer had to have left Caylee's body somewhere in or around the A's during this intial decomp stage. Was she secretly hoping her parents would experience the pain of finding Caylee's bloating, rotting body in the playhouse? A shed? Under some garden fronds? What was she going to say? Well I thought Dad was watching her! What was George going to to say? BS I saw you and Caylee leave the house for work? Maybe KC didn't think it out at all, or maybe like bed partners, kept changing her mind.

So, let's assume Caylee died on June 16th. KC returns to the A's home, on the 18th and 19th, when everyone else is working a real job and she borrows a neighbors shovel to retrieve Caylee's body, because obviously her parents have yet to discover the body and the swarming flies are now becoming a problem...plan B, or is she on C now? Either way, it's now June 20-21.

Caylee's body, having been exposed for 2-3 days, is now placed in the trunk of the sunfire, where she continues to decompose for another 3-5days. Given the timeline above, Casey would have disposed of what was left of Caylee's body at the remains site sometime between June 23 and 26.

DING< DING< DING..

Let's not forget that KC tells Amy, on the 24th, she got rid of the origin (pretend plastered squirrel that george hit) and then she dumps the car at Amscot on the 27th. Did she really think the "smell" would just go away after she removed Caylee's body from the trunk...if so, she's dumber than a rock!



 

June 24th...log

http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062408.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 11, 2011, 05:28:05 PM
I've never figured out why dump the body on land in that area . With all the swamps around.

My take, is that didn't want to encounter snakes(which I was told there's a lot of them there) and maybe alligators?

 ::MonkeyShocked::

And Caylee wasn't worth getting grossed out by snakes or getting her nails dirty.  I swear I loathe this woman!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 11, 2011, 05:30:54 PM


Thanks, Klaas & Trimm, for the animation video. 

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 11, 2011, 05:36:48 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)
IIRC, the cloth laundry bag was similar to one found in one of the bins of the right-hand shelving unit.  Anyone else notice the container of white hangers (right-hand shelving unit, second shelf down).  Thinking about the broken white hanger also found in Casey's car.  Hmmmmm.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 11, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcgarage.jpg)
Notice the yellow Arm & Hammer laundry detergent bottles at the base of the right-hand shelving unit.  I wonder what else Casey may have moved, "borrowed", or touched in that garage on the day she backed in.  Since it seems that Casey helped herself to a few items from the garage, one has to wonder what else she may used.  Wonder if the A's still have/ use that white laundry basket in the pic.  It's the right-size to hold a child while you move her from one area to another.  Not saying that happened, just thinking out loud here.  Obviously, Casey got the fabric softener sheets from somewhere too.  I have to wonder if she bagged Caylee in the garage and that's why drywall was reportedly taken from the garage.  JMO
Sorry guys!  Just got home and jumping in mid-stream here.  Good afternoon, everybody!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 05:52:29 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/11/us-crime-anthony-idUSTRE75956Z20110611
Bug expert testifies Caylee Anthony's body was moved By Barbara Liston
ORLANDO, Fla | Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:17pm EDT

(http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110611&t=2&i=435546174&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2011-06-11T191735Z_01_BTRE75A1HLH00_RTROPTP_0_CRIME-ANTHONY)
(Reuters) - The decomposing body of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony was moved twice according to a time line provided by a bug expert on Saturday at the first degree murder trial of the girl's mother Casey Anthony.
Caylee's skeleton was found in woods near their home on December 11, 2008 following a nationwide search.

Prosecutors said Casey smothered Caylee with duct tape wrapped around her head, nose and mouth. Defense lawyer Jose Baez contends Caylee accidentally drowned in the Anthony's backyard pool and that her death went unreported.


I snipped this quote...

So, according to the good Dr., Caylee's body was exposed to the environment during initial decomp stages, which allowed specific insects access to begin feeding on the body BEFORE being placed in the trunk of the sunfire, and then the body, in later stages of decomp was discarded in the swamp on Suburban Dr....

WTF? KC the baby killer had to have left Caylee's body somewhere in or around the A's during this intial decomp stage. Was she secretly hoping her parents would experience the pain of finding Caylee's bloating, rotting body in the playhouse? A shed? Under some garden fronds? What was she going to say? Well I thought Dad was watching her! What was George going to to say? BS I saw you and Caylee leave the house for work? Maybe KC didn't think it out at all, or maybe like bed partners, kept changing her mind.

So, let's assume Caylee died on June 16th. KC returns to the A's home, on the 18th and 19th, when everyone else is working a real job and she borrows a neighbors shovel to retrieve Caylee's body, because obviously her parents have yet to discover the body and the swarming flies are now becoming a problem...plan B, or is she on C now? Either way, it's now June 20-21.

Caylee's body, having been exposed for 2-3 days, is now placed in the trunk of the sunfire, where she continues to decompose for another 3-5days. Given the timeline above, Casey would have disposed of what was left of Caylee's body at the remains site sometime between June 23 and 26.

DING< DING< DING..

Let's not forget that KC tells Amy, on the 24th, she got rid of the origin (pretend plastered squirrel that george hit) and then she dumps the car at Amscot on the 27th. Did she really think the "smell" would just go away after she removed Caylee's body from the trunk...if so, she's dumber than a rock!



 

June 24th...log

http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062408.htm

Pharlap - Thanks for the link to the Calendar of 31 Days! I hadn't see that before. Please allow me tidy my above post....

June 24 - George reports his gas cans missing, KC shows up with them later in the day.

June 25 - Casey tells Amy her car smells bad....

June 27 - Branch manager at Amscot sees the white pontiac sunfire parked near the dumpster when she arrives for work at 7am on the 27th. No o

June 27 - KC tells Amy  "There was definitely part of a dead animal plastered to the frame of my car"



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 05:57:13 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)
IIRC, the cloth laundry bag was similar to one found in one of the bins of the right-hand shelving unit.  Anyone else notice the container of white hangers (right-hand shelving unit, second shelf down).  Thinking about the broken white hanger also found in Casey's car.  Hmmmmm.
Help please, I don't remember how the white hanger was broken. Can you please tell me how exactly it was broken? I.E. the hook, the middle where you would hang jeans, etc. TIA JSM


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 05:58:04 PM

June 24th...log

http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062408.htm

Pharlap - Thanks for the link to the Calendar of 31 Days! I hadn't see that before. Please allow me tidy my above post....

June 24 - George reports his gas cans missing, KC shows up with them later in the day.

June 25 - Casey tells Amy her car smells bad....

June 27 - Branch manager at Amscot sees the white pontiac sunfire parked near the dumpster when she arrives for work at 7am on the 27th. No o

June 27 - KC tells Amy  "There was definitely part of a dead animal plastered to the frame of my car"



WORK IN PROGRESS

UPDATE - JUNE 10, 2011

I have compiled backup to my following theory which encompasses "The Demise and Disposal of Caylee Marie" ... backup which was gleaned by official court testimony, police reports, interview transcript/videos and Casey's cell phone/communication  records - backup that I am willing to share upon request.

At any given moment ... my theory can change.

+++++
 
A THEORY IN A NUTSHELL - THE DEMISE AND DISPOSAL OF CAYLEE MARIE
 
July 16, 2008


1.  George observes Casey and Caylee leaving the home at 1:00 PM.  The understanding is that Casey will be going to her place of employment while Caylee is cared for by a nanny.
 
2.  Considering there is no place of employment and no nanny ... Casey returns to the Anthony home with Caylee at 2:30 PM following George departure's to work.
 
3.  Casey is on the computer up until 3:00 PM.

4.  Other than a 26 second call from George ... between 3:00 PM and 4:00 PM there is no activity on Casey's cell phone or computer.

5.  Caylee is administered a lethal dose of chloroforum and a cover up persues.

6.  Casey changes Caylee's clothes/pull up diaper which are soiled by either vomit or feces.
 
7.  Casey wraps duct tape around a deceased Caylee’s head to prevent a further escape of body fluids from mouth, nose and ears.  She then places a heart sticking on the duct tape..
 
8.  Casey wraps a deceased Caylee in her Winnie the Pooh blanket and places her daughter's body along with a plastic toy horse in two garbage bags and a laundry bag.
 
9.  Casey temporarily places her daughter's bagged body inside the backyard playhouse or in the trunk of her vehicle.

10:  In a 15 minute span between 4:00 PM and 4:15 PM ... Casey unsuccessfully attempts to contact her mother and father in a "flurry" of cell phone calls.
 
11.  Casey contacts Tony at 4:20 PM upon leaving the Anthony home.

12.  Casey arrives at Tony's place at 6:00 PM without Caylee. 
 
12.  Casey and Tony rent videos.  Casey then spends the evening and night at Tony's place watching videos.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey spends the day in bed with Tony.
 
 
June 18, 2008

1.  Casey returns home in the afternnon while parents are at work.

2.  She borrows a shovel from from neighbour.

2.  Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from temporary hiding place under the playhouse  or inside the trunk of her vehice.

3.  Casey buries her daughter under a concrete paver beneath the playhouse.  There task may have been accomplished with assistance from Lee.


June 23, 2008

1.  Casey returns home accompanied by Tony.

2.  Tony breaks into the shed.

3.  Casey takes gas can/s from the shed.

4.  Tony places gas can/s inside the trunk of Casey's vehicel.

5.  Tony revealed that he did not detect a foul smell.
 

June 24, 2008

1.  Casey returns home at a time she expects both parents to be at work ... at a time her mother believes she and Caylee are in Jacksonville.  However … an afternoon appointment finds her father home.
 
2.  When confronted by George ...  Casey claims she is there to pick up clothes.

3.  Casey returns gas can/s which she insists on taking from the trunk of her vehicle.

3.  George observes a blue bin in the open trunk but does not detect a foul odor.

4.  Casey leaves but ... returns later.

5.  With assistance from Lee ...Casey Casey retrieves a deceased Caylee from under the concrete paver beneath the playhouse and … places her daughter’s bagged remains in the blue bin inside the trunk of her vehicle.
 
4.  A foul order implies that Casey quickly disposes of her daughter’s remains very close to home in a familiar location where an eventual discovery is made by a meter reader.
 
5.  The bags containing Caylee remains had been compromised and body decomposition had leaked into the trunk of her vehicle in the tranferring process result in a foul odor.

 
June 25-27, 2008

1.  For 2 1/2 days ... Casey complains of the foul odor to Amy.
 
 
June 27, 2008

1.  Casey abandons her vehicle.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 06:26:19 PM
Jmo.
I don't think that was kc's 1st choice, where Caylee was found.
Think she was waiting for Tony to go on his trip, then that his truck and drive much further out.

I believe kc didn't anticipate the smell.
We all know she didn't anticipate George being home on the 24th.

That's when she had to start thinking "where was she going to put Caylee rather fast".


 ::boxingcasey2::






Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 06:27:34 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)
IIRC, the cloth laundry bag was similar to one found in one of the bins of the right-hand shelving unit.  Anyone else notice the container of white hangers (right-hand shelving unit, second shelf down).  Thinking about the broken white hanger also found in Casey's car.  Hmmmmm.
Help please, I don't remember how the white hanger was broken. Can you please tell me how exactly it was broken? I.E. the hook, the middle where you would hang jeans, etc. TIA JSM
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/258201/Bag-of-trash,-cadaver-dogs-top-latest-testimony-against-Casey-Anthony (http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/258201/Bag-of-trash,-cadaver-dogs-top-latest-testimony-against-Casey-Anthony)

(http://www.baynews9.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-trash-4-0607.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cece5300 on June 11, 2011, 06:27:38 PM
Quote
A few of the talking heads are saying she'll get a lesser charge.  Let's say they're right (please no) if it is something like aggravated manslaughter what kind of time would she be facing?  Would the other charges of child neglect/endangering that she'll also get run concurrently?  Is it up to the jury how much time she'd get or the judge and can the judge over ride it?  I"m just so worried this monster is going to get a few years and that's it.

After what happened in the OJ trial my faith in justice is not 100% like it used to be. 

I'd like to know the answer to this as well....I just want justice for Caylee SO BADLY (as all of us monkees do!) but it just seems that so many others outside don't care or don't see the importance and it hurts my heart...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 06:30:14 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 06:32:35 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)
IIRC, the cloth laundry bag was similar to one found in one of the bins of the right-hand shelving unit.  Anyone else notice the container of white hangers (right-hand shelving unit, second shelf down).  Thinking about the broken white hanger also found in Casey's car.  Hmmmmm.
Help please, I don't remember how the white hanger was broken. Can you please tell me how exactly it was broken? I.E. the hook, the middle where you would hang jeans, etc. TIA JSM

Was it inside a bag when it was collected?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?

I would think the dog would go nuts if that was the case.
Cindy has one or 2 dogs?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 06:35:28 PM
wasn't all the garbage taken from Casey's car garbage from Tony's apartment? like she put the garbage in there when leaving his apartment to take it to the dumpster? and then didn't dump it at the dumpster? the hanger could have been from his apartment ...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 06:37:32 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?

I would think the dog would go nuts if that was the case.
Cindy has one or 2 dogs?

probably...but they didn't alert them to the play house area either where it is thought that Caylee could have been too...
just throwing it out there cause at this point, anything could be possible..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: New Monkey on June 11, 2011, 06:39:16 PM
OK think of what Baez said in his objection to the pics of Casey's room ... she had not lived in the home for 6 months. It is the defense's premise that Caylee drown, yes I know its BS, but we must prove its BS. So if Caylee wondered out to the pool in the AM as others were sleeping ... I though KC did not live in the home? From what Baez just stated.

Yet she had access to the house, including the shed which Baez made a point to say there was a lock on. Well of course KC had access to shed she took the gas cans.

The duct tape is a loser as all the State was doing was entering it into evidence, they will be explaining it later when the tie it altogther. It is shameful that Casey and Baez are trying to pin this all on George. If she was my daughter, she might as well be found guilty because she would be already dead to me.

BBM.  I agree with you.  I love my daughter more than life itself, but if she were to (God help me) turn out like Casey, I'd be done with her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 06:42:33 PM
wasn't all the garbage taken from Casey's car garbage from Tony's apartment? like she put the garbage in there when leaving his apartment to take it to the dumpster? and then didn't dump it at the dumpster? the hanger could have been from his apartment ...

Jmo..Think she just put the bags on top of a dead Caylee, to hide her perhaps from sight if the trunk were to be opened.  sry gross.
 ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 06:45:14 PM
wasn't all the garbage taken from Casey's car garbage from Tony's apartment? like she put the garbage in there when leaving his apartment to take it to the dumpster? and then didn't dump it at the dumpster? the hanger could have been from his apartment ...

Jmo..Think she just put the bags on top of a dead Caylee, to hide her perhaps from sight if the trunk were to be opened.  sry gross.
 ::boxingcasey2::

And to mask the odor


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 06:45:38 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?

I would think the dog would go nuts if that was the case.
Cindy has one or 2 dogs?

probably...but they didn't alert them to the play house area either where it is thought that Caylee could have been too...
just throwing it out there cause at this point, anything could be possible..

I'm talking about Cindy's pet dog/dogs...Not the police dogs.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 06:48:25 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?

I would think the dog would go nuts if that was the case.
Cindy has one or 2 dogs?

probably...but they didn't alert them to the play house area either where it is thought that Caylee could have been too...
just throwing it out there cause at this point, anything could be possible..

I'm talking about Cindy's pet dog/dogs...Not the police dogs.

me too...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 11, 2011, 06:50:45 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?

I would think the dog would go nuts if that was the case.
Cindy has one or 2 dogs?

probably...but they didn't alert them to the play house area either where it is thought that Caylee could have been too...
just throwing it out there cause at this point, anything could be possible..

I'm talking about Cindy's pet dog/dogs...Not the police dogs.

me too...

If I remember correctly, Cindy didn't allow them in the back yard, so Caylee won't step on poo or urine.  Anyone correct me if I got this wrong.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 06:57:05 PM
A number of people have slandered George outside of court on various TV shows and he could certainly file a lawsuit for that, but I note he hasn't.

---
George is a public figure now whether he likes it or not. He falls under the category of Michael Jackson.
With all he's got going on right now in life - he'd be better off doing yard work or doing some dirty dishes
than thinking of suing people.

I highly suspected him of being a molester, long before Casey started leaking it or the defense threw him under a bus.

Incestual families have a very loose grasp on proper boundaries. George cutting the cord. eewwwww still makes me do
the icky dance - even to type it. George getting his ears pierced for Casey. I could also tell very early on in this
case he was very confused as to what he was, a father or grandfather. He showed it in his OVER EMPHASIS of the words,
which of course means it is highly sensitive to him and that he get it right.

I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

You ain't fooled me, grandpa. I gots my eyeball on you twinkle toes. ::MonkeyEek::

I believe an overwhelming majority of George's problems have started at his zipper and then radiated outward.

Little JoJo said to Big JoJo "Hey, we should have some funny times." It's what happens when you don't go to
work all day and sit around watching Caylee's Veggie Tales DVD's ... BY YOURSELF.

Again: I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: BabsKats on June 11, 2011, 07:00:10 PM
Senior moment here, sorry.....but where were the paper towels  located that they were referring to today, the ones with decomp etc. on?

 Are they the ones in the trash bag shown in previous pic exhibit?   

If so wouldn't the entire trash smell of decomp as it was contained in plastic trash bag?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cecilita on June 11, 2011, 07:03:12 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?
could be hidden in Tonys house.....we really do not know ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 07:04:53 PM
for all any of us know, Casey could have kept a deceased Caylee in her bedroom hidden under her bed or in the closet just for a couple of days or until she came back home and had to do something else with the body...who knows ?
could be hidden in Tonys house.....we really do not know ::boxingcasey2::

yep...and we will never know..Casey will never tell what happened and who could/would believe her anyways?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 11, 2011, 07:09:37 PM
Carpe...  ::MonkeyKiss::  ......this time I have to disagree, and I'll leave it at that, lol.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 07:13:19 PM
Carpe...  ::MonkeyKiss::  ......this time I have to disagree, and I'll leave it at that, lol.

me too... ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 11, 2011, 07:16:17 PM
Just saw a show:  Casey Anthony Trial on MSNBC.
Shows again tomorrow (Sunday) at 5 pm and again at 8 pm.
Just FYI.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 11, 2011, 07:17:38 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
If Joran van der Sloot's parents had the insight of Natalee Holloway's uncle ... the life of Stephany Flores would have been spared.  Instead Anita and Paulus made the choice to protect their son and ... lessons not learned from accepting the consequences of choosing to disregard the boundaries of a civilized society implied that other "Natalees"  were at risk.

I hope Cindy and George grow a brain and realize that abetting Casey in wrongdoing is not the solution.

Janet

+++++

TWO YEARS PRIOR TO THE MURDER OF STEPHANY FLORES

private eye
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #749 4/24 -
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2008, 12:38:30 PM »


I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of the rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 07:21:47 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.

Welcome to the cage Aurelia7!

 ::HelloKitty::

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 07:23:23 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)
IIRC, the cloth laundry bag was similar to one found in one of the bins of the right-hand shelving unit.  Anyone else notice the container of white hangers (right-hand shelving unit, second shelf down).  Thinking about the broken white hanger also found in Casey's car.  Hmmmmm.
Help please, I don't remember how the white hanger was broken. Can you please tell me how exactly it was broken? I.E. the hook, the middle where you would hang jeans, etc. TIA JSM
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/258201/Bag-of-trash,-cadaver-dogs-top-latest-testimony-against-Casey-Anthony (http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/258201/Bag-of-trash,-cadaver-dogs-top-latest-testimony-against-Casey-Anthony)

(http://www.baynews9.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-trash-4-0607.jpg)
  ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank you Klaas!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: One time I was cleaning out my closet of clothes and the bag was heavy. I had those tie bags like poor Caylee was put in. I tried to use a coat hanger just like that to carry the bad down stairs and had the tie strings attatched to the the hook of the hanger. It (the hook) snapped off mid way down the stairs. That is why I was asking.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 07:27:41 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: VinceVixen on June 11, 2011, 07:28:47 PM
Carpe...  ::MonkeyKiss::  ......this time I have to disagree, and I'll leave it at that, lol.

me too... ::MonkeyKiss::

George is NOT like Michael Jackson! (I'm an MJ fan BTW)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 07:29:07 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.

Welcome Aurelia!  No FAQ list sorry.  If I'm not mistaken it was juror #4 that didn't believe in the death penalty. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 07:31:08 PM
Anthony garage on 12/11/2008

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2465/5821619446_7747680088_b.jpg)
IIRC, the cloth laundry bag was similar to one found in one of the bins of the right-hand shelving unit.  Anyone else notice the container of white hangers (right-hand shelving unit, second shelf down).  Thinking about the broken white hanger also found in Casey's car.  Hmmmmm.
Help please, I don't remember how the white hanger was broken. Can you please tell me how exactly it was broken? I.E. the hook, the middle where you would hang jeans, etc. TIA JSM
http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/258201/Bag-of-trash,-cadaver-dogs-top-latest-testimony-against-Casey-Anthony (http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/2011/june/258201/Bag-of-trash,-cadaver-dogs-top-latest-testimony-against-Casey-Anthony)

(http://www.baynews9.com/static/articles/images/news2011/casey-anthony-trash-4-0607.jpg)
  ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank you Klaas!!!!!!!!!!  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: One time I was cleaning out my closet of clothes and the bag was heavy. I had those tie bags like poor Caylee was put in. I tried to use a coat hanger just like that to carry the bad down stairs and had the tie strings attatched to the the hook of the hanger. It (the hook) snapped off mid way down the stairs. That is why I was asking.
Edit should be bag


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 07:35:11 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: BabsKats on June 11, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.
Welcome to the cage Aureilia  --- Juror # 4 aka Farmville lady, stated she couldn't judge others, didn't believe in the DP, etc.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 07:41:25 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.
Welcome Aureia7!

If you could list the abbreviations in questions, I'm sure we could help you out.  We use many here, that's for sure.  Maybe some key players could be a start....

CJBP - Chief Justice Belvin Perry
JA  -    Jeff Ashton
LDB  -  Linda Drane Burdick
FG   -   Frank George


JB  -  Jose Baez - also Bozo, Bumbles, azzhat, Tweedle Dum, etc.  There are so many, I can't think of them all.  I'm sure the blanks will be filled in.
CM -  Cheney Mason - also Mumbles, Colonel Crusty etc.
DCS - Dorothy Clay Simms - Brillo Head, ICA's babysitter and coddler
LKB -  Linda Kenney Baden - no longer on the DT(Defense Team/Dream Team) but still spreading falsities on air
AL  -  Andrea Lyon  - no longer on the DT(Defense Team/Dream Team)

GA - George Anthony
CA - Cindy Anthony - SINdy, Spindy
LA -  Lee Anthony  -  Tubesocks

That's a start.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 07:46:03 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.

I thought maybe KC used the hanger to try and move Caylee's body around, either into one of the many bags in or in the trunk of the car and the hanger broke. So, she went and borrowed a neighbor's shovel to get the job done....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 07:47:05 PM
I am going to force myself to watch Geraldo tonight to see what the assjack has to say about the "beautiful Casey that everyone is trying to kill"... ::boxinggeraldo2::  to see if he really has changed his view point now that he has really paid some attention to the case...Judge Jeanine is on right before him..she tells it like it is about Casey Ho usually...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 07:48:21 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Does anybody know what link Turbo is referring to?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 07:49:19 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 07:49:29 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.

I thought maybe KC used the hanger to try and move Caylee's body around, either into one of the many bags in or in the trunk of the car and the hanger broke. So, she went and borrowed a neighbor's shovel to get the job done....

Oh, oh....light bulb moment ::MonkeyHaHa::

The hanger broke when KC got it caught on "garbage bags" in her trunk and in the process the bags tore releasing decomp fluids into the trunk....maybe.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 07:52:16 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

o/t I left you a message in the other Caylee thread...break room I think it is called..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 07:52:59 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.
Welcome Aureia7!

If you could list the abbreviations in questions, I'm sure we could help you out.  We use many here, that's for sure.  Maybe some key players could be a start....

CJBP - Chief Justice Belvin Perry
JA  -    Jeff Ashton
LDB  -  Linda Drane Burdick
FG   -   Frank George


JB  -  Jose Baez - also Bozo, Bumbles, azzhat, Tweedle Dum, etc.  There are so many, I can't think of them all.  I'm sure the blanks will be filled in.
CM -  Cheney Mason - also Mumbles, Colonel Crusty etc.
DCS - Dorothy Clay Simms - Brillo Head, ICA's babysitter and coddler
LKB -  Linda Kenney Baden - no longer on the DT(Defense Team/Dream Team) but still spreading falsities on air
AL  -  Andrea Lyon  - no longer on the DT(Defense Team/Dream Team)

GA - George Anthony
CA - Cindy Anthony - SINdy, Spindy
LA -  Lee Anthony  -  Tubesocks

That's a start.
Thanks!  I added to the beginning of Monday's trial thread!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 07:58:26 PM
My split screen isn't working. 
I have had problems all day storms here..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 08:00:28 PM
That is because the roll of duct tape that was used on the gas can and Caylee was taken by Casey.  That is why the roll is not found in the house.  The roll was probably kept in the SHED.
Didn't Casey get some from one of her friends also??


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 08:01:14 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-casey-anthony-trial-insects-found/story?id=13819614
Casey Anthony Trial: Insects Found in Car Associated With Decomposition
By JESSICA HOPPER
June 11, 2011


Video at link
An entomology expert testified today that the insects found in Casey Anthony's car were often associated with decomposition.
"All of these were consistent with extended post mortem remains," said Neal Haskell, a forensic science professor at St. Joseph's College in Indiana.

Florida mother Casey Anthony is accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. She is charged with first degree murder and could face the death penalty if convicted.

Haskell's testimony seem to support the prosecution's theory that Caylee's body was in the trunk of Casey's car for three to five days.

This contradicts the defense, which has been building its case on an accidental drowning for the cause of death of Caylee.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.

I thought maybe KC used the hanger to try and move Caylee's body around, either into one of the many bags in or in the trunk of the car and the hanger broke. So, she went and borrowed a neighbor's shovel to get the job done....

Oh, oh....light bulb moment ::MonkeyHaHa::

The hanger broke when KC got it caught on "garbage bags" in her trunk and in the process the bags tore releasing decomp fluids into the trunk....maybe.
Possibly, I was thinking her trying not to get her hands dirty or finger prints so she grabbed the yellow ties and trying to yank the bag out of the trunk. That is when the bag(s) tore open. IDK, I just know I have tried to tote a heavy bag down by a plastic hanger and it broke just like the one in evidence.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 08:03:28 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.

I thought maybe KC used the hanger to try and move Caylee's body around, either into one of the many bags in or in the trunk of the car and the hanger broke. So, she went and borrowed a neighbor's shovel to get the job done....

Oh, oh....light bulb moment ::MonkeyHaHa::

The hanger broke when KC got it caught on "garbage bags" in her trunk and in the process the bags tore releasing decomp fluids into the trunk....maybe.
Possibly, I was thinking her trying not to get her hands dirty or finger prints so she grabbed the yellow ties and trying to yank the bag out of the trunk. That is when the bag(s) tore open. IDK, I just know I have tried to tote a heavy bag down by a plastic hanger and it broke just like the one in evidence.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

makes perfect sense to me JSM..I have actually done the same thing but didn't think of it until you mentioned it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 11, 2011, 08:04:25 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/11/casey-anthony-trial-bug-e_n_875457.html
Casey Anthony Trial: Bug Expert Says Evidence In Car Consistent With Decomposition
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/289959/thumbs/r-CASEY-ANTHONY-large570.jpg)
First Posted: 06/11/11 07:22 PM ET Updated: 06/11/11 07:48 PM ET
Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla.-- Caylee Anthony's skull and most of the rest of her remains were 19 feet from the road when they were found, a crime scene investigator testified Saturday.

Defense attorney Jose Baez demonstrated the remains were virtually steps from the road, nearly the same distance as the jury from the defense table, by stretching a tape measure across the courtroom. That testimony that the scene was easily accessible from the road could be significant because defense attorneys claim the meter reader who found the remains tampered with them.

The defense has said that the 2-year-old girl accidentally drowned in her grandparents' swimming pool.
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 08:04:57 PM
Carpe...  ::MonkeyKiss::  ......this time I have to disagree, and I'll leave it at that, lol.

me too... ::MonkeyKiss::

Me three & no, he's not in the same category of Michael Jackson or any other celebrity.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 08:06:09 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.

I thought maybe KC used the hanger to try and move Caylee's body around, either into one of the many bags in or in the trunk of the car and the hanger broke. So, she went and borrowed a neighbor's shovel to get the job done....

Oh, oh....light bulb moment ::MonkeyHaHa::

The hanger broke when KC got it caught on "garbage bags" in her trunk and in the process the bags tore releasing decomp fluids into the trunk....maybe.
Possibly, I was thinking her trying not to get her hands dirty or finger prints so she grabbed the yellow ties and trying to yank the bag out of the trunk. That is when the bag(s) tore open. IDK, I just know I have tried to tote a heavy bag down by a plastic hanger and it broke just like the one in evidence.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

makes perfect sense to me JSM..I have actually done the same thing but didn't think of it until you mentioned it...
  ::MonkeyAngel:: Thank you Cookie, thought I was the only one that has ever done it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 08:07:49 PM
is it possible that we can attribute the pictures in our records to where they came from **ABOVE** the pictures.  They're from CayleeDaily who attributes them to Joe Burbank from Orlando Sentinel. There's some nastiness going on about how we're 'ruining the trial', etc.  People won't use their eyes, and I think it might cause problems if we don't clearly attribute them to the truly responsible party for the graphic photos.  Thanks.

I don't understand this post.

Most of our pics come from the trial on TV.

Others have been attributed to crankycrankerson who told us we could use her shots..and she has been given credit.

Which pics on here?

And how are we ruining the trial? 

I am lost can yuo please explain further?

I'd love to further explain.

People who say we are "ruining" the case - are idiots.  They're the ones who didn't read the one statement sayign that the pictures were from CayleeDaily.  They also didn't go to CayleeDaily and see that the pictures came from Burbank.

That being said, I thought that when we brought photos over from another online source, not from the screen, and I'm talking ***strictly*** about the graphic photos here, that we were supposed to attribute the source.

Again ---->  I am talking about the graphic photos.  The skeleton, the hair matt, the ones that came from CayleeDaily but not every post attributes them as such.



I always credit the poster of the pictures I use,  just saying..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:09:44 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2011/06/11/casey-anthony-murder-trial-day-16-3-d-animated-flyover-video-of-the-crime-scene-where-caylee-was-found-on-suburban-drive-orlando-fl-dec-11-2008/

Casey Anthony Murder Trial Day 16: 3-D Animated Flyover VIDEO of the Crime Scene Where Caylee was Found on Suburban Drive Orlando, FL – Dec 11, 2008


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 08:10:23 PM
I don't know why the plastic hanger just popped into my mind when Ispy posted the question. I hope I didn't offend or was off topic about it. Sometimes my mind just goes to something that has happened to me, so that is why I was wondering.

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:11:07 PM
I don't know why the plastic hanger just popped into my mind when Ispy posted the question. I hope I didn't offend or was off topic about it. Sometimes my mind just goes to something that has happened to me, so that is why I was wondering.

 ::MonkeyBike::

It was a great observation and I hadn't thought of it. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 08:16:03 PM
Blonde, thank you for all the picutres you post!!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 11, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
I don't know why the plastic hanger just popped into my mind when Ispy posted the question. I hope I didn't offend or was off topic about it. Sometimes my mind just goes to something that has happened to me, so that is why I was wondering.

 ::MonkeyBike::

It was a great observation and I hadn't thought of it. 
  ::MonkeyAngel:: Thank you Klaas.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 08:19:55 PM
Here's a few more common abbreviations:

DP-death penalty
LWOP - life without parole
SA - State attorney

IIRC - if I recall correctly
BBM - bold by me
^5 - high five
ITA - I totally agree


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:21:53 PM
Thanks Capp - I'll add those to the others


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 08:24:16 PM
I don't know why the plastic hanger just popped into my mind when Ispy posted the question. I hope I didn't offend or was off topic about it. Sometimes my mind just goes to something that has happened to me, so that is why I was wondering.

 ::MonkeyBike::
JSM, I betcha that the hangar scenario has happened to many of us.. What a great catch by you!!! Hiding in plain sight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 11, 2011, 08:24:21 PM
Thanks guys, for the warm welcome!  And thanks for the list of abbreviations as well.  I know there are others that I've seen but memory fails me as I type this, so I'll have to compile a list.  One that comes to mind is "LE"

Re juror #4, I thought that a potential juror not believing in the death penalty resulted immediate dismissal from jury duty, especially in a DP case.  I'm pretty sure that's how it works in California...not sure about Florida laws.

Also, I'm wondering about the importance of whether or not the jurors spend a lot/or little time looking at Casey Anthony?  I've seen mention of it many times but no clear indicator of whether it's favorable or not.  I'm starting to think that the less they look at her indicates that they have already made up their minds.  (Guilty)

And...I'd like to float another theory about that broken hanger:  Perhaps it was used as a make-shift handle for a tourniquet?  Something similar to that of the paintbrush handle used as leverage or a crank like the one used to strangle Jon Benet.  The missing part of the hanger would have been inserted into whatever material was tied around the neck and the remaining part of the hanger would act as a crank.  This would make sense if CA did indeed do a search for "neck breaking" as alleged.  And if so, she probably didn't realize that unlike wood, plastic would break.  Hence the broken hanger.  Thoughts?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
I gotta say that today has brought excellent points to the surface.

The clothes Caylee was found wearing (or had been wearing) do not make sense with the defense's story of drowning. She was not in a swim suit and neither George nor Casey would have "buried" her in that outfit.

The shovel was used to pry up the pavers from the Ant's home, that were then found at the remains site.
That would explain the short time Casey had the neighbor's shovel, the pavers at the remains site (to weight down the bag Caylee was in), and perhaps C&G's work in the backyard.

We also got to see a matching laundry bag to the one Caylee was found in, from the Ant's garage. Pictures of matching garbage bags were also entered into evidence.

The State's doing a great job........... and so are the Monkeys!!     ::justice2NJ::

The heart sticker is also apparently coming in! Pictures of heart stickers were entered into evidence!




I have missed all this is this a fact that Casey used  the neighbor's shovel,  to put the pavers at the remains site..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 11, 2011, 08:29:49 PM
Does anyone know if casey could get a new trial if it came out later she had a personal relationship with Baez, sexual when she was free when she went to his office?
were they alone? I believe they were?
then with all the pics of casey and baez touching? and the repeated warnings from the jail to stop hugging and sitting close?
and Bill Schaffers < spell... views on the jealiousy of casey of joses wife ect and her crush? and as he said also " It IS UNUSUAL for an attorney to TOUCH his client"

I know the judge asked casey repeatedly if she wanted jose as her attorney? she said yes many times on record.

But under the above circumstances ... how can that go and how many directions?



 He had gotten in trouble for touching her


This mostly is from Janet

Jose Baez Repeatedly Told To Stop Touching Casey During Jail Visits
 Friday, October 31, 2008 – updated: 10:14 am EDT October 31, 2008

http://www.wftv.com/news/17854568/detail.html


 Bar To Investigate Baez For Hugging Casey In Jail
 Friday, October 31, 2008 – updated: 5:23 pm EDT October 31, 2008

http://www.wftv.com/news/17859993/detail.html#-


 Florida Bar: No investigation into hugging incidents
 Last Edited: Friday, 31 Oct 2008, 9:49 PM EDT
 Created: Friday, 31 Oct 2008, 7:39 AM EDT

 ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez will face no disciplinary action from the Florida Bar for his jailhouse incident with client Casey Anthony .

 According to published reports, Baez was under investigation from the Bar. But spokesperson Susannah Lyle said that hugs are permitted by their rules between attorney and client as long as the client does not object.

 According to Lyle, a Bar Association rule must be broken in order for there to be an investigation. At this point there is no Florida Bar investigation into the incidents.

 Jail officials said Casey Anthony and her defense attorney, Jose Baez, were seen hugging on two separate occasions and were told both times that it was a violation of jail policy.

 Though there is no surveillance video that would show the two hugging, jail officials confirm seeing the two touch on two different times.

 The jail released the following statement:

 Mr. Baez was observed hugging his client on two occasions. He was advised that this is a violation of jail policy. After the second incident, he was again advised of the policy and said he would remember in future visits not to engage in this behavior. Orange County Corrections considers this a closed matter."No officers had to go into the room to separate the two, and the jail says the matter has been closed by the Corrections Department

 Casey remains behind bars at the Orange County Jail without bond. She is scheduled for a pretrial on a first-degree murder charge in December.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=7762172&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:31:15 PM
I gotta say that today has brought excellent points to the surface.

The clothes Caylee was found wearing (or had been wearing) do not make sense with the defense's story of drowning. She was not in a swim suit and neither George nor Casey would have "buried" her in that outfit.

The shovel was used to pry up the pavers from the Ant's home, that were then found at the remains site.
That would explain the short time Casey had the neighbor's shovel, the pavers at the remains site (to weight down the bag Caylee was in), and perhaps C&G's work in the backyard.

We also got to see a matching laundry bag to the one Caylee was found in, from the Ant's garage. Pictures of matching garbage bags were also entered into evidence.

The State's doing a great job........... and so are the Monkeys!!     ::justice2NJ::

The heart sticker is also apparently coming in! Pictures of heart stickers were entered into evidence!




I have missed all this is this a fact that Casey used  the neighbor's shovel,  to put the pavers at the remains site..

Fact she borrowed the shovel - what she did with it is a guess and not fact.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 08:31:56 PM
Thanks Capp - I'll add those to the others

MOO - My Opinion Only

...For the longest time I thought I had accidently stumbled onto the "Scared Cow" site...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:33:10 PM
Thanks guys, for the warm welcome!  And thanks for the list of abbreviations as well.  I know there are others that I've seen but memory fails me as I type this, so I'll have to compile a list.  One that comes to mind is "LE"

Re juror #4, I thought that a potential juror not believing in the death penalty resulted immediate dismissal from jury duty, especially in a DP case.  I'm pretty sure that's how it works in California...not sure about Florida laws.

Also, I'm wondering about the importance of whether or not the jurors spend a lot/or little time looking at Casey Anthony?  I've seen mention of it many times but no clear indicator of whether it's favorable or not.  I'm starting to think that the less they look at her indicates that they have already made up their minds.  (Guilty)

And...I'd like to float another theory about that broken hanger:  Perhaps it was used as a make-shift handle for a tourniquet?  Something similar to that of the paintbrush handle used as leverage or a crank like the one used to strangle Jon Benet.  The missing part of the hanger would have been inserted into whatever material was tied around the neck and the remaining part of the hanger would act as a crank.  This would make sense if CA did indeed do a search for "neck breaking" as alleged.  And if so, she probably didn't realize that unlike wood, plastic would break.  Hence the broken hanger.  Thoughts?

Hanger/neck - I'd think possible if the medical examiner mentioned any signs of strangulation like injury to neck bones but she did not.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 08:33:25 PM
Thanks guys, for the warm welcome!  And thanks for the list of abbreviations as well.  I know there are others that I've seen but memory fails me as I type this, so I'll have to compile a list.  One that comes to mind is "LE"

Re juror #4, I thought that a potential juror not believing in the death penalty resulted immediate dismissal from jury duty, especially in a DP case.  I'm pretty sure that's how it works in California...not sure about Florida laws.

Also, I'm wondering about the importance of whether or not the jurors spend a lot/or little time looking at Casey Anthony?  I've seen mention of it many times but no clear indicator of whether it's favorable or not.  I'm starting to think that the less they look at her indicates that they have already made up their minds.  (Guilty)

And...I'd like to float another theory about that broken hanger:  Perhaps it was used as a make-shift handle for a tourniquet?  Something similar to that of the paintbrush handle used as leverage or a crank like the one used to strangle Jon Benet.  The missing part of the hanger would have been inserted into whatever material was tied around the neck and the remaining part of the hanger would act as a crank.  This would make sense if CA did indeed do a search for "neck breaking" as alleged.  And if so, she probably didn't realize that unlike wood, plastic would break.  Hence the broken hanger.  Thoughts?

Welcome Aurelia...

LE would be Law Enforcement


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:33:28 PM
Hello everyone.  I'm new here but have read every page of the last three trial threads in an attempt to catch up and I have a few questions:

1)  Why do some seem to think that juror #4 might present a problem?

2)  Is there a FAQ here in which to decipher some of the abbreviations used?  (I suppose I'll catch on eventually, as I finally figured out that ICA = Inmate Casey Anthony, but a list would be very useful.)

I'd also like to add that I appreciate how knowledgeable you all are about this case.  I've learned more here than I'd hoped and your opinions are enlightening.  And special kudos to Magic Hands Eyes, as those transcriptions are beyond valuable.
Welcome Aureia7!

If you could list the abbreviations in questions, I'm sure we could help you out.  We use many here, that's for sure.  Maybe some key players could be a start....

CJBP - Chief Justice Belvin Perry
JA  -    Jeff Ashton
LDB  -  Linda Drane Burdick
FG   -   Frank George


JB  -  Jose Baez - also Bozo, Bumbles, azzhat, Tweedle Dum, etc.  There are so many, I can't think of them all.  I'm sure the blanks will be filled in.
CM -  Cheney Mason - also Mumbles, Colonel Crusty etc.
DCS - Dorothy Clay Simms - Brillo Head, ICA's babysitter and coddler
LKB -  Linda Kenney Baden - no longer on the DT(Defense Team/Dream Team) but still spreading falsities on air
AL  -  Andrea Lyon  - no longer on the DT(Defense Team/Dream Team)

GA - George Anthony
CA - Cindy Anthony - SINdy, Spindy
LA -  Lee Anthony  -  Tubesocks

That's a start.

OMG, my girlfriend just read this and called me and I can't repeat what she said...but suggested we might all need to seek help!!! ::MonkeyDevil::  IT is pretty sad when you look at it from the outside looking in!! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:33:58 PM
Thanks Capp - I'll add those to the others

MOO - My Opinion Only

...For the longest time I thought I had accidently stumbled onto the "Scared Cow" site...
Will add that one too, thanks!
 ::CowWave::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:34:50 PM
I am going to force myself to watch Geraldo tonight to see what the assjack has to say about the "beautiful Casey that everyone is trying to kill"... ::boxinggeraldo2::  to see if he really has changed his view point now that he has really paid some attention to the case...Judge Jeanine is on right before him..she tells it like it is about Casey Ho usually...

Mark Nejame will be on so there will be some sanity!! I warned him to wear his snakeguard! ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 08:34:56 PM
List of witnesses called in the Casey Anthony murder trial
Last Updated: Saturday, June 11, 2011 2:03 PM

Prosecution Phase
   
1 May 24 George Anthony - Casey's father
2 May 25 Cameron Campana - Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
3 May 25 Nathan Lezniewicz - Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
4 May 25 Roy "Clint" House - Former roommate of Tony Lazzaro
5 May 25 Maria Kissh - Ex-girlfriend of Clint House
6 May 25 Brian Burner - Next-door neighbor of Anthony family
7 May 25 Jamie Realander - Shot girl at Fusion
8 May 25 Erica Gonzalez - Shot girl at Fusion
9 May 25–26 Anthony "Tony" Lazzaro - Casey's ex-boyfriend (June to July 2008)
10 May 26 George Anthony - Casey's father (2nd testimony)
11 May 26 Ricardo Morales - Casey's ex-boyfriend (February to May 2008)
12 May 26 Melissa England - Ex-girlfriend of Troy Brown, met Casey in July 2008
13 May 26 Troy Brown - Friend of Ricardo Morales
14 May 26 Iassen Donov - Friend of Casey's since 2007
15 May 26 Dante Salati - Friend of Casey's since 2000
16 May 26 Christopher Stutz - Friend of Casey's since 2005
17 May 26 Matthew Crisp - Friend of Casey's since 2002
18 May 27 Mallory Parker - Lee Anthony's fiancee
19 May 27 William Waters - Friend of Amy Huizenga, met Casey on July 4, 2008
20 May 27 Catherine Sanchez - Amscot district manager
21 May 27 Simon Birch - Managed company that towed Casey's car in June 2008
22 May 27 George Anthony - Casey's father (3rd testimony)
23 May 27–28 Anthony "Tony" Lazzaro - Casey's ex-boyfriend (2nd testimony)
24 May 28, 31 Cynthia "Cindy" Anthony - Casey's mother
25 May 31 Amy Huizenga - Friend of Casey's since 2008
26 June 1 Lee Anthony - Casey's older brother
27 June 1 Rendon Fletcher - Orange County Sheriff's Office in July 2008
28 June 1 Adriana Acevedo - Orange County Sheriff's Office
29 June 1 Amanda Macklin - Sawgrass Apartments property manager in July 2008
30 June 1 Reginald Hosey - Orange County Sheriff's Office
31 June 1 Yuri Melich -  Orange County Sheriff's Office
32 June 2 Jeffrey Hopkins "Acquaintance" of Casey's since middle school
33 June 2 Leonard Turtora - Assistant manager at Universal Orlando Resort
34 June 2 Yuri Melich - Orange County Sheriff's Office (2nd testimony)
35 June 3 Charity Beasley - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
36 June 3 Awilda McBryde - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
37 June 3 Christine Narkiewicz - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
38 June 3 Geraldo Bloise - Detective at Orange County Sheriff's Office
39 June 4  Karen Lowe - FBI forensic expert 
40 June 4 Mike Vincent -  Collected air samples with Orange County Sheriff's Office
41 June 6 Arpad Vass - Forensic anthropologist, Oak Ridge National Lab
42 June 7 Gerardo Bloise - Orange County Sheriff's Office (2nd testimony)
43 June 7 Arpad Vass - Oak Ridge National Lab (2nd testimony)
44 June 7 Michael Rickenbach - FBI forensic chemist examiner
45 June 7 Jason Forgey - Cadaver dog handler, Orange County Sheriff's Office
46 June 8 Kristin Brewe -r Cadaver dog handler, Osceola Co. Sheriff's Office
47 June 8 Sandra Osborne - Computer examiner, Orange Co. Sheriff's Office
48 June 8 Kevin Stenger - Computer crimes supervisor, Orange Co. Sheriff's Office
49 June 8–9 John Dennis Bradley - Computer expert, CacheBack software developer
50 June 9 Lee Anthony - Casey's older brother (2nd testimony)
51 June 9 Edward Turso - Orange Co. Sheriff's Office
52 June 9 Jennifer Welch - Crime scene investigator, Orange Co. Sheriff's Office
53 June 9 Stephen Hanson - Chief investigator, Medical Examiner's Office
54 June 9–10 Gary Utz - Deputy chief medical examiner
55 June 10 John Schultz - UCF anthropology professor, forensics expert
56 June 10 Jan "Dr. G" Garavaglia - Orange-Osceola chief medical examiner
57 June 10 Michael Warren - UF anthropology professor
58 June 10 Mike Vincent - Orange Co. crime scene investigator (2nd testimony)
59 June 10 Robin Maynard - Orange Co. crime scene investigator
60 June 11 Neal Haskell - Forensic entomology expert
61 June 11 Jennifer Welch - Orange Co. crime scene investigator (2nd testimony)
62 June 11 Ronald Murdock - Forensics supervisor, Orange Co. Sheriff's Office
63 June 11 Gerald Johnston - Land surveyor

http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2011/may/251421/List-of-witnesses-called-in-the-Casey-Anthony-murder-trial


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 11, 2011, 08:35:10 PM
UPDATED - JUNE 11, 2011

TRIAL OVERVIEWS/VIDEOS - OPENING STATEMENTS AND WITNESSES


Casey Murder Trial Brings Tears, Blame And Shame
Opening Statements: Jose Baez - Drane-Burdick
Witness: George Anthony
DAY 12: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28001858/detail.html

Casey Friends Say They Never Knew Caylee Was Missing
Witnesses: Nathan Lezniewicz - Cameron Campana - Brian Burner - Tony Lazzaro - Maria Kissh - Roy "Clint" House - Jamie Realander - Erica Gonzalez
DAY 13: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28016659/detail.html

Casey's Ex-Lovers, Friends Testify On Day 14 Of Trial
Witnesses: Ricardo Morales - Tony Lazzaro - Melissa England - George Anthony - Matthew Crisp - Troy Brown - Iassen Donov - Dante Salati - Christopher Stutz
DAY 14: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14
http://www.wftv.com/news/28031215/detail.html

Witness: Casey Anthony's Car Smelled Of Decomposition
Witnesses:  Mallory Parker - George Anthony - Simon Birch - William Waters - Catherine Sanchez - Tony Lazzaro
DAY 15: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/news/28044952/detail.html

Cindy Cries During Testimony On Caylee, Casey Angered
Witnesses:  Cindy Anthony - Tony Lazzaro.
DAY 16: Pt. 1 | Pt.2 | Pt.3 | Pt.4 | Pt.5 | Pt.6 | Pt.7
http://www.wftv.com/news/28057538/detail.html

Tears Shed As 911 Calls Play; Casey's Ex-Friend Testifies
Witnesses: Cindy Anthony - Amy Huizenga
DAY 17: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12
http://www.wftv.com/news/28074159/detail.html

Witnesses, Recordings Heard In Court Expose Casey's Lies
Witnesses: Lee Anthony - Rendon Fletcher - Adriana Acevedo - Amanda Macklin - Reginald Hosey - Yuri Melich 
DAY 18: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12
http://www.wftv.com/news/28091499/detail.html

State Exposes Lie After Lie From Casey On Day 19 Of Trial
Witnesses: Jeffrey Hopkins - Leonard Turtora - Yuri Melich   
DAY 19: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14
http://www.wftv.com/news/28105029/detail.html

Day 20: Parts Of Casey's Car Trunk Shown As Evidence
Witnesses: Charity Beasley - Awilda McBryde - Christine Narkiewicz - Geraldo Bloise
DAY 20: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28117759/detail.html

Forensic Expert Testifies On Evidence In Casey's Car
Witnesses: Karen Lowe - Mike Vincent
TRIAL DAY 21: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28130373/detail.html

Forensic Expert Testifies On Evidence In Casey's Car
Witness: Arpad Vass
TRIAL DAY 21: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7
http://www.wftv.com/news/28130373/detail.html

Deputy: Cadaver Dog Alerted To Playhouse, Casey's Car
Witnesses: Gerardo Bloise - Arpad Vass - Michael Rickenbach - Jason Forgey
DAY 23: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11
http://www.wftv.com/news/28153797/detail.html

Expert: Casey Searched Neck-Breaking, Death On Web
Witness: Kristin Brewer - Sandra Osborne - Kevin Stenger = Kevin Stenger
DAY 24: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 http://www.wftv.com/news/28167030/detail.html

Casey Becomes Sick During Testimony On Remains
Witnesses: John Dennis Bradley - Lee Anthony - Edward Turso - Jennifer Welch - Stephen Hanson - Gary Utz
DAY 25: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9
http://www.wftv.com/caseyanthony/28179628/detail.html

Casey Gets Angry, Cries As Caylee Autopsy Pics Shown
Witnesses: Gary Utz- John Schultz - Jan "Dr. G" Garavaglia - Michael Warren - Mike Vincent - Robin Maynard
DAY 26: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11
http://www.wftv.com/news/28193553/detail.html

Crime Scene, Insect Experts Testify In Casey Trial Day 27
Witnesses: Neal Haskell - Jennifer Welch - Ronald Murdock - Gerald Johnston
TRIAL DAY 27: Part 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7
http://www.wftv.com/news/28205710/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:36:43 PM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::
::MonkeyTears:: I think it is, that is why I asked about the coat hanger once it was brought up. My bag didn't weigh a lot maybe 15 20 pounds (sweaters), it was just too hard to carry down the stairs when I had knee surgery. The hook snapped about half way down the stairs.

I thought maybe KC used the hanger to try and move Caylee's body around, either into one of the many bags in or in the trunk of the car and the hanger broke. So, she went and borrowed a neighbor's shovel to get the job done....

Oh, oh....light bulb moment ::MonkeyHaHa::

The hanger broke when KC got it caught on "garbage bags" in her trunk and in the process the bags tore releasing decomp fluids into the trunk....maybe.

or it came from Tony's house and it just broke....happens all the time...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
Aurelia7,
WELCOME to SM ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 08:42:56 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 08:44:16 PM
I am going to force myself to watch Geraldo tonight to see what the assjack has to say about the "beautiful Casey that everyone is trying to kill"... ::boxinggeraldo2::  to see if he really has changed his view point now that he has really paid some attention to the case...Judge Jeanine is on right before him..she tells it like it is about Casey Ho usually...

Mark Nejame will be on so there will be some sanity!! I warned him to wear his snakeguard! ::boxinggeraldo2::
Thanks for the heads up Sunny! I am going to watch.. My opinion of MN has changed 180 from when we first heard of him!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
That is because the roll of duct tape that was used on the gas can and Caylee was taken by Casey.  That is why the roll is not found in the house.  The roll was probably kept in the SHED.
Didn't Casey get some from one of her friends also??

I thought she stole some from Amy H.  (never heard much more about it though)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 11, 2011, 08:45:16 PM
Thank you TX!


I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Did this link work for anyone?  All I saw was blackness with a video progress bar which buffered and counted down the minutes, but no images ever appeared. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:46:32 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.

It froze up this afternoon and I could never get it to work....I just clicked on the link above and it seemed to go OK...but there was nothing on either screen,,,,


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:47:21 PM
Thank you TX!


I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Did this link work for anyone?  All I saw was blackness with a video progress bar which buffered and counted down the minutes, but no images ever appeared. 

Just did the same thing....black screens


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 08:49:11 PM
NG is doing a recap if anyone is interested..although it is almost over now...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 08:49:51 PM
Welcome Aurelia7 !!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 08:50:32 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.

I kept getting kicked out of here today...when I had akamai on..now it is working just fine..I think that I was the only one who was having a problem though...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:51:22 PM
I am going to force myself to watch Geraldo tonight to see what the assjack has to say about the "beautiful Casey that everyone is trying to kill"... ::boxinggeraldo2::  to see if he really has changed his view point now that he has really paid some attention to the case...Judge Jeanine is on right before him..she tells it like it is about Casey Ho usually...

Mark Nejame will be on so there will be some sanity!! I warned him to wear his snakeguard! ::boxinggeraldo2::
Thanks for the heads up Sunny! I am going to watch.. My opinion of MN has changed 180 from when we first heard of him!
  YW...I wasn't fond of him either....cause he was representing the A's...but when he befriended Tim Miller/TES and quit working for the A's, and publically explained why, I decided he might be an alright guy....he is more than alright....he is amazing....and humble...a combination you see in someone as successful as he is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:53:47 PM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1109656551 (https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1109656551)

Mark NeJame
Getting ready to go do Geraldo's show on Fox. He seems to be pro defense and from what I'm understanding, thinks the evidence is not so strong, so it should be quite interesting. I obviously have a different opinion and believe there will be a conviction so long as the prosecution stays focused and ties it all together in a way the jury will understand.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: islandmonkey on June 11, 2011, 08:53:54 PM
Thanks guys, for the warm welcome!  And thanks for the list of abbreviations as well.  I know there are others that I've seen but memory fails me as I type this, so I'll have to compile a list.  One that comes to mind is "LE"

Re juror #4, I thought that a potential juror not believing in the death penalty resulted immediate dismissal from jury duty, especially in a DP case.  I'm pretty sure that's how it works in California...not sure about Florida laws.

Also, I'm wondering about the importance of whether or not the jurors spend a lot/or little time looking at Casey Anthony?  I've seen mention of it many times but no clear indicator of whether it's favorable or not.  I'm starting to think that the less they look at her indicates that they have already made up their minds.  (Guilty)

And...I'd like to float another theory about that broken hanger:  Perhaps it was used as a make-shift handle for a tourniquet?  Something similar to that of the paintbrush handle used as leverage or a crank like the one used to strangle Jon Benet.  The missing part of the hanger would have been inserted into whatever material was tied around the neck and the remaining part of the hanger would act as a crank.  This would make sense if CA did indeed do a search for "neck breaking" as alleged.  And if so, she probably didn't realize that unlike wood, plastic would break.  Hence the broken hanger.  Thoughts?

Hanger/neck - I'd think possible if the medical examiner mentioned any signs of strangulation like injury to neck bones but she did not.

Trying to remember, was her hyoid bone found?

O/T sorta....I hope the state plays this at some point. I had forgotten how PO'd I was when she demanded LE hurry up 4 times, told the dispatcher "we called 911 an hour and half ago", and how the protesters needed to be arrested, this can't keep happening. Shows she can call 911 and be extremely demanding when she is threatened by 4 coins.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHJIFYUBeEs


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 11, 2011, 08:54:34 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.

When something is being broadcast I have no problem.  When nothing is being broadcast I get a black page.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 08:56:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1109656551

Mark NeJame
I found Dr. Haskell, the forensic entomologist who testified today to be fascinating. He recreated a time line of where Caylee's body was placed and for how long through tracking the life cycle of insects and the types of insects which surrounded her remains. Sad but extremely compelling evidence further corroborating Casey's guilt.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 11, 2011, 08:57:54 PM
I don't know why the plastic hanger just popped into my mind when Ispy posted the question. I hope I didn't offend or was off topic about it. Sometimes my mind just goes to something that has happened to me, so that is why I was wondering.

 ::MonkeyBike::
JSM- I've broken those hanger hooks too.  LOL!  I just thought it odd that she even had the hanger in her car to begin withf.  According to Tony and Lee, Casey's clothes were packed in her bag before Cindy came to get her.  That tells me Tony had not cleared closet space for her, as he had not officially invited her to move in. Which also tells me that she either: had packed clothes when she left home June 15th or 16th or had gone back home when no one was there and packed clothes then. Either way, she was living out of a bag-no need for a hanger there.  It appears from the state of the car that she lived out of it too at some point. She utilized several items from the A's home (duct tape, knife, trash bags, and cloth laundry bag).  She backed the car into the garage, allowing her to access both the house and the backyard undetected. It makes sense to me that she would use items found in the garage to aid in the disposal and cleanup (like the hanger and maybe the fabric softener sheets-they were both handy). If she bagged Caylee ( ::MonkeyMad::) in the garage, it would make sense that LE took drywall from the garage wall. I'd like to know if there's any evidence or residue (decomp or chemical) on any other items in the garage or on the shelving units.  Common sense tells me that anything she may have taken down or out to use from the garage would need to be put back or Cindy/George would know she'd been there. JMO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 09:00:08 PM
Carpe...  ::MonkeyKiss::  ......this time I have to disagree, and I'll leave it at that, lol.

me too... ::MonkeyKiss::

Me three & no, he's not in the same category of Michael Jackson or any other celebrity.

Sorry -
I didn't mean he does the moon walk... just that he puts himself in the public domain... by going on
Good Morning America, Larry King Live, yada yada. If he sues anybody on these tv shows for calling
him George the molester or something... it will most likely be tossed. If it does make it - it just
opens up another battle on another front. It opens him up for more questioning. Which we all know
he handles so well.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:00:40 PM
showing recap of when Casey said that she was sick and court was recessed..she is so fake! playing it up for the camera..
Nancy Grace is continuing with the recap..must be a 2 hr show tonight..
on to Jeannine P for me and then Geraldo... ::boxinggeraldo2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:04:00 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.

I kept getting kicked out of here today...when I had akamai on..now it is working just fine..I think that I was the only one who was having a problem though...
I used to like that site during the hearings.. but it has been lagging, buffering and freezing up on me.. plus the split screen pics are small and dark. I like the wftv video plus I get to hear commentry from Kathi Band Bill Schaeffer.. they have 15 second commercials but it is a small price to pay for good video/commentary


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: islandmonkey on June 11, 2011, 09:04:05 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.

When something is being broadcast I have no problem.  When nothing is being broadcast I get a black page.

I thought that link was only a live link?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:04:45 PM

OMG, my girlfriend just read this and called me and I can't repeat what she said...but suggested we might all need to seek help!!! ::MonkeyDevil::  IT is pretty sad when you look at it from the outside looking in!! ::MonkeyJnBox::
LMAO  Sunny! I was thinking the same thing as I was typing the list!  I even wondered if Klaas would tell me it wasn't appropriate!  But we do use all of these, and many more.  In defense of us good Monkeys......It is what it is and the players involved caused it!!  Hey, if it's everybody else's fault but Casey's, we can claim the same!   ::MonkeyWink::


SODDI  -  Some other dude/dudette did it


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 09:10:23 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Does anybody know what link Turbo is referring to?

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was that one but I don't think it was intentional as it showed like a computer screen on the right side and they would click on one of the icons. It showed that a number of times then some of the other photos including the bones, the skull etc. I think someone was just looking at them or maybe showing them to someone else and didn't realize the cameras were still on.  Here is one of the clips I managed to get. I pretty much got them in order as it morphed if you want to go to my photobucket and see them

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/kc205.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:10:35 PM
I am sorry I got in your box.. what a week  ::MonkeyTongue::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Anyone else having trouble opening links from akamai?  ::MonkeyMad::

It keeps saying Forbidden - and acts like I'm not connected to the web.

I kept getting kicked out of here today...when I had akamai on..now it is working just fine..I think that I was the only one who was having a problem though...
I used to like that site during the hearings.. but it has been lagging, buffering and freezing up on me.. plus the split screen pics are small and dark. I like the wftv video plus I get to hear commentry from Kathi Band Bill Schaeffer.. they have 15 second commercials but it is a small price to pay for good video/commentary

will try that one on Monday...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:11:45 PM

OMG, my girlfriend just read this and called me and I can't repeat what she said...but suggested we might all need to seek help!!! ::MonkeyDevil::  IT is pretty sad when you look at it from the outside looking in!! ::MonkeyJnBox::
LMAO  Sunny! I was thinking the same thing as I was typing the list!  I even wondered if Klaas would tell me it wasn't appropriate!  But we do use all of these, and many more.  In defense of us good Monkeys......It is what it is and the players involved caused it!!  Hey, if it's everybody else's fault but Casey's, we can claim the same!   ::MonkeyWink::


SODDI  -  Some other dude/dudette did it

My girlfriend was cracking me up...when she called she was laughing so hard....I started laughing at her laughing having no idea what she was laughing about... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  yep it's their own fault they have 'special' names...if they were anywhere near normal like Jeff, Linda and Frank George and JP we wouldn't have to come up with names to describe them..it's their own darn fault!  that's our story and we are sticking to it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 11, 2011, 09:14:34 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Does anybody know what link Turbo is referring to?

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was that one but I don't think it was intentional as it showed like a computer screen on the right side and they would click on one of the icons. It showed that a number of times then some of the other photos including the bones, the skull etc. I think someone was just looking at them or maybe showing them to someone else and didn't realize the cameras were still on.  Here is one of the clips I managed to get. I pretty much got them in order as it morphed if you want to go to my photobucket and see them

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/kc205.jpg)

WOW....that gives me chills..... ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:17:03 PM
IslandMonkey, No the hyoid was never found.  From my understanding, the hyoid in a baby and a toddler is rather soft, not hard bone yet.  Most likely it was eaten by the animals.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: _icey_ on June 11, 2011, 09:17:52 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Does anybody know what link Turbo is referring to?

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was that one but I don't think it was intentional as it showed like a computer screen on the right side and they would click on one of the icons. It showed that a number of times then some of the other photos including the bones, the skull etc. I think someone was just looking at them or maybe showing them to someone else and didn't realize the cameras were still on.  Here is one of the clips I managed to get. I pretty much got them in order as it morphed if you want to go to my photobucket and see them

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/TURBOTHINK/kc205.jpg)

WOW....that gives me chills..... ::boxingcasey2::

That link doesn't work for me. :-/  Edit to change blue color to black. MB


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 11, 2011, 09:20:01 PM
Aurelia7- Welcome!  Jump on in, the water's fine.  A few acronyms for you:

JMO- just my opinion
JMHO- just my honest (or humble) opinion
LOL- laugh out loud
ROFL- roll on the floor laughing
BBL- be back later
FWIW- for what it's worth
IIRC- if I recall correctly

NG-Nancy Grace
AH- Amy Huzienga


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:20:43 PM
icey...
that link only works when the trial is on


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 11, 2011, 09:21:37 PM
Well, need to run.  A few things need my attention.  Take good care everybody and carry on!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 09:23:25 PM
On the reflector site they just showed the whole video of the way they showed it to the jury of the picture of Caylee morphing into the skeleton with the duct tape. I had no way to download it but I did capture it picture by picture as best I could.

Please share the link...thanks ::MonkeyCool::
http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx (http://mfile.akamai.com/12909/live/reflector:20877.asx)

Does anybody know what link Turbo is referring to?

 ::MonkeyEek::

It was that one but I don't think it was intentional as it showed like a computer screen on the right side and they would click on one of the icons. It showed that a number of times then some of the other photos including the bones, the skull etc. I think someone was just looking at them or maybe showing them to someone else and didn't realize the cameras were still on.  Here is one of the clips I managed to get. I pretty much got them in order as it morphed if you want to go to my photobucket and see them


WOW....that gives me chills..... ::boxingcasey2::
That link doesn't work for me. :-/ Edit to change blue color to black. 

That link does not work except when they are broadcasting. I just happened to not have closed out the page after today's trial and when I went to close it out that was what was showing, so I grabbed what I could off of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:23:48 PM
I'm watching NG, thanks for letting me know about it, and Dr. G is on the stand.  Why did Mason ask her if she was okay, after he slunk down and gave her a strange look?  WTH (What the He77 [7= L]) type of game was he playing there?  It sure did backfired on him. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pinkbanana on June 11, 2011, 09:24:27 PM
Carpe...  ::MonkeyKiss::  ......this time I have to disagree, and I'll leave it at that, lol.

Nut, I have to agree with you and disagree as well!

pb


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: akmom on June 11, 2011, 09:25:03 PM
Hi Aurelia7.  I didn't see it, but the As are also called Rosebud and Rosebuddy from time to time.  The one PI called Cindy Rosbud in an email once.   YUUUUUKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:30:49 PM
Dr G really decimated Old Crusty  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:31:15 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 11, 2011, 09:34:04 PM
Dr G really decimated Old Crusty  ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 09:35:23 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

But our is not in a "backwards" sort of way. LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 11, 2011, 09:42:49 PM
Dr G really decimated Old Crusty  ::MonkeyGavel::

 ::rhino::


Dr. G is a Lexus. Foghorn is a Chevette. She is on another plane altogether. One that Cheney will never live to see.

He is not good enough to shine her shoes.

Hey quick - look at NG. Bozo is drawing the tomato and hot air balloon again! ::MonkeyBike::

We should get a prize if we can guess what it is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
OMG....some idiot has made his own video of Caylee, the skull and the duct tape, and posted it on you-tube.  No respect for Caylee.  This really burns me up and I expect more to follow.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:46:10 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

But our is not in a "backwards" sort of way. LOL
Thanks Turbo....I now feel better!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 11, 2011, 09:48:06 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

But our is not in a "backwards" sort of way. LOL

 IIRC KC, spawn of Rose and Rosebuddy became ICA when YM, EE, FBI and other LE converged on Hopespring after Spindy placed 3 911 calls about a missing  ::MonkeyAngel:: Enter Bozo and his traveling circus, under the big top he gathered Lyon, Miss Piggy, Foghorn Leghorn, Brillohead and countless others. On the other side sat LDB, JA, FG and other employess from OC SAO. The ringmaster is the HJBP. Are ya with me still? WRT the BHW we all hope she will get LWOP or the DP....JMHO ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:48:44 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
IIRC....Jesse set that up with him!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 09:50:43 PM
Samarie!!  Excellent job!!  One paragraph is all it took to sum it up nicely....in code of course!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 11, 2011, 09:51:37 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

But our is not in a "backwards" sort of way. LOL

 IIRC KC, spawn of Rose and Rosebuddy became ICA when YM, EE, FBI and other LE converged on Hopespring after Spindy placed 3 911 calls about a missing  ::MonkeyAngel:: Enter Bozo and his traveling circus, under the big top he gathered Lyon, Miss Piggy, Foghorn Leghorn, Brillohead and countless others. On the other side sat LDB, JA, FG and other employess from OC SAO. The ringmaster is the HJBP. Are ya with me still? WRT the BHW we all hope she will get LWOP or the DP....JMHO ::MonkeyTongue::
::MonkeyHaHa::  ::MonkeyHaHa:: very nice


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 11, 2011, 10:07:22 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
Re:  Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
Now wouldn't that be telling!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tevye on June 11, 2011, 10:10:21 PM
I think the t-shirt was on Caylee when she was left in the woods simply because there was so little of it left.  Decomp and animal activity caused the material to disintegrate.

Didn't Casey once say 'they haven't even found any of her clothes yet'? In reference to the OCSO? Maybe when she was out of jail? Maybe a comment to Lee or Dom Casey?

I remember reading it a long time ago. Thought it a curious comment at the time

(it is really hard to keep up on this iPhone lol)

Yes, I think Rob Dick heard her say it when he was driving her around.
If I recall correctly (because it really bugged me at the time), the correct quote was "They haven't even found any of her clothes." There was no "yet" from the original, that got added. Salacious value.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 10:11:56 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
IIRC....Jesse set that up with him!   ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so - Jesse was instrumental in setting up a reward by the owner of the Hiltons in that area. I think the Anthonys TRIED to tie that to Jesse but that was not true. His family is friends with the that family IIRC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: loca on June 11, 2011, 10:25:13 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
IIRC....Jesse set that up with him!   ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so - Jesse was instrumental in setting up a reward by the owner of the Hiltons in that area. I think the Anthonys TRIED to tie that to Jesse but that was not true. His family is friends with the that family IIRC.
I could have sorn that mark nejame paid the reward. no?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: loca on June 11, 2011, 10:30:02 PM
OMG....some idiot has made his own video of Caylee, the skull and the duct tape, and posted it on you-tube.  No respect for Caylee.  This really burns me up and I expect more to follow.   ::MonkeyMad::
what is your opinion of it being posted at the caylee daily?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Praying4Angels on June 11, 2011, 10:46:50 PM
Kathi and Bill just showed a video of Ashton arguing to Strickland that a child Caylees age would be capable of removing the duct tape from her mouth .. therefore she would have been restrained.. they said there was another piece of duct tape the state will say restrained her little hands  ::MonkeyShocked::
Oh dear God.  I hadn't even thought of that.
If this is the case...it is probably the piece of duct tape By-azzzz keeps pointing out was not adhered to her skull and was found 9 feet away....which makes sense...cuz it would be after her poor lil body was attacked and dispersed...  ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 10:47:18 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
IIRC....Jesse set that up with him!   ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so - Jesse was instrumental in setting up a reward by the owner of the Hiltons in that area. I think the Anthonys TRIED to tie that to Jesse but that was not true. His family is friends with the that family IIRC.
I could have sorn that mark nejame paid the reward. no?

Yes he did because there were no rewards out there at the time she was found and IIRC since the rewards had been withdrawn he did that out of the kindness of his heart. I wasn't much.

Mark N wants to give MR the money he made while working with the Anthony's.$5,000 as a reward for finding Caylee....I hope the Klonk takes it. I'm sure he could use it since the defense is after him.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 10:48:22 PM
Kathi and Bill just showed a video of Ashton arguing to Strickland that a child Caylees age would be capable of removing the duct tape from her mouth .. therefore she would have been restrained.. they said there was another piece of duct tape the state will say restrained her little hands  ::MonkeyShocked::
Oh dear God.  I hadn't even thought of that.
If this is the case...it is probably the piece of duct tape By-azzzz keeps pointing out was not adhered to her skull and was found 9 feet away....which makes sense...cuz it would be after her poor lil body was attacked and dispersed...  ::MonkeyTears::

If I am not mistaken it was found by her arm bone.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 10:53:22 PM
OMG....some idiot has made his own video of Caylee, the skull and the duct tape, and posted it on you-tube.  No respect for Caylee.  This really burns me up and I expect more to follow.   ::MonkeyMad::
what is your opinion of it being posted at the caylee daily?

I guess it is just me, but I don't have a problem with any of it being posted if it will bring justice in this case. We all go back to just bones eventually and while it may be graphic for many people it is just a body to me. I have never seen the body as being anything but a temporary housing for our souls and once we are through with it like a butterfly cocoon we are "out of here."  I had never seen a baby's skeleton before, but I have seen many adult ones. Anyone who took the hard sciences or medical courses in college have been exposed to many anatomical parts of the body.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flutterby42 on June 11, 2011, 10:54:25 PM
WHEN did the judge authorize the release of bone picks to the public? I don't recall hearing him allow the media to post them without pixelating.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flutterby42 on June 11, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
WHEN did the judge authorize the release of bone picks pics to the public? I don't recall hearing him allow the media to post them without pixelating.

Self-edit


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:05:37 PM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."     She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 11, 2011, 11:08:06 PM
Here's the video link (a little over 6 minutes long) of KC flipping the camera off TWICE!!!  It's during testimony from Investigator Welch.  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


http://www.wftv.com/video/28183858/index.html


(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcbird.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:09:25 PM
I was just thinking about bozo's claim Kronk was keeping the body for the reward. The reward for ONLY for an alive Caylee and it was only good for a specific amount of time (like 90 days or less)  He is going to get into some very dangerous water's there. That reward was from Peter B. who is now evidently in jail for drug trafficking in Miami. What was KC's connection to these people? How did she know them or how did the Anthony's know them? Or better yet HOW did bozo know them? Is there a connection there? Was KC a mule and that is how she really got bozo because he had connections with Peter B.? Did Peter B. call bozo and tell him to get down there and defend her? Too bad LE cant subpoena bozo's phone records for that time period.
IIRC....Jesse set that up with him!   ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think so - Jesse was instrumental in setting up a reward by the owner of the Hiltons in that area. I think the Anthonys TRIED to tie that to Jesse but that was not true. His family is friends with the that family IIRC.
OK, thanks for clearing that up for me.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:13:44 PM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."     She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:15:03 PM
OMG....some idiot has made his own video of Caylee, the skull and the duct tape, and posted it on you-tube.  No respect for Caylee.  This really burns me up and I expect more to follow.   ::MonkeyMad::
what is your opinion of it being posted at the caylee daily?
::MonkeyEek::  The actual video is on CayleeDaily?  I didn't know that.  Now I have to go look!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 11:19:20 PM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:26:30 PM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL
I think we will only hear from Jesse, Dominic, and Tim.

Do we know how much chloroform was found in the Gatorade bottle?  As in....was it stronger than normal tap water?

I saw your screen caps from the video with Caylee's face superimposed over the skull on photobucket.  Maybe the video was more graphic, but I didn't think the pics were any worse than what was released by media.  Thanks for grabbing those.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 11, 2011, 11:30:33 PM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."     She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.

Jennifer Barringer also said that the reason that Casey did not cal 911  (prepare yourselves) was because her father told her he would take care of this & now she is in a position to have to protect her father.    NO WAY JOSE, that selfish lying evil slore would NEVER sit in jail for her father or anyone else if that were the case.   I believe Jennifer crossed the line tonight & Im on a tear about it!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Love2Read on June 11, 2011, 11:35:54 PM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

But our is not in a "backwards" sort of way. LOL







 IIRC KC, spawn of Rose and Rosebuddy became ICA when YM, EE, FBI and other LE converged on Hopespring after Spindy placed 3 911 calls about a missing  ::MonkeyAngel:: Enter Bozo and his traveling circus, under the big top he gathered Lyon, Miss Piggy, Foghorn Leghorn, Brillohead and countless others. On the other side sat LDB, JA, FG and other employess from OC SAO. The ringmaster is the HJBP. Are ya with me still? WRT the BHW we all hope she will get LWOP or the DP....JMHO ::MonkeyTongue::


LOL,  Love it, Samarie! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 11:48:08 PM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL
I think we will only hear from Jesse, Dominic, and Tim.

Do we know how much chloroform was found in the Gatorade bottle?  As in....was it stronger than normal tap water?

I saw your screen caps from the video with Caylee's face superimposed over the skull on photobucket.  Maybe the video was more graphic, but I didn't think the pics were any worse than what was released by media.  Thanks for grabbing those.

In Orlando standard for chloroform is 10 parts per billion (ppb) I think I read. I don't remember the exact chart on that from the FBI but I don't think it was much higher than that. I don't see how it could be showing any at all because sunlight UV rays dissipates Chloroform. That is why they had so much in the trunk left - it was closed off to sunlight.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 11, 2011, 11:50:36 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/11/2262579/casey-anthony-case-a-morbid-sensation.html
Casey Anthony case: a morbid sensation


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 11:52:05 PM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."    She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.

Jennifer Barringer also said that the reason that Casey did not cal 911  (prepare yourselves) was because her father told her he would take care of this & now she is in a position to have to protect her father.    NO WAY JOSE, that selfish lying evil slore would NEVER sit in jail for her father or anyone else if that were the case.   I believe Jennifer crossed the line tonight & Im on a tear about it!

I do not know her and don't remember seeing her before, but to me she came off as someone who "wanted" to be a part of this case and was a groupie for bozo. She sounded like she was trying to insert herself into the case but just using the same old jargon bozo has been putting out in the press all along.  Nothing she said made any sense in the real world and I think most everyone pointed that out to her except stupid Geraldo who is never right on any case he covers.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:53:49 PM
Turbo....We haven't heard from Robyn Adams yet.  She's sitting in the Orange County Jail waiting.  She is key to disprove Baez's claim of sexual abuse by George.  Almost forgot about her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 11, 2011, 11:56:50 PM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."    She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.

Jennifer Barringer also said that the reason that Casey did not cal 911  (prepare yourselves) was because her father told her he would take care of this & now she is in a position to have to protect her father.    NO WAY JOSE, that selfish lying evil slore would NEVER sit in jail for her father or anyone else if that were the case.   I believe Jennifer crossed the line tonight & Im on a tear about it!

I do not know her and don't remember seeing her before, but to me she came off as someone who "wanted" to be a part of this case and was a groupie for bozo. She sounded like she was trying to insert herself into the case but just using the same old jargon bozo has been putting out in the press all along.  Nothing she said made any sense in the real world and I think most everyone pointed that out to her except stupid Geraldo who is never right on any case he covers.
Is she the same one Mark E. asked if she was being paid by the defense to come to the airwaves at this time?  I think that was on Dr. Drew a couple of nights ago.  Mark asked her that because of the BS she was spouting.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 11, 2011, 11:57:56 PM
Turbo....We haven't heard from Robyn Adams yet.  She's sitting in the Orange County Jail waiting.  She is key to disprove Baez's claim of sexual abuse by George.  Almost forgot about her.

Yes, that is right - wonder who called her the prosecution or the defense?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:06:54 AM
A garbage bag "inside a suitcase?"  Strange. Also a garbage bag inside a cooler? 

I put one in for worn clothing while on vaca to separate from clothes that were not worn during the trip.

I do the same thing when I travel too. I also keep garbage bags in my cooler and beach bag. I'm a little anal about littering...

I do that too traveling, but not in my garage shelves. This was garbage bags inside a suitcase and  inside a cooler. Now the cooler I might can understand as some people don't like to put drinking ice out of a cooler in their cups so you could use a garbage bag, but garbage bags don't take up any room so why put them there?

I think Cindy came home and found that laundry bag missing and replaced it just like she did the Winnie the Pooh bed linens after they found the car with the smell in it and realized KC had most likely wrapped the baby in them. IIRC LE asked her more than once for her Penny's receipts and she never gave them to them. Instead she sent them to bozo by way of Lee which makes me think she was covering up for KC.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: zoeandme on June 12, 2011, 12:07:37 AM
OMG....some idiot has made his own video of Caylee, the skull and the duct tape, and posted it on you-tube.  No respect for Caylee.  This really burns me up and I expect more to follow.   ::MonkeyMad::
what is your opinion of it being posted at the caylee daily?
::MonkeyEek::  The actual video is on CayleeDaily?  I didn't know that.  Now I have to go look!

I looked---don't see it there.  Maybe you can find it?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:10:29 AM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."    She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.

Jennifer Barringer also said that the reason that Casey did not cal 911  (prepare yourselves) was because her father told her he would take care of this & now she is in a position to have to protect her father.    NO WAY JOSE, that selfish lying evil slore would NEVER sit in jail for her father or anyone else if that were the case.   I believe Jennifer crossed the line tonight & Im on a tear about it!

I do not know her and don't remember seeing her before, but to me she came off as someone who "wanted" to be a part of this case and was a groupie for bozo. She sounded like she was trying to insert herself into the case but just using the same old jargon bozo has been putting out in the press all along.  Nothing she said made any sense in the real world and I think most everyone pointed that out to her except stupid Geraldo who is never right on any case he covers.

Jennifer Barringer, defense attorney (worked on Phil Spector case)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/head_blow_de_cologne_Wd89pjN4dcXRNzONGBtrZJ

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/06/07/is-the-prosecution-blowing-the-casey-anthony-case/

(http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/03/17/news/photos_stories/Jennifer_Barringer--300x300.jpg)
PINSKY: Tonight, experts testify about photos and videos from Casey Anthony`s cell phone and incriminating searches on the Anthony home computer.

We`re going inside Casey`s defense team. With us still is Mark Eiglarsh. He is in the studio with me.

And now joining us attorney Jennifer Barringer. She is a consultant for Casey`s defense team.

Jennifer, you have said that you were upset that people are presuming Casey is guilty. Tell us about that.

JENNIFER BARRINGER, CONSULTANT FOR CASEY ANTHONY`S DEFENSE TEAM: Absolutely. I think, you know, in this country, we thrive on innocent until proven guilty. And what we`ve got here is we have all of the press and everyone saying that she`s guilty. And, of course, there are a lot of facts that just are missing in the state`s case.

They have gaping holes that they need to fill that they haven`t filled. And I know it`s a horrible, horrible crime, and it`s just a disaster, and it certainly creates a lot of upset feelings in a lot of people, but you can`t jump to conclusions like that. It`s never a good idea.
MORE HERE & WORTH A READ AS MARK EIGLARSH goes toe to toe with this bleached out botox less than a wonder  http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/08/ddhln.01.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:10:37 AM
I found the Roy Kronk original transcript.

http://www.wftv.com/_blank/18862232/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:12:57 AM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."    She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.

Jennifer Barringer also said that the reason that Casey did not cal 911  (prepare yourselves) was because her father told her he would take care of this & now she is in a position to have to protect her father.    NO WAY JOSE, that selfish lying evil slore would NEVER sit in jail for her father or anyone else if that were the case.   I believe Jennifer crossed the line tonight & Im on a tear about it!

I do not know her and don't remember seeing her before, but to me she came off as someone who "wanted" to be a part of this case and was a groupie for bozo. She sounded like she was trying to insert herself into the case but just using the same old jargon bozo has been putting out in the press all along.  Nothing she said made any sense in the real world and I think most everyone pointed that out to her except stupid Geraldo who is never right on any case he covers.
Is she the same one Mark E. asked if she was being paid by the defense to come to the airwaves at this time?  I think that was on Dr. Drew a couple of nights ago.  Mark asked her that because of the BS she was spouting.   

Yes, see my next post for the transcript...she is speaking for the defense so she crossed the line PUBLICLY what Casey & her defense's false allegations are against others.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 12:18:09 AM
I find it strange they had two identical laundry bags - I wonder if Cindy replaced that bag after she realized it was missing to cover up for KC.  I am SO impressed with the methodical way the state has their case set up. It is easy to understand and they have left out nothing.

BINGO!!

Could it be that Cindy also bought another Winnie the Pooh blanket for the same reason?

Janet

++++++

Cindy Anthony Talks To Investigators About Zanny, Caylee In Newly Released Interview
POSTED: 4:35 pm EDT September 26, 2008
UPDATED: 6:04 pm EDT September 26, 2008


<snipped>

But detective Yuri Melich confronted Cindy about withholding evidence that could lead to Caylee.

"I asked you for your credit card records. I still don't have it," Melich said.

"I gave you receipts," Cindy replied.

"You can't hold it back," Melich said.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html


BUMPED


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:24:19 AM
I knew I read that once and here it is.
Cindy apparently held back information about Casey borrowing her SUV at the end of June, around the time Casey claimed George had hit an animal with her car causing the horrible odor.

"Casey borrowed your green truck, George followed her and asked you and said she had borrowed your truck," Melich said.

"I don't know," Cindy told him.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: IBE on June 12, 2011, 01:10:15 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.htm (http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.htm)

I am following Casey's activities and phone records, day by day since June 15 to the 31 days at the above link.

Wonder where she spent her time when she couldn't return home until George was at work and Cindy wasn't home yet? Blanchard Park or was she drumming up some sort of business?

Where was George that first Thurs. he was off and according to the phone records Casey was at the family home that afternoon for 4 hrs? Maybe she knew he wouldn't be there. I am misreading the timeline.

When did Casey meet Tony and when did they start to date?
Didn't Cindy once say that Casey changed after she found her new set friends? Was this drugs, more than just pot?

Was "reshocked" IMO to see the activities and the pictures she posted on Facebook the day she got her tattoo even though I'd seen them before. 
 
IMO the case is based on the tattoo, duct tape, dog hits, the 31 days of not telling anyone what Caylee was missing, the great desire to be free. the pet cemetery, the heart and her Internet search.

Gads, 4 years without emptying the Firefox browser cache? That dumbness has helped, IMO, lead the powers that be toward justice for Caylee.

Lies? lier lier, her pants have been on fire for ages IMO
Too bad she didn't let Cindy and George raise Caylee or put Caylee up for adoption vs. Caylee being murdered.

Also
is the military man in AZ or CA going to be questioned?
You were talking about the award coming from Miami. Maybe it was Bozo's connections.

IMO appeal won't float using the reason of lack of defense; she has too many on her defense team plus the defense consultants all over TV. Everytime I see one, I say to myself that that is one more point for the prosecution.

Was looking at the aerial shots of the Anthony home.  The big shed looks as if it is right up against the side fence and the home. Another blind spot from the road? In some cities they require a space between any dwelling and the fences for fire dept. access.

on the 16th a man who had seen Caylee and Casey the computer where he works from the week before, said he saw Casey and Caylee walk out of the Walmart and that Caylee (I think) looked angry.  I wonder if she had a bought of the terrible twos of not getting her way in Walmart, then mom went into a rage at her afternoon nap time and extended it with chloroform? Gads, then went out that night and rented movies with Tony and I think stayed the night and the next day... maybe I am in a brain fog
Just thinking. Any ideas?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: IBE on June 12, 2011, 01:12:23 AM
Am giving myself (and probably others here) a headache. Be back soon.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: IBE on June 12, 2011, 01:21:53 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 12, 2011, 01:39:20 AM
Here's the video link (a little over 6 minutes long) of KC flipping the camera off TWICE!!!  It's during testimony from Investigator Welch.  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


http://www.wftv.com/video/28183858/index.html


(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcbird.jpg)
at 344 she does the above and says something.  where's the lip readers? anyone?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 12, 2011, 01:40:57 AM
WOW JSM, could be what Casey did too  ::MonkeyShocked::

I had similar thing happen when putting a lot of weight on one of those hangers.    ::MonkeyShocked:: It breaks that way.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 12, 2011, 01:45:57 AM
Here's the video link (a little over 6 minutes long) of KC flipping the camera off TWICE!!!  It's during testimony from Investigator Welch.  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


http://www.wftv.com/video/28183858/index.html


(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcbird.jpg)
at 344 she does the above and says something.  where's the lip readers? anyone?
OK, that's really WEIRD... at the very end LDB says "I'd like to introduce item F U into evidence".  Tell me I'm not just hearing things?  WOW. how odd is that?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: O4Bull on June 12, 2011, 01:47:22 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 12, 2011, 01:55:26 AM
Here's the video link (a little over 6 minutes long) of KC flipping the camera off TWICE!!!  It's during testimony from Investigator Welch.  ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::


http://www.wftv.com/video/28183858/index.html


(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcbird.jpg)
at 344 she does the above and says something.  where's the lip readers? anyone?
OK, that's really WEIRD... at the very end LDB says "I'd like to introduce item F U into evidence".  Tell me I'm not just hearing things?  WOW. how odd is that?

 ::MonkeyDevil::  Good Catch O4Bull!!! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 12, 2011, 01:56:17 AM

 (http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/03/17/news/photos_stories/Jennifer_Barringer--300x300.jpg)
PINSKY: Tonight, experts testify about photos and videos from Casey Anthony`s cell phone and incriminating searches on the Anthony home computer.

We`re going inside Casey`s defense team. With us still is Mark Eiglarsh. He is in the studio with me.

And now joining us attorney Jennifer Barringer. She is a consultant for Casey`s defense team.

Jennifer, you have said that you were upset that people are presuming Casey is guilty. Tell us about that.

JENNIFER BARRINGER, CONSULTANT FOR CASEY ANTHONY`S DEFENSE TEAM: Absolutely. I think, you know, in this country, we thrive on innocent until proven guilty. And what we`ve got here is we have all of the press and everyone saying that she`s guilty. And, of course, there are a lot of facts that just are missing in the state`s case.

They have gaping holes that they need to fill that they haven`t filled. And I know it`s a horrible, horrible crime, and it`s just a disaster, and it certainly creates a lot of upset feelings in a lot of people, but you can`t jump to conclusions like that. It`s never a good idea.
MORE HERE & WORTH A READ AS MARK EIGLARSH goes toe to toe with this bleached out botox less than a wonder  http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/08/ddhln.01.html

I would love to know what gaping holes there are that the state has not filled in.  The only thing missing is how exactly she killed Caylee, but we see from all the evidence day to day, why she did it, all the evidence proving she  did it.  They do not need to prove cause of death, as far as I know. 

So, what's missing?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 12, 2011, 01:57:45 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

Me either, not even a sing pang of anything for her.   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 12, 2011, 01:59:21 AM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I think we still have to hear from plant growth people too. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 12, 2011, 02:05:07 AM
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: We have spent at least 2 1/2 years bashing the A's (Anthony's) for talking in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::  I never realized until now, just how much we talk in code.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyDevil::

But our is not in a "backwards" sort of way. LOL

 IIRC KC, spawn of Rose and Rosebuddy became ICA when YM, EE, FBI and other LE converged on Hopespring after Spindy placed 3 911 calls about a missing  ::MonkeyAngel:: Enter Bozo and his traveling circus, under the big top he gathered Lyon, Miss Piggy, Foghorn Leghorn, Brillohead and countless others. On the other side sat LDB, JA, FG and other employess from OC SAO. The ringmaster is the HJBP. Are ya with me still? WRT the BHW we all hope she will get LWOP or the DP....JMHO ::MonkeyTongue::

ITA  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 12, 2011, 02:27:35 AM
A number of people have slandered George outside of court on various TV shows and he could certainly file a lawsuit for that, but I note he hasn't.

---
George is a public figure now whether he likes it or not. He falls under the category of Michael Jackson.
With all he's got going on right now in life - he'd be better off doing yard work or doing some dirty dishes
than thinking of suing people.

I highly suspected him of being a molester, long before Casey started leaking it or the defense threw him under a bus.

Incestual families have a very loose grasp on proper boundaries. George cutting the cord. eewwwww still makes me do
the icky dance - even to type it. George getting his ears pierced for Casey. I could also tell very early on in this
case he was very confused as to what he was, a father or grandfather. He showed it in his OVER EMPHASIS of the words,
which of course means it is highly sensitive to him and that he get it right.

I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

You ain't fooled me, grandpa. I gots my eyeball on you twinkle toes. ::MonkeyEek::

I believe an overwhelming majority of George's problems have started at his zipper and then radiated outward.

Little JoJo said to Big JoJo "Hey, we should have some funny times." It's what happens when you don't go to
work all day and sit around watching Caylee's Veggie Tales DVD's ... BY YOURSELF.

Again: I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

Definitely DO NOT agree.  I also do not think for a second even that if Cindy even had an inkling that he was molesting the Queen hoebag they would be together any longer, nor would Cindy allow George by Caylee, ever.  He is a very weird man, I will give you that, but the whole family is weird.  I hope afterwards he sues everybody or urges them to PROVE IT.  KC is a lier. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: IBE on June 12, 2011, 02:51:46 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

It was a weak headache moment and not sure if I really believe what I said. I do wish she had a better lead defense attorney but she made her Cross to Bare with what was done to her daughter. Thanks for asking. Love and God Bless, IBE


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cecilita on June 12, 2011, 03:10:23 AM
Hi monkeys!
I don't know about all of you but since the trial started i am having nightmares..i wonder if the jurors are experienced the same ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:12:12 AM
Lillian Glass is saying River Cruz told her George sought someone that looked like Zanny the nanny (her - River Cruz) out to pin the murder on.  Have you guys heard about this?

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/ (http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/)

Here's the excerpt if you don't want to go to the blog

"Why did he have an alleged affair with River Cruz? According to River Cruz, George said that what happened to Caylee was an accident that snowballed.” River reached out to me and shared this information well before there was any talk of accidents. Did he seek out a person who looked like Zanny the Nanny (perfect teeth, curly hair who sometimes wears it straight, pretty, Latina, had a sister) to try and pin the disappearance on River Cruz? River told me that she certainly thought so."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 12, 2011, 03:15:22 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

In no way do I feel sorry for Casey and OJ had nothing done to his hand, he has arthritis and the hands can swell a lot during a flare plus I imagine leather sitting in the morning dew could shrink that glove.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 12, 2011, 03:37:39 AM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:45:40 AM
On Judge Jeanine tonight, that woman defense attorney (Jennifer) who reportedly upsided her husband's head with a perfume bottle, claims to be a consulting attorney for the defense.   Tonight, she was putting forward the Casey's defense team wild and horrendous defense and using the terms "we" and "our."    She discussed how people that have been sexually abused behave, as if it were a fact.  She also put forward that in depositions its all right there that Kronk had "custody" of the remains, whether physical or not.  She said that Kronk got in touch with his "entire family" to tell them he would be rich & had control of the body since August but Judy Jeanine shot her down to remind her that a $225,000 reward was IN PLACE  in August, why not collect it then?   The guy (I know his name it evades me at the moment) said that only one person put Caylee's body there & that is Casey so Jennifer went to interrupt him but Judge Jeannie asked her "If not Casey, then who?   Jennifer then said flat out "I think Jose is insinuating that George did it..." (originally put Caylee's body in the woods).

Keep in mind she is not in the courtroom & she is by her own mouth stating that she is part of the defense team (by way of consulting-ps is she getting paid?).  Im still watching the recording to listen to what else she has to say BUT

I cry foul!!  ::boxingbaez2:: ::boxingbaez2::
::MonkeyRoll:: I missed the program, but just put in on record when it comes on later again tonight.

Jennifer Barringer also said that the reason that Casey did not cal 911  (prepare yourselves) was because her father told her he would take care of this & now she is in a position to have to protect her father.    NO WAY JOSE, that selfish lying evil slore would NEVER sit in jail for her father or anyone else if that were the case.   I believe Jennifer crossed the line tonight & Im on a tear about it!

I do not know her and don't remember seeing her before, but to me she came off as someone who "wanted" to be a part of this case and was a groupie for bozo. She sounded like she was trying to insert herself into the case but just using the same old jargon bozo has been putting out in the press all along.  Nothing she said made any sense in the real world and I think most everyone pointed that out to her except stupid Geraldo who is never right on any case he covers.

Jennifer Barringer, defense attorney (worked on Phil Spector case)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/head_blow_de_cologne_Wd89pjN4dcXRNzONGBtrZJ

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/06/07/is-the-prosecution-blowing-the-casey-anthony-case/

(http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/03/17/news/photos_stories/Jennifer_Barringer--300x300.jpg)
PINSKY: Tonight, experts testify about photos and videos from Casey Anthony`s cell phone and incriminating searches on the Anthony home computer.

We`re going inside Casey`s defense team. With us still is Mark Eiglarsh. He is in the studio with me.

And now joining us attorney Jennifer Barringer. She is a consultant for Casey`s defense team.

Jennifer, you have said that you were upset that people are presuming Casey is guilty. Tell us about that.

JENNIFER BARRINGER, CONSULTANT FOR CASEY ANTHONY`S DEFENSE TEAM: Absolutely. I think, you know, in this country, we thrive on innocent until proven guilty. And what we`ve got here is we have all of the press and everyone saying that she`s guilty. And, of course, there are a lot of facts that just are missing in the state`s case.

They have gaping holes that they need to fill that they haven`t filled. And I know it`s a horrible, horrible crime, and it`s just a disaster, and it certainly creates a lot of upset feelings in a lot of people, but you can`t jump to conclusions like that. It`s never a good idea.
MORE HERE & WORTH A READ AS MARK EIGLARSH goes toe to toe with this bleached out botox less than a wonder  http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1106/08/ddhln.01.html

"horrible, horrible crime"??  I thought Bozo said it was an accident!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:48:12 AM
Hi monkeys!
I don't know about all of you but since the trial started i am having nightmares..i wonder if the jurors are experienced the same ::boxingcasey2::

me too - and I have a 2 1/2 year old daughter so nights aren't good for me.  Those jurors don't really have anyone to lean on/talk to!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 04:02:07 AM
A number of people have slandered George outside of court on various TV shows and he could certainly file a lawsuit for that, but I note he hasn't.

---
George is a public figure now whether he likes it or not. He falls under the category of Michael Jackson.
With all he's got going on right now in life - he'd be better off doing yard work or doing some dirty dishes
than thinking of suing people.

I highly suspected him of being a molester, long before Casey started leaking it or the defense threw him under a bus.

Incestual families have a very loose grasp on proper boundaries. George cutting the cord. eewwwww still makes me do
the icky dance - even to type it. George getting his ears pierced for Casey. I could also tell very early on in this
case he was very confused as to what he was, a father or grandfather. He showed it in his OVER EMPHASIS of the words,
which of course means it is highly sensitive to him and that he get it right.

I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

You ain't fooled me, grandpa. I gots my eyeball on you twinkle toes. ::MonkeyEek::

I believe an overwhelming majority of George's problems have started at his zipper and then radiated outward.

Little JoJo said to Big JoJo "Hey, we should have some funny times." It's what happens when you don't go to
work all day and sit around watching Caylee's Veggie Tales DVD's ... BY YOURSELF.

Again: I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

Definitely DO NOT agree.  I also do not think for a second even that if Cindy even had an inkling that he was molesting the Queen hoebag they would be together any longer, nor would Cindy allow George by Caylee, ever.  He is a very weird man, I will give you that, but the whole family is weird.  I hope afterwards he sues everybody or urges them to PROVE IT.  KC is a lier. 

I'm an incest survivor and not all families are like that.  Mine wasn't. 

I personally do not get the "molester" vibe from George.  I've said before that I think something happened with Lee though.  All of the women in my support group agree about George.  We just don't see it.  My best friend's father was in the delivery room when she had her soon and trust there is not a perverted bone in that man's body.  He & his kids are just very very close.  Me?  I don't agree with it but hey to each his own.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 04:06:33 AM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



I agree he doesn't have alot to work with but he shot himself in the foot be going overboard in his OS.  He should have just said it was an accident instead of throwing in George took the body & it somehow ended up with Kronk who stored it until he could hide it at just the right time to get the reward money.  Good grief.  If he would have said accident, Post traumatic stress etc he may have at least saved her life.  Now?  not so much!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Green Eyes on June 12, 2011, 04:17:10 AM
Senior moment here, sorry.....but where were the paper towels  located that they were referring to today, the ones with decomp etc. on?

 Are they the ones in the trash bag shown in previous pic exhibit?   

If so wouldn't the entire trash smell of decomp as it was contained in plastic trash bag?

Hey Babs  Sorry about the delay in answering your question. I was with you I couldn't figure out where these paper towels were from.  There was a wad of them in one picture and then there were some in a plastic bag. After re watching Dr. Haskell this morning, I figured out they were the ones we saw in both pictures. The wad and then the ones in the plastic bag. The wad of paper towels were placed into the plastic bag. Those are the ones he worked with and found the tiny flies and grave wax.  Hope that helps. There has been so much evidence it's hard to keep track of everything.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Green Eyes on June 12, 2011, 04:26:48 AM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



I agree he doesn't have alot to work with but he shot himself in the foot be going overboard in his OS.  He should have just said it was an accident instead of throwing in George took the body & it somehow ended up with Kronk who stored it until he could hide it at just the right time to get the reward money.  Good grief.  If he would have said accident, Post traumatic stress etc he may have at least saved her life.  Now?  not so much!

I agree. But he seems to be keying in on the duct tape and he is going to say only George had it and he got rid of roll.  Hence why he kept asking the CSI guy today about after all their searching in Dec. NO DUCT TAPE was found.  Maybe he gave it to Kronk to but on sweet little Caylee and Kronk got rid of it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: alagary on June 12, 2011, 06:29:21 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

In no way do I feel sorry for Casey and OJ had nothing done to his hand, he has arthritis and the hands can swell a lot during a flare plus I imagine leather sitting in the morning dew could shrink that glove.
Wearing the latex gloves made it harder to get it on also(http://www.glogster.com/media/5/23/26/9/23260960.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 06:36:37 AM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



I agree he doesn't have alot to work with but he shot himself in the foot be going overboard in his OS.  He should have just said it was an accident instead of throwing in George took the body & it somehow ended up with Kronk who stored it until he could hide it at just the right time to get the reward money.  Good grief.  If he would have said accident, Post traumatic stress etc he may have at least saved her life.  Now?  not so much!

I agree. But he seems to be keying in on the duct tape and he is going to say only George had it and he got rid of roll.  Hence why he kept asking the CSI guy today about after all their searching in Dec. NO DUCT TAPE was found.  Maybe he gave it to Kronk to but on sweet little Caylee and Kronk got rid of it.

oh good theory, he was pretty "redundant" with George & the tape on the gas cans remember.  He kept asking the same questions over and over.  You might be right.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Green Eyes on June 12, 2011, 06:46:22 AM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



I agree he doesn't have alot to work with but he shot himself in the foot be going overboard in his OS.  He should have just said it was an accident instead of throwing in George took the body & it somehow ended up with Kronk who stored it until he could hide it at just the right time to get the reward money.  Good grief.  If he would have said accident, Post traumatic stress etc he may have at least saved her life.  Now?  not so much!

I agree. But he seems to be keying in on the duct tape and he is going to say only George had it and he got rid of roll.  Hence why he kept asking the CSI guy today about after all their searching in Dec. NO DUCT TAPE was found.  Maybe he gave it to Kronk to put on sweet little Caylee and Kronk got rid of it.

oh good theory, he was pretty "redundant" with George & the tape on the gas cans remember.  He kept asking the same questions over and over.  You might be right.

The gas can and duct tape keep coming up over and over again. How he is going to connect George and the duct tape to Kronk I have no idea but I think that's what he is going to try. Even with Dr. Haskell yesterday he kept trying to say since there were so few blow flies in the trunk and where they found Caylee the reason was because George or Kronk had her someplace else before she was taken to where she was found.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 08:07:21 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 08:28:35 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/12/florida.anthony.trial.crowd/
Casey Anthony's trial is one hot ticket
By Ann O'Neill, CNN
June 12, 2011 2:49 a.m. EDT


Video at link.
Orlando, Florida (CNN) -- Casey Anthony, also known as the "tot mom," is no Lady Gaga, but her murder trial here is the hottest ticket in town.

People spend the night waiting in line for one of 50 courtroom seats reserved for the public. Tempers flare and police are called. And then, once they're given a ticket, they stampede like cattle.

Only in Florida, where criminal justice can be a spectator sport, are Disney World passes the back-up option.

Anthony, a 25-year-old high school dropout, is accused of capital murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee. If convicted of murder, she faces the death penalty.

What's the big draw?
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 08:36:34 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/28208177/detail.html
Graphic Caylee Skeletal Photos
POSTED: 6:59 pm EDT June 11, 2011
UPDATED: 11:45 pm EDT June 11, 2011


Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/28208177/detail.html#ixzz1P43RQREg



http://www.cbs12.com/news/flies-4733054-inspect-analyst.html
Inspect analyst talks flies at Anthony trial
June 12, 2011 7:38 AM

(http://images.onset.freedom.com/wpec/medium/lmodqw-lmodpocaseyanthonytriallatest.jpg)
Read more: http://www.cbs12.com/articles/flies-4733054-inspect-analyst.html#ixzz1P441Yim0


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 12, 2011, 08:42:27 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....

That is exactly my take on the duct tape.  Both George and Casey would have had access to it.  If it comes down to who they are going to believe I think it will be George.  There is no way for them to explain their bizarre contention that Kronk somehow hid the body for months.  Personally, if I think I have a way to get money I'm not going to wait several months.  I think none of their experts will be able to rebuff the states experts as to how long the body was there.  It is difficult for many of us to try to look at this as a juror because we have way more information than they do.  I also do not feel that the jury had the overwhelming sense of joy when the witness claimed that Baez hadn't paid him yet!!   ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 08:43:09 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....

Ok, hold it right there.
State at this point didn't ask, nor bozo.
George how many rolls of duct tape were there and did you buy them years ago at the same time?
State nor bozo has asked that question.
Why?

Jmo, I believe state hasn't asked all the questions regarding this tape. Just waiting for bozo to have George back the stand when it's their turn.
States going to be just waiting for the I got ya moment.  Bozo leaves again with egg on his face.

Since George WAS a cop for, what 10 years plus.
That George would use the same duct tape to put the flyer's up, on the gas and was used on Caylee.  Does this make any sense?

Btw the 4th piece of duct tape that was found 6 feet away from the remains, was that the first time anyone has heard about it?
Was for me.
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 08:45:49 AM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/11/2262579/casey-anthony-case-a-morbid-sensation.html#ixzz1P3eRZYSm
Posted on Saturday, 06.11.11
Casey Anthony case: a morbid sensation
The tale of an Orlando mom and her dead daughter has become a morbid sensation, with twists, turns, lies, tears — and an audience of millions.

BY AUDRA D.S. BURCH
aburch@MiamiHerald.com

ORLANDO -- Hours before sunrise, they line up on the sidewalk in front of the Orange County Courthouse by the dozens — an interior decorator from Savannah, a true-crime blogger from Illinois, a former Miami International Airport air traffic controller — all hoping for a chance to witness the blockbuster murder trial of Casey Anthony.

Armed with coffee and energy drinks, novels and crosswords puzzles, they sit or sprawl on the sidewalk waiting for 5:30 a.m. when the all-out — and much-videoed — sprint often begins to secure seats in the courtroom to watch a slice of the trial that has both fascinated and repelled the American public.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/11/2262579/casey-anthony-case-a-morbid-sensation.html#ixzz1P46Q41wN





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 08:49:29 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....

Ok, hold it right there.
State at this point didn't ask, nor bozo.
George how many rolls of duct tape were there and did you buy them years ago at the same time?
State nor bozo has asked that question.
Why?

Jmo, I believe state hasn't asked all the questions regarding this tape. Just waiting for bozo to have George back the stand when it's their turn.
States going to be just waiting for the I got ya moment.  Bozo leaves again with egg on his face.


Since George WAS a cop for, what 10 years plus.
That George would use the same duct tape to put the flyer's up, on the gas and was used on Caylee.  Does this make any sense?

Btw the 4th piece of duct tape that was found 6 feet away from the remains, was that the first time anyone has heard about it?
Was for me.
 ::MonkeyBike::
I agree :-) 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 08:55:08 AM
What everyone before my post has said again, George wouldn't of used the SAME tape if he did this to Caylee.

I believe(hope) the jury will just use their common sense.
 ::boxingjeffbaez:: ::boxingcasey2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 08:56:59 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....

That is exactly my take on the duct tape.  Both George and Casey would have had access to it.  If it comes down to who they are going to believe I think it will be George.  There is no way for them to explain their bizarre contention that Kronk somehow hid the body for months.  Personally, if I think I have a way to get money I'm not going to wait several months.  I think none of their experts will be able to rebuff the states experts as to how long the body was there.  It is difficult for many of us to try to look at this as a juror because we have way more information than they do.  I also do not feel that the jury had the overwhelming sense of joy when the witness claimed that Baez hadn't paid him yet!!   ::rhino::
Totally agree -
I do wish the jury had access to ALL the facts, but I'm sure it's not lost on them that the defense team opening statement was ridiculous and especially now that they (dt) have tried to discredit every single prosecution witness, but with the only hint of a 'theme' being that George is the only person to use the duct tape.  I.e., if their opening statement held any water (pardon the pun), then what does it really matter where the body was, etc.... ??? They're not even smart enough to make up a story that makes any sense!!  (which tells me Casey came up with it....)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 12, 2011, 09:03:42 AM

I do wish the jury had access to ALL the facts, but I'm sure it's not lost on them that the defense team opening statement was ridiculous and especially now that they (dt) have tried to discredit every single prosecution witness, but with the only hint of a 'theme' being that George is the only person to use the duct tape.  I.e., if their opening statement held any water (pardon the pun), then what does it really matter where the body was, etc.... ??? They're not even smart enough to make up a story that makes any sense!!  (which tells me Casey came up with it....)

I have to agree about Casey making it up.  I wouldn't put it past Baez to "embellish" it by way of suggestion either.  I think Mason is way too egotistical to risk the humiliation of disbarment. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 09:14:43 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....

That is exactly my take on the duct tape.  Both George and Casey would have had access to it.  If it comes down to who they are going to believe I think it will be George.  There is no way for them to explain their bizarre contention that Kronk somehow hid the body for months.  Personally, if I think I have a way to get money I'm not going to wait several months.  I think none of their experts will be able to rebuff the states experts as to how long the body was there.  It is difficult for many of us to try to look at this as a juror because we have way more information than they do.  I also do not feel that the jury had the overwhelming sense of joy when the witness claimed that Baez hadn't paid him yet!!   ::rhino::
Totally agree -
I do wish the jury had access to ALL the facts, but I'm sure it's not lost on them that the defense team opening statement was ridiculous and especially now that they (dt) have tried to discredit every single prosecution witness, but with the only hint of a 'theme' being that George is the only person to use the duct tape.  I.e., if their opening statement held any water (pardon the pun), then what does it really matter where the body was, etc.... ??? They're not even smart enough to make up a story that makes any sense!!  (which tells me Casey came up with it....)

Totally agree too.
The shock & and aw opening statement did just that.
Didn't work for Pres. Bush and how is it working for Bozo?

Bottom line, kc's whole persona is in her own words "I am spiteful bitch".
 ::boxingcasey2:: ::boxingjeffbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 09:29:48 AM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 09:36:23 AM
I knew I read that once and here it is.
Cindy apparently held back information about Casey borrowing her SUV at the end of June, around the time Casey claimed George had hit an animal with her car causing the horrible odor.

"Casey borrowed your green truck, George followed her and asked you and said she had borrowed your truck," Melich said.

"I don't know," Cindy told him.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html



I sort of remember there was a truck back in June 08 that pulled in the driveway of the A's.
If the truck is correct, couldn't kc just have taken Cindys car from her work parking lot and use it WITHOUT Cindy knowing it?
I wouldn't put anything past kc.
Wasn't it a pickup truck that backed in?  Or are we talking about 2 different events?
Was/is there any testimony about this?
 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 09:41:42 AM
Klaas, I wouldn't myself compare this to OJ's.

I would compare this, and have, to Scott Peterson's trial/murder of Laci.

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 09:49:49 AM
Klaas, I wouldn't myself compare this to OJ's.

I would compare this, and have, to Scott Peterson's trial/murder of Laci.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Better comparison, yes.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 09:54:16 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: sunshine12 on June 12, 2011, 09:54:24 AM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


 ::rhino:: there is no reasonable doubt in this case at all. the jury are instructed to not leave their common sense at the door


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Western Observr on June 12, 2011, 09:55:32 AM
Morning Monkeys!

Re: the duct tape - yes it does look like the DT is trying to narrow down the possibilities to GA.... But isn't it a matter of record (i.e. known by LE and state) that the same duct tape was used with the find caylee posters?   Do you think that prosecutors will call GA back to the stand to testify that, yeh, he used up all the duct tape and threw the spindle in the trash.  Of course none of that excludes the possibility that KC used the same tape.....

Ok, hold it right there.
State at this point didn't ask, nor bozo.
George how many rolls of duct tape were there and did you buy them years ago at the same time?
State nor bozo has asked that question.
Why?

Jmo, I believe state hasn't asked all the questions regarding this tape. Just waiting for bozo to have George back the stand when it's their turn.
States going to be just waiting for the I got ya moment.  Bozo leaves again with egg on his face.

Since George WAS a cop for, what 10 years plus.
That George would use the same duct tape to put the flyer's up, on the gas and was used on Caylee.  Does this make any sense?

Btw the 4th piece of duct tape that was found 6 feet away from the remains, was that the first time anyone has heard about it?
Was for me.
 ::MonkeyBike::

No, not the first time it has been mentioned, a lot of speculation online was that her hands were tied with it, since it was found well away from the skull, as were most of her bones, having been carried off by predators...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 09:56:31 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 10:02:01 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Babybear on June 12, 2011, 10:03:08 AM
A number of people have slandered George outside of court on various TV shows and he could certainly file a lawsuit for that, but I note he hasn't.

---
George is a public figure now whether he likes it or not. He falls under the category of Michael Jackson.
With all he's got going on right now in life - he'd be better off doing yard work or doing some dirty dishes
than thinking of suing people.

I highly suspected him of being a molester, long before Casey started leaking it or the defense threw him under a bus.

Incestual families have a very loose grasp on proper boundaries. George cutting the cord. eewwwww still makes me do
the icky dance - even to type it. George getting his ears pierced for Casey. I could also tell very early on in this
case he was very confused as to what he was, a father or grandfather. He showed it in his OVER EMPHASIS of the words,
which of course means it is highly sensitive to him and that he get it right.

I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

You ain't fooled me, grandpa. I gots my eyeball on you twinkle toes. ::MonkeyEek::

I believe an overwhelming majority of George's problems have started at his zipper and then radiated outward.

Little JoJo said to Big JoJo "Hey, we should have some funny times." It's what happens when you don't go to
work all day and sit around watching Caylee's Veggie Tales DVD's ... BY YOURSELF.

Again: I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

Definitely DO NOT agree.  I also do not think for a second even that if Cindy even had an inkling that he was molesting the Queen hoebag they would be together any longer, nor would Cindy allow George by Caylee, ever.  He is a very weird man, I will give you that, but the whole family is weird.  I hope afterwards he sues everybody or urges them to PROVE IT.  KC is a lier. 

I'm an incest survivor and not all families are like that.  Mine wasn't. 

I personally do not get the "molester" vibe from George.  I've said before that I think something happened with Lee though.  All of the women in my support group agree about George.  We just don't see it.  My best friend's father was in the delivery room when she had her soon and trust there is not a perverted bone in that man's body.  He & his kids are just very very close.  Me?  I don't agree with it but hey to each his own.

Even if one is a "Public figure," one may sue if libeled or slandered out of malice.  IMO George has indeed been slandered out of malice. I don't agree that George is a public figure, but perhaps a "Limited public figure."

As to whether or not one can "spot" a molester as a result of their own molestation, again I wish to disagree.  While I certainly sympathize with those who have been victimized by  this heinous crime, it does not make them an expert on the subject.  It makes them an expert only on their own experience.  It does not give them the ability to spot a molester a mile away.  When one trusts their "vibes" as a result of some past experience they have themselves had, and uses that feeling to accuse others, I feel it is very unfair.  There is no such ability.  I have seen no evidence whatsoever that George Anthony molested his daughter.  The mere fact that she, a proven liar, says so tends to make me lean the other way.

Being molested as a young child is I am sure one of the most terrifying experiences a child can go through, but it does not give them special psychic abilities.  Also, I hope they can live happy lives despite this experience and they don't let it define their entire lives.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 10:06:20 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 12, 2011, 10:07:04 AM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I have to believe that George and Cindy will be taking the stand again. They are going to have to go thru time lines and discuss the evidence that was entered yesterday, ie duct tape. They are going to end with a bang and with all evidence entered, they can ask anything that ties it all together.

I can't wait to hear the States closing argument.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 12, 2011, 10:11:50 AM
Klaas, I wouldn't myself compare this to OJ's.

I would compare this, and have, to Scott Peterson's trial/murder of Laci.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Better comparison, yes.

I would agree as well. I am actually doing a FP post as to why this case is not OJ ... its not even close. Any pundit who makes the comparison shows their lack of knowledge of this case and laziness.

The #1 reason why this isn't OJ ... THERE IS NO DREAM TEAM DEFENSE. Baez may think is is some great lawyer in his own mind and he may have dreams at night, but DREAM TEAM HE IS NOT.

 Neither is Team Casey. We see that on a daily basis as the prosecution runs rings around them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 10:19:59 AM
Why did Geoge Anthony's story change between his June 29, 2008 interview with LE and his May 27, 2011 testimony at the trial in regards to times as well as what he observed or did not observed inside of Casey trunk.

Janet

+++++


George Anthony gives conflicting statements during Casey Anthony trial (videos)
May 27th, 2011 12:37 pm ET


George Anthony testified that he had taken time off of work on June 24, 2008 for personal reasons and was surprised when Casey Anthony showed up in his garage at approximately 10:00 am.

<snipped>

George Anthony stated during the prosecutor’s line of questioning that he couldn’t see in the trunk, nor did he smell anything unusual

During cross examination by lead defense attorney, Jose Baez, however, it was determined that during a previous FBI interview, George Anthony stated that he did look in the trunk of the vehicle and saw clothes were present.

<snipped>

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-tampa-bay/george-anthony-gives-conflicting-statements-during-casey-anthony-trial-videos


TRANSCRIPT OF TAPED INTERVIEW OF GEORGE ANTHONY
CONDUCTED BY DETECTIVE EDWARDS
CASE NUMBER 08-74777
GA — GEORGE ANTHONY
SM - SCOTT MCELYEA, FBI
SB — SCOTT BOLIN, FBI

Page 41
GA: As I got home I know it was like 2:25 or 2:30 as I'm inside getting ready for this
interview that I had a couple hours ahead of time or about 4:30, 5 o'clock. The garage door goes up. Who comes in the house, my daughter.

Page 44
SB: Okay. When she popped the trunk were you back at the back of the car?
GA: Yeah. Yeah. There was definitely I could see clothes back there.
SB: Okay.
GA: She has a plastic blue bin that collapsible... we all have 'em in our vehicles.
SB: Yes.

Page 45
GA: And ah, and the gas cans were inside this blue bin that she had. 'Cause she
pulled 'ern out...

<snipped>

THIS TRANSCRIPT HAS BEEN REVIEWED FOR ACCURACY
Signed this 29 th day of June, 2009.
DETECTIVE CORPORAL MELICH, OCSO DEPUTY SHERIFF


June 29, 2009
http://files.realitychatter.com/CA/Docs/George-Anthony-FBI-Interview-7878-8000.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: joesamas mama on June 12, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 

  ::rhino:: I have no reasonable doubt, ICA is a murdering slore. I think OJ should have been convicted, but the Prosecution wasn't as good as what we are seeing with LDB, JA, Mr George and all the state witnesses. She will fry IMO  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 10:25:49 AM
 ::HelloKitty::  Good Morning Monkeys!

I have to agree with Klaas in that some are feeding into the DT's theory.  We all know that it came from bloggers anyway.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was looking around photobucket for the brackets that also had Henkle Duct tape on them.  I don't understand why this was not brought up during testimony, only the gas can, when there is a photo of both!

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/gascanbracketswithducttape.jpg)

Also, as Klaas stated, there is new Winnie the Pooh bedding that appeared after Caylee was gone, even tho Cindy admitted that a blanket was missing.  Here's a more recent photo of Caylee with the original WTP blanket.
   
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/CayleeWTPblanket.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 10:28:00 AM
Tamikosmom I want to give you a big thank you for all the links you continuously post here.  It's most appreciated! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 10:33:03 AM
Klaas, I wouldn't myself compare this to OJ's.

I would compare this, and have, to Scott Peterson's trial/murder of Laci.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Better comparison, yes.

I would agree as well. I am actually doing a FP post as to why this case is not OJ ... its not even close. Any pundit who makes the comparison shows their lack of knowledge of this case and laziness.

The #1 reason why this isn't OJ ... THERE IS NO DREAM TEAM DEFENSE. Baez may think is is some great lawyer in his own mind and he may have dreams at night, but DREAM TEAM HE IS NOT.

 Neither is Team Casey. We see that on a daily basis as the prosecution runs rings around them.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  More like the nightmare team


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Jesse on June 12, 2011, 10:40:23 AM
Why did Geoge Anthony's story change between his June 29, 2008 interview with LE and his May 27, 2011 testimony at the trial in regards to times as well as what he observed or did not observed inside of Casey trunk.

Janet
***************************************
i think maybe he was in the coverup mode back then as both he and cindy were and he said he looked in there because he was lying then and now he isnt, i dont think he did look in the trunk but wishes he had


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 10:43:43 AM
Tamikosmom I want to give you a big thank you for all the links you continuously post here.  It's most appreciated! 

tupelohoney

You made my day!!

Thank YOU.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ZooMomology on June 12, 2011, 10:46:17 AM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I have to believe that George and Cindy will be taking the stand again. They are going to have to go thru time lines and discuss the evidence that was entered yesterday, ie duct tape. They are going to end with a bang and with all evidence entered, they can ask anything that ties it all together.

I can't wait to hear the States closing argument.

While waking this morning, still lying in bed, this case was forefront yet again, and I was trying to think of what we had not seen yet. 

One thing we have not seen yet is the reaction to Caylee being found.  I would guess that lady police officer?  Or was that not allowed in? 

Another question, we knew from pretty much day of trial, what the State has as far as evidence.  Do we know what the dumbfense plans to use for evidence?  I suspect he will just use his own witness to dispute the state's expert witnesses, using the state's evidence?  If he had any exculpatory evidence, we would have seen it right?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 10:56:05 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Red on June 12, 2011, 10:57:51 AM
Klaas, I wouldn't myself compare this to OJ's.

I would compare this, and have, to Scott Peterson's trial/murder of Laci.

 ::MonkeyDevil::

Better comparison, yes.

I would agree as well. I am actually doing a FP post as to why this case is not OJ ... its not even close. Any pundit who makes the comparison shows their lack of knowledge of this case and laziness.

The #1 reason why this isn't OJ ... THERE IS NO DREAM TEAM DEFENSE. Baez may think is is some great lawyer in his own mind and he may have dreams at night, but DREAM TEAM HE IS NOT.

 Neither is Team Casey. We see that on a daily basis as the prosecution runs rings around them.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  More like the nightmare team
Right.

Who is the Barry Scheck in Team Baez? Scheck was an expert in DNA questioning because he knew what he was talking about and the whole DNA evidence was in its infancy.

Last time I checked Casey was not a celebrity, never played in the NFL and did not have a Heisman.

Casey is a white woman being tried in a county that is predominantly white.

And then the biggy, OJ killed his wife and her friend, oh allegedly. Casey Anthony is accused of killing her 2 year old precious little girl. The murder of children is put in a category unto itself.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: twocents on June 12, 2011, 10:57:58 AM
Klaas - Don't know if you want crime scene pics on the thread or in a special place. On FB page for Real-Radio-Daytona-WMFB there are some new very graphic pics of Caylee's skeleton :(. I know this is sad, but important evidence in the trial. They received permission from the court to publish them. I do not know how to link it without linking my FB page.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 10:59:01 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::

You're right, confusing KC with Caylee.  I'm thinking the heart stickers.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 10:59:40 AM
Klaas - Don't know if you want crime scene pics on the thread or in a special place. On FB page for Real-Radio-Daytona-WMFB there are some new very graphic pics of Caylee's skeleton :(. I know this is sad, but important evidence in the trial. They received permission from the court to publish them. I do not know how to link it without linking my FB page.


We have most of them here already in an Evidence Pics thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10084.60 (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10084.60)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:00:45 AM
http://www.acandyrose.com/casey_anthony_31days-062608.

OH kissing skeletons a few days after the tattoo. Oh gads. I have stronger words but can't print them here ::justice2NJ:: dedicated to Peaches too.

I can't remember if it was CBB or Cubbygirl here who was with her friend, in Court, whose daughter had been raped, murdered and the were barfing in Court. IMO just pass a wastebasket to Casey.

In some ways I feel sorry for Casey, but she's IMO has dug her own hole and now has to sit in it or be buried in it.

Don't forget in the OJ case they did something to his hand so the glove wouldn't fit. Thank goodness the prosecution, jury are different in Casey's trial if it doesn't get thrown out before or a hung jury. (ducking for any bananas coming my way)

Anyone with any common sense would have seen right through that glove trick. Of course any leather glove which has been wet (soaked in blood)  will shrink when dried as anyone who has leather gloves knows. What they had in the OJ case was a stacked jury of very poorly educated and minority members. I knew when I saw the jury selection, he would never be convicted as did most people. In the end though he ended up in jail and Cochran died of a brain tumor at an early age, so karma worked in the end.

That won't happen for KC. BTW, I am am the one whose friend''s daughter was a victim of a heinous crime.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Magnolia on June 12, 2011, 11:04:47 AM
To me the most important facts that the State has brought and proven are the
31 days of partying without reporting Caylee missing.   the blatant lies to the
police in the initial investigation,  the evidence of decomposition in the car,  the
vegetation growing through the remains and the bugs.   Both the botanist and
the bug guy said that the body had been there since a few days after death.
Then the duct tape found and the fact that Dr. G says that the cause of death is
homicide all point to Casey's guilt without a reasonable doubt.
I don't believe that any of these things can be disproved by the defense.   The small details are not important in my mind, but the big ones are enormous


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 12, 2011, 11:09:52 AM
Whoraldo is at it again.   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/geraldo-rivera-says-prosecution-wrong-for-using-caylee-anthony-skull-animation
Geraldo Rivera says prosecution wrong for using Caylee Anthony skull animation
 

Quote
Fox TV host Rivera was in the minority among his guests Saturday evening as he proclaimed, “...I believe that the prosecution has overplayed its hand in a way that is absolutely beyond contention... the shot of mom looking on as her baby morphs into a skeleton is the very definition of prejudicial over probative... this case will definitely be reversed.”
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 11:10:13 AM
Lillian Glass is saying River Cruz told her George sought someone that looked like Zanny the nanny (her - River Cruz) out to pin the murder on.  Have you guys heard about this?

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/ (http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/)

Here's the excerpt if you don't want to go to the blog

"Why did he have an alleged affair with River Cruz? According to River Cruz, George said that what happened to Caylee was an accident that snowballed.” River reached out to me and shared this information well before there was any talk of accidents. Did he seek out a person who looked like Zanny the Nanny (perfect teeth, curly hair who sometimes wears it straight, pretty, Latina, had a sister) to try and pin the disappearance on River Cruz? River told me that she certainly thought so."

I think Lillian Glass is full of chit. The police tracked river down from GA's phone records. She told the police this 'accident that snowballed' story immediately.  river sought GA out....LG needs to step away and not try to muddy the waters anymore than they are...MO


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: can on June 12, 2011, 11:11:07 AM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable. 

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.










 







Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KittyMom on June 12, 2011, 11:14:29 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAenfDqpUqBQ4Q5QivICQ5yRB8Lw?docId=496be0d1ef224e43943be655872166a0
Dozens jockey for coveted Anthony trial seats
Quote
Court spokeswoman Karen Levey said officials were in the process of coming up with another solution for distributing tickets after Friday's fracas.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Slogger on June 12, 2011, 11:15:38 AM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 11:17:10 AM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


THANK YOU!   the voice of reason!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 11:19:56 AM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable.  

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.




Good points. 
However we will never know.
The jurors will only have what the a's said in court under oath.

From the beginning in 08, I for one wanted the a's to be arrested for obstructing an investigation.
If they hadn't back in 08, this case would of been done, finished.
 ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
Whoraldo is at it again.   ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/geraldo-rivera-says-prosecution-wrong-for-using-caylee-anthony-skull-animation
Geraldo Rivera says prosecution wrong for using Caylee Anthony skull animation
 

Quote
Fox TV host Rivera was in the minority among his guests Saturday evening as he proclaimed, “...I believe that the prosecution has overplayed its hand in a way that is absolutely beyond contention... the shot of mom looking on as her baby morphs into a skeleton is the very definition of prejudicial over probative... this case will definitely be reversed.”
 
::snipping2:: from above link:

“Why don't you just say murderer in neon lights pointing at the mother,” he said.

 ::snipping2::

I have NO PROBLEM saying it.......

(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/3f/d9/3fd9b292fab0288eb4e31806d78c70c5.jpg)(http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o377/ikseasahc/Pink_arrow.gif)MURDERER




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 11:20:06 AM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I have to believe that George and Cindy will be taking the stand again. They are going to have to go thru time lines and discuss the evidence that was entered yesterday, ie duct tape. They are going to end with a bang and with all evidence entered, they can ask anything that ties it all together.

I can't wait to hear the States closing argument.

Morning Red!  Me too.  I hope  Jeff does it.....I love his passion!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 11:21:05 AM
sry, I messed that post up... ::MonkeyDevil::
Klaas can u fix it, again.....sry.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:21:21 AM
Why did Geoge Anthony's story change between his June 29, 2008 interview with LE and his May 27, 2011 testimony at the trial in regards to times as well as what he observed or did not observed inside of Casey trunk.

Janet
***************************************
i think maybe he was in the coverup mode back then as both he and cindy were and he said he looked in there because he was lying then and now he isnt, i dont think he did look in the trunk but wishes he had

I don't think it would have mattered. I am guessing she had her in plastic bags and the laundry bag even then and possibly had her covered with clothes or other garbage from Tony's.  Could have even had her in a cooler with ice - who knows, but I doubt George would have taken the time to look through that stuff as it appears her car was always a mess.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 11:22:45 AM
Could it be that George was relating the truth.  I cannot comprehend why he would make up the story encompassing the chase.

Think about it.  Casey did not have a vehicle in this time period.  It had been abandoned at Amscott on June 27, 2008?  Could this be the stolen vehicle Cindy was referring to in the 911 call?

Janet

++++

The Chase - According to LE

SUPPLEMENT RECORD
ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
CASE NO: 08-074777


Page 49:

Economics Detective Karen Toledo researched the Anthony’s E-Pass records for the dates in question.  Those reports are attached.  The records do no support George Anthony’s account regarding him chasing Casey Anthony after she took Cindy Anthony’s SUV.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155437.pdf


The Chase - According to George

Hundreds of legal documents in Casey Anthony case released
Amy L. Edwards, Sarah Lundy and Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
6:37 PM EDT, September 26, 2008


<snipped>

George Anthony chased Casey in desperation

Desperate to his find his daughter, George Anthony described how he chased Casey Anthony on State Road 408 in late June -- more than two weeks before Caylee was reported missing to authorities. He said he was tired of her "evasiveness."

"I saw her leaving [the house] in my wife's vehicle," George Anthony said in an Aug. 4 interview with cops. "I saw her driving up Chickasaw and getting on the 408 ... I'm tired of this."

He couldn't remember what day it was and suggested investigators check his E-pass records.

"My daughter was driving fast as she could," he said. "I think she knew I was behind her . . . I was trying to stay a reasonable distance, maybe a 100 yards away from her."

He followed her to Hiawassee and Kirkman roads but lost her.

<snipped>

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-caylee-documents-092608,0,6419224.story


The Chase - According to Cindy

Cindy Anthony Talks To Investigators About Zanny, Caylee In Newly Released Interview
POSTED: 4:35 pm EDT September 26, 2008
UPDATED: 6:04 pm EDT September 26, 2008


<snipped>

But detective Yuri Melich confronted Cindy about withholding evidence that could lead to Caylee.

"I asked you for your credit card records. I still don't have it," Melich said.

"I gave you receipts," Cindy replied.

"You can't hold it back," Melich said.

Cindy apparently held back information about Casey borrowing her SUV at the end of June, around the time Casey claimed George had hit an animal with her car causing the horrible odor.

"Casey borrowed your green truck, George followed her and asked you and said she had borrowed your truck," Melich said.

"I don't know," Cindy told him.

<snipped>

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567283/detail.html



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: 4 Donks on June 12, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable. 

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.















Can...the truth never changes. The A's have told so many mistruths, half truths and out and out lies that I doubt they know what the truth is anymore.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 11:25:20 AM
Have a good Sunday Monkeys

Janet
8:20 AM PT


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:26:51 AM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable.  

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.


I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 11:27:12 AM

Can...the truth never changes. The A's have told so many mistruths, half truths and out and out lies that I doubt they know what the truth is anymore.


Exactly!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 11:28:59 AM
Klaas - Don't know if you want crime scene pics on the thread or in a special place. On FB page for Real-Radio-Daytona-WMFB there are some new very graphic pics of Caylee's skeleton :(. I know this is sad, but important evidence in the trial. They received permission from the court to publish them. I do not know how to link it without linking my FB page.


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Real-Radio-Daytona-WMFB-Daytona-Beach/174731405877338

Real Radio Daytona - WMFB Daytona Beach
The photos are to be viewed with viewers discretion. We have added these photos under the approval of the Orange County Courts. NOTE: (EDITOR'S NOTE: The court offers no objection to the distribution of this unaltered evidence photo)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: can on June 12, 2011, 11:34:19 AM
Pharlap, I agree.  I have been furious with Cindy and George for their attempts to hinder the investigation. 

4Donks.  You're right, the truth does not change. 
Teach your children how to love and they will love.

Teach your children how to lie and they will lie, comes to mind.

and so on...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:37:52 AM
One thing I need to say is if the Anthonys had told the truth from the beginning and told all the details about the grandmother's checks, the credit cards, the fight with Cindy, etc. this case would have been solved LONG ago. I am convinced THEY KNEW she was dead, they just didn't know how or where she was. I believe they used the "she is missing" campaign for their own finances. They NEVER ONCE went out personally walking around hunting for that child. They set up tents and took money while others did all the work. They didn't really ask TES there but when Tim came they acted like they wanted him there but then would not cooperate with him. That told me they KNEW she was dead at the time. A grandparent would DO ANYTHING to find their child if they thought they were missing.

Yes, Cindy was really sobbing on the stand, but like KC I see her sobbing for what might have been and herself. She has to be sad to finally realize she raised a psychopathic killer, but she had the signs for years and did nothing. Did they contribute to Caylee's death? In my eyes they might as well killed her because they knew KC was unstable and let her take that baby. It would be like leaving your child with a known pedophile and "assuming" nothing would happen.  If Cindy had the guts to choke KC, then surely she had the power to keep Caylee that night instead of letting KC leave with her knowing how rageful KC had been in the past. They knew her temper, and they knew Caylee was in danger from that temper because they walked on egg shells around KC to keep from setting her off.

I still think they are trying to cover up for KC and the prime example of that is that bogus story about how they sat around the computer looking at pictures when the neighbors said they heard KC screaming and cussing the night of the 15th. She told NOTHING about that fight and neither has George which I believe contributed directly to Caylee being murdered.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: can on June 12, 2011, 11:41:06 AM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable. 

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.


I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

I would so like to see them penalized for their lies, but I doubt that will happen.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 11:44:13 AM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:44:56 AM

Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

I am thinking they matched the frame and the matting on the picture at the remains scene.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:46:17 AM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Jesse Grund was also told there was a terrible fight between KC and Cindy. KC called him or texted him and told him all about it. He has not testified yet, so he may be asked about that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 11:46:28 AM

I would so like to see them penalized for their lies, but I doubt that will happen.


can ... I agree.

I would assume that obstruction of justice is a felony.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Slogger on June 12, 2011, 11:50:42 AM

Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

I am thinking they matched the frame and the matting on the picture at the remains scene.

Exactly what I was thinking!  Further, if they can show the frames and photos in Casey's room before and not after . . . it clearly connects Casey with the scene.  No one else would toss out those photos.  MO, Cindy to the rescue, replacing the photos in Casey's room.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: can on June 12, 2011, 11:50:43 AM
To me the most important facts that the State has brought and proven are the
31 days of partying without reporting Caylee missing.   the blatant lies to the
police in the initial investigation,  the evidence of decomposition in the car,  the
vegetation growing through the remains and the bugs.   Both the botanist and
the bug guy said that the body had been there since a few days after death.
Then the duct tape found and the fact that Dr. G says that the cause of death is
homicide all point to Casey's guilt without a reasonable doubt.
I don't believe that any of these things can be disproved by the defense.   The small details are not important in my mind, but the big ones are enormous

 ::rhino:: I also think the dog's hits in the A's garden will assist the jurors.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:53:29 AM

I would so like to see them penalized for their lies, but I doubt that will happen.


can ... I agree.

I would assume that obstruction of justice is a felony.

Janet

They should be charged because they cost the detectives and the taxpayers of Florida a ton of money running down their bogus leads about seeing Caylee. They caused this case to run for years instead of months if they had told the truth in the beginning. As soon as KC told that story about the nanny if I were them I would have KNOWN it was all a lie because NO ONE had ever met her. Talk about a choking incident, there would have been more than that in my home. She would have told me or else but what does Cindy do? Give her the answer to what lie to tell.  They KNEW that was a lie and I think Cindy even made KC try to run that story when she called the police and then came into the room with KC and Lee and said " who took her?" before KC even told the story about a nanny.  I think KC decided then a story about a kidnapping would work.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: can on June 12, 2011, 11:54:28 AM

I would so like to see them penalized for their lies, but I doubt that will happen.


can ... I agree.

I would assume that obstruction of justice is a felony.

Janet

But, but, C & A are special!   ::MonkeyTongue::

No doubt you're happy to see Canucks have 3 under their belt.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tevye on June 12, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 

And now they wouldn't have allowed the gloves to be washed!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Jesse on June 12, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:00:09 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then.  

And now they wouldn't have allowed the gloves to be washed!

And dried in a dryer which was never brought out. You can wash women's leather gloves and dry them in a dryer to make kids gloves of them as I have done that accidentally before. Those jurors were just too stupid and too racially biased to make a reasonable decision as to guilt.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 12, 2011, 12:00:11 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 

And now they wouldn't have allowed the gloves to be washed!

 ::MonkeyAngel:: It was 17 years ago today that Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were murdered.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 12:00:34 PM
We know Cindy, George and Lee turned a blind eye and made excuses for Casey

We suspect Cindy, George and Lee were less than honest about some things to protect Casey

We know that Cindy and George loved Caylee with all there heart and there is ZERO evidence that George ever harmed Caylee or Casey.

We know Casey is a spiteful bitch and is the only one capable of harming Caylee.  Casey may be bipolar or split personality (Casey = Zanny) or may simply be a spoiled monster but in the end, we know she is the guilty party and knew exactly what she was doing.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:00:56 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


I completely agree on so many levels.   Bottom line every defense allegation, explanation, accusation, excuse IS A LIE, every flippin word of it.   There is one line in this trial that is all the truth anyone needs...."Maybe its because Im a spiteful B"  ::boxingcasey2::

Bottom line


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:01:19 PM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 12:02:47 PM
I believe the Winnie the Pooh bedding set comes out in various designs periodically.
Obviously, the blanket was missing along with Casey and Caylee.
Cindy may very well have wanted to keep the set complete as this was the theme of Caylee's room.
Since the blanket was missing, there was no telling where it was, the condition of it or if Casey would even return it.
Cindy was a doting grandmother to Caylee.
I don't view replacing the blanket as something sinister, or proof of a cover-up, but that's just my thoughts on this issue.
Casey and Caylee were seperate people and Cindy had seperate relationships with each of them.
As a parent and grandparent, when your children are grown they are adults responsible for their own actions and the consequences of their actions.
But- the grandchildren, especially toddlers, need someone to look out for them 24/7. 
Cindy appeared to be doing this.
With all the other issues, directly created by and caused by Casey, it seems like this blanket is a moot point. 
Even if Cindy purchased 15 blankets, Casey is the sole responsiible party for Caylee's death.
Casey, by her own hand, maliciously and deliberately murdered this child. 
What parent wants to acknowledge that?  As any parent, I'm sure Cindy and George were in serious denial.  You can't fault these people for wanting to believe in their child.  How would any of us respond put in this same position?
I just hope none of us ever have to find out-MK


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:06:21 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

The defense's statement there is stupid because Casey did live at home & did return to the home several times BEFORE she was arrested & during the time that the spiteful B didnt report Caylee "missing," so it doesnt matter whatsoever what happened from July 15th to Dec 11th, 2008.    It i equally as ridiculous that she didnt fess up because she was protecting her father -- I cant even feel any empathy for anyone that gives an credence to this bunk and bull coming from Casey & her defense team.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 12:09:58 PM

Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

I am thinking they matched the frame and the matting on the picture at the remains scene.

Exactly what I was thinking!  Further, if they can show the frames and photos in Casey's room before and not after . . . it clearly connects Casey with the scene.  No one else would toss out those photos.  MO, Cindy to the rescue, replacing the photos in Casey's room.

Spot on!     ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 12:13:10 PM
OK think of what Baez said in his objection to the pics of Casey's room ... she had not lived in the home for 6 months. It is the defense's premise that Caylee drown, yes I know its BS, but we must prove its BS. So if Caylee wondered out to the pool in the AM as others were sleeping ... I though KC did not live in the home? From what Baez just stated.Yet she had access to the house, including the shed which Baez made a point to say there was a lock on. Well of course KC had access to shed she took the gas cans.

The duct tape is a loser as all the State was doing was entering it into evidence, they will be explaining it later when the tie it altogther. It is shameful that Casey and Baez are trying to pin this all on George. If she was my daughter, she might as well be found guilty because she would be already dead to me.

BBM.  I agree with you.  I love my daughter more than life itself, but if she were to (God help me) turn out like Casey, I'd be done with her.

Hi Red

With all due respect I think there is confusion over the date the pics were taken and when Casey did not live at home.

Those pics of Casey's room were taken in December of 2008 after little Caylee's body was found..when LE went back to Hopespring Dr to search the house for evidence relating to what was found at the disposal site.

In December Casey had not lived at the house for approx 6 months, discounting the time she was out on bail, because she had been in jail.

At the time of Caylee's death in June of 2008 Casey and Caylee were still living at the home of George and Cindy.





Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Samarie on June 12, 2011, 12:13:52 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

I'm a few pages behind, so I apologize if this has already been brought up....

Bozo is just plain wrong! He objected to pics of KC's bedroom being entered into evidence. This pic was taken in Dec, after Caylee's body was discovered on Suburban. One reason Bozo gave for NOT allowing the photo was that KC hadn't lived in the room for 6months...BS! IIRC LP bailed Skanky's arse out in early Sept. and she was arrested on "new" charges on or around Oct . 14th. Therefore KC had not lived in her room on Hopespring for about 2 months, maybe even a few days shy of 2 mos., at the time the evidence photot was taken....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::

You're right, confusing KC with Caylee.  I'm thinking the heart stickers.

It is regarding the heart stickers, we have pictures of what was retrieved from Casey's room which included heart sticker sheets & if memory serves an envelope with a heart sticker taken from it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 12:14:19 PM
One thing I need to say is if the Anthonys had told the truth from the beginning and told all the details about the grandmother's checks, the credit cards, the fight with Cindy, etc. this case would have been solved LONG ago. I am convinced THEY KNEW she was dead, they just didn't know how or where she was. I believe they used the "she is missing" campaign for their own finances. They NEVER ONCE went out personally walking around hunting for that child. They set up tents and took money while others did all the work. They didn't really ask TES there but when Tim came they acted like they wanted him there but then would not cooperate with him. That told me they KNEW she was dead at the time. A grandparent would DO ANYTHING to find their child if they thought they were missing.

Yes, Cindy was really sobbing on the stand, but like KC I see her sobbing for what might have been and herself. She has to be sad to finally realize she raised a psychopathic killer, but she had the signs for years and did nothing. Did they contribute to Caylee's death? In my eyes they might as well killed her because they knew KC was unstable and let her take that baby. It would be like leaving your child with a known pedophile and "assuming" nothing would happen.  If Cindy had the guts to choke KC, then surely she had the power to keep Caylee that night instead of letting KC leave with her knowing how rageful KC had been in the past. They knew her temper, and they knew Caylee was in danger from that temper because they walked on egg shells around KC to keep from setting her off.

I still think they are trying to cover up for KC and the prime example of that is that bogus story about how they sat around the computer looking at pictures when the neighbors said they heard KC screaming and cussing the night of the 15th. She told NOTHING about that fight and neither has George which I believe contributed directly to Caylee being murdered.
::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: littletxlady on June 12, 2011, 12:16:49 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:17:07 PM
Here is the record of some her calls on the 15th and don't forget Tony came on her and answered some questions too which are very interesting now we know more.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3434.20

June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:08pm - 07:10pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:08pm Casey called Home:
@ 407-275-4909
06/15 07:10pm 0min    .    
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:13pm - 07:36pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:13pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:36pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:36pm est
Cindy Anthony:
pdf: (04/09/09 depo)
When Casey came home she wanted to go swimming also but Cindy said sun went down, it was too cold and she was ready to take Caylee out of the swimming pool. The normal routine is to remove the pool ladder.    .    
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:36pm - 07:37pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:36pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:37pm 0min    .    
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:37pm - 07:38pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:37pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:38pm 0min    .    
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:41pm - 07:42pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:41pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:42pm 0min    .
.    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:42pm - 07:43pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:42pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:43pm 0min    .    
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:43pm - 07:44pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:43pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:44pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:46pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:46pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:46pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:47pm - 07:48pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:47pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:48pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:49pm - 07:48pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:49pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:49pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:50pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:50pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:50pm 0min    .
.    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:56pm - 07:58pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:56pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 07:58pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:59pm - 08:00pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 07:59pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:00pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:04pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:04pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:04pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:07pm - 08:08pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:07pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:08pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:14pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:14pm 0minAmy texted Casey:
From 954-328-9214
06/15 08:14pm 0min
"So I'm gonna job hunt tom wee"    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:14pm - 08:15pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:14pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:15pm 0min    .
.    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:15pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Amy:
@ 954-328-9214
06/15 08:15pm 0min
"Good stuff love!"Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:15pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:19pm - 08:21pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:19pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:21pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:23pm - 08:33pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:23pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:33pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:40pm - 08:41pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:40pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:41pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:50pm - 08:51pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:51pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:50pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:53pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:53pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:53pm 0min    .
.    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
08:54pm - 08:56pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 08:54pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 08:56pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
09:07pm - 09:08pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 09:07pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 09:08pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
09:09pm - 09:15pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 09:09pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-544
06/15 09:15pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
09:16pm - 09:25pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 09:25pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 09:16pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
09:26pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 09:26pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 09:26pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
09:26pm - 10:05pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 09:26pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:05pm 0min    .
.    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:06pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey called Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:06pm 10m    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:25pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:25pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:25pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:35pm - 10:36pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:35pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:36pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:36pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:36pm 0minCasey called Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:36pm 4min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:43pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:43pm 0minTony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:43pm 0min    .    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:45pm - 10:48pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony called Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:45pm 3minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:48pm 0min    .
.    June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:49pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Tony texted Casey:
From 631-902-5443
06/15 10:49pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:49pm 0min
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
10:49pm - 11:02pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 10:49pm 0minCasey texted Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 11:02pm 0min
June 15, 2008 (Sun)
11:44pm
Casey Anthony Calls:
06/15/2008 Phone Log
Casey called Tony:
@ 631-902-5443
06/15 11:44pm 80mThis call carried over into the early morning and ending at 1:05am 06/16/08


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:17:57 PM
Lillian Glass is saying River Cruz told her George sought someone that looked like Zanny the nanny (her - River Cruz) out to pin the murder on.  Have you guys heard about this?

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/ (http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/)

Here's the excerpt if you don't want to go to the blog

"Why did he have an alleged affair with River Cruz? According to River Cruz, George said that what happened to Caylee was an accident that snowballed.” River reached out to me and shared this information well before there was any talk of accidents. Did he seek out a person who looked like Zanny the Nanny (perfect teeth, curly hair who sometimes wears it straight, pretty, Latina, had a sister) to try and pin the disappearance on River Cruz? River told me that she certainly thought so."

I think Lillian Glass is full of chit. The police tracked river down from GA's phone records. She told the police this 'accident that snowballed' story immediately.  river sought GA out....LG needs to step away and not try to muddy the waters anymore than they are...MO

ITA

It was interesting that a much more respectable body language expert, Tonya Reiman on Judge Jeanine last night went thru reactions from Cindy, George & Casey.  In essence,Tonya said that Cindy's testimony & grief was real & wrenching, George was telling the truth & Casey although shed a few tears carried it on for drama.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 12:18:12 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you.
Now what would of(I really can't think like kc) kc use them for, how/why did they get broken?
Maybe that room WAS the crime scene.   

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 12:19:56 PM
Nothing that comes out of the defense team camp should surprise anyone.

They are doing everything they can to keep Casey from getting the DP and it doesn't matter who they have to throw under the bus to accomplish this.

Or, what they have to do to re-route the focus away from Casey.

The are trying to create reasonable doubt.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Jesse on June 12, 2011, 12:20:53 PM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.
that should put a hole in George's statement not sure why we havent heard that, the jurors will not hear alot of what we all know, i hope they make the right decision


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 12:21:34 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.
I have not heard of that but would be the perfect ace in the hole for the prosecution, if they had a witness to testify..... there is the everpresent "hearsay" problem tho.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:26:22 PM
I believe the Winnie the Pooh bedding set comes out in various designs periodically.
Obviously, the blanket was missing along with Casey and Caylee.
Cindy may very well have wanted to keep the set complete as this was the theme of Caylee's room.
Since the blanket was missing, there was no telling where it was, the condition of it or if Casey would even return it.
Cindy was a doting grandmother to Caylee.
I don't view replacing the blanket as something sinister, or proof of a cover-up, but that's just my thoughts on this issue.
Casey and Caylee were seperate people and Cindy had seperate relationships with each of them.


It was the timing of the blanket replacement which screamed to me it was a cover up. If Cindy was concerned about it she would have replaced it immediately not after the police were involved and asking about the bedding.

As for KC and Caylee having separate relationships with Cindy, that would be true in a functional family, but in this family you can see from just the small amount of information about them out there that the whole family was so enmeshed in each other there were no boundaries.

KC resented Cindy's love of Caylee just like she resented Jesse's love for her. She could not take anyone close to her loving Caylee more than her, she is a psychopath. Nothing was going to stand in her way of getting what SHE wanted. Her gig was up with all the lies about work and her next plan had not kicked in like she had envisioned, so she was caught between a rock and a hard spot with not only her parents but Tony. Poor little Caylee got the brunt of her rage.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 12:26:23 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:27:46 PM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I have to believe that George and Cindy will be taking the stand again. They are going to have to go thru time lines and discuss the evidence that was entered yesterday, ie duct tape. They are going to end with a bang and with all evidence entered, they can ask anything that ties it all together.

I can't wait to hear the States closing argument.

Morning Red!  Me too.  I hope  Jeff does it.....I love his passion!

Me too Sunny! But I think Linda could handle her just as well..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 12, 2011, 12:29:09 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.
I have not heard of that but would be the perfect ace in the hole for the prosecution, if they had a witness to testify..... there is the everpresent "hearsay" problem tho.....
This hotel sighting was bogus. imo
I belonged to the bounty hunter forum at the time. Leonard got a call from someone who claimed to see ICA in a parking lot the night in question. He only got the one message and was unable to get in touch with the caller.
Moot point now...move on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 12:30:42 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:33:24 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you.
Now what would of(I really can't think like kc) kc use them for, how/why did they get broken?
Maybe that room WAS the crime scene.   

 ::MonkeyBike::

Did we not see broken or intact picture frames at the Suburban Dr crime scene? 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:34:40 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance


I don't see any resemblance at all. Maybe I am missing something.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 12:35:37 PM

 Her gig was up with all the lies about work and her next plan had not kicked in like she had envisioned, so she was caught between a rock and a hard spot with not only her parents but Tony. Poor little Caylee got the brunt of her rage.



Who was that guy, I want to say Mark something or another.

He b/s'ed the wife about school, and they were going to move and he shot her- bought a new mattress.  They searched the dump looking for her.  I think she worked in a bank.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 12:35:38 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:36:14 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

That is interesting that you see that. I don't see any resemblance at all.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:37:02 PM
If I remember Jeff Hopkins testimony correctly, he had not seen KC since high school. The Jeff Hopkins KC made up had a little boy that the nanny babysat also and this JH has no children.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 12:37:07 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.
exactly....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:37:36 PM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Jesse Grund was also told there was a terrible fight between KC and Cindy. KC called him or texted him and told him all about it. He has not testified yet, so he may be asked about that.

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:37:41 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.

And Cindy will have to live with that for the rest of her life...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:38:25 PM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Jesse Grund was also told there was a terrible fight between KC and Cindy. KC called him or texted him and told him all about it. He has not testified yet, so he may be asked about that.

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....

That is how I remember it as well Sunny!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:39:58 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.
exactly....

YES! And then we have Cindy's exclamation of "what have you done"...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 12:40:27 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

Your right.
The cloths that Caylee wore doing the visit wasn't what she wore on Monday 6-16-08.
George had to of seen both kc and Caylee Monday.
Either kc was carrying Caylee or both walked.

http://wn.com/Caylee_Marie_Anthony_Reads_a_Book__Nursing_Home_Visit



 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 12:41:04 PM
We know Cindy, George and Lee turned a blind eye and made excuses for Casey

We suspect Cindy, George and Lee were less than honest about some things to protect Casey

We know that Cindy and George loved Caylee with all there heart and there is ZERO evidence that George ever harmed Caylee or Casey.

We know Casey is a spiteful bitch and is the only one capable of harming Caylee.  Casey may be bipolar or split personality (Casey = Zanny) or may simply be a spoiled monster but in the end, we know she is the guilty party and knew exactly what she was doing.



Klaas

Monkeys never gave Anita and Paulus van der Sloot a pass.  Both parents persued an agenda based on lies to protect their son from the legal consequences of his actions despite Joran's history related to anger issues.  Justice for Natalee Holloway was never a consideration.  Other "Natalees" were never a consideration.

It is my belief that ONLY Casey was involved in the happenings encompassing the demise of Caylee.

However ... it did not take long for Cindy and George to put the pieces of the puzzle together following the pick up of Casey's vehicle from the tow yard.  Cindy and George's respective professions ... their immediate reactions ... dictated that both recognized the decomposition odor that engulfed the trunk.

It was then that an immediate cover up took place to distance their daughter from implication despite their knowledge of Casey's history.  Justice for Caylee was not a consideration.

IMO

Janet

++++


TAPED TRANSCRIPT OF JESSE AARON GRUND
INTERVIEW CONDUCTED BY CORPORAL MELICH
CASE NUMBER – 08-69208
SEPTEMBER 9, 2008


<snipped>

YM: So she went to uh, Orlando Regional Medical Center or Winter Park. Do you ever, did you go there? Did you….

JG: Yes, I did. I went there. Uhm, I actually called her family on the phone….

YM: Uh-hum (affirmative).

JG: …while the paramedics were tending to her. Uhm, sh…they had no idea she was even over at my place, or that we were even talking again. Uhm, they went to the hospital. I sat in the hospital for a while. Uhm, we went, we ended up going back later on that night because she was admitted because they didn’t know why the seizure happened. We went back over to my apartment uhm, to pick up her car. And uhm, I didn’t get to tell you this, but her dad, her dad pulled me aside and said, “Look, I don’t know what’s going on between the two of you, but you’re a really good guy Jesse and you’ve got a lot going for you. And you treat her really well and you treat my granddaughter extremely well. But you don’t need to be around Casey because she has some problems that we need to get her help for.”

YM: Such as what?

JG: He wouldn’t expand upon it. He said it’s not issue, his, he, he, the only thing he further on said was uhm, “She, she’s not a good person right now. She’s not in a right place.”

<snipped>

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/Grund,%20Jesse.03.090808.pdf


 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:41:44 PM

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....

I thought KC & Lee both told him about it for some reason. I guess when he testifies we will find out. I was thinking Lee told George as he was at work. Maybe I have it mixed up.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: littletxlady on June 12, 2011, 12:42:38 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)

JP was my first guess in the beginning. Then I kept thinking how she intergrates real life into her lies and thought maybe, but I think you are right Jeff...no, JP...yes. Thank you that clears up that...lol!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:43:06 PM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

LP said he received an anonymous phone call from a man who said he saw her pacing in the parking lot of a hotel...I personally think this was just more BS for LP....I saw him on some show can't remember which one...but the commentator asked him if he got the phone number of the caller, did he check his phone to get the number, and LP looked like OH CHIT andsaid NO...I called BS then and still do


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 12:43:47 PM
Janet - I'm not giving Cindy, George or Lee a pass, I still believe they all obstructed justice for Caylee but I don't believe Cindy, George or Lee harmed Caylee. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:45:03 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 

And now they wouldn't have allowed the gloves to be washed!

 ::MonkeyAngel:: It was 17 years ago today that Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were murdered.   ::MonkeyAngel::

WOW....how time flies....it seems like just a couple years ago... RIP Nicole and Ron


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)

JP was my first guess in the beginning. Then I kept thinking how she intergrates real life into her lies and thought maybe, but I think you are right Jeff...no, JP...yes. Thank you that clears up that...lol!
well, except that, by all accounts, Casey and JP did not meet until spring of 2008. 
I am remembering that LE released a statement in the fall of 2008 stating that they knew the identity of Caylee's father and that it was not relevant to the case, and would say no more on the subject. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 12:45:10 PM
According to all reports Casey didn't even know JP Chatt when Caylee was conceived.  


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.
exactly....

Lee Anthony would have to take the stand again to testify to what he told Jesse Grund.  Reportedly, Mark Furham was also told about the altercation.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/01/14/caseys-profile-part-6-her-motive/
There has been much talk about an alleged event that was reported early on to have taken place on June 15th, 2008, but has never been confirmed.  That was the day Cindy and Caylee went to Mt. Dora and visited Cindy’s mother and then her father in the nursing home.  Mark Fuhrman was the the first to state Cindy and George told him of a “big fight” on the night of June 15th.  Reference to this fight was made again in Richard Grund’s interview with OCSO when he stated Lee Anthony had told Jesse Grund of the fight.  Jesse would later confirm this in his September 9, 2008 interview with OCSO when he stated Lee had told him of a “heated argument” in which Cindy tried to choke Casey.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 12:45:53 PM
Lillian Glass is saying River Cruz told her George sought someone that looked like Zanny the nanny (her - River Cruz) out to pin the murder on.  Have you guys heard about this?

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/ (http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/)

Here's the excerpt if you don't want to go to the blog

"Why did he have an alleged affair with River Cruz? According to River Cruz, George said that what happened to Caylee was an accident that snowballed.” River reached out to me and shared this information well before there was any talk of accidents. Did he seek out a person who looked like Zanny the Nanny (perfect teeth, curly hair who sometimes wears it straight, pretty, Latina, had a sister) to try and pin the disappearance on River Cruz? River told me that she certainly thought so."

I think Lillian Glass is full of chit. The police tracked river down from GA's phone records. She told the police this 'accident that snowballed' story immediately.  river sought GA out....LG needs to step away and not try to muddy the waters anymore than they are...MO

ITA... ::rhino::

There are so many inaccurate accounts and details out there now.  So many things to muddy the waters for people watching..but not for the jury.

You have to look at this the way the jury does..what they are presented with by the prosecution..and then what the defense is trying to discredit.  Innuendo about the rest of the family is just that ..not fact, not proven, not tested.

George and Lee have nothing to prove or disprove in this case..they are not on trial. 

The defense accusing them in the manner they have is despicable, but the defense can say and does say whatever it wants ..it does not have to present proof.

Had Jose left it at just the accident theory..no inclusion of the family or disparaging of the family..the jury may have believed this story..or at-least had doubt.

But the story from the defense has become to fantastical ...and the State was completely right to ignore this story..and get on with the prosecution of Casey using the facts and evidence they have.  The State does not need to disprove the defense theory..they need to prove their own theory. 

Baez was hoping the State would bite and they did not..they remained on course and true to their initial case.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
We know Cindy, George and Lee turned a blind eye and made excuses for Casey

We suspect Cindy, George and Lee were less than honest about some things to protect Casey

We know that Cindy and George loved Caylee with all there heart and there is ZERO evidence that George ever harmed Caylee or Casey.

We know Casey is a spiteful bitch and is the only one capable of harming Caylee.  Casey may be bipolar or split personality (Casey = Zanny) or may simply be a spoiled monster but in the end, we know she is the guilty party and knew exactly what she was doing.




Summed it up perfectly klaas....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Slogger on June 12, 2011, 12:46:09 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.
exactly....

The neighbor could testify and the Court could accept it as "excited utterance."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 12:46:11 PM
Caylee and Cindy went swimming after I believe.
Maybe that's when the change of cloths.......so it could of been either 15-16.
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:47:05 PM

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....

I thought KC & Lee both told him about it for some reason. I guess when he testifies we will find out. I was thinking Lee told George as he was at work. Maybe I have it mixed up.

I just read Jesse's depo and Lee told him that Cindy told Lee. No one witnessed it but Cindy and KC so that will never come out. I was very mixed up on that one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:47:57 PM
We know Cindy, George and Lee turned a blind eye and made excuses for Casey

We suspect Cindy, George and Lee were less than honest about some things to protect Casey

We know that Cindy and George loved Caylee with all there heart and there is ZERO evidence that George ever harmed Caylee or Casey.

We know Casey is a spiteful bitch and is the only one capable of harming Caylee.  Casey may be bipolar or split personality (Casey = Zanny) or may simply be a spoiled monster but in the end, we know she is the guilty party and knew exactly what she was doing.

Agree........but do they love Caylee enough to tell the truth?  They are still lying...I wonder if they are doing it to save KC or save themselves....IIRC they asked for immunity..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:49:06 PM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.

Nope, it came from Leonard Padilla


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:51:01 PM
Caylee and Cindy went swimming after I believe.
Maybe that's when the change of cloths.......so it could of been either 15-16.
 ::MonkeyBike::

June 15, 2008 (Sun)
05:00pm - 07:00pm
Cindy Anthony:(04/09/09 depo)
After Cindy fed Caylee, the two were swimming in the backyard swimming pool.

June 15, 2008 (Sun)
07:36pm est
Cindy Anthony:(04/09/09 depo)
When Casey came home she wanted to go swimming also but Cindy said sun went down, it was too cold and she was ready to take Caylee out of the swimming pool.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 12:51:41 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 

And now they wouldn't have allowed the gloves to be washed!

 ::MonkeyAngel:: It was 17 years ago today that Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were murdered.   ::MonkeyAngel::

WOW....how time flies....it seems like just a couple years ago... RIP Nicole and Ron

At least I can now rest assured that their murderer sits in a jail cell where he belongs....hope it was worth it OJ....RIP Nicole and Ron


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: crazybabyborg on June 12, 2011, 12:52:07 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


Please forgive the retro post (I'm a few pages behind) but I couldn't let this pass without one of these:

 ::MonkeyCheer4::

I was dying to say just what you did at that point in the discussion, Klaas! Now, the air tests that Dr. Vass did are new as well, but he was a clear and concise witness, and what he testified to is supported by a lot of other evidence in the case (horrible smell in car, chloroform searches on computer that were deleted, blow flies, etc.) That's not to even mention the MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence Casey provided with her actions for 31 days. While I'm on that, let me say that I get so angry when reporters say, "She didn't report her child missing for 31 days." NO! To this day, she has NEVER reported her child missing! Cindy went and found her sorry azz, and CINDY reported Caylee missing with Casey kicking and screaming!

I can't help it; one small comment on OJ..... If I didn't want a pair of dried up leather gloves to fit...... trust me, they wouldn't! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 12:52:22 PM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.

Nope, it came from Leonard Padilla

Well then, that is probably not true at all. I knew I read it but I bet it was on a NG transcript


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 12:54:01 PM
Janet - I'm not giving Cindy, George or Lee a pass, I still believe they all obstructed justice for Caylee but I don't believe Cindy, George or Lee harmed Caylee. 


We are on the same page.

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:54:56 PM
Lillian Glass is saying River Cruz told her George sought someone that looked like Zanny the nanny (her - River Cruz) out to pin the murder on.  Have you guys heard about this?

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/ (http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/)

Here's the excerpt if you don't want to go to the blog

"Why did he have an alleged affair with River Cruz? According to River Cruz, George said that what happened to Caylee was an accident that snowballed.” River reached out to me and shared this information well before there was any talk of accidents. Did he seek out a person who looked like Zanny the Nanny (perfect teeth, curly hair who sometimes wears it straight, pretty, Latina, had a sister) to try and pin the disappearance on River Cruz? River told me that she certainly thought so."

I think Lillian Glass is full of chit. The police tracked river down from GA's phone records. She told the police this 'accident that snowballed' story immediately.  river sought GA out....LG needs to step away and not try to muddy the waters anymore than they are...MO

ITA

It was interesting that a much more respectable body language expert, Tonya Reiman on Judge Jeanine last night went thru reactions from Cindy, George & Casey.  In essence,Tonya said that Cindy's testimony & grief was real & wrenching, George was telling the truth & Casey although shed a few tears carried it on for drama.

ITA! I saw her as well and agree with her interpretations...I felt she was right on with her observations and was impressed that she pointed out even minute actions that backed her opinion.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 12:57:18 PM
Janet - I'm not giving Cindy, George or Lee a pass, I still believe they all obstructed justice for Caylee but I don't believe Cindy, George or Lee harmed Caylee. 


Again, ITA with you Klaas & Ill go further to say that the angst I have for the rest of the Anthonys was their attempt to protect Casey afterwards.   I've contemplated that they were willing to protect her & tamper with evidence because they prayed it was some sort of "accident" versus Casey murdering Caylee but their thank you for this from the "spiteful B" was for her to make horrendous allegations to destroy them in any manner she further could & take them down with her.   To me, Casey's allegations ONLY make her heinous crime of murdering Caylee even more heinous.   It is also my personal belief that Casey's previous computer searches reveal an even more sinister plot, she drugged Caylee so she could go out when otherwise she couldnt & planned to murder her parents...she wanted that house & the only way to get it is if they were dead.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 12:57:40 PM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I have to believe that George and Cindy will be taking the stand again. They are going to have to go thru time lines and discuss the evidence that was entered yesterday, ie duct tape. They are going to end with a bang and with all evidence entered, they can ask anything that ties it all together.

I can't wait to hear the States closing argument.

Morning Red!  Me too.  I hope  Jeff does it.....I love his passion!

Me too Sunny! But I think Linda could handle her just as well..

hi cubbee....I do too, but she doesn't have the passionate way of speaking that Jeff does. IMO  Either will do a good job, I have no doubt.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 12:59:04 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 

And now they wouldn't have allowed the gloves to be washed!

 ::MonkeyAngel:: It was 17 years ago today that Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were murdered.   ::MonkeyAngel::

WOW....how time flies....it seems like just a couple years ago... RIP Nicole and Ron

At least I can now rest assured that their murderer sits in a jail cell where he belongs....hope it was worth it OJ....RIP Nicole and Ron

Wow, doesn't seem that long ago.  Looks like our ages are showing!!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 12:59:38 PM
Lillian Glass is saying River Cruz told her George sought someone that looked like Zanny the nanny (her - River Cruz) out to pin the murder on.  Have you guys heard about this?

http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/ (http://drlillianglass.com/body-language-blog/)

Here's the excerpt if you don't want to go to the blog

"Why did he have an alleged affair with River Cruz? According to River Cruz, George said that what happened to Caylee was an accident that snowballed.” River reached out to me and shared this information well before there was any talk of accidents. Did he seek out a person who looked like Zanny the Nanny (perfect teeth, curly hair who sometimes wears it straight, pretty, Latina, had a sister) to try and pin the disappearance on River Cruz? River told me that she certainly thought so."

I think Lillian Glass is full of chit. The police tracked river down from GA's phone records. She told the police this 'accident that snowballed' story immediately.  river sought GA out....LG needs to step away and not try to muddy the waters anymore than they are...MO

ITA... ::rhino::

There are so many inaccurate accounts and details out there now.  So many things to muddy the waters for people watching..but not for the jury.

You have to look at this the way the jury does..what they are presented with by the prosecution..and then what the defense is trying to discredit.  Innuendo about the rest of the family is just that ..not fact, not proven, not tested.

George and Lee have nothing to prove or disprove in this case..they are not on trial. 

The defense accusing them in the manner they have is despicable, but the defense can say and does say whatever it wants ..it does not have to present proof.

Had Jose left it at just the accident theory..no inclusion of the family or disparaging of the family..the jury may have believed this story..or at-least had doubt.

But the story from the defense has become to fantastical ...and the State was completely right to ignore this story..and get on with the prosecution of Casey using the facts and evidence they have.  The State does not need to disprove the defense theory..they need to prove their own theory. 

Baez was hoping the State would bite and they did not..they remained on course and true to their initial case.

I understand what you mean... but if they continue to commit perjury in sworn statements and under oath, to this day... and they do, this is fact.... they are fair game to be sliced and diced apart.
Why do they continue to do it to themselves? The truth is so easy to remember. It's very ugly, but easy to remember.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
A number of people have slandered George outside of court on various TV shows and he could certainly file a lawsuit for that, but I note he hasn't.

---
George is a public figure now whether he likes it or not. He falls under the category of Michael Jackson.
With all he's got going on right now in life - he'd be better off doing yard work or doing some dirty dishes
than thinking of suing people.

I highly suspected him of being a molester, long before Casey started leaking it or the defense threw him under a bus.

Incestual families have a very loose grasp on proper boundaries. George cutting the cord. eewwwww still makes me do
the icky dance - even to type it. George getting his ears pierced for Casey. I could also tell very early on in this
case he was very confused as to what he was, a father or grandfather. He showed it in his OVER EMPHASIS of the words,
which of course means it is highly sensitive to him and that he get it right.

I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

You ain't fooled me, grandpa. I gots my eyeball on you twinkle toes. ::MonkeyEek::

I believe an overwhelming majority of George's problems have started at his zipper and then radiated outward.

Little JoJo said to Big JoJo "Hey, we should have some funny times." It's what happens when you don't go to
work all day and sit around watching Caylee's Veggie Tales DVD's ... BY YOURSELF.

Again: I did what most do for a long time. Shrug it off and just say "hey he's kinda weird."

There is a very good reason as to why he's "weird"

Definitely DO NOT agree.  I also do not think for a second even that if Cindy even had an inkling that he was molesting the Queen hoebag they would be together any longer, nor would Cindy allow George by Caylee, ever.  He is a very weird man, I will give you that, but the whole family is weird.  I hope afterwards he sues everybody or urges them to PROVE IT.  KC is a lier. 

I'm an incest survivor and not all families are like that.  Mine wasn't. 

I personally do not get the "molester" vibe from George.  I've said before that I think something happened with Lee though.  All of the women in my support group agree about George.  We just don't see it.  My best friend's father was in the delivery room when she had her soon and trust there is not a perverted bone in that man's body.  He & his kids are just very very close.  Me?  I don't agree with it but hey to each his own.

Even if one is a "Public figure," one may sue if libeled or slandered out of malice.  IMO George has indeed been slandered out of malice. I don't agree that George is a public figure, but perhaps a "Limited public figure."

As to whether or not one can "spot" a molester as a result of their own molestation, again I wish to disagree.  While I certainly sympathize with those who have been victimized by  this heinous crime, it does not make them an expert on the subject.  It makes them an expert only on their own experience.  It does not give them the ability to spot a molester a mile away.  When one trusts their "vibes" as a result of some past experience they have themselves had, and uses that feeling to accuse others, I feel it is very unfair.  There is no such ability.  I have seen no evidence whatsoever that George Anthony molested his daughter.  The mere fact that she, a proven liar, says so tends to make me lean the other way.

Being molested as a young child is I am sure one of the most terrifying experiences a child can go through, but it does not give them special psychic abilities.  Also, I hope they can live happy lives despite this experience and they don't let it define their entire lives.

I'm not psychic nor do I profess to be.  I am going to disagree with you.  I've worked with incest survivors for 25 years and seen many many therapists.  I've been involved with studies on behaviors of sexual predators.  If someone has been bitten by a dog, they're more "aware" of what types of behaviors to look for when around strange dogs, when someone has been mugged they're more "aware" of a person's behavior and could possible save themselves from another, when someone has lived with a pathological liar (casey) and finally realized what was going on - they themselves could probably have an "idea" if they run into someone whose story just "quite wasn't right", If someone was an alcoholic for many years they could probably spot another alcoholic by things he/she does when someone who has not been exposed to alcoholism could not.  So, we'll just agree to disagree on this one ;)  I would never accuse someone in my real life of molesting children & call the police etc..  I will however hold my 2 1/2 year old daughter a little closer if I'm getting that "vibe" from someone.  And by the way the last "vibe" I got was from a man that walked around our neighborhood with his wife.  He lived on the street behind me.  I told my husband I had a feeling about him.  What happened?  He was arrested last year for molesting little girls that came to "swim" at his house.  So.  I like to ere on the side of caution.  I didn't call the police because I saw nothing to report.  I didn't stalk the man because I had no basis for my opinion.  I did however tell my neighbor about my suspicions when she was going to let her daughter go to his house to swim.  (They went to the same church).  I don't get that vibe from George at all.  I could be wrong.  I do however believe that something has happened between Lee & Casey.  May be kids experimenting, may be puppy love with his sister who knows.  May be nothing.

That's what I love about this forum.  We're able to express our opinions.  Mine? George didn't molest Casey.  Why?  Like many of you have your gut feelings about other things in this case -  I have a gut feeling about it.  My gut feeling is my "vibe".

My "vibe is partially based on the fact that my father and uncle molesting me from the time I was 3 until I was 13.  My father was a business man, deacon in our church & involved in politics.  He didn't look like the "boogeyman" even though he was.  For the record someone's looks doesn't effect my judgment at all.  It's just something about their demeanor, how they carry themselves and how they interact with others.  Not psychic - just seen the boogeyman & know what he's like!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 01:01:01 PM
Sunny.... I totally agree with you concerning Jeff and Linda... I am confident that they will make the best decision...they have been amazing thus far....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 01:01:53 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance


I don't see any resemblance at all. Maybe I am missing something.

if you are missing it, so am I..I see no resemblence. ::rhino::  I have never been passionate about knowing who Caylee's biodad is....I have always felt there was a very good chance the guy had no idea. and I really don't think KC knew for sure.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 01:01:56 PM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Jesse Grund was also told there was a terrible fight between KC and Cindy. KC called him or texted him and told him all about it. He has not testified yet, so he may be asked about that.

Afternoon all..
I also wonder if Jesses text will come in showing this fight happened the 15th. If so I hope they make they jury see the lies from the 15th. Will they ask Cindy, if she lies she can get in trouble for lying on stand.
Why didn't LE get Cindy and George for obstruction? I wondered this long time ago... sympathy?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 01:03:37 PM
Some people we have not seen yet are :
Jesse Grund
Pastor Grund
Joe Jordan (dont know if he will be used but he is another one who searched all the time for Caylee)
Roy Kronk (I would say only the defense will call him)
Tim Miller
Lenard P. (although most of his would be hearsay)
Rob Dick- (same)
Tracy - (who stayed with KC while out on bond)
Dominic Casey - (I REALLY want to hear how he knew where to look for the body under oath)
The info on the syringes and the chloroform found at the scene.

Also remember when Bozo said that the chloroform in the syringe and the gatorade bottle was "insignificant" because chloroform is found in tap water. Wonder if he is still going to stick with that story? LOL

I have to believe that George and Cindy will be taking the stand again. They are going to have to go thru time lines and discuss the evidence that was entered yesterday, ie duct tape. They are going to end with a bang and with all evidence entered, they can ask anything that ties it all together.

I can't wait to hear the States closing argument.

Morning Red!  Me too.  I hope  Jeff does it.....I love his passion!

I think some of those witnesses will not be called..ie LP..no need for him now..

I also heard the State may not call Roy Kronk..because it has already been established through the calls he made that he found the body.  That was, as far as the State's concern his only involvement, therefore there is no need to call him..and open up the defense can of worms story about him.

Although many of these people are witnesses that lead the State to conclusions and in some cases evidence..they may not be needed anylonger once the evidence has been admitted to court through the chain of custody..

I do think the A's will be back on the stand, Dom Casey possibly.

I think that Jesse and his Dad may come in as witnesses for Caylee and her little precious character..almost like a grief impact statement.

Interesting to see who else the State calls. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 01:04:03 PM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Jesse Grund was also told there was a terrible fight between KC and Cindy. KC called him or texted him and told him all about it. He has not testified yet, so he may be asked about that.

Afternoon all..
I also wonder if Jesses text will come in showing this fight happened the 15th. If so I hope they make they jury see the lies from the 15th. Will they ask Cindy, if she lies she can get in trouble for lying on stand.
Why didn't LE get Cindy and George for obstruction? I wondered this long time ago... sympathy?


or did they realize that someday they would "see the light" and would need them!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: wreck on June 12, 2011, 01:05:50 PM
According to all reports Casey didn't even know JP Chatt when Caylee was conceived.  
Since when did casey have to KNOW the guy she slept with??!!??  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 01:07:05 PM

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....

I thought KC & Lee both told him about it for some reason. I guess when he testifies we will find out. I was thinking Lee told George as he was at work. Maybe I have it mixed up.

I just read Jesse's depo and Lee told him that Cindy told Lee. No one witnessed it but Cindy and KC so that will never come out. I was very mixed up on that one.

IF KC told Lee that he can testify to it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 01:08:03 PM
Why did Geoge Anthony's story change between his June 29, 2008 interview with LE and his May 27, 2011 testimony at the trial in regards to times as well as what he observed or did not observed inside of Casey trunk.

Janet
***************************************
i think maybe he was in the coverup mode back then as both he and cindy were and he said he looked in there because he was lying then and now he isnt, i dont think he did look in the trunk but wishes he had
::rhino::  I wonder what he would have done if he looked in that trunk & found Caylee's little body!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 01:08:26 PM
Another possibility, is that the prosecution does still have a plan to skewer Cindy and George with the truth.  They already have the most damning testimony they need from both of them.  And they've made a pretty good case for capital murder.  It would not be surprising for them to call up Jesse and Lee and ask about the fight on June 15th.   OTOH, if George, Cindy and Lee all have immunity, maybe there has been an agreement as to what they will testify to, and that's it.  IMHO it would be icing on the cake to hear about the fight and put the squeeze on George and Cindy, but, not necessary for a conviction.  Also, George and Cindy's actions notwithstanding, they have been thru a lot.  Maybe LE and the prosecution team feel sorry for them.....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: loca on June 12, 2011, 01:08:37 PM
How is it possible that the state will wrap this case up in one week? Also since I have never covered a case beofre please? once the state rests their case! will the defense start theirs?
I am not sure how it works.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 01:09:15 PM
carpe,The Anthony's can't handle the truth!!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 12, 2011, 01:10:01 PM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
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George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable. 

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.

Good morning, all! Can, Ive been thinking along those same lines myself.  George's specificity months later, in describing Caylee's outfit that day, bothered me. Casey could have easily swept by him in a rush or called "Gotta leave for work. Caylee's still sleeping." on her way to the garage with a "sleeping" Caylee.  The thing that may help nail Casey though is that both George and Casey agreed, saying Caylee was wearing a pink shirt when they last saw her...and she was found with the remains of a pink shirt. Casey's propensity for detailed lying is going to bite her here.  BTW (by the way), no one is going to buy that Casey was looking for the nanny because every mother would call 911 immediately and then park herself outside of the nanny's hose/apt. complex day after day and evening after evening...every mother, except Casey, that is. Didn't you know you can search for missing children from the stage, while you're shakin' your booty in a Hot Body contest? The crowd can see you better you can see over the crowd much better when you're gyrating into the girl beside you.  :smt078 :smt104

Personally, I doubt she was even home the night of June 15th.  We've seen her on video in a rage and no one was threatening to kick her out and take her most effective weapon. I believe the fight scenario because the neighbors had no need to lie-it wasn't like they were seeking a media interview and they haven't even been publicly identified. After a fight of that magnitude and finality, there's no way Casey would stay in that house with Cindy, IMO.  Two volatile tempers, too volatile of a situation.  Casey's good at throwing tantrums and jerking Cindy around, but she's not used to Cindy being physically hands-on confrontational and in her face. I think Cindy really caught her by surprise. IMO, that's when Casey decided to kill Caylee first. If (big "if"), they both went to neutral corners and Casey spent the night there, I'd be surprised if Caylee made it through the night.  I think Cindy did withhold info on the fight because something precipitated Casey killing Caylee on a Monday.  Statistically speaking, most murders and domestic violence events happen Friday- Sunday evening. Casey wasn't home much that weekend. Logically, something occurred toward the close of the weekend, something big. A Sunday evening spent snuggled up on the bed watching sentimental family videos, followed by murdering a family member on Monday, doesn't make sense. I can see Casey leaving with or without Caylee, driving down the road and parking/going to the abandoned house for the night, and maybe sneaking back in early morning.  I'd be surprised if Caylee lived to see morning.  By the same token though, as manipulative and spiteful as Casey is, I can see her waking Caylee, getting her breakfast, dressing her in the Big Trouble t-shirt...gleeful at her plan for the day. I see here https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0  (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0), that Tony called Casey at 11:47 a.m. and again at 1:00 p.m..  Making plans for the day or checking up on her after the fight.  From her phone records, we know that she basically talking with Tony late night June 15th into early morning June 16th.  Assuming Tony has classes, she doesn't talk to him again until she's driving at 4:19 p.m..  I wonder how her daily cell phone records compare to this day.  Is she normally in the habit of making calls all day long?  How can she do that from work?  LOL  How can she do that watching a toddler?  ::MonkeyShocked:: IF so, where was Caylee?  All of the mothers we know can rarely manage one uninterrupted phone conversation a day, much less 25 and a few text messages. Someone should have heard Caylee in the background or interrupting her mother in more than one of those calls.  ::MonkeyMad::  Just sayin'  I wonder if her friends were questioned about that- How often would you say you heard Caylee in the background or interrupting when you talked to Casey?  Did Casey ever put Caylee on the phone during your conversations?  I regularly hear my nephews or friends' children in the background on the phone.  Often the parent has to referee or give instruction/correction. Many times a smaller child has begged to talk to me and I've gladly obliged.  So, where was Caylee during all those calls?

All of the above JMO.  BBL           


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 01:10:10 PM
According to all reports Casey didn't even know JP Chatt when Caylee was conceived.  
Since when did casey have to KNOW the guy she slept with??!!??  ::MonkeyCool::


Truer words have never been spoken...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 01:11:10 PM
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings

June 15, 2008 there is a break in phone activity (none) for Casey from 9:26:59 pm - 10:05:55. 38 minutes that Casey was not on her phone.  Was this the time period that she and Cindy uploaded Caylee's video from her visit to the nursing home, or was this when the fight occurred?  Does anyone know if there is proof of the time the video was uploaded to the computer?   

I'm still looking to see if Casey did leave the house that night.  LP was the one that said he talked with a man who saw Casey at a motel that night.  Of course, there is nothing to back up his statement and nobody ever came forth to verify his statement.   Surprise, surprise!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 01:12:47 PM

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....

I thought KC & Lee both told him about it for some reason. I guess when he testifies we will find out. I was thinking Lee told George as he was at work. Maybe I have it mixed up.

I just read Jesse's depo and Lee told him that Cindy told Lee. No one witnessed it but Cindy and KC so that will never come out. I was very mixed up on that one.

IF KC told Lee that he can testify to it.
I also thought A neighbor heard/saw them arguing outside?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: seemeatthebeach on June 12, 2011, 01:13:36 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/989180517001

Body Language of Casey Anthony's Family (Tonya Reiman)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 01:15:05 PM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable. 

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.










 






hmmmm interesting! 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Sunny.... I totally agree with you concerning Jeff and Linda... I am confident that they will make the best decision...they have been amazing thus far....
::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 01:19:06 PM

turbo, I thought LEE told Jesse about the 'fight' and KC told Lee....

I thought KC & Lee both told him about it for some reason. I guess when he testifies we will find out. I was thinking Lee told George as he was at work. Maybe I have it mixed up.

I just read Jesse's depo and Lee told him that Cindy told Lee. No one witnessed it but Cindy and KC so that will never come out. I was very mixed up on that one.

IF KC told Lee that he can testify to it.
I also thought A neighbor heard/saw them arguing outside?

A neighbor did reportedly hear fighting from the house but I cant recall if it was specifically the night of the 15th, and it was also said that there were other occasions arguing could be heard even Casey in front of the house arguing with her mother during one BUT the neighbor may not know the entire contents of the argument.   Lee on the other hand, if KC told him specifically what the argument was about would be able to testify as to what the defendant told him directly (exception to hearsay).   At that point Jesse could testify as to what Lee told him.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 01:19:31 PM


ITA... ::rhino::

There are so many inaccurate accounts and details out there now.  So many things to muddy the waters for people watching..but not for the jury.

You have to look at this the way the jury does..what they are presented with by the prosecution..and then what the defense is trying to discredit.  Innuendo about the rest of the family is just that ..not fact, not proven, not tested.

George and Lee have nothing to prove or disprove in this case..they are not on trial. 

The defense accusing them in the manner they have is despicable, but the defense can say and does say whatever it wants ..it does not have to present proof.

Had Jose left it at just the accident theory..no inclusion of the family or disparaging of the family..the jury may have believed this story..or at-least had doubt.

But the story from the defense has become to fantastical ...and the State was completely right to ignore this story..and get on with the prosecution of Casey using the facts and evidence they have.  The State does not need to disprove the defense theory..they need to prove their own theory. 

Baez was hoping the State would bite and they did not..they remained on course and true to their initial case.

GDD, my husband and I were talking about this at dinner last night. My DH brought up a good point.....they had to have some outrageous story because she sat in jail for almost 3 years...had it been an accident they could have gone to the State L O N G ago....she sat in jail for 3 years because they had no defense...until they came up with this ridiculous story....they are as crazy as KC...not only was it an accident, but GA is now a sexual abuser and Roy Kronk was in possession of Caylee's remains from August to December....HOW?  because he knew he found her in August (forget that he reported it...that doesn't fit in the story) and didn't retrieve her until Dec...and how did Caylee's little body wind up in the trash bags and laundry bag with duct tape over her mouth...well Daddy-O told KC he would take care of everything after he found her drowned in the pool and not calling 911 or trying CPR.....are these people as fricking stupid as they appear to be????


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 01:28:24 PM
Rather than kill Caylee to spite Cindy, perhaps this was Casey's way of literally cutting the cord with Cindy so she could live her life unincumbered, by a child and family. 

She found a lifestyle that she loved- thinking she was a big shot at Fusion, with people looking up to her as the girlfriend of Tony, figuring herself to be the "Shot Girl" manager.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 01:28:25 PM

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.

You could be right TURBOTHINK.

George's inconsistencies when comparing his statements in interviews with LE and testimony on the stand imply that his word cannot be trusted.

Then there is Cindy.  Lee Anthony shared with Tony that there had been a terrible fight between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.  However ... Cindy testified under oath that it was a special evening ... a time of bonding.

Cindy and George are on a mission and ... the mission is not justice for Caylee.

IMO

Janet


Jesse Grund was also told there was a terrible fight between KC and Cindy. KC called him or texted him and told him all about it. He has not testified yet, so he may be asked about that.

Afternoon all..
I also wonder if Jesses text will come in showing this fight happened the 15th. If so I hope they make they jury see the lies from the 15th. Will they ask Cindy, if she lies she can get in trouble for lying on stand.
Why didn't LE get Cindy and George for obstruction? I wondered this long time ago... sympathy?


she has already lied about.....last week on the stand when she said the 3 of them had a wonderful evening at home...wonderful might not be the word she used...but you get the idea....she didn't mention the fight or the reason for the fight.....SHE LIED AGAIN


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Slogger on June 12, 2011, 01:28:51 PM

Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

I am thinking they matched the frame and the matting on the picture at the remains scene.

Exactly what I was thinking!  Further, if they can show the frames and photos in Casey's room before and not after . . . it clearly connects Casey with the scene.  No one else would toss out those photos.  MO, Cindy to the rescue, replacing the photos in Casey's room.

Spot on!     ::MonkeyKiss::

I only have a vague memory of what might have been frames at the Suburban site.  It's been too long ago to count on a vague memory.  Are there any photos of the frames at the Suburban scene?

George, Cindy, and Lee display honest emotion (mo) when talking about Caylee.  Casey has displayed some resentment--particularly in her "what about me" rantings.  MO, Casey really thought Caylee was "Big Trouble."


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 01:36:41 PM
carpe,The Anthony's can't handle the truth!!!!!!

Oh, they can handle the truth - they just have many ulterior motives for it not coming out. Money for one.............


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Cappuccino on June 12, 2011, 01:37:55 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/989180517001

Body Language of Casey Anthony's Family (Tonya Reiman)

Thank you Seeme, this is precisely the segment of Judge Jeanine Sunny & I were referring to.   IMHO, she is spot on & that isnt just an observers opinion but also a work experience one.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 01:41:10 PM

 Her gig was up with all the lies about work and her next plan had not kicked in like she had envisioned, so she was caught between a rock and a hard spot with not only her parents but Tony. Poor little Caylee got the brunt of her rage.



Who was that guy, I want to say Mark something or another.

He b/s'ed the wife about school, and they were going to move and he shot her- bought a new mattress.  They searched the dump looking for her.  I think she worked in a bank.

It was Mark Hacking.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 01:42:08 PM

 Her gig was up with all the lies about work and her next plan had not kicked in like she had envisioned, so she was caught between a rock and a hard spot with not only her parents but Tony. Poor little Caylee got the brunt of her rage.



Who was that guy, I want to say Mark something or another.

He b/s'ed the wife about school, and they were going to move and he shot her- bought a new mattress.  They searched the dump looking for her.  I think she worked in a bank.

It was Mark Hacking.
6 years to life he received.  Some justice.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 12, 2011, 01:43:56 PM
**SNIPPED**
Even if one is a "Public figure," one may sue if libeled or slandered out of malice.  IMO George has indeed been slandered out of malice. I don't agree that George is a public figure, but perhaps a "Limited public figure."

As to whether or not one can "spot" a molester as a result of their own molestation, again I wish to disagree.  While I certainly sympathize with those who have been victimized by  this heinous crime, it does not make them an expert on the subject.  It makes them an expert only on their own experience.  It does not give them the ability to spot a molester a mile away.  When one trusts their "vibes" as a result of some past experience they have themselves had, and uses that feeling to accuse others, I feel it is very unfair.  There is no such ability.  I have seen no evidence whatsoever that George Anthony molested his daughter.  The mere fact that she, a proven liar, says so tends to make me lean the other way.

Being molested as a young child is I am sure one of the most terrifying experiences a child can go through, but it does not give them special psychic abilities.  Also, I hope they can live happy lives despite this experience and they don't let it define their entire lives.
Respectfully, I disagree.  Having known an inordinate amount of victims, they tend to be very perceptive. IMO, because of their experiences, they unconsciously pick up body language/voice inflection/same or similar verbal phrasing/etc. that are familiar because they are reminiscent of their own abuser.  In my experience with victims, this has been a common occurrence and they are usually correct.  Speculating here, scientifically  speaking, the trauma causes an acute awareness of the situation and the abuser and the resulting chemical changes imprint the memory with body language/voice inflection/particular verbal cues or words, along with a strong sense of danger (fight or flight). Just my two cents.

Need to run!  Have a good Sunday everyone and take care!




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Janet - I'm not giving Cindy, George or Lee a pass, I still believe they all obstructed justice for Caylee but I don't believe Cindy, George or Lee harmed Caylee. 


We are on the same page.

Janet
  As far as giving Cindy and George a pass-I will give them a pass-they have a truly evil daughter--they loved Caylee-and their life is over-they will never have another peaceful day-everyday of their life their hearts will break (just thinking of Caylee)-so i iwll give them a pass-now kc if she gets off ---she will never give Caylee another thought what she did to her mother and father-who tried to protect her-and put themselves in harm way by all their lies to the police--she is evil and rotten to the core--George and Cindy were wrong I agree-but they have paid  the worst price any parent or grand parent could pay-But having said that if they lie now to get her off-the should be prosecuted


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 01:48:52 PM
Janet - I'm not giving Cindy, George or Lee a pass, I still believe they all obstructed justice for Caylee but I don't believe Cindy, George or Lee harmed Caylee. 


Again, ITA with you Klaas & Ill go further to say that the angst I have for the rest of the Anthonys was their attempt to protect Casey afterwards.   I've contemplated that they were willing to protect her & tamper with evidence because they prayed it was some sort of "accident" versus Casey murdering Caylee but their thank you for this from the "spiteful B" was for her to make horrendous allegations to destroy them in any manner she further could & take them down with her.   To me, Casey's allegations ONLY make her heinous crime of murdering Caylee even more heinous.   It is also my personal belief that Casey's previous computer searches reveal an even more sinister plot, she drugged Caylee so she could go out when otherwise she couldnt & planned to murder her parents...she wanted that house & the only way to get it is if they were dead.
   I agree great post


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 01:53:51 PM
Rather than kill Caylee to spite Cindy, perhaps this was Casey's way of literally cutting the cord with Cindy so she could live her life unincumbered, by a child and family. 

She found a lifestyle that she loved- thinking she was a big shot at Fusion, with people looking up to her as the girlfriend of Tony, figuring herself to be the "Shot Girl" manager.
  She coould have giving Caylee to Cindy and George -got a job-got an apartment-Oh to much work for her--easier to kill her parents and her daughter-  question  do u think she was born evil-or became that way becuase she  got away with everytthing-just curious--I think she was born evil


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 01:54:14 PM
SunnyinTX
 ::snipping2::
GDD, my husband and I were talking about this at dinner last night. My DH brought up a good point.....they had to have some outrageous story because she sat in jail for almost 3 years...had it been an accident they could have gone to the State L O N G ago....she sat in jail for 3 years because they had no defense...until they came up with this ridiculous story....they are as crazy as KC...not only was it an accident, but GA is now a sexual abuser and Roy Kronk was in possession of Caylee's remains from August to December....HOW?  because he knew he found her in August (forget that he reported it...that doesn't fit in the story) and didn't retrieve her until Dec...and how did Caylee's little body wind up in the trash bags and laundry bag with duct tape over her mouth...well Daddy-O told KC he would take care of everything after he found her drowned in the pool and not calling 911 or trying CPR.....are these people as fricking stupid as they appear to be????

Well said....Amen!

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 02:02:55 PM
**SNIPPED**
Even if one is a "Public figure," one may sue if libeled or slandered out of malice.  IMO George has indeed been slandered out of malice. I don't agree that George is a public figure, but perhaps a "Limited public figure."

----
George put his man satchel out on the public barbecue grill to be the next John Walsh. (You Tube has more information)

Doo-dads burn hot on the grill and you frequently need a spritzer bottle to put out flare-ups!

George's house of cards has been imploding ever since.... because he built that house on a bog of quick sand of lies.

BOO FRICKETY HOO   This is what happens. It's to be expected.

I don't think he'll ever sue. If he does. He is an even bigger idiot than I ever imagined.

It would be like saying my toe hurts and immediately hitting it with a hammer.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 02:03:09 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-geraldo-rivera-shows-caylees-skull-photo.html
Casey Anthony: Geraldo Rivera shows Caylee’s skull photo
Caylee and Casey Anthony, Fox News Channel — posted by halboedeker on June, 12 2011 11:46 AM


Nobody does it like Geraldo Rivera, and we can be grateful there is only one of him.   ::rhino::

Consider that graphic animation of Caylee Anthony’s face turning into a skull. Before the state showed the animation Friday, Chief Judge Belvin Perry reminded everyone that the media were aware of restrictions on showing the images by Dr. Michael Warren, a prosecution witness.

The two media pools — the Orlando Sentinel and “In Session” — understood they were to pixelate and blur the images, Perry said. And the judge noted there was ”an absolute prohibition” on the public as well.

But Rivera showed the Caylee skull image on his Fox News Channel show, “Geraldo at Large,” last night. And the animation didn’t look pixelated or blurred.
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: can on June 12, 2011, 02:04:23 PM
We know that Cindy has vigorously defended her daughter.  George has as well.  To a lesser extent.  Probably because if you don't follow Cindy's lead, there would be no living with her.  But, I think from some of George's statements, there has been some ambivalence.  I would love to know what he said in the Grand Jury testimony, but that's beside the point.

I believe the Anthony's have covered up for ICA.

With that in mind, I would like to put something forward that I have been chewing on for a long time and have not had the courage to mention. It concerns George's statement recalling when he last saw Caylee for the last time leaving the house with ICA on June l6th.

Could it be possible he was also covering up for ICA on June l6th?
He said he gave them both the usual hug and kiss.  I believe Caylee said something to him.  In other words, he saw a live Caylee leave the house, in ICA'S arms.

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Is it possible that Caylee had already died when ICA carried her out of the house that morning and that it was a rushed exit with ICA telling George she was sleepy, or sleeping?
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George embellishes his words, well, all the A's do.  Seemingly they think this makes their words more believable. 

I'm not saying in this scenario that George would have known Caylee died.  Only that he has been cuckolded by ICA once again.  Or, perhaps he didn't see them leave at all that morning.  But, he made the statement, and he is stuck with it.

Both Cindy and George were eager to show that ICA left the house with an alive Caylee on June l6th and at the time they were trying to demonstrate I think, that Caylee was alive on June l6th and left their home which allowed for the Nanny tale that Casey was spewing at the time.

Good morning, all! Can, Ive been thinking along those same lines myself.  George's specificity months later, in describing Caylee's outfit that day, bothered me. Casey could have easily swept by him in a rush or called "Gotta leave for work. Caylee's still sleeping." on her way to the garage with a "sleeping" Caylee.  The thing that may help nail Casey though is that both George and Casey agreed, saying Caylee was wearing a pink shirt when they last saw her...and she was found with the remains of a pink shirt. Casey's propensity for detailed lying is going to bite her here.  BTW (by the way), no one is going to buy that Casey was looking for the nanny because every mother would call 911 immediately and then park herself outside of the nanny's hose/apt. complex day after day and evening after evening...every mother, except Casey, that is. Didn't you know you can search for missing children from the stage, while you're shakin' your booty in a Hot Body contest? The crowd can see you better you can see over the crowd much better when you're gyrating into the girl beside you.  :smt078 :smt104

Personally, I doubt she was even home the night of June 15th.  We've seen her on video in a rage and no one was threatening to kick her out and take her most effective weapon. I believe the fight scenario because the neighbors had no need to lie-it wasn't like they were seeking a media interview and they haven't even been publicly identified. After a fight of that magnitude and finality, there's no way Casey would stay in that house with Cindy, IMO.  Two volatile tempers, too volatile of a situation.  Casey's good at throwing tantrums and jerking Cindy around, but she's not used to Cindy being physically hands-on confrontational and in her face. I think Cindy really caught her by surprise. IMO, that's when Casey decided to kill Caylee first. If (big "if"), they both went to neutral corners and Casey spent the night there, I'd be surprised if Caylee made it through the night.  I think Cindy did withhold info on the fight because something precipitated Casey killing Caylee on a Monday.  Statistically speaking, most murders and domestic violence events happen Friday- Sunday evening. Casey wasn't home much that weekend. Logically, something occurred toward the close of the weekend, something big. A Sunday evening spent snuggled up on the bed watching sentimental family videos, followed by murdering a family member on Monday, doesn't make sense. I can see Casey leaving with or without Caylee, driving down the road and parking/going to the abandoned house for the night, and maybe sneaking back in early morning.  I'd be surprised if Caylee lived to see morning.  By the same token though, as manipulative and spiteful as Casey is, I can see her waking Caylee, getting her breakfast, dressing her in the Big Trouble t-shirt...gleeful at her plan for the day. I see here https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0  (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=0), that Tony called Casey at 11:47 a.m. and again at 1:00 p.m..  Making plans for the day or checking up on her after the fight.  From her phone records, we know that she basically talking with Tony late night June 15th into early morning June 16th.  Assuming Tony has classes, she doesn't talk to him again until she's driving at 4:19 p.m..  I wonder how her daily cell phone records compare to this day.  Is she normally in the habit of making calls all day long?  How can she do that from work?  LOL  How can she do that watching a toddler?  ::MonkeyShocked:: IF so, where was Caylee?  All of the mothers we know can rarely manage one uninterrupted phone conversation a day, much less 25 and a few text messages. Someone should have heard Caylee in the background or interrupting her mother in more than one of those calls.  ::MonkeyMad::  Just sayin'  I wonder if her friends were questioned about that- How often would you say you heard Caylee in the background or interrupting when you talked to Casey?  Did Casey ever put Caylee on the phone during your conversations?  I regularly hear my nephews or friends' children in the background on the phone.  Often the parent has to referee or give instruction/correction. Many times a smaller child has begged to talk to me and I've gladly obliged.  So, where was Caylee during all those calls?

All of the above JMO.  BBL           

ISpy. Your thinking along the same lines, (ICA rushing past Geo. with "sleeping" Caylee) allows me to think I haven't moved too far into fantasy land. ty.

My Grandkids can always be heard in the background when I speak with my daughter on the phone (unless they are in their beds asleep) and often
want to speak with me, which of course, I welcome. 
It would be interesting if same happened with Caylee>  I would think so, though perhaps not so much with ICA'S friends since they were not long time friends.  But, perhaps with GreatGrandma Plesea. 

We only know how ICA presented as a Mother in the presence of others, according to court testimony from young adults.  We will never know how she was when she and Caylee were alone.  Given that Caylee is gone, I shudder to think about it.

I think Cindy's story about snuggling and watching video or some such that night is bogus.  I think when she took video at the nursing home, her intention was to have it recorded in time for tender viewing moments later.  Perhaps someday to show Caylee with her Great Grandpa. 

I must look at the witness list to see if there is anyone on the States list that could be a neighbor that might have heard the fight between C & ICA that night.  It's my recollection that Burner the shovel guy, did not hear it, ICBW but of course that doesn't mean another didn't.

   


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 02:06:33 PM
http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=14889205
Dozens jockey for coveted Anthony trial seats
Posted: Jun 12, 2011 9:25 AM CDT Updated: Jun 12, 2011 12:55 PM CDT
National News More>>
By MIKE SCHNEIDER
Associated Press


ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - Spectators trying to get one of the 60 courtroom seats available to the public in the Casey Anthony trial have created scenes reminiscent of the running of the bulls in Spain or a Walmart on the Friday after Thanksgiving.

Those who have arrived as early as 1 a.m. to wait for a seat in the trial of the Florida mother charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter Caylee have been jostled, elbowed and pushed aside by fellow spectators while running from the sidewalk to the Orange County Courthouse entrance before dawn. They aren't allowed to camp out on courthouse property, so they hang out on the sidewalk in front of the 23-story building until they are allowed to line up at the entrance at 5:30 a.m.
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 02:08:10 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=10200.0

Was going over timeline here .. link above.
I guess I missed somewhere down the line or forgot..
Casey made a MySpace for zenaida on June 16 afternoon. This makes me think she killed her the 15th.
Drove her around while going to stay with tony, Caylee was in trunk. She threw her out a few days after.
The fluids in car built up to the smell casey txts Amy the 26 to complain about smell.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 02:09:04 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-06-11-casey-anthony-trial_n.htm
Investigator: Caylee's remains found near road Updated 3m ago
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Caylee Anthony's skull and most of the rest of her remains were 19 feet from the road when they were found, a crime scene investigator testified Saturday.
Stretching a tape measure across the courtroom, defense attorney Jose Baez demonstrated the remains were virtually steps from the road, nearly the same distance as the jury from the defense table. The testimony that the scene was easily accessible from the road could be significant because defense attorneys claim the meter reader who found the remains tampered with them.

The defense has said that the 2-year-old girl accidentally drowned in her grandparents' swimming pool.
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 02:10:14 PM
Rather than kill Caylee to spite Cindy, perhaps this was Casey's way of literally cutting the cord with Cindy so she could live her life unincumbered, by a child and family. 

She found a lifestyle that she loved- thinking she was a big shot at Fusion, with people looking up to her as the girlfriend of Tony, figuring herself to be the "Shot Girl" manager.
  She coould have giving Caylee to Cindy and George -got a job-got an apartment-Oh to much work for her--easier to kill her parents and her daughter-  question  do u think she was born evil-or became that way becuase she  got away with everytthing-just curious--I think she was born evil
I don't think anyone is born evil IMO. I think over time people change grow into evil and make choices.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 02:10:14 PM
We know Cindy, George and Lee turned a blind eye and made excuses for Casey

We suspect Cindy, George and Lee were less than honest about some things to protect Casey

We know that Cindy and George loved Caylee with all there heart and there is ZERO evidence that George ever harmed Caylee or Casey.

We know Casey is a spiteful bitch and is the only one capable of harming Caylee.  Casey may be bipolar or split personality (Casey = Zanny) or may simply be a spoiled monster but in the end, we know she is the guilty party and knew exactly what she was doing.




ITA KLAAS!

The investigation would not have gone any more quickly despite what the A's did or did not do.  LE knew the A's were not being completely truthful fairly early in the investigation..by early to mid August.  But I don't believe that hindered the early days of the investigation because no one knew what happened to Caylee nor where she was..only Casey knew that..and there was never any confession to the family of that info.

They did not know for certain what Casey had done with Caylee..I imagine at the beginning the family felt she had either sold her or left her with someone to spite Cindy..remember the.. I am just a spiteful bitch.. comment to Lee.

The only time they may have had any info LE did not have was when Dom Casey was poking in the woods on Suburban Dr.

I always thought that info was garnered from Jose..or maybe they had access to the tips that were called in and came across Kronk's tip.   But that info Dom had may not have been shared with the rest of the family at that point..although I always felt that Lee was on the other end of that phone call with Dom.

The rest of the time they were, in my opinion, in denial and cover-up for Casey..they did not want to believe that she had done something like murder Caylee..and most grandparents would hold out hope, no matter what, that their grandchild was still alive.

The case could have only been solved earlier then it was by one person..and that person still has not spoken the truth to this day..that is CASEY.

Another  point is the fact that had the State arrested the grandparents that would not have accomplished anything other then a distraction from the real culprit..Casey.  And infact, I believe it would have garnered some sympathy from the general public for the grieving grands.

All in all..I am the person who said when I heard George and Cindy had tried to copyright Caylee's name and the Justice for Caylee that they had turned a corner and were in the State's playbook now.   We did not know why then..this was 2 weeks before Baez opening statement..but for whatever reason they are doing what needs to be done now..and that is all I am concerned with..justice for Caylee and Casey's conviction.

To continue to berate the family is exactly what the defense wants.  I said that many times before too.  And that has come to fruition....everytime someone berates George or Cindy or Lee it is a small reprieve for Casey..and damned if the defense isn't using it that way.

I saw this coming when Finnell came on board and announced in court she couldn't give away her evidence because someone was going to be arrested.  She was wrong then and she would be wrong now..Casey is a liar..and no one believes anything she has had to say yet in this past 3 years..why would anyone start believing her now when she still has not told the truth about what happened to Caylee and how her body got in her trunk, how she abandoned the car and how Caylee landed in the woods on Suburban Dr? 


George and Cindy are not my favorite people..but I will not try to hang them when the person that needs to be hung is sitting in the courtroom and on trial.  I did go after them big time for the money scams, the innocence tour, and the constant sham to protect Casey..but they are testifying truthfully for the State..and in the end that's what matters the most to me...that when the chips are down they are coming around to Caylee's side of the room.

I completely expect them to beg for mercy in sparing Casey's life..what parent wouldn't?

I do not expect you will hear them beg for her not to be incarcerated for this crime....believe me..I doubt they want her out and running free to kill again.
 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 02:17:31 PM
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.

I never saw that in evidence Turbo..although I could certainly could have missed it.

I think that was another story that came from LP's camp, that he told on someone's show and it never has been substaniated by LE.

Her cell pings keep her in the range of the A home that evening if I am not mistaken. 

I don't believe George saw them leave that morning of the 16th either.  I just think she was out of bed and out of the house before George woke up.  I think Caylee was already dead at that point.

But that is something that will never be proven or known unless Casey speaks...I really wish Baez would put her on the stand..but I truly do not think he will.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 12, 2011, 02:20:08 PM
Rather than kill Caylee to spite Cindy, perhaps this was Casey's way of literally cutting the cord with Cindy so she could live her life unincumbered, by a child and family. 

She found a lifestyle that she loved- thinking she was a big shot at Fusion, with people looking up to her as the girlfriend of Tony, figuring herself to be the "Shot Girl" manager.
  She coould have giving Caylee to Cindy and George -got a job-got an apartment-Oh to much work for her--easier to kill her parents and her daughter-  question  do u think she was born evil-or became that way becuase she  got away with everytthing-just curious--I think she was born evil
Both.  imo


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
 ::rhino::
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.

I never saw that in evidence Turbo..although I could certainly could have missed it.

I think that was another story that came from LP's camp, that he told on someone's show and it never has been substaniated by LE.

Her cell pings keep her in the range of the A home that evening if I am not mistaken. 

I don't believe George saw them leave that morning of the 16th either.  I just think she was out of bed and out of the house before George woke up.  I think Caylee was already dead at that point.

But that is something that will never be proven or known unless Casey speaks...I really wish Baez would put her on the stand..but I truly do not think he will.

Where was Casey the night of 15th?
If she told Amy that night she needed to find a place to stay, where did she stay? Where are her phone records for the 15th?pings? If she made a MySpace for zenaida on the afternoon of 16th she already killed Caylee on night of 15th after the fight with Cindy imo.







Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 02:34:49 PM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

I think you are right and I also think they don't want to confuse the jury with things which are of no relevance, although I do believe the fight between Cindy and KC is very relevant. The problem as I see it is there is no way to prove it without it being hearsay evidence since Cindy won't tell the truth.
exactly....

Wow..how do we know Cindy won't tell the truth about that fight ..if asked?

I say if asked, because that has not been asked by LDB yet..she stopped Cindy short of that in her testimony.  Basically Cindy can't say we fought about checks and money she stole from my Mom ..without Baez saying Cindy's accusation about the checks is heresay evidence.  Grandma Shirley would need to submit that testimony as evidence of the checks and her convo with Cindy on the 15th. 

Maybe they will still include that in the motive..we haven't seen Shirley Pleasa yet..and we may not..because there is enough motive already.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Grandma2Maddie on June 12, 2011, 02:36:16 PM
I'm still catching up and I want to thank you all for the information.   I'm so glad that they showed the heart stickers and the laundry bags from the Anthony house. 
I missed yesterday due to spending the day with daughter, granddaughter and soon to be daughter in law at the amusement/water park.  I'm paying for it today as I have back problems.  Trying to get through this thread so I can lay down. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)

JP was my first guess in the beginning. Then I kept thinking how she intergrates real life into her lies and thought maybe, but I think you are right Jeff...no, JP...yes. Thank you that clears up that...lol!

JP Chatt strongly dislikes Casey and always has from the friends accounts to LE.  I think he maybe the one and only guy she came into contact with who would have completely refused her advances.  I think she did not go to PR with them because they would be staying at a place JP's parents owned there..and I got the impression that  she was going to have to make her own arrangements for lodging, the excuse being not enugh room at the house for her..it's been a long time though and I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 02:41:58 PM
http://video.foxnews.com/v/989180517001

Body Language of Casey Anthony's Family (Tonya Reiman)

Thank you Seeme, this is precisely the segment of Judge Jeanine Sunny & I were referring to.   IMHO, she is spot on & that isnt just an observers opinion but also a work experience one.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 02:42:58 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)

JP was my first guess in the beginning. Then I kept thinking how she intergrates real life into her lies and thought maybe, but I think you are right Jeff...no, JP...yes. Thank you that clears up that...lol!
well, except that, by all accounts, Casey and JP did not meet until spring of 2008. 
I am remembering that LE released a statement in the fall of 2008 stating that they knew the identity of Caylee's father and that it was not relevant to the case, and would say no more on the subject.  

That directly countered what Jeff said at the beginning of the trial..that Caylee's father is NOT KNOWN at this time by the State.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 02:48:04 PM
Gypsy DD - I respectfully disagree with you that George Cindy and Lee are now telling the truth for the State. Last night I watched George's FBI interview where he clearly states that Caylee never spoke of Zanny.

In his testimony he says "she (caylee) said she was going to Zanny's"  ... I know that FBI agent, if he was watching, must have picked his jaw up off the floor when George lied on the witness stand a couple of weeks ago!!!

So, which is it? Is he telling the truth, now? Was he telling the truth, then?

 Is it live ... or is it Memorex?

Furthermore, why BOTHER lying about such an insignificant detail like that? I'm beginning to wonder if George may not be bi-polar, as well. He lies when it's not even worth lying about - a lot!

He may think it will help his daughter? Who knows... but it does not. Nothing could help her at this point.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flutter1 on June 12, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
Can anyone point me to the depo George gave describing KC and Caylee's leaving on the 16th.  i can't remember if he mentioned the clothes Caylee was wearing or just that she had her backpack.  Tyia.. ::CowboySmiley::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 02:56:48 PM
Can anyone point me to the depo George gave describing KC and Caylee's leaving on the 16th.  i can't remember if he mentioned the clothes Caylee was wearing or just that she had her backpack.  Tyia.. ::CowboySmiley::
::MonkeyNoNo::

He did say this not sure when. If you Google George Anthony deposition you can see it on YouTube. He was very sarcastic, defensive, different than now!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 02:57:42 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 03:05:50 PM
Can anyone point me to the depo George gave describing KC and Caylee's leaving on the 16th.  i can't remember if he mentioned the clothes Caylee was wearing or just that she had her backpack.  Tyia.. ::CowboySmiley::
::MonkeyNoNo::

He did say this not sure when. If you Google George Anthony deposition you can see it on YouTube. He was very sarcastic, defensive, different than now!
Here's Georges police affidavit
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/statement-given-by-george-anthony-to-police-on-71508/
Last time he say Caylee was on the 9th
Casey said last time she saw Caylee was on the 9th


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 03:10:46 PM
Rather than kill Caylee to spite Cindy, perhaps this was Casey's way of literally cutting the cord with Cindy so she could live her life unincumbered, by a child and family. 

She found a lifestyle that she loved- thinking she was a big shot at Fusion, with people looking up to her as the girlfriend of Tony, figuring herself to be the "Shot Girl" manager.
  She coould have giving Caylee to Cindy and George -got a job-got an apartment-Oh to much work for her--easier to kill her parents and her daughter-  question  do u think she was born evil-or became that way becuase she  got away with everytthing-just curious--I think she was born evil

I think there were things that were wrong with her,perhaps signs unrecognized,  which progressed into what she is today.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 12, 2011, 03:13:00 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

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Thank you.
Now what would of(I really can't think like kc) kc use them for, how/why did they get broken?
Maybe that room WAS the crime scene.   

 ::MonkeyBike::

Did we not see broken or intact picture frames at the Suburban Dr crime scene? 

I am way behind, so sorry if this has already been answered.  I posted this pic a few days ago, I couldn't remember why it was in my pbucket account.  Is this the picture frames?

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcpictureframemaybe.jpg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 03:13:30 PM
Someone had mentioned the Anthony's had dogs a while back which died from unknonwn causes.  Anyone care to elaborate?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 03:15:54 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
yes thanks carpe!
here is the youtube videos you can listen too as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WsTGggxUbw


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 03:18:46 PM
How many pieces of duct tape were actually located at the Suburban Dr "dump site"?

From what I am understanding, there were two different types, Henkel brand and regular duct tape.

There was also a larger piece of duct tape found in close proximity, which some are speculating Caylee was bound. 

This would make sense as this would've prevented Caylee from attempting to remove the duct tape positioned across her face.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: KCJackie on June 12, 2011, 03:19:29 PM
::rhino::
As far as the night Cindy and Casey had that big fight wasnt there some report that she was at or outside a hotel pacing back and forth talking on the phone, i have not heard anything about that. i dont think Casey spent the night there after the fight and i dont think george saw either on of them that morning

Yes there was. I can't remember the name of the hotel but she was either caught on tape or people saw her or both.

I never saw that in evidence Turbo..although I could certainly could have missed it.

I think that was another story that came from LP's camp, that he told on someone's show and it never has been substaniated by LE.

Her cell pings keep her in the range of the A home that evening if I am not mistaken. 

I don't believe George saw them leave that morning of the 16th either.  I just think she was out of bed and out of the house before George woke up.  I think Caylee was already dead at that point.

But that is something that will never be proven or known unless Casey speaks...I really wish Baez would put her on the stand..but I truly do not think he will.

Where was Casey the night of 15th?
If she told Amy that night she needed to find a place to stay, where did she stay? Where are her phone records for the 15th?pings? If she made a MySpace for zenaida on the afternoon of 16th she already killed Caylee on night of 15th after the fight with Cindy imo.






Here you will find maps of pings that Klaas and I did right after phone records were released.  Hope it helps.  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgyKqP0l_1w&feature=related


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:20:43 PM
**SNIPPED**
Even if one is a "Public figure," one may sue if libeled or slandered out of malice.  IMO George has indeed been slandered out of malice. I don't agree that George is a public figure, but perhaps a "Limited public figure."

As to whether or not one can "spot" a molester as a result of their own molestation, again I wish to disagree.  While I certainly sympathize with those who have been victimized by  this heinous crime, it does not make them an expert on the subject.  It makes them an expert only on their own experience.  It does not give them the ability to spot a molester a mile away.  When one trusts their "vibes" as a result of some past experience they have themselves had, and uses that feeling to accuse others, I feel it is very unfair.  There is no such ability.  I have seen no evidence whatsoever that George Anthony molested his daughter.  The mere fact that she, a proven liar, says so tends to make me lean the other way.

Being molested as a young child is I am sure one of the most terrifying experiences a child can go through, but it does not give them special psychic abilities.  Also, I hope they can live happy lives despite this experience and they don't let it define their entire lives.
Respectfully, I disagree.  Having known an inordinate amount of victims, they tend to be very perceptive. IMO, because of their experiences, they unconsciously pick up body language/voice inflection/same or similar verbal phrasing/etc. that are familiar because they are reminiscent of their own abuser.  In my experience with victims, this has been a common occurrence and they are usually correct.  Speculating here, scientifically  speaking, the trauma causes an acute awareness of the situation and the abuser and the resulting chemical changes imprint the memory with body language/voice inflection/particular verbal cues or words, along with a strong sense of danger (fight or flight). Just my two cents.

Need to run!  Have a good Sunday everyone and take care!




yep, I posted the same thing earlier.  I've seen the "boogeyman" and I know what he's like!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:21:49 PM
Janet - I'm not giving Cindy, George or Lee a pass, I still believe they all obstructed justice for Caylee but I don't believe Cindy, George or Lee harmed Caylee. 


Again, ITA with you Klaas & Ill go further to say that the angst I have for the rest of the Anthonys was their attempt to protect Casey afterwards.   I've contemplated that they were willing to protect her & tamper with evidence because they prayed it was some sort of "accident" versus Casey murdering Caylee but their thank you for this from the "spiteful B" was for her to make horrendous allegations to destroy them in any manner she further could & take them down with her.   To me, Casey's allegations ONLY make her heinous crime of murdering Caylee even more heinous.   It is also my personal belief that Casey's previous computer searches reveal an even more sinister plot, she drugged Caylee so she could go out when otherwise she couldnt & planned to murder her parents...she wanted that house & the only way to get it is if they were dead.
   I agree great post
I agree!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:24:43 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2011/06/casey-anthony-geraldo-rivera-shows-caylees-skull-photo.html
Casey Anthony: Geraldo Rivera shows Caylee’s skull photo
Caylee and Casey Anthony, Fox News Channel — posted by halboedeker on June, 12 2011 11:46 AM


Nobody does it like Geraldo Rivera, and we can be grateful there is only one of him.   ::rhino::

Consider that graphic animation of Caylee Anthony’s face turning into a skull. Before the state showed the animation Friday, Chief Judge Belvin Perry reminded everyone that the media were aware of restrictions on showing the images by Dr. Michael Warren, a prosecution witness.

The two media pools — the Orlando Sentinel and “In Session” — understood they were to pixelate and blur the images, Perry said. And the judge noted there was ”an absolute prohibition” on the public as well.

But Rivera showed the Caylee skull image on his Fox News Channel show, “Geraldo at Large,” last night. And the animation didn’t look pixelated or blurred.
 ::snipping2::

there are so many talking heads on television.  I think he he purposely chooses the unpopular side just to be relevant (oh and he's a idiot - let's not forget that)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 03:25:44 PM
Gypsy DD - I respectfully disagree with you that George Cindy and Lee are now telling the truth for the State. Last night I watched George's FBI interview where he clearly states that Caylee never spoke of Zanny.

In his testimony he says "she (caylee) said she was going to Zanny's"  ... I know that FBI agent, if he was watching, must have picked his jaw up off the floor when George lied on the witness stand a couple of weeks ago!!!

So, which is it? Is he telling the truth, now? Was he telling the truth, then?

 Is it live ... or is it Memorex?

Furthermore, why BOTHER lying about such an insignificant detail like that? I'm beginning to wonder if George may not be bi-polar, as well. He lies when it's not even worth lying about - a lot!

He may think it will help his daughter? Who knows... but it does not. Nothing could help her at this point.

I don't think George is lying now.

I do know from the interviews he did with both LE and the FBI that he lied then.  And they knew he was lying..but it was not something that hindered the investigation.  Because the family didn't know anymore then LE knew where the Caylee was or what happened.

I thought he was referring to Casey saying that Caylee was going to Zanny's.  Not that Caylee said that..but Casey said that.
That's just the way I took it...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 03:30:11 PM

I would so like to see them penalized for their lies, but I doubt that will happen.


can ... I agree.

I would assume that obstruction of justice is a felony.

Janet

But, but, C & A are special!   ::MonkeyTongue::

No doubt you're happy to see Canucks have 3 under their belt.

 ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:30:23 PM
Someone had mentioned the Anthony's had dogs a while back which died from unknonwn causes.  Anyone care to elaborate?

interesting!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:32:48 PM
How in the world could Cindy say Caylee was still alive even after DNA proved the body found was Caylee's?  Did Casey throw her more conspiracy theory crap?  I understand she was in denial but that's like some friends of mine thinking dinosaurs never existed - big cover up.  geeeeezzzz!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 03:34:47 PM

I'm not psychic nor do I profess to be.  I am going to disagree with you.  I've worked with incest survivors for 25 years and seen many many therapists.  I've been involved with studies on behaviors of sexual predators.  If someone has been bitten by a dog, they're more "aware" of what types of behaviors to look for when around strange dogs, when someone has been mugged they're more "aware" of a person's behavior and could possible save themselves from another, when someone has lived with a pathological liar (casey) and finally realized what was going on - they themselves could probably have an "idea" if they run into someone whose story just "quite wasn't right", If someone was an alcoholic for many years they could probably spot another alcoholic by things he/she does when someone who has not been exposed to alcoholism could not.  So, we'll just agree to disagree on this one ;)  I would never accuse someone in my real life of molesting children & call the police etc..  I will however hold my 2 1/2 year old daughter a little closer if I'm getting that "vibe" from someone.  And by the way the last "vibe" I got was from a man that walked around our neighborhood with his wife.  He lived on the street behind me.  I told my husband I had a feeling about him.  What happened?  He was arrested last year for molesting little girls that came to "swim" at his house.  So.  I like to ere on the side of caution.  I didn't call the police because I saw nothing to report.  I didn't stalk the man because I had no basis for my opinion.  I did however tell my neighbor about my suspicions when she was going to let her daughter go to his house to swim.  (They went to the same church).  I don't get that vibe from George at all.  I could be wrong.  I do however believe that something has happened between Lee & Casey.  May be kids experimenting, may be puppy love with his sister who knows.  May be nothing.

That's what I love about this forum.  We're able to express our opinions.  Mine? George didn't molest Casey.  Why?  Like many of you have your gut feelings about other things in this case -  I have a gut feeling about it.  My gut feeling is my "vibe".

My "vibe is partially based on the fact that my father and uncle molesting me from the time I was 3 until I was 13.  My father was a business man, deacon in our church & involved in politics.  He didn't look like the "boogeyman" even though he was.  For the record someone's looks doesn't effect my judgment at all.  It's just something about their demeanor, how they carry themselves and how they interact with others.  Not psychic - just seen the boogeyman & know what he's like!!

I can't speak to incest, but in my experience anyone who has had a traumatic experience with another person is subconsciously "keyed into" that behavior. People who have been attacked on the street or otherwise seem to have an ability not only to recognize the behaviors but actually  "feel" the presence of another attacker. I don't know if there have been studies on that but just as a recovered druggie or alcoholic recognize the behaviors of one still using long before that person is recognized by anyone else to be alcoholic. Same with children who have grown up in an addicted home, they "know" an addict when they meet them.

I personally can attest to violent men. My first marriage (although short) was an abusive one and to this day I can spot an abuser a mile a way. I have told friends before they better get out while they can when they had NO IDEA I knew anything about their marriage. I can see and feel that and interesting enough when you have overcome that fear, the abusers KNOW you too. They tend to be afraid of women who left an abusive relationship for some reason. My ex when I lost my fear became afraid of me. WHY? I have no idea but I do know that rageful men avoid me at all costs, personally and professionally.

I would almost bet an incest or sexually molested child would also key into ANY behavior or words that would make them recognize an abuser.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::

What is NEW in the room is the Winnie the Pooh comforter, it has been replaced.  Which to me shows that Cindy was trying to protect Casey. 

Bozo wanted Kc's room out of the trial.  Why?
Calyee's is a different story, we know about the blanket.
 ::boxingjeffbaez::


Good Morning, Monkeys!

IMO, Baez wants to keep Casey's room out because of the broken picture frames.  Were those frames in Casey's room prior to June, 2008?

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Thank you.
Now what would of(I really can't think like kc) kc use them for, how/why did they get broken?
Maybe that room WAS the crime scene.   

 ::MonkeyBike::

Did we not see broken or intact picture frames at the Suburban Dr crime scene? 

I am way behind, so sorry if this has already been answered.  I posted this pic a few days ago, I couldn't remember why it was in my pbucket account.  Is this the picture frames?

(http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr319/kcjackie/kcpictureframemaybe.jpg)



..........................................................
Thanks...
Not sure.  I hadn't heard a lot of the frames.
Wonder if this will come out later in the trial.

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 03:37:51 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
yes thanks carpe!
here is the youtube videos you can listen too as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WsTGggxUbw


That's great, starmonkey. Thank you! It's even better to actually hear his voice. I love the part where he said: If I ever talked to my mother the way Casey does... I'd get slapped.... and I'm in my 40's. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::boxingcasey2::   ( I would too! If said F my mother.... even at my age and size... I'd be running like the guy with the neck-brace does to get a seat in court. She was a tough ol' bird)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 03:43:46 PM

I'm not psychic nor do I profess to be.  I am going to disagree with you.  I've worked with incest survivors for 25 years and seen many many therapists.  I've been involved with studies on behaviors of sexual predators.  If someone has been bitten by a dog, they're more "aware" of what types of behaviors to look for when around strange dogs, when someone has been mugged they're more "aware" of a person's behavior and could possible save themselves from another, when someone has lived with a pathological liar (casey) and finally realized what was going on - they themselves could probably have an "idea" if they run into someone whose story just "quite wasn't right", If someone was an alcoholic for many years they could probably spot another alcoholic by things he/she does when someone who has not been exposed to alcoholism could not.  So, we'll just agree to disagree on this one ;)  I would never accuse someone in my real life of molesting children & call the police etc..  I will however hold my 2 1/2 year old daughter a little closer if I'm getting that "vibe" from someone.  And by the way the last "vibe" I got was from a man that walked around our neighborhood with his wife.  He lived on the street behind me.  I told my husband I had a feeling about him.  What happened?  He was arrested last year for molesting little girls that came to "swim" at his house.  So.  I like to ere on the side of caution.  I didn't call the police because I saw nothing to report.  I didn't stalk the man because I had no basis for my opinion.  I did however tell my neighbor about my suspicions when she was going to let her daughter go to his house to swim.  (They went to the same church).  I don't get that vibe from George at all.  I could be wrong.  I do however believe that something has happened between Lee & Casey.  May be kids experimenting, may be puppy love with his sister who knows.  May be nothing.

That's what I love about this forum.  We're able to express our opinions.  Mine? George didn't molest Casey.  Why?  Like many of you have your gut feelings about other things in this case -  I have a gut feeling about it.  My gut feeling is my "vibe".

My "vibe is partially based on the fact that my father and uncle molesting me from the time I was 3 until I was 13.  My father was a business man, deacon in our church & involved in politics.  He didn't look like the "boogeyman" even though he was.  For the record someone's looks doesn't effect my judgment at all.  It's just something about their demeanor, how they carry themselves and how they interact with others.  Not psychic - just seen the boogeyman & know what he's like!!

I can't speak to incest, but in my experience anyone who has had a traumatic experience with another person is subconsciously "keyed into" that behavior. People who have been attacked on the street or otherwise seem to have an ability not only to recognize the behaviors but actually  "feel" the presence of another attacker. I don't know if there have been studies on that but just as a recovered druggie or alcoholic recognize the behaviors of one still using long before that person is recognized by anyone else to be alcoholic. Same with children who have grown up in an addicted home, they "know" an addict when they meet them.

I personally can attest to violent men. My first marriage (although short) was an abusive one and to this day I can spot an abuser a mile a way. I have told friends before they better get out while they can when they had NO IDEA I knew anything about their marriage. I can see and feel that and interesting enough when you have overcome that fear, the abusers KNOW you too. They tend to be afraid of women who left an abusive relationship for some reason. My ex when I lost my fear became afraid of me. WHY? I have no idea but I do know that rageful men avoid me at all costs, personally and professionally.

I would almost bet an incest or sexually molested child would also key into ANY behavior or words that would make them recognize an abuser.

He was afraid of you because he could no longer control you by fear.  YOU had control now.  For what it is worth I am SO proud of you for removing yourself from that situation.  So many women just can't muster the courage to do it.  You seem very insightful and I'll bet, even if you don't realize it, you've helped A LOT of women!  You go girl!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 03:44:38 PM
The accumulation of pertinent Caylee Anthony case data on this site is incredible!

Blonde, I posted this link in your Timeline thread.  Hope it helps.

Janet

++++

The Murder trial of Casey Anthony: Timeline and Evidence
Updated 10/19/09


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1

by Valhall


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 03:45:05 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
here isa pdf link of Jesse Grunds Affidavit re the Fight before Caylee goes missing that cindy choked casey
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0408/19129428.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 03:46:58 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
yes thanks carpe!
here is the youtube videos you can listen too as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WsTGggxUbw


That's great, starmonkey. Thank you! It's even better to actually hear his voice. I love the part where he said: If I ever talked to my mother the way Casey does... I'd get slapped.... and I'm in my 40's. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::boxingcasey2::   ( I would too! If said F my mother.... even at my age and size... I'd be running like the guy with the neck-brace does to get a seat in court. She was a tough ol' bird)
Oh me too believe me! till this day I respect my mom, never attempt to even get mad at her!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 03:47:55 PM
When Cindy Choked Casey she probably Blew up and couldnt take it no more!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 03:51:17 PM

I don't think George is lying now.

I do know from the interviews he did with both LE and the FBI that he lied then.  And they knew he was lying..but it was not something that hindered the investigation.  Because the family didn't know anymore then LE knew where the Caylee was or what happened.

I thought he was referring to Casey saying that Caylee was going to Zanny's.  Not that Caylee said that..but Casey said that.
That's just the way I took it...

I think they are ALL figgin lying. NOT ONE OF THEM has come out and told the truth yet. Not just from all the differences between their prior depositions and now, but they are all sticking to their stories in a "sideways" sort of way. Cindy told that crazy story about their "bonding time" the night of the 15th - George told about seeing them both the 16th in great detail which I believe almost none of.............and Lee just hmmms & ha s his way around on the stand so not to be specific. I still and will always believe they pretty well knew she was dead because of something prior to them sending Lee to look for KC and definitely KNEW after they found her.

NO ONE is so stupid when they smell a dead body in their own car not to call the police immediately, particularly when they had not talked to Caylee for a month. NO ONE is so stupid as to clean out a car reaking of decomposition and wash a knife and clothes from that car. I don't care if they were in shock, they were doing nothing but planning on how to blame this on ANYONE but KC. Cindy went back to work but took the time to WASH all those things? Sure she did. She was working out how to find KC without George knowing about it and straighten it all out. The ONLY reason she called the police was because she was pissed about the money and the credit cards and almost if Caylee was a secondary reason. When she could get nothing out of KC, she called about the smell because it had finally dawned on her that KC had killed Caylee. If she had thought that through another hour or so, she would never have called them at all.

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 12, 2011, 03:53:02 PM

I don't think George is lying now.

I do know from the interviews he did with both LE and the FBI that he lied then.  And they knew he was lying..but it was not something that hindered the investigation.  Because the family didn't know anymore then LE knew where the Caylee was or what happened.

I thought he was referring to Casey saying that Caylee was going to Zanny's.  Not that Caylee said that..but Casey said that.
That's just the way I took it...

I think they are ALL figgin lying. NOT ONE OF THEM has come out and told the truth yet. Not just from all the differences between their prior depositions and now, but they are all sticking to their stories in a "sideways" sort of way. Cindy told that crazy story about their "bonding time" the night of the 15th - George told about seeing them both the 16th in great detail which I believe almost none of.............and Lee just hmmms & ha s his way around on the stand so not to be specific. I still and will always believe they pretty well knew she was dead because of something prior to them sending Lee to look for KC and definitely KNEW after they found her.

NO ONE is so stupid when they smell a dead body in their own car not to call the police immediately, particularly when they had not talked to Caylee for a month. NO ONE is so stupid as to clean out a car reaking of decomposition and wash a knife and clothes from that car. I don't care if they were in shock, they were doing nothing but planning on how to blame this on ANYONE but KC. Cindy went back to work but took the time to WASH all those things? Sure she did. She was working out how to find KC without George knowing about it and straighten it all out. The ONLY reason she called the police was because she was pissed about the money and the credit cards and almost if Caylee was a secondary reason. When she could get nothing out of KC, she called about the smell because it had finally dawned on her that KC had killed Caylee. If she had thought that through another hour or so, she would never have called them at all.

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

ITA!!!!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 04:02:10 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
here isa pdf link of Jesse Grunds Affidavit re the Fight before Caylee goes missing that cindy choked casey
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0408/19129428.pdf



so in this affidavit Jesse also says that Casey and Cindy were planning to pin that Jesse killed caylee in the pool in backyard.
they couldnt pin it on Jesse now trying to pin it on George.(well that he found her) that we know is a lie.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 04:03:11 PM
When Cindy Choked Casey she probably Blew up and couldnt take it no more!


Seems like after all these years, the only way she could hurt Cindy was to take Caylee away from her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 04:07:06 PM
When Cindy Choked Casey she probably Blew up and couldnt take it no more!


Seems like after all these years, the only way she could hurt Cindy was to take Caylee away from her.
yes I agree, and I believe she did kill caylee out of spite. they fought, casey tells amy I need a place to stay. cindy tells co worker she Cant afford to keep caylee. Casey takes care of caylee(not in a good mom way, she killed her), then goes party and is happy she made cindy miserable.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 04:22:25 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
here isa pdf link of Jesse Grunds Affidavit re the Fight before Caylee goes missing that cindy choked casey
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0408/19129428.pdf


So I get this straight, Kc told Jesse that Cindy choked her.
Edit-add missing quote bracket.  MB
Think Kc was lying.  Make the story more interesting, since there was a fight.  Kc seems to make her stories bigger and bigger.
If anything, bet Kc was trying to choke Cindy.  
We'll never know the whole true.

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 04:28:45 PM
http://orlando.godengo.net/Blogs/Casey-Anthony-Trial/June-2011/I-Was-There/

Jun 10, 2011  12:37 AMCasey Anthony Trial
I Was There

(http://orlando.godengo.net/images/cache/e5eb6234644959b265d66004f23a3b5b.jpeg)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 04:30:20 PM
What can be given, can be taken away.

Everyone lies, everyone dies.

Everyone laughs at blow flies!

(http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l600/blondeonahd1/Casey%20anthony%20trial%20pictures/fruteflys.jpg)


She pretty much told them what she did.  ::boxingcasey2::

Cindy, you need jujitsu classes to learn the art of the choke, hun. If she's still able to talk, you aren't doing it hard enough.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Jesse on June 12, 2011, 04:39:15 PM
what i dont get is didnt Casey think anyone would find out about Caylee? what did she think would happen once she went home or her parents made contact with her what was she going to say


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: pharlap on June 12, 2011, 04:47:53 PM
what i dont get is didnt Casey think anyone would find out about Caylee? what did she think would happen once she went home or her parents made contact with her what was she going to say

Jmo.  Think the parents were next.

Think Kc was going to move the body with Tony's truck, when he went out of town, to put the body further out.
Kc didn't think about the body smell.  Actually who would.
When that happened, had to think of went another plan.

Kc didn't think she'd run into George on the 24th.
Maybe another plan at this time now.

Again these are all just thoughts.

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 12, 2011, 05:12:03 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
Didn't he say he was never with her?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blonde on June 12, 2011, 05:15:02 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)

 He was always the one I thought could be but Amy said he didn't like Casey
I started a thread who's the daddy three years ago under the Casey Anthony stuff


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you Carpe.

Jean Couty's deposition affirms Lee's words to Tony regarding a dispute between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.

Cindy claimed in court testimony that the evening of June 15, 2008 was a special evening with Casey and Caylee.  It was a bonding time.

It is said that lies are created to cover up the truth.  Why was Cindy willing to lie under oath regarding the fight with Casey.  What truth was she attempting to covering up?

Janet


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: karenmamo on June 12, 2011, 05:26:48 PM

I don't think George is lying now.

I do know from the interviews he did with both LE and the FBI that he lied then.  And they knew he was lying..but it was not something that hindered the investigation.  Because the family didn't know anymore then LE knew where the Caylee was or what happened.

I thought he was referring to Casey saying that Caylee was going to Zanny's.  Not that Caylee said that..but Casey said that.
That's just the way I took it...

I think they are ALL figgin lying. NOT ONE OF THEM has come out and told the truth yet. Not just from all the differences between their prior depositions and now, but they are all sticking to their stories in a "sideways" sort of way. Cindy told that crazy story about their "bonding time" the night of the 15th - George told about seeing them both the 16th in great detail which I believe almost none of.............and Lee just hmmms & ha s his way around on the stand so not to be specific. I still and will always believe they pretty well knew she was dead because of something prior to them sending Lee to look for KC and definitely KNEW after they found her.

NO ONE is so stupid when they smell a dead body in their own car not to call the police immediately, particularly when they had not talked to Caylee for a month. NO ONE is so stupid as to clean out a car reaking of decomposition and wash a knife and clothes from that car. I don't care if they were in shock, they were doing nothing but planning on how to blame this on ANYONE but KC. Cindy went back to work but took the time to WASH all those things? Sure she did. She was working out how to find KC without George knowing about it and straighten it all out. The ONLY reason she called the police was because she was pissed about the money and the credit cards and almost if Caylee was a secondary reason. When she could get nothing out of KC, she called about the smell because it had finally dawned on her that KC had killed Caylee. If she had thought that through another hour or so, she would never have called them at all.

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.
YES!  YES!  YES!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: jammsnana on June 12, 2011, 05:31:29 PM
One thing I'm totally confused on, when bozo made a statement(and tried to keep kc's pictures of her bedroom OUT of the trial) kc hadn't lived there   for 6 months??????  Did I hear that correctly?

If I did, why in the world would bozo want them OUT of the trial?
Why didn't kc live there?

 ::MonkeyEek::

He was referring to July to December 2008 when KC was in jail already.

Edited to add:  The photos were taken in December 2008 after Caylee's body was found (evidence photos)

Well, that's plain goofy..
Just showing the jurors that kc had a nice room.
In less there is something that's not right with her room.
Have to go look at that pic again...like what's missing or something.
CSI moment, hahahaha
 ::MonkeyDevil::




I think that Cindy REDID Casey's and Caylee's room by adding all those cute pics of Caylee and all the other cutesy things around the room..No Way did that selfish woman (ICA) have her room decorated like that and live in it..If you look at the early shots of those rooms, you see a bed with a green blanket/spread and more or less PLAIN or generic decor..no pics of CAYLEE and no big CAYLEE boards..but they ARE there in later shots.. I think it was Cindy trying to make her look more like a mom..I personally had pics of my kids in my house..maybe even in my bedroom..but not like the pics we see here... http://www.image-search-engine.com/casey-anthony-photos_2.html .  I cannot find the other pics..maybe some smart monkey will be able to..it only makes sense to me, that it was fixed to look better after the fact. I, too was a 19 yr old mom. I had 2 babies by 21 and both my kids are married with son having 3 kids and daughter having 5!! I am a nana to 8 kids...from 13 down to 2 6 yr olds!! I was young..but I was and am a GREAT mom and Nana!!!




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: CarolF on June 12, 2011, 05:36:46 PM

I don't think George is lying now.

I do know from the interviews he did with both LE and the FBI that he lied then.  And they knew he was lying..but it was not something that hindered the investigation.  Because the family didn't know anymore then LE knew where the Caylee was or what happened.

I thought he was referring to Casey saying that Caylee was going to Zanny's.  Not that Caylee said that..but Casey said that.
That's just the way I took it...

I think they are ALL figgin lying. NOT ONE OF THEM has come out and told the truth yet. Not just from all the differences between their prior depositions and now, but they are all sticking to their stories in a "sideways" sort of way. Cindy told that crazy story about their "bonding time" the night of the 15th - George told about seeing them both the 16th in great detail which I believe almost none of.............and Lee just hmmms & ha s his way around on the stand so not to be specific. I still and will always believe they pretty well knew she was dead because of something prior to them sending Lee to look for KC and definitely KNEW after they found her.

NO ONE is so stupid when they smell a dead body in their own car not to call the police immediately, particularly when they had not talked to Caylee for a month. NO ONE is so stupid as to clean out a car reaking of decomposition and wash a knife and clothes from that car. I don't care if they were in shock, they were doing nothing but planning on how to blame this on ANYONE but KC. Cindy went back to work but took the time to WASH all those things? Sure she did. She was working out how to find KC without George knowing about it and straighten it all out. The ONLY reason she called the police was because she was pissed about the money and the credit cards and almost if Caylee was a secondary reason. When she could get nothing out of KC, she called about the smell because it had finally dawned on her that KC had killed Caylee. If she had thought that through another hour or so, she would never have called them at all.

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

I agree with this. They knew Caylee was dead.  How could they not know first time they smelled that car? When we all heard 31 days missing and the car smelled like a dead body had been in there we all knew Caylee was dead.

I am so glad the prosecution is presenting their case the way they are. I am glad they are focused on Caylee and what happened to her and I think they are doing a wonderful job at it. I believe this is what will get a conviction for Casey. They can deal with the Anthony's lies later and I am sure the later is going to be all the lies that bozo brings out when he presents his defense. 

He is going to make everyone angry with his stomping around, demanding to know how much everyone makes and what their money interest is in this huge media death penalty case. I have to say I am very interested in how he is going to proceed. Not that I can stand hearing him and jarhead talk they make me sick to my stomach.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 06:13:46 PM
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/06/casey-anthony-jail-records-show-she-got-medication-at-end-of-jury-selection/
Casey Anthony Jail Records Show She Got Medication At End Of Jury Selection
06/10/2011


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 06:26:00 PM

well, except that, by all accounts, Casey and JP did not meet until spring of 2008. 
I am remembering that LE released a statement in the fall of 2008 stating that they knew the identity of Caylee's father and that it was not relevant to the case, and would say no more on the subject. 

ummmm do you have a link for that? I do not remember ever hearing that....and I think that might be something I would remember. In the opening statement Jeff said the state did NOT know the identify of Caylee's father.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 06:33:17 PM
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings

June 15, 2008 there is a break in phone activity (none) for Casey from 9:26:59 pm - 10:05:55. 38 minutes that Casey was not on her phone.  Was this the time period that she and Cindy uploaded Caylee's video from her visit to the nursing home, or was this when the fight occurred?  Does anyone know if there is proof of the time the video was uploaded to the computer?   

I'm still looking to see if Casey did leave the house that night.  LP was the one that said he talked with a man who saw Casey at a motel that night.  Of course, there is nothing to back up his statement and nobody ever came forth to verify his statement.   Surprise, surprise!

I have looked numerous times and have never found anything that indicated to me that KC left the house the night of the 15th....I admit I am not great in deciphering the pings....but someone who is told me the pings were all from the tower that would be conducive to her being at home. If you find anything please, please let me know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 06:41:58 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
yes thanks carpe!
here is the youtube videos you can listen too as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WsTGggxUbw


That's great, starmonkey. Thank you! It's even better to actually hear his voice. I love the part where he said: If I ever talked to my mother the way Casey does... I'd get slapped.... and I'm in my 40's. ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::boxingcasey2::   ( I would too! If said F my mother.... even at my age and size... I'd be running like the guy with the neck-brace does to get a seat in court. She was a tough ol' bird)

to this day if my son said that he'd be looking for his teeth, after he got out of a full body brace....I am still a tough old bird ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 06:43:17 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you Carpe.

Jean Couty's deposition affirms Lee's words to Tony regarding a dispute between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.

Cindy claimed in court testimony that the evening of June 15, 2008 was a special evening with Casey and Caylee.  It was a bonding time.

It is said that lies are created to cover up the truth.  Why was Cindy willing to lie under oath regarding the fight with Casey.  What truth was she attempting to covering up?

Janet

Actually, Mr. Couty said he witnessed 2 arguments, both occurred on weekends. The first one he thought was at the end of May and when further questioned about the second onem he thought it was about a month before the police activity started at the Anthony's. He also stated that he didn't want to say anything that he could not confirm.   

So we still don't know if a fight occurred on June 15 or not, by his account.  We are still assuming and until Lee or Cindy testifies it did happen, that's all we can do at this point. 

Several pages back  I posted a link to Casey's cell phone pings, which show where she was on the night of the 15th.  She had no phone activity for 38 minutes from 9:26:59 - 10:05:55.   This could account for the time the fight occurred, but it would be a little late for Mr. Couey to be out doing yard work.  He also stated that Casey left in her car alone.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 06:45:43 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 06:46:25 PM
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings

June 15, 2008 there is a break in phone activity (none) for Casey from 9:26:59 pm - 10:05:55. 38 minutes that Casey was not on her phone.  Was this the time period that she and Cindy uploaded Caylee's video from her visit to the nursing home, or was this when the fight occurred?  Does anyone know if there is proof of the time the video was uploaded to the computer?   

I'm still looking to see if Casey did leave the house that night.  LP was the one that said he talked with a man who saw Casey at a motel that night.  Of course, there is nothing to back up his statement and nobody ever came forth to verify his statement.   Surprise, surprise!

I have looked numerous times and have never found anything that indicated to me that KC left the house the night of the 15th....I admit I am not great in deciphering the pings....but someone who is told me the pings were all from the tower that would be conducive to her being at home. If you find anything please, please let me know.
It's really hard to tell if she was actually home all night by the pings. She could have left the house but remained in the area to still give off the same pings.  Now Tony posted here that Casey was home all night.  I tend to go by his word on that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 06:52:29 PM
LE noted that when KC's cell phone records are retrieved there are no numbers belonging to Zani, Jeffery H, or Juliet L. In addition, they note that the "private phone call" KC claimed she got at noon on June 15th in which she spoke with Caylee for the first time in a month did not show up on the phone records.

During CA's and GA's July 25th visit with KC at the jail KC gives a description of Zani: curly brown hair that has been straightened, 5'7" tall, 140 lbs, brown eyes, no tattoos. KC says Zani's father's name is Victor, her mother's name is Gloria and her older sister's name is Samantha. Repeats that Zani's roommates are Raquel Ferrel (Sp?) and Jennifer Rosa. States Jennifer R works for ABC distribution center in Orlando and Raquel F works at a TGIF restaurant. LE verifies through TGIF HR department that no Raquel F has ever worked for the company.

On July 29th Lee provides LE with a copy of an email that originated from "Thomas.Franck@events.universal.com". LE finds that the email address does not work. Upon visiting with an investigator at Universal, LE finds that Thomas F is not an employee of Universal, that there is no email server "@events.universal.com", and that the other names mentioned in the chain of emails that appear to work for Universal do not work for the company or any of their contractors.

My question is how in the world did she keep all the people's names she made up straight?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 06:55:02 PM
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings

June 15, 2008 there is a break in phone activity (none) for Casey from 9:26:59 pm - 10:05:55. 38 minutes that Casey was not on her phone.  Was this the time period that she and Cindy uploaded Caylee's video from her visit to the nursing home, or was this when the fight occurred?  Does anyone know if there is proof of the time the video was uploaded to the computer?   

I'm still looking to see if Casey did leave the house that night.  LP was the one that said he talked with a man who saw Casey at a motel that night.  Of course, there is nothing to back up his statement and nobody ever came forth to verify his statement.   Surprise, surprise!

I have looked numerous times and have never found anything that indicated to me that KC left the house the night of the 15th....I admit I am not great in deciphering the pings....but someone who is told me the pings were all from the tower that would be conducive to her being at home. If you find anything please, please let me know.
It's really hard to tell if she was actually home all night by the pings. She could have left the house but remained in the area to still give off the same pings.  Now Tony posted here that Casey was home all night.  I tend to go by his word on that.

I think she either went to Lee's house or that vacant house I always suspected she stayed during the day until George left. Lee was living a few blocks away at the time and LE determined the pings would have been the same.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 06:57:09 PM

I don't think George is lying now.

I do know from the interviews he did with both LE and the FBI that he lied then.  And they knew he was lying..but it was not something that hindered the investigation.  Because the family didn't know anymore then LE knew where the Caylee was or what happened.

I thought he was referring to Casey saying that Caylee was going to Zanny's.  Not that Caylee said that..but Casey said that.
That's just the way I took it...

I think they are ALL figgin lying. NOT ONE OF THEM has come out and told the truth yet. Not just from all the differences between their prior depositions and now, but they are all sticking to their stories in a "sideways" sort of way. Cindy told that crazy story about their "bonding time" the night of the 15th - George told about seeing them both the 16th in great detail which I believe almost none of.............and Lee just hmmms & ha s his way around on the stand so not to be specific. I still and will always believe they pretty well knew she was dead because of something prior to them sending Lee to look for KC and definitely KNEW after they found her.

NO ONE is so stupid when they smell a dead body in their own car not to call the police immediately, particularly when they had not talked to Caylee for a month. NO ONE is so stupid as to clean out a car reaking of decomposition and wash a knife and clothes from that car. I don't care if they were in shock, they were doing nothing but planning on how to blame this on ANYONE but KC. Cindy went back to work but took the time to WASH all those things? Sure she did. She was working out how to find KC without George knowing about it and straighten it all out. The ONLY reason she called the police was because she was pissed about the money and the credit cards and almost if Caylee was a secondary reason. When she could get nothing out of KC, she called about the smell because it had finally dawned on her that KC had killed Caylee. If she had thought that through another hour or so, she would never have called them at all.

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

Turbo..all due respect, but I don't believe one person can make another person tell them anything they don't want to say..short of torture or threatening their life.  We aren't talking about Casey being a normal person ..we are talking about a very cunning lying sociopath who short of being throttled by her family or the cops was not going to..and even until this day with the DP staring her in the face..still has not told the truth.

When Casey first was released from jail George started to go at her and was held back by his friend from Ohio.  It has been stated by you, that Cindy went after Casey the night of the 15th.  Once  LE were called, either of her parents laying a finger on her would have been grounds for their arrest for battery and assualt.  And personally..she would have loved that..and still would not have told the truth.

And can someone kindly point out to me how anything GA and CA said stopped LE from getting the truth out of Casey? 

Do you honestly believe that George and Cindy were in on this somehow and knew what Casey had done and where Caylee was from the beginning/  Because unless you do the fact of anything they said having anything to do with finding Caylee makes no sense.

Only one person had that answer..and frankly still has that answer. 

None of us know exactly how, when, where or using what measures Casey murdered Caylee.

We know she is responsible.

We know duct tape was involved.

We know choloform was in the trunk air in ridiculous levels.

We know Caylee's body was in the trunk.

We know the little body was found in the woods on Suburban DR after being there for many months.

But only Casey knows the details of this..the hour of death, the things used and what order she used them to murder her, the place she murdered her, the time(s) she moved the body.

If she still isn't talking after being in jail 3 years..after being faced with the DP....she sure as shooting wasn't going to tell her Mom or Dad anything just because they insisted or even roughed her up a bit.

I don't like George or Cindy..but I in no way can see how they could have helped to solve this crime any sooner..they had no information to give.  Yes they lied about things..but it was so obvious that LE totally ignored it and went about their business. 

Unfortunately I feel everyone has played into their plan..which was to divert attention away from their daughter..which it did by making a circus out of this case.  Horrible, horrible thing they did...I agree.  But it did not stop LE..it may have made the rest of the world angry and upset with the A's..but it did not stop LE.  Public opinion is just that ..public..the jury is not part of that public opinion so it will have no bearing on the trials outcome....

And all I am concerned about is the trials outcome..that the one person who murdered Caylee is the one person that recieves the guilty verdict..Casey.

And yes I fully expect her parents to plead for her life....I can't imagine any parent that would not do that for their child.

But this is only my opinion.  I just think that you are giving the A's more credit then they are due...they haven't got more knowledge of this then LE, the bug experts, Dr Vass, Dr G, or anyone else for that matter. They were disruptive to the public..but of no consequence to LE.  The only person with all the definitive answers isn't talking.  And that person has staked her life on it..now if that isn't a sociopath then I don't know what is.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 07:03:22 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you Carpe.

Jean Couty's deposition affirms Lee's words to Tony regarding a dispute between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.

Cindy claimed in court testimony that the evening of June 15, 2008 was a special evening with Casey and Caylee.  It was a bonding time.

It is said that lies are created to cover up the truth.  Why was Cindy willing to lie under oath regarding the fight with Casey.  What truth was she attempting to covering up?

Janet

Actually, Mr. Couty said he witnessed 2 arguments, both occurred on weekends. The first one he thought was at the end of May and when further questioned about the second onem he thought it was about a month before the police activity started at the Anthony's. He also stated that he didn't want to say anything that he could not confirm.   

So we still don't know if a fight occurred on June 15 or not, by his account.  We are still assuming and until Lee or Cindy testifies it did happen, that's all we can do at this point. 

Several pages back  I posted a link to Casey's cell phone pings, which show where she was on the night of the 15th.  She had no phone activity for 38 minutes from 9:26:59 - 10:05:55.   This could account for the time the fight occurred, but it would be a little late for Mr. Couey to be out doing yard work.  He also stated that Casey left in her car alone.

Thanks tupelohoney

I had thought a neighbour had overheard an argument at the Anthony home on June 15, 2008.  I was hoping that Jean Couty's deposition was confirmation.

Janet

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Ex-fiancée Jesse Grund alleged Casey Anthony, mother fought
22 December 2008 @ 01:43 pm EDT


<snipped>

The ex-fiancée of Casey Anthony alleged that she and her mother got into a big argument the night before Casey's daughter Caylee went missing.

Jesse Grund told Sherriff's investigators about the incident in documents released by the State Attorney's Office in late November, saying he learned of it from Casey's brother Lee Anthony.

"It got into a very heated argument, which turned physical and Cindy started choking Casey," Grund said, after a review of documents by Central Florida 13 news.

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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081222/fianc-eacutejesse-grund-alleged-casey-anthony-mother-fought.htm


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 12, 2011, 07:03:41 PM

well, except that, by all accounts, Casey and JP did not meet until spring of 2008. 
I am remembering that LE released a statement in the fall of 2008 stating that they knew the identity of Caylee's father and that it was not relevant to the case, and would say no more on the subject. 

ummmm do you have a link for that? I do not remember ever hearing that....and I think that might be something I would remember. In the opening statement Jeff said the state did NOT know the identify of Caylee's father.

I remember Michael Baden talking about it. ::MonkeyRoll:: I won't believe anything unless it comes from the prosecution.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/breaking-will-the-father-of-caylee-anthony-be-revealed-and-will-he-be-key-witness/
 ::snipping2::
Last night Linda Kenney Baden, one of Casey Anthony’s defense attorneys, joined me as a guest on my radio show. Also joining me was her husband — renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden. Near the end of the show, I asked Linda a question that had been on my mind for a while about the Casey Anthony case. I wanted to know her thoughts on whether the defense team or prosecutors had an interest in who the father of little Caylee Anthony is? And, if so, would this person testify at trial? She paused and said, “That’s a question to ask the prosecutors.” Then Dr. Baden jumped in saying he could answer the question because he’s not involved in the case. He said they ABSOLUTLEY know who the father is, through forensics, and that we will more than likely hear from this person at trial (IF he is alive and able to testify).
 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 07:06:16 PM
what i dont get is didnt Casey think anyone would find out about Caylee? what did she think would happen once she went home or her parents made contact with her what was she going to say

My theory is she wasn't going home. I think that was the purpose of calling/texting Mark Hawkins in Califonia all of a sudden. I think she was heading out there with Amy's resume,ID and other things. She had already printed a copy of her resume, so all she needed was to steal her DL for an ID and she was no longer KC to get on a plane. There was something about someone else's ID in her billfold the night the police came. I never did find out whose that was.

She told someone she was renting a car, but of course we know she couldn't because she only had Cindy's credit cards, and they won't rent you a car if the card is in someone else's name. She evidently didn't know that.  She had spent the money she had earlier stolen on clothes, so she needed to steal some more money or she would have already been gone hence, hanging out with the crowd and at the night clubs. I bet there had been a lot of stolen money at the clubs if the truth was known since she had been there. Her only way to get money at this point was at the clubs, so she was stuck at Tony's until she got enough. That is why she got caught by her mother. If she had not been caught, she would have gone to California and told her parents Caylee was with her and told Mark she was with her parents.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 07:06:27 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you. I have looked for that everywhere and could not find it. I knew I read it.
here isa pdf link of Jesse Grunds Affidavit re the Fight before Caylee goes missing that cindy choked casey
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0408/19129428.pdf


So I get this straight, Kc told Jesse that Cindy choked her.
Edit-add missing quote bracket.  MB
Think Kc was lying.  Make the story more interesting, since there was a fight.  Kc seems to make her stories bigger and bigger.
If anything, bet Kc was trying to choke Cindy.  
We'll never know the whole true.

 ::MonkeyBike::
Sorry , no it actually is a statement re the choking incidence that LEE told Jesse about, he says LEE says it happened b4 Casey stopped comin over mud June.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 07:09:47 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 07:11:24 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.

Casey was on the desktop between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM on the morning of June 16, 2008.  Where was the desktop?

Janet

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The Murder trial of Casey Anthony: Timeline and Evidence
Updated 10/19/09


<snipped>

7:00-9:00 am high user activity on desktop
7:45 am Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail
9:00-10:00 am no activity on HP desktop

<snipped>

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TexasBarMom on June 12, 2011, 07:11:43 PM

well, except that, by all accounts, Casey and JP did not meet until spring of 2008. 
I am remembering that LE released a statement in the fall of 2008 stating that they knew the identity of Caylee's father and that it was not relevant to the case, and would say no more on the subject. 

ummmm do you have a link for that? I do not remember ever hearing that....and I think that might be something I would remember. In the opening statement Jeff said the state did NOT know the identify of Caylee's father.
No, I don't have a link, been too long, just one of those things that stuck in my memory at the time because there was a lot of discussion re: who's the daddy. IIRC I read it on either the orlando sentinal or myfoxorlando....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 07:18:33 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.

Records indicate that Casey was on the desktop from 1:00 PM - 3:00 PM on the afternoon of June 16, 2008. Where is the desktop located?

Janet

++++



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 07:19:07 PM
Just one more point I want to make.

If Cindy had called 911 on July 2 instead of sending Lee out to look for Casey and Caylee what would she have said to get LE to help her? 
Casey was 22 years old. 

They would not have put out an APB on her and the car simply because her Mom was worried because her daughter was lying to her abut her where abouts, would not let her speak to or see her grandchild and she wanted her car back..which she allowed her to use.

What would she have said to get LE's attention at that point..nothing..that is why grandparents go to court everyday in this country to try to get custody of grandchildren they feel are at risk.  That's why the counselor had advised her to go to court to get custody...because she wasn't Caylee's parent and as such had really no rights to know anything about Caylee that her daughter didn't want to disclose.

She wasn't even getting a reaction from LE on the 15th of July when she called the first two times about her car ..not until she mentioned she found the car, it smelled like a dead body was in there and that she found her daughter and still no Caylee. 

I am not taking up for them..I can't stand them or the way they handled this situation...but prior to July 15th there was absolutely nothing they could do to get LE involved.

The fact is Casey did this on her own and did not confide the details to anyone..not her family..and obviously not her defense team or they would not have come up with the half baked opening statement that they did.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 07:20:17 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.
DUH....Then there are 3 hours of silence.     My Bad.     This is what the defense if going to use for the time of Caylee's drowning and cover up by George, imo.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 12, 2011, 07:22:58 PM
Hi monkeys!
I don't know about all of you but since the trial started i am having nightmares..i wonder if the jurors are experienced the same ::boxingcasey2::

I haven't had any nightmares but I have had several dreams involving law enforcement, courtrooms, babies, relatives/friends in trouble, etc...things I don't normally dream about.  No doubt these dreams are due to daily exposure of this case since it went to trial.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 07:26:35 PM
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2011/06/casey-anthony-jail-records-show-she-got-medication-at-end-of-jury-selection/
Casey Anthony Jail Records Show She Got Medication At End Of Jury Selection
06/10/2011

Unfortunately it doesn't say what kind of medicine, for what. It could have been antibiotics...Ann Finnell could have infected her as well as Jeff.  but I am so glad it clearly states SHE IS NOT ON MEDICATION NOW.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: MuffyBee on June 12, 2011, 07:29:51 PM
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-06-11/justice/casey.anthony.weekly.wrap_1_caylee-casey-anthony-george-anthony?_s=PM:CRIME
Duct Tape
Week 3: Caylee's death is presented in vivid, graphic detail
June 11, 2011


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 07:32:22 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you Carpe.

Jean Couty's deposition affirms Lee's words to Tony regarding a dispute between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.

Cindy claimed in court testimony that the evening of June 15, 2008 was a special evening with Casey and Caylee.  It was a bonding time.

It is said that lies are created to cover up the truth.  Why was Cindy willing to lie under oath regarding the fight with Casey.  What truth was she attempting to covering up?

Janet

Actually, Mr. Couty said he witnessed 2 arguments, both occurred on weekends. The first one he thought was at the end of May and when further questioned about the second onem he thought it was about a month before the police activity started at the Anthony's. He also stated that he didn't want to say anything that he could not confirm.   

So we still don't know if a fight occurred on June 15 or not, by his account.  We are still assuming and until Lee or Cindy testifies it did happen, that's all we can do at this point. 

Several pages back  I posted a link to Casey's cell phone pings, which show where she was on the night of the 15th.  She had no phone activity for 38 minutes from 9:26:59 - 10:05:55.   This could account for the time the fight occurred, but it would be a little late for Mr. Couey to be out doing yard work.  He also stated that Casey left in her car alone.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 12, 2011, 07:32:37 PM
We know Cindy, George and Lee turned a blind eye and made excuses for Casey

We suspect Cindy, George and Lee were less than honest about some things to protect Casey

We know that Cindy and George loved Caylee with all there heart and there is ZERO evidence that George ever harmed Caylee or Casey.

We know Casey is a spiteful bitch and is the only one capable of harming Caylee.  Casey may be bipolar or split personality (Casey = Zanny) or may simply be a spoiled monster but in the end, we know she is the guilty party and knew exactly what she was doing.




ITA KLAAS!

The investigation would not have gone any more quickly despite what the A's did or did not do.  LE knew the A's were not being completely truthful fairly early in the investigation..by early to mid August.  But I don't believe that hindered the early days of the investigation because no one knew what happened to Caylee nor where she was..only Casey knew that..and there was never any confession to the family of that info.

They did not know for certain what Casey had done with Caylee..I imagine at the beginning the family felt she had either sold her or left her with someone to spite Cindy..remember the.. I am just a spiteful bitch.. comment to Lee.

The only time they may have had any info LE did not have was when Dom Casey was poking in the woods on Suburban Dr.

I always thought that info was garnered from Jose..or maybe they had access to the tips that were called in and came across Kronk's tip.   But that info Dom had may not have been shared with the rest of the family at that point..although I always felt that Lee was on the other end of that phone call with Dom.

The rest of the time they were, in my opinion, in denial and cover-up for Casey..they did not want to believe that she had done something like murder Caylee..and most grandparents would hold out hope, no matter what, that their grandchild was still alive.

The case could have only been solved earlier then it was by one person..and that person still has not spoken the truth to this day..that is CASEY.

Another  point is the fact that had the State arrested the grandparents that would not have accomplished anything other then a distraction from the real culprit..Casey.  And infact, I believe it would have garnered some sympathy from the general public for the grieving grands.

All in all..I am the person who said when I heard George and Cindy had tried to copyright Caylee's name and the Justice for Caylee that they had turned a corner and were in the State's playbook now.   We did not know why then..this was 2 weeks before Baez opening statement..but for whatever reason they are doing what needs to be done now..and that is all I am concerned with..justice for Caylee and Casey's conviction.

To continue to berate the family is exactly what the defense wants.  I said that many times before too.  And that has come to fruition....everytime someone berates George or Cindy or Lee it is a small reprieve for Casey..and damned if the defense isn't using it that way.

I saw this coming when Finnell came on board and announced in court she couldn't give away her evidence because someone was going to be arrested.  She was wrong then and she would be wrong now..Casey is a liar..and no one believes anything she has had to say yet in this past 3 years..why would anyone start believing her now when she still has not told the truth about what happened to Caylee and how her body got in her trunk, how she abandoned the car and how Caylee landed in the woods on Suburban Dr? 


George and Cindy are not my favorite people..but I will not try to hang them when the person that needs to be hung is sitting in the courtroom and on trial.  I did go after them big time for the money scams, the innocence tour, and the constant sham to protect Casey..but they are testifying truthfully for the State..and in the end that's what matters the most to me...that when the chips are down they are coming around to Caylee's side of the room.

I completely expect them to beg for mercy in sparing Casey's life..what parent wouldn't?

I do not expect you will hear them beg for her not to be incarcerated for this crime....believe me..I doubt they want her out and running free to kill again.
 


great post ...I am with you on most of this...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: _icey_ on June 12, 2011, 07:33:31 PM
Hi monkeys!
I don't know about all of you but since the trial started i am having nightmares..i wonder if the jurors are experienced the same ::boxingcasey2::

I haven't had any nightmares but I have had several dreams involving law enforcement, courtrooms, babies, relatives/friends in trouble, etc...things I don't normally dream about.  No doubt these dreams are due to daily exposure of this case since it went to trial.

Then you can imagine what some of the jurors must be experiencing::MonkeyNoNo:
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: tupelohoney on June 12, 2011, 07:34:37 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.

Records indicate that Casey was on the desktop from 1:00 PM - 3:00 PM on the afternoon of June 16, 2008. Where is the desktop located?

Janet

++++


In the computer room, which is next to Casey's bedroom on the front of the house....computer room is in the far right corner when facing the front of the house.  I'll look for a floor plan image.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 07:35:08 PM
the thing is, if it's not documented, it didn't happen- re: choking.

Did Casey have any bruising or marks in any of the photos of her?

Like it's been stated before, Casey would have loved to take Cindy or George down with her.  If she filed a police report on the choking, Cindy would have been in jail.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: SunnyinTX on June 12, 2011, 07:37:50 PM

well, except that, by all accounts, Casey and JP did not meet until spring of 2008. 
I am remembering that LE released a statement in the fall of 2008 stating that they knew the identity of Caylee's father and that it was not relevant to the case, and would say no more on the subject. 

ummmm do you have a link for that? I do not remember ever hearing that....and I think that might be something I would remember. In the opening statement Jeff said the state did NOT know the identify of Caylee's father.

I remember Michael Baden talking about it. ::MonkeyRoll:: I won't believe anything unless it comes from the prosecution.
http://stephww.wordpress.com/2009/11/16/breaking-will-the-father-of-caylee-anthony-be-revealed-and-will-he-be-key-witness/
 ::snipping2::
Last night Linda Kenney Baden, one of Casey Anthony’s defense attorneys, joined me as a guest on my radio show. Also joining me was her husband — renowned forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden. Near the end of the show, I asked Linda a question that had been on my mind for a while about the Casey Anthony case. I wanted to know her thoughts on whether the defense team or prosecutors had an interest in who the father of little Caylee Anthony is? And, if so, would this person testify at trial? She paused and said, “That’s a question to ask the prosecutors.” Then Dr. Baden jumped in saying he could answer the question because he’s not involved in the case. He said they ABSOLUTLEY know who the father is, through forensics, and that we will more than likely hear from this person at trial (IF he is alive and able to testify).
 ::snipping2::

I knew Baden said it, I think LP also said the same thing......but I never heard anything like that from LE. and I wouldn't believe Baden or Padilla  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: MuffyBee on June 12, 2011, 07:40:03 PM
Hi monkeys!
I don't know about all of you but since the trial started i am having nightmares..i wonder if the jurors are experienced the same ::boxingcasey2::

I haven't had any nightmares but I have had several dreams involving law enforcement, courtrooms, babies, relatives/friends in trouble, etc...things I don't normally dream about.  No doubt these dreams are due to daily exposure of this case since it went to trial.

Then you can imagine what some of the jurors must be experiencing::MonkeyNoNo:
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Bumping this up so you don't miss it _icey_.  Muffy


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: numbersgirl on June 12, 2011, 07:40:56 PM
If CA choked KC on 6/15 causing KC to rage against Caylee, does that discount the claim of "premeditation" and move it more toward a claim of "crime of passion"?   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 07:43:07 PM

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

Turbo..all due respect, but I don't believe one person can make another person tell them anything they don't want to say..short of torture or threatening their life.  We aren't talking about Casey being a normal person ..we are talking about a very cunning lying sociopath who short of being throttled by her family or the cops was not going to..and even until this day with the DP staring her in the face..still has not told the truth.

When Casey first was released from jail George started to go at her and was held back by his friend from Ohio.  It has been stated by you, that Cindy went after Casey the night of the 15th.  Once  LE were called, either of her parents laying a finger on her would have been grounds for their arrest for battery and assualt.  And personally..she would have loved that..and still would not have told the truth.

And can someone kindly point out to me how anything GA and CA said stopped LE from getting the truth out of Casey?  

Do you honestly believe that George and Cindy were in on this somehow and knew what Casey had done and where Caylee was from the beginning/  Because unless you do the fact of anything they said having anything to do with finding Caylee makes no sense.


I don't believe they knew where she was, but they knew she was what they smelled in that car. They KNEW to call the police when they smelled that car. Instead they "hid" it in their garage. Does that make any sense to you? Put a car the reeked of decomp inside your garage? They said they took the battery out of it to keep KC from taking it, why not do that OUTSIDE? If they really didn't know it was decomp they would have left it outside to air out, not put it in their garage where they could HIDE what they took out of it and clean it all out without any of the neighbors seeing them do it. What were they hiding? Did they think KC killed someone else? I never have figured out what Lee meant when he said "is this like the last time?"

They knew they had a daughter who lied every time her mouth moved but yet Cindy asks her "What have you done?" like she would tell her the truth. Then Cindy says BEFORE anything has been said about a kidnapping "Who took her?"

Grab this scenario - when the police arrive Cindy & George tell them the truth about there was no zanny and not make up lies that they had phone books with her numbers - they knew there wasn't they had never seen her or talked to her. George knew KC wasn't working so why not tell that? He said that in his depo.  Why not tel theml KC lied about everything so they should not allow her to leave until she told them the truth? Why not tell them the blankets were gone off Caylee's bed and so was other things from the house. Why not George tell the truth about the last time he saw them which most likely was days before. Why lie about seeing them the 16th when they were calling KC from their house at 7:45 in the morning?  Why all the lies and the anger at people when they asked questions about KC on TV? Why not just say she is a lying witch and we don't know what to believe because all that is out there now. Did they really think they could get her off from killing Caylee? Why even try to bond her out of jail? Mine would have sat there if the bond was 100.00. WHY in the world let her come to their house and take over while out on bond? NO ONE confronted her about where Caylee was according to all the witnesses. When send the police on wild goose chases insinuating other people like Jesse did it? Why give LE the wrong toothbrush and hairbrush and then laugh about it? A DEAD CAYLEE WAS NO LAUGHING MATTER, but did Cindy really want her found - H*ll no............they wanted to continue to run their scams and buy bass boats instead of hunting her.

If I were Cindy I would have acquired some thiopental sodium from my office and used it on KC to find out where my granddaughter was "IF" I really believed she was missing.

I just see them as willing participants in the whole thing because they were collecting thousands of dollars in money and gifts and instead of telling the truth they continued the LIES to not only LE but to the nation on national TV to cover for KC and promote their foundation which they used for income. Cindy no more needs to be on disability than I do, but she is claiming disability and WE THE TAXPAYERS are paying it for her just like we are paying for this stupid farce of a trial. I hope their few minutes of face time on TV to promote themselves will be the end of them when this trial is over, but I am sure they will figure out another scheme to make BLOOD MONEY off that poor baby. The need to both be locked up in a mental ward for the rest of their lives for the damage they have done to many people in this because if they are not just mean, they are definitely MENTAL.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 07:45:06 PM
Jean Couty depo - the neighbor that heard the Anthony fight.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5688720/Casey-Anthony-Neighbor-Jean-Couty-transcript

Thank you Carpe.

Jean Couty's deposition affirms Lee's words to Tony regarding a dispute between Cindy and Casey on the evening of June 15, 2008.

Cindy claimed in court testimony that the evening of June 15, 2008 was a special evening with Casey and Caylee.  It was a bonding time.

It is said that lies are created to cover up the truth.  Why was Cindy willing to lie under oath regarding the fight with Casey.  What truth was she attempting to covering up?

Janet

Actually, Mr. Couty said he witnessed 2 arguments, both occurred on weekends. The first one he thought was at the end of May and when further questioned about the second onem he thought it was about a month before the police activity started at the Anthony's. He also stated that he didn't want to say anything that he could not confirm.   

So we still don't know if a fight occurred on June 15 or not, by his account.  We are still assuming and until Lee or Cindy testifies it did happen, that's all we can do at this point. 

Several pages back  I posted a link to Casey's cell phone pings, which show where she was on the night of the 15th.  She had no phone activity for 38 minutes from 9:26:59 - 10:05:55.   This could account for the time the fight occurred, but it would be a little late for Mr. Couey to be out doing yard work.  He also stated that Casey left in her car alone.

 ::rhino:: ::rhino::

Right..I remember there was speculation there was also an argument the weekend prior between Casey and Cindy...which many people thought was why they had the wrong dates initially.

But I think that the argument may come into the picture if they put Shirley on the stand to testify about notifying Cindy about the checks missing from Mr Pleasa's account to be used for the nursing home.  Cindy could say they argued and give the reason..but Jose will object as heresay to the check business part of it unless Mrs Pleasa has already testified to the check theft herself. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 07:48:43 PM
If CA choked KC on 6/15 causing KC to rage against Caylee, does that discount the claim of "premeditation" and move it more toward a claim of "crime of passion"?   ::MonkeyEek::

Could - it could also mean she just killed her earlier than planned. My thoughts have been that she was going to do away with GA & CA first because she kept telling everyone she was moving in their house and they were moving out, then Caylee if necessary. It might not have been necessary to do away with Caylee if Cindy was dead and the child was not telling Cindy what was going on.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 12, 2011, 07:50:07 PM
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

She makes me sick as well, but I can (sort of) see how one might, as I personally feel just a micro-tad sorry for anyone who has commited a crime due to mental instability or personality disorders.  In Casey's case it would seem that she's definitely affected by some disorder (bi-polar perhaps?) and so my only sympathy is that she didn't get professional medical help and as a result she committed a horrible crime and destroyed the lives of many.  To be clear:  I DO NOT like CA.  I don't feel sorry for her because she's on trial, or that she's been in jail or that she will be in prison for life.  But I do sympathize for the fact that she's messed up in the head, as no one asks for that affliction.  And I sympathize for the fact that (to my knowledge) she never sought help for the obvious mental disorder that brought this whole thing about.  If only she had consulted a doctor about her mental illness/personality disorder.  If only someone had said, "Hey, you're mentally unstable and I think you need help!" -- IF ONLY!...then precious little Caylee would still be alive.

(I sure hope I explained that correctly, as I don't want anyone here to think that I am pro-Casey.  I'm not.  It's just that I always look at everything from both sides and simply wanted to offer another viewpoint.)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 07:54:06 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.

The problem with that is that vacant house and Lee's house all ping off the same towers, so she may never have been at the Anthony's house at all that day until George left.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 07:54:22 PM

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

Turbo..all due respect, but I don't believe one person can make another person tell them anything they don't want to say..short of torture or threatening their life.  We aren't talking about Casey being a normal person ..we are talking about a very cunning lying sociopath who short of being throttled by her family or the cops was not going to..and even until this day with the DP staring her in the face..still has not told the truth.

When Casey first was released from jail George started to go at her and was held back by his friend from Ohio.  It has been stated by you, that Cindy went after Casey the night of the 15th.  Once  LE were called, either of her parents laying a finger on her would have been grounds for their arrest for battery and assualt.  And personally..she would have loved that..and still would not have told the truth.

And can someone kindly point out to me how anything GA and CA said stopped LE from getting the truth out of Casey?  

Do you honestly believe that George and Cindy were in on this somehow and knew what Casey had done and where Caylee was from the beginning/  Because unless you do the fact of anything they said having anything to do with finding Caylee makes no sense.


I don't believe they knew where she was, but they knew she was what they smelled in that car. They KNEW to call the police when they smelled that car. Instead they "hid" it in their garage. Does that make any sense to you? Put a car the reeked of decomp inside your garage? They said they took the battery out of it to keep KC from taking it, why not do that OUTSIDE? If they really didn't know it was decomp they would have left it outside to air out, not put it in their garage where they could HIDE what they took out of it and clean it all out without any of the neighbors seeing them do it. What were they hiding? Did they think KC killed someone else? I never have figured out what Lee meant when he said "is this like the last time?"

They knew they had a daughter who lied every time her mouth moved but yet Cindy asks her "What have you done?" like she would tell her the truth. Then Cindy says BEFORE anything has been said about a kidnapping "Who took her?"

Grab this scenario - when the police arrive Cindy & George tell them the truth about there was no zanny and not make up lies that they had phone books with her numbers - they knew there wasn't they had never seen her or talked to her. George knew KC wasn't working so why not tell that? He said that in his depo.  Why not tel theml KC lied about everything so they should not allow her to leave until she told them the truth? Why not tell them the blankets were gone off Caylee's bed and so was other things from the house. Why not George tell the truth about the last time he saw them which most likely was days before. Why lie about seeing them the 16th when they were calling KC from their house at 7:45 in the morning?  Why all the lies and the anger at people when they asked questions about KC on TV? Why not just say she is a lying witch and we don't know what to believe because all that is out there now. Did they really think they could get her off from killing Caylee? Why even try to bond her out of jail? Mine would have sat there if the bond was 100.00. WHY in the world let her come to their house and take over while out on bond? NO ONE confronted her about where Caylee was according to all the witnesses. When send the police on wild goose chases insinuating other people like Jesse did it? Why give LE the wrong toothbrush and hairbrush and then laugh about it? A DEAD CAYLEE WAS NO LAUGHING MATTER, but did Cindy really want her found - H*ll no............they wanted to continue to run their scams and buy bass boats instead of hunting her.

If I were Cindy I would have acquired some thiopental sodium from my office and used it on KC to find out where my granddaughter was "IF" I really believed she was missing.

I just see them as willing participants in the whole thing because they were collecting thousands of dollars in money and gifts and instead of telling the truth they continued the LIES to not only LE but to the nation on national TV to cover for KC and promote their foundation which they used for income. Cindy no more needs to be on disability than I do, but she is claiming disability and WE THE TAXPAYERS are paying it for her just like we are paying for this stupid farce of a trial. I hope their few minutes of face time on TV to promote themselves will be the end of them when this trial is over, but I am sure they will figure out another scheme to make BLOOD MONEY off that poor baby. The need to both be locked up in a mental ward for the rest of their lives for the damage they have done to many people in this because if they are not just mean, they are definitely MENTAL.

And I agree with the part that they lied...I agree they could have been more forthcoming...I agree that they used the media and the public..and they are beyond odious.

I do not agree that it would have changed the course of the investigation or helped find Caylee's body any sooner.  Except in the case of if Dom Casey had found the body in November..if he had..I think that Cindy and George would have reported the find..but just as Jose is doing now, pointed the finger elsewhere.

I do not believe for one second LE allowed them to change the course of the investigation because they knew they were lying.




Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

She makes me sick as well, but I can (sort of) see how one might, as I personally feel just a micro-tad sorry for anyone who has commited a crime due to mental instability or personality disorders.  In Casey's case it would seem that she's definitely affected by some disorder (bi-polar perhaps?) and so my only sympathy is that she didn't get professional medical help and as a result she committed a horrible crime and destroyed the lives of many.  To be clear:  I DO NOT like CA.  I don't feel sorry for her because she's on trial, or that she's been in jail or that she will be in prison for life.  But I do sympathize for the fact that she's messed up in the head, as no one asks for that affliction.  And I sympathize for the fact that (to my knowledge) she never sought help for the obvious mental disorder that brought this whole thing about.  If only she had consulted a doctor about her mental illness/personality disorder.  If only someone had said, "Hey, you're mentally unstable and I think you need help!" -- IF ONLY!...then precious little Caylee would still be alive.

(I sure hope I explained that correctly, as I don't want anyone here to think that I am pro-Casey.  I'm not.  It's just that I always look at everything from both sides and simply wanted to offer another viewpoint.)

George told Jesse that she had some mental problems long before Caylee was killed. It was the night Jesse called the ambulance for her having the seizures at his house. I still think meth, but so far that medical report has not been released. Maybe it will when he testifies.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: numbersgirl on June 12, 2011, 08:00:39 PM
If CA choked KC on 6/15 causing KC to rage against Caylee, does that discount the claim of "premeditation" and move it more toward a claim of "crime of passion"?   ::MonkeyEek::

Could - it could also mean she just killed her earlier than planned. My thoughts have been that she was going to do away with GA & CA first because she kept telling everyone she was moving in their house and they were moving out, then Caylee if necessary. It might not have been necessary to do away with Caylee if Cindy was dead and the child was not telling Cindy what was going on.

ITA, Turbo.  I've always thought her internet searches were about killing her parents, not her daughter.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Tamikosmom on June 12, 2011, 08:03:18 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.

Records indicate that Casey was on the desktop from 1:00 PM - 3:00 PM on the afternoon of June 16, 2008. Where is the desktop located?

Janet

++++


In the computer room, which is next to Casey's bedroom on the front of the house....computer room is in the far right corner when facing the front of the house.  I'll look for a floor plan image.

Thanks.

The implication is that Casey did not leave the house at 1:00 PM as George claimed.

Janet

+++

Exclusive: Grandparents of Missing Toddler 'On the Record'
Wednesday, August 06, 2008


<snipped>

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So the 15th is Sunday, Father's Day. Everything's normal, everything's fine. The next morning is the last day that either you or George saw her. Do you remember about what time of day it was?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, specifically. I remember it was 10 minutes to 1:00 on Monday the 16th.

<snipped>

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html


The Murder trial of Casey Anthony: Timeline and Evidence
Updated 10/19/09

Timeline for June 16 to June 20 2008


<snipped>

7:00-9:00 am high user activity on desktop
 
9:00-10:00 am no activity on HP desktop
 
10:00-noon high user activity on desktop

12:00 noon-1:00 pm no activity on HP desktop.  No activity on laptop.
 
1:00-3:00 pm high user activity on desktop.

3:00-4:00 pm no activity on laptop.
 
3:00-11:00 pm no activity on HP desktop.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread431159/pg1


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 12, 2011, 08:06:34 PM
the thing is, if it's not documented, it didn't happen- re: choking.

Did Casey have any bruising or marks in any of the photos of her?

Like it's been stated before, Casey would have loved to take Cindy or George down with her.  If she filed a police report on the choking, Cindy would have been in jail.

love your avvi...


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 08:10:32 PM

And I agree with the part that they lied...I agree they could have been more forthcoming...I agree that they used the media and the public..and they are beyond odious.

I do not agree that it would have changed the course of the investigation or helped find Caylee's body any sooner.  Except in the case of if Dom Casey had found the body in November..if he had..I think that Cindy and George would have reported the find..but just as Jose is doing now, pointed the finger elsewhere.

I do not believe for one second LE allowed them to change the course of the investigation because they knew they were lying.


It may not have changed the investigation but all the wild goose chases they sent LE on had to delay the investigations and cost taxpayers a lot of money. The one thing I do know is Caylee might have still been alive if they had held KC accountable for all the lies from the beginning and not let her hold them and that baby hostage. When George found the stolen 4000+ dollars KC stole on his car sale, he should never have let Cindy take it over and done nothing. If they had her arrested ANY of the times she stole from them, she have been rehabilitated by now and they would have had Caylee alive. Cindy was never serious about taking Caylee or she would have had KC arrested years ago and taken her.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cookie on June 12, 2011, 08:13:02 PM
Good morning everyone :) , I don't post much but I have been trying to figure out who Caylee's father is since this all started. I have had several theories in the past but when I saw Jeff Hopkins on the stand the other day it just amazed me how much she kind of favors him. Did any of you insightful monkeys have the same thoughts?

 I agree she killed Caylee the night (June 16th) she and her mom had the big fight. Has anyone heard that she told her mother that night she would never see Caylee again? A caller on NG mentioned it but I had not heard that before. I do believe that she killed Caylee to get back at her mother.

I don't really see the resemblance

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2469/5824571043_74f29e6774_o.jpg)

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZ7xYcsAKtTfA3EBUekv3McsE65U-mx6M7y-ayQ3pyw1cV6zKO&t=1)
If Caylee resembled any of KC's friends, it was JP Chatt.   

(http://humbleopinion.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/jpccma.jpg)

 He was always the one I thought could be but Amy said he didn't like Casey
I started a thread who's the daddy three years ago under the Casey Anthony stuff

JP does look like Caylee!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: carpe noctem on June 12, 2011, 08:13:05 PM
How could anyone not think that destruction of evidence would hinder law enforcement and cost investigators more valuable time?

This would lengthen the investigation, would it not? It certainly didn't help.

I guess it would it all depend on if you think Cindy & George were in denial... or if they lied.

I pick lied... nobody could be so stupid as many times in a row as they have.

I think they will burn in hell for what they have done. (they already live in it, actually)

History will be most unkind to all of them.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 12, 2011, 08:14:47 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


 ::rhino:: there is no reasonable doubt in this case at all. the jury are instructed to not leave their common sense at the door

There shouldn't be, but there might be, based on this:

(BBM)
None of us know exactly how, when, where or using what measures Casey murdered Caylee.

We know she is responsible.

We know duct tape was involved.

We know choloform was in the trunk air in ridiculous levels.

We know Caylee's body was in the trunk.

We know the little body was found in the woods on Suburban DR after being there for many months.


Despite not having a smoking gun, I think the prosecution is doing an amazing job and I feel confident that the jury will convict.  They'd have to be idiots not to!  So what if the evidence is circumstantial?  Everything points to CA.  EVERYTHING.  And what's sickening to watch that "hopeful" look CA occasionally gets on her face, like she seriously thinks she may get away with what she did.  Sorry, girl...you're going to have to pay.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 08:18:52 PM
If CA choked KC on 6/15 causing KC to rage against Caylee, does that discount the claim of "premeditation" and move it more toward a claim of "crime of passion"?   ::MonkeyEek::

Could - it could also mean she just killed her earlier than planned. My thoughts have been that she was going to do away with GA & CA first because she kept telling everyone she was moving in their house and they were moving out, then Caylee if necessary. It might not have been necessary to do away with Caylee if Cindy was dead and the child was not telling Cindy what was going on.

No it can not ever be called a crime of passion in tis case ..no matter if the argument was ten minutes before.

Crimes of passion are considered to happen instantly..no time lag.

Once there is a time lag ..then it is considered premeditated..as in they had time to consider doing it, then did it..and that time can be very short.  In a crime of passion it happens instantly with to time to think, no time to consider the outcome, no time cool off.  It has been said that premeditation can take as short of a time as less then a minute..meaning in a minute you know what you are about to do and have time to think you are going to do it..not an action without thinking.

This time lag is months long..between the time she considered murdering someone (March)..the computer searches..and the time she murdered Caylee (June). 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 08:28:20 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


 ::rhino:: there is no reasonable doubt in this case at all. the jury are instructed to not leave their common sense at the door

There shouldn't be, but there might be, based on this:

(BBM)
None of us know exactly how, when, where or using what measures Casey murdered Caylee.

We know she is responsible.

We know duct tape was involved.

We know choloform was in the trunk air in ridiculous levels.

We know Caylee's body was in the trunk.

We know the little body was found in the woods on Suburban DR after being there for many months.


Despite not having a smoking gun, I think the prosecution is doing an amazing job and I feel confident that the jury will convict.  They'd have to be idiots not to!  So what if the evidence is circumstantial?  Everything points to CA.  EVERYTHING.  And what's sickening to watch that "hopeful" look CA occasionally gets on her face, like she seriously thinks she may get away with what she did.  Sorry, girl...you're going to have to pay.

None of the things I listed point to reasonable doubt to me at all.  They point to a planned murder that took place..and the disposal which appears to have taken place days later. 

Plenty of the time had passed for the murdering party to have fussed up to an accident and taken her punishment if that would have been the case. 

The jury will not doubt that Casey did this...they may not know how..but I don't believe they will be left with any doubt that she is guilty.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Gypsy DD on June 12, 2011, 08:41:42 PM
How could anyone not think that destruction of evidence would hinder law enforcement and cost investigators more valuable time?

This would lengthen the investigation, would it not? It certainly didn't help.

I guess it would it all depend on if you think Cindy & George were in denial... or if they lied.

I pick lied... nobody could be so stupid as many times in a row as they have.

I think they will burn in hell for what they have done. (they already live in it, actually)

History will be most unkind to all of them.




I think that LE knowing what they were up against with the A's made sure they didn't hinder the investigation...and LE was a lot smarter then the A's.

The only evidence I know of they destroyed was the cleaning of the car..and I do think that was denial at first.  And everyone knows you can't wash away what they were trying to wash away...Cindy would have known that.

The hairbrush incident was useless..because of course LE was going to examine all the hairs they found on that brush for a sample of Caylee's..not just one..so LE knew that other family members used that hairbrush as well.  Just like they knew the one trunk hair with the rootband belonged to Caylee..a female family member..Caylee being the only one not deceased.

I think they are living in hell now..and the rest of their lives..living without the grandchild they adored.  Knowing that their daughter did this, by herself..no accident..no help...and that she will more then likely be put to death or spend the rest of her days in prison.

But do I think they have learned anything about how odious we find them making money off Caylee's death..no I don't think they realize that part yet.  I believe Cindy will write a book of her own..I don't think she gets it yet how odious they appear in that respect. 


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: islandmonkey on June 12, 2011, 08:42:30 PM

 Her gig was up with all the lies about work and her next plan had not kicked in like she had envisioned, so she was caught between a rock and a hard spot with not only her parents but Tony. Poor little Caylee got the brunt of her rage.



Who was that guy, I want to say Mark something or another.

He b/s'ed the wife about school, and they were going to move and he shot her- bought a new mattress.  They searched the dump looking for her.  I think she worked in a bank.

It was Mark Hacking.
6 years to life he received.  Some justice.

My memory may be rusty but from what I remember I thought he confessed to his brother about what he did and where he dumped her and the brother told the LE, and did he have a full blown trial or just plead guilty? I could be way off but I thought when he told his brother it was so it would knowingly be passed to LE so they could find her body, Casey early on could have gotten a deal if she had led them to Caylee before she completely decomposed. Is it justice IMO, not really but when one is faced as a parent of loved one of possibly never recovering the remains, I guess you make deals you wouldn't otherwise make just for some sense of finality and to give the loved one a proper burial ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: slowsouthernrain on June 12, 2011, 08:43:41 PM
June 16, 2008

7:45 am Call from Anthony home leaves voicemail on KC's cell
7:45 am KC calls voicemail

This tells us that KC was not at home and either Cindy or George was trying to get in touch with her at that time.

Just food for thought, sometimes one of my sons will be just in another room and will call me on my cell, with me sitting in the next room.  Silly, I know, but happens sometimes.  Maybe these calls on the morning of the 16th could be something along these lines.  So many questions, and this piece of work devil will never tell the truth.  I pray to God this precious child receives the justice she deserves.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/32280682/Casey-Anthonys-ATandT-Cell-Phone-Pings   page 16

Maybe she wasn't.  If you look at the pings, they are all from the same place, except those 2 calls. Info has been removed from the chart, but the last column has different numbers under E164.  Now we know that Cindy called her and then Casey retrieved the message.  Both those calls show the same number under E164.  The next call after that is at 8:46:34, then 11:43:12 and those are made from the house and she is on the phone almost continuously. The ping numbers remain the same until 2:11:45.

So it appears that Casey did not leave the house until just after 2:00.

There is one hour of silence that morning.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: slowsouthernrain on June 12, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Boy, I sure messed up that post.  Sorry.  Still new at the quote thing.  Will try to do better...lol


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 08:52:52 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 08:54:18 PM
what i dont get is didnt Casey think anyone would find out about Caylee? what did she think would happen once she went home or her parents made contact with her what was she going to say
maybe she planed to hook up with tony-never see her parents-tell tony Caylee is living with her parents  now --something along those lines --after all I am not KC I spin a tale like the evil one can--for that matter no can lie like KC -we have to give the devil her due if it wasnt for cindy calling the cops -not a person in the world would have know Caylee was missing


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 09:05:45 PM
IBE,
why do you have sympathy for Kc?  I'm just wondering, because I can't manage any at all.  She justs makes me sick.

She makes me sick as well, but I can (sort of) see how one might, as I personally feel just a micro-tad sorry for anyone who has commited a crime due to mental instability or personality disorders.  In Casey's case it would seem that she's definitely affected by some disorder (bi-polar perhaps?) and so my only sympathy is that she didn't get professional medical help and as a result she committed a horrible crime and destroyed the lives of many.  To be clear:  I DO NOT like CA.  I don't feel sorry for her because she's on trial, or that she's been in jail or that she will be in prison for life.  But I do sympathize for the fact that she's messed up in the head, as no one asks for that affliction.  And I sympathize for the fact that (to my knowledge) she never sought help for the obvious mental disorder that brought this whole thing about.  If only she had consulted a doctor about her mental illness/personality disorder.  If only someone had said, "Hey, you're mentally unstable and I think you need help!" -- IF ONLY!...then precious little Caylee would still be alive.

(I sure hope I explained that correctly, as I don't want anyone here to think that I am pro-Casey.  I'm not.  It's just that I always look at everything from both sides and simply wanted to offer another viewpoint.)
Well If you look at that way--everyone who kills a child -or for that matter anyone-has a mental disorder-if she took a plea and came forward told what happened-I might go for a lighter sentence-but what does she do-destroys everyone who ever loved her- she is just evil


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 09:12:18 PM
If CA choked KC on 6/15 causing KC to rage against Caylee, does that discount the claim of "premeditation" and move it more toward a claim of "crime of passion"?   ::MonkeyEek::
In bozo world it does ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 09:15:14 PM
If CA choked KC on 6/15 causing KC to rage against Caylee, does that discount the claim of "premeditation" and move it more toward a claim of "crime of passion"?   ::MonkeyEek::

Could - it could also mean she just killed her earlier than planned. My thoughts have been that she was going to do away with GA & CA first because she kept telling everyone she was moving in their house and they were moving out, then Caylee if necessary. It might not have been necessary to do away with Caylee if Cindy was dead and the child was not telling Cindy what was going on.

ITA, Turbo.  I've always thought her internet searches were about killing her parents, not her daughter.   ::MonkeyCool::
well she is killing Goerge now


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 09:18:42 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 12, 2011, 09:21:09 PM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



I agree he doesn't have alot to work with but he shot himself in the foot be going overboard in his OS.  He should have just said it was an accident instead of throwing in George took the body & it somehow ended up with Kronk who stored it until he could hide it at just the right time to get the reward money.  Good grief.  If he would have said accident, Post traumatic stress etc he may have at least saved her life.  Now?  not so much!

I agree. But he seems to be keying in on the duct tape and he is going to say only George had it and he got rid of roll.  Hence why he kept asking the CSI guy today about after all their searching in Dec. NO DUCT TAPE was found.  Maybe he gave it to Kronk to but on sweet little Caylee and Kronk got rid of it.

Do anyone remember, or have a theory as to how many days Casey actually drove that car with the stench of her child's decomposing body? I was just wondering about that.



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: cherjers on June 12, 2011, 09:23:34 PM
Good Night Monkey--see you all in court tommorow- Hpw sad we will watch this trial hang on every word and when all is said and done--We will never know what happened to that poor child ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: DonFL on June 12, 2011, 09:23:41 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

http://thesop.org/story/20110612/great-job-analyzing-the-casey-anthony-trial.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 12, 2011, 09:26:11 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/12/florida.anthony.trial.crowd/
Casey Anthony's trial is one hot ticket
By Ann O'Neill, CNN
June 12, 2011 2:49 a.m. EDT


Video at link.
Orlando, Florida (CNN) -- Casey Anthony, also known as the "tot mom," is no Lady Gaga, but her murder trial here is the hottest ticket in town.

People spend the night waiting in line for one of 50 courtroom seats reserved for the public. Tempers flare and police are called. And then, once they're given a ticket, they stampede like cattle.

Only in Florida, where criminal justice can be a spectator sport, are Disney World passes the back-up option.

Anthony, a 25-year-old high school dropout, is accused of capital murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee. If convicted of murder, she faces the death penalty.

What's the big draw?
 ::snipping2::

The big draw is justice for Caylee  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 09:31:18 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/06/12/florida.anthony.trial.crowd/
Casey Anthony's trial is one hot ticket
By Ann O'Neill, CNN
June 12, 2011 2:49 a.m. EDT


Video at link.
Orlando, Florida (CNN) -- Casey Anthony, also known as the "tot mom," is no Lady Gaga, but her murder trial here is the hottest ticket in town.

People spend the night waiting in line for one of 50 courtroom seats reserved for the public. Tempers flare and police are called. And then, once they're given a ticket, they stampede like cattle.

Only in Florida, where criminal justice can be a spectator sport, are Disney World passes the back-up option.

Anthony, a 25-year-old high school dropout, is accused of capital murder in the death of her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee. If convicted of murder, she faces the death penalty.

What's the big draw?
 ::snipping2::

The big draw is justice for Caylee  ::MonkeyAngel::


Yep.... ::justice2NJ::


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 09:36:35 PM
Here is an interesting link
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/lawyer-of-the-day-jose-baez/#disqus_thread (http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/lawyer-of-the-day-jose-baez/#disqus_thread)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Thunder_Sis on June 12, 2011, 09:39:16 PM
I've been on vacation for the past 9 days and won't ever get caught up. What day did Dr G testify? TIA


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 09:40:26 PM


I am not so sure any defense attorney could do a whole lot better than Baez. Unless, maybe they would not need so much guidance from the Judge, maybe they would have urged Casey to take a plea bargain to avoid the DP and not played along with her BS to advance their career, maybe they would not make such a fool out of themselves and repeatedly showed their stupidity and not gotten so publicly physical with their client. Considering the facts of the case, I'd say Casey has the defense she deserves, and the Judge too who is ensuring she gets the fairest trial she can under the circumstances.



I agree he doesn't have alot to work with but he shot himself in the foot be going overboard in his OS.  He should have just said it was an accident instead of throwing in George took the body & it somehow ended up with Kronk who stored it until he could hide it at just the right time to get the reward money.  Good grief.  If he would have said accident, Post traumatic stress etc he may have at least saved her life.  Now?  not so much!

I agree. But he seems to be keying in on the duct tape and he is going to say only George had it and he got rid of roll.  Hence why he kept asking the CSI guy today about after all their searching in Dec. NO DUCT TAPE was found.  Maybe he gave it to Kronk to but on sweet little Caylee and Kronk got rid of it.

Do anyone remember, or have a theory as to how many days Casey actually drove that car with the stench of her child's decomposing body? I was just wondering about that.


The duct tape was used where they set up their tents for donations. There are a lot of pictures of it on the posters there.

My theory is KC threw the gas cans out of the trunk before George got out to the driveway and closed the trunk because the baby was in the garbage bags that day (24th) and because she was so pissed off at George (here are your f*cking cans) she took off down the street and threw the baby in the woods where she buried her pets. I think she pulled over to the side of that road, got out grabbed the bag took it a few feet into those woods and put it pretty much where it ended up.. By that time it would not have weighed 10 lbs if that and she could have put it where they found it and throw that log over it. She might have walked father into the woods, but I don't think so. When the hurricane came it floated the log and the bag was exposed.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 09:40:43 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ch 9 in Orlando cant stand Bobo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3biA-4wy24&feature=player_embedded#at=21 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3biA-4wy24&feature=player_embedded#at=21)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: theboyzmom on June 12, 2011, 09:41:12 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::

My 18 year old does too. I find it strange but it is normal for them.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 09:43:20 PM
I've been on vacation for the past 9 days and won't ever get caught up. What day did Dr G testify? TIA
If you see any testimony, see Dr G, Dr Vass and Dr Haskell
Start by looking here
http://www.wftv.com/index.html (http://www.wftv.com/index.html)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 09:44:54 PM
I've been on vacation for the past 9 days and won't ever get caught up. What day did Dr G testify? TIA
If you see any testimony, see Dr G, Dr Vass and Dr Haskell
Start by looking here
http://www.wftv.com/index.html (http://www.wftv.com/index.html)
Dr G was day 26..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
I am watching Jeanine Pirro.. Rod Wheeler is pasting this Jennifer stoopid from the defense... I hate when people opine who know nothing about this case or people who lie. This skank is still saying George dumped Caylee's body and then Kronk redumped it. If this wasnt so sad I would be laughing my ass off..
here comes Tonya Reiman....body languadge expert who is usually on with OReilly.. She is really on target


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 09:53:26 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....

I really did not think about that but we do that all the time here. I call or text the kids for dinner on their cells, they call me from upstairs to keep from having to walk downstairs. Most people don't do that though as they don't have unlimited everything on their phones and it costs money to do that. I don't think I had unlimited in 2008 although we had 8,000 minutes for our family. I saw the bill last month where we used over 25,000 minutes - I am grateful for unlimited or my bill would be like KC's was. LOL

I still think she was at Lee's or that vacant house and came home after that call.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: cubbeegirl on June 12, 2011, 10:09:40 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....

I really did not think about that but we do that all the time here. I call or text the kids for dinner on their cells, they call me from upstairs to keep from having to walk downstairs. Most people don't do that though as they don't have unlimited everything on their phones and it costs money to do that. I don't think I had unlimited in 2008 although we had 8,000 minutes for our family. I saw the bill last month where we used over 25,000 minutes - I am grateful for unlimited or my bill would be like KC's was. LOL

I still think she was at Lee's or that vacant house and came home after that call.


I have been thinking the vacant house as well...and yes, thank God for unlimited ....btw...does it amaze you how many texts you use each month???LOL


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 10:17:44 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....

I really did not think about that but we do that all the time here. I call or text the kids for dinner on their cells, they call me from upstairs to keep from having to walk downstairs. Most people don't do that though as they don't have unlimited everything on their phones and it costs money to do that. I don't think I had unlimited in 2008 although we had 8,000 minutes for our family. I saw the bill last month where we used over 25,000 minutes - I am grateful for unlimited or my bill would be like KC's was. LOL

I still think she was at Lee's or that vacant house and came home after that call.


I have been thinking the vacant house as well...and yes, thank God for unlimited ....btw...does it amaze you how many texts you use each month???LOL

I have been stuck on that vacant house since before Caylee was found. Someone said LE checked with the neighbors and they had not seen anyone, but the neighbors on one side of it did not even live there when all this was going down between March and July. When one of the bloggers went there the house next door was empty too, so she could have going in on that side without anyone seeing her. What made me very suspicious was there were toys on that back patio and toys inside that glass door and many of them were new looking. In one picture there was a box of pampers or some kind of pull ups that was being used it looked like for small toys. I can't imagine people moving out and leaving their "new" toys at the house. That was also the SAME house D. Casey was poking around in the side beds and opening the garbage bags. Now HOW would he know of all the vacant houses in that area to pick that one house?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 10:26:07 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....

I really did not think about that but we do that all the time here. I call or text the kids for dinner on their cells, they call me from upstairs to keep from having to walk downstairs. Most people don't do that though as they don't have unlimited everything on their phones and it costs money to do that. I don't think I had unlimited in 2008 although we had 8,000 minutes for our family. I saw the bill last month where we used over 25,000 minutes - I am grateful for unlimited or my bill would be like KC's was. LOL

I still think she was at Lee's or that vacant house and came home after that call.
?

I have been thinking the vacant house as well...and yes, thank God for unlimited ....btw...does it amaze you how many texts you use each month???LOL

I have been stuck on that vacant house since before Caylee was found. Someone said LE checked with the neighbors and they had not seen anyone, but the neighbors on one side of it did not even live there when all this was going down between March and July. When one of the bloggers went there the house next door was empty too, so she could have going in on that side without anyone seeing her. What made me very suspicious was there were toys on that back patio and toys inside that glass door and many of them were new looking. In one picture there was a box of pampers or some kind of pull ups that was being used it looked like for small toys. I can't imagine people moving out and leaving their "new" toys at the house. That was also the SAME house D. Casey was poking around in the side beds and opening the garbage bags. Now HOW would he know of all the vacant houses in that area to pick that one house?
I dont think anyone would be able to stay in a vacant house in the stifling heat without AC .. especially when your body accommodates to AC from living here. That house from May to September would be hot as an oven. The empty house is not a realistic option... maybe Lee's.. but if she was avoiding the family for the 31 days, why would she go there without the baby and face his questions.. no, she avoided them all


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 12, 2011, 10:34:24 PM
George told Jesse that she had some mental problems long before Caylee was killed. It was the night Jesse called the ambulance for her having the seizures at his house. I still think meth, but so far that medical report has not been released. Maybe it will when he testifies.

Oh my, I wasn't aware of that.  So are we to assume that George knew his daughter was demented and he did nothing to get her help?  Even worse, he never tried to gain custody as he should have?   Sad.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Aurelia7 on June 12, 2011, 10:41:02 PM
You guys are falling right into Bozo and Casey's hands, creating reasonable doubt.  There is absolutely NO comparison to the OJ case and if the OJ had been done today he would have been convicted.  DNA evidence was "new" back then. 


 ::rhino:: there is no reasonable doubt in this case at all. the jury are instructed to not leave their common sense at the door

There shouldn't be, but there might be, based on this:

(BBM)
None of us know exactly how, when, where or using what measures Casey murdered Caylee.

We know she is responsible.

We know duct tape was involved.

We know choloform was in the trunk air in ridiculous levels.

We know Caylee's body was in the trunk.

We know the little body was found in the woods on Suburban DR after being there for many months.


Despite not having a smoking gun, I think the prosecution is doing an amazing job and I feel confident that the jury will convict.  They'd have to be idiots not to!  So what if the evidence is circumstantial?  Everything points to CA.  EVERYTHING.  And what's sickening to watch that "hopeful" look CA occasionally gets on her face, like she seriously thinks she may get away with what she did.  Sorry, girl...you're going to have to pay.

None of the things I listed point to reasonable doubt to me at all...

Sorry...I didn't mean to imply that they did.  The point I was trying to make regarding "reasonable doubt" was this statement:

None of us know exactly how, when, where or using what measures Casey murdered Caylee.

I do believe and pray that the jury will not care about that.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 10:42:26 PM
I have moved all the Higherhopes posts and comments to the Break Room thread.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: higherhopes on June 12, 2011, 10:44:26 PM
I have moved all the Higherhopes posts and comments to the Break Room thread.
where is that please..


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Puzzler on June 12, 2011, 10:45:12 PM
I've been on vacation for the past 9 days and won't ever get caught up. What day did Dr G testify? TIA

Thunder,

Go to this link - it SM's link for all the trial videos - they're all there:
Quick overview - listen to the Bill Sheaffer's overview of each day - quickly gives you the highpoints
Then, all the videos of the day's events on the witness stand:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9832.0



Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 12, 2011, 10:45:58 PM
I have moved all the Higherhopes posts and comments to the Break Room thread.
where is that please..

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9923.msg1390469#new


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: MuffyBee on June 12, 2011, 10:49:51 PM
I have moved all the Higherhopes posts and comments to the Break Room thread.
where is that please..

All OT in the Murder Trial Thread goes here: Murder Trial- Break Room (http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9923.0)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 10:53:19 PM
I've been on vacation for the past 9 days and won't ever get caught up. What day did Dr G testify? TIA

Thunder,

Go to this link - it SM's link for all the trial videos - they're all there:
Quick overview - listen to the Bill Sheaffer's overview of each day - quickly gives you the highpoints
Then, all the videos of the day's events on the witness stand:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9832.0


Holy duct tape batman.. I didnt even know that was there! Dr G was day 26..
also magiceyes has been doing a great job of typing a synopsis of the days testimony.. I believe she has her own thread


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Thunder_Sis on June 12, 2011, 11:04:58 PM
Thanks all!! I'm hearing the Anthony case just like the jurors are since I didn't start following it until the trial started.
Justice for Caylee and Hailey!!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 12, 2011, 11:07:57 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....

I really did not think about that but we do that all the time here. I call or text the kids for dinner on their cells, they call me from upstairs to keep from having to walk downstairs. Most people don't do that though as they don't have unlimited everything on their phones and it costs money to do that. I don't think I had unlimited in 2008 although we had 8,000 minutes for our family. I saw the bill last month where we used over 25,000 minutes - I am grateful for unlimited or my bill would be like KC's was. LOL

I still think she was at Lee's or that vacant house and came home after that call.
?

I have been thinking the vacant house as well...and yes, thank God for unlimited ....btw...does it amaze you how many texts you use each month???LOL

I have been stuck on that vacant house since before Caylee was found. Someone said LE checked with the neighbors and they had not seen anyone, but the neighbors on one side of it did not even live there when all this was going down between March and July. When one of the bloggers went there the house next door was empty too, so she could have going in on that side without anyone seeing her. What made me very suspicious was there were toys on that back patio and toys inside that glass door and many of them were new looking. In one picture there was a box of pampers or some kind of pull ups that was being used it looked like for small toys. I can't imagine people moving out and leaving their "new" toys at the house. That was also the SAME house D. Casey was poking around in the side beds and opening the garbage bags. Now HOW would he know of all the vacant houses in that area to pick that one house?
I dont think anyone would be able to stay in a vacant house in the stifling heat without AC .. especially when your body accommodates to AC from living here. That house from May to September would be hot as an oven. The empty house is not a realistic option... maybe Lee's.. but if she was avoiding the family for the 31 days, why would she go there without the baby and face his questions.. no, she avoided them all

It is not that bad in the early summer heat wise. I lived on Merritt Island (45 minutes from there) I usually did not turn on my air until about June and remember if I am correct she would be leaving the house about the time in the afternoon it gets hot to go to her parents house when George left. Lee was out of town on the 15th so she could have gone there for that night as his roommate had already moved out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 11:19:17 PM
My kids will text or IM me from their rooms all the time..I thought it was wierd when the first started doing it... but teens are their own species  ::MonkeyTongue::


I know, right?We have iphones with face time and my son will face time me from his room....weird....

I really did not think about that but we do that all the time here. I call or text the kids for dinner on their cells, they call me from upstairs to keep from having to walk downstairs. Most people don't do that though as they don't have unlimited everything on their phones and it costs money to do that. I don't think I had unlimited in 2008 although we had 8,000 minutes for our family. I saw the bill last month where we used over 25,000 minutes - I am grateful for unlimited or my bill would be like KC's was. LOL

I still think she was at Lee's or that vacant house and came home after that call.
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I have been thinking the vacant house as well...and yes, thank God for unlimited ....btw...does it amaze you how many texts you use each month???LOL

I have been stuck on that vacant house since before Caylee was found. Someone said LE checked with the neighbors and they had not seen anyone, but the neighbors on one side of it did not even live there when all this was going down between March and July. When one of the bloggers went there the house next door was empty too, so she could have going in on that side without anyone seeing her. What made me very suspicious was there were toys on that back patio and toys inside that glass door and many of them were new looking. In one picture there was a box of pampers or some kind of pull ups that was being used it looked like for small toys. I can't imagine people moving out and leaving their "new" toys at the house. That was also the SAME house D. Casey was poking around in the side beds and opening the garbage bags. Now HOW would he know of all the vacant houses in that area to pick that one house?
I dont think anyone would be able to stay in a vacant house in the stifling heat without AC .. especially when your body accommodates to AC from living here. That house from May to September would be hot as an oven. The empty house is not a realistic option... maybe Lee's.. but if she was avoiding the family for the 31 days, why would she go there without the baby and face his questions.. no, she avoided them all

It is not that bad in the early summer heat wise. I lived on Merritt Island (45 minutes from there) I usually did not turn on my air until about June and remember if I am correct she would be leaving the house about the time in the afternoon it gets hot to go to her parents house when George left. Lee was out of town on the 15th so she could have gone there for that night as his roommate had already moved out.
I live here. they are inland, not on Merrit Island. I respectfully disagree


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Blumonkey on June 12, 2011, 11:23:48 PM

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

Turbo..all due respect, but I don't believe one person can make another person tell them anything they don't want to say..short of torture or threatening their life.  We aren't talking about Casey being a normal person ..we are talking about a very cunning lying sociopath who short of being throttled by her family or the cops was not going to..and even until this day with the DP staring her in the face..still has not told the truth.

When Casey first was released from jail George started to go at her and was held back by his friend from Ohio.  It has been stated by you, that Cindy went after Casey the night of the 15th.  Once  LE were called, either of her parents laying a finger on her would have been grounds for their arrest for battery and assualt.  And personally..she would have loved that..and still would not have told the truth.

And can someone kindly point out to me how anything GA and CA said stopped LE from getting the truth out of Casey?  

Do you honestly believe that George and Cindy were in on this somehow and knew what Casey had done and where Caylee was from the beginning/  Because unless you do the fact of anything they said having anything to do with finding Caylee makes no sense.


I don't believe they knew where she was, but they knew she was what they smelled in that car. They KNEW to call the police when they smelled that car. Instead they "hid" it in their garage. Does that make any sense to you? Put a car the reeked of decomp inside your garage? They said they took the battery out of it to keep KC from taking it, why not do that OUTSIDE? If they really didn't know it was decomp they would have left it outside to air out, not put it in their garage where they could HIDE what they took out of it and clean it all out without any of the neighbors seeing them do it. What were they hiding? Did they think KC killed someone else? I never have figured out what Lee meant when he said "is this like the last time?"

They knew they had a daughter who lied every time her mouth moved but yet Cindy asks her "What have you done?" like she would tell her the truth. Then Cindy says BEFORE anything has been said about a kidnapping "Who took her?"

Grab this scenario - when the police arrive Cindy & George tell them the truth about there was no zanny and not make up lies that they had phone books with her numbers - they knew there wasn't they had never seen her or talked to her. George knew KC wasn't working so why not tell that? He said that in his depo.  Why not tel theml KC lied about everything so they should not allow her to leave until she told them the truth? Why not tell them the blankets were gone off Caylee's bed and so was other things from the house. Why not George tell the truth about the last time he saw them which most likely was days before. Why lie about seeing them the 16th when they were calling KC from their house at 7:45 in the morning?  Why all the lies and the anger at people when they asked questions about KC on TV? Why not just say she is a lying witch and we don't know what to believe because all that is out there now. Did they really think they could get her off from killing Caylee? Why even try to bond her out of jail? Mine would have sat there if the bond was 100.00. WHY in the world let her come to their house and take over while out on bond? NO ONE confronted her about where Caylee was according to all the witnesses. When send the police on wild goose chases insinuating other people like Jesse did it? Why give LE the wrong toothbrush and hairbrush and then laugh about it? A DEAD CAYLEE WAS NO LAUGHING MATTER, but did Cindy really want her found - H*ll no............they wanted to continue to run their scams and buy bass boats instead of hunting her.

If I were Cindy I would have acquired some thiopental sodium from my office and used it on KC to find out where my granddaughter was "IF" I really believed she was missing.

I just see them as willing participants in the whole thing because they were collecting thousands of dollars in money and gifts and instead of telling the truth they continued the LIES to not only LE but to the nation on national TV to cover for KC and promote their foundation which they used for income. Cindy no more needs to be on disability than I do, but she is claiming disability and WE THE TAXPAYERS are paying it for her just like we are paying for this stupid farce of a trial. I hope their few minutes of face time on TV to promote themselves will be the end of them when this trial is over, but I am sure they will figure out another scheme to make BLOOD MONEY off that poor baby. The need to both be locked up in a mental ward for the rest of their lives for the damage they have done to many people in this because if they are not just mean, they are definitely MENTAL.
Do you really believe that Cindy had access to sodium pentothal in her office, a home health care business? Her job consisted of scheduling nurses, nursing assistants, physical therapists, etc. to care for patients in their homes. I doubt she had access to anything stronger than Tylenol as these companies do not store or dispense medications.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: flamom on June 12, 2011, 11:26:28 PM

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

Turbo..all due respect, but I don't believe one person can make another person tell them anything they don't want to say..short of torture or threatening their life.  We aren't talking about Casey being a normal person ..we are talking about a very cunning lying sociopath who short of being throttled by her family or the cops was not going to..and even until this day with the DP staring her in the face..still has not told the truth.

When Casey first was released from jail George started to go at her and was held back by his friend from Ohio.  It has been stated by you, that Cindy went after Casey the night of the 15th.  Once  LE were called, either of her parents laying a finger on her would have been grounds for their arrest for battery and assualt.  And personally..she would have loved that..and still would not have told the truth.

And can someone kindly point out to me how anything GA and CA said stopped LE from getting the truth out of Casey?  

Do you honestly believe that George and Cindy were in on this somehow and knew what Casey had done and where Caylee was from the beginning/  Because unless you do the fact of anything they said having anything to do with finding Caylee makes no sense.


I don't believe they knew where she was, but they knew she was what they smelled in that car. They KNEW to call the police when they smelled that car. Instead they "hid" it in their garage. Does that make any sense to you? Put a car the reeked of decomp inside your garage? They said they took the battery out of it to keep KC from taking it, why not do that OUTSIDE? If they really didn't know it was decomp they would have left it outside to air out, not put it in their garage where they could HIDE what they took out of it and clean it all out without any of the neighbors seeing them do it. What were they hiding? Did they think KC killed someone else? I never have figured out what Lee meant when he said "is this like the last time?"

They knew they had a daughter who lied every time her mouth moved but yet Cindy asks her "What have you done?" like she would tell her the truth. Then Cindy says BEFORE anything has been said about a kidnapping "Who took her?"

Grab this scenario - when the police arrive Cindy & George tell them the truth about there was no zanny and not make up lies that they had phone books with her numbers - they knew there wasn't they had never seen her or talked to her. George knew KC wasn't working so why not tell that? He said that in his depo.  Why not tel theml KC lied about everything so they should not allow her to leave until she told them the truth? Why not tell them the blankets were gone off Caylee's bed and so was other things from the house. Why not George tell the truth about the last time he saw them which most likely was days before. Why lie about seeing them the 16th when they were calling KC from their house at 7:45 in the morning?  Why all the lies and the anger at people when they asked questions about KC on TV? Why not just say she is a lying witch and we don't know what to believe because all that is out there now. Did they really think they could get her off from killing Caylee? Why even try to bond her out of jail? Mine would have sat there if the bond was 100.00. WHY in the world let her come to their house and take over while out on bond? NO ONE confronted her about where Caylee was according to all the witnesses. When send the police on wild goose chases insinuating other people like Jesse did it? Why give LE the wrong toothbrush and hairbrush and then laugh about it? A DEAD CAYLEE WAS NO LAUGHING MATTER, but did Cindy really want her found - H*ll no............they wanted to continue to run their scams and buy bass boats instead of hunting her.

If I were Cindy I would have acquired some thiopental sodium from my office and used it on KC to find out where my granddaughter was "IF" I really believed she was missing.

I just see them as willing participants in the whole thing because they were collecting thousands of dollars in money and gifts and instead of telling the truth they continued the LIES to not only LE but to the nation on national TV to cover for KC and promote their foundation which they used for income. Cindy no more needs to be on disability than I do, but she is claiming disability and WE THE TAXPAYERS are paying it for her just like we are paying for this stupid farce of a trial. I hope their few minutes of face time on TV to promote themselves will be the end of them when this trial is over, but I am sure they will figure out another scheme to make BLOOD MONEY off that poor baby. The need to both be locked up in a mental ward for the rest of their lives for the damage they have done to many people in this because if they are not just mean, they are definitely MENTAL.
Do you really believe that Cindy had access to sodium pentothal in her office, a home health care business? Her job consisted of scheduling nurses, nursing assistants, physical therapists, etc. to care for patients in their homes. I doubt she had access to anything stronger than Tylenol as these companies do not store or dispense medications.
::MonkeyHaHa::  It is time for me to turn in.. Goodnight Monkeys


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 12, 2011, 11:41:37 PM
Nite, Flamom!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: beth1970 on June 12, 2011, 11:43:56 PM

I have NO sympathy for them because if they had told the exact truth in the beginning they might have found that baby and KNOWN how KC killed her. Instead they let her come home and take back over their house never ONCE trying to make her tell them. The ONLY reason someone would not make her tell would be because they ALREADY KNEW.

Turbo..all due respect, but I don't believe one person can make another person tell them anything they don't want to say..short of torture or threatening their life.  We aren't talking about Casey being a normal person ..we are talking about a very cunning lying sociopath who short of being throttled by her family or the cops was not going to..and even until this day with the DP staring her in the face..still has not told the truth.

When Casey first was released from jail George started to go at her and was held back by his friend from Ohio.  It has been stated by you, that Cindy went after Casey the night of the 15th.  Once  LE were called, either of her parents laying a finger on her would have been grounds for their arrest for battery and assualt.  And personally..she would have loved that..and still would not have told the truth.

And can someone kindly point out to me how anything GA and CA said stopped LE from getting the truth out of Casey?  

Do you honestly believe that George and Cindy were in on this somehow and knew what Casey had done and where Caylee was from the beginning/  Because unless you do the fact of anything they said having anything to do with finding Caylee makes no sense.


I don't believe they knew where she was, but they knew she was what they smelled in that car. They KNEW to call the police when they smelled that car. Instead they "hid" it in their garage. Does that make any sense to you? Put a car the reeked of decomp inside your garage? They said they took the battery out of it to keep KC from taking it, why not do that OUTSIDE? If they really didn't know it was decomp they would have left it outside to air out, not put it in their garage where they could HIDE what they took out of it and clean it all out without any of the neighbors seeing them do it. What were they hiding? Did they think KC killed someone else? I never have figured out what Lee meant when he said "is this like the last time?"

They knew they had a daughter who lied every time her mouth moved but yet Cindy asks her "What have you done?" like she would tell her the truth. Then Cindy says BEFORE anything has been said about a kidnapping "Who took her?"

Grab this scenario - when the police arrive Cindy & George tell them the truth about there was no zanny and not make up lies that they had phone books with her numbers - they knew there wasn't they had never seen her or talked to her. George knew KC wasn't working so why not tell that? He said that in his depo.  Why not tel theml KC lied about everything so they should not allow her to leave until she told them the truth? Why not tell them the blankets were gone off Caylee's bed and so was other things from the house. Why not George tell the truth about the last time he saw them which most likely was days before. Why lie about seeing them the 16th when they were calling KC from their house at 7:45 in the morning?  Why all the lies and the anger at people when they asked questions about KC on TV? Why not just say she is a lying witch and we don't know what to believe because all that is out there now. Did they really think they could get her off from killing Caylee? Why even try to bond her out of jail? Mine would have sat there if the bond was 100.00. WHY in the world let her come to their house and take over while out on bond? NO ONE confronted her about where Caylee was according to all the witnesses. When send the police on wild goose chases insinuating other people like Jesse did it? Why give LE the wrong toothbrush and hairbrush and then laugh about it? A DEAD CAYLEE WAS NO LAUGHING MATTER, but did Cindy really want her found - H*ll no............they wanted to continue to run their scams and buy bass boats instead of hunting her.

If I were Cindy I would have acquired some thiopental sodium from my office and used it on KC to find out where my granddaughter was "IF" I really believed she was missing.

I just see them as willing participants in the whole thing because they were collecting thousands of dollars in money and gifts and instead of telling the truth they continued the LIES to not only LE but to the nation on national TV to cover for KC and promote their foundation which they used for income. Cindy no more needs to be on disability than I do, but she is claiming disability and WE THE TAXPAYERS are paying it for her just like we are paying for this stupid farce of a trial. I hope their few minutes of face time on TV to promote themselves will be the end of them when this trial is over, but I am sure they will figure out another scheme to make BLOOD MONEY off that poor baby. The need to both be locked up in a mental ward for the rest of their lives for the damage they have done to many people in this because if they are not just mean, they are definitely MENTAL.

Whatever happened with the “Never Lose Hope Foundation” ?  Weren't they supposed to run it that's why they were given the $30,000 boat & atv's?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: StarMonkey on June 12, 2011, 11:53:04 PM
I have been trying to find anywhere in Roy Houses testimony<tonys former roommate, to see if he was asked about seeing Caylee on June 13 at Fusion. He said it on his written statement
Forgive me if I missed it? I just didn't hear it?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4884388/Casey-Anthony-Roy-Clinton-House-written-statement
      


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 13, 2011, 12:27:09 AM

Do you really believe that Cindy had access to sodium pentothal in her office, a home health care business? Her job consisted of scheduling nurses, nursing assistants, physical therapists, etc. to care for patients in their homes. I doubt she had access to anything stronger than Tylenol as these companies do not store or dispense medications.


I was sort of making a joke, but it can be bought. Here the home health care nurses do dispense medications and the detail men come by the offices and leave a lot of drugs for the doctors there. Most of the better home health care agencies also do hospice where they would have access to many meds.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Green Eyes on June 13, 2011, 12:32:01 AM

Do you really believe that Cindy had access to sodium pentothal in her office, a home health care business? Her job consisted of scheduling nurses, nursing assistants, physical therapists, etc. to care for patients in their homes. I doubt she had access to anything stronger than Tylenol as these companies do not store or dispense medications.


I was sort of making a joke, but it can be bought. Here the home health care nurses do dispense medications and the detail men come by the offices and leave a lot of drugs for the doctors there. Most of the better home health care agencies also do hospice where they would have access to many meds.

Sort of like wishing she could be water boarded to get her to tell where Caylee was.  Wishful thinking I know.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 13, 2011, 12:41:28 AM

Whatever happened with the “Never Lose Hope Foundation” ?  Weren't they supposed to run it that's why they were given the $30,000 boat & atv's?

As I best remember that was all some kind of train wreck. When I researched them at the time they had no non-profit status with the feds or the state. I would have to look it all up again as my computer crashed, but somehow they were all interconnected with that Kid Finder's bunch and none of them had a non profit license. Many of the same people were listed at the addresses of the principals listed. It was the house of Milstead's that he and his wife were foreclosed on in 08, I think.  It was very convoluted and many of the same people were connected to that house those con's from Kid Finders owned that was foreclosed on.

I found where Never Lose Hope Foundation, Inc. claimed to be a  501C3 and claimed it was pending from 2007 but had secured fiscal sponsorship from Citylinks 4Charities, Inc., a nonprofit organization based in Orlando, Florida. After talking to Citylinks4 Charities they had NO ASSOCIATION with that group.

Dennis Milstead runs the so-called Kid Finders Network, but Eyewitness News uncovered serious problems with his criminal past and his not-for profit group, including the fact Kid Finders has never found anybody.

The president of Crime Stoppers in south Florida had a restraining order against Milstead after he allegedly tried to connive a 90-percent cut of any donations he solicited for the group. At the time, Milstead was operating a business called Gotcha Billboards, but he was reportedly representing himself as an employee of the non-profit Crime Stoppers.

West Palm Beach police say he flashed phony blue lights and claimed he was a law enforcement officer. He plead his felony down to a misdemeanor and seven months later another arrest for assault.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18001297/detail.html


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 13, 2011, 12:42:52 AM

Do you really believe that Cindy had access to sodium pentothal in her office, a home health care business? Her job consisted of scheduling nurses, nursing assistants, physical therapists, etc. to care for patients in their homes. I doubt she had access to anything stronger than Tylenol as these companies do not store or dispense medications.


I was sort of making a joke, but it can be bought. Here the home health care nurses do dispense medications and the detail men come by the offices and leave a lot of drugs for the doctors there. Most of the better home health care agencies also do hospice where they would have access to many meds.

Sort of like wishing she could be water boarded to get her to tell where Caylee was.  Wishful thinking I know.

That would work for me too.............


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: TURBOTHINK on June 13, 2011, 12:51:48 AM
George told Jesse that she had some mental problems long before Caylee was killed. It was the night Jesse called the ambulance for her having the seizures at his house. I still think meth, but so far that medical report has not been released. Maybe it will when he testifies.

Oh my, I wasn't aware of that.  So are we to assume that George knew his daughter was demented and he did nothing to get her help?  Even worse, he never tried to gain custody as he should have?   Sad.

I don't know if it is in this interview with Jesse or another one, but yes, that evidently is what happened.

http://humbleopinion.net76.net/interviews/jesse%20grund%20july%2023.pdf


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 13, 2011, 01:09:39 AM
**SNIPPED**

I have always felt that George was LYING about seeing them both that morning. I have always believed she killed Caylee that night after she left the house angry with Cindy. How she covered that up with George I don't know. She could have told him she already took her to the nanny, or carried her out in that laundry bag. I really can't think of any other reason to use a laundry bag to put her in except to cover up what was in it.
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Evening, monks! TURBO, I've thought it odd too that after a reportedly major emotional and physical confrontation with Cindy on June 15th., that Casey would just go to her bedroom and go to bed.  Your post got me thinking. What if Casey took Caylee and left, chloroformed her in the back of the car, snuck into the shed for the duct tape, and taped her that night?  We don't know for a fact that she stayed in the Anthony home that night.  What if she didn't come back until the next morning, saying Caylee had spent the night with Zanny?  What if she quickly breezed in to "get a few things" (like "work" clothes, Caylee's bag of clothes, Caylee's blanket, etc.). Perhaps she never saw George at all that day.  Anything's possible with her. Then by July 16th, the Anthonys went into cover-up mode because the reality was too real for them to deal with.  Not excusing them, mind you.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Anna on June 13, 2011, 01:27:18 AM
Let's not forget about this SM discovery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyPyLnhudE&feature=related

I sure hope the Prosecution knows about this.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Anna on June 13, 2011, 01:31:24 AM
I have a friend who is a supervisor at a tape factory in Illinois and whenever he would come to visit us, he always brought us a huge box of various tapes.  We never had to buy tape, lol.  So I think they may have had several rolls of that particular no longer manufactured brand.

I seem to remember a roll of tape being in the car Casey was driving along with Amy's checks.  Was that just a rumor? 

So many little details don't seem to be important or true or at least the Prosecution is not bringing them out in court.  This was mentioned long before the tape became an issue.  Does anyone else remember anything about this or was it not true?


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: klaasend on June 13, 2011, 01:33:43 AM
Let's not forget about this SM discovery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyPyLnhudE&feature=related

I sure hope the Prosecution knows about this.

Thanks Anna - Yes I sure hope they looked into it!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/)


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Anna on June 13, 2011, 01:50:36 AM
Let's not forget about this SM discovery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyPyLnhudE&feature=related

I sure hope the Prosecution knows about this.

Thanks Anna - Yes I sure hope they looked into it!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/)


Well, I was really impressed when you guys found that and I am convinced that she was trying to get the message to Lee.  The DA should at least have that info.  Sure hope they do.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Monkey King on June 13, 2011, 02:05:06 AM
Let's not forget about this SM discovery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyPyLnhudE&feature=related

I sure hope the Prosecution knows about this.

Thanks Anna - Yes I sure hope they looked into it!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/)
WOW, just WOW!

Very interesting.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Shell on June 13, 2011, 02:06:38 AM
I think the prosecution is well aware that George and Cindy have twisted the truth during this whole ordeal but their testimony (imho) is critical and so rather than call them out on some of the inconsistencies, they are using the important testimony (i.e. dead body smell, all the lies, etc).  At the end of this trial, it doesn't much matter to the jury whether Caylee died on the 15th or the 16th. 
In other words, I think the known facts are strong enough to overcome the unknown facts.

Your right.
The cloths that Caylee wore doing the visit wasn't what she wore on Monday 6-16-08.
George had to of seen both kc and Caylee Monday.
Either kc was carrying Caylee or both walked.

http://wn.com/Caylee_Marie_Anthony_Reads_a_Book__Nursing_Home_Visit



 ::MonkeyBike::

Just my opinion but I think the morning of the 16th happened just as George said it did. He saw and talked to a live Caylee. I am not aware of any part of his recollection changing.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: ISpy on June 13, 2011, 02:10:55 AM
well, time to hit the hay!  Take good care everybody.  I've got a busy week coming up, so I'll be playing quite a bit of catch up.  TIA (thanks in advance) to all of you for the videos, commentary, screen shots, and follow-up! I appreciate it. 'Nite all!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11/2011
Post by: Praying4Angels on June 13, 2011, 03:29:06 AM
::HelloKitty::  Good Morning Monkeys!

I have to agree with Klaas in that some are feeding into the DT's theory.  We all know that it came from bloggers anyway.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I was looking around photobucket for the brackets that also had Henkle Duct tape on them.  I don't understand why this was not brought up during testimony, only the gas can, when there is a photo of both!

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/gascanbracketswithducttape.jpg)

Also, as Klaas stated, there is new Winnie the Pooh bedding that appeared after Caylee was gone, even tho Cindy admitted that a blanket was missing.  Here's a more recent photo of Caylee with the original WTP blanket.
   
(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/CayleeWTPblanket.jpg)
I'm not sure if this has been pointed out previously or not but I keep seeing it mentioned since we just saw the blanket in evidence pics...
That winnie the pooh blanket is just that-- a blanket...not a comforter that is part of a crib sheet set...Its part of the Target winnie the pooh line they had in 2005...I know this bcuz my daughter who was born in Nov 2005 recieved it as part of her shower gifts in Sept of 2005...and when I saw images of it it broke my heart bcuz my daughter was still draggin it around at the time..it is a fleece type material...no edging except for yarn type stitching that seals the edges to keep it from fraying and giving it a somewhat finished look..
Now, i know Cindy has purchased a new crib set (not exactly the same pattern) bcuz the one originally on Caylee's bed in early photos is not the one that was shown in the interviews on Greta, People mag, etc...why? Not sure if its bcuz something was amiss with THAT comforter set as well or if she simply replaced it to make Casey look innocent on all the news shows and interviews she did...making Caylee's room look complete...
I am almost positive I have a pic of either my daughter or my son with that blanket and i know we still have it here and i can hunt it down and take a pic...but i know that is where it came from cuz it has been one of the eerie connections i have felt with this case from the beginning...HTH


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: BooMonkey on June 13, 2011, 07:37:56 AM
Let's not forget about this SM discovery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyPyLnhudE&feature=related

I sure hope the Prosecution knows about this.

Thanks Anna - Yes I sure hope they looked into it!

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/ (http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/10/could-zenaida-gonzalez-have-been-code-for-caylee-anthonys-location-and-not-just-a-nannys-name/)

I spoke to a person at Morgan's firm about this, I know they checked it out.


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Puzzler on June 13, 2011, 07:38:55 AM
Good morning, monkeys.

Tatto man today!


Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 13, 2011, 07:51:26 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-trial-day-17-20110613,0,1230054.story
Casey Anthony trial: More forensic evidence, testimony expected today
By Walter Pacheco, Orlando Sentinel
7:20 a.m. EDT, June 13, 2011

The state will continue to build its case against accused child killer Casey Anthony this morning following a witness's weekend testimony that insects had fed on human decomposition in her car.

Neal Haskell, an expert in forensic entomology from Saint Joseph's College in Indiana, testified Saturday that flies and fly larvae found in materials collected from Casey Anthony's car trunk were signs that a decomposing body had been there.

Haskell said fluids from a body that probably spent three to five days in the car attracted the insects.

Flies were among the trash, including paper towels, left in the vehicle.
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: trimmonthelake on June 13, 2011, 07:55:39 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/28216441/detail.html
Day 28, More Forensic Evidence Expected In Casey Trial
Posted: 5:50 am EDT June 13, 2011Updated: 7:45 am EDT June 13, 2011

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Day 28 of Casey Anthony's murder trial continues on Monday and this week, the prosecution is expected to wrap up its case before the defense begins to present its side.
Monday marks day 28, including jury selection, in Casey's murder trial.
But before the prosecution rests, more experts are expected to testify, specifically a scientist specializing in plant growth, to help establish the time-line of when Caylee’s body was dumped in the woods.
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This week, the prosecution is expected to call a botanist, Dr. David Hall, to testify.

“Through his science of botany, he will be able to say that the root growth occurs at this rate and therefore the body was in the woods along with the blanket and the other items probably back in June, early July,” said Sheaffer.

Sheaffer said that will underscore the testimony of other state experts who say the evidence they examined and analyzed, including bugs at the scene and the condition and position of Caylee's remains.

Prosecutors believe Casey suffocated Caylee with duct tape. The defense contends the toddler drowned in her grandparents' swimming pool, and that Casey's father, George Anthony, bullied her into a cover up, partly because he had sexually and verbally abused her since she was a child.
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Title: Re: Caylee Marie Anthony- MURDER TRIAL- DAY 16 - 6/11 - 6/12/2011
Post by: Nut44x4 on June 13, 2011, 07:55:58 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/MODLOCK1.gif)

 Day 17


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